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Leo Breebaart

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Location:

Grand Restaurant Le Connaisseur
The Hague, The Netherlands

Guest of Honour:

Jennifer Barber

Cast of Thousands:

Leo Breebaart, Olaf Leimann, Sindy Leimann-Chan, Jos Dingjan, Eelco
Giele, Jeroen Burger, Kimberley Verburg, Uwe Milde, Rolf Milde,
Patrick Dersjant, Cybercat, Jeroen Metselaar, Melusine,
Gideon Hallett, Sorcha, Noora, Martin Wisse, Mike Knell, Rutger,
Menno Willemse


Every year, us-afper Jennifer Barber visits Europe to get a fix for her
musical-addiction. Every year, we organise a Dutch afpmeet in her
honour, which she then proceeds to sleep through. It's become a bit of a
tradition, and we *like* tradition. So, apparently, does Jennifer,
because she keeps coming back, without -- and this is the crucial bit --
bothering to hide that fact from us.

This year, The Hague was again chosen as the afpmeet location, but I
decided to try and find a different venue from last year's Irish pub.
Although the atmosphere there was great, and we ended up having a very
good meet, the food was too expensive, had to be chosen from a severely
restricted menu, and turned out to have been prepared by what we can
only assume must have been a deranged carnivore chef with a terrible,
terrible grudge against vegetarians.

My first choice this time had been a nice little Caribbean restaurant
located in the mediaeval catacombs of the old The Hague city hall. When
I called a week or so in advance to confirm the reservation I had
discussed with them earlier, they politely explained that for more than
twenty people they were not prepared to let us order a la carte, and
would only serve us a fixed buffet instead. At about twice the price.

Exit catacombs. Enter a brief moment of hyperventilatory panic, with
visions of me having to take twenty-odd people to the McDonalds for
their dinner, and then not *ever* being allowed to forget about it (as I
said, Dutch afpers are nothing if not fond of tradition, and "tormenting
Leo" is a perennial favourite). A couple of phone calls later (thanks
Jos, thanks Kimberley) disaster had been averted, order restored, and
reservations made at Grand Restaurant Le Connaisseur. Phew.

Benelux meets have always attracted many afpers from foreign shores, and
this time was no exception. Apart from our guest of honour, we had
Gideon and Melusine attending their second Jennifermeet, Sorcha and
Noora attending their first, Rolf and Uwe -- well, they are such a
familiar face that by now nobody even notices anymore that they're not
Dutch, and Mike Knell as surprise last minute extra special guest star.
The rest of the meet attendees consisted of the usual native regulars
and semi-regulars, this time without even a single meet newbie, which I
do think was a bit of a pity.

Le Connaisseur is a large but cozy restaurant that looks rather like a
cross between a library and a pub. We had an upstairs balcony-type space
mostly to ourselves, although a second large group of people arrived
later in the evening. They took our toys, noise, gadgets, and occasional
ballistic missiles in good stride, and at one point even asked if they
could play with our scary willies. Thus do we corrupt the innocent.

The evening unfolded in a pleasant sequence of drinks and food and
conversation. Of the aforementioned toys and gadgets making their
appearance, special mention should be made of Patrick's semi-sentient
bunny-wabbit (sniffy!), the scary willy thingies (squishy!), and
Gideon's watch-PC (spiffy!).

The discussion topics at our section of the table ranged wide and far.
American politics featured heavily (fancy that), but suffered from the
fact that everyone kept agreeing with everybody else all the time.
Moving the discussion into the realm of movies showed a bit more
potential for meaty conflict, as I have my doubts that *everyone*
recognises _Some Kind Of Wonderful_ as the best romantic comedy ever
made, but Mike and I advocated that particular theory so forcefully that
I don't think anyone dared to disagree with us.

Dispensing potentially embarrassing gifts from discreet brown envelopes
is another Dutch afpmeet tradition that was proudly upheld, with Karen
from the UK once again being the prime facilitator. The usual rubber
aliens and plastic thingamajigs featured, but the highlight this time
was a trio of pink bunny hair scrunchies (plus matching clip thingies)
for our longest-haired attendees: Kimberley, Jennifer, and, um, well,
Martin. It's amazing how much applying fluffy and colourful elastic to
one's hair can transform one's appearance from serious, adult, and
business-like into adorable, cuddlesome, and, in Martin's case, very,
very frightening.

