[cumbia] Origini e appartenenza (kilometrico e spagnolo)
Silvana la Flaca
Cumbia,our Vallenato,Our Music
Newsgroups:soc.culture.colombia
Data:2000/02/18
Am I I the only one who is insulted by Mexicans butchery of our national
pride? Our music is sacred and Mexicans are calling cumbias Mexican
cumbias. There is no such thing! Cumbias are only Colombian. And how
dare they name a group Los Vallenatos! Why are mexican always copying
Colombian music? No, I am not flattered their interpretations. I have
even heard Mexicans claiming that Carlos Vives is Mexican. Imagine
that. A musician that plays typical Colombia music, that speaks
beautiful castellano, and has on many occasions on national t.v. has
been interviewed on his love for his native Colombia and its music. If
Mexicans love Mexico so much, why are they constantly imitating
Colombians? Stick to your mariachis Mexico!
Jean Barresi You may email me with your comments at paulb...@aol.com
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Da:FPelser (fpe...@concentric.net)
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Data:2000/02/18
This has been going on for ages. Mexican
conjuntos got into the cumbia kick as far back as the mid-sixties.
Anyone remembers "Rosa Maria" ? They still love the sound and many
conjuntos still make their money by just playing their version of the
cumbia beat. Now, if they said that they invented the cumbia, I would
question their sanity. The truth is, IMHO, that Mexicans never quite
developed the taste for the many varied newer sounds of the tropics:
salsa, merengue, bachata, bomba, etc. They pretty much got stuck in the
50's with the mambo and the cha-cha-cha, cumbia is then progress. I know
I am going to get flamed, but what the heck.
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Da:PANG (ang...@earthlink.net)
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Newsgroups:soc.culture.colombia
Data:2000/02/19
Tal vez cuando les devolvamos el "rock and roll"
colombiano a los primos gringos, la musica seudomexicana de carrilera a
los Mechicas y el "merengue" a los dominicanos y cuando logremos
impedirle a Julio Iglesias que cante tangos... Lo que quiero decir es
cualquier pais puede componer sinfonias. No hay forma de contrarrestar
lo que esta pasando. Me acuerdo que hace muchos anhos fuimos a Manhattan
dizque a ver el ballet de Delia Zapata Olivella y a oir a los Corraleros
del Majagual que traian como novedad la cancion aquella de "La Burrita."
Todo mas o menos excepto que como a los quince dias estabamos oyendo por
radioWADO la cancion "La Burrita de Eliseo" obra del famoso compositor
portorriquenho -x-x-x- . Eso es robo.
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Da:Roberto Marquez (roberto...@nyc.rr.com)
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Data:2000/03/16
funny i grew up in colombia believing
rancheras were 100% colombian.
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Da:H.G. (gar...@flash.net)
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Data:2000/03/16
Eso pasa cuando no se estudia para obtener conocimientos Universales
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Da:H.G. (gar...@flash.net)
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Data:2000/03/16
That happens when you do not study to learn universal knowledge.
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Da:David Eduardo (amd...@pacbell.net)
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Data:2000/03/18
> In article <20000217224119...@ng-fo1.aol.com>,
> paulb...@aol.com (PAULBARRESI) wrote:
>
>
> > Am I I the only one who is insulted by Mexicans butchery of our national
> > pride? Our music is sacred and Mexicans are calling cumbias Mexican
> > cumbias. There is no such thing! Cumbias are only Colombian. And how
> > dare they name a group Los Vallenatos! Why are mexican always copying
> > Colombian music? No, I am not flattered their interpretations. I have
> > even heard Mexicans claiming that Carlos Vives is Mexican. Imagine
> > that. A musician that plays typical Colombia music, that speaks
> > beautiful castellano, and has on many occasions on national t.v. has
> > been interviewed on his love for his native Colombia and its music. If
> > Mexicans love Mexico so much, why are they constantly imitating
> > Colombians? Stick to your mariachis Mexico!
The cumbia became internationalized in the mid-60's, with artists like
Sonia Lopez and the Sonora Santantera in Mexico and Los Wawancó in
Argentina and Enrique Lynch in Peru and Don Medardo in Ecuador among
many others who picked up the basic elements or the music and adapted it
to their own local audience and tastes. In fact, the first 100%
Cumbia/Colombian tropical music radio station was in Ecuador, if my
memory serves me.
