Soul in Unit 00, the children and their mothers...
ec8or
already been talked about, i just wathed death : rebirth and end of
evangelion yesterday and have some thoughts i want to share:
I was reading the FAQ at http://faq.pen3.cjb.net/ and saw that the
answer the whos soul is in Unit 00 is unknown. Isn't it possible that
the soul is the one of Naoko Akagi? Whenever Unit 00 go berserk it is
targeting Rei or Commander Ikari which would suggest that.
Since Unit 01 and unit 02 has their respective pilots mothers souls in
them i think we can assume that this was the plan for all EVA:s. It is
also known that all students in Shinjis class at school are potential
EVA pilots. I think that all the students mothers have worked inside
NERV and this is the reason NERV has access to their souls and all the
children has been put in the same class. Makes sense if you take into
account that they are some of the few remaining people in Tokyo-3
which could have to do with their parents beeing NERV employees?
Michael Wignall
news:f0267ec8.02062...@posting.google.com...
> This is my first post here so im sorry if im posting stuff thats
> already been talked about, i just wathed death : rebirth and end of
> evangelion yesterday and have some thoughts i want to share:
Welcome to JAE. How did you like the movies? Fantastic
weren't they ^_^
> I was reading the FAQ at http://faq.pen3.cjb.net/ and saw that the
> answer the whos soul is in Unit 00 is unknown. Isn't it possible that
> the soul is the one of Naoko Akagi?
I wouldn't discount it as "impossible" right off the bat, but I would
say it is about as unlikey as you can get.
> Whenever Unit 00 go berserk it is targeting Rei or Commander
> Ikari which would suggest that.
How do you know it is targeting Rei and/or Gendou? There were
a lot of other people in the control room, and Ritsuko (even
after hearing Misato suggest that Eva-00 was trying to kill Rei)
discounts that possibility saying that it was after her "without a doubt".
> Since Unit 01 and unit 02 has their respective pilots mothers souls in
> them i think we can assume that this was the plan for all EVA:s. It is
> also known that all students in Shinjis class at school are potential
> EVA pilots.
Also all the children in Shinji's class have "lost" their mothers. I don't
think it is just a coincidence.
> I think that all the students mothers have worked inside NERV
> and this is the reason NERV has access to their souls and all the
> children has been put in the same class. Makes sense if you take
> into account that they are some of the few remaining people in
> Tokyo-3 which could have to do with their parents beeing
> NERV employees?
How does that fit in with what you are suggesting about Naoko
though? She isn't Rei's mother, or Shini's mother and Ritsuko
states that the reason that Rei can pilot Eva-01 is that a "similar
personality pattern" is shared between Eva-01 and Eva-00. Also
the only pilots that are interchangeable are Shinji and Rei, in Eva-00
and Eva-01. This suggests a very definite link between Shinji,
Rei, Yui, and the mother-child A-10 principle of piloting the
Evas.
As far as we know Naoko didn't even work on Eva-00. She
was a computer scientist, she worked on the Magi, and that's
about it.
--
Michael Wignall
"Tomorrow's just an excuse away..."
Frank White
ec...@ziplip.com says...
>
>This is my first post here so im sorry if im posting stuff thats
>already been talked about, i just wathed death : rebirth and end of
>evangelion yesterday and have some thoughts i want to share:
What, you got all that at once and you're still coherent?
I'm IMPRESSED.
>I was reading the FAQ at http://faq.pen3.cjb.net/ and saw that the
>answer the whos soul is in Unit 00 is unknown. Isn't it possible that
>the soul is the one of Naoko Akagi? Whenever Unit 00 go berserk it is
>targeting Rei or Commander Ikari which would suggest that.
Possible, yes. But the problem is, Naoko was EXTREMELY valuable
to NERV and it's doubtful they'd have risked losing her as they
did Yui by making her a pilot. So she probably wouldn't have
had any chance to synch with Eva-00 before Rei-1 showed up,
and she sure the heck didn't have much chance AFTER Rei-1 and
her own swan dive. Besides, we suspect her soul is in the
Magi...