Another event that should probably not go unchronicled was the
ceremonial unleashing of Stephen Baxter's _Longtusk: Mammoth Book Two_.
The original _Mammoth_, generally acknowledged as one of the worst books
ever written in the English language, and suspected of causing actual
brain damage in those unfortunate souls who try to read it, had been
circulating at our afpmeets for months, being "given" as a prize to
whomever was considered to have come up with the evening's most
inexcusable pun. At last month's meet, the book had been dumped on
pun-Meister Jeremy, who no longer lives in the Netherlands and was not
expected to attend a Benelux afpmeet for at least another two years.
Sighs of "good riddance" were heard throughout the continent.

Until, that is, I happened to visit an Oxford book store when I was in
the UK last month, chanced upon the newly released *sequel* to
_Mammoth_, and saw an opportunity to finally do some revenge tormenting
of my own. Everyone at the London Entmeet was asked to sign the book,
and to keep its existence a secret from the Benelux afpers. I never
expected this to actually work, but apparently everyone played along
nicely, and the gasps of horror and dismay as I presented the book and
read from the Prologue ("It is 16.000 years before the birth of Christ,
and every human alive wakes to the call of... mammoths.") were music to
my ears. The book is now, I believe, with the Milde brothers, who richly
deserve it, if only for their remark about Al Gore inventing algorithms.
I have all confidence that _Longtusk_ will continue to haunt our
afpmeets for a satisfyingly long time to come.

Since Le Connaisseur is a restaurant and not a pub, they closed slightly
before midnight, which was just as well: the lack of airconditioning
(the one unexpected, but big, big, *big* minus point of this venue) had
been causing the temperature to rise way beyond and the oxygen levels to
drop way below what was comfortable, and people had to go take walks in
the fresh air just to keep themselves from fainting. So we settled our
bill, collected our junk, and set off to our respective crash-spaces
relatively early.

The next morning, most of us convened at Patrick's place for the
customary post-afpmeet chill-out breakfast. Gideon and Melusine had
brought us *tons* of muffins and crumpets, and so we spent a pleasantly
quiet morning toasting bread products, listening to Finnish music,
playing with PalmPilots and mobile phones, and doing some more
wholehearted agreeing on American politics. In the early afternoon,
Jennifer had to leave in order to attend her multiple showings of
_Elisabeth_, and soon after the other guests readied themselves to board
their planes, trains and automobiles for the journey home.

And so ended Jennifermeet 4.0. I had a fun time, I hope everybody else
enjoyed it as well, and I look forward to doing it all over again next
year for Jennifermeet 5.0.

--
Leo Breebaart <l...@lspace.org>

Arwen Luné

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In article <8v08jk$h68$1...@falcon.pds.twi.tudelft.nl>, Leo Breebaart
won the game of scrabble by forming the following words..

<schnipps!>

>a second large group of people arrived
>later in the evening. They took our toys, noise, gadgets, and occasional
>ballistic missiles in good stride, and at one point even asked if they
>could play with our scary willies.

*boggle*
_do_ I want to know?

>Thus do we corrupt the innocent.

'Tis what society expects us to do, youknow. We merely comply..

>the highlight this time
>was a trio of pink bunny hair scrunchies (plus matching clip thingies)
>for our longest-haired attendees: Kimberley, Jennifer, and, um, well,
>Martin. It's amazing how much applying fluffy and colourful elastic to
>one's hair can transform one's appearance from serious, adult, and
>business-like into adorable, cuddlesome, and, in Martin's case, very,
>very frightening.

GIF! GIF! GIF!

>the gasps of horror and dismay as I presented the book and
>read from the Prologue ("It is 16.000 years before the birth of Christ,
>and every human alive wakes to the call of... mammoths.") were music to
>my ears.

GIF! again.. I hope you got some photo's of that moment?

>And so ended Jennifermeet 4.0. I had a fun time, I hope everybody else
>enjoyed it as well, and I look forward to doing it all over again next
>year for Jennifermeet 5.0.

Ands I hope I'll be able to attend, though it doesn't look
particularly hopefull. *sigh*
At least we'll have our very own JenniferMeet here this Saturday.
And I'll write a meetreport.
And try to make it as good as Leo's.

Arwen Luné, looking forward to December the 16th
--
Arwen laid down her broadsword. "I must ask for the knives
as well, babe." said Hammy. Arwen growled and laid them
down. "And the crossbow, and the morningstar, and the axe..."
[Sir Confused-a-lot on AFT]

Martin Wisse

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Arwen Lune <Ar...@meanandevil.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <8v08jk$h68$1...@falcon.pds.twi.tudelft.nl>, Leo Breebaart
> won the game of scrabble by forming the following words..