It has been over 30 years since that movement to internationalize the
Cumbia and its related rhythms and local variant are alive and well from
Argentina and Uruguay (Gilda, Ricky Maravilla, et. al.) to Mexico (Los
Vallenatos, Los Mier, Mojado, Los Angeles Azules, etc.) and even Spain.
In fact, tropical music (léase "cumbias") sell more records in Argentina
than the Tango!
Trying to keep music form metamorphosing or internationalizing is silly.
Imagine if a waltz could only be played in Austria!
The fact is that the Cumbia is a proud ambassador of Colombia, but it
has taken up permanent residence all over the Americas and has adapted
to local conditions in each place! This is not something to lament but
rather something to be proud of.
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Da:luke (stepekN...@televar.com.invalid)
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Data:2000/03/18
Greetings from North America - near Canada...I have
just purchase my first cumbia CD..with artists Aniseto Molina, Los
Hermanos Flores, Jhose Lora and other. It is so nice to hear the
cumbia. Would anyone give me some suggestions as to other cumbia
artists and also salsa...thank you
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Da:Carlos Davila (c...@seas.smu.edu)
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Data:2000/03/19
Well said David, when I was growing up in Colombia, you could not escape
listening to Mariachi music, it was everywhere. Jose Alfredo Jimenez was
a household name. Last year, visiting a small town in Santander, I heard
Musica NorteNa (Mexican), blaring from some cafe'. This is all well and
good, as long as we dont lose sight of our cultural heritage-and that IS
something to be concerned about. I walked into a music store in Bogota
and asked the young lady working there for a CD by Jose Morales
(traditional Colombian folk music) and she had never heard of him!
Sadly, my young nephews also seem to be only interested in Metallica and
Nirvana.
Regards,
Carlos
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Da:Suave Nyc1 (suav...@aol.com)
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Data:2000/03/22
its called cultural diffusion asshole. Colombia
shouldn't even talk. we got groups like Niche and Alquimia copying cuban
and puertorican salsa! We're just as guilty as mexico. Why don't the
puertoricans get mad when a venezuelan group uses the name Salserin. Who
cares if the mexicans have a group called los vallenatos. it all
pointless. If anything we should be proud that people like are music and
wanna copy it. I've heard a few mexican renditions of our cumbia and its
different but i like it. the mexicans have thier own flavor thats
interesting and fun.
Da:Sadys Rodrigo Espitia (sr...@columbia.edu)
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I understand where Jean is coming from..when I first really got involved
with Colombian music it would upset me whenever I heard a Mexican
cumbia, or when I had to argue with my Dominican girlfriend that "El
Africano" was actually a Colombian song, and not a Wilfrido Vargas
original...or when people dance vallenato as if it were a bachata.....
BUT....I also discovered that Colombian music (recorded in Colombia)
included tangos, boleros, rancheras, and salsa. So we all adapt each
other's music, and that's the part of the evolution of any music.
Mexicans and Central Americans have their version of cumbia. Colombia
with Grupo Niche has its own style of salsa. In the early 1900's,
several Colombian bambucos, after performed in Cuba, became so popular
that they were considered Cuban music....there are are other
examples....
I also remember when I visited Cartagena, Colombia back in 1991, and I
listened to the radio and heard no cumbia at all!! What I heard was
merengue, salsa, vallenato, and champeta! It upset me to think that not
even in Colombia was cumbia being appreciated. So who appreciates our
folkloric music....colombians living outside of Colombia, and the rest
of Latin America. For example : Lisandro Meza who's way more popular in
Peru than in Colombia!!! Sonora Dinamita.....idols in Mexico and Central
America, but not really appreciated IN Colombia!
Now if others like Jean felt strongly about this musical "plagiarism" or
international acceptance of Colombian music, maybe they should support
local Colombian folkloric groups as much as possible. How?? I don't
know. Here in New York City, there's just a handful of Colombian
folkloric groups that surely could need some support in order to
preserve our national rhythms. Colombia has over 50 different types of
music from the different departments....and cumbia just happens to be
the one that crossed over and will always be a source of pride for
Colombians.
Sadys Rodrigo Espitia
SONIDOS COLOMBIANOS WKCR 89.9FM New York Sundays 10pm-11pm
"Promoviendo el folclor de TODA COLOMBIA!"
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Ciao, Silvana la Flaca
Silvana la Flaca
(autorotfl, scusate! *mi sono confusa* nello scrivere il *subject*!)
rewind and re-play; disse un Colombiano in INGLESE:
> Our music is sacred and Mexicans are calling cumbias Mexican
> cumbias.
e cosi' via....