Bill Gates Sux
Michael Cash
computer parts about and smash them. My keyboard is missing the little
legs that prop it up at a comfortable angle now.
After installing the wonderful XP operating system and enjoying its
wonderful stability for several days....I now find that it has decided
it no longer knows where either of my CD drives are, and the stability
issue extends to its steadfastness in refusing to recognize them.
Any advice?
--
Michael Cash
"I am Elmer J. Fudd, millionaire. I own a mansion and a yacht."
Elmer J. Fudd
Millionaire
Darrien
> For the first time, I have gotten pissed off enough to actually throw
> computer parts about and smash them. My keyboard is missing the little
> legs that prop it up at a comfortable angle now.
>
Been there, done that...
Hint: Super glue is to computers, what Duct tape is to everything else.
> After installing the wonderful XP operating system and enjoying its
> wonderful stability for several days....I now find that it has decided
> it no longer knows where either of my CD drives are, and the stability
> issue extends to its steadfastness in refusing to recognize them.
>
> Any advice?
>
Short of a format and re-install?
If you can think of anything you may have changed or installed
lately, that might be a good starting point.
Mocrosoft's KB is usually where I turn first, google second.
Do these help?
http://tinyurl.com/ecsv
http://tinyurl.com/ecsy
ilbey
"Michael Cash" <mike...@sunfield.ne.jp> wrote in message
news:7cgoev09sgr8h6693...@4ax.com...
> For the first time, I have gotten pissed off enough to actually throw
> computer parts about and smash them. My keyboard is missing the little
> legs that prop it up at a comfortable angle now.
>
> After installing the wonderful XP operating system and enjoying its
> wonderful stability for several days....I now find that it has decided
> it no longer knows where either of my CD drives are, and the stability
> issue extends to its steadfastness in refusing to recognize them.
>
> Any advice?
Hi mike,
My best advice wil be not to use Ms products (specially OS) untill they come
really stable (rare but happen sometimes.)
So i advise you to use 2000 pro or server edition (if you have the chance to
choose), which is the most stable that i used.
I didn't even touch ME or XP since now! Better wait 2-3 years to really use
it.
Good luck.
PS: I heard that XP has a recovery system, which make you retun to the last
stable moment of your computer, but as i told you i never used it.
Melih Duvan
John W.
> computer parts about and smash them. My keyboard is missing the little
> legs that prop it up at a comfortable angle now.
>
> After installing the wonderful XP operating system and enjoying its
> wonderful stability for several days....I now find that it has decided
> it no longer knows where either of my CD drives are, and the stability
> issue extends to its steadfastness in refusing to recognize them.
>
> Any advice?
>
option someplace that will allow you to 'restore' everything to a
point before you lost your drives. Most likely this will be right
after you installed.
Also, have you gone to your Control Panel > add new hardware to see if
everything is okay? Finally, are the drives/computer new (meaning is
there the possibility that they crapped out, or even the mother board;
happened to me once)?
John W.
mr.sumo snr.
> computer parts about and smash them. My keyboard is missing the little
> legs that prop it up at a comfortable angle now.
>
> After installing the wonderful XP operating system and enjoying its
> wonderful stability for several days....I now find that it has decided
> it no longer knows where either of my CD drives are, and the stability
> issue extends to its steadfastness in refusing to recognize them.
>
> Any advice?
>
I thought we weren't ever going to get you into the world of XP Michael?
That useless advice aside. Have you upgraded (assuming so) or performed a
'clean' installation? Each time I've performed the former I've had some
problems. Each time with the latter - touch wood - things have been fine
and dandy. Invest in a new 120gig (lowest you can seem to buy these days)
hard disk and install to that. Keep the existing drive as a slave. A lot
of programs will obviously need to be re-installed but it's a great
opportunity to 'clean-house', which will greatly increase overall speed.
E-mail accounts and other settings can be transferred en mass through the
Files and Settings Transfer wizard. Still, the writing down of all existing
usernames and passwords is advised.
Windows XP still has problems with video card drivers - or video card
drivers have problems with Windows XP! Anyway, these two in combination are
the most likely cause of any system hangs, or the now infamous sudden
rebooting with a really, really useful message upon returning to the XP
desktop : "The system has recovered from a serious problem"!
jonathan
Cory Nelson
> For the first time, I have gotten pissed off enough to actually throw
> computer parts about and smash them. My keyboard is missing the little
> legs that prop it up at a comfortable angle now.
>
> After installing the wonderful XP operating system and enjoying its
> wonderful stability for several days....I now find that it has decided
> it no longer knows where either of my CD drives are, and the stability
> issue extends to its steadfastness in refusing to recognize them.
>
> Any advice?
>
Drop M$. Use Linux.
--Cory
Kevin Gowen
If you're going to tell jokes, you should end them by saying "Thank you
thank you, ladies and germs" or "wakka wakka wakka!"
