LSJ: Question about Slaves:
Jon Stahler
gargoyles are in general Independant, if they are a camarilla slave or a
sabbat slave, does that make them part of that sect? I assume so since it
doesn't specify Independant on the card text.
LSJ
Card text applies, yes. See also: Lucita et al.
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Reyda
"Jon Stahler" <sta...@staff.uiuc.edu> a écrit dans le message news:
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and what if a Sabbat Tremere slave's master is mind raped, then equipped
with a Writ of acceptance, thus not being Sabbat anymore ? wouldn't have
been wiser to print "Tremere slave" and "Tremere antitribu slave ", with the
matching clan symbols ?
reyda
LSJ
> what if a Sabbat Tremere slave's master is ... equipped
> with a Writ of acceptance, thus not being Sabbat anymore ? wouldn't have
> been wiser to print "Tremere slave" and "Tremere antitribu slave ", with the
> matching clan symbols ?
>
> reyda
Read the rule again. He's Camarilla and he's a Tremere Slave.
The slave rule works only on clan, not on sect.
Jon Stahler
Sect designation, which is not present here. Didn't know if you meant that
Saxum is a Camarilla and beyond that a Slave to the regular Tremere or if
you meant they were slaves to the Camarilla Tremere. Thanks again for the
clarification.
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LSJ
>
> Thanks. The only reason I asked is that usually there is a colon after the
> Sect designation, which is not present here. Didn't know if you meant that
> Saxum is a Camarilla and beyond that a Slave to the regular Tremere or if
> you meant they were slaves to the Camarilla Tremere. Thanks again for the
> clarification.
>
> "LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message
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> > Jon Stahler wrote:
> > >
> > > Saxum's special text says "Camarilla Tremere Slave." Even though the
> > > gargoyles are in general Independant, if they are a camarilla slave or a
> > > sabbat slave, does that make them part of that sect? I assume so since
> it
> > > doesn't specify Independant on the card text.
> >
> > Card text applies, yes. See also: Lucita et al.
Both the Sect and Slave status come before the colon, which is still present,
yes.
Jon Stahler
> > > Card text applies, yes. See also: Lucita et al.
>
> Both the Sect and Slave status come before the colon, which is still
present,
> yes.
This also raises another question: will there be other non-gargoyle
vampires who are slaves?
Reyda
"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> a écrit dans le message news:
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> Reyda wrote:
> > what if a Sabbat Tremere slave's master is ... equipped
> > with a Writ of acceptance, thus not being Sabbat anymore ? wouldn't have
> > been wiser to print "Tremere slave" and "Tremere antitribu slave ", with
the
> > matching clan symbols ?
> >
> > reyda
>
> Read the rule again. He's Camarilla and he's a Tremere Slave.
> The slave rule works only on clan, not on sect.
thank you =)
and what about a Gargoyle who clan impersonates into a tremere ? does this
allow them to get rid of their masters ?
(say now that Saxum is a tremere and can act of his own, i'll play golconda
on Rebekka)
reyda
LSJ
> and what about a Gargoyle who clan impersonates into a tremere ?
A ready Tremere is sufficient for a Tremere slave to take a (D) action;
even a Gargoyle CI'ed to be a Tremere will do (card/rule text).
Roger Carhult
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And what if you put a Blood Dool on a camarilla slave, does he then become a
Camarilla Vitae Slave? :P
[joke]
Roger
James Coupe
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>Reyda wrote:
>> and what about a Gargoyle who clan impersonates into a tremere ?
>
>A ready Tremere is sufficient for a Tremere slave to take a (D) action;
>even a Gargoyle CI'ed to be a Tremere will do (card/rule text).
And a Slave Gargoyle who Impersonated to the relevant clan would be
sufficient for himself, right?
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vermillian
> Reyda wrote:
> > and what about a Gargoyle who clan impersonates into a tremere ?
>
> A ready Tremere is sufficient for a Tremere slave to take a (D) action;
> even a Gargoyle CI'ed to be a Tremere will do (card/rule text).
Man, those lan Impersonations are becoming more nad more useful (and
with more and more disc. being created, lets not forget to mention Ian
FOrestal, too).
~SV
vermillian
Well... really... all vampires are slaves of the methusula (sp!). :)
~SV
Halcyan 2
>with a Writ of acceptance, thus not being Sabbat anymore ? wouldn't have
>been wiser to print "Tremere slave" and "Tremere antitribu slave ", with the
>matching clan symbols ?
