98SE, upg to IE6SP1, looping 814078
Frank Haber
accomodate software that required 6. The update was done "custom" from a
local copy of the setup dir. All subsequent Windows Update passes completed
successfully, EXCEPT...
814078 always shows as needing update. Repeated passes merely add
"successful" entries for the same patch to Installed Updates. Strangely,
this is allegedly for Jscript **5.1** for my machine. I'd already gone to
the 5.6 level under IE55. The required .x.x.8513 dll is indeed present, and
was there before this upgrade cycle.
Thoughts?
--
-frh
Mark Headrick
Yeah, mine is doing the same thing. I installed the 5.6 update first
thinking that would keep the 5.1 update from showing. It did not. So, I
installed the 5.1 version; however, when I went back to the Windows Update
site, it said I needed to install Visual Basic Script support. So the 5.1
update seemed to have killed it. I had to download and install scr56en.exe
to get it restored. I then downloaded js56men.exe from the 814078 info
page.
I think Microsoft just needs to yank the 5.1 update and just keep the 5.6
one. The 5.1 seems to be busted.
Running Windows 98 with IE6 SP1 and all the critical updates up to this one.
I have like 3 successful installations in the History now. Is there some
registry entry or file I can modify to tell Windows that the update has been
applied?
Thanks,
Mark H.
"Frank Haber" <frh...@NOSPAMrcn.com> wrote in message
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Jim Phillips
I HOPE that the Stupidity of MicroSoft gets Straightened Out.
I Have Fought the SAME EXACT Problem which was Fine on Mar 19th.
I also had a Couple More come up after I Installed it.
Then I went to the Download Page and saw that the 5.1 is for Other Versions of Windows BUT the Win98 SE Version is for 5.6
Looks like MS has a PLUG UP THEIR Whatsit (Where the Sun Doesn't Shine)
I Just wish to Hell that they would Test a PATCH BEFORE - BEFORE they put it on to the Update site.
Hopefully Someone will Straighten the GARBAGE Out soon.
Jim Phillips
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Richard R. Liu
I upgraded to IE 6 eons ago and have run Windows Update regularly, so
everything was current up to today. Today, Windows Update decided I
needed critical update 814078, so I let it perform the update. After
rebooting, I reran Windows Update, only to find that now two critical
updates (814078 again, MS02-009) and one not-so-critical one (Visual
Basic Scripting) should/could be installed. I selected just the
critical ones, installed them, and rebooted, then reran Windows
Update. Now, only 814078 appeared, which I installed. After
rebooting Windows Update found 814078, MS02-009 (both critical) and VB
Scripting. This time, I tried just installing VB Scripting. That
produced the result that, once again, 814078 was critical and the VB
Scripting didn't appear. So I'm leaving it at that for now.
I see I have jscript.dll in c:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM (not SYSTEM32), ver.
5.6.0.8513. I tried copying it into SYSTEM32 as well before running
Windows Update, but that didn't fool the program, and 814078 still
showed up in the list of critical updates. I also see that I
downloaded and installed scr56en.exe on 25Sep01. I'm wondering
whether I should repeat the installation, but I'm not too keen on
risking totally screwing up the PC.
Has anybody found a way to end this looping business, short of just
ignoring a critical update?
James
answer please let me know.
>.
>
Don
on March 19, 2003 but Update showing I need "version 5.1". Perhaps
there is a clue in that Qfecheck (qfecheck.exe) does *not* show
Q814078 installed although according to
http://www.ciac.org/ciac/bulletins/n-063.shtml it should.
Torgeir Bakken (MVP)
> Just for the record, I have the same problem.
>
> I upgraded to IE 6 eons ago and have run Windows Update regularly, so
> everything was current up to today. (snip)
>
> I see I have jscript.dll in c:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM (not SYSTEM32), ver.
> 5.6.0.8513. I tried copying it into SYSTEM32 as well before running
> Windows Update, but that didn't fool the program, and 814078 still
> showed up in the list of critical updates. I also see that I
> downloaded and installed scr56en.exe on 25Sep01. I'm wondering
> whether I should repeat the installation, but I'm not too keen on
> risking totally screwing up the PC.
>
> Has anybody found a way to end this looping business, short of just
> ignoring a critical update?
Hi
What OS do you have?
--
torgeir
Microsoft MVP Scripting and WMI, Porsgrunn Norway
Administration scripting examples and an ONLINE version of the 1328 page
Scripting Guide: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/scriptcenter
Ron
last week with the 5.6 update, and updated today, 3/26, to
the 5.1 update, I've done it successfully twice today,
it's in my update log, but still shows as needing to be
installed when I run an update scan. I also noticed that
the update I did last week for 5.6 and the one today for
5.1 have the exact same Security update ID, 814078, with
slightly different descriptions, this can't be right since
one is for 5.6 and todays is for 5.1. Someone appears to
have screwed up when adding this critical update to the
update list today.
>.
>
Lucy [MS]
resolve the problem.
Sorry for the inconvenience.
--
Thanks,
Lucy [MS]
Windows Update
* All advise is offered as-is without warranty of any kind
"Ron" <oakm...@cei.net> wrote in message
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Shakescene
JScript 5.6 successfully on Monday, March 24, without
problems. Then I saw an alert on C/Net about the usual
spoofing/buffer overrun vulnerability and ran Windows
Update to make sure I had the latest patch (I probably
should have looked at Installation History first.)
