What is the point of Asuka?
Richard Qunt
What point is there to Asuka even being in the series at all, except as a
love interest for Shinji and a foil for Rei?
All she ever seems to do is stand there whining and bitching and
occasionally getting badly beaten in her Eva. I cannot think of a single
time when she ever actually does anything useful or helpful. It seems like
she was only added so that Gainax would have another bishoujo besides Rei
and Misato to sell toys and posters of.
She also has a voice that sounds a lot like fingernails on a blackboard.
Seriously - this girl has to be the most annoying character ever. I actually
found myself cheering during the scenes where she is getting her ass handed
to her (though she never seems to learn from the experiences).
The first few eps when it was just Shinji, Rei and Misato were great - I
think that the additon of Asuka spoiled the series, turning it into another
Tenchi Muyo style comedy for a while. It took a long time to recover.
Rudolf Polzer
> I have been watching Evangelion recently and asking myself this question.
> What point is there to Asuka even being in the series at all, except as a
> love interest for Shinji and a foil for Rei?
They (GAINAX) just wanted to show what they think of people like me - Germans.
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Nockermensch
> I have been watching Evangelion recently and asking myself this question.
> What point is there to Asuka even being in the series at all, except as a
> love interest for Shinji and a foil for Rei?
>
> All she ever seems to do is stand there whining and bitching and
> occasionally getting badly beaten in her Eva. I cannot think of a single
> time when she ever actually does anything useful or helpful. It seems like
> she was only added so that Gainax would have another bishoujo besides Rei
> and Misato to sell toys and posters of.
That's a very good way to putting it.
> She also has a voice that sounds a lot like fingernails on a blackboard.
> Seriously - this girl has to be the most annoying character ever. I actually
> found myself cheering during the scenes where she is getting her ass handed
> to her (though she never seems to learn from the experiences).
>
> The first few eps when it was just Shinji, Rei and Misato were great - I
> think that the additon of Asuka spoiled the series, turning it into another
> Tenchi Muyo style comedy for a while. It took a long time to recover.
Yes, it was on purpose.
Mind you, Asuka is supposed to be Shinji's "main" romantic interest.
Misato loves Shinji, but not THAT way, while Rei is a clone of his
mother.
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>
> I have been watching Evangelion recently and asking myself this question.
> What point is there to Asuka even being in the series at all, except as a
> love interest for Shinji and a foil for Rei?
Maybe those are the point. Mind you when I watched the first
few episodes I couldn't figure out what the point of _Shinji_ being
in the series was.
Amani
> What point is there to Asuka even being in the series at all, except as a
> love interest for Shinji and a foil for Rei?
I've always thought of Shinji, Asuka, and Rei as three points on a spectrum
of dealing with emotional trouble. Asuka and Rei are on opposite ends, with
Shinji somewhere in the middle.
Asuka is entirely, extremely human. She's a broken individual. Her mother
hung herself (with Asuka walking in and finding it while she was very
young), her father and stepmother didn't have time for her or didn't really
care. No, she's not the nicest person. You expect her to be normal with her
past? However, she does manage to focus her life enough to be a damn good
pilot.
She's not a perfect person. She's not even average. She can be a real bitch.
(I've always found Asuka's physical abuse to be wildly exaggerrated in
fanfiction.) However, there's not a lack of explanation as to her behavior.
Is this an excuse? No, of course not. Asuka, like everyone else in the
series, needs some serious therapy and has some definite issues. But she
wasn't made a bitch for the sake of having a character to verbally abuse
Shinji or to give some humor to the series. There are definite, realistic
reasons she acts the way she does. She's a disturbed, problematic girl who
has spent a good chunk of her life training to be the best. I'd guess she
didn't get much of a childhood because of this. She's a desperate person
hanging on to some ounce of pride. And we know what happens when she loses
this. She breaks. She's human.
I'll always jump to defend Asuka, as she's one of my favorite characters
ever just because she's so human and I can recognize exactly why she acts
the way she does and can see some of her defensive problems in myself. She's
too often just blown off as a bitch without people even bothering to wonder
why she acts the way she does. Jeez, sorry if she's more offensive than the
ever-stoic Rei.
--Taryn
AstroNerdBoy
There's a reason she's that way. I don't know if you've seen the
entire series or not, so I won't spoil it. In the Japanese version,
she's not nearly as annoying (IMO) but she is designed to be the
spoiled brat. And I would agree that she's partly there to have
another sexy female character on screen. :-P
As for her getting beat up...watch "End of Evangelion". >:-D
Ethan Hammond
cause she was more like a real human woman than
a lot of girls in anime. ^_- Sure those nice cutsey
girls must exsist somewhere, right, RIGHT????
*SHAKES FIST* To the secret catgirl building
lab, AWAY!!!! *SCAMPERS OFF*
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Richard Qunt
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> Mind you, Asuka is supposed to be Shinji's "main" romantic interest.
> Misato loves Shinji, but not THAT way, while Rei is a clone of his
> mother.
Though if you watch EoE:
- He shared a passionate kiss with Misato.
- He screwed Rei.
- He tried to strangle Asuka twice. :)
Richard Qunt
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> Asuka is entirely, extremely human. She's a broken individual. Her mother
> hung herself (with Asuka walking in and finding it while she was very
> young), her father and stepmother didn't have time for her or didn't
really
> care. No, she's not the nicest person. You expect her to be normal with
her
> past?
No, but I wouldn't expect them to be complete cyphers either. ^_^
> However, she does manage to focus her life enough to be a damn good
> pilot.
Maybe in terms of her synch scores. In actual combat, she's much weaker than
Shinji or Rei. She's a pretty crappy pilot really.
> She's not a perfect person. She's not even average. She can be a real
bitch.
> (I've always found Asuka's physical abuse to be wildly exaggerrated in
> fanfiction.) However, there's not a lack of explanation as to her
behavior.
"I hate my parents". It's the same reason that just about everyone uses. The
rest of the cast is not so one dimensional because of this.
