Housing Search in Japan
GHill18299
Are you coming with a job in hand? If not, you will have bleak chances of
renting on your own because most places require a guarantor (read: employer).
Also, you may have to pay 2-5 months rent in advance as non-refundable key
money. The only place I know that doesn't do that is Leopalace21, but with
them you have to pay for your entire stay up front, whether it is one month or
12.
Louise Bremner
> I am looking for a small efficiency....
I suppose that if I don't understand the usage of "efficiency" here, I
shouldn't even think of answering. I didn't even know that efficiencies
are countable....
________________________________________________________________________
Louise Bremner (log at gol dot com)
If you want a reply by e-mail, don't write to my Yahoo address!
Kevin Gowen
> Larry Fitzsimmons <larry_fi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I am looking for a small efficiency....
>
> I suppose that if I don't understand the usage of "efficiency" here, I
> shouldn't even think of answering. I didn't even know that
> efficiencies are countable....
Maybe this is Amerika-go. It's a small, usually furnished, apartment.
--
Kevin Gowen
"[T]he Constitution appears to be fundamentally at odds with
progressive ideals and visions."
- Progressive Critical Race Studies "scholar" Robin West in a 1992 law
journal article (72 B.U.L.Rev. 765) that admits that the Constitution's
emphasis on protecting the liberty of individuals is incompatible with
the goals of the progressive left. The article appears in abbreviated
form in at least one constitutional law textbook used in American law
schools.
Curt Fischer
Kevin Gowen wrote:
>
> Louise Bremner wrote:
> > Larry Fitzsimmons <larry_fi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I am looking for a small efficiency....
> >
> > I suppose that if I don't understand the usage of "efficiency" here, I
> > shouldn't even think of answering. I didn't even know that
> > efficiencies are countable....
>
> Maybe this is Amerika-go. It's a small, usually furnished, apartment.
I usually think of an efficiency as the same as a studio apartment.
It's like a 1DK where the 1, the D, and the K are all combined.
--
Curt Fischer
Kevin Wayne Williams
Well, that was helpful. 1DK= 1 bedroom, dining room, kitchen? Where is
that a normal expression?
KWW
Matthew Endo
> I am coming to Japan with a job in hand, and I may be able to get some
> family friends to act as guarantors. I'm not particularly worried
> about having a guarantor, so long as I can just *find* a place to
> live. I am looking for newspapers, community publications, web-sites,
> bulletin boards, or other places where I can find (hopefully in
> English) listings for apartments (hopefully equipped with ADSL and
> telephone line). I would greatly appreciate it if someone could let
> me know how to go about searching for an apartment in Japan. Thanks a
> lot, I'm looking forward to hearing from everybody.
The best way to find an apartment is to hit the streets and search in
the area where you want to live. There are many publications in
Japanese with apartment listings, but by the time they go to print they
are out of date.
The listings on the internet take a long time to search, and are higher
priced than similar apartments.
As for ADSL and telephone line, you are better off getting an apartment
then signing up for the various offers, I recommend GOL if you need
English support, plus their excellent anti-spam filters.
You don't tell us your budget for the monthly rent, otherwise, I could
suggest looking at the Japan Times, Ken Corporation, etc. which the
listing for apartments can be about 500K-1 mil. monthly.
There are plenty of locations with reasonable access to Akasaka, but you
need to state whether you are willing to live off a private line, or
make transfers, or prefer a direct no transfer route, how many minutes
door to door commute time, etc.
Most people who come to Japan with job in hand have their company find
and rent a place, then if they don't like it, move after they have saved
up tons of money for key money and deposit. These days, the requirement
for key money is disappearing, but you'll need 1-2 months deposit plus 1
month for the real estate agent's fee.
Best of luck,
--
Matt
ma...@gol.com
Curt Fischer
Japan.
--
Curt Fischer
Louise Bremner
> >> I am looking for a small efficiency....
> >
> > I suppose that if I don't understand the usage of "efficiency" here, I
> > shouldn't even think of answering. I didn't even know that
> > efficiencies are countable....
>
> Maybe this is Amerika-go. It's a small, usually furnished, apartment.
Naruheso. I wonder how that usage came about.
So maybe what he really wants is a "monthly mansion", rather than an
apartment? I think I've seen gaigin-aimed ads for ones that include all
amenities, even a phone line (but of course I didn't take notes).
Michael Cash
<nih...@paxonet.kom> belched the alphabet and kept on going with:
Uhhh.....Japan?
--
Michael Cash
"There was a time, Mr. Cash, when I believed you must be the most useless
thing in the world. But that was before I read a Microsoft help file."
Prof. Ernest T. Bass
Mount Pilot College
Michael Cash
Bremner) belched the alphabet and kept on going with:
>Kevin Gowen <kgowen...@myfastmail.com> wrote:
>
>> >> I am looking for a small efficiency....