> <schnipps!>

>>a second large group of people arrived


>>later in the evening. They took our toys, noise, gadgets, and occasional
>>ballistic missiles in good stride, and at one point even asked if they
>>could play with our scary willies.

> *boggle*


> _do_ I want to know?

No, but you will anyway, once the pictures are up.


>>the highlight this time
>>was a trio of pink bunny hair scrunchies (plus matching clip thingies)
>>for our longest-haired attendees: Kimberley, Jennifer, and, um, well,
>>Martin. It's amazing how much applying fluffy and colourful elastic to
>>one's hair can transform one's appearance from serious, adult, and
>>business-like into adorable, cuddlesome, and, in Martin's case, very,
>>very frightening.

ITYM cute. Nobody thought I was scarey at work the following monday.

> GIF! GIF! GIF!

Sorry, no gifs. Will JPG's do as well?

>>the gasps of horror and dismay as I presented the book and
>>read from the Prologue ("It is 16.000 years before the birth of Christ,
>>and every human alive wakes to the call of... mammoths.") were music to
>>my ears.

> GIF! again.. I hope you got some photo's of that moment?

Yep, including Leo getting down and boogieing before hand.

> Arwen Lune, looking forward to December the 16th

You fool.

Martin Wisse

Ailbhe Leamy

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On Thu, 16 Nov 2000 14:55:34 -0000, Arwen Luné
<Ar...@meanandevil.co.uk> wrote:

> Arwen Luné, looking forward to December the 16th

So am I. We're having our engagement party that day, because we got
engaged.

Ailbhe
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Arwen Luné

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In article <slrn918c8s...@frivolous.ossifrage.net>, Ailbhe
Leamy won the game of scrabble by forming the following words..

[I wrote:]


>> Arwen Luné, looking forward to December the 16th

[Ailbhe:]


>So am I. We're having our engagement party that day, because we got
>engaged.

Gosh, you have 2 engagement parties?

Arwen Luné
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Ailbhe Leamy

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On Thu, 16 Nov 2000 20:22:51 -0000, Arwen Luné
<Ar...@meanandevil.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <slrn918c8s...@frivolous.ossifrage.net>, Ailbhe
> Leamy won the game of scrabble by forming the following words..

> [I wrote:]
> >> Arwen Luné, looking forward to December the 16th
>
> [Ailbhe:]
> >So am I. We're having our engagement party that day, because we got
> >engaged.
>
> Gosh, you have 2 engagement parties?

Er, no... just this one. Why?

Arwen Luné

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In article <slrn918o1l...@frivolous.ossifrage.net>, Ailbhe
Leamy won the game of scrabble by forming the following words..

[I wrote:]
>> >> Arwen Luné, looking forward to December the 16th

[Ailbhe:]
>> >So am I. We're having our engagement party that day, because we got
>> >engaged.

[I wrote]

>> Gosh, you have 2 engagement parties?

[Ailbhe]


>Er, no... just this one. Why?

Thought it was this month, not December..

AL
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Ailbhe Leamy

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On Thu, 16 Nov 2000 23:43:31 -0000, Arwen Luné <Ar...@meanandevil.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <slrn918o1l...@frivolous.ossifrage.net>, Ailbhe
> Leamy won the game of scrabble by forming the following words..
>
> [I wrote:]
> >> >> Arwen Luné, looking forward to December the 16th
>
> [Ailbhe:]
> >> >So am I. We're having our engagement party that day, because we got
> >> >engaged.

And the embarrassing thing is, I wrote this after reading Arwen's post
2 or 3 times. Every single time, I parsed "December the 16th" as
"November the 18th", assuming that she was looking forward to meeting
Jennifer, not to a hamsterjam meet. D'oh.

> Thought it was this month, not December..

You were right. Next time I post when tired and feverish, somebody hit
me over the head with my keyboard.

Ailbhe
crawling under a coalscuttle to hide

Leo Breebaart

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Patrick Dersjant <pat...@lspace.org> writes:

> Total World Domination. That way, we can double our dutch meets and
> get 50 attendees, too. Make Meet Attendees Fast.

Why, you mean next time we should go back to the place with the inedible
food again?

--
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Arwen Luné

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In article <8v37uf$4ti$1...@falcon.pds.twi.tudelft.nl>, Leo Breebaart
won the game of scrabble by forming the following words..

[Patrick Dersjant:]

>> Total World Domination. That way, we can double our dutch meets and
>> get 50 attendees, too. Make Meet Attendees Fast.

[Lay-o]


>Why, you mean next time we should go back to the place with the inedible
>food again?

