Divorce BYJW & lose your kids
Haluk Skywalker
Divorce your Japanese wife - and lose your kids
IT'S 'Bye bye, children' if you are a foreigner going through a divorce in
Japan.
Forget shared custody or visitation rights. In many cases, the foreign
spouse - especially fathers - can even forget about ever seeing their
children again.
For when an international marriage collapses there, child custody would go
to their former Japanese partners, reported The Washington Post.
Even if the wife whisks the children away, there is no legal remedy as it is
not a crime there to kidnap your own child.
Linguistics professor Sean Reedy is one foreigner who has been through it
all.
One Saturday 18 months ago, his wife just upped and left - with their three
sons.
He came home one day, and their clothes were gone.
His Japanese wife took his sons into hiding that day, preempting custody of
the boys by simple possession.
She did so, confident that Japan's customs and laws would help her keep the
children from their father.
It stunned Mr Reedy, 44, who had been in Japan for 16 years.
But in the Land of the Rising Sun, the wife gets the children in 80 to 90
per cent of the cases, according to divorce lawyers. Fathers are expected to
drop out of sight.
The school refused to tell him where they had been transferred, although
there was no allegation of abuse.
Through her attorney, his wife has let him see them three times in 18
months, but he doesn't know where they live and cannot contact them.
She sued for divorce, and he demanded frequent visitation rights.
Said Mr Reedy: 'In court, when I said I wanted to see my kids every weekend,
they laughed at me.'
Family experts say divorce carries a stigma in Japan, so ex-spouses avoid
each other. The workaholic hallmark of post-World War II Japan resulted in a
clear division of responsibility in which husbands belong to their job and
the children, to their mothers.
Mothers take total responsibility for children - they're blamed, for
instance, if their children get bad marks in school - and are expected to
retain that role after divorce.
Some experts also argue that children's loyalties are less divided if the
father is not around. It is rare for Japanese fathers, or mothers, to fight
that tradition.
When one parent in a failed marriage is a Westerner who wants continued
contact with the children, there is little legal help.
Japan ranks second, behind Mexico, in the frequency of parental abduction
cases handled by the US State Department, according to a spokesman.
NO ASSISTANCE
Even as a tenured professor and taxpayer, Mr Reedy could get no assistance
from the Japanese courts in getting his children back - or even seeing them
regularly.
Said lawyer Kensuke Onuki, who handles international divorces: 'It's a big
problem, especially for foreign men. The situation is totally different from
the US.
'There are hardly any cases where my clients are able to see their
children.'
And it's a growing problem, as international marriages increase in Japan and
the stigma of divorce declines.
In 2001, the Health Ministry recorded nearly 40,000 marriages between a
Japanese and foreigner, more than triple the number in 1980. It also counted
more than 13,000 divorces of mixed-nationality couples, nearly double that
of a decade ago.
In Japan, 'it has nothing to do with whether the kids would benefit by being
with another parent'.
Once there is a divorce, the line is cut.
That's it.
CASE #1:
Can't enforce law
THE court overturned the divorce on grounds that Mr David Brian Thomas's
wife doctored papers and forged his seal.
But Mr Thomas has been unable to see his son, Graham Hajime, since his
Japanese wife and her parents locked him out of their house in 1992.
He said: 'There's no method in Japan of enforcement. Technically, I have
won, but I have lost.
CASE #2:
Wanted by FBI
SALT Lake City lawyer Michael Gulbraa, 39, has a Utah court order for
custody of his two sons, now 12 and 13.
But his Japanese ex-wife took them to Japan in 2001.
The Japanese police know where they are, he said, but won't arrest them.
He said: 'They are wanted by the FBI and Interpol, but the (police) say
abduction by a parent is not a crime in Japan.'
CASE #3:
Caught by old law
MR ENGLE Nieman, 46, was arrested at the Osaka port and spent four months in
jail for trying to return to Holland with his 1-year-old daughter after his
wife moved in with her parents.
He was arrested under an old law against trafficking of girls for
prostitution.
He complained: 'My wife is now hiding somewhere with my daughter. She
doesn't show up for court.'
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Cindy
> Once there is a divorce, the line is cut.
> That's it.
But when you die, your child has a legal right to receive a part of your
estate or debt. Therefore, your child will be contacted no matter where
he/she is.
The 2-Belo
>Look what I found and don't piss your BYJW off:
>
>Divorce your Japanese wife - and lose your kids
The only reasonable preventive measure one can take in this situation would be
to not have kids in the first place. But I'm sure you've heard this misanthropic
crap out of me before. Mheh.
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Ryan Ginstrom
"The 2-Belo" <the2...@msd.biPOKPOKglobe.ne.jp> wrote in message
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> Haluk Skywalker and fj.life.in-japan is a baaaaaaaaaaad combination:
>
> >Look what I found and don't piss your BYJW off:
> >
> >Divorce your Japanese wife - and lose your kids
>
> The only reasonable preventive measure one can take in this situation
would be
> to not have kids in the first place.
Or abduct them yourself first? Kind of like an abduction arms race.
Wasn't a guy on here a while ago talking about how he hid his wife and kid's
passport so they couldn't take off on him?
> But I'm sure you've heard this misanthropic
> crap out of me before. Mheh.
I find it quite incredible that the linguist dude was living in Japan for 16
years yet did not know about this aspect of Japanese law until his wife took
off on him.
So as a man in Japan, if you get divorced you lose your kids but keep your
house and most of your paycheck. Unless you're a foreigner, in which case
the house is probably in her name.
A friend of mine (Japanese) got divorced. He had a child, lost all custody
but ended up owing no money to her (well, except for the loan she took out
in his name just before the divorce). The ex wife got into a pretty sorry
financial state, and as she knew he wanted to see his kid she would say,
"give me 10,000 yen and you can see him for an hour."
He did it for a while, but then after a bit she started calling on the day
of the meeting and saying, "I want 20,000 yen instead of 10,000 or you can't
see him today" and such. He got fed up, stopped talking to her, and hasn't
seen her or his kid in about 6 years now. I suppose this type of story is
fairly common.
--
Regards,
Ryan Ginstrom
mtfe...@netmapsonscape.net
> "The 2-Belo" <the2...@msd.biPOKPOKglobe.ne.jp> wrote in message
> news:3ffb6421$0$3174$df06...@news.sexzilla.net...
>> Haluk Skywalker and fj.life.in-japan is a baaaaaaaaaaad combination:
> see him today" and such. He got fed up, stopped talking to her, and hasn't
> seen her or his kid in about 6 years now. I suppose this type of story is
> fairly common.
Supposedly, Koizumi hasn't seen his daughter in over a decade.
Mike
mr.sumo snr.
