Is Ritsuko suposed to be a lesbian?
goat
Ritsuko was having sex with Gendo that I realised that she was heterosexual.
All throughout the previous eps, she was definately registering a 10 on my
gaydar.
There are so many hints that she is a lesbian. She says a few times that she
thinks that relationships between men and women are illogical, that she is
"the sort of woman who'll never have children of her own" (I thought it was
pretty blatent that she was into women at that point) and she taunts Misato
about being the only one of their group of friends not married by the age of
30, but doesn't include herself in this. She also hates seeing Misato with
Kaji (jealous of him?) and thinks that Shinji living with Misato is sick.
Then there are the stereotypes, which anime is never shy of using. She lives
alone with a houseful of cats, she has short hair and a gruff voice (you can
tell there's testosterone there), she dresses in men's clothes when not at
work and dresses to intimidate men when at work (under her labcoat it looks
like she's in bondage gear). Her jaw is pretty square which gives her a
male-looking face and she has an interest in what a lot of ppl would call
"boy's toys" (you know, computers and electronics and shit). If I didn't
know better, Id say that Ritsuko was a 'lipstick lesbian'.
Does anyone else think that Anno originally intended for Ritsu to be a
lesbian, but changed his mind near the end of the series (there are a lot of
things in Eva that seem to be made up as the story unfolds)? t seems that
her character does a complete 180 in the last 2 eps and she suddenly decides
that she is straight after all.
Ramandu
>When I first watched the series, it was only when it was actually said that
>Ritsuko was having sex with Gendo that I realised that she was heterosexual.
>All throughout the previous eps, she was definately registering a 10 on my
>gaydar.
EoE holds out hope for the lesbian thoery, as long as you're willing to accept
that the Ritsuko that Maya sees right before she goes splat might be the real
Ritsuko and not just a vision.
--Ramandu--
"What's your name again?" -- My memory seminar instructor.
Amani
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> When I first watched the series, it was only when it was actually said
that
> Ritsuko was having sex with Gendo that I realised that she was
heterosexual.
> All throughout the previous eps, she was definately registering a 10 on my
> gaydar.
>
> There are so many hints that she is a lesbian. She says a few times that
she
> thinks that relationships between men and women are illogical, that she is
> "the sort of woman who'll never have children of her own" (I thought it
was
> pretty blatent that she was into women at that point) and she taunts
Misato
> about being the only one of their group of friends not married by the age
of
> 30, but doesn't include herself in this. She also hates seeing Misato with
> Kaji (jealous of him?) and thinks that Shinji living with Misato is sick.
Relationships between men and women ARE illogical in that they are so
different and hard to work. I've always considered that to be Ritsuko hating
herself for falling for Gendou.
You can be the sort who never wants children and not necessarily be a
lesbian. >_> Perfectly common.
So she teases Misato about being single. She knows that Misato still loves
Kaji.
When does she hate seeing Misato with Kaji? I just rewatched the series in
the last week and failed to see that. In fact, she encourages both of them,
in a way. She tells Kaji she thinks he still has a chance with Misato, she
teases Misato about Kaji in that way friends do when they recognize their
friend in love.
The Shinji living with Misato thing is understandable. The age difference is
a little risque. Misato's too young and Shinji's too old for it to be a
normal guardianship thing. And Ritsuko knows Misato has her own problems and
is certainly not capable of taking care of ANOTHER person, especially one
with his own amount of problems.
> Then there are the stereotypes, which anime is never shy of using. She
lives
> alone with a houseful of cats, she has short hair and a gruff voice (you
can
> tell there's testosterone there), she dresses in men's clothes when not at
> work and dresses to intimidate men when at work (under her labcoat it
looks
> like she's in bondage gear). Her jaw is pretty square which gives her a
> male-looking face and she has an interest in what a lot of ppl would call
> "boy's toys" (you know, computers and electronics and shit). If I didn't
> know better, Id say that Ritsuko was a 'lipstick lesbian'.
Is the cats thing a lesbian stereotype? I always thought it was the old maid
stereotype.
Gruff voice? I don't hear that. o_O
When does she dress in men's clothes outside of work? I'm trying to even
remember clothes she wears out of work, as we rarely see her in that
position... There's the outfit she wears to Misato's, blank tanktop covered
with a light blue sleeveless button down tied at the bottom and
shorts...doesn't seem too much like men's clothes to me.
...bondage gear? Not seeing that at all. Indeed, it looks like a black
skirt, blue shirt, and a pair of pumps to me.
> Does anyone else think that Anno originally intended for Ritsu to be a
> lesbian, but changed his mind near the end of the series (there are a lot
of
> things in Eva that seem to be made up as the story unfolds)? t seems that
> her character does a complete 180 in the last 2 eps and she suddenly
decides
> that she is straight after all.