--
Kevin Gowen
Michael Cash
<minaa...@NOSPAMgbronline.com> belched the alphabet and kept on
going with:
Well, that's just the sort of shit I expected to hear, actually.
Thanks, you've been a tremendous help.
Cory Nelson
>> Drop M$. Use Linux.
>
> If you're going to tell jokes, you should end them by saying "Thank you
> thank you, ladies and germs" or "wakka wakka wakka!"
>
I'm dead serious. And, I don't have some sick agenda that I'm trying to
satisfy either.
The only real challenge we've had at home (my better half is from Shizuoka)
is finding a good Japanese IME comparable to what Microsoft puts out.
Other than that, there'a absolutely nothing that we can't do with Linux.
And yeah, I did indeed expect to get slammed by that opening remark.
Cheers,
Cory
Jason Cormier
8b3654845f453e76...@free.teranews.com, "Cory Nelson"
<minaa...@NOSPAMgbronline.com> wrote:
Mike's just looking for more practical and immediate solutions while Kevin
has a bug up his butt about other operating systems. You should see him go
into fits when the issue of Mac comes up. It's really quite hilarious.
mtfe...@netscape.net
Actually, MacOS X is great.
Mike
Bryan Parker
>On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 19:36:35 GMT, Cory Nelson
><minaa...@NOSPAMgbronline.com> belched the alphabet and kept on
>going with:
>
>>Michael Cash wrote:
>>
>>> For the first time, I have gotten pissed off enough to actually throw
>>> computer parts about and smash them. My keyboard is missing the little
>>> legs that prop it up at a comfortable angle now.
>>>
>>> After installing the wonderful XP operating system and enjoying its
>>> wonderful stability for several days....I now find that it has decided
>>> it no longer knows where either of my CD drives are, and the stability
>>> issue extends to its steadfastness in refusing to recognize them.
>>>
>>> Any advice?
>>>
>>
>>Drop M$. Use Linux.
>
>Well, that's just the sort of shit I expected to hear, actually.
>Thanks, you've been a tremendous help.
Tell us how you fixed the damn things and we'll
shut up about it.
--
Bryan
gaijenetic engineering -
noun: the technology of preparing recombinant gaijiNA
in vitro by cutting up gaijiNA molecules and splicing
together fragments from more than one organism
Jason Cormier
"mtfe...@netscape.net" <mtfe...@netscape.net> wrote:
>> Mike's just looking for more practical and immediate solutions while Kevin
>> has a bug up his butt about other operating systems. You should see him go
>> into fits when the issue of Mac comes up. It's really quite hilarious.
>
> Actually, MacOS X is great.
'Tis. The new beta version of their Safari browser isn't too bad, either.
Faster than IE and better compatibility with the OS (obviously.)
Jon up in Tohoku
You get that worked out yet?
Some things to try, go into the device manager, and check that your drives
are really gone.
If your computer is a custom jobby, try and install the chipset drivers
again.
Try going into the bios, some bios setups allow scanning for drives, if not
try resetting manually.
If you really have been bashing it about in anger, you may want to check the
cables inside.
But I would say this, I really like XP, I have had mine running for a long
time with no problems. Once you get these hiccups worked out it will be
smooth sailing.
Also use the roll-back function if other things haven't worked, because it
gives you the ability to really frig with the computer, and then put back to
where you started. If you like, feel free to contact me on messenger, I'd be
glad to help.
And yes, even though I like XP, and it is the first time I have actually
bought an OS since windows 95, Bill does suck. Big bloated badger balls.
"Bryan Parker" <puntspe...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bjosevc8bk4792tu6...@4ax.com...
mtfe...@netscape.net
It's immaterial to me whether something is faster than a microlimp product,
'cuz I won't use one 'cept at gunpoint :-)
I use Mozilla; very good, but I have enough good things about Safari that I'll
probably try it.
Mike
Darrien
Assuming that he would ever go though all the hassles of switching OSs,
especially one as immature as Linux, Mike is smart enough to use *BSD
and not some toy, hippie OS.
A detailed, point-by-point comparison of *BSD and Linux is available here:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~marcone/bsdversuslinux.html
5 netbucks says Mike will choose *BSD.
P.S.
Cory, are you like the Linux lusers in the foreground or the background?
DougH
> option someplace that will allow you to 'restore' everything to a
> point before you lost your drives. Most likely this will be right
> after you installed.
System Restore is accessed by pressing: Start, All Programs, Accessories,
System Tools, and finally System Restore. Select Restore my computer to an
earlier time. Click next. Hopefully there is a restore point that was
automatically saved on a date before you started having problems. Select
the date you want, click next, read the notices, click next and the process
takes off. After a reboot it should be back to normal.
DougH
Michael Cash
<jgj...@hotmail.com> belched the alphabet and kept on going with:
>Hey buddy,
>
>You get that worked out yet?
>
>Some things to try, go into the device manager, and check that your drives
>are really gone.