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> Look what I found and don't piss your BYJW off:
>
> Divorce your Japanese wife - and lose your kids
> IT'S 'Bye bye, children' if you are a foreigner going through a divorce in
> Japan.
I wonder what the situation is for foreign wives of Japanese nationals.
Something tells me that the Japanese parent will always have the advantage.
Simple rules of course. Don't marry a 'nutter'. Don't get obsessed with
your wife taking your family name or the fact that your children will also
have a different family name. Register your child's birth in your home
country - there you can call him/her whatever you like (though for UKland
you'll need the mother's consent if the name is different). Oh yeah...and
don't marry a 'nutter'...
--
jonathan
--
"Never give a nutter to ducks"
mtfe...@netmapsonscape.net
> "Haluk Skywalker" <yokoo...@spam.net> wrote in message
> news:btf66b$6p1mb$1...@ID-201738.news.uni-berlin.de...
>> Look what I found and don't piss your BYJW off:
>> Divorce your Japanese wife - and lose your kids
>> IT'S 'Bye bye, children' if you are a foreigner going through a divorce in
>> Japan.
> I wonder what the situation is for foreign wives of Japanese nationals.
> Something tells me that the Japanese parent will always have the advantage.
Perhaps, but if the mother took off with the kids, I get the impression
there'd be little (read, NO) help from Japanese officialdom
> Simple rules of course. Don't marry a 'nutter'. Don't get obsessed with
> your wife taking your family name or the fact that your children will also
> have a different family name. Register your child's birth in your home
> country - there you can call him/her whatever you like (though for UKland
> you'll need the mother's consent if the name is different). Oh yeah...and
> don't marry a 'nutter'...
NOW he tells me...
Mike
Haluk Skywalker
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Oh, that's a relief.
Haluk Skywalker
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>
> "The 2-Belo" <the2...@msd.biPOKPOKglobe.ne.jp> wrote in message
> news:3ffb6421$0$3174$df06...@news.sexzilla.net...
> > Haluk Skywalker and fj.life.in-japan is a baaaaaaaaaaad combination:
> >
> > >Look what I found and don't piss your BYJW off:
> > >
> > >Divorce your Japanese wife - and lose your kids
> >
> > The only reasonable preventive measure one can take in this situation
> would be
> > to not have kids in the first place.
>
> Or abduct them yourself first? Kind of like an abduction arms race.
>
That sounds OK, as abducting your own children is not a crime in Japanese
law. I wonder what happens if you abduct them and take off to your homeland?
> Wasn't a guy on here a while ago talking about how he hid his wife and
kid's
> passport so they couldn't take off on him?
>
> > But I'm sure you've heard this misanthropic
> > crap out of me before. Mheh.
>
> I find it quite incredible that the linguist dude was living in Japan for
16
> years yet did not know about this aspect of Japanese law until his wife
took
> off on him.
>
I lived there 4 years and didn't know it. So I can relate to it. I guess one
does not think about bad scenarios while everything is -or seems to be, OK.
Haluk Skywalker
news:btg5i1$6t6$2...@news.Stanford.EDU...
So I got like 6 years to go to qualify being Prime Minister to Japan...
The 2-Belo
>So as a man in Japan, if you get divorced you lose your kids but keep your
>house and most of your paycheck. Unless you're a foreigner, in which case
>the house is probably in her name.
Which is precisely why, when I signed up for 30 years' worth of home loans, I
made damned sure the house deed said "Jeff Boyd" on it.
See? All bases covered. I even thought in advance to marry a woman who has
enough brains in her skull not to completely disappear on me one day, which is
how responsible adults are supposed to act. At least I was inclined to think so.
The 2-Belo
>I find it quite incredible that the linguist dude was living in Japan for 16
>years yet did not know about this aspect of Japanese law until his wife took
>off on him.
I just want to know why she took off on him at all. Unless -- as mr. sumo
mentioned -- she was a nutter from the get-go, there has to be a reason for a
human being to turn their lives (and those of their children) completely
bassackwards.
Brett Robson
>
>"Ryan Ginstrom" <gins...@hotmail.com>, iletide sunu yazdi
>news:btg2b1$6opup$1...@ID-101276.news.uni-berlin.de...
>>
>> "The 2-Belo" <the2...@msd.biPOKPOKglobe.ne.jp> wrote in message
>> news:3ffb6421$0$3174$df06...@news.sexzilla.net...
>> > Haluk Skywalker and fj.life.in-japan is a baaaaaaaaaaad combination:
>> >
>> > >Look what I found and don't piss your BYJW off:
>> > >
>> > >Divorce your Japanese wife - and lose your kids
>> >
>> > The only reasonable preventive measure one can take in this situation
>> would be
>> > to not have kids in the first place.
>>
>> Or abduct them yourself first? Kind of like an abduction arms race.
>>
>
>That sounds OK, as abducting your own children is not a crime in Japanese
>law. I wonder what happens if you abduct them and take off to your homeland?
>
That's one of those asymetrical things. Your home country probably would
consider it abduction and return the children, or at least my home country
would.
.
----
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Brett Robson
son, I believe
Ryan Ginstrom
> Ryan Ginstrom and fj.life.in-japan is a baaaaaaaaaaad combination:
>
> >I find it quite incredible that the linguist dude was living in Japan for
16
> >years yet did not know about this aspect of Japanese law until his wife
took
> >off on him.
>
> I just want to know why she took off on him at all. Unless -- as mr. sumo
> mentioned -- she was a nutter from the get-go, there has to be a reason
for a
> human being to turn their lives (and those of their children) completely
> bassackwards.
Didn't you hear? Kokusai kekkon is hard! Just ask my wife.
--
Regards,
Ryan Ginstrom
Ryan Ginstrom
> Ryan Ginstrom and fj.life.in-japan is a baaaaaaaaaaad combination:
>
> >So as a man in Japan, if you get divorced you lose your kids but keep
your
> >house and most of your paycheck. Unless you're a foreigner, in which case
> >the house is probably in her name.
>
> Which is precisely why, when I signed up for 30 years' worth of home
loans, I
> made damned sure the house deed said "Jeff Boyd" on it.
50/50 here. But the (mandatory) borrower's insurance pays 90% to the wife if
I die, 10% to me if she does. That and my life insurance policy, and I'm
worth a lot more dead than divorced.
But I know my wife would never do something like slip cyanide in my
coffee -- she knows I plan to add a couple more $100K this year.
--
Regards,
Ryan Ginstrom
Ryan Ginstrom
> >
>
> That sounds OK, as abducting your own children is not a crime in Japanese
> law. I wonder what happens if you abduct them and take off to your
homeland?
I think there are rules about taking them outside the country without the
permission of the Japanese parent. The article said it had to do with some
old law about trafficking children. I don't know if that's it, but I have
heard about foreign parents getting detained at the airport for trying to
leave the country with (half-Japanese) sprog in tow.