>Since Unit 01 and unit 02 has their respective pilots mothers souls in
>them i think we can assume that this was the plan for all EVA:s. It is
>also known that all students in Shinjis class at school are potential
>EVA pilots. I think that all the students mothers have worked inside
>NERV and this is the reason NERV has access to their souls and all the
>children has been put in the same class. Makes sense if you take into
>account that they are some of the few remaining people in Tokyo-3
>which could have to do with their parents beeing NERV employees?
Yes, but who was originally intended to be the pilot of Eva-00?
I've heard an interesting theory that Misato was supposed to
be it - which would explain what she was doing in the Antarctic
on a top secret mission (they were trying to suck her in right
from the start) - and that her mother didn't die in SI but was
kidnapped and used to build Eva-00. That would mean it wasn't
after Ritsuko or Gendo or anyone else in the control room that
time; rather, Misato's mother was trying to reach her daughter
and protect her from what she recognized as the enemy.
I'm not sure I buy this, but it IS interesting.
But the best explaination of what's in Eva-00 seems to be
Lillith, Yui, Rei, or some combination of aspects thereof.
FW
Disaster
> > This is my first post here so im sorry if im posting stuff thats
> > already been talked about, i just wathed death : rebirth and end of
> > evangelion yesterday and have some thoughts i want to share:
>
> Welcome to JAE. How did you like the movies? Fantastic
> weren't they ^_^
DUB's are better :P
> > Whenever Unit 00 go berserk it is targeting Rei or Commander
> > Ikari which would suggest that.
>
> How do you know it is targeting Rei and/or Gendou? There were
> a lot of other people in the control room, and Ritsuko (even
> after hearing Misato suggest that Eva-00 was trying to kill Rei)
> discounts that possibility saying that it was after her "without a
doubt".
Of course it could just have been in a lot of pain from a screwed up wire
somewhere. Although I think that the references made in relation to the
incident may very well be clues, I also consider that they might very well
be misleading clues.
> > Since Unit 01 and unit 02 has their respective pilots mothers souls in
> > them i think we can assume that this was the plan for all EVA:s. It is
> > also known that all students in Shinjis class at school are potential
> > EVA pilots.
>
> Also all the children in Shinji's class have "lost" their mothers. I
don't
> think it is just a coincidence.
Bit of a stretch yes.
> > I think that all the students mothers have worked inside NERV
> > and this is the reason NERV has access to their souls and all the
> > children has been put in the same class. Makes sense if you take
> > into account that they are some of the few remaining people in
> > Tokyo-3 which could have to do with their parents beeing
> > NERV employees?
>
> How does that fit in with what you are suggesting about Naoko
> though? She isn't Rei's mother, or Shini's mother and Ritsuko
> states that the reason that Rei can pilot Eva-01 is that a "similar
> personality pattern" is shared between Eva-01 and Eva-00. Also
> the only pilots that are interchangeable are Shinji and Rei, in Eva-00
> and Eva-01. This suggests a very definite link between Shinji,
> Rei, Yui, and the mother-child A-10 principle of piloting the
> Evas.
>
> As far as we know Naoko didn't even work on Eva-00. She
> was a computer scientist, she worked on the Magi, and that's
> about it.
It does appear that Naoko's contribution to NERV are the MAGI and that her
personality is the only thing that has endured her untimely demise.
Although we have yet to determine if this is REALLY a good thing! I'd ask
Ritsuko but I rather value my own life.
--
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Michael Wignall
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> Besides, we suspect her soul is in the Magi...
I don't. Why does her soul have to be anywhere in particular?
She is dead. Her personality was transplanted into the Magi,
but that was done when she was still alive. She then killed herself.
Why would her soul go anywhere other than wherever souls
go when people die?
Disaster
> >I was reading the FAQ at http://faq.pen3.cjb.net/ and saw that the
> >answer the whos soul is in Unit 00 is unknown. Isn't it possible that
> >the soul is the one of Naoko Akagi? Whenever Unit 00 go berserk it is
> >targeting Rei or Commander Ikari which would suggest that.
>
> Possible, yes. But the problem is, Naoko was EXTREMELY valuable
> to NERV and it's doubtful they'd have risked losing her as they
> did Yui by making her a pilot. So she probably wouldn't have
> had any chance to synch with Eva-00 before Rei-1 showed up,
> and she sure the heck didn't have much chance AFTER Rei-1 and
> her own swan dive. Besides, we suspect her soul is in the
> Magi...