I've "successfully" installed JScript 5.1 three times
today, but I still get told I need to install it. Every
time I visit Windows Update v4 I get told to install VBS
(MS Visual Basis Scripting, which I'm certain I already
had), and Windows Update won't scan if I ignore that
instruction. <P>My system is Windows 98SE and my Internet
Explorer 6.0 already had SP1 ("About IE" under Help also
lists QQ 313829, 328970, 324929, 810847 and 813951, but
not 814078; I once downloaded Windows Media 9 but declined
its 2nd EULA which offered to install new anti-piracy
software on my computer, so WM9 hasn't so far as I know
been installed. I've uninstalled MS Outlook and Outlook
Express because of security concerns, and use Eudora Pro
5.2 instead.)<P>I've run Scandisk several times, shut down
and rebooted several times and run Norton System Check
once. I have a feeling this is a repeat of last November's
disaster with Q 329414 -- MDAC 2.1, another element that
Windows Update could never detect and kept telling users
to install.
>
Papa
option.
"Lucy [MS]" <a-l...@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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Papa
cannot get beyond 0 percent. I never encountered a single problem with Windows
Updates until 814078.
My OS is Windows 98SE.
"Lars-Erik Østerud" <.@.> wrote in message
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> Richard R. Liu skrev:
>
> > I upgraded to IE 6 eons ago and have run Windows Update regularly, so
> > everything was current up to today. Today, Windows Update decided I
> > needed critical update 814078, so I let it perform the update. After
> > rebooting, I reran Windows Update, only to find that now two critical
> > updates (814078 again, MS02-009) and one not-so-critical one (Visual
> > Basic Scripting) should/could be installed. I selected just the
> > critical ones, installed them, and rebooted, then reran Windows
> > Update. Now, only 814078 appeared, which I installed. After
>
> So far I noticed the same. One of the new updates was old.
>
> My problem is that after installing them Windows Update won't
> work anymore (stops at 0% and LEDs on cable-modem stop flashing)
>
> Have tried all the tips on the Windows Update page (manual install,
> stopped ZoneAlarm, stopped WebWasher, tried both http: and https:)
>
> --
> Lars-Erik - http://home.chello.no/~larse/ - ICQ # 7297605
Bill Drake
5.1 patch as appropriate for installations already using Windows
Scripting 5.6.
The 5.1 update then installs the 5.1 version of jscript.dll, which
promptly breaks Windows Scripting 5.6 because the DLL-chain
is now invalid due to the wrong version of jscript.dll in the chain.
When returning to the update site, the update-system needs
jscript support -- and the update-system notices that Windows
Scripting for the installed version of MSIE is broken.
The update-system then offers to redownload and reinstall the
scripting update. If the user gives permission, this is
downloaded and applied. This brings back a proper copy of
jscript.dll (as well as the rest of Windows Scripting found in
that auto-download).
However, once the appropriate version of Windows Scripting
is installed and updated and the user gets back to the Windows
Update page -- the incorrect update-validation logic causes a
recommendation for the invalid jscript.dll to be installed all over
again.
The cycle repeats endlessly -- as long as the user continues to
follow the directions and install the 5.1 update. The only fix at
this point in time is to ignore the advice to install the 5.1 update.
Best I can do for now. <tm>
Bill
Lucy [MS] wrote:
> Thank everyone for posting. We're currently investigating and
> working to resolve the problem.
>
> Sorry for the inconvenience.
>
>
Il Barbagianni
> follow the directions and install the 5.1 update. The only fix at
> this point in time is to ignore the advice to install the 5.1 update.
>
>
Is it possible with win98 to avoid that the advice windows appears every 5 minutes?
Richard Liu
> "Richard R. Liu" wrote:
>
> > Just for the record, I have the same problem.
> >
> > I upgraded to IE 6 eons ago and have run Windows Update regularly, so
> > everything was current up to today. (snip)
> >
> > I see I have jscript.dll in c:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM (not SYSTEM32), ver.
> > 5.6.0.8513. I tried copying it into SYSTEM32 as well before running
> > Windows Update, but that didn't fool the program, and 814078 still
> > showed up in the list of critical updates. I also see that I
> > downloaded and installed scr56en.exe on 25Sep01. I'm wondering
> > whether I should repeat the installation, but I'm not too keen on
> > risking totally screwing up the PC.
> >
> > Has anybody found a way to end this looping business, short of just
> > ignoring a critical update?
>
> Hi
>
> What OS do you have?
Windows 98SE, latest SP.
Paul Richards
windows appears every 5 minutes?
I've been opening up Task Scheduler and deleting the
Windows Critical Update Notification task - it comes back
after the next use of Windows Update to install an
update. If that seems extreme, you could try just
unchecking the enabled box.
Paul Richards
Install on Demand to download and install Visual Basic
Scripting Support? You will need to reinstall it for
Windows Update to work again. Windows Update is a trusted
site on my PC, that might be something to do with why I am
being asked.
Lucy [MS]
The fix will posted next week possibly April 2nd.
Again sorry for the inconvenience.
--
Thanks,
Lucy [MS]
Windows Update
* All advise is offered as-is without warranty of any kind
"Bill Drake" <bdr...@telus.net> wrote in message
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Papa
1. Do a clean re-install of Windows and then download all of the updates up to
but NOT including 814078. This option is not the one I will use.