>> >
>> > I suppose that if I don't understand the usage of "efficiency" here, I
>> > shouldn't even think of answering. I didn't even know that
>> > efficiencies are countable....
>>
>> Maybe this is Amerika-go. It's a small, usually furnished, apartment.
>
>Naruheso. I wonder how that usage came about.
Most likely from marketing.
Hard to place an add for "an inadequate shithole with a roof" and get
much interest. But call it an "efficiency" and you're in business.
Michael Cash
Fitzsimmons) belched the alphabet and kept on going with:
>I am coming to Japan with a job in hand,
I don't mean to dig into your personal affairs, but as Matt indicated,
the more about your personal situation you care to reveal the more we
are likely to be able to be of some actual assistance to you. Coming
to Japan is not a one-size-fits-all situation and it is sort of
irritating to type up some sort of well-intentioned advice only to
later have it met with "Oh, my wife is Japanese, so she will take care
of that." or "My employer is arranging everything.", etc. That is why
people who are more forthcoming are more likely to be met with replies
intended to be helpful, and people who are less forthcoming are either
ignored or made the butt of jokes.
>and I may be able to get some
>family friends to act as guarantors. I'm not particularly worried
>about having a guarantor, so long as I can just *find* a place to
>live. I am looking for newspapers, community publications, web-sites,
>bulletin boards, or other places where I can find (hopefully in
>English) listings for apartments (hopefully equipped with ADSL and
>telephone line). I would greatly appreciate it if someone could let
>me know how to go about searching for an apartment in Japan. Thanks a
>lot, I'm looking forward to hearing from everybody.
One aspect of apartment hunting you may not have heard about is
discrimination. There are lots of real estate agents and lots of
landlords who want nothing whatsoever to do with you. Some will
indicate this to you quite openly, most will not. You'll eventually
end up with a place, but if you encounter some odd behavior that
causes you to have a sneaking suspicion you're being discriminated
against, it's because you *are* being discriminated against. I'm not
going to dwell on this, because you will end up with a place. I just
want to let you know it is still a fact of life for foreigners
apartment hunting in Japan.
Some links:
Kevin Wayne Williams
> On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 15:31:52 GMT, Kevin Wayne Williams
> <nih...@paxonet.kom> belched the alphabet and kept on going with:
>
>
>>Curt Fischer wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Kevin Gowen wrote:
>>>
>>>>Louise Bremner wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Larry Fitzsimmons <larry_fi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>I am looking for a small efficiency....
>>>>>
>>>>>I suppose that if I don't understand the usage of "efficiency" here, I
>>>>>shouldn't even think of answering. I didn't even know that
>>>>>efficiencies are countable....
>>>>
>>>>Maybe this is Amerika-go. It's a small, usually furnished, apartment.
>>>
>>>I usually think of an efficiency as the same as a studio apartment.
>>>It's like a 1DK where the 1, the D, and the K are all combined.
>>
>>Well, that was helpful. 1DK= 1 bedroom, dining room, kitchen? Where is
>>that a normal expression?
>
>
> Uhhh.....Japan?
Uhhh... I learn something new every day.
KWW
Curt Fischer
For your next test write out in kana the full pronuncation of these:
1DK
2DK
3DK
--
Curt Fischer
Kevin Wayne Williams
>
> For your next test write out in kana the full pronuncation of these:
>
> 1DK
> 2DK
> 3DK
>
I can find a handful of hits for ワンディーケー, and one for スリー
ディーケー, but can't hazard a guess for 2DK. From the low hit counts,I
expect that there is a trick here.
KWW
Curt Fischer
2DK is almost always ニディーケー. I usually hear 3DK as サンディーケー
but have heard スリーディーケー. 1DK is always ワンディーケー.
It's another way to make counting in Japanese even more fun.
--
Curt Fischer
John W.
>
> Thanks a lot, I'd appreciate any help anyone can offer.
If you go to www.newsonjapan.com, in addition to news the left side
menus have tons of links to just about everything you need.
Apartments, nightlife, restaurants, cars, etc. It's fairly
comprehensive; there might be better databases out there, but I like
this one.
John W.
Michael Cash
Which puts you miles and miles ahead of me.
Matthew Endo
> I don't mean to dig into your personal affairs, but as Matt indicated,
> the more about your personal situation you care to reveal the more we
> are likely to be able to be of some actual assistance to you. Coming
> to Japan is not a one-size-fits-all situation and it is sort of
> irritating to type up some sort of well-intentioned advice only to
> later have it met with "Oh, my wife is Japanese, so she will take care
> of that." or "My employer is arranging everything.", etc. That is why
> people who are more forthcoming are more likely to be met with replies
> intended to be helpful, and people who are less forthcoming are either
> ignored or made the butt of jokes.