> Is this an excuse? No, of course not. Asuka, like everyone else in the
> series, needs some serious therapy and has some definite issues. But she
> wasn't made a bitch for the sake of having a character to verbally abuse
> Shinji or to give some humor to the series. There are definite, realistic
> reasons she acts the way she does. She's a disturbed, problematic girl who
> has spent a good chunk of her life training to be the best. I'd guess she
> didn't get much of a childhood because of this. She's a desperate person
> hanging on to some ounce of pride. And we know what happens when she loses
> this. She breaks. She's human.
This may be the case, but you have not answered my question. Why is she even
in the show in the first place - when she doesn't actually *do* anything?
> I'll always jump to defend Asuka, as she's one of my favorite characters
> ever just because she's so human and I can recognize exactly why she acts
> the way she does and can see some of her defensive problems in myself.
She's
> too often just blown off as a bitch without people even bothering to
wonder
> why she acts the way she does. Jeez, sorry if she's more offensive than
the
> ever-stoic Rei.
I like the way that Rei always comes out on top in any situation with Asuka,
making her look like the whiny child she is. Rei doesn't need to say much -
during her tantrums, she just gives Asuka enough rope to hang herself then
cuts her down with a word. It's the difference between being a woman and
being a girl.
Rei is probably the most intelligant character in the series.
Richard Qunt
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> There's a reason she's that way. I don't know if you've seen the
> entire series or not, so I won't spoil it. In the Japanese version,
> she's not nearly as annoying (IMO) but she is designed to be the
> spoiled brat. And I would agree that she's partly there to have
> another sexy female character on screen. :-P
Though she's not actually that sexy. She's scrawny and gangly-looking. She's
a lot more lolicon-style than the other women. Misato is sexy. Rei is
unbelievably sexy. Asuka just looks like a little girl to me.
> As for her getting beat up...watch "End of Evangelion". >:-D
Wonder if those whale-headed guys got indigestion?
Frank White
Whenever anyone asks me if I think they'd like Evangelion, I always
advise them to watch an episode that's got Asuka in it, first. If
they can't stand Asuka, then Evangelion will be a torment to them...
Anyway. What is the point of Asuka.
Asuka is Shinji's mirror image. They've both suffered unbearable loss
way too young, and been abandoned in their time of need. But while
Shinji has coped with this by becoming self effacing to the point he's
almost ceased to exist, Asuka responded by looking the world in the
eye and saying, "The Hell with you. I don't need ANYBODY!" She's
pushed herself relentlessly to succeed ever since, a tortured broken
thing trying to keep moving through sheer force of will and momentum.
Asuka is a testimony to how much humanity can suffer, and still go
on. She's loud, she's rude, she's obnoxious, she's incredibly
vulnerable and fragile for all her apparent strength, and that she
can take all she does and goes on is a paean to humanity.
And then she breaks. And falls apart.
Only to demonstrate in EoE that, as long as there's life, there IS hope...
FW
Thomas Edge
I'll start by saying that I'm not a huge fan of Eva but I do agree that when
the Raging Redhead first turns up it dampened by interest for it all a few
more notches.
Anyway a Phsycologist Friend of mine reckons that Anno was representing the
three personality traits through his three main leads:
Shinji = ID (doubts, self loathing etc)
Rei = Ego (existience)
Asuka = SuperEgo (assertiveness, agression etc)
Someone who knows more about thse three states may want to comment but I
think it was that wat around
regards
Tom
Josh Dull
> I have been watching Evangelion recently and asking myself this question.
> What point is there to Asuka even being in the series at all, except as a
> love interest for Shinji and a foil for Rei?
That is the point, more or less. She's also the mirror image of Shinji in
that both
have had events in their childhood involving their parents that left them
scarred
psychologically. Shinji reacts by withdrawing and calling himself worthless
while
Asuka reacts by becoming very extroverted and flaunting her worth.
Plus it doesn't hurt that she's cute and fascinating to watch.
Josh
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>Plus it doesn't hurt that she's cute and fascinating to watch.
Rei is cuter.
Rei is more fascinating.
^_^
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>Whenever anyone asks me if I think they'd like Evangelion, I always
>advise them to watch an episode that's got Asuka in it, first. If
>they can't stand Asuka, then Evangelion will be a torment to them...
Still, they can keep watching just to see Asuka's final humiliation
and fairly amusing breakdown.
Or buy the movie and see her get eaten. And strangled...
Twice.
<snip>
>And then she breaks. And falls apart.
>
>Only to demonstrate in EoE that, as long as there's life, there IS hope...
For the MP Eva's? ^_^
Adam Haun
<jaf...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>Anyway a Phsycologist Friend of mine reckons that Anno was representing the
>three personality traits through his three main leads:
>
>Shinji = ID (doubts, self loathing etc)
>Rei = Ego (existience)
>Asuka = SuperEgo (assertiveness, agression etc)
>
>Someone who knows more about thse three states may want to comment but I
>think it was that wat around
That's an interesting idea, but you have them mixed up. Rei is the
superego, controlled and emotionless. Asuka is the id, pure primal
desire. Shinji is the ego, halfway between, with some aspects of both.
I wonder if that would mean anything in terms of the Rei/Asuka/Misato
group?
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Thanks Adam I think you are right, I couldn't remember the sequence clearly
just the concept thanks for correcting me on this
regards
Tom
Robert Geiger
Does Asuka want Shinji? Yes. As her punching bag.
Adam Haun
(Ken Arromdee) wrote:
>In article <3f25a10c...@news.houston.sbcglobal.net>,
>Adam Haun <ad...@mail.rit.edu> wrote:
>>That's an interesting idea, but you have them mixed up. Rei is the
>>superego, controlled and emotionless. Asuka is the id, pure primal
>>desire. Shinji is the ego, halfway between, with some aspects of both.
>>
>>I wonder if that would mean anything in terms of the Rei/Asuka/Misato
>>group?
>
>I seriously think people are overanalyzing Evangelion.
Of course, but I'm still close enough to high school English class
that it's sometimes fun.
Besides, analyses often reveal more about the analyzer than the show,
and real people are far more fun to talk about than fictional
characters.
Eric Moore
I'd always imagined their personalities were elemental:
Shinji -> Air. You always see him in a sky background in the opening, and he
has the least "substantial" personality of the team.