I did that. And this is the part that really had me fucking steaming.
They were both listed by make and model number. The icons had little
yellow exclamation marks on them, indicating that there was a problem.
Thanks Bill, I already fucking knew that. I couldn't access them.
I went into "add hardware" in the control panel. I tried the "renew
drivers" or some such shit, and kept ending up at dead ends. I finally
tried some other options (forget exactly what now) from the same area
and got a list of various options like "CD-ROM, CD-ROM 2.3, CD-ROM
2.4, etc" I picked the first one, hit "enter" and BOOM! the fucking
thing was fixed.
>If you really have been bashing it about in anger, you may want to check the
>cables inside.
Actually, I thought to manually disconnect them, reboot, shut down,
reconnect, and hope for automatic recognition of new hardware. But it
is such a pain to undo all the shit from the back of the box.
>
>But I would say this, I really like XP, I have had mine running for a long
>time with no problems. Once you get these hiccups worked out it will be
>smooth sailing.
I like it too. Some things, mostly cosmetic, I don't care for. But as
far as stability goes, it has been an improvement over 98SE such as I
would not have expected. Practically every problem I had been having
has disappeared, and if it weren't so grungy, I would swear I had a
new computer....albeit it with a CPU that's a few years out of date.
(Pentium III, 733mhz).
The number one improvement, and one which makes it ALL worthwhile, is
that my ADSL connection doesn't get dropped every time somebody in the
neighborhood breathes. The only way to kill the connection now would
be to take a sledgehammer to the modem. As we all know, though,
households with computers have no business also having sledgehammers
lying about handy.
>
>Also use the roll-back function if other things haven't worked, because it
>gives you the ability to really frig with the computer, and then put back to
>where you started. If you like, feel free to contact me on messenger, I'd be
>glad to help.
Thanks for the offer. You won't try to send me gay porn like Bryan
Parker does, will you?
Michael Cash
<mr_...@hotmail.com> belched the alphabet and kept on going with:
>"Michael Cash" <mike...@sunfield.ne.jp> wrote in message
>news:7cgoev09sgr8h6693...@4ax.com...
>> For the first time, I have gotten pissed off enough to actually throw
>> computer parts about and smash them. My keyboard is missing the little
>> legs that prop it up at a comfortable angle now.
>>
>> After installing the wonderful XP operating system and enjoying its
>> wonderful stability for several days....I now find that it has decided
>> it no longer knows where either of my CD drives are, and the stability
>> issue extends to its steadfastness in refusing to recognize them.
>>
>> Any advice?
>>
>
>I thought we weren't ever going to get you into the world of XP Michael?
It's my wife's fault.
>
>That useless advice aside. Have you upgraded (assuming so) or performed a
>'clean' installation?
Upgrade.
> Each time I've performed the former I've had some
>problems. Each time with the latter - touch wood - things have been fine
>and dandy. Invest in a new 120gig (lowest you can seem to buy these days)
>hard disk and install to that.
Installed one of those about a month and a half ago. Also have a
120gig external drive, as well as a 20gig external that isn't being
used currently. The D drive is the original 10gig, so all together I
have 250gigs hooked up. I also recently increased the memory to 448mb.
Not that 98 had the slightest fucking idea how to manage it, of
course. XP seems to be doing well with it, though.
>Keep the existing drive as a slave.
I kept the original C drive (10gig), and someday it will probably go
back in the computer. I'm going to pull the CD/DVD-ROM drive sometime
in the future and put in a DVD burner instead. It has a separate
CD-R/RW drive. One that I had to replace since the original went tits
up on me.
I'm thinking that for my next computer I would like to attempt to
build one myself, so the current 120gig C drive and the upcoming
CD/DVD burner will be pulled from this one and put into the one I
attempt to build. Then the original C drive and DVD-ROM drive will go
back into this one and the kids can have it.
>A lot
>of programs will obviously need to be re-installed but it's a great
>opportunity to 'clean-house', which will greatly increase overall speed.
>E-mail accounts and other settings can be transferred en mass through the
>Files and Settings Transfer wizard. Still, the writing down of all existing
>usernames and passwords is advised.
All my usernames are "BrYaNpArKeR" and all my passwords are "iSqUeEr".
Makes it easier to keep up with them. The only things that needed
reinstalling were my printer and my scanner. Everything else works
just jim-dandy.
>
>Windows XP still has problems with video card drivers - or video card
>drivers have problems with Windows XP! Anyway, these two in combination are
>the most likely cause of any system hangs, or the now infamous sudden
>rebooting with a really, really useful message upon returning to the XP
>desktop : "The system has recovered from a serious problem"!
After having XP in the thing for about a week, I asked my wife if she
knew how to shut the computer down with XP, as I had yet to have
occasion to manually turn it off. There were some installer-related
system restarts, but so far, I still haven't turned the computer off
myself. Pressing "reset" was a many-times-a-day thing there at the end
of my 98SE days.