You mean the one where they wanted to borrow our supersoakers?

Arwen Luné
[who is horrible at remembering which pub is where..]

Supermouse

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In article <MPG.147ef4041...@news.lspace.org>, Patrick
Dersjant <pat...@lspace.org> writes
>Oh yes, I *am* looking for
>a name for this mechanical wonder. I
>am not accepting Kenny, Terry, Wabbit, Food or Bunny as names. Also out
>are Monthy Python names, as that would mean too many fines during meets.

How about 'George'?

Cordially,
--
Supermouse

Karen

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In article <8v37uf$4ti$1...@falcon.pds.twi.tudelft.nl>, Leo Breebaart
<l...@lspace.org> writes

>Patrick Dersjant <pat...@lspace.org> writes:
>
>> Total World Domination. That way, we can double our dutch meets and
>> get 50 attendees, too. Make Meet Attendees Fast.
>
>Why, you mean next time we should go back to the place with the inedible
>food again?
>
This place you mean?

<http://www.a.ghinn.btinternet.co.uk/remarkab.htm>

yesyes I know its a cross thread...


ttfn,

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Karen

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In article <8v08jk$h68$1...@falcon.pds.twi.tudelft.nl>, Leo Breebaart
<l...@lspace.org> writes

>Guest of Honour:


>
> Jennifer Barber
>
>Cast of Thousands:
>
> Leo Breebaart, Olaf Leimann, Sindy Leimann-Chan, Jos Dingjan, Eelco
> Giele, Jeroen Burger, Kimberley Verburg, Uwe Milde, Rolf Milde,
> Patrick Dersjant, Cybercat, Jeroen Metselaar, Melusine,
> Gideon Hallett, Sorcha, Noora, Martin Wisse, Mike Knell, Rutger,
> Menno Willemse
>

Pah - so furrin visitors [pl even] by cellphone no longer count huh? :P

This statement was inserted on behalf of neglected and peeved 10 year
olds everywhere ...


>Exit catacombs. Enter a brief moment of hyperventilatory panic, with
>visions of me having to take twenty-odd people to the McDonalds for
>their dinner, and then not *ever* being allowed to forget about it

<empathy...>
:]


>Moving the discussion into the realm of movies showed a bit more
>potential for meaty conflict, as I have my doubts that *everyone*
>recognises _Some Kind Of Wonderful_ as the best romantic comedy ever
>made, but Mike and I advocated that particular theory so forcefully that
>I don't think anyone dared to disagree with us.

Well its hardly the theory to put forward if you want rigorous debate -
John Hughes' best film playing on all his strengths.

Take a totally predictable mundane story, get the right cast, great
screenplay and blend it with a soundtrack put together from a complete
rag bag of odd songs and one hit wonders [Brilliant mind" and the
utterly lovely "Cry like this" with the odd weirdo like "Can't help
falling in love" by Lick the Tins [I kid you not] and of course the
Jesus and Mary Chain [in a romantic comedy even :]].

Hughes cooks them to perfection and provides an unmissable film which
brilliantly integrates music as a key component. Without a John Williams
in sight. It's a neat trick and one which many producers could do with
learning, since all too often the soundtrack seems entirely incidental
to the film and instead is an entirely independent vehicle for
merchandising.

He used much the same formula for 'Pretty in Pink' - at his best he
makes some of my all time favourite films. If you look at the IMDB
entries for Some Kind of Wonderful you will see one of the amateur
reviewers has this to say:

"I loved the film and could rant all day, but I won't, all I will say is
go see it, buy the video, rent it, whatever, JUST SEE IT!!! ""

And thereby saved me the terrible indignity of posting in capitals and
multiple punctuation :]


And for which I shall mostly forgive Hughes his ventures into Curly Sue
and Home Alone 666 because when all is said and done I'd rather have
someone try out ideas and miss occasionally than produce a consistent
line of 'middles'. Because these are the people who make the best in
most arenas.

I await The Chambermaid with interest. That's an old predictable story.
Maybe it will herald a return to form, but I haven't heard a great deal
about it.

sandriana

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Nov 19, 2000, 3:00:00 AM11/19/00
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On 16 Nov 2000 15:20:22 GMT, Martin Wisse <mwi...@ad-astra.demon.nl>
wrote:

snip


>>
>
>>>the highlight this time
>>>was a trio of pink bunny hair scrunchies (plus matching clip thingies)
>>>for our longest-haired attendees: Kimberley, Jennifer, and, um, well,
>>>Martin. It's amazing how much applying fluffy and colourful elastic to
>>>one's hair can transform one's appearance from serious, adult, and
>>>business-like into adorable, cuddlesome, and, in Martin's case, very,
>>>very frightening.
>

>ITYM cute. Nobody thought I was scarey at work the following monday.
>

I've been told that this is the bit where I'm supposed to jump up and
agree he is cute.....but since he seems to be managing pefectly well
by himself, I won't. But I will kill that damn rabbit.