Now, after totally disagreeing with most your points, I'm voting that
Ritsuko's actually bisexual, and could've had a wonderfully cute
relationship with Maya if not for the whole Gendou thing. Stupid Gendou. But
her relationship with Gendou is too important to her character to not have
been mapped out from the beginning. It's the irony of her being so much like
her mother, who she hated in so many ways, including her relationship with
Gendou.
--Taryn
ten/mark
not a sign of a woman with a healthy self image! But that doesnt make her a
lesbian. Ritsuko admits that she uses people and does not think twice about
it, She lets Misato risk her life in the Jet alone sequence, though she
knows that the robot will not explode,
There is a lot of doubt and confusion in her life and she has used her job
(and cats) as a substitute. But this does not make her a lesbian. I am also
sure that her mother's suicide and her own role at Nerv has left her
somewhat emotionally unstable.
In fact, is anyone in this story emotionally stable? Especailly the second
impact generation.
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> Sleeping with your boss who also happens to be your dead mother's lover is
> not a sign of a woman with a healthy self image! But that doesnt make her
a
> lesbian. Ritsuko admits that she uses people and does not think twice
about
> it, She lets Misato risk her life in the Jet alone sequence, though she
> knows that the robot will not explode,
>
> There is a lot of doubt and confusion in her life and she has used her
job
> (and cats) as a substitute. But this does not make her a lesbian. I am
also
> sure that her mother's suicide and her own role at Nerv has left her
> somewhat emotionally unstable.
>
> In fact, is anyone in this story emotionally stable? Especailly the second
> impact generation.
I think Kaji's one of the only characters who seems okay in the head. >_>
--Taryn
Frank White
>
>Sleeping with your boss who also happens to be your dead mother's lover is
>not a sign of a woman with a healthy self image!
Or someone with too much of a competative urge...
> But that doesnt make her a
>lesbian. Ritsuko admits that she uses people and does not think twice about
>it, She lets Misato risk her life in the Jet alone sequence, though she
>knows that the robot will not explode,
If Ritsuko would tell people what she knows and they don't when
that knowledge would do good, NGE might have turned out quite
differently...
> There is a lot of doubt and confusion in her life and she has used her job
>(and cats) as a substitute. But this does not make her a lesbian. I am also
>sure that her mother's suicide and her own role at Nerv has left her
>somewhat emotionally unstable.
>
>In fact, is anyone in this story emotionally stable? Especailly the second
>impact generation.
>
>ten/mark
Kaji is. Maya and the other two bridge bunnies appear to be. Most
of Shinji's schoolmates actually seem normal...
FW
Drinian
> Ritsuko was having sex with Gendo that I realised that she was heterosexual.
So that means she isn't a lesbian per se. Although that doesn't rule
out a third option.
> There are so many hints that she is a lesbian. She says a few times that she
> thinks that relationships between men and women are illogical, that she is
> "the sort of woman who'll never have children of her own" (I thought it was
> pretty blatent that she was into women at that point) and she taunts Misato
> about being the only one of their group of friends not married by the age of
> 30, but doesn't include herself in this. She also hates seeing Misato with
> Kaji (jealous of him?) and thinks that Shinji living with Misato is sick.
None of these point in that direction, however. I find it completely
plausible that someone would consider themselves unfit to bring up
children, or indeed be in a mature relationship at all (Gendo is
definitely not mature), while being, at a very clear level,
heterosexual. Not everyone is meant to be a family person.
> Then there are the stereotypes, which anime is never shy of using. She lives
> alone with a houseful of cats, she has short hair and a gruff voice (you can
> tell there's testosterone there), she dresses in men's clothes when not at
> work and dresses to intimidate men when at work (under her labcoat it looks
> like she's in bondage gear). Her jaw is pretty square which gives her a
> male-looking face and she has an interest in what a lot of ppl would call
> "boy's toys" (you know, computers and electronics and shit). If I didn't
> know better, Id say that Ritsuko was a 'lipstick lesbian'.
I suppose Maya is a foregone conclusion for you then. Misato seems
just as assertive to me as does Ritsu -- and who's the battle
commander?
> Does anyone else think that Anno originally intended for Ritsu to be a
> lesbian, but changed his mind near the end of the series (there are a lot of
> things in Eva that seem to be made up as the story unfolds)? t seems that
> her character does a complete 180 in the last 2 eps and she suddenly decides
> that she is straight after all.
I think she was never intended to have a 'personal life' of the same
sort as many of the other characters. She's a bride of science, in
many ways.
As for EoE, I've never been a fan of the "complementation proves that
at least one of them is a lesbian" theory, though I can't prove it
either way.
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Psaiyan Prince Vegeta
>Relationships between men and women ARE illogical in that they are so
>different and hard to work. I've always considered that to be Ritsuko hating
>herself for falling for Gendou.