Well I'm pretty sure that most of the gargoyles will either be "Camarilla
Tremere Slave," "Sabbat Tremere Antitribu Slave," or "Independent." And a
Sabbat Tremere (who equipped a make-believe Sabbat version of Writ) would still
count as a Tremere (for the Tremere Slave) and a Camarilla Tremere Antitribu
will still count as Tremere Antitribu (for the Tremere Antitribu Slave). I
think the first part (Camarilla/Sabbat) tells you the sect of the gargoyle (not
what the master needs to be).
Halcyan 2
Tobias Loehr
> vampires who are slaves?
If not, is there a card that makes slaves....;)
andrea
> > This also raises another question: will there be other non-gargoyle
> > vampires who are slaves?
>
>
> If not, is there a card that makes slaves....;)
AAbt kindred are de facto Nefertiti slaves (or was kemintiri? you
never got an eldb around when you need it)
Andrea
Halcyan 2
>never got an eldb around when you need it)
Well, not exactly. Aabt Kindred can't Malleable Visage for Nefertiti (and
there's a difference).
Yes, Nefertiti and Kemintiri are both 4th gen Followers of Set (both sired by
Set himself).
Keminitir is just kick-ass! She's number one on the red list for assassinating
a previous Ventrue Justicar and taking his place (and she successfully
masqueraded as Ventrue Justicar for quite a while). You also knows Bardo (she
can't remember whether she was originally a Children of Osiris set to
infiltrate the Followers of Set or the other way around). A shame that time has
had its toll on her sanity (amnesia and personality problems). In any case,
she's not exactly a team player when it comes to her plan (doesn't really care
much 'bout the "clan."). In Jyhad/VTES Kemintiri isn't that great (but she's
still cool). She has a simply wonderful picture by Ken Meyer Jr. and a pretty
cool discipline spread (aus dom OBF PRE SER THA is nothing to sneeze at!). Her
special's a bit weak though. Appropriate for the backstory But not that useful.
What's she going to do if she decides to attack a Ventrue? And she even has the
penalty that she can get attacked back! But Keminitir is still cool!
Nefertiti is also a 4th gen Setite. She's in Berlin By Night. She was
originally a princess that was embraced by Set. Unlike Kemintiri, she actually
does her best to serve her master. Working with a bane mummy and her Aabt
"slaves," she attempts to seize control of Berlin by throwing the city into
chaos with a "false Caine" (Ankla Hotep). Unfortunately, despite her Methusaleh
intellect, she still manages to do the whole "tell the good guys her entire
plan since they're going to die anyway" thing. And Samat shows up to save the
PC's and they have to stop "Caine" themselves, or get Tremere super-Justicar
Karl Schrekt to do it for them. In any case, in Jyhad/VTES Nefertiti is pretty
vicious too (but then again, Nefertiti was FN and Keminitir was AH, which
explains things). The picture (by Lawrence Snelly) is also extremely lovely. In
fact, I'd have to argue that the Followers of Set has the best female vamps
(with Aisha, Keminitir, and Nefertiti). Mmmm... Well back to the topic. As a FN
vamp, Nefertiti gets some more points. Can't do too much with cel DOM OBF pot
PRE SER. The Dominate of course works quite well if the other Setities. But
Celerity isn't particularly scary on a Setite and all the Potence is likely to
do is shatter some Meat Hooks. Interestingly enough though, Intisar, Nefertiti,
and Sutekh all have cel pot (in addition to superiors for all in-clans). In
addition, Nefertiti's corruption special has been waited for for quite some
time. And then top it off with a bleed bonus. Quite nice.
Okay, I think I got off on a tangent. But to conclude, while Keminitiri and
Nefertiti are both lovely ladies, you shouldn't be getting them confused!!!
=)
Halcyan 2
LSJ
Correct. [LSJ 29-OCT-2001]
Tobias Loehr
> (with Aisha, Keminitir, and Nefertiti). Mmmm...
yes....they are nice. But are you forgetting about Kalinda, Raven,
Camille Devereux? And don't even get me started on Tara Vaughn and
Dolphin Black (not the faces here people)...
James Coupe
Would it be terribly inappropriate for me to mention Salinger here? Or
Lazverinus?
(Chaqun a son gout etc.)
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Francois Gombault
Loehr" <tlo...@satx.rr.com> wrote:
Melisande. Just. Melisande.
You know, she probably was a real woman before being Photoshoppized by
Christopher Shy. We should ask him her phone number.
Francois,
who already posted this on VTES-francophone,
let's all speak french !
Francois Gombault
<ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote:
>>yes....they are nice. But are you forgetting about Kalinda, Raven,
>>Camille Devereux? And don't even get me started on Tara Vaughn and
>>Dolphin Black (not the faces here people)...
>
> Would it be terribly inappropriate for me to mention Salinger here? Or
> Lazverinus?
