[GN] Conservative/Republican Gays
Ezekiel J. Krahlin
<<
>D Stephen Heersink writes:
>
>> I don't know of a single sole whose come to know
>> me that later rejected me after coming to know of my sexual
>> orientation.
I don't know why but this quote gets my dander up.
>>
I do: it's smug, ignorant, and an absolute lie.
<< I was in Gharadelli Square, a tourist haven in San Francisco, this
afternoon, and could not help but notice all the heterosexuality people
wore on their sleeves and threw in my face. >>
Well, I live in The Castro, and the hets are posing all over the place. I
think they get off on flashing their assumed superiority in assumed gay
neighborhoods...until there are no more gay people left, and it's all a
straight neighborhood. And these types call themselves "gay
friendly"...what snakes in the grass!
If they really cared about the plight of gays, I think they'd leave their
hetero affectations at home, when strolling through gay areas...out of
respect, if not poltical boycott.
I think one can very easily gauge the hatred against gays still so
prevalent...even here in "Gay Mecca". Just wear some innocuous gay-
postive button (such as "Gay Pride") 24/7 for six months--at work, at
play, at everywhere except when you are sleeping. Then see where you
are at the end of this experiment. The FACT that most gays wouldn't
even have the GUTS to try this, speaks mountains already.
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Marc Stauffer
What is happening in The Castro is also what is happening on 17th St/Dupont
Area in DC. Logan Circle is starting to experience the same type of thing.
Frankly at times - I'd love to live in a gated Gay-Co-Op where going out
either casual or in leather wouldn't matter a tinkers damn. I don't know if
we'll ever get to the place where we can express ourselves in public or
ever see as many gay commercials as hetero ones. I'll try to work to
educated them and achieve the rights we've been given by God, Goddess,
Spirit, Earth Mother -- take your god of choice.
I find them hard to deal with at times. I know which ones here at work
"tolerate" me vs. those who accept me. Just try tossing in a comment about
your other half when a straight group of co-workers is complaining about
their spouse and how to hand the toilet paper or any other family foible
that is common to us all.
I'm still thinking about the Republican Unity Coalition - is it worth the
effort if I'm just a face to give them credibility? NO!
Is it worth it if I can make a difference - Yes - even some progress is
better than none. What do I do if I find that the RUC is just trying to
prostitute me and have me pimp the gay community for them - RESIGN and
screen to every list I'm on and ask them to spread the word. I may yet
enter this venture / invitation to membership but comments like yours and
the gentleman's comments about the Chocolate Square ( can't spell
Gheardelli) give me great pause for some meditation and self evaluation.
Marc
Marc
www.usQueers.com
To me, the RUC is first and foremost another Republican fundraiser, this one
specifically designed to get even more money from wealthy gay people than
they've already contributed to Bush and to the Party. They will also be a
ready source for more money, on call and at hand in "emergencies" to tap
their circles of other wealthy gay acquaintances, when the need for money
arises again (always, and always). I'm saying gay instead of gay and lesbian
or GLBTI? or Queer because that is who they represent and who they are,
mainly.
Ten large each to join, and how many members, with no commitment from "them"
to do anything different, ever? What a nice chunk of change! And I bet it's
not covered as a "soft money" source. C'mon back to Earth, Mark. It's $20
million to get into space, not $10,000. The Republican Party's platform
tells you everything you need to know about this group producing any
changes. They're modeled after a "gay-straight club" they say, not an
advocacy group. You guys playing together will be very very good for each of
you individually, and that has its value for connections later on, but don't
delude yourself about it doing much of anything else.
It's up to you to decide whether you want to contribute to the purchase of
whatever little surface crap they hand out up there. I mean really, how
fucking insulting can you get, and how fucking stupid is the guy, anyway...
a homosexual in charge of screening civilian employees for the military (I
think that pretty well explains his job duties)?!! Excuse me women, but the
guy that took that job and granted Bush the P.R. for it needs about a
10-hours-long bitch-slapping session, followed by an old-fashioned
tar-and-feathering and getting run out of town on a rail. People are out
here fucking dying, some out of sheer frustration, because they aren't
getting anywhere peacefully trying to have their rights recognized and
protected, and the Bushies jerk us around with idiots and stunts like this?
Either the national groups are so stunned at the audacity of that move that
they let the whole thing go by silently, or they are so stupid they don't
know how publicly and thoroughly we were all being had.
The LCR's leadership isn't capable of controlling its membership right now,
and the Republicans aren't so big on democracy anyway (the LCR being
self-selected and the RUC being anointed from above). The RUC, by definition
not a tool for lobbying government for gay equality, is a way to get around
the "sloppiness" of the LCR's constant whining, creating that infamous
Republican method of running things, the unaccountable "think tank" of
economic supremacists.