Sandriana
--

Somewhat distracted by a rabbit

Jennifer Barber

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Nov 19, 2000, 3:00:00 AM11/19/00
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In article <MPG.147ef4041...@news.lspace.org>, Patrick Dersjant
<pat...@lspace.org> wrote:

>> And so ended Jennifermeet 4.0. I had a fun time, I hope everybody else
>> enjoyed it as well, and I look forward to doing it all over again next
>> year for Jennifermeet 5.0.
>

>Definitely. Any date known yet ;> ?

Sheesh, give me a chance to recover from this one first! :)

jennifer
back home :(

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Jennifer Barber

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In article <slrn91a103...@frivolous.ossifrage.net>,
ail...@lspace.org (Ailbhe Leamy) wrote:

>2 or 3 times. Every single time, I parsed "December the 16th" as
>"November the 18th", assuming that she was looking forward to meeting
>Jennifer, not to a hamsterjam meet. D'oh.

Nah, no reason Arwen would be looking forward to meeting me. :)

(Besides, as it turned out, I was nearly as asleep as for my first two
NL-meets, and, well, as several people could tell you, that's...er...not
good.)

jennifer
(Congratulations, btw!)

Jennifer Barber

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In article <MPG.147f4fae...@news.lspace.org>, Patrick Dersjant
<pat...@lspace.org> wrote:

>No - not for the food, anyway. As we still have a year or so to plan
>things, we might want to plan an exhibition to check out some more
>places. The Fiddler & Firkin had a menu as well, but I don't expect the
>food to be good - at least they did have Guinness. There might also be
>some good places in Scheveningen.

You can look in other cities as well--*if* I can come back next year,
there's no reason for me to be going to Den Haag--or indeed the
Netherlands--other than for a meet, as Elisabeth's closing and I don't
really care about seeing Aida (which is replacing it; at least, not until I
know the cast....). I'm still not remotely confident I'll be returning in
2001, however. :(

jennifer

Martin Wisse

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On Sun, 19 Nov 2000 20:26:03 -0600, su...@esatclear.ie (Sorcha ) wrote:

>I'm considering starting a campaign to have Dustin the turkey entered
>into the next Eurovision Song Contest. Mwuahahahaha...

#To dream... the impossible dreeammmm

(I fervently hope)

Martin Wisse
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Martin Wisse

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On Sun, 19 Nov 2000 22:16:27 GMT, sand...@fsmail.net (sandriana)
wrote:

>I've been told that this is the bit where I'm supposed to jump up and
>agree he is cute.....but since he seems to be managing pefectly well
>by himself, I won't. But I will kill that damn rabbit.

Why thank you sweetie. Actually, this was supposed to be a spontaneous
thing on your part, as well you know.

But the rabbit will /not/ be killed by anybody. It's ideal for hanging
con badges from, you see, so you can save your shirts from being ruined.


(Mutilating innocent bunnies! Outrageous!)

MegaMole

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In article <3a1b04d1...@news.demon.nl>, Martin Wisse <mwisse@ad-
astra.demon.nl> writes

>On Sun, 19 Nov 2000 22:16:27 GMT, sand...@fsmail.net (sandriana)
>wrote:
>
>>I've been told that this is the bit where I'm supposed to jump up and
>>agree he is cute...

>Why thank you sweetie. Actually, this was supposed to be a spontaneous


>thing on your part, as well you know.

I think I'll be the first to say it (it'll get me back for all those
tales of neckrubs!) but...

VOM.

Congrats, old hoof and hoofette.
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"Karen" <ka...@lspace.org> wrote in message
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> In article <8v08jk$h68$1...@falcon.pds.twi.tudelft.nl>, Leo Breebaart
> <l...@lspace.org> writes

> >Moving the discussion into the realm of movies showed a bit more


> >potential for meaty conflict, as I have my doubts that *everyone*
> >recognises _Some Kind Of Wonderful_ as the best romantic comedy
ever
> >made, but Mike and I advocated that particular theory so forcefully
that
> >I don't think anyone dared to disagree with us.
>

> Well its hardly the theory to put forward if you want rigorous
debate -
> John Hughes' best film playing on all his strengths.
>
> Take a totally predictable mundane story, get the right cast, great
> screenplay and blend it with a soundtrack put together from a
complete
> rag bag of odd songs and one hit
>

> Hughes cooks them to perfection and provides an unmissable film
which
> brilliantly integrates music as a key component.

