Panasonic widescreen switching
Lee Mellows
Widescreen switching appears not to work in any way in RGB - is this normal?
Whatever ratio you have it on, it stays on.
Panasonic auto appears simply to expand the picture into any black areas, so
that really widescreen films (you know what I mean) are stretched up to
16:9. Not ideal.
I can probably live with this because the picture seems to be really nice so
far, but I'd like to know whether this is a fault or a feature :-)
Lee
Tom
my Wharfedale 750 but didn't when I had a different DVD player.
Nigel Ince
Nige
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Lee Mellows
cable box that's fed thru it. My previous Tosh telly switched everything
automatically, the Panny seems to take no notice of what it's being fed.
Auto just seems to want to make everything 16:9, regardless of what it
really is.
These are however, first impressions, based on a short viewing period, I
will do further experiments later today!
It should be said, however, that the picture is a lot better thatn the
Tosh, which was 100hz - what a difference!
Lee
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Johan Stensson
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> Leave it in 'auto' mode, mine switches ok matey !!!
>
> Nige
>
Mine as well.
Johan Stensson
WildCard
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Mines coming on Monday. How has everyone found the default geometry
settings? I've already had enough trouble arranging for a delivery date
(first date, no van turned up, no TV, one days wasted holiday) so I don't
want all the grief of sending it back.
Darren.
Nigel Mellor
On my PB50, if you selected 4:3 mode you got real 4:3 mode, but it still
switched automatically to widescreen when the DVD or NTL box sent a
widescreen signal.
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"Lee Mellows" <mel...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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Lee Mellows
> Are you expecting to see black bars at the sides for non-widescreen
sources?
> On my PB50, if you selected 4:3 mode you got real 4:3 mode, but it still
> switched automatically to widescreen when the DVD or NTL box sent a
> widescreen signal.
>
Yes, I'd like to see 4:3 stuff as 4:3 (black bars on the sides), 16:9 as
16:9 (no black bars) and anything wider with bars top & bottom. As you
would.
So far, on the chance I got to play with it this morning, I seemed to have
to do all that myself. Panasonic Auto simply wanted to fill the screen with
whatever it got, which isn't nice.
For reference, I've got a Pace cable box passing RGB thru a Pioneer 545,
into the RGB scart. I don't think the widescreen switching signal is being
tampered with because it worked with the Tosh TV.
I will report back later when I get another chance to play. I just wanted to
know beforehand if my holy grail (the right ratio all the time without
having to bugger around) is supposed to be achievable or am I on a wild
goose chase? :-?
Lee Mellows
Panasonic Auto to be working fine on the cable box at least (which is where
I really need it).
Cracking picture Grommit!
Lee
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david
I feed in a Sky box with rgb and it switches automatically.
Also the same with an ITVdigi box.
But with my Pacific 750 DVD it shows w/s films 4x3 squashed, so I have to
put it in full or just modes with the RC.
I have tried a Pacific 1000, which does not do rgb and that gave w/s on 4x3
films as well as w/s films.
So I wonder if it is something to do with DVD rather than the Tvs.
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David
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david
"WildCard" <WildCard1000...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> Mines coming on Monday. How has everyone found the default geometry
> settings?
On my Panasonic I can't find a way to alter geometry seperately in each
aspect ratio. A change made to 4x3 effects 16x9 etc. I've set the 4x3
circle on a test card to round, and width/height ok, but this makes the 16x9
picture too wide so that the edges are missing. Making the w/s correct
width makes the 4x3 circle squashed.
My JVC allows each aspect ratio to be set seperately.
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David
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Michael Winson
from "Nigel Mellor" <nigel....@reply-to.in.signature> contains
these words:
> Are you expecting to see black bars at the sides for non-widescreen sources?
> On my PB50, if you selected 4:3 mode you got real 4:3 mode, but it still
> switched automatically to widescreen when the DVD or NTL box sent a
> widescreen signal.
Mine works like that, but the trouble is (on my TX28DK2), Panasonic
Auto also chooses to switch to 16:9 mode if there is significant
black in the top & bottom of a 4:3 picture (an intentional "feature",
according to the manual). I'd like to disable this, and have it
stick to 4:3 unless it gets a "this is wide" signal down the SCART lead.
Mike
A.Hodgkinson
<URL:mailto:mel...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> Yes, I'd like to see 4:3 stuff as 4:3 (black bars on the sides), 16:9 as
> 16:9 (no black bars) and anything wider with bars top & bottom. As you
> would.
> So far, on the chance I got to play with it this morning, I seemed to have
> to do all that myself. Panasonic Auto simply wanted to fill the screen with
> whatever it got, which isn't nice.
A touch of RTFM here, I think. Very old Panasonic w/s sets only
supported 16:9 anamorphic for RGB inputs, but all newer sets expand
on this significantly.