> I lived there 4 years and didn't know it. So I can relate to it. I guess
one
> does not think about bad scenarios while everything is -or seems to be,
OK.
True, but this story seems to be making the rounds every couple of years.
Maybe it's because journalists are recycling their material, or maybe
because a newly stationed journalist is learning all this stuff for the
first time.
At any rate, I've already seen stories similar to this one a couple of
times, and even if I hadn't, most people with reasonably large circle of
Japanese friends, or even people who watch "The Judge," should have picked
up tidbits like this one already.
--
Regards,
Ryan Ginstrom
Michael Cash
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Another in the long list of why Austrians shouldn't breed.
--
Michael Cash
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Despite what your academic advisor may have told you, there are, to the best
of our knowledge, no openings in our industry for a person with a degree in
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Human Resources
Acme Pharmeceuticals, Inc.
Michael Cash
<the2...@msd.biPOKPOKglobe.ne.jp> brought down from the Mount tablets
inscribed:
>Ryan Ginstrom and fj.life.in-japan is a baaaaaaaaaaad combination:
>
>>So as a man in Japan, if you get divorced you lose your kids but keep your
>>house and most of your paycheck. Unless you're a foreigner, in which case
>>the house is probably in her name.
>
>Which is precisely why, when I signed up for 30 years' worth of home loans, I
>made damned sure the house deed said "Jeff Boyd" on it.
>
>See? All bases covered. I even thought in advance to marry a woman who has
>enough brains in her skull not to completely disappear on me one day, which is
>how responsible adults are supposed to act.
Since the house is in your name, don't think of it as <new fjlij
in-joke candidate> loosing </new fjlij in-joke candidate> your wife;
think of it as gaining shitloads of closet space.
Michael Cash
<gins...@hotmail.com> brought down from the Mount tablets inscribed:
Let's be honest here, just for a brief and shining moment. A fair
number of Japanese women who actively seek to marry foreign men *are*
a bit nuts.
Michael Cash
<mr_...@hotmail.com> brought down from the Mount tablets inscribed:
>"Haluk Skywalker" <yokoo...@spam.net> wrote in message
>news:btf66b$6p1mb$1...@ID-201738.news.uni-berlin.de...
>> Look what I found and don't piss your BYJW off:
>>
>> Divorce your Japanese wife - and lose your kids
>> IT'S 'Bye bye, children' if you are a foreigner going through a divorce in
>> Japan.
>
>I wonder what the situation is for foreign wives of Japanese nationals.
>Something tells me that the Japanese parent will always have the advantage.
Here's a real life case being discussed on the LIFE IN JAPAN group at
the moment:
===============================================================================
Hello,
I am married to a Japanese man, and together we have three children.
After a lot of minute details, it comes down to me going back to the
States
in April BUT, then he tells me that under no uncertain terms I WILL
NOT be
taking the children with me.
As I am an early education educator, I have a number of people who
know both
me and my husband to ascertain that the children would most likely be
better
off with me.
However, my husband is a very powerful man. He is the head monk of a
temple, and will fight hard. (so much for knowing people)
What can I do. Does anyone know of any lawyers I can be referred to?
I do
have permanent residency.
If anyone can offer any advice, I would be most appreciative.
Sincerely,
Regina Splees, Kanagawa
===============================================================================
Thank you to everybody for sound advice. From these recent three e
mails I
think I have enough to get started with.
Although James, I never mentioned RUNNING AWAY to the States!!!:) I
just feel that financially, and being that I am not fluent in reading
and writing Japanese, I could offer my children so much more in the
States. I don't have faith that I will be receiving any alimony. I
had meant that I wanted to take the children with me but that he
followed up with, no you won't.
I will stay and try to work it legally, and hope that the children can
staywith me even if it has to be in Japan.
My sister, who is a lawyer in the States and has had experience with
international marriage messes is simply worried that I may be kicked
out (even from the country), denied any access whatsoever, etc.--
Only as a very last resort will I use the running away to the states
idea, but before I would do so would want to know exactly what would
happen in the worst case scenario.
Our household is not a physically violent one, but my husband has
suddenly shown his Mr. Hyde side and is not budging. The cases I
have read so far in crcjapan.com have been negative, but I am won't
give up hope.
If any pertinent info from my case pops up, I will relay that info to
the group to help out any one else in the same situation.
Thank you
Regina
================================================================================
Her husband is Head Monk at some large temple in Kanagawa, by the way.
Michael Cash
brought down from the Mount tablets inscribed:
>
>Her husband is Head Monk at some large temple in Kanagawa, by the way.
Oops! Just noticed that was in her post.
Declan Murphy
> On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 19:05:00 +0900, "Ryan Ginstrom"
> <gins...@hotmail.com> brought down from the Mount tablets inscribed:
>>Didn't you hear? Kokusai kekkon is hard! Just ask my wife.
>
> Let's be honest here, just for a brief and shining moment. A fair
> number of Japanese women who actively seek to marry foreign men *are*
> a bit nuts.
While we are being honest, much the same can be said for most of the
gaigins too.
--
I am not who I think I am
I am not who you think I am
I am who I think you think I am
...or some such shite.
Declan Murphy
> Here's a real life case being discussed on the LIFE IN JAPAN group at
> the moment:
Yahoo group I assume?
Louise Bremner
> <new fjlij in-joke candidate> loosing </new fjlij in-joke candidate>
Too subtle if it needs codes to identify it as a joke rather than the
standard mistake....
________________________________________________________________________
Louise Bremner (log at gol dot com)
If you want a reply by e-mail, don't write to my Yahoo address!
Michael Cash
<declan...@hotmail.com> brought down from the Mount tablets
inscribed:
>Michael Cash wrote:
>> On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 19:05:00 +0900, "Ryan Ginstrom"
>> <gins...@hotmail.com> brought down from the Mount tablets inscribed:
>
>>>Didn't you hear? Kokusai kekkon is hard! Just ask my wife.
>>
>> Let's be honest here, just for a brief and shining moment. A fair
>> number of Japanese women who actively seek to marry foreign men *are*
>> a bit nuts.
>
>While we are being honest, much the same can be said for most of the
>gaigins too.
I'm a bit nuts, yet have never felt the urge to marry a foreign man.
How do you explain this apparent discrepancy?
Michael Cash
<declan...@hotmail.com> brought down from the Mount tablets
inscribed:
>Michael Cash wrote:
>> Here's a real life case being discussed on the LIFE IN JAPAN group at
>> the moment:
>
>Yahoo group I assume?
Yes. You're not missing anything. Believe me.