Um, have you ever seen any Wim Wenders films? While I wouldn't class
neither 'Until the End of the World' nor 'Far Away so Close' as
'romantic comedy, they are intensely romantic (my SO tells me that if
you cast Sam Neill as a spurned lover you can't go wrong) and has
their comical moments. I wouldn't compare them to Hughes, though; they
are too ... wossname ... absurdly disturbing and uncategorisable,
while being entertaining and interesting thingy.

But what Wenders share with Hughes is the treatment of the musical
soundtrack. If you put artists like U2 and Nick Cave - both of whom
wrote songs specifically for UtEotW - with REM, Depeche Mode, Lou Reed
and Neneh Cherry, you get an interesting mixture. Sprinkle with less
known artists like T-Bone Burnett and Crime & the City Solution, Julee
Cruise and some chap called Elvis Costello, with some kd lang and
Patti Smith thrown in for good measure, and you get a nice sample of
my record collection. But the thing is that it works beautifully - the
music enhances the film and vice versa.

Does it show it's one of my favourites? <g>

It also features the priest from The Excorcist/Emperor Ming from Flash
Gordon as the weird scientist - Max von Sydow.

Orjan

Kimberley Verburg

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Nov 20, 2000, 7:40:52 PM11/20/00
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Uwe Milde <umi...@gmx.de> wrote:

>On 16 Nov 2000 10:15:32 +0100, Leo Breebaart wrote:

>>The next morning, most of us convened at Patrick's place for the
>>customary post-afpmeet chill-out breakfast. Gideon and Melusine had
>>brought us *tons* of muffins and crumpets, and so we spent a pleasantly
>>quiet morning toasting bread products,
>

>Actually that was performed by the one true Toast-Meister [1], unless he
>already refers to himself in Pluralis Majestis.

>[1] Leo

I think Leo's Toast-Meister title should be revoked considering the
current state of my toaster. When newly bought a couple of months ago, the
toaster was carefully tested to determine which setting would produce
optimum brownness and crunchiness. That setting was 4.

Then Mr. Ent got his twigs on it.

The best toast can now be achieved with setting 3. I won't say perfect,
because toast should never be a short-range projectile. Setting 4 produces
toast that is too dark and looks as if it contains nasty words like
"carcinogens". Setting 4.5, however, turns out toast that is lighter than
3 and 4. With two millimetres of charcoal down one side.

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Leo Breebaart

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Nov 22, 2000, 3:00:00 AM11/22/00
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Karen <ka...@lspace.org> writes:


> >[...] I have my doubts that *everyone* recognises _Some Kind Of


> >Wonderful_ as the best romantic comedy ever made, but Mike and I
> >advocated that particular theory so forcefully that I don't think
> >anyone dared to disagree with us.
>

> Well its hardly the theory to put forward if you want rigorous debate
> - John Hughes' best film playing on all his strengths.
>

> [...]


>
> And for which I shall mostly forgive Hughes his ventures into Curly
> Sue and Home Alone 666

I thought the first _Home Alone_ was quite enjoyable, to be honest. But
_Curly Sue_ is *not* an experience I would wish to repeat.


> I'd rather have someone try out ideas and miss occasionally than
> produce a consistent line of 'middles'. Because these are the people
> who make the best in most arenas. I await The Chambermaid with
> interest

The problem, if I look at Hughes' filmography, is not so much that he
tries out new ideas, but that he appears content with cloning his old
ones endlessly; not so much that he misses occasionally, but that his entire
career from _Home Alone_ onwards has pretty much been all misses (from
my personal viewpoint -- obviously the box office doesn't agree with
me).

Still, I hadn't realised that _Curly Sue_ was in fact the last movie he
actually directed himself. That he will return to the director's chair
with this _The Chambermaid_, and that it does not appear to feature
anybody below the age of twelve, are definitely good first signs.

He's going to have a hell of job getting the soundtrack that perfect
again, though. The eighties are over...

