Just one; that's all I ask
Eric Payne
trend, there has been at least one member of the group participating
in the competition is homosexual, be it male or female.
This year's competition on/in Big Brother 2 is no exception. One of
the contests vying for $500,000 was Bunky - an openly gay man who was,
last night, evicted from the house.
The basic premise of the show is 12 strangers living in total
isolation for 12 weeks; one person per week being voted out after
being nominated for eviction by the person who won that week's Head of
Household competition. Part of the "entertainment value" of the show
is, apparently, the "thrill" of watching back-stabbing, lying
manipulators at work.
Two weeks ago, Bunky won a luxury competition in which the prize was a
"letter from home." As Bunky is reading the letter, aloud, on air, the
video shows Bunky's partner, David, writing the letter, and his
narration slowly blending into, and replacing, Bunky's reading.
The caption under David's video identified him as "Bunky's Husband."
Okay, that was two weeks ago... surely there was at least ONE
heterosexual marriage that came to a sudden, crashing end because a
homosexual man was identified as being another man's husband, right?
Isn't that the argument? That same-sex marriage would destroy marriage
for heterosexuals?
Last night, after Bunky's eviction, he was met by his partner. CBS
showed them hugging; they broadcast Bunky's crying at seeing his
partner after over 60 days; CBS didn't cut the audio of Bunky and
David almost simultaneously saying "I love you," and the didn't cut
away as the two men kissed - all actions normal for any couple that
had been separated by some obligation, rather than a separation prior
to ending a relationship.
Once again, David was identified via caption as "Bunky's Husband."
Surely, this morning, at least one child somewhere who viewed the show
woke up this morning homosexual, right? Again, there has to be a
heterosexual marriage that suddenly had been devalued to the point of
disintegration, correct?
Those ARE the points being put forth to stop same-gender marriage, as
well as banning homosexuals from adoptiong children.
As a homosexual man, I'll make anyone this deal: Show me ONE. Just
one. One child that suddenly became homosexual after watching the two
partners embrace. Just ONE heterosexual marriage that crashed and
burned after having a homosexual man publicly identified as being the
husband of another man.
Do that, and - upon independent verification - I'll switch sides...
and I'll become one of the loudest opponents of homosexual marriage
and/or the adoption of children by homosexuals.
That's all you have to do. There's tens of millions of people who,
three times a week, view this show. All you need to do is find ONE.
Eric Payne
Livermore, CA
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Natalie Davis
>Like all "reality" television shows since the beginning of the current
>trend, there has been at least one member of the group participating
>in the competition is homosexual, be it male or female.
>
>This year's competition on/in Big Brother 2 is no exception. One of
>the contests vying for $500,000 was Bunky - an openly gay man who was,
>last night, evicted from the house.
And he was the most popular guy in the house! The reason he was evicted:
Because William "Bunky" Miller, of Harrisburg, NC, was the STRONGEST and
MOST HONEST, DECENT, AND COMPASSIONATE player.
I am so proud of Bunky I could burst. He had the guts to come out as gay on
national TV. He was not afraid to show himself as a sensitive (sometimes
too sensitive; he shed LOTS of tears in the house--and his husband, whose
name is Gregg, btw, says that's Bunky, always cryin'), yet he showed some
real guts in the house most of the time. He didn't stoop to the
manipulations going on and played an almost totally honest, um,
straightforward game. He stood up to the homophobic remarks made by his
macho-jerk housemates, and in the process taught them a lot about gay and
lesbian lives and that we are people worthy of respect. He smashed the
stereotype of gay promiscuity by introducing America to a gay man in a
longtime monogamous, lifelong committed relationship. (One female
houseguest even remarked that Bunky had the best husband in the world.) He
endured being chastised by the mayor of his town for being an unworthy
choice to represent Harrisburg. He stayed true to his faith, even letting
the houseguests know how insulted he was when they had the nerve to giggle
as he and Monica Bailey (another houseguest) said grace over dinner. He
even made friends with a guy from Tennessee, a surly redneck type who went
from saying "gays are sick and perverted" to saying he respected and cared
for Bunky, that he would be proud to be friends with him from now on, and
that he wanted Bunky to come to his home and meet his family. In his one
instance of choosing himself over his houseguests, he won a special prize
of $5000, during a competition that forced all the houseguests to eat only
peanut butter and jelly for four consecutive days. He won a string of
competitions in the house, including one where America chose him out of
everyone there to receive a letter from home (the houseguests are cut off
from contact with the outside world while they're in the house)--and shared
a warm, loving letter from his husband of 13 years to the folks in the
house--and America. When he walked into the house nine weeks ago, he was a
doughy guy with a K-mart budget and similar tastes, but while there, he
lost 20 pounds and worked out... becoming a really buff, handsome,
chic-looking guy who shed NO TEARS when he departed. He may not have won
the half million, but Bunky Miller walked out of that house a WINNER.