Declan Murphy
> On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 21:38:25 +0900, Declan Murphy
> <declan...@hotmail.com> brought down from the Mount tablets
> inscribed:
>
>>Michael Cash wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 19:05:00 +0900, "Ryan Ginstrom"
>>><gins...@hotmail.com> brought down from the Mount tablets inscribed:
>>
>>>>Didn't you hear? Kokusai kekkon is hard! Just ask my wife.
>>>
>>>Let's be honest here, just for a brief and shining moment. A fair
>>>number of Japanese women who actively seek to marry foreign men *are*
>>>a bit nuts.
>>
>>While we are being honest, much the same can be said for most of the
>>gaigins too.
>
> I'm a bit nuts, yet have never felt the urge to marry a foreign man.
> How do you explain this apparent discrepancy?
You said it yourself, you are only 33% gay. Which two daze of the week
wassit?
Declan Murphy
> On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 21:45:04 +0900, Declan Murphy
> <declan...@hotmail.com> brought down from the Mount tablets
> inscribed:
>
>>Michael Cash wrote:
>>
>>>Here's a real life case being discussed on the LIFE IN JAPAN group at
>>>the moment:
>>
>>Yahoo group I assume?
>
> Yes. You're not missing anything. Believe me.
Hip flask thieving summbitch though you may be, I'll believe you.
(BTW - Tried cleaning the inside of the hip flask with spirytus yet?)
Igirisujin
have suggested marrying my Japanese gf to make life easier for me to get new
life in japan or to enable my gf to live with me in UK for longer!!news:3ffb6421$0$3174$df06...@news.sexzilla.net...
> Haluk Skywalker and fj.life.in-japan is a baaaaaaaaaaad combination:
>
> >Look what I found and don't piss your BYJW off:
> >
> >Divorce your Japanese wife - and lose your kids
>
would be
misanthropic
> crap out of me before. Mheh.
>
>
Cindy
Well, you are dead; you have nothing to worry, but.
By the time you die, you will probably have married a couple more times
and had additional children from later wives. Therefore, your latest
wife will get 50%, and the rest is divided by all children of yours.
They are supposed to get together and discuss how they divide your
estate. Most of time, it's not a very pretty sight.
Also I hear very often that a husband forgot to revise beneficiary's
name from his ex-wife to current wife and died. The ex-wife and current
wife went through a battle in court and exhausted all money on lawyers.
Michael Cash
>Michael Cash wrote:
>> On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 21:38:25 +0900, Declan Murphy
>> <declan...@hotmail.com> brought down from the Mount tablets
>> inscribed:
>>
>>>Michael Cash wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 19:05:00 +0900, "Ryan Ginstrom"
>>>><gins...@hotmail.com> brought down from the Mount tablets inscribed:
>>>
>>>>>Didn't you hear? Kokusai kekkon is hard! Just ask my wife.
>>>>
>>>>Let's be honest here, just for a brief and shining moment. A fair
>>>>number of Japanese women who actively seek to marry foreign men *are*
>>>>a bit nuts.
>>>
>>>While we are being honest, much the same can be said for most of the
>>>gaigins too.
>>
>> I'm a bit nuts, yet have never felt the urge to marry a foreign man.
>> How do you explain this apparent discrepancy?
>
>You said it yourself, you are only 33% gay. Which two daze of the week
>wassit?
Tuesdays and Thursdays. That makes it convenient to have my
blood-stained undershorts back from the dry cleaner by the weekend,
when I will need clean ones to go gallivanting amongst the wimmen.
Michael Cash
>Michael Cash wrote:
>> On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 21:45:04 +0900, Declan Murphy
>> <declan...@hotmail.com> brought down from the Mount tablets
>> inscribed:
>>
>>>Michael Cash wrote:
>>>
>>>>Here's a real life case being discussed on the LIFE IN JAPAN group at
>>>>the moment:
>>>
>>>Yahoo group I assume?
>>
>> Yes. You're not missing anything. Believe me.
>
>Hip flask thieving summbitch though you may be, I'll believe you.
>
>(BTW - Tried cleaning the inside of the hip flask with spirytus yet?)
Yes, but then I find I have to keep running my tongue down it to get
the last bits out in order to dry it, and that just tarnishes the
inside again.
Louise Bremner
> Blimey I will try not to listen to all of those people back here in UK
> who have suggested marrying my Japanese gf to make life easier for me to
> get new life in japan or to enable my gf to live with me in UK for
> longer!!
That seems to be the boilerplate advice--I got it from the guy at the
Japanese Embassy when I rang him to ask what to do (my boyfriend had a
work permit, but I didn't). I can think of more trivial reasons for
marrying, but not many.
The 2-Belo
>On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 18:01:44 +0900, The 2-Belo
><the2...@msd.biPOKPOKglobe.ne.jp> brought down from the Mount tablets
>inscribed:
>
>>Ryan Ginstrom and fj.life.in-japan is a baaaaaaaaaaad combination:
>>
>>>So as a man in Japan, if you get divorced you lose your kids but keep your
>>>house and most of your paycheck. Unless you're a foreigner, in which case
>>>the house is probably in her name.
>>
>>Which is precisely why, when I signed up for 30 years' worth of home loans, I
>>made damned sure the house deed said "Jeff Boyd" on it.
>>
>>See? All bases covered. I even thought in advance to marry a woman who has
>>enough brains in her skull not to completely disappear on me one day, which is
>>how responsible adults are supposed to act.
>
>Since the house is in your name, don't think of it as <new fjlij
>in-joke candidate> loosing </new fjlij in-joke candidate> your wife;
>think of it as gaining shitloads of closet space.
Heh. Actually my sister-in-law's piles and piles of crap take up more closet
space than my wife would ever dream of achieving. I tend to think I'm the proud
owner of a 30,000,000-yen storage shed.
Maybe I married the wrong one! Har!
--
"Yeah, I'm always on the lookout for a future ex-Mrs. Malcom." -- _Jurassic
Park_
The 2-Belo
>On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 19:05:00 +0900, "Ryan Ginstrom"
><gins...@hotmail.com> brought down from the Mount tablets inscribed:
>
>>
>>"The 2-Belo" <the2...@msd.biPOKPOKglobe.ne.jp> wrote in message
>>news:3ffbcc26$0$3181$df06...@news.sexzilla.net...
>>> Ryan Ginstrom and fj.life.in-japan is a baaaaaaaaaaad combination:
>>>
>>> >I find it quite incredible that the linguist dude was living in Japan for 16
>>> >years yet did not know about this aspect of Japanese law until his wife took
>>> >off on him.
>>>
>>> I just want to know why she took off on him at all. Unless -- as mr. sumo
>>> mentioned -- she was a nutter from the get-go, there has to be a reason for a
>>> human being to turn their lives (and those of their children) completely
>>> bassackwards.