--
Leo Breebaart <l...@lspace.org>

Leo Breebaart

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Nov 22, 2000, 3:00:00 AM11/22/00
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Kimberley Verburg <k...@lspace.org> writes:


>>> we spent a pleasantly quiet morning toasting bread products,
>>
>> Actually that was performed by the one true Toast-Meister [1], unless
>> he already refers to himself in Pluralis Majestis.
>>
>> [1] Leo
>
> I think Leo's Toast-Meister title should be revoked considering the
> current state of my toaster.

Base accusations! Vile slander! Illogical deductions! I demand a
recount!

My toasting credentials are a matter of public record, and have never
been cause for complaints before.


> When newly bought a couple of months ago

Yes, and why did you have to buy a new toaster in the first place, eh?
What had happened to the old one? Did it perhaps cease functioning, by
any chance? Did it 'suddenly' stop toasting correctly? Maybe Jos tried
to 'improve' it, the way he does? Perhaps he tried to 'improve' the new
toaster as well?

And speaking of your new toaster, was it in fact capable of handling
anything else but sliced bread in the first place? Was it
muffin-compatible? Crumpet-certified? Why was I not given a manual, or
proper operating instructions, or access to the source code?

This whole situation smells, and I do not just mean the smell of crunchy
burnt bits. I sense a cover-up of massive proportions, and I suspect I
am being framed by hostile elements.

Fellow-afpers, don't believe the rumours -- they are trying to make me a
scapegoat in order to divert attention from their own faults and
failings in this Toastergate, but I will not play their little game. My
conscience is clean, my intentions were pure, and my bread products are
beyond reproach.

Peace,

--
Leo Breebaart <l...@lspace.org>

Martyn Clapham

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Nov 22, 2000, 3:00:00 AM11/22/00
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In article <8vh7nc$bb4$1...@falcon.pds.twi.tudelft.nl>, Leo Breebaart
<l...@lspace.org> writes

[ snip rather paranoid defence of accusations of what he did to a
toaster ]

>Fellow-afpers, don't believe the rumours -- they are trying to make me a
>scapegoat in order to divert attention from their own faults and
>failings in this Toastergate, but I will not play their little game. My
>conscience is clean, my intentions were pure, and my bread products are
>beyond reproach.

Yeah, and your statements are getting extremely strange!

Mart - who really doesn't hold a grudge about being fooled by the 'music
fight'. No, honestly! :-)
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Gideon Hallett

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Nov 22, 2000, 3:00:00 AM11/22/00
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On Tue, 21 Nov 2000 01:40:52 +0100, Kimberley Verburg
<k...@lspace.org> shared with us:

>Uwe Milde <umi...@gmx.de> wrote:
>>On 16 Nov 2000 10:15:32 +0100, Leo Breebaart wrote:
>
>>>The next morning, most of us convened at Patrick's place for the
>>>customary post-afpmeet chill-out breakfast. Gideon and Melusine had
>>>brought us *tons* of muffins and crumpets, and so we spent a pleasantly
>>>quiet morning toasting bread products,
>>
>>Actually that was performed by the one true Toast-Meister [1], unless he
>>already refers to himself in Pluralis Majestis.
>
>>[1] Leo
>
>I think Leo's Toast-Meister title should be revoked considering the
>current state of my toaster. When newly bought a couple of months ago, the
>toaster was carefully tested to determine which setting would produce
>optimum brownness and crunchiness. That setting was 4.

You're lucky. The only toaster I ever had either produced (mildly
inconvenienced) bread (at setting 2) or charcoal biscuits (at
setting 2.001)

>
>The best toast can now be achieved with setting 3. I won't say perfect,
>because toast should never be a short-range projectile.

That's not a bug, that's a feature!

Simply angle the toaster, place a plate underneath, and say
goodbye to the eternal problem of extracting stuck toast with a
knife; which always looks dangerous.

> Setting 4 produces
>toast that is too dark and looks as if it contains nasty words like
>"carcinogens".

Look on the bright side; it's very good for giving your coat a
healthy shine...

Consider also the number of uses charcoal has as a general
absorber of nasty substances. I'd say that a toaster which
produces something that will absorb radiation and toxins from
your body is very healthy indeed.

Sort of 'clean, inside and out'...

He's doing you a favour, so thank him the next time he burns your
toast for you...

Gideon.


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a.nevill

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Nov 23, 2000, 3:00:00 AM11/23/00
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Leo Breebaart <l...@lspace.org> wrote in message news:8vh7nc$bb4

[Snip Leo's impassioned defence of his Toast Meister status]

Leo,

Warwick ain't the only one who's ill. I am as well. Not the flu but some
sort of stomach virus. And I've been feeling awful all day. Your post made
me smile, even laugh for the first time today. I'm feeling a lot better now.