You qualify as a potential member both as a token non-white and because of
the Rev. next to your name (the Repubs are nothing if not extremely
consistent in their het + (approved) religious supremacy beliefs and
practices, and homosexuals don't, just _don't_ fit into that picture
anywhere). You also qualify because you can come up with much more than
$10,000 one way or another.
Those are my opinions, Marc. Either way you decide, you better keep fucking
doing what you're doing on this list or I'll come to D.C. from San Diego and
take you out to coffee.
Allan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc Stauffer" <stau...@washpost.com>
Cc: <gay...@QueerNet.ORG>
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: [GN] Conservative/Republican Gays
<snipped>
> I'm still thinking about the Republican Unity Coalition - is it worth the
> effort if I'm just a face to give them credibility? NO!
> Is it worth it if I can make a difference - Yes - even some progress is
> better than none. What do I do if I find that the RUC is just trying to
> prostitute me and have me pimp the gay community for them - RESIGN and
> screen to every list I'm on and ask them to spread the word. I may yet
> enter this venture / invitation to membership but comments like yours and
> the gentleman's comments about the Chocolate Square ( can't spell
> Gheardelli) give me great pause for some meditation and self evaluation.
>
> Marc
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Ezekiel J. Krahlin
<< What is happening in The Castro is also what is happening on 17th
St/Dupont Area in DC. >>
I'm sure this is the case in EVERY gay neighborhood no matter *which
city we are speaking of. There are many *silent haters of gay people,
who never speak a word against us, yet get their jollies by surreptitious
actions to sabotage our cause...such as voting against gay issues, and
acting out blantantly hetero behavior in gay venues. Of course, they are
all just so innocent, don't you know.
Such manipulation towards excluding gays, even in our own
"neighborhoods" where we have painstakingly carved out some sort of
niche...is also built into the very nature of our heavily-heterocentered
society.
<< Frankly at times - I'd love to live in a gated Gay-Co-Op where going
out either casual or in leather wouldn't matter a tinkers damn. >>
That implies it would be a clique of affluent snobs. While I do fantasize
about a gay society independent of our present one...I'd prefer to think it
would be composed of all types, including lower income and non- (or
even anti-) status quo. In fact, it would be more of a social democracy,
like Holland.
Every minority has needed its own ghettoes or neighborhoods where
they could congregate for important social and political actions. So in
flushing us from our remaining gay 'hoods of major metropolitan areas,
we may become further crippled in our tentative unity. I believe our
mistake in creating our own neighborhoods, is in maintaing such open
tolerance of our hetero visitors and occupants...unlike the behavior of
other minorities, whose tolerance to their non-members was clearly
conditional: a necessary group behavior in order to unite for political
empowerment.
<< I don't know if we'll ever get to the place where we can express
ourselves in public >>
Only you can decide when (or even if) you will do that. You must be
willing to take the serious risks entailed by such actions. We need far
more gay folk presenting themselves as gay to the public, than present.
But if you *really feel so strongly about such doubts, I believe you'd be
better off migrating to a more gay-friendly society. Assuming of course,
you can afford to do so, and do not have absolute commitments to
remaining in Amerika. For myself, I just can't afford the move, at this
time in my life.
<< or ever see as many gay commercials as hetero ones. >>
This of course is but one segment of the entire media-visibility issue. I
don't know why so many liberals--gay and straight alike--believe we
have certain decent levels of acceptance...when the entire issue of
homosexuality is so severely repressed, that maybe only .005% of the
land mass in Amerika even "allows gays to hold hands or gather in
public areas. This sort of extreme repression is only matched by how
the Jews were treated in Nazi Germany...yet most of us are so inured to
our present situation, we don't realize just how suppressed we are. As I
said before: just try wearing a "Gay Pride" button every single day for six
months, and see where you wind up in the long run...even in our "most
liberal" areas (all of which are very, very tiny dots on the map, and can
be counted with the fingers of one hand).
<< I'll try to work to educated them and achieve the rights we've been
given by God, Goddess, Spirit, Earth Mother -- take your god of choice.
>>
Well, those rights are quite sparse. The only reason we have any
rational freedom to hold down jobs and move about in public, is because
there is no *visible tag that identifies us as anything other than
heterosexual. I think you'd best serve the gay family as a spy and
saboteur within the ranks of the right-wing...by first winning complete
trust among important leaders...then funneling vital data to the troops,
that can be used to dismantle The Beast of Homophobia.
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