>>
>>Didn't you hear? Kokusai kekkon is hard! Just ask my wife.
I would always say, in response, that this ain't no international marriage,
because we ain't currently located noplace international.*
>Let's be honest here, just for a brief and shining moment. A fair
>number of Japanese women who actively seek to marry foreign men *are*
>a bit nuts.
Maybe that's the key. The tip for foreign men is to seek out Japanese women who
otherwise wouldn't have a damned thing to do with them. It makes the hunt all
the more challenging!
* Also notice that in Japan it's called an "international" marriage, whereas in
the US it's called an "interracial" marriage. I sort of prefer the former.
The 2-Belo
>As I am an early education educator
WHOOP! WHOOP! WHOOP!
Ryan Ginstrom
> * Also notice that in Japan it's called an "international" marriage,
whereas in
> the US it's called an "interracial" marriage. I sort of prefer the former.
What do they call it if you marry someone of the same race but from a
different country?
I believe the Japanese still call it a kokusai kekkon if you marry a
zainichi Korean.
--
Regards,
Ryan Ginstrom
The 2-Belo
>
>"The 2-Belo" <the2...@msd.biPOKPOKglobe.ne.jp> wrote in message
>news:3ffc9fff$0$3176$df06...@news.sexzilla.net...
>> * Also notice that in Japan it's called an "international" marriage, whereas in
>> the US it's called an "interracial" marriage. I sort of prefer the former.
>
>What do they call it if you marry someone of the same race but from a
>different country?
A "traitor", I think. Especially since 2001. Or if the person in question is
French.
>I believe the Japanese still call it a kokusai kekkon if you marry a
>zainichi Korean.
I wonder what they called it when burakumin and non-burakumin married each
other.
Drew Hamilton
>blood-stained undershorts
Y'know, there are some visuals that you just don't need at dinner
time.
--
- awh
http://www.awh.org/
Ryan Ginstrom
> Ryan Ginstrom and fj.life.in-japan is a baaaaaaaaaaad combination:
>
> >
> >"The 2-Belo" <the2...@msd.biPOKPOKglobe.ne.jp> wrote in message
> >news:3ffc9fff$0$3176$df06...@news.sexzilla.net...
> >> * Also notice that in Japan it's called an "international" marriage,
whereas in
> >> the US it's called an "interracial" marriage. I sort of prefer the
former.
> >
> >What do they call it if you marry someone of the same race but from a
> >different country?
>
> A "traitor", I think. Especially since 2001. Or if the person in question
is
> French.
hee hee
Another term "international marriage" sounds a lot better than is
"mail-order bride"
--
Regards,
Ryan Ginstrom
Declan Murphy
> On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 22:22:33 +0900, Declan Murphy
> <declan...@hotmail.com> brought down from the Mount tablets
> inscribed:
>
>>Michael Cash wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 21:45:04 +0900, Declan Murphy
>>><declan...@hotmail.com> brought down from the Mount tablets
>>>inscribed:
>>>
>>>>Michael Cash wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Here's a real life case being discussed on the LIFE IN JAPAN group at
>>>>>the moment:
>>>>
>>>>Yahoo group I assume?
>>>
>>>Yes. You're not missing anything. Believe me.
>>
>>Hip flask thieving summbitch though you may be, I'll believe you.
>>
>>(BTW - Tried cleaning the inside of the hip flask with spirytus yet?)
>
> Yes, but then I find I have to keep running my tongue down it to get
> the last bits out in order to dry it, and that just tarnishes the
> inside again.
As disgusting as that may be (in the absence of jpegs), I have to say
I'm impressed. Given that the aperture is about 8mm, the ladies must
also be impressed.
Wotcha do, is fill it with spirytus, drink 90% of it very quickly (which
considering the size of the hip flask should be enuff to get you
paralytically dwunk about 5 minutes later) and then set the remaining
spirytus on fire. When you wake up a long time later believe me, the hip
flask should be dry.
Michael Cash
Bremner) brought down from the Mount tablets inscribed:
>Michael Cash <bugg...@fake.com> wrote:
>
>> <new fjlij in-joke candidate> loosing </new fjlij in-joke candidate>
>
>Too subtle if it needs codes to identify it as a joke rather than the
>standard mistake....
No, the code was merely to point out its candidacy.
Michael Cash
>Michael Cash wrote:
>> On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 22:22:33 +0900, Declan Murphy
>> <declan...@hotmail.com> brought down from the Mount tablets
>> inscribed:
>>
>>>Michael Cash wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 21:45:04 +0900, Declan Murphy
>>>><declan...@hotmail.com> brought down from the Mount tablets
>>>>inscribed:
>>>>
>>>>>Michael Cash wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Here's a real life case being discussed on the LIFE IN JAPAN group at
>>>>>>the moment:
>>>>>
>>>>>Yahoo group I assume?
>>>>
>>>>Yes. You're not missing anything. Believe me.
>>>
>>>Hip flask thieving summbitch though you may be, I'll believe you.
>>>
>>>(BTW - Tried cleaning the inside of the hip flask with spirytus yet?)
>>
>> Yes, but then I find I have to keep running my tongue down it to get
>> the last bits out in order to dry it, and that just tarnishes the
>> inside again.
>
>As disgusting as that may be (in the absence of jpegs), I have to say
>I'm impressed. Given that the aperture is about 8mm, the ladies must
>also be impressed.
Boy, am I glad I didn't tell ya what else I've had down in there!
Rafael Caetano
(...)
> Simple rules of course. Don't marry a 'nutter'.
I can't picture myself marrying a Japanese woman (*), but how exactly
do you tell a "nutter" from a "normal" Japanese woman?
(*) I wonder if you guys also thought that, before marrying them...
Rafael Caetano
Fuck Min
news:94a6da7.04010...@posting.google.com...
> do you tell a "nutter" from a "normal" Japanese woman?
>
I for one couldn't
Ryan Ginstrom
"Rafael Caetano" <rcae...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:94a6da7.04010...@posting.google.com...
> "mr.sumo snr." <mr_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> (...)
> > Simple rules of course. Don't marry a 'nutter'.
>
> I can't picture myself marrying a Japanese woman (*), but how exactly
> do you tell a "nutter" from a "normal" Japanese woman?
That she is willing to date a foreign man is usually a good hint...
> (*) I wonder if you guys also thought that, before marrying them...
That she was a nutter? Or that I didn't want to marry a Japanese woman?
Actually until I met my wife, I was very sure that I didn't want to marry
*anyone*, not for a long time at least. Funny how things work out.
--
Regards,
Ryan Ginstrom
Haluk Skywalker
news:btjs3s$7lut9$1...@ID-101276.news.uni-berlin.de...