>
>
>
> (Chaqun a son gout etc.)
>
Basically anything non-nosferatu is accepted, with Renegade Garou being
somewhat near the limit.
Francois
Tobias Loehr
> Would it be terribly inappropriate for me to mention Salinger here? Or
> Lazverinus?
>
Hahaha, not at all, to each their own....besides I would love to be
buffed like Salinger....
Reyda
"Francois Gombault" <fgom...@actinvoispam.net> a écrit dans le message
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> Melisande. Just. Melisande.
> You know, she probably was a real woman before being Photoshoppized by
> Christopher Shy. We should ask him her phone number.
Yeah ! maybe you can have her additional stroke too...
While we're talking about vampiric phantasma, have you ever considered the
uber cool looking Gillin Krader ?
reyda
Halcyan 2
Camille is nice of course (though it's sort of cheating - copying from a
Victoria's Secret catalog and all!) However, Raven isn't really all that. I
guess Tura and Dolphin have...a lot of cleavage we'll say, but overall they are
quite disgusting! Dolphin's too demented and weird lookin' and Tura's just
plain scary... Still deciding on Kalinda though... =)
Halcyan 2
Halcyan 2
>
>You know, she probably was a real woman before being Photoshoppized by
>Christopher Shy. We should ask him her phone number.
Definitely. Melisande is also very lovely.
BTW: I didn't say that the Followers of Set was the *only* clan to have some
lovely ladies. I'm just saying that the Followers have the most!
Don't forget Stanislava, Arika, Genevieve, Anneke, Nakova, and Cassandra! =)
Halcyan 2
Halcyan 2
>Lazverinus?
I'll have to admit that Salinger is quite good-looking (for a guy, of course.
Perhaps, like Melisande, Salinger's a real person?). But I have to re-iterate
that despite his hand damage, Lazverinus looks too much like a pansy!
I'll also have to give kudos to Caliban, Gillespi, Samat, and our dear friend
Smudge! Maybe Jost too...
(You know, this thread is rapidly becoming just like that Beefcake thread that
was started oh so long ago). =)
Halcyan 2
Francois Gombault
<halc...@aol.com> wrote:
> Definitely. Melisande is also very lovely.
>
> BTW: I didn't say that the Followers of Set was the *only* clan to have
> some lovely ladies. I'm just saying that the Followers have the most!
>
>
I agree. But I bet even the lovely poisonous Setites will have a tough
competition with the upcoming Arhimanes...
Wait and see...
Francois
James Coupe
<halc...@aol.com> writes:
>Don't forget Stanislava, Arika, Genevieve, Anneke, Nakova, and Cassandra! =)
Is it true that Mike Ooi has pornography of Mariel, Lady Thunder?
James Coupe
<halc...@aol.com> writes:
>But I have to re-iterate
>that despite his hand damage, Lazverinus looks too much like a pansy!
You say that like it's a bad thing.
jeroen rombouts
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Jeroen
Reyda
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Great ! i like tall girls, you know =)
I want to find one sooo big people think i'm her keyholder or something ;)
Santiago
>> Nah. Too much Xena, for my tastes.
>
>Great ! i like tall girls, you know =)
>I want to find one sooo big people think i'm her keyholder or something ;)
But Lucy Lawless isn't actually all that tall. (I know she's less
than 5'6".) They just hire short people for the show to make her look
taller.
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>In message <20011031004823...@mb-dh.aol.com>, Halcyan 2
><halc...@aol.com> writes:
>>Don't forget Stanislava, Arika, Genevieve, Anneke, Nakova, and Cassandra! =)
>
>Is it true that Mike Ooi has pornography of Mariel, Lady Thunder?
No. You're thinking of Tereza Rostas.
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....salem christ....
> Jon Stahler wrote:
> >
> > Saxum's special text says "Camarilla Tremere Slave." Even though the
> > gargoyles are in general Independant, if they are a camarilla slave or a
> > sabbat slave, does that make them part of that sect? I assume so since it
> > doesn't specify Independant on the card text.
>
> Card text applies, yes. See also: Lucita et al.
i bet i am hell late on this, but....
from the image of the vampire, it looks like "camarilla" is in bold, and
"tremere slave" is in non-bold.
therefore, the vampire is camarilla, and he needs a tremere out to take D
actions. whether that tremere is camarilla or not is irrelevant. (note
that tremere is a clan, not a sect. and thus a tremere anti with a writ
of acceptance is still a tremere anti, he is just in the camarilla for
some reason, for the case where you might see "SABBAT Tremere antitribu
slave")
salem.
LSJ
They're both bold, but your statement is otherwise correct, by the rules
on "Slave" quoted on that page. http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/BLgar.html