2. Wait for the fix from Microsoft. Hopefully it will come soon, and hopefully
it will again allow us to get beyond 0 percent.
I will pick the second choice, assuming that Microsoft creates a fix. If not, I
guess Updates are a thing of the past, for me.
"Lars-Erik Řsterud" <.@.> wrote in message
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> Bill Drake skrev:
>
> > The cycle repeats endlessly -- as long as the user continues to
> > follow the directions and install the 5.1 update. The only fix at
> > this point in time is to ignore the advice to install the 5.1 update.
>
> But how does this explaint all the Win98se user that now can't get
> any updates (like me). All communication stops at 0% when scanning.
>
> If I both is stuck with errors in the Jscript system, AND update
> doesn't function anymore. How in the world will I get any further.
>
> --
> Lars-Erik - http://home.chello.no/~larse/ - ICQ # 7297605
>
> Win98se, Asus P4PE, 2.53 GHz, Asus V8420 (Ti4200), SB-Live!
Lucy [MS]
Smart choice, option 1 is not necessary Please ignore 8140078 until we fix
the issue on our end. Do you have the latest scripting engine installed?
Please install or reinstall from:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/downloads/list/webdev.asp
Any change on Windows Update?
--
Thanks,
Lucy [MS]
Windows Update
* All advise is offered as-is without warranty of any kind
"Papa" <biki...@my.fun> wrote in message
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Shakescene
JScript 5.1 (Q 814078) endlessly asking to be re-installed
on Windows Update, I no longer face the dilemma of re-
installing VBS as instructed or having my "Scan for
Updates" freeze at 0% when I don't reinstall VBS. I think
that Microsoft may have solved at least part of that
problem at the Windows Update end. [It's just barely
conceivable that it was alleviated by my hitting
the "Remove from Installation List" button at the bottom
of the JScript 5.1/Q814078 description on a couple of
visits.] ¶¶ A possible suggestion for those still
suffering from the "Scan for Updates" freezing at 0% might
be this: instead of hitting the green arrow button in the
middle of the screen, instead go to the menu bar on the
left and click "Pick Updates to install". I don't know if
this would make the slightest difference, but it might be
an idea worth trying.
>.
>
Papa
Thanks. That cured the problem of not getting beyond 0 percent. The inability to
get beyond 0 percent began when I, after seeing the scripting message every time
I clicked on Windows Update, selected the option to NOT get the message again
(hope my memory on this is correct). Anyway, after going to your referenced web
page and downloading Windows Script 5.6 for Windows 9X, I can now go all the way
to 100 percent.
After getting to 100 percent, I see that the system is still telling me I need
to download 814078 - even though I have 4 "successful" installations in my
history list.
So, as you suggest, I'll wait until the issue is resolved.
Thanks again. I really appreciate your help.
"Lucy [MS]" <a-l...@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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Shakescene
routine, again, Lucy, to find out what is and isn't
installed on my own computer's Operating System (Win 98SE
4.10.2222 A) and browser (IE 6.0.2800.1106)? "About
Internet Explorer" under IE's "Help" drop down menu shows
SP1 and several QQ (including, confusingly, the
anagrammatical Q 810487), but not Q 814078. Is there an
easy, elementary way for non-techies to find out if
JScript 5.6 and/or 5.1, and their attendant security
patches, have been installed ?
>> "Lars-Erik Østerud" <.@.> wrote in message
>> news:eoAga.30815$oe.93787@amstwist00...
>> > Bill Drake skrev:
>> >
>> > > The cycle repeats endlessly -- as long as the user
continues to
>> > > follow the directions and install the 5.1 update.
The only fix at
>> > > this point in time is to ignore the advice to
install the 5.1 update.
>> >
>> > But how does this explaint all the Win98se user that
now can't get
>> > any updates (like me). All communication stops at 0%
when scanning.
>> >
>> > If I both is stuck with errors in the Jscript system,
AND update
>> > doesn't function anymore. How in the world will I get
any further.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Lars-Erik - http://home.chello.no/~larse/ - ICQ
# 7297605
>> >
>> > Win98se, Asus P4PE, 2.53 GHz, Asus V8420 (Ti4200),
SB-Live!
>>
>>
>
>
>.
>
Joe727
talking about for Windows 98SE?
Joe
"Lucy [MS]" <a-l...@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> Hi Papa,
>
> Smart choice, option 1 is not necessary Please ignore 8140078 until we
fix
> the issue on our end. Do you have the latest scripting engine installed?
> Please install or reinstall from:
>
>
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/downloads/list/webdev.asp
>
>
> Any change on Windows Update?
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Lucy [MS]
> Windows Update
>
> * All advise is offered as-is without warranty of any kind
>
>
> "Papa" <biki...@my.fun> wrote in message
> news:#Z0vH0I9...@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > Looks to me like we have 2 choices:
> >
> > 1. Do a clean re-install of Windows and then download all of the updates
> up to
> > but NOT including 814078. This option is not the one I will use.
> >
> > 2. Wait for the fix from Microsoft. Hopefully it will come soon, and
> hopefully
> > it will again allow us to get beyond 0 percent.