That was the case for me too. I even told my ex-wife that I didn't believe
in marriage. And than she said "that's OK Hon, you don't believe in god
either".
Cindy
Yeah, I want to know the characteristics of "nutters". Can someone
explain? Plus, what is a "normal" Japanese woman? Shockingly, all my
Japanese friends in the US are divorced except for a 68 years old one
and 30 something with two little girls. Interestingly, those divorced
Japanese women were apparently "dumped" by American husbands.
Michael Cash
brought down from the Mount tablets inscribed:
>"mr.sumo snr." <mr_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Fuck no, we didn't. Don't you think we were more than about halfway
nuts ourself to voluntarily snip off our goolies and deposit them in a
woman's purse?
Michael Cash
<gins...@hotmail.com> brought down from the Mount tablets inscribed:
>
>"Rafael Caetano" <rcae...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:94a6da7.04010...@posting.google.com...
>> "mr.sumo snr." <mr_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> (...)
>> > Simple rules of course. Don't marry a 'nutter'.
>>
>> I can't picture myself marrying a Japanese woman (*), but how exactly
>> do you tell a "nutter" from a "normal" Japanese woman?
>
>That she is willing to date a foreign man is usually a good hint...
If she is *eager* to date a foreign man and is actively on the prowl
for one, not just for dating but with a goal of snagging a husband,
then it is a fantastic hint.
Jim
>
> Yeah, I want to know the characteristics of "nutters". Can someone
> explain?
This is easy. A nutter is someone who acts irrationally (to you).
The key part is the "(to you)".
If their behavior seems normal to you, they're not a nutter.
Otherwise...
-Jim
Ryan Ginstrom
"Cindy" <cind...@attb.com> wrote in message
news:CrgLb.252514$8y1.1151752@attbi_s52...
> Yeah, I want to know the characteristics of "nutters". Can someone
> explain?
Um...
Never mind.
> Plus, what is a "normal" Japanese woman?
I'll let you know when I meet one.
--
Regards,
Ryan Ginstrom
Cindy
> Cindy wrote:
>
>>
>> Yeah, I want to know the characteristics of "nutters". Can someone
>> explain?
>
>
> This is easy. A nutter is someone who acts irrationally (to you).
>
> The key part is the "(to you)".
Aha, the nutter wants your attention.
> If their behavior seems normal to you, they're not a nutter.
If there is some sort of chemistry between the two, I can do nothing
about it. It must be much much later to cool down to be able to look
back and analyze their silly acts, then they may be able to judge that
they were nutters.
Cindy
>>Plus, what is a "normal" Japanese woman?
>
>
> I'll let you know when I meet one.
Isn't your wife a normal Japanese woman? She can't be a nutter because
she is your wife. She must be a wonderful Japanese woman whom every man
would want to marry.
Jim
Sorry about my bad explanation. I meant to write:
From your viewpoint, if the person seems normal, they aren't nuts.
Now another person looking at the two of you might think you are
psychos, but the two of you in your own little world see nothing
unusual.
For example, a woman like Whitney Houston from my point of view is
a nutter. Getting beaten by your spouse, then bailing them out of
jail while singing with a once-beautiful voice, now trashed by drug use
and constant throttlings, are not the actions of a sane person.
But to her, it must seem pretty normal, otherwise she'd get out of
the relationship. Or a sane person would, wouldn't they?
-Jim
Cindy
> For example, a woman like Whitney Houston from my point of view is
> a nutter. Getting beaten by your spouse, then bailing them out of
> jail while singing with a once-beautiful voice, now trashed by drug use
> and constant throttlings, are not the actions of a sane person.
That's why I said "I can do nothing about it."
> But to her, it must seem pretty normal, otherwise she'd get out of
> the relationship. Or a sane person would, wouldn't they?
She thinks she is rich and has power so that she can help him, doesn't
she? Maybe she is driving him crazy. Maybe she doesn't give him a
chance to be a real man. Who knows?
My psychology professor told me a very interesting thing. "You want to
be the number one cheerleader for your partner. Otherwise, someone else
will."
Jim
>
> My psychology professor told me a very interesting thing. "You want to
> be the number one cheerleader for your partner. Otherwise, someone else
> will."
>
My psych prof told me something similar when I was at Nichidai:
"You want to be the number one hostess for your partner. Otherwise,
someone else will."
Or maybe he said "schoolgirl", not hostess.
We were drunk at the time.
-Jim
The 2-Belo
>On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 00:14:25 +0900, "Ryan Ginstrom"
><gins...@hotmail.com> brought down from the Mount tablets inscribed:
>
>>
>>"Rafael Caetano" <rcae...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:94a6da7.04010...@posting.google.com...
>>> "mr.sumo snr." <mr_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> (...)
>>> > Simple rules of course. Don't marry a 'nutter'.
>>>
>>> I can't picture myself marrying a Japanese woman (*), but how exactly
>>> do you tell a "nutter" from a "normal" Japanese woman?
>>
>>That she is willing to date a foreign man is usually a good hint...
>
>If she is *eager* to date a foreign man and is actively on the prowl
>for one, not just for dating but with a goal of snagging a husband,
>then it is a fantastic hint.
While we're on the subject, here's some nausea fuel:
Cindy
I notice the position and duty are changeable.
Ryan Ginstrom
> Isn't your wife a normal Japanese woman? She can't be a nutter because
> she is your wife. She must be a wonderful Japanese woman whom every man
> would want to marry.
In whose world are normal and nutter the only available options?
--
Regards,
Ryan Ginstrom
Ryan Ginstrom
> I notice the position and duty are changeable.
It's more fun when they are.
--
Regards,
Ryan Ginstrom
Ryan Ginstrom
Wow.
I won't ask how you found this site.
--
Regards,
Ryan Ginstrom
Cindy
> In whose world are normal and nutter the only available options?
>
Your wife is putting up with a lot of bullshit from you too. Bad thing
is that she believes she is putting up with more bullshit than the
bullshit you are putting up with.
Cindy
> "Cindy" <cind...@attb.com> wrote in message
> news:MknLb.2261$xy6.6580@attbi_s02...
>
>>I notice the position and duty are changeable.
>
>
> It's more fun when they are.
>
Oh, yeah. You want to be my best passenger. Otherwise, someone else
will be.
Ryan Ginstrom
Well, she is.
--
Regards,
Ryan Ginstrom
Ryan Ginstrom
> Oh, yeah. You want to be my best passenger. Otherwise, someone else
> will be.
Thank god.
--
Regards,
Ryan Ginstrom
Haluk Skywalker
news:3ffdf236$0$3176$df06...@news.sexzilla.net...