Ahhh, yeah, that's what I meant. (Dig, Mike, dig!) But it is always
disappointing to craft a long and detailed response only to find out
that the poster was just being lazy and trolling for information...in
the end the company takes care of everything and we all just wasted our
time providing resources and giving advice that was not necessary in the
first place. FAQ, anyone?
> One aspect of apartment hunting you may not have heard about is
> discrimination. There are lots of real estate agents and lots of
> landlords who want nothing whatsoever to do with you. Some will
> indicate this to you quite openly, most will not. You'll eventually
> end up with a place, but if you encounter some odd behavior that
> causes you to have a sneaking suspicion you're being discriminated
> against, it's because you *are* being discriminated against. I'm not
> going to dwell on this, because you will end up with a place. I just
> want to let you know it is still a fact of life for foreigners
> apartment hunting in Japan.
Yeup, welcome to the Japan. Not necessarily the real world, but Japan,
and real enough for those of us who live and work here.
One reason I suggested the neighborhood real estate agent is that they
normally deal with the owners directly. That means they have a "secret"
pecking order list...pets, dogs, gaijin OK. (Usually in that order)
Also, I have a sneaking suspicion that they also have a bunch of
apartments that they will only rent to women...but I digress.
My Japanese friend who has a real estate license was absolutely
essential in helping me find a place in the preferred location and price
range. Probably would be good to stay in a monthly mansion until you
get a feel for the different areas as well as getting lots of first hand
advice and deciding where you want to live.
Normally apartments listed with the big companies (Recruit, etc.) have
been listed multiple times in multiple sources, so don't be disappointed
if you can't get them. But, since you don't speak/read Japanese, that
won't be a factor.
Jim
>>You don't tell us your budget for the monthly rent, otherwise, I could
>>suggest looking at the Japan Times, Ken Corporation, etc. which the
>>listing for apartments can be about 500K-1 mil. monthly.
>>
>
> be able to spend up to $2,000/month in rent money-- approximately
> Y200,000/month.
>
>
I rented a fully furnished 3rd-floor 1-bedroom apartment in Akasaka proper (next to the
SDF) for 21 man yen in 1999. I'm not sure how prices have gone up/down/sideways,
but I didn't need a guarantor, just the 1-month payoff to the real estate
agent. The apartment was "western", meaning I had a western-style bed not a
futon mat. Bedroom was about 8-jo, living was 12-jo with a sofa-bed. Kitchen
was the traditional 2-jo with sink/counters at knee level.
I rented from "Nord House" which advertised in the local English-language
classified ad rags.
If you can afford to do a one-year or 2-year lease, and lease unfurnished,
you'll find that $2000/mo will go very far. If you can scare up a guarantor,
your apartment search will be much more easier.
In my experience, depending on the landlord, the guarantor can be just about
anyone, they're just a contact in case you skip out of town after burning down
the building. I rented a place in Maruyama-cho in Shibuya, and a guy from work
came with me to be the guarantor... but made it very clear to the real estate guys
that he wasn't signing any paperwork or "guaranteeing" anything. They took his
business card and that was it.
If you don't have a guarantor, the people you're trying to rent from will assume
you're some sort of criminal. Kind of like trying to apply for *any* job and not
having any references... people will naturally be a bit suspicious of someone who
can't find any co-workers/relatives/etc to stick up for them.
-Jim
John W.
> Hard to place an add for "an inadequate shithole with a roof" and get
> much interest. But call it an "efficiency" and you're in business.
>
My friend's apartment in Japan was so narrow that he could stand in
the middle and, with only a slight lean, touch the walls. It was maybe
ten feet long, possibly fifteen. It was a shithole, but convenient.
John W.
Dave Fossett
> I usually think of an efficiency as the same as a studio apartment.
> It's like a 1DK where the 1, the D, and the K are all combined.
Just to be really picky...
A "1DK" is one room plus a combined dining room/kitchen. The small
"one-room" flats are usually "1K".
--
Dave Fossett
Saitama, Japan
Dave Fossett
> Uhhh... I learn something new every day.
And once you've mastered "xDK", you are ready for "xLDK". ;-)
("L" stands for "living room")
Curt Fischer
What did I write that made you think I believed otherwise?
--
Curt Fischer
Curt Fischer
Jim wrote:
> If you can afford to do a one-year or 2-year lease, and lease unfurnished,
> you'll find that $2000/mo will go very far.
No? You don't say?
--
Curt Fischer
Dave Fossett
Sorry, my wording was ambiguous. A "1DK" is one room and a *separate* dining
room/kitchen.
Jim
A bit of advice:
Mr Gowen is much better at this kind of repartee than you; you should
read his posts try to emulate him better.