What a minute Franky old boy. Haul back the reins of your misconceptions
and relax the grip of your.. well, just hold on a minute. Personally I
think that Naoko was not nearly as important as Yui. NERV technically
could have worked without the MAGI, just not as fast. They could not have
worked without Unit 01.
Next, Naoko would have had a zero chance of getting into Unit 00 before
her death anyhow. As all souls apparently can not be stored within the
original host. In this situation anyhow, they are not, as the mothers of
the children are dead and Yui kinda lost her body as well. Further Asuka's
mother had a lot of trouble after her "accident." You'll note that the
continued existence of a live body was not a success.
> >Since Unit 01 and unit 02 has their respective pilots mothers souls in
> >them i think we can assume that this was the plan for all EVA:s. It is
> >also known that all students in Shinjis class at school are potential
> >EVA pilots. I think that all the students mothers have worked inside
> >NERV and this is the reason NERV has access to their souls and all the
> >children has been put in the same class. Makes sense if you take into
> >account that they are some of the few remaining people in Tokyo-3
> >which could have to do with their parents beeing NERV employees?
>
> Yes, but who was originally intended to be the pilot of Eva-00?
> I've heard an interesting theory that Misato was supposed to
> be it - which would explain what she was doing in the Antarctic
> on a top secret mission (they were trying to suck her in right
> from the start) - and that her mother didn't die in SI but was
> kidnapped and used to build Eva-00. That would mean it wasn't
> after Ritsuko or Gendo or anyone else in the control room that
> time; rather, Misato's mother was trying to reach her daughter
> and protect her from what she recognized as the enemy.
>
> I'm not sure I buy this, but it IS interesting.
>
> But the best explaination of what's in Eva-00 seems to be
> Lillith, Yui, Rei, or some combination of aspects thereof.
Well, as there is no evidence to support the Misato theory (she was their
because her father took her with him) I'm going to discount it. As to
what's in Unit 00, Lilith and Yui are accounted for elsewhere and Rei,
well Rei is special but the simplest way to handle that is to say that she
is the pilot.
Disaster
> "Frank White" <fwhite*NOSPAM*@colfax.com> wrote:
> <Snip>
> > Besides, we suspect her soul is in the Magi...
>
> I don't. Why does her soul have to be anywhere in particular?
> She is dead. Her personality was transplanted into the Magi,
> but that was done when she was still alive. She then killed herself.
> Why would her soul go anywhere other than wherever souls
> go when people die?
I think this Myth is as bad as the Misato killed Kaji one!
Frank White
says...
>
>"Michael Wignall" <wi...@evangelion.com> wrote:
>> "Frank White" <fwhite*NOSPAM*@colfax.com> wrote:
>> <Snip>
>> > Besides, we suspect her soul is in the Magi...
>>
>> I don't. Why does her soul have to be anywhere in particular?
>> She is dead. Her personality was transplanted into the Magi,
>> but that was done when she was still alive. She then killed herself.
>> Why would her soul go anywhere other than wherever souls
>> go when people die?
>
>I think this Myth is as bad as the Misato killed Kaji one!
Yeah! Eveyone knows the truth is that Pen-Pen shot him in
a fit of jealous rage over Misato!
^_^
FW
Frank White
says...
>
>"Frank White" <fwhite*NOSPAM*@colfax.com> wrote:
>> >I was reading the FAQ at http://faq.pen3.cjb.net/ and saw that the
>> >answer the whos soul is in Unit 00 is unknown. Isn't it possible that
>> >the soul is the one of Naoko Akagi? Whenever Unit 00 go berserk it is
>> >targeting Rei or Commander Ikari which would suggest that.
>>
>> Possible, yes. But the problem is, Naoko was EXTREMELY valuable
>> to NERV and it's doubtful they'd have risked losing her as they
>> did Yui by making her a pilot. So she probably wouldn't have
>> had any chance to synch with Eva-00 before Rei-1 showed up,
>> and she sure the heck didn't have much chance AFTER Rei-1 and
>> her own swan dive. Besides, we suspect her soul is in the
>> Magi...