> Michael Cash and fj.life.in-japan is a baaaaaaaaaaad combination:
>
> >On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 00:14:25 +0900, "Ryan Ginstrom"
> ><gins...@hotmail.com> brought down from the Mount tablets inscribed:
> >
> >>
> >>"Rafael Caetano" <rcae...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>news:94a6da7.04010...@posting.google.com...
> >>> "mr.sumo snr." <mr_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>> (...)
> >>> > Simple rules of course. Don't marry a 'nutter'.
> >>>
> >>> I can't picture myself marrying a Japanese woman (*), but how exactly
> >>> do you tell a "nutter" from a "normal" Japanese woman?
> >>
> >>That she is willing to date a foreign man is usually a good hint...
> >
> >If she is *eager* to date a foreign man and is actively on the prowl
> >for one, not just for dating but with a goal of snagging a husband,
> >then it is a fantastic hint.
>
> While we're on the subject, here's some nausea fuel:
>
> http://www.tma-marriage.com/
Did you realize that black & white candidate picture there? That must be
from 1960s.
Rafael Caetano
> "Rafael Caetano" <rcae...@yahoo.com> wrote:
(...)
> > I can't picture myself marrying a Japanese woman (*), but how exactly
> > do you tell a "nutter" from a "normal" Japanese woman?
>
> That she is willing to date a foreign man is usually a good hint...
>
> > (*) I wonder if you guys also thought that, before marrying them...
>
> That she was a nutter? Or that I didn't want to marry a Japanese woman?
Marrying a Japanese woman.
> Actually until I met my wife, I was very sure that I didn't want to marry
> *anyone*, not for a long time at least. Funny how things work out.
Same here. But it's not going to happen with _me_. :-)
At least not in Japan, I hope. I'm just a student, I doubt even
nutters would marry a guy without pro$pects.
Rafael Caetano
Michael Cash
<gins...@hotmail.com> brought down from the Mount tablets inscribed:
>
Here we go down Memory Lane, with Cindy offering up unsolicited
opinions on wives....heavy, heavy, heavy fucking sigh.
Ryan Ginstrom
> > Actually until I met my wife, I was very sure that I didn't want to
marry
> > *anyone*, not for a long time at least. Funny how things work out.
>
> Same here. But it's not going to happen with _me_. :-)
> At least not in Japan, I hope. I'm just a student, I doubt even
> nutters would marry a guy without pro$pects.
Famous last words <g>.
When I married I was a student without two nickels to rub together, and no
sure prospects for the future.
If you think that will shield you, then watch out!
--
Regards,
Ryan Ginstrom
Cindy
> "Cindy" <cind...@attb.com> wrote in message
> news:ZNnLb.1785$8H.9826@attbi_s03...
>
>>Oh, yeah. You want to be my best passenger. Otherwise, someone else
>>will be.
>
>
> Thank god.
>
I hate to tell you, but I have the control.
Cindy
>>Actually until I met my wife, I was very sure that I didn't want to marry
>>*anyone*, not for a long time at least. Funny how things work out.
>
>
> Same here. But it's not going to happen with _me_. :-)
> At least not in Japan, I hope. I'm just a student, I doubt even
> nutters would marry a guy without pro$pects.
Yeah, just DON'T get married, Rafael! Marriage is not a good thing. It
will make you give up many many things. If you have a kid, it will get
even worse, and you will be chained for a loooong time.
John W.
> "Rafael Caetano" <rcae...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:94a6da7.04010...@posting.google.com...
>
>>"Ryan Ginstrom" <gins...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Actually until I met my wife, I was very sure that I didn't want to
>>
> marry
>
>>>*anyone*, not for a long time at least. Funny how things work out.
>>
>>Same here. But it's not going to happen with _me_. :-)
>>At least not in Japan, I hope. I'm just a student, I doubt even
>>nutters would marry a guy without pro$pects.
>
>
> Famous last words <g>.
>
> When I married I was a student without two nickels to rub together, and no
> sure prospects for the future.
>
haven't changed a lot.
*She* has prospects. Wish I knew their names.
John W.
Michael Cash
<gins...@hotmail.com> brought down from the Mount tablets inscribed:
>
>"Rafael Caetano" <rcae...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:94a6da7.04010...@posting.google.com...
>> "Ryan Ginstrom" <gins...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > Actually until I met my wife, I was very sure that I didn't want to
>marry
>> > *anyone*, not for a long time at least. Funny how things work out.
>>
>> Same here. But it's not going to happen with _me_. :-)
>> At least not in Japan, I hope. I'm just a student, I doubt even
>> nutters would marry a guy without pro$pects.
>
>Famous last words <g>.
>
>When I married I was a student without two nickels to rub together, and no
>sure prospects for the future.
So.....didja ever get the nickels?
Ernest Schaal
bugg...@fake.com wrote on 1/7/04 8:29 PM:
> Let's be honest here, just for a brief and shining moment. A fair
> number of Japanese women who actively seek to marry foreign men *are*
> a bit nuts.
Let's be honest here, just for a brief and shining moment. A fair number of
foreign men who actively seek to marry Japanese women *are* a bit nuts.
Now that we have met our quota of stereotypes, let's be more honest here and
admit that each marriage is different, including the motivation in entering
the marriage. Some marriages end quickly, others (like mind) go on for over
thirty year.
I think a lot of it has to do whether you marry a Japanese woman or marry a
woman who happens to be Japanese, and whether your spouse marries a foreign
man or marries a man who happens to be foreign. If you are marrying a
stereotype, your chances of failure are high, since Japanese women vary
greatly in personality.
Duke of URL
Ryan Ginstrom
"Michael Cash" <bugg...@fake.com> wrote in message
news:gmb0009ed4abduosf...@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 21:02:16 +0900, "Ryan Ginstrom"
no
> >sure prospects for the future.
>
>
> So.....didja ever get the nickels?
Kinda. I've earned lots of nickels since then, but my wife is holding them
for me. She says she'll start giving me an allowance "real soon" though, so
I should have a pair of nickels any time now.
--
Regards,
Ryan Ginstrom
Ryan Ginstrom
"Duke of URL" <macbenahATkdsiDOTnet> wrote in message
news:1000tm3...@corp.supernews.com...
> BTW, just *what* is a BYJW? Bisexual Yakuza Japanese Wife?
Didn't you read Ernest's post? Every marriage is different. For some people
it's beautiful young Japanese wife. For others, it's closer to Bitchy
Yak-like Japanese Witches.
--
Regards,
Ryan Ginstrom
Michael Cash
<esc...@max.hi-ho.ne.jp> brought down from the Mount tablets
inscribed:
>in article cbrnvvgna30n3cc4q...@4ax.com, Michael Cash at
>bugg...@fake.com wrote on 1/7/04 8:29 PM:
>
>> Let's be honest here, just for a brief and shining moment. A fair
>> number of Japanese women who actively seek to marry foreign men *are*
>> a bit nuts.