And America is still standing. Who'd a-thunk it? :)
I am so proud of Bunky... and the glbt community should cheer him and call
him what he is... a hero for the community and a real American hero. Not
because he was on a stupid game show, but because of what he taught America
in the process.
By the way, it appears one heterosexual marriage is teetering... but it's
not because of Bunky. It's because another houseguest, Nicole Nilson
Schaffrich, a chef from Atlanta who grew up in and out of reform schools
and a racist who condemned all African-Americans as being unable to use the
language properly when she didn't realize America was listening (a really
vile and stupid human, this Nicole is), and was married to her husband Jeff
only four months ago, could not keep her hands off the boys (two nights
ago, she sat in the laps of the male houseguests, including Bunky,
trying--unsuccessfully--to arouse them sexually) and her husband finally
got pissed off. In other words, the threat to heterosexual marriage is
HETEROSEXUALS. And America saw that, too.
As a rule, I don't like reality shows. I don't like the backstabbing and
double-dealing. I was taught that it's not whether you win or lose, it's
how you play the game, and I still believe that. But seeing Bunky in action
on Big Brother 2 was just terrific. As I've been saying for nine weeks, YOU
GO BUNKY!
I hope the community embraces this guy. We don't get handed, in Bunky's
word, such fantabulous role models every day. I want to see him be grand
marshal of a hundred Pride parades next year.
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Eric Payne
ruining her marriage because they just got married, isn't helping her marriage by continuously being in the presence, solo, of Will
and Hardy. Hell, she even sleeps with Hardy - in the same room, although obstensibly in different beds. She and Hardy are constantly
touching each other; although they claim their relationship to be like "siblings," I don't recall seeing, in my life, many brothers
and sisters sitting side by side, their hands resting on the other's thigh.
I agree with you. Bunky should be praised; his being and personality - and the way in which CBS televised his relationship in the "no
big deal" way they did - has gone a long, long way to help show people in this country that our lives are just like theirs... and the
gender of the person with whom we share emotional and physical bonds is not the totality of our beings.
When it comes time to nominate a Pride Grand Marshall next year, I hope the City's Pride Committee remembers Bunky, nominates him, and
springs for his and Greg's airfare out here.
Eric Payne
Livermore, CA
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Natalie Davis
>I was trying to think of a way to work that in: How Nicole, a newlywed
>who's bitched time and time again as to this competition
>ruining her marriage because they just got married, isn't helping her
>marriage by continuously being in the presence, solo, of Will
>and Hardy. Hell, she even sleeps with Hardy - in the same room, although
>obstensibly in different beds. She and Hardy are constantly touching each
>other; although they claim their relationship to be like "siblings," I
>don't recall seeing, in my life, many brothers and sisters sitting side by
>side, their hands resting on the other's thigh.
Yeah... sick siblings... I could not understand when Nicole shaved Hardy
and Will's entire--and I mean--entire bodies. Doesn't she realize that's
inappropriate behavior in a situation that is sexually charged by intent?
All that flirting, etc. I couldn't understand why her husband hadn't blown
up earlier, seeing her antics. I do wish CBS had depicted Nicole more
honestly... the racist bit went pretty much unnoticed until folks
(including me) who saw her comment during the Internet feed of household
goings-on and spread the word far and wide. They had no problem
broadcasting Hardy, Will, and Kent's anti-gay jokes and slurs, but they
stayed away from showing the racism in the house. So I give CBS only
partial credit. It did my heart to good to see most of the BB fans cheering
on Bunky, but I was disheartened to realize that many Americans on BB
message boards and in chat rooms still have no problem dissing
African-Americans as a whole. I am not a fan of the BB mentality of winning
at all costs; to some of us integrity is still all-important. And Bunky
kept his. That Nicole, though, is just trash. And as yet, she has no clue
that more and more BB fans have turned against her because of her slutty
behavior and racism--she is still insisting that she's a good, caring
person. Ha. She sat up alone most of last night wondering what other awful
thing will happen to her next. My message to her is, you reap what you sow.
>I agree with you. Bunky should be praised; his being and personality - and
>the way in which CBS televised his relationship in the "no big deal" way
>they did - has gone a long, long way to help show people in this country
>that our lives are just like theirs... and the gender of the person with
>whom we share emotional and physical bonds is not the totality of our beings.
Yes, but they, to be fair, cast Bunky simply because they wanted fireworks
between him and Kent, the Tennessee redneck. CBS was shocked when that
didn't happen. CBS treated Bunky and Gregg with the dignity and respect
they deserve, but the network did some slimy things too.
>When it comes time to nominate a Pride Grand Marshall next year, I hope
>the City's Pride Committee remembers Bunky, nominates him, and springs for
>his and Greg's airfare out here.
I'm going to suggest the same thing to Baltimore's Pride committee. I
really want to meet Bunky, shake his hand, give him a big hug, and say thanks.
natalie
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This is message #224.
Chief Thracian
wrote:
>Okay, that was two weeks ago... surely there was at least ONE
>heterosexual marriage that came to a sudden, crashing end because a
>homosexual man was identified as being another man's husband, right?