>
>What a minute Franky old boy. Haul back the reins of your misconceptions
>and relax the grip of your..
(puckers tighter)
>well, just hold on a minute.
OK.
Say unto me some soothe, oh font of wisdom.
>Personally I
>think that Naoko was not nearly as important as Yui. NERV technically
>could have worked without the MAGI, just not as fast. They could not
have
>worked without Unit 01.
Naoko appears to be the SECOND greatest scientific genius in the
Universe. She may - or may not - have had a hand in building
the Evas, but she certainly seems to have been instrumental in
setting up the technical side of NERV.
If you are going to challenge Heaven, you want all the
advantages on your side you can get.
And I'm not sure they needed Yui to get Eva-01 functional...
At least, I doubt they PLANNED it to go that way...
>Next, Naoko would have had a zero chance of getting into Unit 00 before
>her death anyhow. As all souls apparently can not be stored within the
>original host. In this situation anyhow, they are not, as the mothers of
>the children are dead and Yui kinda lost her body as well. Further
Asuka's
>mother had a lot of trouble after her "accident." You'll note that the
>continued existence of a live body was not a success.
Yes, but let's attack this logically.
Eva-00 was the prototype. That suggests they had it up and running
before 01 and 02.
It appears there IS something in 00.
Yui's 400% synch was a complete suprise to everyone involved,
implying they had some idea of how a successful synch would
go and that this wasn't it.
Ergo, it is POSSIBLE they'd tried a synch with Eva-00, and
whoever did it walked away unharmed.
Now, that might have been Yui. Or Naoko (scientists
LOVE making themselves part of the process. It gives
them data first hand). Or Asuka's mom. Or someone
we know nothing about.
But.
Given what we know, and all we know, either Eva-00 is
truely bizarre, or soemthing happened with it that
didn't happen with either of the other Evas.
(nods) I think that's pretty comprehensive.
FW
Pen^3
>
> Yeah! Eveyone knows the truth is that Pen-Pen shot him in
> a fit of jealous rage over Misato!
>
> ^_^
It was self defence!
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Disaster
> "Disaster" disa...@disfanfic.net says...
Pen^2 works for SEELE? I knew it!
Disaster
Disaster
Fix yer header mutilation!
> > Personally I
> > think that Naoko was not nearly as important as Yui. NERV technically
> > could have worked without the MAGI, just not as fast. They could not
> > have worked without Unit 01.
>
> Naoko appears to be the SECOND greatest scientific genius in the
> Universe. She may - or may not - have had a hand in building
> the Evas, but she certainly seems to have been instrumental in
> setting up the technical side of NERV.
Naoko did not have a hand in building the Eva's, she was in charge of the
MAGI. Yui was in charge of the Eva's and after her accident Ritsuko,
Naoko's daughter took over Project E, but not Naoko. The MAGI are a
technological stepping stone for the Eva systems. Naoko has never been
proven to be a great scientist, she could just be a really good LAN techy
:P
> If you are going to challenge Heaven, you want all the
> advantages on your side you can get.
>
> And I'm not sure they needed Yui to get Eva-01 functional...
> At least, I doubt they PLANNED it to go that way...
Well, that's not a fact or anything. Good chance they did plan it.
> > Next, Naoko would have had a zero chance of getting into Unit 00
before
> > her death anyhow. As all souls apparently can not be stored within the
> > original host. In this situation anyhow, they are not, as the mothers
of
> > the children are dead and Yui kinda lost her body as well. Further
> > Asuka's mother had a lot of trouble after her "accident." You'll note
that
> > the continued existence of a live body was not a success.
>
> Yes, but let's attack this logically.
>
> Eva-00 was the prototype. That suggests they had it up and running
> before 01 and 02.
Except that Unit 01 has it's first fight before 00 is actually declared
ready for service. A prototype is normally built first yes but it does not
have to be fully functional and it certainly does not have to be finished.
In this case NERV also has a Test Type, Unit 01, which could finish the
job of a Prototype.
> It appears there IS something in 00.
Quite often we see it too, lots of blood and guts, muscles and little
girls. ;P
As far as we know 00 may very well be more similar to the MAGI system and
hold only a personality copy rather then a full soul. This is unlikely
though. Chances are it hosts a full soul.