Asuka -> Fire (of course). A hot-tempered redhead, even her plug-suit and EVA
are red.
Rei -> Water. Placid. Mysterious. Note that her, and all her clone kin
were grown in a tank of liquid in NERV's basement.
Then there was the 4th EVA pilot (I forgot his name). I suspect he would
have been an "earth" type personality who would have been a much-needed
stabilizing factor in the team.
But stability isn't entertaining, so his piloting career was cut short
when his EVA was infected by an angel, and he had to face the wrath of Shinji's
dummy-plug-controlled EVA unit. Just a thought.
Hand-of-Omega
> What point is there to Asuka even being in the series at all, except as a
> love interest for Shinji and a foil for Rei?
>
> All she ever seems to do is stand there whining and bitching and
> occasionally getting badly beaten in her Eva. I cannot think of a single
> time when she ever actually does anything useful or helpful.
How far have you seen? They couldn't have beaten the "Loch Ness Angel"
in her first appearance without her...Shinji couldn't have won alone
in the "Dance like you want to win" ep...she played a valuable (and
painful) part in shielding the others so they could take out the
burrowing Angel...and of course, there's "Magma Diver", which I've yet
to find out why it's so infamous...^^
>
> She also has a voice that sounds a lot like fingernails on a blackboard.
> Seriously - this girl has to be the most annoying character ever. I actually
> found myself cheering during the scenes where she is getting her ass handed
> to her (though she never seems to learn from the experiences).
>
Ever watch El-Hazard? You'll feel twice as strongly about Fatora, and
with much more reason!
> The first few eps when it was just Shinji, Rei and Misato were great - I
> think that the additon of Asuka spoiled the series, turning it into another
> Tenchi Muyo style comedy for a while. It took a long time to recover.
I felt the exact opposite. When the series focused on two such
(outwardly) passive characters as Shinji and Rei, it really got bogged
down. Asuka added some much-needed dynamism to the show, got things
jumping. Of course, she eventually gets bogged down, too!^^
Dex,
wondering if Asuka's "mind-rape" will be in the LA movie...
Blade
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<snip>
>> She also has a voice that sounds a lot like fingernails on a
>> blackboard. Seriously - this girl has to be the most annoying
>> character ever. I actually found myself cheering during the scenes
>> where she is getting her ass handed to her (though she never seems
>> to learn from the experiences).
>>
> Ever watch El-Hazard? You'll feel twice as strongly about Fatora,
> and with much more reason!
Or you'll realise she's one of the coolest, most entertaining characters
on the show, like all right-thinking people should. ;p
Blade
Chibi-Light
<r.c....@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I have been watching Evangelion recently and asking myself this question.
>What point is there to Asuka even being in the series at all, except as a
>love interest for Shinji and a foil for Rei?
No, I think the real reason Asuka is in Eva is so that fanboys all
around the world can get into long drawn out arguements over which one
is better. This trend goes back ages, such as Akane or Ryoko,
Scarlett or Baroness, and even Daphney or Velma.
CL
Ethan Hammond
>
> >I have been watching Evangelion recently and asking myself this question.
> >What point is there to Asuka even being in the series at all, except as a
> >love interest for Shinji and a foil for Rei?
>
> No, I think the real reason Asuka is in Eva is so that fanboys all
> around the world can get into long drawn out arguements over which one
> is better. This trend goes back ages, such as Akane or Ryoko,
> Scarlett or Baroness, and even Daphney or Velma.
SCARLETT!!!!
Chibi-Light
(Chibi-Light) wrote:
>On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 03:23:48 +0100, "Richard Qunt"
><r.c....@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>I have been watching Evangelion recently and asking myself this question.
>>What point is there to Asuka even being in the series at all, except as a
>>love interest for Shinji and a foil for Rei?
>
>No, I think the real reason Asuka is in Eva is so that fanboys all
>around the world can get into long drawn out arguements over which one
>is better. This trend goes back ages, such as Ayeka or Ryoko,
>Scarlett or Baroness, and even Daphney or Velma.
*waves his hands trying to distract everyone while he rewrites that
post to say Ayeka*
CL
Chibi-Light
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>"Chibi-Light" <chibiw...@YUM-SPAM.yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> >I have been watching Evangelion recently and asking myself this question.
>> >What point is there to Asuka even being in the series at all, except as a
>> >love interest for Shinji and a foil for Rei?
>>
>> No, I think the real reason Asuka is in Eva is so that fanboys all
>> around the world can get into long drawn out arguements over which one
>> is better. This trend goes back ages, such as Akane or Ryoko,
>> Scarlett or Baroness, and even Daphney or Velma.
>
>SCARLETT!!!!
BARONESS!!!!!
CL
Adrian Martin
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<snip>
> Asuka -> Fire (of course). A hot-tempered redhead, even her plug-suit
> and EVA
> are red.
In the context of the Magmadiver Episode, this makes some sense, too...
>
> Rei -> Water. Placid. Mysterious. Note that her, and all her
> clone kin
> were grown in a tank of liquid in NERV's basement.
Not to mention that she likes to swim.
>
>
> Then there was the 4th EVA pilot (I forgot his name). I suspect
> he would
> have been an "earth" type personality who would have been a
> much-needed stabilizing factor in the team.
Touji.
> But stability isn't entertaining, so his piloting career was cut
> short
> when his EVA was infected by an angel, and he had to face the wrath of
> Shinji's dummy-plug-controlled EVA unit. Just a thought.
>
Interesting analysis. I never thought about it that way before. Of
course, I doubt Anno did either (conciously, anyway). =P
-Adrian
Adrian Martin
> She also has a voice that sounds a lot like fingernails on a
> blackboard. Seriously - this girl has to be the most annoying
> character ever. I actually found myself cheering during the scenes
> where she is getting her ass handed to her (though she never seems to
> learn from the experiences).
>
Sub or Dub? I think Miyamura Yuko's voice is pretty good (check her out in
Hyper Police), and not at all irritating, while obviously showing how
haughty her character is supposed to be. Tiffany Grant, on the other
hand...