> >
> > I will pick the second choice, assuming that Microsoft creates a fix. If
> not, I
> > guess Updates are a thing of the past, for me.
> >
> > "Lars-Erik Østerud" <.@.> wrote in message
Torgeir Bakken (MVP)
> I don't know MS-DOS, Visual Basic or Java. What's the
> routine, again, Lucy, to find out what is and isn't
> installed on my own computer's Operating System (Win 98SE
> 4.10.2222 A) and browser (IE 6.0.2800.1106)? "About
> Internet Explorer" under IE's "Help" drop down menu shows
> SP1 and several QQ (including, confusingly, the
> anagrammatical Q 810487), but not Q 814078. Is there an
> easy, elementary way for non-techies to find out if
> JScript 5.6 and/or 5.1, and their attendant security
> patches, have been installed ?
Hi
Find Jscript.dll in the %WINDIR%\System (usually C:\Windows\System) folder.
Right-click on the file and select "Properties". Select the "Version" tab.
If the file version is 5.x.0.8513, the fix is installed (x can be, 1, 5, or
6)...
Torgeir Bakken (MVP)
> Thanks for the link. Which one of the downloads on that page are you
> talking about for Windows 98SE?
>
> Joe
>
> "Lucy [MS]" <a-l...@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:eZ#Ds9I9C...@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> >
> > Do you have the latest scripting engine installed?
> > Please install or reinstall from:
> >
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/downloads/list/webdev.asp
Hi
This one:
Microsoft Windows Script 5.6 (Windows 9x, Me, NT4) a.k.a. WSH 5.6
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=0A8A18F6-249C-4A72-BFCF-FC6AF26DC390&displaylang=en
Then, after a boot, you should (re)install the following security patches for
WSH 5.6:
Security Update, February 14, 2002 for WSH 5.6
Windows Millennium Edition (Windows Me), Windows 98 and NT
http://download.microsoft.com/download/IE60/Patch/Q318089/W9XNT4Me/EN-US/vbs56men.exe
JScript 5.6 Security Patch Q814078
Windows 98 Second Edition and Windows 98
http://www.microsoft.com/windows98/downloads/contents/WUCritical/q814078/default.asp
Shakescene
with the Registry or Viewers or anything faintly
technical. ¶¶ (1) In Windows 98SE, use the "Find" function
in the Start Menu. Ask "Find" > "Files and Folders" to
look in My Computer (or in C:/Windows/System)
for "jscript.dll". (2) When it comes up, right-click your
mouse over the icon to generate a menu whose last item
is "Properties". (3) When you click "Properties", if
you've installed Jscript 5.6, the Version tab should say
5.6.0.8513 and the General tab should give a size of 576
KB (589,881 bytes) and a "Modified" date in local time
equivalent to 20:57 GMT (UTC) on January 13, 2003. (4)
Compare this with "File Information" near the end of
Microsoft Knowledge Base article 814078 at:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-
us;814078
¶¶ (5) I don't know what would come up if you'd installed
Jscript 5.1, nor what to search for to see whether your
Visual Basic Scripting (VBS) is as up-to-date as Windows
Update sometimes demands (or is VBS the same thing as
JScript?)
>
Shakescene
figured out the first part myself (see nearby message),
but didn't know that the suffix "0.8513" signified that
the patch had been installed (presumably successfully).
>
Torgeir Bakken (MVP)
> I've answered my own question, without having to fiddle
> with the Registry or Viewers or anything faintly
> technical. ¶¶ (1) In Windows 98SE, use the "Find" function
> in the Start Menu. Ask "Find" > "Files and Folders" to
> look in My Computer (or in C:/Windows/System)
> for "jscript.dll". (2) When it comes up, right-click your
> mouse over the icon to generate a menu whose last item
> is "Properties". (3) When you click "Properties", if
> you've installed Jscript 5.6, the Version tab should say
> 5.6.0.8513 and the General tab should give a size of 576
> KB (589,881 bytes) and a "Modified" date in local time
> equivalent to 20:57 GMT (UTC) on January 13, 2003. (4)
> Compare this with "File Information" near the end of
> Microsoft Knowledge Base article 814078 at:
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-
> us;814078
> ¶¶ (5) I don't know what would come up if you'd installed
> Jscript 5.1,
5.1.0.8513
> nor what to search for to see whether your
> Visual Basic Scripting (VBS) is as up-to-date as Windows
> Update sometimes demands (or is VBS the same thing as
> JScript?)
VBScript and JScript are both part of Windows Script Host (WSH), it is two
different script languages.
To be sure that you have the latest version installed and up to date, the
following should be (re)installed for Win98:
Microsoft Windows Script 5.6 (Windows 9x, Me, NT4) a.k.a. WSH 5.6
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=0A8A18F6-249C-4A72-BFCF-FC6AF26DC390&displaylang=en
Then, after a boot, you should (re)install the following security patches for
WSH 5.6:
Security Update, February 14, 2002 for WSH 5.6 (vbscript.dll)
Windows Millennium Edition (Windows Me), Windows 98 and NT
http://download.microsoft.com/download/IE60/Patch/Q318089/W9XNT4Me/EN-US/vbs56men.exe
JScript 5.6 Security Patch Q814078 (jscript.dll)
Windows 98 Second Edition and Windows 98
http://www.microsoft.com/windows98/downloads/contents/WUCritical/q814078/default.asp
--
Joe727
> Hi
>
> This one:
>
> Microsoft Windows Script 5.6 (Windows 9x, Me, NT4) a.k.a. WSH 5.6
>
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=0A8A18F6-249C-4A72-BFCF-FC6AF26DC390&displaylang=en
>
Thanks - one other question. Will the fixed patch that is scheduled to be
released on April 2nd include this download? If so, I'll just wait for the
new patch.