Thank you

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Karen

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Nov 26, 2000, 3:00:00 AM11/26/00
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In article <8vh6n0$b92$1...@falcon.pds.twi.tudelft.nl>, Leo Breebaart
<l...@lspace.org> writes
>Karen <ka...@lspace.org> writes:
>

>> And for which I shall mostly forgive Hughes his ventures into Curly
>> Sue and Home Alone 666
>
>I thought the first _Home Alone_ was quite enjoyable, to be honest.

So did I - the followup(s) were works of the devil.

[..]


>He's going to have a hell of job getting the soundtrack that perfect
>again, though. The eighties are over...

They are? Hell - I'll have to get rid off all those shoulder pads.
>
Actually I heard he was going to use that godawful 'dance' music. Just
like he did in the '80s. :]

Nostalgia is a wonderful thing. Only last year the charts were better,
the grass was longer, the clouds were fluffier, and we all lived in
ignorance like happy bunnies.

MegaMole

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Nov 26, 2000, 3:00:00 AM11/26/00
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In article <a8M9usC0...@goodgulf.demon.co.uk>, Karen
<ka...@lspace.org> writes

>Nostalgia is a wonderful thing. Only last year the charts were better,
>the grass was longer, the clouds were fluffier, and we all lived in
>ignorance like happy bunnies.

Oh blimey - better move, then. I take it property values have risen,
yes? I'm going to need to make a proper job of this; mortgages are
quite difficult to get, what with all those rabbits around.

And the effect of stamp duty on moles has to be seen to be believed.
Don't get me *started* on the chartered surveyors; why, only last week
that nice couple two burrows down from me - Aloysius and Sacheverell,
that's right - had a bloody great wooden stake hammered in right into
their front room.

I ask you.

And the way those bunnies are at it all the time? Should be a law
against it.

Fluffy clouds? Pah.

Karen

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Nov 27, 2000, 7:00:31 PM11/27/00
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In article <974758481.15935.0...@news.demon.co.uk>, Orjan
Westin <sp...@cunobaros.demon.co.uk> writes

>"Karen" <ka...@lspace.org> wrote in message
>news:sLqADBCY...@goodgulf.demon.co.uk...

[hughes films]

>> Take a totally predictable mundane story, get the right cast, great
>>screenplay and blend it with a soundtrack put together from a complete

>> rag bag of odd songs and one hit wonders


>>
>> Hughes cooks them to perfection and provides an unmissable film
>>which brilliantly integrates music as a key component.

>Um, have you ever seen any Wim Wenders films?

Shamefully little of his. Hasn't he done music documentary too?

>While I wouldn't class
>neither 'Until the End of the World' nor 'Far Away so Close' as
>'romantic comedy, they are intensely romantic (my SO tells me that if
>you cast Sam Neill as a spurned lover you can't go wrong)

yes. *how* have I missed this? Am quite fond of Sam Neill :]

>and has
>their comical moments. I wouldn't compare them to Hughes, though; they
>are too ... wossname ... absurdly disturbing and uncategorisable,
>while being entertaining and interesting thingy.

That is good enough - send me a list and I shall start to rectify the
gaps :]


>
>But what Wenders share with Hughes is the treatment of the musical
>soundtrack. If you put artists like U2 and Nick Cave

I'll Love you til the End of the World?

<slaps head> can't believe I didn't get this.

> - both of whom
>wrote songs specifically for UtEotW - with REM, Depeche Mode, Lou Reed
>and Neneh Cherry,

Move with Me?
I *love* Neneh Cherry

>you get an interesting mixture. Sprinkle with less
>known artists like T-Bone Burnett and Crime & the City Solution, Julee
>Cruise and some chap called Elvis Costello,

:P

Days?

> with some kd lang and
>Patti Smith thrown in for good measure,

And Peter Gabriel and Talking Heads? Tell me it has them too? Yes?


>and you get a nice sample of
>my record collection. But the thing is that it works beautifully - the
>music enhances the film and vice versa.
>
>Does it show it's one of my favourites? <g>
>

Oh yes - but even more it identifies a tape of bits and pieces I was
given ages ago and lost, and never fully identified. I shall definitely
find the video. And the sound track must be available too.


Well since we are looking back at '80s artists in this thread I shall
hijack it to ask if anyone remembers Sam Brown? Remember the albums
'Stop' and '43 minutes'?

After years of contractual problems, session singing (especially with
Jools Holland) she finally has a new album of her own out - Reboot. Have
a listen :] The sensational voice is still *very* much there :]

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