End of Evangelion and Terminator 3
Drinian
(Potential SPOILERS AHEAD for those who haven't seen either movie)
Was anyone else reminded of the "Komm, Susser Tod" scene, where the
entire world's poplulation is melted into LCL, by the ending take of
Judgement Day in the latest Terminator installment? The music was
upbeat, millions of people were dying as the camera pans across the
earth, but John Connor seems kind of unemotional, leaning towards
happy?
Just a thought from this Eva-soaked mind,
Drinian
Ramandu
>Was anyone else reminded of the "Komm, Susser Tod" scene, where the
>entire world's poplulation is melted into LCL, by the ending take of
>Judgement Day in the latest Terminator installment? The music was
>upbeat, millions of people were dying as the camera pans across the
>earth, but John Connor seems kind of unemotional, leaning towards
>happy?
>
>Just a thought from this Eva-soaked mind,
>Drinian
I guess they were similar, but only superficially. In T3 humanity wasn't
entering into any brave new era. It wasn't being completed or enhanced in any
way. It was the fate of destruction without the joy of rebirth. (Although the
latter will probably be the basis of T4.)
If your screenname is from the book I think it's from, you should have no
problem with mine...
--Ramandu--
Drinian
> If your screenname is from the book I think it's from, you should have no
> problem with mine...
Indeed it is. Those books introduced me to the rest of the C.S. Lewis
canon, and through them a whole network of literature as well as a
mature position on Christianity. Anyway -- how's the island treating
you?
Tangentially, you might be interested in hearing that both the
Evangelion live-action movie and the new movie version of _The Lion,
the Witch, and the Wardrobe_ will likely be shot in New Zealand, and
both will definitely be using WETA Workshop for their special effects.
Here's the article I read, as originally posted on a Yahoo! Group
(bird-and-baby, if anyone wants to join) a few days back:
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Narnia may deliver Rings-like riches
MONDAY , 30 JUNE 2003
By TOM CARDY
New Zealand's doubling as the fantasy world of Narnia would boost our
film industry and tourism in the way that The Lord of the Rings has,
its director says.
Andrew Adamson, a New Zealander who won the best animated film Oscar
for Shrek, which he co-directed, wants to shoot some of his next film
in New Zealand.
The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe, with a reported budget of $170
million, is based on the second book, published in 1950, of C S
Lewis' seven-part Chronicles of Narnia.
But live-action shooting will not go ahead here unless it gets a tax
incentive or other support. The Government's decision on whether to
support the film is expected next week.
Adamson, who lives in Los Angeles, said the project would provide
more work for New Zealand's film industry. Weta Workshop in
Wellington was already making props, including swords and armour,
while New Zealander Grant Major, The Lord of the Rings production
designer, is the film's producer and design director.
"The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe offers some of what The Lord of
the Rings offers as far as being a classic story, having a big appeal
to a huge audience.
"But also being a very location-based film, as Wellington became
Middle-earth, there's a good possibility that locations in New
Zealand will become Narnia," Adamson said.
"The Lord of the Rings ended up being a huge commercial for New
Zealand. I have lived (in Los Angeles) now for 12 years, I've always
been an advocate of encouraging people to go to New Zealand. Over the
years maybe one person I knew actually made the trip. The last couple
of years since The Lord of the Rings came out, I know four or five
that have made the trip."
Adamson said despite Hollywood films such as The Last Samurai being
shot in New Zealand, there was no guarantee the country would attract
overseas film-makers without more incentives.
"If Peter (Jackson) decides to take two or three years off, the film
industry could suddenly drop away. People will end up moving overseas
to get work and you'll lose them and then you don't have the talent
base there to attract other things back in."
Adamson said if The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe were shot here,
filming was likely to be this summer. While he had considered
shooting snow-bound scenes in New Zealand those would be shot in the
northern hemisphere.
Adamson scouted from Dunedin to Cape Reinga for suitable locations,
much of the time by helicopter. He looked around Wellington, but was
not sure if the region would end up in the film.
"Peter Jackson's kind of tapped out a lot of those locations," he
said.
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-- (Lord) Drinian
Ramandu
>rama...@aol.comnojunk (Ramandu) wrote in message
>news:<20030710164523...@mb-m24.aol.com>...
>> If your screenname is from the book I think it's from, you should have no
>> problem with mine...