Kevin Gowen
Sir, I would like to purchase your copy of this Bee Ess Dee.
> P.S.
> Cory, are you like the Linux lusers in the foreground or the
> background?
--
Kevin Gowen
mr.sumo.snr
>
> Installed one of those about a month and a half ago. Also have a
> 120gig external drive, as well as a 20gig external that isn't being
> used currently. The D drive is the original 10gig, so all together I
> have 250gigs hooked up. I also recently increased the memory to 448mb.
> Not that 98 had the slightest fucking idea how to manage it, of
> course. XP seems to be doing well with it, though.
>
> >Keep the existing drive as a slave.
>
> I kept the original C drive (10gig), and someday it will probably go
> back in the computer. I'm going to pull the CD/DVD-ROM drive sometime
> in the future and put in a DVD burner instead. It has a separate
> CD-R/RW drive. One that I had to replace since the original went tits
> up on me.
>
> I'm thinking that for my next computer I would like to attempt to
> build one myself, so the current 120gig C drive and the upcoming
> CD/DVD burner will be pulled from this one and put into the one I
> attempt to build. Then the original C drive and DVD-ROM drive will go
> back into this one and the kids can have it.
>
Sounds like you've fairly rapidly grasped the usefulness of XP. As well as
the obvious response to those that criticize it's appetite for computer
resources - just stuff the machine with more and faster hardware. It's not
as if it's prohibitively expensive to do so in Japan.
jonathan
mr.sumo snr.
news:1eef43e2aa43e4ff...@free.teranews.com...
Just a thought, but whenever anyone mentions XP in this group there always
seems to be an autobot "ditch Microsoft, embrace Linux" response.
Perhaps this is a silly question in light of my previous observation, but
surely there can't be Linux worshipers that have their Google groups
advanced search browser permanently configured to trawl for every single
mention of Windows XP - or can there?
jonathan
Darrien
> > > For the first time, I have gotten pissed off enough to actually throw
> > > computer parts about and smash them. My keyboard is missing the little
> > > legs that prop it up at a comfortable angle now.
> > >
> > > After installing the wonderful XP operating system and enjoying its
> > > wonderful stability for several days....I now find that it has decided
> > > it no longer knows where either of my CD drives are, and the stability
> > > issue extends to its steadfastness in refusing to recognize them.
> > >
> > > Any advice?
> > >
> >
> > Drop M$. Use Linux.
> >
>
> Just a thought, but whenever anyone mentions XP in this group there always
> seems to be an autobot "ditch Microsoft, embrace Linux" response.
>
> Perhaps this is a silly question in light of my previous observation, but
> surely there can't be Linux worshipers that have their Google groups
> advanced search browser permanently configured to trawl for every single
> mention of Windows XP - or can there?
>
No, there's juuuust enough Linux lusers to cover every square inch of the
computing world.
Anytime someone has problems with Microsoft products, all they can seem to say
is: "Drop M$ (I'm so cool^W l337, I spelt M$ with a '$' hur hur hur) use Linux"
Without bothering to say WHY you should use Linux.
It's like a religious thing, they have to convert the heathens from their dark
ways.
Hey Cory, if I ever meet you in real life, well... let me draw a situation for
you.
Let's assume you are an auto mechanic (I know I'm giving you too much credit
here but still, bear with me)
I come in and say "I'm having problems with my Chevy and..."
you say "Dude, AmeriKKKan cars suXX0rz. You need to buy an import"
at that point I take a step back and a deep breath.
I then swing back, and kick you in the balls SO **FUCKING** hard, that
if they didn't shatter into a million pieces right then and there, you'd spend
the next 16 hours of your life having them surgically removed from your throat.
No one will take Linux seriously or even bother to try it out if they think that
everyone
that uses Linux is some unshaven unwashed hippie or pillow biting acne infested
nerd.
Alan Cox, coder of the TCP/IP stack Linux uses: http://tinyurl.com/elq2
RMS, My sworn enemy and mastermind behind the GNU: http://tinyurl.com/elq5
Eric bin Raymond: Self proclaimed "Geek". First class redneck and right hand man
to RMS:
http://tinyurl.com/elq7
and finally
Linus Torvalds: *THE* man. Coder of the Linux kernel and suprisingly very
pragmatic.
"Use the right tool for the job" is his mont famous saying.
If more linux users were like him I might've used it instead of FreeBSD.
Still a pillow biting Mama's boy though: http://tinyurl.com/elqm
mukade
> I'm thinking that for my next computer I would like to attempt to
> build one myself, so the current 120gig C drive and the upcoming
> CD/DVD burner will be pulled from this one and put into the one I
> attempt to build. Then the original C drive and DVD-ROM drive will go
> back into this one and the kids can have it.
>
> >A lot
> >of programs will obviously need to be re-installed but it's a great
> >opportunity to 'clean-house', which will greatly increase overall speed.