-Jim
John Yamamoto-Wilson
> A bit of advice:
>
> Mr Gowen is much better at this kind of repartee than you; you should
> read his posts try to emulate him better.
Holding Kevin Gowen up as a model for emulation?! Now *that's* what I call
scraping the bottom of the barrel! I doubt even Baudelaire sank that low!
;-)
Kevin Gowen
> Kevin Gowen wrote:
>>
>> Louise Bremner wrote:
>>> Larry Fitzsimmons <larry_fi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am looking for a small efficiency....
>>>
>>> I suppose that if I don't understand the usage of "efficiency"
>>> here, I shouldn't even think of answering. I didn't even know that
>>> efficiencies are countable....
>>
>> Maybe this is Amerika-go. It's a small, usually furnished, apartment.
>
> It's like a 1DK where the 1, the D, and the K are all combined.
An efficiency can have several bedrooms. I believe the defining feature is
that it is furnished. You seem to be thinking of an efficiency studio.
--
Kevin Gowen
"[T]he Constitution appears to be fundamentally at odds with
progressive ideals and visions."
- Progressive Critical Race Studies "scholar" Robin West in a 1992 law
journal article (72 B.U.L.Rev. 765) that admits that the Constitution's
emphasis on protecting the liberty of individuals is incompatible with
the goals of the progressive left. The article appears in abbreviated
form in at least one constitutional law textbook used in American law
schools.
Kevin Gowen
> Curt Fischer wrote:
>
>>
>> Kevin Gowen wrote:
>>> Louise Bremner wrote:
>>>> Larry Fitzsimmons <larry_fi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I am looking for a small efficiency....
>>>> I suppose that if I don't understand the usage of "efficiency"
>>>> here, I shouldn't even think of answering. I didn't even know that
>>>> efficiencies are countable....
>>> Maybe this is Amerika-go. It's a small, usually furnished,
>>> apartment.
>> I usually think of an efficiency as the same as a studio apartment.
>> It's like a 1DK where the 1, the D, and the K are all combined.
>
> that a normal expression?
Japan.
Kevin Gowen
Sounds like a real 便所.
Michael Cash
belched the alphabet and kept on going with:
>
>
Out here in the wilds of BF Gunma it will go very far indeed. Not
that I've ever had the opportunity to go looking for lodgings in that
price range, though.
Michael Cash
<kgowen...@myfastmail.com> belched the alphabet and kept on going
with:
>John W. wrote:
>> Michael Cash <mike...@sunfield.ne.jp> wrote in message
>> news:<01njhvss7d9ai082c...@4ax.com>...
>>
>>> Hard to place an add for "an inadequate shithole with a roof" and get
>>> much interest. But call it an "efficiency" and you're in business.
>>>
>> My friend's apartment in Japan was so narrow that he could stand in
>> the middle and, with only a slight lean, touch the walls. It was maybe
>> ten feet long, possibly fifteen. It was a shithole, but convenient.
>
>Sounds like a real 便所.
No, those are the ones where you can sit in the middle and with an
imperceptible lean touch the walls (with your shoulders). The places
where people built like me or Jason back in to begin with, because we
know there ain't no way we're going to be able to turn around once
inside.
Curt Fischer
Yes, I know. That is why I wrote "where the 1, the D, and the K are all
combined."
I wished to contrast my image of an "efficiency" of consisting in
entirety of only room (plus bathroom, perhaps) to that of a 1DK, which
has multiple rooms.
Your continued attempts to "correct" me have thus left me baffled.
--
Curt Fischer
Curt Fischer
Curt Fischer wrote:
>
> I wished to contrast my image of an "efficiency" of consisting in
> entirety of only room (plus bathroom, perhaps) to that of a 1DK, which
"only ONE room."
Sorry.
Pete
> Finally, I have heard that opening a bank account in Japan is very
> difficult. Does anyone have any information regarding the documents
> or fees that are needed to open a bank account in Japan?
I used Citibank in Hiroo ,they are well set up for foreigners , forms in
English ,bi-lingual staff.etc
You will need your passport , with correct Visa , work permits . (I don't
think holiday visa counts )
Also either your Alien Registration Card or the form that the Ward office
can issue you stating
that you are wating for your registration card to be issued. (can't remember
the number)
Cost of setting up if i remeber correctly is zero , but there may well be
minumum balance fees
aslo fees if you apply for a credit card
web site http://www.citibank.co.jp/en/index.html
Re. ADSL , Mobile phone etc. In my experience most services such as this
will require a photocopy of either or
both your passport and your Alien Registration Card when applying for
services
Pete
Dave Fossett
> Your continued attempts to "correct" me have thus left me baffled.
OK. I now see what you were trying to say, although it wasn't obvious
initially, hence my pedantic "correction".