-Adrian
Chika
Ken Arromdee <arro...@violet.rahul.net> wrote:
> I seriously think people are overanalyzing Evangelion.
Doesn't that always happen with anything remotely mecha based? Come to
think of it, some other forms get the same treatment too!
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> In article <bg4mcu$6qa$1...@blue.rahul.net>,
> Ken Arromdee <arro...@violet.rahul.net> wrote:
>
>>I seriously think people are overanalyzing Evangelion.
>
> Doesn't that always happen with anything remotely mecha based?
Never seen it done with (1) Vandread, (2) Mazinger Z, (3) Macross...
- 5parrow
Chika
5parrowhawk <remove...@nathuangatsingnet.com.sg> wrote:
> >>I seriously think people are overanalyzing Evangelion.
> >
> > Doesn't that always happen with anything remotely mecha based?
> Never seen it done with (1) Vandread, (2) Mazinger Z, (3) Macross...
Look back through the archives for raam. I'm pretty sure I've seen
plenty...
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Richard Qunt <r.c....@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I have been watching Evangelion recently and asking myself this question.
> What point is there to Asuka even being in the series at all, except as a
> love interest for Shinji and a foil for Rei?
>
balence or oposite. They've both suffered from parental loss and neglect,
but have moved in very different directions. She's invessed all her self
worth in being a pilot while Shingi became passive without self worth. She's
Shingi's foil, not Rei's
> All she ever seems to do is stand there whining and bitching and
> occasionally getting badly beaten in her Eva. I cannot think of a single
> time when she ever actually does anything useful or helpful. It seems like
> she was only added so that Gainax would have another bishoujo besides Rei
> and Misato to sell toys and posters of.
Usefull? At least her failures were not for lack of trying. Shingi was
pretty useless most of the time too. Half the time his Eva bailed him out.
Lets be honest, if you were preparing for a battle to save the human race
would you let ANY of these pychological trainwrecks be involved?
Frank White
says...
>
>
>Richard Qunt <r.c....@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> I have been watching Evangelion recently and asking myself this
question.
>> What point is there to Asuka even being in the series at all, except
as a
>> love interest for Shinji and a foil for Rei?
>>
>one of the best positions I've heard is that Auska is presented as
Shingi's
>balence or oposite. They've both suffered from parental loss and
neglect,
>but have moved in very different directions. She's invessed all her self
>worth in being a pilot while Shingi became passive without self worth.
She's
>Shingi's foil, not Rei's
That Rei hacks her off is just a happy coincidence... ^_^
>> All she ever seems to do is stand there whining and bitching and
>> occasionally getting badly beaten in her Eva. I cannot think of a
single
>> time when she ever actually does anything useful or helpful. It seems
like
>> she was only added so that Gainax would have another bishoujo besides
Rei
>> and Misato to sell toys and posters of.
>
>Usefull? At least her failures were not for lack of trying. Shingi was
>pretty useless most of the time too. Half the time his Eva bailed him
out.
>Lets be honest, if you were preparing for a battle to save the human
race
>would you let ANY of these pychological trainwrecks be involved?
The thing is, Gendo WASN'T out to save the human race...
FW
Hand-of-Omega
> > Ever watch El-Hazard? You'll feel twice as strongly about Fatora,
> > and with much more reason!
>
> Or you'll realise she's one of the coolest, most entertaining characters
> on the show, like all right-thinking people should. ;p
>
...OK, *entertaining* I'll grant, in much the same way that Kodachi or
Happosai are entertaining: fun to watch, but I wouldn't want to be in
the same room, or area code, with them...
Dex
Vaughn L.Porter
> >Usefull? At least her failures were not for lack of trying. Shingi was
> >pretty useless most of the time too. Half the time his Eva bailed him
> out.
> >Lets be honest, if you were preparing for a battle to save the human
> race
> >would you let ANY of these pychological trainwrecks be involved?
>
> The thing is, Gendo WASN'T out to save the human race...
>
> FW
>
Not in the sense that he was trying to keep mankind safe AS IS, but was
rather working to achive a forced evolutionary process (and be reunited with
his beloved wife in the process). The only difference I can see between
Gendo's plans and SEELE's plans were Gendo was trying to control the process
through Rei, while I presume SEELE just wanted it to occur on it's own
(under Rei/Lillith's command). Can't imagine SEELE was too pleased to have
Shinji put in charge of deciding the outcome. But, as the old saying goes,
"...the best laid plans of men and mice..."
Vaughn L. Porter
And I do think Asuka 'complements' Shinji
quite well.
Ethan Hammond
>
> BARONESS!!!!!
Scarlett is the second most dangerous Joe and she is doing the
most dangerous one!!!! SCARLETT!!!! *SHAKES FIST*
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>> > Ever watch El-Hazard? You'll feel twice as strongly about Fatora,
>> > and with much more reason!
>>
>> Or you'll realise she's one of the coolest, most entertaining
>> characters on the show, like all right-thinking people should. ;p
>>
> ...OK, *entertaining* I'll grant, in much the same way that Kodachi
> or Happosai are entertaining: fun to watch, but I wouldn't want to
> be in the same room, or area code, with them...
Well, yeah. And a world with Kalia in it is probably not one I'd wish to
inhabit, if for no other than my likely soon-to-be-non-inhabitance of it
(or anywhere else).
But we're talking about a character on a screen here, not someone we have
to live with. ;p Fatora is fabulously entertaining.
Of course, like all things El Hazard, she's even more entertaining
dubbed. "And when Fatora sets out to conquer a foreign tongue, it's
foreign tongue Fatora gets!"
Blade
Gillian von Karmann
> I have been watching Evangelion recently and asking myself this question.
> What point is there to Asuka even being in the series at all, except as a
> love interest for Shinji and a foil for Rei?
>
> All she ever seems to do is stand there whining and bitching and
> occasionally getting badly beaten in her Eva. I cannot think of a single
> time when she ever actually does anything useful or helpful. It seems like
> she was only added so that Gainax would have another bishoujo besides Rei
> and Misato to sell toys and posters of.
>
> She also has a voice that sounds a lot like fingernails on a blackboard.