I have just finished building my new beast. There wasn't much
difference in price between assembling it, and buying a custom model
from a company in the back pages of a PC magazine. As I used to be a
technoid, I like to get my hands dirty once in a while so I bought the
parts separately.
There is one thing you need to remember about XP if you are planning
to transfer a drive to your new machine. Microsoft's wonderful product
activation system stores a hardware profile of your PC. If this
hardware fingerprint changes significantly, XP thinks "This is a new
PC - I need to register it with Billy Bob Gates." However, you have
already registered your OS, and if you are unlucky you could end up
with a fourteen day countdown before your PC shuts down.
A 120 GB hard drive is pretty cheap nowadays, and as you say, a clean
installation does speed up things a lot.
Well, back to killin' Tokyo-Japs on Battlefield 1942….
Mukade
Cory Nelson
>
>> > > For the first time, I have gotten pissed off enough to actually throw
>> > > computer parts about and smash them. My keyboard is missing the
>> > > little legs that prop it up at a comfortable angle now.
>> > >
>> > > After installing the wonderful XP operating system and enjoying its
>> > > wonderful stability for several days....I now find that it has
>> > > decided it no longer knows where either of my CD drives are, and the
>> > > stability issue extends to its steadfastness in refusing to recognize
>> > > them.
>> > >
>> > > Any advice?
>> > >
>> >
>> > Drop M$. Use Linux.
>> >
>>
>> Just a thought, but whenever anyone mentions XP in this group there
>> always seems to be an autobot "ditch Microsoft, embrace Linux" response.
>>
>> Perhaps this is a silly question in light of my previous observation, but
>> surely there can't be Linux worshipers that have their Google groups
>> advanced search browser permanently configured to trawl for every single
>> mention of Windows XP - or can there?
>>
>
> No, there's juuuust enough Linux lusers to cover every square inch of the
> computing world.
>
> Anytime someone has problems with Microsoft products, all they can seem to
> say is: "Drop M$ (I'm so cool^W l337, I spelt M$ with a '$' hur hur hur)
> use Linux" Without bothering to say WHY you should use Linux.
Hmmm... apparently you take things _way_ too seriously. I've contracted out
to Microsoft in various forms over the course of years, and am merely using
a symbolic (if not over used by some groups) representation of M$ for
Microsoft, based on _my_ feelings towards the company as a whole. By doing
so, I'm certainly not implying that you, or anyone else read anything into
it beyond that.
Frankly, I'd prefer not even respond to such a blatant attack of character
as yours (and therefore pollute the flij message boards with some drawn out
TCO/CBA of *NIX vs Windows, or why one O/S is better than the other).
>
> It's like a religious thing, they have to convert the heathens from their
> dark ways.
>
> Hey Cory, if I ever meet you in real life, well... let me draw a situation
> for you.
>
> Let's assume you are an auto mechanic (I know I'm giving you too much
> credit here but still, bear with me)
I'm not an auto mechanic. Nor would I care to be. I'm a Software Engineer.
>
> I come in and say "I'm having problems with my Chevy and..."
> you say "Dude, AmeriKKKan cars suXX0rz. You need to buy an import"
> at that point I take a step back and a deep breath.
>
> I then swing back, and kick you in the balls SO **FUCKING** hard, that
> if they didn't shatter into a million pieces right then and there, you'd
> spend the next 16 hours of your life having them surgically removed from
> your throat.
All I can assume is that you've got problems, buddy.
>
> No one will take Linux seriously or even bother to try it out if they
> think that everyone
> that uses Linux is some unshaven unwashed hippie or pillow biting acne
> infested nerd.
What part of 'Drop M$, use Linux' made you assume that I'm unshavened,
and/or a hippie? I'm liberal, but not a hippie... though I do have a big
zit I'd like to pop all over you.
>
> Alan Cox, coder of the TCP/IP stack Linux uses: http://tinyurl.com/elq2
>
> RMS, My sworn enemy and mastermind behind the GNU: http://tinyurl.com/elq5
I'm not much of a Stallman fan either, actually.
>
> Eric bin Raymond: Self proclaimed "Geek". First class redneck and right
> hand man to RMS:
> http://tinyurl.com/elq7
>
> and finally
>
> Linus Torvalds: *THE* man. Coder of the Linux kernel and suprisingly very
> pragmatic.
> "Use the right tool for the job" is his mont famous saying.
> If more linux users were like him I might've used it instead of FreeBSD.
I have no beef with any of the BSDs, nor did I imply such in my post.
Just for you, I'll revise my original post to read:
"Drop Microsoft, use Linux (and/or a Berkeley derived UNIX)."
Cory Nelson
If you read my previous reply to your thrashing, you'll see that I have no
beef whatsoever with any *BSD. And, ummm... after seeing your convincing
argument of *BSD vs Linux in the above link, it's enough for just about any
sane person to want to buckle down and give *BSD a try.
