Independant Voters becoming Camarilla
Orpheus
What if an independant vampire with, say, 2 votes, becomes Camarilla ? Does
he still have the 2 Votes ? Is he considered a Prince ?
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LSJ
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> (yes, today is questions day before weird deck construction...)
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> What if an independant vampire with, say, 2 votes, becomes Camarilla ? Does
> he still have the 2 Votes ? Is he considered a Prince ?
Yes. No.
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Orpheus
Does
> > he still have the 2 Votes ? Is he considered a Prince ?
>
> Yes. No.
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3C879949.7E3DE60C%40white-wolf.com
Thank you. Which brings one more question to my mind : what if a vampire
with 2 votes gains a Princeship, does he lose his 2 original votes ?
James Coupe
<orph...@wanadoo.fr> writes:
>What if an independant vampire with, say, 2 votes, becomes Camarilla ? Does
>he still have the 2 Votes ?
Yes. The votes aren't tied to a sect or clan (unlike titles).
>Is he considered a Prince ?
No. You need the actual title for that.
(Similarly, a vampire with 0 votes who gets a Legendary Vampire isn't
suddenly a Prince either.)
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LSJ
>
> > > What if an independant vampire with, say, 2 votes, becomes Camarilla ?
> Does
> > > he still have the 2 Votes ? Is he considered a Prince ?
> >
> > Yes. No.
> > http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3C879949.7E3DE60C%40white-wolf.com
>
> Thank you. Which brings one more question to my mind : what if a vampire
> with 2 votes gains a Princeship, does he lose his 2 original votes ?
If the 2 votes are a title, yes. [RTR 10-NOV-1995]
A vampire with a title who gains a new title loses the old one. [10]
LSJ
>
> In message <aojmk4$cro$1...@news-reader11.wanadoo.fr>, Orpheus
> <orph...@wanadoo.fr> writes:
> >What if an independant vampire with, say, 2 votes, becomes Camarilla ? Does
> >he still have the 2 Votes ?
>
> Yes. The votes aren't tied to a sect or clan (unlike titles).
Careful - it is a title.
The votes from the "MyName has 2 votes" title aren't tied to a sect
or clan.
Chris Arthur
> James Coupe wrote:
> >
> > In message <aojmk4$cro$1...@news-reader11.wanadoo.fr>, Orpheus
> > <orph...@wanadoo.fr> writes:
> > >What if an independant vampire with, say, 2 votes, becomes Camarilla ? Does
> > >he still have the 2 Votes ?
> >
> > Yes. The votes aren't tied to a sect or clan (unlike titles).
>
> Careful - it is a title.
> The votes from the "MyName has 2 votes" title aren't tied to a sect
> or clan.
Why should "MyName has 2 votes" titles be any different from sabbat or
camarilla titles?
James Coupe
Arthur <chr...@comcen.com.au> writes:
>Why should "MyName has 2 votes" titles be any different from sabbat or
>camarilla titles?
The rulebook. See [6.3.4] and the fact that nowhere in the rulebook are
these particular titles tied to clan or sect.
Evilcloneofbrian
>camarilla titles?
Also storywise, because Thetmes (for example) gets his two votes because he is
a big BADASS who rules in Alamut.
If he were to join the Camarilla, they would not tell him to give up control of
Alamut, so he would retain his political say in things.
Princes, on the other hand, must answer to the Camarilla. It is the Camarilla
organization itself which allows the vampire recognition as a Prince, and
should he or she leave the Camarilla, they have no reason to allow the vampire
Princeship.
In short, if you got your power because a sect gave it to you, then leaving
that sect means they will take it away. Independent vampires who have a say in
politics are powerful because of what they have accomplished or seized, not
what they have been appointed to.
-- Brian
LSJ
> Why should "MyName has 2 votes" titles be any different from sabbat or
> camarilla titles?
The Camarilla titles are, by definition, Camarilla titles.
The Sabbat titles are, by definition, Sabbat titles.
"MyName has 2 votes" is not, by definition, an independent title.
Petri Wessman
LSJ> Chris Arthur wrote:
>> Why should "MyName has 2 votes" titles be any different from sabbat or
>> camarilla titles?
LSJ> The Camarilla titles are, by definition, Camarilla titles.
LSJ> The Sabbat titles are, by definition, Sabbat titles.
LSJ> "MyName has 2 votes" is not, by definition, an independent title.
Now I'm confused. I thought the independent vampires with votes were
considered to be titled vampires, for Free States Rant purposes etc.?
//Petri
LSJ
Yes.
The title in question is not, however, a title that is tied to being
Independent (contrast with "Bishop" which is a title that is tied to
being Sabbat).
DJ.Mik
> Orpheus wrote:
> >
> > > > What if an independant vampire with, say, 2 votes, becomes Camarilla ?
> Does
> > > > he still have the 2 Votes ? Is he considered a Prince ?
> > >
> > > Yes. No.
> > > http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3C879949.7E3DE60C%40white-wolf.com
> >
> > Thank you. Which brings one more question to my mind : what if a vampire
> > with 2 votes gains a Princeship, does he lose his 2 original votes ?
>
> If the 2 votes are a title, yes. [RTR 10-NOV-1995]
>
> A vampire with a title who gains a new title loses the old one. [10]
And this means that "the Baron" with Writ of acceptance and Praxis
Seizure: Dallas would have 4 votes ?
True or false ??
DJ Mik
Jozxyqk
>>
>> A vampire with a title who gains a new title loses the old one. [10]
> And this means that "the Baron" with Writ of acceptance and Praxis
> Seizure: Dallas would have 4 votes ?
> True or false ??
As stated, The Baron's 2 votes are a Title. So, no.