Matthew Endo
> I am also looking for information on ISPs-- I would love to hear from
> anyone who uses "gol" for broadband internet access. I am strongly
> considering using them, and could use any information on pricing or
> services that anyone can offer.
If you are a cheapsake like me then you'll use Yahoo BB. But no English
support at all. GOL now offers IP phone service which IMNSHO is the
best reason to go with broadband services.
> Also, I am leaning toward getting a "J-phone" after receiving numerous
> recommendations. Does anyone have any experience with using them? I
> am looking to get good-to-adequate service, for prices comparable to
> the U.S.
Yes, J-Phone has a web page in English. The best phone in the lineup is
the SH-053. Very cool.
http://www.j-phone.com/scripts/english/top.jsp
Good to adequate service is easily obtainable from any of the carriers,
DoCoMo, J-Phone, au, and Tu-ka, in that order. Prices correspond to the
coverage and service area. Guess which one I have...
> Finally, I have heard that opening a bank account in Japan is very
> difficult. Does anyone have any information regarding the documents
> or fees that are needed to open a bank account in Japan?
You need your gaijin card, I mean, gaikokujin tourokushoumeisho, some
cash, and a valid address because they'll send the ATM card via
registered mail to you. It is not difficult, just a pain and time
consuming.
> Thanks, I'm sorry if you have heard these questions a million times
> before, but they are important to me and would make my passage to
> Japan a lot easier.
Read the FAQ, wherever that may be now...
--
Matt
ma...@gol.com
Matthew Endo
> In my experience, depending on the landlord, the guarantor can be just
> about anyone, they're just a contact in case you skip out of town after
> burning down the building. I rented a place in Maruyama-cho in Shibuya,
> and a guy from work came with me to be the guarantor... but made it very
> clear to the real estate guys that he wasn't signing any paperwork or
> "guaranteeing" anything. They took his business card and that was it.
For guarantors, real estate agents/owners require a form to be filled
out as well as the copy of the guarantor's inkan shoumeisho. Your work
friend was probably just a contact person for Japanese language if they
needed to explain something, etc. That is not a guarantor.
--
Matt
ma...@gol.com
masayuki yoshida
"Curt Fischer" <cr...@po.cwru.edu> wrote in message news:3F19F0DF...@po.cwru.edu...
>
>
> Kevin Wayne Williams wrote:
> >
> > Curt Fischer wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > 1DK
> > > 2DK
> > > 3DK
> > >
> >
> > I can find a handful of hits for ワンディーケー, and one for スリー
> > ディーケー, but can't hazard a guess for 2DK. From the low hit counts,I
> > expect that there is a trick here.
>
> 2DK is almost always ニディーケー. I usually hear 3DK as サンディーケー
> but have heard スリーディーケー. 1DK is always ワンディーケー.
Not always. My wife and I often say 'イチディーケー'.
Masayuki
> It's another way to make counting in Japanese even more fun.
>
> --
> Curt Fischer
masayuki yoshida
" Louise Bremner" <dame_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1fydyw1.1le5ta37ou1omN%dame_...@yahoo.com...
> Kevin Gowen <kgowen...@myfastmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> I am looking for a small efficiency....
> > >
> > > I suppose that if I don't understand the usage of "efficiency" here, I
> > > shouldn't even think of answering. I didn't even know that
> > > efficiencies are countable....
> >
> > Maybe this is Amerika-go. It's a small, usually furnished, apartment.
>
I'm curious to know where you got the word 'naruheso'?
Masayuki
> I wonder how that usage came about.
>
> So maybe what he really wants is a "monthly mansion", rather than an
> apartment? I think I've seen gaigin-aimed ads for ones that include all
> amenities, even a phone line (but of course I didn't take notes).
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Louise Bremner (log at gol dot com)
> If you want a reply by e-mail, don't write to my Yahoo address!
masayuki yoshida
"John W." <worth...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:73fde4f0.03072...@posting.google.com...
My apartment in Japan is also so narrow that my wife and I cannot lay ourselves on the
tatami mat. Therefore we have to stand and sleep like a horse. But we have no problem
on doing so, because both of us were born in a horse year.
Masayuki
> John W.
Louise Bremner
> > > Maybe this is Amerika-go. It's a small, usually furnished, apartment.
> >
> > Naruheso.
>
> I'm curious to know where you got the word 'naruheso'?
TV.
Louise Bremner
> I am also looking for information on ISPs-- I would love to hear from
> anyone who uses "gol" for broadband internet access.
GOL is totally useless if you happen to go for cable Internet access,
but if you're determined to go for telephone access, that's no problem.
But their spam filter also seems to be broke <mutter><grouch><grumble>
> Finally, I have heard that opening a bank account in Japan is very
> difficult. Does anyone have any information regarding the documents
> or fees that are needed to open a bank account in Japan?