> Seriously - this girl has to be the most annoying character ever. I actually
> found myself cheering during the scenes where she is getting her ass handed
> to her (though she never seems to learn from the experiences).
>
> The first few eps when it was just Shinji, Rei and Misato were great - I
> think that the additon of Asuka spoiled the series, turning it into another
> Tenchi Muyo style comedy for a while. It took a long time to recover.
Souryuu Asuka Langley is a *living*, *REAL*, character.
Ayanami Rei is just an ayatsuri ningyou, after all. That's that.
Regards,
watakushi.
Frank White
says...
>
>smili...@hotmail.com (Hand-of-Omega) wrote in
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>
>> Blade <kumo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:<Xns93C747FBC...@66.185.95.104>...
>>> smili...@hotmail.com (Hand-of-Omega) wrote in
>>> news:27420f11.03072...@posting.google.com:
>>>
>>
>>> > Ever watch El-Hazard? You'll feel twice as strongly about Fatora,
>>> > and with much more reason!
>>>
>>> Or you'll realise she's one of the coolest, most entertaining
>>> characters on the show, like all right-thinking people should. ;p
>>>
>> ...OK, *entertaining* I'll grant, in much the same way that Kodachi
>> or Happosai are entertaining: fun to watch, but I wouldn't want to
>> be in the same room, or area code, with them...
>
>Well, yeah. And a world with Kalia in it is probably not one I'd wish to
>inhabit, if for no other than my likely soon-to-be-non-inhabitance of it
>(or anywhere else).
Ah heck, sure you would.
Especially if you were Kalia's master, and you knew to keep her far
away from the Trigger...
>But we're talking about a character on a screen here, not someone we have
>to live with. ;p Fatora is fabulously entertaining.
Can't deny that she definately gets your attention when she's on
screen.
I still think there's more to her than we've seen, though. I mean,
when Makoto and Co. rescue her from the Bugrom and bring her back
to the Palace, everyone actually seems glad to see her. That may
just be for Rune Venus' sake, or because with her there they can
finally use the Eye; but I have to think Fatora may not be as
much of a rhymes-with-witch as we see her being, most of the time.
>Of course, like all things El Hazard, she's even more entertaining
>dubbed. "And when Fatora sets out to conquer a foreign tongue, it's
>foreign tongue Fatora gets!"
"Let's shake the dew off this lily!"
^_^
FW
Simond
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>
>
> I'd always imagined their personalities were elemental:
>
I thought there were five Far Eastern elements?
Hmmm...maybe Kaworu....
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Macross was overanalized at the time, 2nd and 3rd generation robotech even
more so. I guess because no one really knew what was going on half of the
time.
Psaiyan Prince Vegeta
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>
>"Eric Moore" <dump...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>
>>
>> I'd always imagined their personalities were elemental:
>>
><snip>
>
>I thought there were five Far Eastern elements?
>Hmmm...maybe Kaworu....
You're probably thinking of 'Captain Planet'... ^_^
Whenever I watched that, I always used to pity the small Mexican child
who was given the power of 'Heart'...
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Psaiyan Prince Vegeta <ppve...@hotmail.communism> wrote:
> >I thought there were five Far Eastern elements?
> >Hmmm...maybe Kaworu....
> You're probably thinking of 'Captain Planet'... ^_^
> Whenever I watched that, I always used to pity the small Mexican child
> who was given the power of 'Heart'...
Ahh... animation to cringe by. I was watching just such animation over the
weekend; Chuck Norris, Mr. T and so forth. Thank goodness for fast forward
and mute buttons!!!
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simond@.boredofspamnow.apocalypsecow.demon.co.uk says...
>
>
>"Eric Moore" <dump...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>
>>
>> I'd always imagined their personalities were elemental:
>>
><snip>
>
>I thought there were five Far Eastern elements?
>Hmmm...maybe Kaworu....
Let's see...
Water, fire, wood, metal, and light.
Aren't those the Eastern elements?
FW. Talking off the top of his head.
5parrowhawk
> Let's see...
>
> Water, fire, wood, metal, and light.
>
> Aren't those the Eastern elements?
>
> FW. Talking off the top of his head.
Off-hand I haven't seen Light as an element (except in Squaresoft
games). Void, OTOH, is a bona fide element AFAIK.
- 5parrow
Psaiyan Prince Vegeta
If anyone, and I mean ANYONE mentions Rei here, I will personally kill
them, eat them and make their skin into a lampshade... ¬_¬
Gillian von Karmann
> Richard Qunt wrote:
> > I have been watching Evangelion recently and asking myself this question.
> > What point is there to Asuka even being in the series at all, except as a
> > love interest for Shinji and a foil for Rei?
> Maybe those are the point. Mind you when I watched the first
> few episodes I couldn't figure out what the point of _Shinji_ being
> in the series was.
Now, when someone comes tell you that your IQ is even much smaller than it
has ever seemed, you will have no right to be angry at them.
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> Frank White wrote:
Fire, Water, Metal, Wood and *Earth*, FYI.
P.S.: Ever been to a decent public library?
Not only because of your lazy teachers, I mean.
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>
> David Johnston <rgo...@telusplanet.net> wrote in message news:<3F24C1...@telusplanet.net>...
>
> > Richard Qunt wrote:
>
> > > I have been watching Evangelion recently and asking myself this question.
> > > What point is there to Asuka even being in the series at all, except as a
> > > love interest for Shinji and a foil for Rei?
>
>
> > Maybe those are the point. Mind you when I watched the first
> > few episodes I couldn't figure out what the point of _Shinji_ being
> > in the series was.
>
> Now, when someone comes tell you that your IQ is even much smaller than it
> has ever seemed, you will have no right to be angry at them.
>
Because I dislike Shinji? I think you'll need better justification than
that.
THM
news:10raivg34gmtn6vst...@4ax.com:
> On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 18:34:11 GMT, "Josh Dull" <cd...@woh.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Plus it doesn't hurt that she's cute and fascinating to watch.
>
> Rei is cuter.
> Rei is more fascinating.
>
> ^_^
Absolutely.
- THM
Chris Mattern
>
On the other hand, when Musashi wrote the Book of Five Rings, his
"Rings" (elements) were Air, Water, Fire, Earth and Void.