>
>Let's be honest here, just for a brief and shining moment. A fair number of
>foreign men who actively seek to marry Japanese women *are* a bit nuts.
Oh, I absolutely agree with you that it works in that direction as
well. I saw no need to mention it because that wasn't the focus at the
moment; the question having been something about Japanese wives and
how to tell if they're nuts or not.
>
>Now that we have met our quota of stereotypes, let's be more honest here and
>admit that each marriage is different, including the motivation in entering
>the marriage. Some marriages end quickly, others (like mind) go on for over
>thirty year.
And some just feel like they're going on forever.
>
>I think a lot of it has to do whether you marry a Japanese woman or marry a
>woman who happens to be Japanese, and whether your spouse marries a foreign
>man or marries a man who happens to be foreign. If you are marrying a
>stereotype, your chances of failure are high, since Japanese women vary
>greatly in personality.
I remember discussions I've had with Japanese women who said they
wanted to marry a foreign man. Some gave really good reasons. I'll
paraphrase a few:
1. Foriegn men are tall and have long legs
2. Foreign men are gentlemen and help wash dishes and do the housework
3. I hate this country! I want out! And marrying a foreign man is the
#1 surefire way to get out!
4. (And the ever-popular) Half-breed kids are so cuuuuuute!!!!!!
Fabian
> 4. (And the ever-popular) Half-breed kids are so cuuuuuute!!!!!!
Except for the half trolls. But I dont think even the really desperate
ones would marry Mr Tomoyuki Tanaka.
--
--
Fabian
Visit my website often and for long periods!
http://www.lajzar.co.uk
Ernest Schaal
bugg...@fake.com wrote on 1/11/04 1:00 PM:
> I remember discussions I've had with Japanese women who said they
> wanted to marry a foreign man. Some gave really good reasons. I'll
> paraphrase a few:
>
> 1. Foriegn men are tall and have long legs
>
> 2. Foreign men are gentlemen and help wash dishes and do the housework
>
> 3. I hate this country! I want out! And marrying a foreign man is the
> #1 surefire way to get out!
>
> 4. (And the ever-popular) Half-breed kids are so cuuuuuute!!!!!!
But they are so cuuuuuute! I know! My kids are beautiful.
Cindy
> Except for the half trolls. But I dont think even the really desperate
> ones would marry Mr Tomoyuki Tanaka.
But he is a lawyer. Some girls marry any lawyer. You know that don't you?
Cindy
> But they are so cuuuuuute! I know! My kids are beautiful.
Just wait until they become teenagers. They will be worse than your own
spouse.
Ernest Schaal
wrote on 1/12/04 3:37 AM:
What is it with you and lawyers? For the past few months you have been
Kaz-like in your stupid digs at lawyers. What happened, did some mean old
lawyer represent you husband against you? Inquiring minds want to know.
Ernest Schaal
wrote on 1/12/04 3:58 AM:
Why do you assume that they are not fully grown? Or for that matter, why do
you assume my wife is bad?
Cindy
> in article L1hMb.26842$xy6.67567@attbi_s02, Cindy at cind...@attb.com
> wrote on 1/12/04 3:58 AM:
>
>
>>Ernest Schaal wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>But they are so cuuuuuute! I know! My kids are beautiful.
>>
>>
>>Just wait until they become teenagers. They will be worse than your own
>>spouse.
>
>
> Why do you assume that they are not fully grown?
That's a good question. Individuation is a tough thing. It's hard to
be separated, but sooner or later, children have to be independent.
> Or for that matter, why do
> you assume my wife is bad?
>
When did I specify your wife? I was talking in general.
Cindy
> What is it with you and lawyers? For the past few months you have been
> Kaz-like in your stupid digs at lawyers. What happened, did some mean old
> lawyer represent you husband against you? Inquiring minds want to know.
Now, in sci.lang.japan, there are three lawyers got together. If you
join, there will be four lawyers in one newsgroup. So you know.
In real world, I don't like how James's lawyer torment Hisako and
Hisako's lawyer being useless.
Ernest Schaal
on 1/12/04 4:40 AM:
How else should I interpret your sentence "They will be worse than your own
spouse."
Ernest Schaal
wrote on 1/12/04 4:50 AM:
I am not in sci.lang.japan, and am not responsible for any "acts" that
lawyers might do in that group that displeases you.
Personally, I resent your frequent attacks on the entire legal profession
because you have problems with particular posters. You have spoken out
against making such stereotypes but you are one of the worse offenders.
Cindy
> Personally, I resent your frequent attacks on the entire legal profession
> because you have problems with particular posters. You have spoken out
> against making such stereotypes but you are one of the worse offenders.
>
But it was good for me to vent.
Duke of URL
Cindy <cind...@attb.com> radiated into the WorldWideWait:
Are you sure? I think lawyers reproduce by sporesis...
Ernest Schaal
on 1/12/04 5:42 AM:
Cindy, I hate to say it but you sound like those jerks that attack grade
school children because they are "agitated." If you don't want to be
considered a jerk, stop acting like one. Vent against those responsible, not
against innocent bystanders.
Cindy
> Are you sure? I think lawyers reproduce by sporesis...
>
>
Not by mitosis for sure.
Drew Hamilton
Tomoyuki Tanaka is a lawyer?
Well, thank god I don't live wherever he does.
--
- awh
http://www.awh.org/
Ernest Schaal
wrote on 1/12/04 6:31 AM:
> Duke of URL wrote:
>
>
>> Are you sure? I think lawyers reproduce by sporesis...
>>
>>
>
> Not by mitosis for sure.
>
Again with the lawyer digs. When are you going to grow up. You are already
middle-aged, so you should know better.
Jason Cormier
Schaal" <esc...@max.hi-ho.ne.jp> wrote:
> You are already middle-aged,
In age only.
>so you should know better.
You mean like knowing better than to corner the passengers she serves on a
plane and quiz them on their religious beliefs?
Ian J Cottee
> 2. Foreign men are gentlemen and help wash dishes and do the housework
I am absolutely forbidden to do any cleaning in the house at
all. Apparantly I do not do it 'properly'. When my parents visited us in
Japan they were allowed to wash up (special honour), but she'd usually
wash the stuff up again afterwards, when they were not looking.
--
Ian J Cottee
Nagoya, Japan
Michael Cash
>in article L1hMb.26842$xy6.67567@attbi_s02, Cindy at cind...@attb.com
She is heavily into projection, that's why.
Michael Cash
brought down from the Mount tablets inscribed:
>On 1/11/04 16:47, in article BC27F383.1259A%esc...@max.hi-ho.ne.jp, "Ernest
And giving them unsolicited lectures on how to raise their kids?