> Yui's 400% synch was a complete suprise to everyone involved,
> implying they had some idea of how a successful synch would
> go and that this wasn't it.
Expect that it's quite possible that this was not a surprise to everyone,
just everyone that didn't need to know.
> Ergo, it is POSSIBLE they'd tried a synch with Eva-00, and
> whoever did it walked away unharmed.
There is nothing to suggest that they tried a Synch with Unit 00 until Rei
came along.
> Now, that might have been Yui. Or Naoko (scientists
> LOVE making themselves part of the process. It gives
> them data first hand). Or Asuka's mom. Or someone
> we know nothing about.
Except that there's nothing to support your attack on my logic. Further,
Asuka's mom is in Germany, Naoko is hard at work on the MAGI and Yui is
busy setting up the rest of it possibly planning her accident with Gendo.
> But.
>
> Given what we know, and all we know, either Eva-00 is
> truely bizarre, or soemthing happened with it that
> didn't happen with either of the other Evas.
Or it's a prototype with simply a different technology that uses the same
principles in a slighty different way when compared to Units 01 and 02.
> (nods) I think that's pretty comprehensive.
Well, it's unfounded too so you can use two big words.
Richard Liang
be that Naoko Akagi's soul is in Unit 00 but I still doubt that, solely
due to the part in Ep 14 when Shinji's mind becomes contaminated with
Rei's mental imprint. While the behaviour of Unit 00, in harming Rei
(first by ejecting the plug, then by bashing at the window), looking to
harm Ritsuko and/or Gendo, certainly seems to suggest Naoko, it could
also be just the Eva rebelling against it's creators ("It may hate us,"
Ritsuko says). The big thing for me, again, is that Shinji gets the
impression of Rei in the plug, not of images of a young Ritsuko or of
Gendo or something.
Rei has many times tried to sacrifice herself... Kensuke says she
doesn't value her own life, and Rei III says she longs for despair.
Ritsuko too attributes the first berserk incident to "mental
instability in the pilot", and right before the second one Shinji sees
the impressions of Rei, before it bashes at the window in front of Rei.
So I'm guessing it's Rei's "soul" in Unit 00. (Hey, she has no mother,
so who else would be in it?)
Of course, I tend to also consider it among the "plot threads
forgotten/abandoned after a few episodes."
Anybody agree? Or anybody want to flame me?
Richard
Disaster
> You know, come to think of it, I wonder... The popular theory seems to
When did that become popular?
> ...but I still doubt that, solely
> due to the part in Ep 14 when Shinji's mind becomes contaminated with
> Rei's mental imprint. While the behaviour of Unit 00, in harming Rei
> (first by ejecting the plug,...
This was an automated process from what I heard. That is it really had
nothing to do with the desires of the Eva.
> ...then by bashing at the window), looking to
> harm Ritsuko and/or Gendo, certainly seems to suggest Naoko, it could
> also be just the Eva rebelling against it's creators ("It may hate us,"
> Ritsuko says). The big thing for me, again, is that Shinji gets the
> impression of Rei in the plug, not of images of a young Ritsuko or of
> Gendo or something.
That just tells me that it may be a personality implant of Rei. That's
just an idle idea though don't put a lot of stock into it. It's not been
explored yet. Well, it might have, I don't remember.
> Rei has many times tried to sacrifice herself... Kensuke says she
> doesn't value her own life, and Rei III says she longs for despair.
> Ritsuko too attributes the first berserk incident to "mental
> instability in the pilot", and right before the second one Shinji sees
> the impressions of Rei, before it bashes at the window in front of Rei.
> So I'm guessing it's Rei's "soul" in Unit 00. (Hey, she has no mother,
> so who else would be in it?)
Well, first, Rei's soul is in Rei, it's Rei's purpose to hold that soul
more so then it is to pilot the Eva. Second if Rei's soul was in Unit 00
then what the hell is in Rei? When Rei is soulless we refer to her as a
clone in a tank. That's Rei without the soul, they don't do a lot of
piloting in the series.
> Of course, I tend to also consider it among the "plot threads
> forgotten/abandoned after a few episodes."
>
> Anybody agree? Or anybody want to flame me?
Pen^3
> "Pen^3" <Pe...@pen3.cjb.net.NO> wrote:
> > It was self defence!
