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'DO KU HA RA'
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Sandy
2003/08/03 8:29:492003/08/03
To:
My mom had her leg boken last year, we went to several hospitals, but
each doctor said the different things...Last month, we went to another
hospital, the doctor told us that my mother must have an operation,
otherwise her leg will not be mended, and said that there're not a few
patients are wainting for his operation, so we have to wait until next
month.
As a patient, my mom hope her leg could have be cured soon, so we
asked the doctor if we can move up the day of the　operation,
however, what the doctor said was,'Shitsurei de su ne(how
rude　of you to ask me such a　question!) Before this,
I've saw a TV program about 'DO KU HARA', which means 'Doctor
harassment'. It says that nowadays, there are a lot of doctors say
cruel things to the patients, they never care about what a patient
feel, most doctor think their job is just to cure patients' physical
illness but not　the painful of the mental.
I don't know why does a doctor say such a thing, both my mom and I
were so shocked and feel angry with that. If a doctor always do so to
a patient, how can we trust the doctors from now on?
each doctor said the different things...Last month, we went to another
hospital, the doctor told us that my mother must have an operation,
otherwise her leg will not be mended, and said that there're not a few
patients are wainting for his operation, so we have to wait until next
month.
As a patient, my mom hope her leg could have be cured soon, so we
asked the doctor if we can move up the day of the　operation,
however, what the doctor said was,'Shitsurei de su ne(how
rude　of you to ask me such a　question!) Before this,
I've saw a TV program about 'DO KU HARA', which means 'Doctor
harassment'. It says that nowadays, there are a lot of doctors say
cruel things to the patients, they never care about what a patient
feel, most doctor think their job is just to cure patients' physical
illness but not　the painful of the mental.
I don't know why does a doctor say such a thing, both my mom and I
were so shocked and feel angry with that. If a doctor always do so to
a patient, how can we trust the doctors from now on?
Jaakko Saari
2003/08/03 11:27:132003/08/03
To:
Dear Sandy,
First, I'm really sorry to hear that your mom had to suffer about her brogen
leg. That must be very painfull and uncomfortable especially since now it's
hot.
For me this is very shocking to hear that doctors may behave like that in
Japan. I have one experience of visiting hospital in Japan though. I had a
serious "fukubikuuen" (a sinus infection) and I went to hospital and tried
to explain where it hurts. But the doctor didn't understand it! He never
examined my sinuses with ultrasound or anything, either he didn't check it
anyhow. He simply just gave me more these antibiotics thinking it's only
flu, and he said to the nurse "are?? nani.." looking confused when I tried
to explain. It was like he never had heard of fukubikuuen which I cannot
believe. But that wasn't so bad experience, it was rather OK comparing to
yours.
I cannot figure out what causes DOKUHARA. Is it something to do with economy
in Japan? Are doctors somehow getting too high position in Japan and it
allows them to behave like that? In Finland the situation is much more
worse, sometimes patients with a minor heart attack cannot be treated in
time. There are no enough doctors, nurses, funds for hospitals and so. But
in Japan I cannot imagine how this would happen.
My friend who is studying in Japan to become doctor, and she explained me
that students often don't get any practical training before they start their
work. Education is strictly based on theoretical training which I'm sure
affects their ability to handle the patients and be in patients side.
First, I'm really sorry to hear that your mom had to suffer about her brogen
leg. That must be very painfull and uncomfortable especially since now it's
hot.
For me this is very shocking to hear that doctors may behave like that in
Japan. I have one experience of visiting hospital in Japan though. I had a
serious "fukubikuuen" (a sinus infection) and I went to hospital and tried
to explain where it hurts. But the doctor didn't understand it! He never
examined my sinuses with ultrasound or anything, either he didn't check it
anyhow. He simply just gave me more these antibiotics thinking it's only
flu, and he said to the nurse "are?? nani.." looking confused when I tried
to explain. It was like he never had heard of fukubikuuen which I cannot
believe. But that wasn't so bad experience, it was rather OK comparing to
yours.
I cannot figure out what causes DOKUHARA. Is it something to do with economy
in Japan? Are doctors somehow getting too high position in Japan and it
allows them to behave like that? In Finland the situation is much more
worse, sometimes patients with a minor heart attack cannot be treated in
time. There are no enough doctors, nurses, funds for hospitals and so. But
in Japan I cannot imagine how this would happen.
My friend who is studying in Japan to become doctor, and she explained me
that students often don't get any practical training before they start their
work. Education is strictly based on theoretical training which I'm sure
affects their ability to handle the patients and be in patients side.
I recommend you to write about your experience to some major newspapers like
"Asahi Shimbun". It would be beneficial for people, I'm sure. I believe this
would bring up good and usefull conversation and raise more attention to
serious symptom of Japan called DOKUHARA.