Chris Mattern
Hand-of-Omega
> smili...@hotmail.com (Hand-of-Omega) wrote in
> news:27420f11.03072...@posting.google.com:
>
> > Blade <kumo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:<Xns93C747FBC...@66.185.95.104>...
> >> smili...@hotmail.com (Hand-of-Omega) wrote in
> >> news:27420f11.03072...@posting.google.com:
> >>
>
> >> > Ever watch El-Hazard? You'll feel twice as strongly about Fatora,
> >> > and with much more reason!
> >>
> >> Or you'll realise she's one of the coolest, most entertaining
> >> characters on the show, like all right-thinking people should. ;p
> >>
> > ...OK, *entertaining* I'll grant, in much the same way that Kodachi
> > or Happosai are entertaining: fun to watch, but I wouldn't want to
> > be in the same room, or area code, with them...
>
> Well, yeah. And a world with Kalia in it is probably not one I'd wish to
> inhabit, if for no other than my likely soon-to-be-non-inhabitance of it
> (or anywhere else).
>
> But we're talking about a character on a screen here, not someone we have
> to live with. ;p Fatora is fabulously entertaining.
>
to On]
Oh, yeah, you're right!
> Of course, like all things El Hazard, she's even more entertaining
> dubbed. "And when Fatora sets out to conquer a foreign tongue, it's
> foreign tongue Fatora gets!"
>
Another line of hers that really cracked me up was after she
sneak-kissed Shayla-Shayla, and said something about her being "not a
bad score"!
Dex,
wondering how many years till Adult Swim can handle El-Hazard...
Hans Holm
Gillian von Karmann <vonka...@yahoo.com> skrev i
diskussionsgruppsmeddelandet:32fc108e.03073...@posting.google.com
...
>
> Fire, Water, Metal, Wood and *Earth*, FYI.
Earth, Water, Air, Fire and Akasha ("Ether", according to my
sources, but I suppose "Void" is an equally approximate translation.)
Frank White
vonka...@yahoo.com says...
All I needed to know, I learned from anime.
^_^
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Gillian von Karmann
One may say that the Greek word "Aithêr"(air from the heights) is more or less
equivalent to the Sanskrit word Âkasha. I don't see how the whole idea of
"void" could be considered as a good synonym for Âkasha or Aithêr, except
in the intellectually-perverted environment of the "rational"
materialistic way of viewing the world.
Watakushi.
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Sauka
turn away from being a yawn fest of misato crying and thinking god
hates her, rei wispering out a few words every 5 episodes and shinji
runing away on a subway every 2 episodes while staring at the floor
for hours. she riles it all up and makes it interesting, she's ultra
hot and is the best dam pilot in the series the only thing shinji has
over her is the eva-01 test type which flips out convenientley and
saves his ass ( satchiel ( ist one ) sureal ( the one unit 1 goes
berserk on ) and a bunch of other ones im to tired to go into. in the
final eva movie we see asuka woop seriouse ass and show what she can
do fight fairly against and enemy without needing her eva to go god
like and save her ass. of course she is defeated in the end ( wouldnt
be much of a movie if she won would it? ) but not before she beats the
shit outa the eva series. did i mention she is hot? she adds a mystery
that isnt just plain confusing to thoughs who havent watched the
seriouse over and over like with rei's past. all and all asuka is the
bad ass of the universe that was cripled by being prematurley thrusted
into an adult position and not being able to cope with it. o and did i
mention she was hot?
Sauka- Dark Lilum
Chika
Sauka <nuke...@cs.com> wrote:
> asuka is like salt of french fries...
Hope your shift key recovers soon...
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> Seriously - this girl has to be the most annoying character ever. I actually
> found myself cheering during the scenes where she is getting her ass handed
> to her (though she never seems to learn from the experiences).
Don't let her voice actress hear you say that. I met Tiffany Grant yesterday at
AFO and she's pretty nice in person.
Psaiyan Prince Vegeta
wrote:
>Don't let her voice actress hear you say that. I met Tiffany Grant yesterday at
>AFO and she's pretty nice in person.
Does she sound anything like Asuka in real life?
Frank White
ppve...@hotmail.communism says...
>
>On Sun, 03 Aug 2003 01:04:15 GMT, "Dean Siren" <dea...@earthlink.net>
>wrote:
>
>>Don't let her voice actress hear you say that. I met Tiffany Grant
yesterday at
>>AFO and she's pretty nice in person.
>
>Does she sound anything like Asuka in real life?
Does she LOOK anything like Asuka in real life?
FW
Hand-of-Omega
Older, with glasses, but yes! You can hear Asuka in her voice, but
it's exaggerated. A couple of Anime Centrals ago, she showed up at the
party my club threw, wearing a fan-made plugsuit, no less! Some people
thought she was just a cosplayer until she started using Asuka's voice
(when taking pictures, I had her say "What are you, stupid?"^^), at
which point they realized it was really her!
And, yes, she is pretty cool.
Dex
Richard Qunt
news:27420f11.03080...@posting.google.com...
> Older, with glasses, but yes! You can hear Asuka in her voice, but
> it's exaggerated. A couple of Anime Centrals ago, she showed up at the
> party my club threw, wearing a fan-made plugsuit, no less! Some people
> thought she was just a cosplayer until she started using Asuka's voice
> (when taking pictures, I had her say "What are you, stupid?"^^), at
> which point they realized it was really her!
Urgh. Sounds absolutely terrifying.
Where that woman is, I am not.
Richard Qunt
news:ad656ff6.03080...@posting.google.com...
Asuka is not hot (accept for her temper). I don't think that she's even that
attractive. Rei is stunning, Misato and Ritsuko are hot. Asuka just looks
like a little girl.
Richard Qunt
news:01toivcshnr61en00...@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 03 Aug 2003 01:04:15 GMT, "Dean Siren" <dea...@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Don't let her voice actress hear you say that. I met Tiffany Grant
yesterday at
> >AFO and she's pretty nice in person.
>
> Does she sound anything like Asuka in real life?
If she does, may I suggest silver bullets?