Joe
Joe727
> Hi
>
> Find Jscript.dll in the %WINDIR%\System (usually C:\Windows\System)
folder.
>
> Right-click on the file and select "Properties". Select the "Version" tab.
>
> If the file version is 5.x.0.8513, the fix is installed (x can be, 1, 5,
or
> 6)...
>
> --
> torgeir
> Microsoft MVP Scripting and WMI, Porsgrunn Norway
> Administration scripting examples and an ONLINE version of the 1328 page
> Scripting Guide: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/scriptcenter
>
Hi again, I have three entries for Jscript.dll.
Windows\System32 is Version 5.6.0.8513
Windows\LastGood\System32 is Version 5.6.0.6626
Windows\LastGood\System32\DLLCache is Version 5.6.0.6626
Should I delete the two older versions?
Thanks
Joe
Torgeir Bakken (MVP)
> "Torgeir Bakken (MVP)" <Torgeir.B...@hydro.com> wrote in message
> news:3E83BC53...@hydro.com...
> >
> > This one:
> >
> > Microsoft Windows Script 5.6 (Windows 9x, Me, NT4) a.k.a. WSH 5.6
> >
> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=0A8A18F6-249C-4A72-BFCF-FC6AF26DC390&displaylang=en
>
> Thanks - one other question. Will the fixed patch that is scheduled to be
> released on April 2nd include this download?
No.
Torgeir Bakken (MVP)
Hi
I don't think so. The system will update the LastGood folder itself later on if
I'm not mistaken.
Shakescene
front page, tomorrow's page 2,...) and try running Windows
Update again. If you've downloaded (or kept) JScript 5.6
and its updates to get JScript vestion 5.6.0.8513, there
should be a "no updates available" message. If you
haven't, I hope that Windows Update offers the right
updates, but only the necessary ones and no more often
than is necessary.
>.
>
Don
Update page) to download the patches?
Lars-Erik Østerud wrote:
| Lucy [MS] skrev:
|
|| Smart choice, option 1 is not necessary Please ignore 8140078
|| until we fix the issue on our end. Do you have the latest
scripting
|| engine installed?
|
| One thing I really would have is a page (or FTP site) where one can
| manually download all the patches and fixes (not using
WindowsUpdate).
|
| I would feel much more in control, and if any thing went wrong it
| would be nice to be able to fix it manually (yes, I have the
| knowledge, messing about Win system at work all day + an MCPS :-)
Torgeir Bakken (MVP)
> One thing I really would have is a page (or FTP site) where one can
> manually download all the patches and fixes (not using WindowsUpdate).
HOW TO: Download Windows Updates and Drivers from the Windows Update Catalog
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=323166
Joe727
> --
> torgeir
Ok - thanks
Joe
Joe727
> Joe727 wrote:
>
> > "Torgeir Bakken (MVP)" <Torgeir.B...@hydro.com> wrote in message
> > news:3E83BC53...@hydro.com...
> > >
> > > This one:
> > >
> > > Microsoft Windows Script 5.6 (Windows 9x, Me, NT4) a.k.a. WSH 5.6
> > >
> >
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=0A8A18F6-249C-4A72-BFCF-FC6AF26DC390&displaylang=en
> >
> > Thanks - one other question. Will the fixed patch that is scheduled to
be
> > released on April 2nd include this download?
>
> No.
> --
> torgeir
Thanks again.
Joe
Shakescene
seems to be over. Thanks for your information.
But after following your time-consuming advice to verify
my versions by reinstalling Windows Scripting and the two
Security Updates, I now think simple verification could be
done without redundant reinstallations. (I'll try below to
specify simple procedures as clearly and completely to
others whose knowledge is as elementary as mine; I know
that experts could have said it far more concisely and
definitively in their own terms.) However, I may be either
wrong or incomplete, and welcome any corrections or
amplifications.
** ALL OF THE FOLLOWING APPLIES TO WINDOWS 98 SECOND
EDITION ** (and Internet Explorer 6.0); I don't know the
exact details for other OS or IE versions.
¶ To verify the March, 2003, Q814078 patch for
Jscript.dll, which should be version 5.6.0.8513, follow
the method I offered in my message below.
¶ To verify the February, 2002, Q318089 patch for VBScript
(vbs56men.exe) which should be version 5.6.0.7426, use a
similar method, asking "Find" > "Files and Folders" to
find "vbcript.dll" (not just "VBScript" alone). After
right-clicking the icon, click on "Properties" and then
the "Version" tab on the Properties window that should
appear to see the version.
( ¶ Another way to verify the two patches above is
in "System Information" [ Start > Programs > Accessories >
System Tools > System Information, or C:\Program
Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\MSINFO(\MSINFO32), or
Start > Run > MSINFO32 ]: (1) Expand "Internet Explorer"
in the left-hand explorer bar by clicking on the
plus/minus box. (2) Click on "File Versions".