Best,
Jaakko
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http://www.hanami-web.com
http://members.surfeu.fi/jaakkochan
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"Sandy" <sandy_ex...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Sandy
2003/08/03 22:06:072003/08/03
To:
"Jaakko Saari" <not...@nothing.com> wrote in message news:<lR9Xa.217$9h...@read3.inet.fi>...
> Dear Sandy,
> First, I'm really sorry to hear that your mom had to suffer about her brogen
> leg. That must be very painfull and uncomfortable especially since now it's
> hot.
Thank you. Jaako. I'm glad and feel thankful to have a person to share
with my feeling.
> For me this is very shocking to hear that doctors may behave like that in
> Japan. I have one experience of visiting hospital in Japan though. I had a
> serious "fukubikuuen" (a sinus infection) and I went to hospital and tried
> to explain where it hurts. But the doctor didn't understand it! He never
> examined my sinuses with ultrasound or anything, either he didn't check it
> anyhow. He simply just gave me more these antibiotics thinking it's only
> flu, and he said to the nurse "are?? nani.." looking confused when I tried
> to explain. It was like he never had heard of fukubikuuen which I cannot
> believe. But that wasn't so bad experience, it was rather OK comparing to
> yours.
The doctor also didn't understand what my mom said. He could speak
English but he used too many technical term of medical that we
couldn't understand and never care about whether we can understand or
not. Then when my mom started to explain about her symtom, the doctor
said nothing but 'it's ok, I see I see.'
> I cannot figure out what causes DOKUHARA. Is it something to do with economy
> in Japan? Are doctors somehow getting too high position in Japan and it
> allows them to behave like that? In Finland the situation is much more
> worse, sometimes patients with a minor heart attack cannot be treated in
> time. There are no enough doctors, nurses, funds for hospitals and so. But
> in Japan I cannot imagine how this would happen.
I'm sorry to hear that there are a few doctors and nurses in Finland.
Yes, there are many doctors and nurses in Japan, and there are medical
department in many universities in Japan. Also, the equipment of the
hospitals in Japan are good. But what I think is, if the doctors are
not good, those equipment don't mean anything.
> My friend who is studying in Japan to become doctor, and she explained me
> that students often don't get any practical training before they start their
> work. Education is strictly based on theoretical training which I'm sure
> affects their ability to handle the patients and be in patients side.
>
> I recommend you to write about your experience to some major newspapers like
> "Asahi Shimbun". It would be beneficial for people, I'm sure. I believe this
> would bring up good and usefull conversation and raise more attention to
> serious symptom of Japan called DOKUHARA.
Thank you for your advice. I'm now thinking about to write about this
experience to some major newspapers someday.
> Dear Sandy,
> First, I'm really sorry to hear that your mom had to suffer about her brogen
> leg. That must be very painfull and uncomfortable especially since now it's
> hot.
with my feeling.
> For me this is very shocking to hear that doctors may behave like that in
> Japan. I have one experience of visiting hospital in Japan though. I had a
> serious "fukubikuuen" (a sinus infection) and I went to hospital and tried
> to explain where it hurts. But the doctor didn't understand it! He never
> examined my sinuses with ultrasound or anything, either he didn't check it
> anyhow. He simply just gave me more these antibiotics thinking it's only
> flu, and he said to the nurse "are?? nani.." looking confused when I tried
> to explain. It was like he never had heard of fukubikuuen which I cannot
> believe. But that wasn't so bad experience, it was rather OK comparing to
> yours.
English but he used too many technical term of medical that we
couldn't understand and never care about whether we can understand or
not. Then when my mom started to explain about her symtom, the doctor
said nothing but 'it's ok, I see I see.'
> I cannot figure out what causes DOKUHARA. Is it something to do with economy
> in Japan? Are doctors somehow getting too high position in Japan and it
> allows them to behave like that? In Finland the situation is much more
> worse, sometimes patients with a minor heart attack cannot be treated in
> time. There are no enough doctors, nurses, funds for hospitals and so. But
> in Japan I cannot imagine how this would happen.
Yes, there are many doctors and nurses in Japan, and there are medical
department in many universities in Japan. Also, the equipment of the
hospitals in Japan are good. But what I think is, if the doctors are
not good, those equipment don't mean anything.
> My friend who is studying in Japan to become doctor, and she explained me
> that students often don't get any practical training before they start their
> work. Education is strictly based on theoretical training which I'm sure
> affects their ability to handle the patients and be in patients side.
>
> I recommend you to write about your experience to some major newspapers like
> "Asahi Shimbun". It would be beneficial for people, I'm sure. I believe this
> would bring up good and usefull conversation and raise more attention to
> serious symptom of Japan called DOKUHARA.
experience to some major newspapers someday.