David Johnston
> Asuka is not hot (accept for her temper). I don't think that she's even that
> attractive. Rei is stunning, Misato and Ritsuko are hot. Asuka just looks
> like a little girl.
Damn, the little girls in your neighbourhood are well endowed.
Richard Qunt
> Damn, the little girls in your neighbourhood are well endowed.
Asuka is not well endowed - her boobs are like masquito bites. Apart from
one episode where she's drawn looking huge for some reason (animators mustve
been getting horny), her breasts are not much bigger than B-cups. Compare
her to Rei, who's a C/D cup and Misato's who's an E.
She also has narrow, boyish hips and a small butt.
Shez
Qunt <r.c....@hotmail.com> said:
>I have been watching Evangelion recently and asking myself this question.
>What point is there to Asuka even being in the series at all,
Fan service. Rei is there for those who want inscrutable mystery from
their anime, Asuka is there for people who like to look down girl's
tops.
Evangelion was popular because it covered all the bases - big robots,
breasts, and mystical stuff. As I watched the series I became aware of
how each episode would have either a silly jiggly plot, a dark brooding
one, or an angsty robot fighting one, depending on which of the three
Children it focussed on.
-Shez.
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> Asuka is not well endowed - her boobs are like masquito bites. Apart from
> one episode where she's drawn looking huge for some reason (animators
mustve
> been getting horny), her breasts are not much bigger than B-cups. Compare
> her to Rei, who's a C/D cup and Misato's who's an E.
>
> She also has narrow, boyish hips and a small butt.
Youre right. There's nothing special about Asuka. She is a skinny, flat
chested little skank who flaunts her little jailbait pussy to older men.
Rei is a physically and sexually perfect woman. You just can't compare them.
Frank White
Asuka as the Lone Ranger?
I'm not sure that works...
Rei as Tonto might be good, though.
(imagines Rei in tight leather buckskins...)
Uh-huh.
FW
Chika
<go...@goat.goat> wrote:
> Youre right. There's nothing special about Asuka. She is a skinny, flat
> chested little skank who flaunts her little jailbait pussy to older men.
> Rei is a physically and sexually perfect woman. You just can't compare
> them.
Always supposing you count a clone's age in the same way, Rei is no more
of a woman than Asuka is. IOW, too young, or to use your own word;
jailbait.
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Richard Qunt
news:4c1c9909...@no.spam.here...
> In article <105995675...@despina.uk.clara.net>, goat
> <go...@goat.goat> wrote:
> > Youre right. There's nothing special about Asuka. She is a skinny, flat
> > chested little skank who flaunts her little jailbait pussy to older men.
>
> > Rei is a physically and sexually perfect woman. You just can't compare
> > them.
>
> Always supposing you count a clone's age in the same way, Rei is no more
> of a woman than Asuka is. IOW, too young, or to use your own word;
> jailbait.
Though Rei psysically has the body of a 27 year old woman.
Sauka
> Older, with glasses, but yes! You can hear Asuka in her voice, but
> it's exaggerated. A couple of Anime Centrals ago, she showed up at the
> party my club threw, wearing a fan-made plugsuit, no less! Some people
> thought she was just a cosplayer until she started using Asuka's voice
> (when taking pictures, I had her say "What are you, stupid?"^^), at
> which point they realized it was really her!
>
> And, yes, she is pretty cool.
>
> Dex
I must now kill you use your skin for a costume and travel back in
time. you bastard of a human
( is the most jealouse person in the planet )
Sauka- Dark lilum
Fake Name
I was wondering when you were going to add to this thread. Your post did not
disappoint; it was a "classic" goat post.
Frank White
nuke...@cs.com says...
Wouldn't it be easier to just send her a fan letter asking for
a photo?
^_^
FW
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> In article <bgjla6$rsj$1...@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>, r.c....@hotmail.com says...
> >"Psaiyan Prince Vegeta" <ppve...@hotmail.communism> wrote
> >> wrote:
> >> >I met Tiffany Grant yesterday at
> >> >AFO and she's pretty nice in person.
> >>
> >> Does she sound anything like Asuka in real life?
> >
> >If she does, may I suggest silver bullets?
>
> Asuka as the Lone Ranger?
I think he was suggesting that she is like something that you need to
kill with silver bullets.
> I'm not sure that works...
That is a bizarre concept.
> Rei as Tonto might be good, though.
>
> (imagines Rei in tight leather buckskins...)
Rei... leather...
excuse me....
> Uh-huh.
Yes.
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Technically, the 'children' are, in a sense, a refelection of the
individual personalities we all have. Believe it or not, the End of
Evangelion sort of made the point that we all want some sort of connection.
Even Asuka wanted a connection with her mother, not to be some kind of
'doll' as her mother kept referencing Asuka as. If you watch the series as
a whole, one of the things that made Asuka the way she was, was to prove
she wasn't a doll, she was someone. Unfortunately, Asuka also personifies
pride and egotism.
Consider this, we all show a bit of sadism when we prove we are 'better'
than someone else and we fall hard when we find out we are not the best.
Asuka actually portrays the extreme part of ourselves in this respect.
Rei is the rational and focused part of our lives to the extreme as well.
We try to detach ourselves from certain things, trying to be rational or
reasonable, and Rei is literally an epitome of just that.
Shinji shows the seeking of acception, of belonging. One of the strongest
focus in the series was him wanting to be accepted by people and by his
father. Another thing to also consider, is at the beginning of End of
Evangelion, Shinji does the one handed demon over Asuka, while near the end
he tries to strangle her in both his communion with Rei and at the end.
The thing is, Shinji is a person of conflicted emotions. He does have
feelings for Asuka, as he also has feelings for Misato and Rei. However,
in human emotions, all of us have the strongest emotions for those we have
the strongest feelings for, hence his centering around Asuka in that short
reality realization. Also, remember, in the TV series mind-mess, again, it
was pictured of Asuka approaching Shinji to go to school, your typical love
interest type setting for the Japanese. (School Girl meeting Boy at his
house)
Another thing to consider is some of the other characters in the series.
Misato herself isn't a right cookie. Even in the show, Misato admits she
does the things she does because she wanted a sense of connection.
