[GN] Re: Why, Perhaps I'm Gay
Tim Kerslake
paragraph shows an overlooking of these ones ...
I said:
> There has been significant evidence explaining a number of the "causes".
> Some of these are genetic, some of these are the "nurture" argument
> exhibited here.
>
> Personally, I believe that the real reason for homosexuality existing is
> not yet known definitely - although the genetic argument seems quite
> promising. I also believe that the "cause" of homosexuality is probably
> as varied as there are homosexuals. Meaning, for some it may be
genetic,
> some it may be nurture.
Not wanting to sound vague, but I have yet to see any evidence that
*conclusively* points out a reason. The genetic theory has produced some
quite promising evidence, but has yet to be proven "beyond reasonable
doubt". Maybe you have some evidence handy that I haven't seen yet?
And to finalise, I will remake another point I have made:
> I also believe that the "cause" of homosexuality is probably
> as varied as there are homosexuals. Meaning, for some it may be
genetic,
> some it may be nurture.
IOW, for perhaps a few people, it *could* be nurture. Again, that's not a
definite - there may be *no* people in the world that are gay by nurture.
You may have noticed that I used the word "may" in that sentence, meaning
that it is only a possibility. In a sentence: the reason people are gay
probably varies from person to person, and so I like to keep an open mind
as to what these reasons are.
Tim.
The Chief is quoted as saying:
> On Tue, 24 Jul 2001 07:49:28 +0800 (WST), Tim Kerslake
> <dogw...@worfie.net> wrote:
>
> >In any case, I don't really care about what the "cause" is. All I care
> >about is that I'm gay and that I'm going to live my life as a gay
person.
> >Bugger the cause.
>
> I understand: but in making your point, you gave credence to an
> armchair theory that supports the biased notion that gay people are
> "that way', due to lack of fatherly nurturing. This only feeds fuel to
> the fire of homophobes.
>
> IOW, choose your ideas carefully, before broadcasting them on Usenet.
> For once posted, they remain forever.
>
> And: the next time some heterocentric boobie claims such a notion,
> point out to her/him the incestful implications therein. For if
> raising children to be heterosexual involves cultivating incestuous
> behavior, then heterosexulity must be a rather perverted inclination.
> Sparing them from such unwholesome attitudes will then allow them to
> grow up normally, as queers.
>
>
> - ---
> Lavender-Velvet Revolution
> http://surf.to/gaybible
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Bob Metcalfe
gay/lesbian etc?", but rather, "Why ask?" The pursuit for the "causes"
of our sexuality is not merely a benign academic exercise. There are two
value-loaded agendas that drive this kind of 'research' ---a) theirs ---
to find out what went 'wrong' so that we can be fixed, prevented or
eliminated, or b) ours ---- to justify our existence. Both are (in my
view) dangerous and stupid agendas. The first for obvious reasons, and
the second because we do not need to justify our existence to anyone ----
if we can't do this to 'their' satisfaction, does this mean they are
right in trying to eliminate us?
About 15 or 20 years ago when I was co-leading a gay men's coming out
group at a university, the question of the evening was, "Why do I think
I'm gay?". Without exception each person gave very thoughtful,
intelligent, and seemingly rational reasons that 'explained' what was
wrong in their development or genetic makeup in some way. One person
suggested the cause was his father's affectionate/loving/nurturing
behaviour (as the previous posting here) --- and another claimed he was
gay because of the absence of nurturing from his father. (And there were
the sames kinds of positions taken about mother nurturance as well). In
some ways it was astonishing, but in others not. After all, we've been
trained from birth to think this way about ourselves. When everyone had
spoken and it was my turn, I said that I was gay because I had been
blessed --- that it was my good fortune --- nothing but good luck. It
took quite a while for some in the group to get their head around that
kind of idea.
The fact is that nature revels in differences and variation. There are
all sorts of intriguing theological and/or socio-biological theories that
could be developed about why and how our particular kind of
sexual/affectional variation contributes to the benefit and functioning
of the general mix. The question of the origins of our variation would be
harmless within these kinds of theoretical constructs, but when the
question exists only within our socio-cultural environment of loathing
and self-loathing, it is dangerous for us --- and stupid of us to get
caught up in it.
Bob
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Chief Thracian
wrote:
>The fact is that nature revels in differences and variation. There are
>all sorts of intriguing theological and/or socio-biological theories that
>could be developed about why and how our particular kind of
>sexual/affectional variation contributes to the benefit and functioning
>of the general mix. The question of the origins of our variation would be
>harmless within these kinds of theoretical constructs, but when the
>question exists only within our socio-cultural environment of loathing
>and self-loathing, it is dangerous for us --- and stupid of us to get
>caught up in it.
Very well said, Bob. And this is exactly why I was irritated by a gay
person's speculating on what "made him gay". I firmly believe that our
creator made me to be gay, as part of my unique personhood. And that
those who are created gay have a great honor, considering the
spiritual quest that social pressures have placed upon us for
centuries...due to the consequent fear, misery, and terror inflicted.
Not to be masochistic about this, but striving beyond such challenges
is what makes for Greatness with a capital "G". And when you compare
our struggles to that of any other group...we really do shine!
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