Depends on the bank and maybe even the individual branch. Once you've
got a fixed address, a gaijin card (aka: Alien Registration Card), and
maybe a seal with your name on it, in theory you just fill in the form
and chose your style of bankbook (terminally-cute cartoon character or
boring logo if you really, really insist with force that you wouldn't be
seen dead with a terminally-cute cartoon character on your bankbook).
But in practice of course you meet someone who exhibits some form of
paralysis at the sight of a gaigin and says "no" and won't get beyond
that. If that happens, just go to the next bank in line and try again.
Maybe it'll be easier if you have a Japanese-speaker to do the talking
for you.
> Thanks, I'm sorry if you have heard these questions a million times
> before, but they are important to me and would make my passage to
> Japan a lot easier.
There's one big difference between you and the usual post-and-run
merchant, in that you are actively participating in the conversations
started by your post.
Curt Fischer
masayuki yoshida wrote:
>
> "Curt Fischer" <cr...@po.cwru.edu> wrote in message news:3F19F0DF...@po.cwru.edu...
> >
> >
> > Kevin Wayne Williams wrote:
> > >
> > > Curt Fischer wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > For your next test write out in kana the full pronuncation of these:
> > > >
> > > > 1DK
> > > > 2DK
> > > > 3DK
> > > >
> > >
> > > I can find a handful of hits for ワンディーケー, and one for スリー
> > > ディーケー, but can't hazard a guess for 2DK. From the low hit counts,I
> > > expect that there is a trick here.
> >
> > 2DK is almost always ニディーケー. I usually hear 3DK as サンディーケー
> > but have heard スリーディーケー. 1DK is always ワンディーケー.
>
> Not always. My wife and I often say 'イチディーケー'.
Well, of course I am not going to disagree with you. But in my crowd,
1DK is ワンDK. People have made fun of me for saying いちDK. Of course
I guess this could've been just making fun of my Japanese in general.
Anyway, it just ads to the fun. Do they have The Count on Japanese
Sesame Street? What a hard job that guy has.
--
Curt Fischer
John Yamamoto-Wilson
ケー
> > > but have heard スリーディーケー. 1DK is always ワンディーケー.
> >
> > Not always. My wife and I often say 'イチディーケー'.
<rant html/start>
And quite right, too! As if counting in Japanese wasn't enough of a headache
without bringing 外来語 (gairaigo) into it! There are already two kanji (壱
and 一) for the number one, with readings ranging from ひと[つ] and イチ・
イッ to かず, はじめ and ひ, not to mention all the 冊 (satsu) and 本
(pon) and whatnots you need just to say "one book" or "one pencil" or
whatever. My daughter's rabbits have just had babies, and even the
neighbours can't seem to agree on whether we have 七匹の兎 (nana hiki no
usagi) or 七羽の兎 (nana wa no usagi)! If any language was less in need of
another word for "one" (or any other number) it's Japanese!
<rant html/end>
Brett Robson
>
>Larry Fitzsimmons <larry_fi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I am also looking for information on ISPs-- I would love to hear from
>> anyone who uses "gol" for broadband internet access.
>
>GOL is totally useless if you happen to go for cable Internet access,
>but if you're determined to go for telephone access,
or optic fibre
>that's no problem.
>But their spam filter also seems to be broke <mutter><grouch><grumble>
Actually it's working quite well, there has been a huge increase in spam attacks
over the last few months. I don't know if I can disclose figures but your userid
is 3 characters and gol is 3 characters, you are guarranteed to be randomly
targeted. We could be stopping 90% of the spam going to your account. We're
introducing a new feature in a month or two which should help more.
Do you want to email me some details of your spam problem? We hate spam evern
more than you do. b dash robson at you know where.
---
"If our [US] soldiers must be involved in a lengthy occupation, at least it's in
a place without any dangerous weapons of mass destruction lying around."
Rodney Webster
Brett Robson <jet...@deja.com> wrote:
> Do you want to email me some details of your spam problem? We hate spam evern
> more than you do. b dash robson at you know where.
You've gone and broken the internet, again, you fool! Now
I can't even email you.
From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER...@knot.mine.nu>
Date: 2003.7.26 00:18:26 Asia/Tokyo
To: <xxxx...@knot.mine.nu>
Subject: Returned mail: see transcript for details
The original message was received at Sat, 26 Jul 2003 00:18:24 +0900
from trout [192.168.200.3]
----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
<b-ro...@you.know.where>
(reason: 550 Host unknown)
----- Transcript of session follows -----
550 5.1.2 <b-ro...@you.know.where>... Host unknown (Name server: you.know.where: host not found)
Reporting-MTA: dns; knot.mine.nu
Received-From-MTA: DNS; trout
Arrival-Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 00:18:24 +0900
Final-Recipient: RFC822; b-ro...@you.know.where
Action: failed
Status: 5.1.2
Remote-MTA: DNS; you.know.where
Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 Host unknown
Last-Attempt-Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 00:18:26 +0900
--
Rodney Webster
http://knot.mine.nu/
Matthew Endo
> > Do you want to email me some details of your spam problem? We hate spam
> > evern more than you do. b dash robson at you know where.