(3) "jscript.dll" should read 5.6.0.8513; 576 KB; 1/13/03
[or 1 day later or earlier]. (4) "vbscript.dll" should
read 5.6.0.7426; 452 KB; 2/26/02 [=/- 1 day]. )
¶ To verify the February, 2003, Windows Script 5.6 version
[scr56en.exe] patched by the above, use "Find" > "Files
and Folders" to find "cscript" and "wscript" (the
application, not the wscript Help file). After right-
clicking their respective icons and clicking "Properties",
the versions should read 5.6.0.6626. But since this
package of 6-14 files is a year later than the Feb. 2002,
Q318089 patch of VBS, it includes that patched version of
vbscript.exe (5.6.0.7426); so, therefore, I'm not sure
that if you have the former, you'd need to download and
install the latter independently.
¶ If any of these versions are less up-to-date, then go
ahead and (re-)install the relevant patches from the sites
suggested by Thorgeir Bakken below in the order he
suggests.
>.
>
Torgeir Bakken (MVP)
Comments inline...
Shakescene wrote:
> All's well that ends well, and this cluster of problems
> seems to be over. Thanks for your information.
>
> But after following your time-consuming advice to verify
> my versions by reinstalling Windows Scripting and the two
> Security Updates, I now think simple verification could be
> done without redundant reinstallations. (I'll try below to
> specify simple procedures as clearly and completely to
> others whose knowledge is as elementary as mine; I know
> that experts could have said it far more concisely and
> definitively in their own terms.) However, I may be either
> wrong or incomplete, and welcome any corrections or
> amplifications.
>
> ** ALL OF THE FOLLOWING APPLIES TO WINDOWS 98 SECOND
> EDITION ** (and Internet Explorer 6.0); I don't know the
> exact details for other OS or IE versions.
>
> ś To verify the March, 2003, Q814078 patch for
> Jscript.dll, which should be version 5.6.0.8513, follow
> the method I offered in my message below.
>
> ś To verify the February, 2002, Q318089 patch for VBScript
> (vbs56men.exe) which should be version 5.6.0.7426, use a
> similar method, asking "Find" > "Files and Folders" to
> find "vbcript.dll" (not just "VBScript" alone). After
> right-clicking the icon, click on "Properties" and then
> the "Version" tab on the Properties window that should
> appear to see the version.
>
> ( ś Another way to verify the two patches above is
> in "System Information" [ Start > Programs > Accessories >
> System Tools > System Information, or C:\Program
> Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\MSINFO(\MSINFO32), or
> Start > Run > MSINFO32 ]: (1) Expand "Internet Explorer"
> in the left-hand explorer bar by clicking on the
> plus/minus box. (2) Click on "File Versions".
> (3) "jscript.dll" should read 5.6.0.8513; 576 KB; 1/13/03
> [or 1 day later or earlier]. (4) "vbscript.dll" should
> read 5.6.0.7426; 452 KB; 2/26/02 [=/- 1 day]. )
>
> ś To verify the February, 2003, Windows Script 5.6 version
> [scr56en.exe] patched by the above, use "Find" > "Files
> and Folders" to find "cscript" and "wscript" (the
> application, not the wscript Help file). After right-
> clicking their respective icons and clicking "Properties",
> the versions should read 5.6.0.6626.
The WSH package (scr56en.exe) installs over 10 files, and sometimes 3rd party
bad install routines includes older versions of one ore more of those files,
and downgrades them. That is why I recommend installing the WSH package to be
sure all files besides the vbscript.dll/jscript.dll are up to date.
> But since this
> package of 6-14 files is a year later than the Feb. 2002,
> Q318089 patch of VBS, it includes that patched version of
> vbscript.exe (5.6.0.7426); so, therefore, I'm not sure
> that if you have the former, you'd need to download and
> install the latter independently.
If you unpack the full WSH 5.6 package (scr56en.exe), you will find that the
newest file in it is dated 6. october 2001 (and vbscript.dll has version
5.6.0.6914), so why the download page states "Date Published: 2/21/2003" for
"File Name: scr56en.exe", is beyond my comprehension. So the Q318089 patch was
released after scr56en.exe and contains vbscript.dll with version 5.6.0.7426.
Also note that even if you reapply scr56en.exe (containing the older
vbscript.dll/jscript.dll) after you have installed Q318089 and/or Q814078, it
will not downgrade the vbscript.dll/jscript.dll.
> ś If any of these versions are less up-to-date, then go
> ahead and (re-)install the relevant patches from the sites
> suggested by Thorgeir Bakken below in the order he
> suggests.
>
--
Shakescene
your first name (and also to anyone who copied my
misspelt "vbcript.dll").
When I unpack 13 files in scr56en.exe, the VBScript.dll
(Visual Basic Scripting) shows as February 2002 and two
other files (Info and Catalog) as April 2002. The JScript
(Java) file is indeed version 5.6.0.6266, as are the
WScript and CScript files, but the VBScript is 5.6.0.7426.
All the other files are dated June 2001. This is from a
duplicate folder which I opened on my Desktop and which I
don't think has actually been installed, although this
folder has been moved around a bit (out of Windows Update
Setup Files as a folder and in and out of the Recycle bin
as a folder for example.) I don't know enough about how
Windows works, so perhaps these files were also modified
by the updates that updated the working files, or
conceivably they're taking their dates and versions from
the working copies of these files, although it seems a
little unlikely to me.