Kevin Gowen
> Darrien wrote:
>> Anytime someone has problems with Microsoft products, all they can
>> seem to say is: "Drop M$ (I'm so cool^W l337, I spelt M$ with a '$'
>> hur hur hur) use Linux" Without bothering to say WHY you should use
>> Linux.
>
> Hmmm... apparently you take things _way_ too seriously. I've
> contracted out to Microsoft in various forms over the course of
> years, and am merely using a symbolic (if not over used by some
> groups) representation of M$ for Microsoft, based on _my_ feelings
> towards the company as a whole.
What feelings of yours does writing "MS" as "M$" represent? The
earth-shattering proposition that Microsoft is in business to make a profit?
--
Kevin Gowen
Cory Nelson
For starters:
1) Microsoft relies on bloated advertising budgets and leveraging their
dominant market position to sell their less-than-release-candidate-quality
software.
2) They tend to _borrow_ intellectual property and turn it around for a
profit without giving credit where it's due.
3) It costs about $100 to call their tech support (beyond initial support
periods) to get answers to problems like Mike C. posted in his original
problem statement to this newsgroup. Of course, far more than that for
Enterprise Customers.
4) Shoddy, profit-driven licenses that don't even make sense. For example,
Microsoft imposes a per processor license fee on OEMs, regardless of
whether or not the box has a Microsoft O/S. This taxes small retailers in
the sense that Computer Manufacturing is a high overhead, low markup
business. The OEMs cant absorb the increased overhead.
I think much of my animosity stems from abuse of position and power as
opposed to utilitarian ethics... anyway, I'm completely rambling.
Kevin Gowen
> Kevin Gowen wrote:
>
>> Cory Nelson wrote:
>>> Darrien wrote:
>>>> Anytime someone has problems with Microsoft products, all they can
>>>> seem to say is: "Drop M$ (I'm so cool^W l337, I spelt M$ with a '$'
>>>> hur hur hur) use Linux" Without bothering to say WHY you should use
>>>> Linux.
>>>
>>> Hmmm... apparently you take things _way_ too seriously. I've
>>> contracted out to Microsoft in various forms over the course of
>>> years, and am merely using a symbolic (if not over used by some
>>> groups) representation of M$ for Microsoft, based on _my_ feelings
>>> towards the company as a whole.
>>
>> What feelings of yours does writing "MS" as "M$" represent? The
>> earth-shattering proposition that Microsoft is in business to make a
>> profit?
>>
> For starters:
>
> 1) Microsoft relies on bloated advertising budgets and leveraging
> their dominant market position to sell their
> less-than-release-candidate-quality software.
Wow. Imagine a corporation doing that in order to turn a profit. Wow.
> 2) They tend to _borrow_ intellectual property and turn it around for
> a profit without giving credit where it's due.
Wow. Is that anything like StarOffice?
> 3) It costs about $100 to call their tech support (beyond initial
> support periods) to get answers to problems like Mike C. posted in
> his original problem statement to this newsgroup. Of course, far
> more than that for Enterprise Customers.
Wow. The unmitigated gall.
> 4) Shoddy, profit-driven licenses that don't even make sense. For
> example, Microsoft imposes a per processor license fee on OEMs,
> regardless of whether or not the box has a Microsoft O/S. This taxes
> small retailers in the sense that Computer Manufacturing is a high
> overhead, low markup business. The OEMs cant absorb the increased
> overhead.
Wow. Shame on Microsoft for holding guns to people's heads in order to make
them pay license fees.
> I think much of my animosity stems from abuse of position and power as
> opposed to utilitarian ethics... anyway, I'm completely rambling.
Let me know when they start abusing their position and power.
--
Kevin Gowen
Cory Nelson
> Cory Nelson wrote:
>> Kevin Gowen wrote:
>>
>>> Cory Nelson wrote:
>>>> Darrien wrote:
>>>>> Anytime someone has problems with Microsoft products, all they can
>>>>> seem to say is: "Drop M$ (I'm so cool^W l337, I spelt M$ with a '$'
>>>>> hur hur hur) use Linux" Without bothering to say WHY you should use
>>>>> Linux.
>>>>
>>>> Hmmm... apparently you take things _way_ too seriously. I've
>>>> contracted out to Microsoft in various forms over the course of
>>>> years, and am merely using a symbolic (if not over used by some
>>>> groups) representation of M$ for Microsoft, based on _my_ feelings
>>>> towards the company as a whole.
>>>
>>> What feelings of yours does writing "MS" as "M$" represent? The
>>> earth-shattering proposition that Microsoft is in business to make a
>>> profit?
>>>
>> For starters:
>>
>> 1) Microsoft relies on bloated advertising budgets and leveraging
>> their dominant market position to sell their
>> less-than-release-candidate-quality software.
>
> Wow. Imagine a corporation doing that in order to turn a profit. Wow.