>
> You've gone and broken the internet, again, you fool! Now
> I can't even email you.
>
> From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER...@knot.mine.nu>
> Date: 2003.7.26 00:18:26 Asia/Tokyo
> To: <xxxx...@knot.mine.nu>
> Subject: Returned mail: see transcript for details
>
> The original message was received at Sat, 26 Jul 2003 00:18:24 +0900
> from trout [192.168.200.3]
>
> ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> <b-ro...@you.know.where>
> (reason: 550 Host unknown)
Yeah, I think you made a mistake on the address. Maybe it's
b-ro...@youknowwhere.com. You forgot the dot com or TLD part.
http://www.netidentity.com/jumppage.asp?mp=DomainRedirect&d=youknowwhere
.com&ef=NA
Teehee,
--
Matt
ma...@gol.com
Louise Bremner
> >Larry Fitzsimmons <larry_fi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I am also looking for information on ISPs-- I would love to hear from
> >> anyone who uses "gol" for broadband internet access.
> >
> >GOL is totally useless if you happen to go for cable Internet access,
> >but if you're determined to go for telephone access,
>
> or optic fibre
Yeah, yeah, but we had gone for the all-in-one package provided by our
cable company and were puzzled why we could still connect to GOL's Mail
server as usual, but not to the News server. Every time we e-mailed
Support about it, we got back a boilerplate advert for improved
telephone access, even though we had made it clear we were no longer
using telephone-based services. That got a little frustrating after
awhile, until we discovered the German server and decided to give up on
GOL.
> >that's no problem.
> >But their spam filter also seems to be broke <mutter><grouch><grumble>
>
> Actually it's working quite well....
I was just wondering how come so much spam from clearly specified Korean
and Taiwanese sites was getting through, when the spam filter is
supposed to catch them, is all.
Brett Robson
>
>I was just wondering how come so much spam from clearly specified Korean
>and Taiwanese sites was getting through, when the spam filter is
>supposed to catch them, is all.
>
I checked and your spam settings are turned on correctly. Please send me a
couple of examples b dash robson at gol com or send them to abuse and put atten
Brett, I'd like to check it out.
---
"If our [US] soldiers must be involved in a lengthy occupation, at least it's in
a place without any dangerous weapons of mass destruction lying around."
- Martin Stearns
Brett Robson
>
>In article <bfqll...@drn.newsguy.com>,
> Brett Robson <jet...@deja.com> wrote:
>
>> Do you want to email me some details of your spam problem? We hate spam evern
>> more than you do. b dash robson at you know where.
>
>You've gone and broken the internet, again, you fool! Now
>I can't even email you.
Where the hell is Niue?
>
>From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER...@knot.mine.nu>
>Date: 2003.7.26 00:18:26 Asia/Tokyo
>To: <xxxx...@knot.mine.nu>
>Subject: Returned mail: see transcript for details
>
>The original message was received at Sat, 26 Jul 2003 00:18:24 +0900
>from trout [192.168.200.3]
>
> ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
><b-ro...@you.know.where>
> (reason: 550 Host unknown)
>
> ----- Transcript of session follows -----
>550 5.1.2 <b-ro...@you.know.where>... Host unknown (Name server:
>you.know.where: host not found)
>Reporting-MTA: dns; knot.mine.nu
>Received-From-MTA: DNS; trout
>Arrival-Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 00:18:24 +0900
>
>Final-Recipient: RFC822; b-ro...@you.know.where
>Action: failed
>Status: 5.1.2
>Remote-MTA: DNS; you.know.where
>Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 Host unknown
>Last-Attempt-Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 00:18:26 +0900
>
>--
>Rodney Webster
>http://knot.mine.nu/
---
"If our [US] soldiers must be involved in a lengthy occupation, at least it's in
a place without any dangerous weapons of mass destruction lying around."
- Martin Stearns
Matthew Endo
> I checked and your spam settings are turned on correctly. Please send me a
> couple of examples b dash robson at gol com or send them to abuse and put
> atten Brett, I'd like to check it out.
Brett, if you were a true believer, you would post with your e-mail
address in the clear and open...
--
Matt
ma...@gol.com
Brett Robson
LOL.
No thanks, I get enough spam just doing my job (and I certainly don't need
vigara).
>--
>Matt
>mattN...@gol.com
A brave man.