>
> Pfft, Penguins can't defend themselves!
Depends where they shop...
http://www.villainsupply.com/heavyarms.html
Disaster
> "Disaster" <disa...@disfanfic.net> squawked:
> > "Pen^3" <Pe...@pen3.cjb.net.NO> wrote:
> > > It was self defence!
> >
> > Pfft, Penguins can't defend themselves!
>
> Depends where they shop...
> http://www.villainsupply.com/heavyarms.html
LMAO
I think I have the Philips head screwdriver!
Amani
> doesn't value her own life, and Rei III says she longs for despair.
> Ritsuko too attributes the first berserk incident to "mental
> instability in the pilot", and right before the second one Shinji sees
> the impressions of Rei, before it bashes at the window in front of Rei.
> So I'm guessing it's Rei's "soul" in Unit 00. (Hey, she has no mother,
> so who else would be in it?)
I'm going to agree with Disaster in saying Rei's soul is in /Rei/. Hell,
it's not even /her/ soul, in a way. Well, it is. I'm stopping on that before
I confuse myself.
I always attributed Rei's refusal to sacrifice herself to her unwavering
obedience to Gendou (until EoE, of course). He won't allow her to die, so
she's not going to die. He needs her for other uses. Like to grope and
stuff. (Taryn watching EoE for the first time with her friend Kerri, "Hey,
you're not seriously going to--ohmygod, don't touch her THERE!" And thus
commenced much Gendou bashing. We knew it was coming, but we still hate
him.)
--Taryn
Disaster
> > Rei has many times tried to sacrifice herself... Kensuke says she
> > doesn't value her own life, and Rei III says she longs for despair.
> > Ritsuko too attributes the first berserk incident to "mental
> > instability in the pilot", and right before the second one Shinji sees
> > the impressions of Rei, before it bashes at the window in front of
Rei.
> > So I'm guessing it's Rei's "soul" in Unit 00. (Hey, she has no
mother,
> > so who else would be in it?)
>
> I'm going to agree with Disaster in saying Rei's soul is in /Rei/. Hell,
> it's not even /her/ soul, in a way. Well, it is. I'm stopping on that
before
> I confuse myself.
LOL
Didn't you read the threads Michael and I played with?
> I always attributed Rei's refusal to sacrifice herself to her unwavering
> obedience to Gendou (until EoE, of course). He won't allow her to die,
so
> she's not going to die. He needs her for other uses. Like to grope and
> stuff. (Taryn watching EoE for the first time with her friend Kerri,
"Hey,
> you're not seriously going to--ohmygod, don't touch her THERE!" And thus
> commenced much Gendou bashing. We knew it was coming, but we still hate
> him.)
I do not think that Rei has any more or less an inclination to sacrifice
herself then anyone else. I think she has a stronger sense of a more
communal team effort rather then seeing each pilot as an individual. You
know one of those people who puts the success of the team over the success
of the person. This is most likely fostered by Gendo or could simply be an
attribute of those who have little experience with their own emotions and
random thoughts.
You thought that Gendo was bad for putting his hand over Rei's heart? Just
cause she was naked and that happened to be where her breast was? His hand
DID do THROUGH her flesh though, not like he was really groping her. Now
what Shinji did to Asuka in the very first scene, I would Shinji bashing
for that if anything.
Richard Liang
>>...then by bashing at the window), looking to
>>harm Ritsuko and/or Gendo, certainly seems to suggest Naoko, it could
>>also be just the Eva rebelling against it's creators ("It may hate us,"
>>Ritsuko says). The big thing for me, again, is that Shinji gets the
>>impression of Rei in the plug, not of images of a young Ritsuko or of
>>Gendo or something.
>>
>>
>
>That just tells me that it may be a personality implant of Rei. That's
>just an idle idea though don't put a lot of stock into it. It's not been
>explored yet. Well, it might have, I don't remember.
>
Yeah, that's more what I mean, not so much her "soul". An imprint of
her, in any case.