If they put out _quality_ software that was worth the price, I'd probably
say otherwise.
>
>> 2) They tend to _borrow_ intellectual property and turn it around for
>> a profit without giving credit where it's due.
>
> Wow. Is that anything like StarOffice?\
Sure - Star Office runs on Solaris, Windows and Linux, and has an outrageous
pricing and licensing scheme. Did I mention anything to make you believe
otherwise? We were talking about Microsoft.
>
>> 3) It costs about $100 to call their tech support (beyond initial
>> support periods) to get answers to problems like Mike C. posted in
>> his original problem statement to this newsgroup. Of course, far
>> more than that for Enterprise Customers.
>
> Wow. The unmitigated gall.
Exactly.
>
>> 4) Shoddy, profit-driven licenses that don't even make sense. For
>> example, Microsoft imposes a per processor license fee on OEMs,
>> regardless of whether or not the box has a Microsoft O/S. This taxes
>> small retailers in the sense that Computer Manufacturing is a high
>> overhead, low markup business. The OEMs cant absorb the increased
>> overhead.
>
> Wow. Shame on Microsoft for holding guns to people's heads in order to
> make them pay license fees.
Sorry, this just doesn't make sense. It's not that they're holding a gun to
someone's head to get license fees that they are not paying, it's holding a
gun to someone's head to make them pay for something that they're not
selling.
>
>> I think much of my animosity stems from abuse of position and power as
>> opposed to utilitarian ethics... anyway, I'm completely rambling.
>
> Let me know when they start abusing their position and power.
>
Indeed - this boils down to a difference in opinion as to what's abusive.
Kevin Gowen
What does the quality of the product matter?
>>> 2) They tend to _borrow_ intellectual property and turn it around
>>> for
>>> a profit without giving credit where it's due.
>>
>> Wow. Is that anything like StarOffice?\
>
> Sure - Star Office runs on Solaris, Windows and Linux, and has an
> outrageous pricing and licensing scheme. Did I mention anything to
> make you believe otherwise? We were talking about Microsoft.
Yes, we were. I am jsut always charmed by Linux advocates who accuse
Microsoft of impropriety regarding intellectual property yet called products
like Open Office et al. "innovation".
>>> 3) It costs about $100 to call their tech support (beyond initial
>>> support periods) to get answers to problems like Mike C. posted in
>>> his original problem statement to this newsgroup. Of course, far
>>> more than that for Enterprise Customers.
>>
>> Wow. The unmitigated gall.
>
> Exactly.
Yes. How dare they force people to pay such money.
>>> 4) Shoddy, profit-driven licenses that don't even make sense. For
>>> example, Microsoft imposes a per processor license fee on OEMs,
>>> regardless of whether or not the box has a Microsoft O/S. This
>>> taxes small retailers in the sense that Computer Manufacturing is a
>>> high overhead, low markup business. The OEMs cant absorb the
>>> increased overhead.
>>
>> Wow. Shame on Microsoft for holding guns to people's heads in order
>> to make them pay license fees.
>
> Sorry, this just doesn't make sense. It's not that they're holding a
> gun to someone's head to get license fees that they are not paying,
> it's holding a gun to someone's head to make them pay for something
> that they're not selling.
Sure it makes sense. No one is being forced to buy the box.
>>> I think much of my animosity stems from abuse of position and power
>>> as opposed to utilitarian ethics... anyway, I'm completely rambling.
>>
>> Let me know when they start abusing their position and power.
>>
> Indeed - this boils down to a difference in opinion as to what's
> abusive.
The Xbox is totally sweet.
--
Kevin Gowen
Brett Robson
>
>Kevin Gowen wrote:
>
>> Let me know when they start abusing their position and power.
>>
>Indeed - this boils down to a difference in opinion as to what's abusive.
Don't bother about Kevin, he can't understand the technical aspects and no
amount of explaining will help. Of course I am sure he doesn't know about legal
precedent, the anti-monopoly regime IBM operated under for decades.
---
"he [John Ashcroft] deliberately left Jesus out of office prayers to avoid
offending non-Christians." - Ben Shapiro 27/2/2003
Cory Nelson
I made the mistake of digging myself into the hole by posting that rather
inane opening remark, I'd better just back out of this thread, and go and
commit seppuku or something.
Cheers,
Cory
Brett Robson
please cite a reference of 'Linux advocates ... [calling] products like Open
Office et al. "innovation"'
>
>>>> 3) It costs about $100 to call their tech support (beyond initial
>>>> support periods) to get answers to problems like Mike C. posted in
>>>> his original problem statement to this newsgroup. Of course, far
>>>> more than that for Enterprise Customers.
>>>
>>> Wow. The unmitigated gall.
>>
>> Exactly.
>
>Yes. How dare they force people to pay such money.
monopoly
>> Sorry, this just doesn't make sense. It's not that they're holding a
>> gun to someone's head to get license fees that they are not paying,
>> it's holding a gun to someone's head to make them pay for something
>> that they're not selling.