Haluk L. Aka
2003/08/05 11:34:182003/08/05
To:
"Sandy" <sandy_ex...@hotmail.com>, haber iletisinde sunlari
yazdi:309ca057.03080...@posting.google.com...
> asked the doctor if we can move up the day of the　operation,
> however, what the doctor said was,'Shitsurei de su ne(how
> rude　of you to ask me such a　question!)
yazdi:309ca057.03080...@posting.google.com...
> asked the doctor if we can move up the day of the　operation,
> however, what the doctor said was,'Shitsurei de su ne(how
> rude　of you to ask me such a　question!)
Japanese doctors are usually very arrogant and proud (this must have
something to do with the attitude of Japanese towards Docs -sensei thing). I
remember one being prompted (almost forced) to thank a doctor -by nurse and
my ex-wife, while suffering a backpain... With that pain, being polite was
the last thing I cared...
Jaakko Saari
2003/08/05 14:35:182003/08/05
To:
It might be something to do with the sensei-attitude yes. However what I
don't understand is that since there are more doctors in Japan than work,
how this kind of thing can happen? In Finland they kick misbehaving doctors
out easily even though we don't have enough doctors here. Therefore
sometimes big problem comes.
They should have competition in patient care and only best ones should be
left in work!
don't understand is that since there are more doctors in Japan than work,
how this kind of thing can happen? In Finland they kick misbehaving doctors
out easily even though we don't have enough doctors here. Therefore
sometimes big problem comes.
They should have competition in patient care and only best ones should be
left in work!
--
Jaakko
---------------------------------------------------------------
my appearance on the web:
http://www.shimamedia.com
http://www.hanami-web.com
http://members.surfeu.fi/jaakkochan
---------------------------------------------------------------
> Japanese doctors are usually very arrogant and proud (this must have
Sandy
2003/08/06 10:04:542003/08/06
To:
"Jaakko Saari" <not...@nothing.com> wrote in message news:<GNSXa.2698$QG....@read3.inet.fi>...
> It might be something to do with the sensei-attitude yes. However what I
> don't understand is that since there are more doctors in Japan than work,
> how this kind of thing can happen? In Finland they kick misbehaving doctors
> out easily even though we don't have enough doctors here. Therefore
> sometimes big problem comes.
> They should have competition in patient care and only best ones should be
> left in work!
In Japan, working as a doctor could get a high payment, however, their
attitude never be changed. They get money from the patients, but I
wonder why do they still showed bad attitude to the patients.
> It might be something to do with the sensei-attitude yes. However what I
> don't understand is that since there are more doctors in Japan than work,
> how this kind of thing can happen? In Finland they kick misbehaving doctors
> out easily even though we don't have enough doctors here. Therefore
> sometimes big problem comes.
> They should have competition in patient care and only best ones should be
> left in work!
attitude never be changed. They get money from the patients, but I
wonder why do they still showed bad attitude to the patients.
Haluk L. Aka
2003/08/07 5:16:272003/08/07
To:
"Sandy" <sandy_ex...@hotmail.com>, haber iletisinde sunlari
yazdi:309ca057.03080...@posting.google.com...
> "Jaakko Saari" <not...@nothing.com> wrote in message
news:<GNSXa.2698$QG....@read3.inet.fi>...
> > It might be something to do with the sensei-attitude yes. However what I
> > don't understand is that since there are more doctors in Japan than
work,
> > how this kind of thing can happen? In Finland they kick misbehaving
doctors
> > out easily even though we don't have enough doctors here. Therefore
> > sometimes big problem comes.
> > They should have competition in patient care and only best ones should
be
> > left in work!
> In Japan, working as a doctor could get a high payment, however, their
> attitude never be changed. They get money from the patients, but I
> wonder why do they still showed bad attitude to the patients.
>
news:<GNSXa.2698$QG....@read3.inet.fi>...
> > It might be something to do with the sensei-attitude yes. However what I
> > don't understand is that since there are more doctors in Japan than
work,
> > how this kind of thing can happen? In Finland they kick misbehaving
doctors
> > out easily even though we don't have enough doctors here. Therefore
> > sometimes big problem comes.
> > They should have competition in patient care and only best ones should
be
> > left in work!
> In Japan, working as a doctor could get a high payment, however, their
> attitude never be changed. They get money from the patients, but I
> wonder why do they still showed bad attitude to the patients.
>
My point exactly. "I'm the customer dammit!!! I pay you for your services".
But this is obviously not grasped very well by Jap. doctors. I wonder how
they'd react if one was very nice and polite to them but fialed to pay?
(Although I've seen some such cases... "Eh! Kono hito shaken nai no? Jya dou
harauno?")
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