Richard
Amani
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> "Amani" <am...@charter.net> wrote:
> > I always attributed Rei's refusal to sacrifice herself to her unwavering
> > obedience to Gendou (until EoE, of course). He won't allow her to die,
> so
> > she's not going to die. He needs her for other uses. Like to grope and
> > stuff. (Taryn watching EoE for the first time with her friend Kerri,
> "Hey,
> > you're not seriously going to--ohmygod, don't touch her THERE!" And thus
> > commenced much Gendou bashing. We knew it was coming, but we still hate
> > him.)
>
> I do not think that Rei has any more or less an inclination to sacrifice
> herself then anyone else. I think she has a stronger sense of a more
> communal team effort rather then seeing each pilot as an individual. You
> know one of those people who puts the success of the team over the success
> of the person. This is most likely fostered by Gendo or could simply be an
> attribute of those who have little experience with their own emotions and
> random thoughts.
But in episode 24 she /does/ say that she wants to die and return to
nothingness, and that she can't because Gendou won't let her, because he
needs her.
> You thought that Gendo was bad for putting his hand over Rei's heart? Just
> cause she was naked and that happened to be where her breast was? His hand
> DID do THROUGH her flesh though, not like he was really groping her. Now
> what Shinji did to Asuka in the very first scene, I would Shinji bashing
> for that if anything.
True, but we just like bashing Gendou. It's nothing against him
/personally/--oh wait. It is. ^_~ I've always thought the idea of Gendou
actually using Rei in a way similar to that, because of his obsession with
Yui, to be /possible/, but there's no evidence to back it up, really.
Shinji gets bashed for other reasons. Like being pathetic. *nods* Although
we did go, "Bad Shinji! Bad, BAD Shinji!"
--Taryn
Frank White
<snip>
>> You thought that Gendo was bad for putting his hand over Rei's heart?
Just
>> cause she was naked and that happened to be where her breast was? His
hand
>> DID do THROUGH her flesh though, not like he was really groping her.
Now
>> what Shinji did to Asuka in the very first scene, I would Shinji
bashing
>> for that if anything.
>
>True, but we just like bashing Gendou. It's nothing against him
>/personally/--oh wait. It is. ^_~ I've always thought the idea of Gendou
>actually using Rei in a way similar to that, because of his obsession
with
>Yui, to be /possible/, but there's no evidence to back it up, really.
>
>Shinji gets bashed for other reasons. Like being pathetic. *nods*
Although
>we did go, "Bad Shinji! Bad, BAD Shinji!"
Did you try to hit him on the nose with a rolled up newspaper,
too?
^_^
(actually, this being Shinji, that MIGHT be very effective...)
FW
Amani
No, but we shoved his face in his mess while saying it.
--Taryn
Disaster
sacrifice
> > herself then anyone else. I think she has a stronger sense of a more
> > communal team effort rather then seeing each pilot as an individual.
You
> > know one of those people who puts the success of the team over the
success
> > of the person. This is most likely fostered by Gendo or could simply
be an
> > attribute of those who have little experience with their own emotions
and
> > random thoughts.
>
> But in episode 24 she /does/ say that she wants to die and return to
> nothingness, and that she can't because Gendou won't let her, because he
> needs her.
Ep24 was rather late in the series. That was most likely when her Lilith
ID was emerging. Because of this it's possible that her interpretation of
Death is also very different from what we might expect it to be. Although
there's probably nothing to directly support this.
> > You thought that Gendo was bad for putting his hand over Rei's heart?
Just
> > cause she was naked and that happened to be where her breast was? His
hand
> > DID do THROUGH her flesh though, not like he was really groping her.
Now
> > what Shinji did to Asuka in the very first scene, I would Shinji
bashing
> > for that if anything.
>
> True, but we just like bashing Gendou. It's nothing against him
> /personally/--oh wait. It is. ^_~ I've always thought the idea of Gendou
> actually using Rei in a way similar to that, because of his obsession
with
> Yui, to be /possible/, but there's no evidence to back it up, really.
Hmmm, indeed, I think you just wanted an excuse to bash Gendo
> Shinji gets bashed for other reasons. Like being pathetic. *nods*
Although
> we did go, "Bad Shinji! Bad, BAD Shinji!"
*Chuckle*
I just sat there looking at the screen thinking, "Is this for real?"
Disaster
> > too?
>
> No, but we shoved his face in his mess while saying it.
........ Kinky!