>
>Indeed it is. Those books introduced me to the rest of the C.S. Lewis
>canon, and through them a whole network of literature as well as a
>mature position on Christianity. Anyway -- how's the island treating
>you?
>
>Tangentially, you might be interested in hearing that both the
>Evangelion live-action movie and the new movie version of _The Lion,
>the Witch, and the Wardrobe_ will likely be shot in New Zealand, and
>both will definitely be using WETA Workshop for their special effects.
>Here's the article I read, as originally posted on a Yahoo! Group
>(bird-and-baby, if anyone wants to join) a few days back:
Fabulous! Thank you for the news, though I'd like to know who "reported" the
$170 million budget. Weta has their work cut out for them, what with all those
"Cruels and Hags and Incubuses, Wraiths, Horrors, Efreets, Sprites, Orknies,
Wooses, and Ettins" running about.
Which do you think poses a bigger challenge visually, Eva or the Narnia series?
On a non-visual note, if the Narnia films are a success and they eventually get
to The Silver Chair, they won't find a better Pubbleglum than Tom Baker.
--Ramandu--
Drinian
> Which do you think poses a bigger challenge visually, Eva or the Narnia series?
That seems easy, at least to me: Narnia. Here's why:
1) Visual precedent. Eva is already an anime, while Narnia only has
the BBC productions as reference (which were heroically done, but had
a SFX budget of about $2 [1.5 pounds]).
2) Aslan.
3) Material -- _The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe_ is not a
particularly violent piece of work, thought it has its bloody moments.
It is also not really eventful; in other words, it isn't an action
movie. Keeping the viewer interested is going to require visual
masterwork and absolutely seamless and rich special effects. Eva, on
the other hand...
Eva, however, is going to be much harder to *write* and *act*
coherently, understandably, and meaningfully, if you ask me. Looking
at the stories, LWW is a pretty straightforward retelling of the
Christ-story as it might have happened in another world, combined with
some character development in children. Eva, now, is the product of a
fairly areligious director's half-decade experience with depression
and near-total withdrawal from society. The vagaries of the human mind
can be great; it took me 2 viewings of a 13 hour series to begin to
understand that, allegorically, Shinji == Anno == all of us.
> On a non-visual note, if the Narnia films are a success and they eventually get
> to The Silver Chair, they won't find a better Pubbleglum than Tom Baker.
Nothing beats his delivery of the famous "though there may be no
Narnia, I will still live like a Narnian" passage. Hope he doesn't get
too much older before then. I'm probably the only person who got into
Doctor Who through the BBC Narnia series.
-- Drinian
Ramandu
>rama...@aol.comnojunk (Ramandu) wrote in message
>news:<20030713014014...@mb-m03.aol.com>...
>> Which do you think poses a bigger challenge visually, Eva or the Narnia
>series?
>
>That seems easy, at least to me: Narnia. Here's why:
Agreed. I'll even go one step further and say Narnia is more challenging than
The Lord of the Rings. When filming the latter you have to worry about three or
four anthropomorphic races on each side. Narnia has dozens of races, most of
which don't look like humans. Some of them are total unknowns: your guess as to
what an Efreet looks like is as good as mine. And the filmmakers have to sell
it as an internally consistent world that could actually exist, not as a
conglomeration of stock fantasy characters thrown together for entertainment
(think Dungeons & Dragons). It's easy to film a passable wizard, but Narnia has
an actual Christ figure.
>> On a non-visual note, if the Narnia films are a success and they eventually
>get
>> to The Silver Chair, they won't find a better Pubbleglum than Tom Baker.
>
>Nothing beats his delivery of the famous "though there may be no
>Narnia, I will still live like a Narnian" passage. Hope he doesn't get
>too much older before then. I'm probably the only person who got into
>Doctor Who through the BBC Narnia series.
>
Not entirely! I've never gotten into Doctor Who, but Tom Baker at least
introduced me to the concept of different actors playing the Doctor.
--R--
Dean Siren
I have trouble believing this number. Even LotR cost only $100M per movie. The
Star Wars prequels cost $140M per movie. T3 cost $170M, but Arnold twisted some
arms to get $35M all for himself. LWW doesn't have as much built in audience as
any of those movies. I think they should limit it to $50M. Did you know that
Ghost in the Shell was made for just $5.5M?