>-----Original Message-----
....
>> ¶ If any of these versions are less up-to-date, then go
>> ahead and (re-)install the relevant patches from the
sites
>> suggested by Thorgeir Bakken below in the order he
>> suggests.
>>
>
>--
>torgeir
>Microsoft MVP Scripting and WMI, Porsgrunn Norway
>Administration scripting examples and an ONLINE version
of the 1328 page
>Scripting Guide:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/scriptcenter
>
>
>.
>
Torgeir Bakken (MVP)
> Thanks for your reply. And my apologies for misspelling
> your first name (and also to anyone who copied my
> misspelt "vbcript.dll").
>
> When I unpack 13 files in scr56en.exe, the VBScript.dll
> (Visual Basic Scripting) shows as February 2002 and two
> other files (Info and Catalog) as April 2002. The JScript
> (Java) file is indeed version 5.6.0.6266, as are the
> WScript and CScript files, but the VBScript is 5.6.0.7426.
> All the other files are dated June 2001.
I would really like to know where you got this scr56en.exe from. If you
download WSH 5.6 (scr56en.exe) from
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=0a8a18f6-249c-4a72-bfcf-fc6af26dc390&DisplayLang=en
it contains the older vbscript.dll v5.6.0.6914 from September 2001.
If I look at the WSH 5.6 that comes with IE6 SP1, in the file SCR56EN.CAB (not
.exe), it contains the updated vbscript.dll v5.6.0.7426.
> This is from a
> duplicate folder which I opened on my Desktop and which I
> don't think has actually been installed, although this
> folder has been moved around a bit (out of Windows Update
> Setup Files as a folder and in and out of the Recycle bin
> as a folder for example.) I don't know enough about how
> Windows works, so perhaps these files were also modified
> by the updates that updated the working files, or
> conceivably they're taking their dates and versions from
> the working copies of these files, although it seems a
> little unlikely to me.
Correct, after you have downloaded scr56en.exe, the files *inside* scr56en.exe
will never be updated by any additional updates you download/install. And when
you extract the files inside scr56en.exe with /c /t:<some path> or by using
Winzip or something similar, they will not take their dates and versions from
the working copies of these files.
Don Miller
Lucy(MS) says to go
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/downloads/list/webdev.asp
You say to go to
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=0A8A18F6-249C-4A72-BFCF-FC6AF26DC390&displaylang=e
Both links end up pointing to the same download. Why do you suggest
one over the other?
Don
"Torgeir Bakken (MVP)" wrote:
Joe727 wrote:
> Thanks for the link. Which one of the downloads on that page are you
> talking about for Windows 98SE?
> Joe
>
> "Lucy [MS]" <a-l...@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:eZ#Ds9I9C...@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > Do you have the latest scripting engine installed?
> > Please install or reinstall from:
> >
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/downloads/list/webdev.asp
Hi
This one:
Microsoft Windows Script 5.6 (Windows 9x, Me, NT4) a.k.a. WSH 5.6
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=0A8A18F6-249C-4A72-BFCF-FC6AF26DC390&displaylang=en
___________________________________<snip>
Protected by A/V, A/T, SFW, FW
Shakescene
The folder could have come, I suppose, from the
scr56en.CAB in Internet Explorer 6.0 Service Pack 1.
Perhaps what was offered on Windows Update changed over
time (as did the patch offered with Q 814078). Is the
version of scr56en.exe in Windows Update Catalog(ue) the
same as what comes from the URL you cite below?
I have a zipped version (an application rather than a
folder) of scr56.exe in "My Download Files", but because
of my inexpertise, I don't know how to look at what's
inside without installing it onto my system. (I have
WinZIP, but barely understand it.)
>-----Original Message-----
>Shakescene wrote:
>
...
>>
>> When I unpack 13 files in scr56en.exe, the VBScript.dll
>> (Visual Basic Scripting) shows as February 2002 and two
>> other files (Info and Catalog) as April 2002. The
JScript
>> (Java) file is indeed version 5.6.0.6266, as are the
>> WScript and CScript files, but the VBScript is
5.6.0.7426.
>> All the other files are dated June 2001.
>
>I would really like to know where you got this
scr56en.exe from. If you
>download WSH 5.6 (scr56en.exe) from
>http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?
FamilyID=0a8a18f6-249c-4a72-bfcf-
fc6af26dc390&DisplayLang=en
>
>it contains the older vbscript.dll v5.6.0.6914 from
September 2001.
>
>If I look at the WSH 5.6 that comes with IE6 SP1, in the
file SCR56EN.CAB (not
>..exe), it contains the updated vbscript.dll v5.6.0.7426.
>
Torgeir Bakken (MVP)
> Torgeir,
> Lucy(MS) says to go
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/downloads/list/webdev.asp
>
>
>
> You say to go to
> http://www.micro
> oft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=0A8A18F6-249C-4A72-BFCF-FC6AF26DC390&displaylang=e
>
> Both links end up pointing to the same download. Why do you suggest one over
> the other?
Hi
Because it was my answer to Joe (jbmsbink@*nospam*cfl.rr.com) on his question
"Which one of the downloads on that page are you talking about for Windows
98SE?". I gave him the direct link to "explain" which of them he should
download.