>
>You can be the sort who never wants children and not necessarily be a
>lesbian. >_> Perfectly common.
>
>So she teases Misato about being single. She knows that Misato still loves
>Kaji.
I'm surprised
>
>When does she hate seeing Misato with Kaji? I just rewatched the series in
>the last week and failed to see that. In fact, she encourages both of them,
>in a way. She tells Kaji she thinks he still has a chance with Misato, she
>teases Misato about Kaji in that way friends do when they recognize their
>friend in love.
>
>The Shinji living with Misato thing is understandable. The age difference is
>a little risque. Misato's too young and Shinji's too old for it to be a
>normal guardianship thing. And Ritsuko knows Misato has her own problems and
>is certainly not capable of taking care of ANOTHER person, especially one
>with his own amount of problems.
>
>> Then there are the stereotypes, which anime is never shy of using. She
>lives
>> alone with a houseful of cats, she has short hair and a gruff voice (you
>can
>> tell there's testosterone there), she dresses in men's clothes when not at
>> work and dresses to intimidate men when at work (under her labcoat it
>looks
>> like she's in bondage gear). Her jaw is pretty square which gives her a
>> male-looking face and she has an interest in what a lot of ppl would call
>> "boy's toys" (you know, computers and electronics and shit). If I didn't
>> know better, Id say that Ritsuko was a 'lipstick lesbian'.
>
>Is the cats thing a lesbian stereotype? I always thought it was the old maid
>stereotype.
>
>Gruff voice? I don't hear that. o_O
She does have quite a deep voice for a woman in the dub - I'll put it
down to the smoking. I can't remember how she sounds in the original,
as it's been a while since I watched it subbed.
>When does she dress in men's clothes outside of work? I'm trying to even
>remember clothes she wears out of work, as we rarely see her in that
>position... There's the outfit she wears to Misato's, blank tanktop covered
>with a light blue sleeveless button down tied at the bottom and
>shorts...doesn't seem too much like men's clothes to me.
>
>...bondage gear? Not seeing that at all. Indeed, it looks like a black
>skirt, blue shirt, and a pair of pumps to me.
>
>> Does anyone else think that Anno originally intended for Ritsu to be a
>> lesbian, but changed his mind near the end of the series (there are a lot
>of
>> things in Eva that seem to be made up as the story unfolds)? t seems that
>> her character does a complete 180 in the last 2 eps and she suddenly
>decides
>> that she is straight after all.
>
>Now, after totally disagreeing with most your points, I'm voting that
>Ritsuko's actually bisexual, and could've had a wonderfully cute
>relationship with Maya if not for the whole Gendou thing. Stupid Gendou. But
>her relationship with Gendou is too important to her character to not have
>been mapped out from the beginning. It's the irony of her being so much like
>her mother, who she hated in so many ways, including her relationship with
>Gendou.
>
>--Taryn
>
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>You can be the sort who never wants children and not necessarily be a
>lesbian. >_> Perfectly common.
I have to admit that I got the vibe that she may be a lesbian when I
first heard that line. Perhaps it was the way she delivered it in the
dub...
>So she teases Misato about being single. She knows that Misato still loves
>Kaji.
I'm surprised Misato didn't respond with something along the lines of
'pot, kettle, black' when Ritsu-chan did this...
>Gruff voice? I don't hear that. o_O
She does have quite a deep voice for a woman in the dub - I'll put it
down to the smoking. I can't remember how she sounds in the original,
as it's been a while since I watched it subbed.
>When does she dress in men's clothes outside of work? I'm trying to even
>remember clothes she wears out of work, as we rarely see her in that
>position... There's the outfit she wears to Misato's, blank tanktop covered
>with a light blue sleeveless button down tied at the bottom and
>shorts...doesn't seem too much like men's clothes to me.
You are correct. That's the only outfit we see her in outside of work.
She wears a swimsuit in Episode 1 and a blue dress in Episode 7, but
AFAICR that's as far as it goes...
>...bondage gear? Not seeing that at all. Indeed, it looks like a black
>skirt, blue shirt, and a pair of pumps to me.
Ritsu-chan would look great in bondage gear - preferably chained to
the radiator in my basement. ،_،
>Now, after totally disagreeing with most your points, I'm voting that
>Ritsuko's actually bisexual, and could've had a wonderfully cute
>relationship with Maya if not for the whole Gendou thing. Stupid Gendou. But
>her relationship with Gendou is too important to her character to not have
>been mapped out from the beginning. It's the irony of her being so much like
>her mother, who she hated in so many ways, including her relationship with
>Gendou.
Further proof can be found in a scene from one of the earlier
episodes. We see Ritsu-chan giving Gendo a jealous sideways glance
when he's talking to Rei, proving at least that the relationship was
not merely tacked on as an afterthought.