Everything in the series was about connection between human beings and the
fact that people find connections by other means, even when some of those
means hurt.
What some people fail to understand about some of the characters, is that
the fact each person there wanted some sort of connection or intimacy of
some sort. Look at how End of Evangelion ends.
The old man had an affection for Yui Ikari, he had it before and after she
got married to Gendo.
Ikari did this whole thing to see his wife again.
Maya, apparently, had a thing for Ritsuko.
The guy with the glasses had a thing for Misato
The other guy with the long hair, well... Dunno what he had in regards for
Rei.
Ritsuko apparently had a thing with Gendo, not to mention Ritsuko's mother.
Out of it all, it isn't the fact that Asuka didn't "add" anything... Asuka
is another facet that we all have and the creator had to show it. Shinji
didn't really have a sense of pride or egotism that Asuka had. If you look
at him, he only 'felt' good because he got praised and he even said himself
he only piloted it because he wanted to feel needed. Asuka piloted because
she wanted to be considered more than just a thing or a doll, and for a
person who has pride and ego, the last thing you want to be is considered a
thing.
Sauka
but then weres all the blood gore and time traveling?
Sauka
Sauka
the 4 eva pilots ( if touji were included ) if not Ill paste it from
werever I saw it (if I can find it ) its interesting stuff ya .....
wapa!
Sauka
Hand-of-Omega
> >
> I must now kill you use your skin for a costume and travel back in
> time. you bastard of a human
That's funny, why are complete strangers always telling me that?^^
> ( is the most jealouse person in the planet )
>
Good thing I didn't describe what we were doing in the pictures, then!^_~
Dex,
who didn't think plug suits could *take* that sort of thing...^^
Lord Merc
"Psaiyan Prince Vegeta" <ppve...@hotmail.communism> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 15:48:38 +0800, 5parrowhawk
> <remove...@nathuangatsingnet.com.sg> wrote:
>
> >Frank White wrote:
> >> Let's see...
> >>
> >> Water, fire, wood, metal, and light.
> >>
> >> Aren't those the Eastern elements?
> >>
> >> FW. Talking off the top of his head.
> >
> >Off-hand I haven't seen Light as an element (except in Squaresoft
> >games). Void, OTOH, is a bona fide element AFAIK.
>
> If anyone, and I mean ANYONE mentions Rei here, I will personally kill
> them, eat them and make their skin into a lampshade... ،_،
REIREIREIREIREIREIREIREI
REI
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[DFC]cOwMoO
"Amani" <am...@charter.net> wrote in message
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> > I have been watching Evangelion recently and asking myself this
question.
a
> > love interest for Shinji and a foil for Rei?
>
> I've always thought of Shinji, Asuka, and Rei as three points on a
spectrum
> of dealing with emotional trouble. Asuka and Rei are on opposite ends,
with
> Shinji somewhere in the middle.
>
> Asuka is entirely, extremely human. She's a broken individual. Her mother
> hung herself (with Asuka walking in and finding it while she was very
> young), her father and stepmother didn't have time for her or didn't
really
> care. No, she's not the nicest person. You expect her to be normal with
her
> past? However, she does manage to focus her life enough to be a damn good
> pilot.
>
> She's not a perfect person. She's not even average. She can be a real
bitch.
> (I've always found Asuka's physical abuse to be wildly exaggerrated in
> fanfiction.) However, there's not a lack of explanation as to her
behavior.
> Is this an excuse? No, of course not. Asuka, like everyone else in the
> series, needs some serious therapy and has some definite issues. But she
> wasn't made a bitch for the sake of having a character to verbally abuse
> Shinji or to give some humor to the series. There are definite, realistic
> reasons she acts the way she does. She's a disturbed, problematic girl who
> has spent a good chunk of her life training to be the best. I'd guess she
> didn't get much of a childhood because of this. She's a desperate person
> hanging on to some ounce of pride. And we know what happens when she loses
> this. She breaks. She's human.
>
> I'll always jump to defend Asuka, as she's one of my favorite characters
> ever just because she's so human and I can recognize exactly why she acts
> the way she does and can see some of her defensive problems in myself.
She's
> too often just blown off as a bitch without people even bothering to
wonder
> why she acts the way she does. Jeez, sorry if she's more offensive than
the
> ever-stoic Rei.
Extremely well said, I aplaud you.
cOwMoO
Ren Driver
representing diffrent parts of the human psyche. I just took each of them
as representing a diffrent form of mental instability. Shinji is in
rejection and just kinda accepting it, being passive. Asuka is in a form of
rejection but moves actively against it, yet hides that she reconizes it.
Rei is an example of why emotions and the ability to interact with people on
more than just a mission based level is important.
Do you mind if I borrow some of the things you said there for my Eva info
collection?
"Scott Kasai" <kei...@weNOSPAMst.net> wrote in message
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Ren Driver
the mission to try to refind the Asuka slippers for her<G>. Even got a
video of her more or less putting down one of my friends for not believing
that I knew her<G>.
Psaiyan Prince Vegeta
<kinki...@proidgy.net> wrote:
>I actually know Tif rather well. Comunicating often with her, currently on
>the mission to try to refind the Asuka slippers for her<G>. Even got a
>video of her more or less putting down one of my friends for not believing
>that I knew her<G>.
Does she ever actually shout "What are you - stupid?" when she gets
pissed off?
[DFC]cOwMoO
"Ren Driver" <kinki...@proidgy.net> wrote in message
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> I actually know Tif rather well. Comunicating often with her, currently
on
> the mission to try to refind the Asuka slippers for her<G>. Even got a
> video of her more or less putting down one of my friends for not believing
> that I knew her<G>.
Any chance of asking her to drop us a line here at JAE??
^^;
cOwMoO
Ren Driver
ya know on the yahoo groups she has a fan club.
"[DFC]cOwMoO" <cow...@bikerider.com> wrote in message
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Ren Driver
ask her to make a one-liner.
"Psaiyan Prince Vegeta" <ppve...@hotmail.communism> wrote in message
THM
> Though Rei psysically has the body of a 27 year old woman.
Is this an observation, or a complaint? ^_~
- THM