>Isn't that the argument? That same-sex marriage would destroy marriage
>for heterosexuals?
Gay bashing is becoming a national TV pastime. Hold onto your seat,
for this is just the beginning! Watch faggots and dykes run for their
lives, through the swamps of Alabama, as red-blooded Yahoos hunt 'em
down for the grand prize: a date with Bodacious Babs, who is
guaranteed 100% heterosexual and 200% gaga over straight men!
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This is message #230.
Eric Payne
<chieft...@runbox.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 31 Aug 2001 12:10:05 GMT, Eric Payne <jeric...@home.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Okay, that was two weeks ago... surely there was at least ONE
>>heterosexual marriage that came to a sudden, crashing end because a
>>homosexual man was identified as being another man's husband, right?
>>Isn't that the argument? That same-sex marriage would destroy marriage
>>for heterosexuals?
>
>Gay bashing is becoming a national TV pastime. Hold onto your seat,
>for this is just the beginning! Watch faggots and dykes run for their
>lives, through the swamps of Alabama, as red-blooded Yahoos hunt 'em
>down for the grand prize: a date with Bodacious Babs, who is
>guaranteed 100% heterosexual and 200% gaga over straight men!
This is a PRIME example of what I was talking about concerning you,
Ezekiel: You get an idea in your head and run with it. It doesn't
matter that you've misread and that you're WRONG... all that matters
is your interpretation should be taken as the ONLY interpretation.
There was absolutely NO gaybashing going on with Big Brother. None. I
was commending CBS for the manner in which they, matter-of-factly,
presented to the viewing audience Bunky, and Bunky's partner Gregg, as
his husband. And doing it as a matter-of-fact, with no extra attention
- either negative or positive - focused on their relationship is an
ideal to which I would hope everyone could one day rise.
Also, in doing it so matter-of-fact, and with the identification, in
caption, of Gregg being Bunky's "husband," it provides a unique
opportunity to confront those who claim the validity of same-gender
marriages would, somehow, devalue and destroy heterosexual marriages.
You know... something that might help you... actually read - for
content - the messages to which you're responding! If you can't do
that before you start to respond, at least try to before you hit the
"send" button.
Eric Payne
Livermore, CA
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This is message #233.
Chief Thracian
wrote:
>There was absolutely NO gaybashing going on with Big Brother.
Then you either haven't read, or ignored reading, others' comments on
this issue.
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This is message #235.
D Stephen Heersink
viewed "Big Brother 2" on CBS, particularly as it applies to the gay
person who was "evicted" and his reunion with his partner from home:
>As a homosexual man, I'll make anyone this deal: Show me ONE. Just
>one. One child that suddenly became homosexual after watching the two
>partners embrace. Just ONE heterosexual marriage that crashed and
>burned after having a homosexual man publicly identified as being the
>husband of another man.
>
>Do that, and - upon independent verification - I'll switch sides...
>and I'll become one of the loudest opponents of homosexual marriage
>and/or the adoption of children by homosexuals.
My only "argument" with the program is its insistence on calling one
of the partners the "husband," as obviously gays and lesbians are not
man and woman couples, nor husband and wife couples. While I believe
gays are entitled to the rights and privileges of marriage, those
rites will have to be revised to speak of "spouse" rather than
gender-laden terms "husband" and "wife." I frequently refer to my
partner as my "spouse" without abusing ordinary language in the minds
of others.
And I agree with Mr. Payne that being in the company of gays does not
make one gay, much less showing two men embrace either advocates or
demonstrates an agenda of solicitation of converts. Many people, male
and female, are watching the sexually explicit "Queer as Folk" without
having their orientation changed. I don't know how many "kids" watch
this program, or "Will and Grace," or any other of number of
positively-reflected gay characters by becoming gay themselves. Hell,
I watch straights kiss and embrace and utter sweet nothings in each
others' ears without the slightest inclination to switch my sexual
orientation. If I can survive being gay in a heterosexually-dominated
culture, surely straights can reciprocate.
________________________
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San Francisco
dsh...@worldnet.att.net
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Chief Thracian
<dsh...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>I watch straights kiss and embrace and utter sweet nothings in each
>others' ears without the slightest inclination to switch my sexual
>orientation.
Me neither; I just wanna bash them to a bloody pulp of quivering
flesh-meat. :)
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GIA Campaign
The American Heritage Dictionary says a husband is a male spouse. Bunky and
his spouse are both male, therefore both husbands.
Bunky is the one who referred to Gregg as his husband from the very
beginning of the show. I think CBS was only reflecting how Bunky referred
to him.
Most of the gay couples I know who have had commitment ceremonies call each
other husband. I personally have always disliked the words husband for
reasons that have nothing to do with being gay. I'm not even sure why I
don't like it, since it is just some feeling I've had since I was a kid.
And I don't care for the term spouse much either. Therefore I refer to mine
as my partner. The word partner isn't perfect, either, but it's the least
objectionable to me. But I don't mind if others want to use the word
husband or spouse.
-Robert
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