Rindler Sigurd
> vigara).
>
This must be the cheap stuff from the competition.
My Abaptec SCII card just died after 5 years. I guess that the real thing
(Adaptec... 10 times the price) wouldn't have lasted 50 years.
Sigi
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Ed
> I usually think of an efficiency as the same as a studio apartment.
> It's like a 1DK where the 1, the D, and the K are all combined.
Like a refrigerator box without the refrigerator? Those used to be called
mansions. I remember when a friend invited me to his "mansion" and I managed
to step on both his shoes in the genkan and his futon at the same time.
Needless to say, I didn't stay long enough to piss in his efficiency sink.
Rodney Webster
Brett Robson <jet...@deja.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 00:23:48 +0900, Rodney ...
> >
> >In article <bfqll...@drn.newsguy.com>,
> > Brett Robson <jet...@deja.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Do you want to email me some details of your spam problem? We hate spam
> >> evern
> >> more than you do. b dash robson at you know where.
> >
> >You've gone and broken the internet, again, you fool! Now
> >I can't even email you.
>
> Where the hell is Niue?
How the hell should I know?
(Response time-lag caused by one week business trip to LA & SF.)
Brett Robson
>
>In article <bg2d9...@drn.newsguy.com>,
> Brett Robson <jet...@deja.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 00:23:48 +0900, Rodney ...
>> >
>> >In article <bfqll...@drn.newsguy.com>,
>> > Brett Robson <jet...@deja.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Do you want to email me some details of your spam problem? We hate spam
>> >> evern
>> >> more than you do. b dash robson at you know where.
>> >
>> >You've gone and broken the internet, again, you fool! Now
>> >I can't even email you.
>>
>> Where the hell is Niue?
>
>How the hell should I know?
How are we supposed to send packets there if you don't know where it is?
>
>(Response time-lag caused by one week business trip to LA & SF.)
>
My condolences.
"Wherever you go, you carry a message of hope - a message that is ancient and
ever new. In the words of the prophet Isaiah, 'To the captives, come out, and to
those in darkness, be free."' President Bush II exhorting his soldiers on their
Crusades.
"light the darkness of the entire world" Kita Ikki
Pete
> >> Where the hell is Niue?
> >
> >How the hell should I know?
>
> How are we supposed to send packets there if you don't know where it is?
>
I'm surprised you've not heard of it , Niue is a small island in Polynesia
with a population of less than 2,000,
and is the world's smallest independent self-governed nation, in 1997 a
charitable trust
registered .nu as a Top Level Domain name, to raise funds to assist this
island in joining the web community.
It has proved very popular with people who have found their .com or .co.uk
(amonsgst others)
names already taken or being squatted on by domain companies who will then
'lease' it back to you, much as in the UK where a single domain company
registered all village names. Also where domain name registration is
restricted.
more information can be found at http://www.nunames.nu/
Declan Murphy
>>>>Where the hell is Niue?
>>>
>>>How the hell should I know?
>>
>>How are we supposed to send packets there if you don't know where it is?
>
> I'm surprised you've not heard of it , Niue is a small island in Polynesia
Ahh there ya go Brett, it must be part of the infamous Pacific solution.
--
"As I write, highly civilized human beings are flying overhead, trying
to kill me. They do not feel any enmity against me as an individual, nor
I against them. They are "only doing their duty", as the saying goes.
Most of them, I have no doubt, are kind-hearted law-abiding men who
would never dream of committing murder in private life. On the other
hand, if one of them succeeds in blowing me to pieces with a well-placed
bomb, he will never sleep any the worse for it. He is serving his
country, which has the power to absolve him from evil" - George Orwell,
England Your England, 1941
Brett Robson
>
>Pete wrote:
>>>>>Where the hell is Niue?
>>>>
>>>>How the hell should I know?
>>>
>>>How are we supposed to send packets there if you don't know where it is?
>>
>> I'm surprised you've not heard of it , Niue is a small island in Polynesia
>
>Ahh there ya go Brett, it must be part of the infamous Pacific solution.
>
>
Have they got room for a couple thousand refugees?
=
"Wherever you go, you carry a message of hope - a message that is ancient and
ever new. In the words of the prophet Isaiah, 'To the captives, come out, and to
those in darkness, be free."' Bush II exhorting his soldiers on their Crusades.
Declan Murphy
> On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 11:49:40 +0900, Declan ...
>
>>Pete wrote:
>>
>>>>>>Where the hell is Niue?
>>>>>
>>>>>How the hell should I know?
>>>>
>>>>How are we supposed to send packets there if you don't know where it is?
>>>
>>
>>Ahh there ya go Brett, it must be part of the infamous Pacific solution.
>
> Have they got room for a couple thousand refugees?
Perhaps if they were paid enuff they could learn how to stack them?