When in "Auto" mode with an unsignalled source, the Panasonic lets
the user choose whether to look at it in 4:3 or "Just" mode
(composite inputs) / 16:9 mode (RGB inputs). You use the Red and
Green fast-text buttons on your handset when in "Auto" mode to
choose which one the set will use. It sounds like your set, when
supplied by the factory, is defaulting to 16:9 for unsignalled
sources in RGB mode.
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A.Hodgkinson
<URL:mailto:mike....@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
> Mine works like that, but the trouble is (on my TX28DK2),
> Panasonic Auto also chooses to switch to 16:9 mode if there is
> significant black in the top & bottom of a 4:3 picture
Well, it you watch closely (on non-RGB sources at least) it isn't
strictly 16:9 letterbox zoom. If the bars are smaller, or the set
*thinks* they're smaller than true 16:9 letterbox or narrower, it
will often choose a pseudo-Just mode somewhere between full Just
and 16:9 Zoom.
But yes, in "auto" mode, the Panasonic sets do both signalled
widescreen switching, and black bar picture detection. This is
indeed annoying; you can't have automatic switching without also
having black bar detection. Mind you, it's one of a few rather
small gripes on what (in 50Hz form at least) is just about the
best family of widescreen sets on the market.
A.Hodgkinson
<URL:mailto:da...@npark.takeout.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> On my Panasonic I can't find a way to alter geometry seperately in
> each aspect ratio. A change made to 4x3 effects 16x9 etc.
Yes, on entering the service menu my set throws itself into 16:9
mode and you're stuck with that. For some geometry settings the
set's firmware/hardware appears to get confused, too, and you can
find that 16:9 letterbox zoom becomes horribly distorted. Tweak the
geometry settings by one or two for a few randomly selected
parameters and it pulls itself back together.
I've not noticed significant distortion on 4:3 output if the set
is configured to look great in 16:9, or vice versa, but there is
certainly some compromise required.
You *do* get independent settings on *some* parameters between PAL
50 and PAL 60 / NTSC operational modes, which is useful.
Michael Winson
from "A.Hodgkinson" <andrew.h...@pace.co.uk> contains these words:
> But yes, in "auto" mode, the Panasonic sets do both signalled
> widescreen switching, and black bar picture detection. This is
> indeed annoying; you can't have automatic switching without also
> having black bar detection. Mind you, it's one of a few rather
> small gripes on what (in 50Hz form at least) is just about the
> best family of widescreen sets on the market.
I agree about the quality of picture, but the black bar detection
switching is more than a small gripe with me, I'm afraid,
particularly in scenes with moody dark lighting - not something you
can find out about easily in a shop demo.
Mike
david
"A.Hodgkinson" <andrew.h...@pace.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> When in "Auto" mode with an unsignalled source, the Panasonic lets
> the user choose whether to look at it in 4:3 or "Just" mode
> (composite inputs) / 16:9 mode (RGB inputs). You use the Red and
> Green fast-text buttons on your handset when in "Auto" mode to
> choose which one the set will use. It sounds like your set, when
> supplied by the factory, is defaulting to 16:9 for unsignalled
> sources in RGB mode.
>
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is to used.
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David
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Martin Tillman
<da...@npark.takeout.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
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> On my Panasonic I can't find a way to alter geometry seperately in each
> aspect ratio. A change made to 4x3 effects 16x9 etc
Do let me in on the secret of how you got into those menus, please.
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david
"Martin Tillman" <mtil...@NOSPAMntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> Do let me in on the secret of how you got into those menus, please.
>
At your own risk, not for the timid, make a note of present settings so you
can go back to them if you need to.
I got the info. by doing a search of this NG on
www.groups.goodle.com/groups for Panasonic service menu and came up
with a post of 17/03/2000 from pli...@my-deja.com
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David
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david
www.groups.google.com/groups
It's late, going to bed.
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David
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Martin Tillman
<da...@npark.takeout.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
> "Martin Tillman" <mtil...@NOSPAMntlworld.com> wrote in message
> >
> > Do let me in on the secret of how you got into those menus, please.
> I got the info. by doing a search of this NG on
> www.groups.goodle.com/groups
Thanks for the info :-)
Er, anyone want a Panasonic TV and stand? Stand in perfect working
order...
A.Hodgkinson
<URL:mailto:mike....@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
> I agree about the quality of picture, but the black bar detection
> switching is more than a small gripe with me, I'm afraid,
> particularly in scenes with moody dark lighting [...]
Well, at least if you manually switch into the correct aspect ratio
for the duration of the problem broadcast, it won't mess you
around... Hardly ideal, but at least it's a work around.
A.Hodgkinson
<URL:mailto:da...@npark.takeout.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> "A.Hodgkinson" <andrew.h...@pace.co.uk> wrote [...]:
>
> > [...] You use the Red and Green fast-text buttons on your handset
> > when in "Auto" mode to choose which one the set will use. [...]
>
> On my w/s Panasonic the use of fast text buttons selects which scart
> input is to used.
Yes, I forgot to mention that you need to press the aspect ratio
button once on the remote first. The on-screen display cues you to
use the fast-text buttons. It's all there in the manual... ;-)