>
>Sure it makes sense. No one is being forced to buy the box.
Brilliant, "no one is forced to buy a computer", pure Gowan genius.
Brett Robson
>
>I made the mistake of digging myself into the hole by posting that rather
>inane opening remark, I'd better just back out of this thread, and go and
>commit seppuku or something.
>
No need to go that far. Don't let someone who thinks that Gates is responsible
for the success of the PC get to you. Dismissing intelligent people as "geeks"
is a convenient way for him to excuse his own ignorance.
Darrien
> > ...
> > Anytime someone has problems with Microsoft products, all they can seem to
> > say is: "Drop M$ (I'm so cool^W l337, I spelt M$ with a '$' hur hur hur)
> > use Linux" Without bothering to say WHY you should use Linux.
>
> Hmmm... apparently you take things _way_ too seriously. I've contracted out
> to Microsoft in various forms over the course of years, and am merely using
> a symbolic (if not over used by some groups) representation of M$ for
> Microsoft, based on _my_ feelings towards the company as a whole. By doing
> so, I'm certainly not implying that you, or anyone else read anything into
> it beyond that.
>
If you don't want people thinking you're a typical hippie Linux zealot,
don't use their lingo.
> Frankly, I'd prefer not even respond to such a blatant attack of character
> as yours
>
So why DID you respond then?
> (and therefore pollute the flij message boards with some drawn out
> TCO/CBA of *NIX vs Windows, or why one O/S is better than the other).
>
Interesting...
Please quote me where I said that one OS was better than another
or where I said ANYTHING AT ALL about TCO/CBA
> > It's like a religious thing, they have to convert the heathens from their
> > dark ways.
> >
> > Hey Cory, if I ever meet you in real life, well... let me draw a situation
> > for you.
> >
> > Let's assume you are an auto mechanic (I know I'm giving you too much
> > credit here but still, bear with me)
>
> I'm not an auto mechanic. Nor would I care to be. I'm a Software Engineer.
>
You sure fooled me
> > I come in and say "I'm having problems with my Chevy and..."
> > you say "Dude, AmeriKKKan cars suXX0rz. You need to buy an import"
> > at that point I take a step back and a deep breath.
> >
> > I then swing back, and kick you in the balls SO **FUCKING** hard, that
> > if they didn't shatter into a million pieces right then and there, you'd
> > spend the next 16 hours of your life having them surgically removed from
> > your throat.
>
> All I can assume is that you've got problems, buddy.
>
I'm not your "buddy"
> > No one will take Linux seriously or even bother to try it out if they
> > think that everyone
> > that uses Linux is some unshaven unwashed hippie or pillow biting acne
> > infested nerd.
>
> What part of 'Drop M$, use Linux' made you assume that I'm unshavened,
> and/or a hippie?
>
The part where you said "Drop M$, use Linux"
> I'm liberal, but not a hippie... though I do have a big zit I'd like to pop
all over you.
>
You should bathe more often, acne can be prevented with proper hygine.
> > Alan Cox, coder of the TCP/IP stack Linux uses: http://tinyurl.com/elq2
> >
> > RMS, My sworn enemy and mastermind behind the GNU: http://tinyurl.com/elq5
>
> I'm not much of a Stallman fan either, actually.
>
I never said you were, I could tell you weren't a Stallman fan from your
original post.
> > Eric bin Raymond: Self proclaimed "Geek". First class redneck and right
> > hand man to RMS:
> > http://tinyurl.com/elq7
> >
> > and finally
> >
> > Linus Torvalds: *THE* man. Coder of the Linux kernel and suprisingly very
> > pragmatic.
> > "Use the right tool for the job" is his mont famous saying.
> > If more linux users were like him I might've used it instead of FreeBSD.
>
> I have no beef with any of the BSDs, nor did I imply such in my post.
> Just for you, I'll revise my original post to read:
> "Drop Microsoft, use Linux (and/or a Berkeley derived UNIX)."
>
How does this help Mike fix his computer?
Michael Cash
going with:
>Michael Cash wrote:
>
>> For the first time, I have gotten pissed off enough to actually throw
>> computer parts about and smash them. My keyboard is missing the little
>> legs that prop it up at a comfortable angle now.
>>
>> After installing the wonderful XP operating system and enjoying its
>> wonderful stability for several days....I now find that it has decided
>> it no longer knows where either of my CD drives are, and the stability
>> issue extends to its steadfastness in refusing to recognize them.
>>
>> Any advice?
>>
>
>Drop M$. Use Linux.
http://bbspot.com/News/2000/9/linux_laid.html
--
Michael Cash
"There was a time, Mr. Cash, when I believed you must be the most useless
thing in the world. But that was before I read a Microsoft help file."
Prof. Ernest T. Bass
Mount Pilot College