Torgeir Bakken (MVP)
> An excellent question to which I don't know the answer.
> The folder could have come, I suppose, from the
> scr56en.CAB in Internet Explorer 6.0 Service Pack 1.
That would explain the updated vbscript.dll...
> Perhaps what was offered on Windows Update changed over
> time (as did the patch offered with Q 814078). Is the
> version of scr56en.exe in Windows Update Catalog(ue) the
> same as what comes from the URL you cite below?
I can't locate scr56en.exe at the Windows Update Catalog at all, and I doubt
that it is placed at Windows Update at all. Microsoft only "pushes" complete
WSH engine upgrades through Internet Explorer upgrades as far as I know (only
security updates on specific WSH DLLs as e.g. jscript.dll goes through Windows
Update).
> I have a zipped version (an application rather than a
> folder) of scr56.exe in "My Download Files", but because
> of my inexpertise, I don't know how to look at what's
> inside without installing it onto my system. (I have
> WinZIP, but barely understand it.)
In Explored, right click on scr56en.exe, and select one of the "Extract to"
menu entries.
Alternatively, you can let scr56en.exe extract itself:
1. Create a folder somewhere, e.g. C:\MyScr56
2. Open Start\Run, and from Explorer, drag scr56en.exe into the Run dialog box
(delete any existing text in the box first!).
Don't run it yet, add the following text behind scr56en.exe (note that is a
space before /c):
/c /t:"C:\MyScr56"
So now you will have the following command in the Run box:
"<some path>\scr56en.exe" /c /t:"C:\MyScr56"
Run it to extract the files to the folder C:\MyScr56.
Don
where mine came from but after installing it, I again updated to
Q814078 (js56men.exe) to ensure I had the correct versions of the
various files installed.
Torgeir Bakken (MVP)
> Just a thought - did "scr56en.exe" come from Q291360? I think that is
> where mine came from but after installing it, I again updated to
> Q814078 (js56men.exe) to ensure I had the correct versions of the
> various files installed.
Hi
http://support.microsoft.com/?scid=kb;en-us;291360 gives
http://download.microsoft.com/download/winscript56/Install/5.6/W9XNT4Me/EN-US/scr56en.exe
It also contains the old versions of both vbscript.dll and jscript.dll (but if
you install it, it will not downgrade any newer versions of vbscript.dll or
jscript.dll already installed).
Nevans
I have not as yet attempted to install 814078 because of all of the problems
that were reported with it. If I understand correctly, 814078 should now
work correctly. If that is true, is it necessary to do the other two steps
you mention, ie. WSH 5.6 and the Feb. 14, 2002 security update for WSH 5.6?
In other words, is it now OK to just install 814078 if no attempt had
previously been made?
Thank you,
Nevans
Torgeir Bakken (MVP)
> "Torgeir Bakken (MVP)" <Torgeir.B...@hydro.com> wrote in message
> news:3E83BC53...@hydro.com
> > This one:
> >
> > Microsoft Windows Script 5.6 (Windows 9x, Me, NT4) a.k.a. WSH 5.6
> >
> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=0A8A18F6-249C-4A72-
> BFCF-FC6AF26DC390&displaylang=en
> >
> >
> > Then, after a boot, you should (re)install the following security
> > patches for WSH 5.6:
> >
> > Security Update, February 14, 2002 for WSH 5.6
> > Windows Millennium Edition (Windows Me), Windows 98 and NT
> >
> http://download.microsoft.com/download/IE60/Patch/Q318089/W9XNT4Me/EN-US/vbs
> 56men.exe
> >
> > JScript 5.6 Security Patch Q814078
> > Windows 98 Second Edition and Windows 98
> >
> http://www.microsoft.com/windows98/downloads/contents/WUCritical/q814078/def
> ault.asp
>
> I have not as yet attempted to install 814078 because of all of the problems
> that were reported with it. If I understand correctly, 814078 should now
> work correctly. If that is true, is it necessary to do the other two steps
> you mention, ie. WSH 5.6 and the Feb. 14, 2002 security update for WSH 5.6?
>
> In other words, is it now OK to just install 814078 if no attempt had
> previously been made?
Hi
It would not hurt to install the two other ones first...
Nevans
Thank you. I'll do it.... after making a backup of my system.... just in
case! Yeah, I know, trying to "err on the side of caution". There have
been times when I haven't done that where afterwards I'd wished that I had!
Don
| Don wrote:
|
|| Just a thought - did "scr56en.exe" come from Q291360? I think that
is
|| where mine came from but after installing it, I again updated to
|| Q814078 (js56men.exe) to ensure I had the correct versions of the
|| various files installed.
|
| Hi
|
| http://support.microsoft.com/?scid=kb;en-us;291360 gives
|
http://download.microsoft.com/download/winscript56/Install/5.6/W9XNT4Me/EN-US/scr56en.exe
|
|
|
| It also contains the old versions of both vbscript.dll and
| jscript.dll (but if
| you install it, it will not downgrade any newer versions of
| vbscript.dll or
| jscript.dll already installed).
Thanks for the information - I think I've got it now.
Just to clarify, I'm fairly certain I downloaded and installed
"scr56en.exe" from the link in
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/downloads/list/webdev.asp,
based on Lucy's suggestion of March 27 in this thread.