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Bruce Perens

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May 11, 2002, 6:20:05 AM5/11/02
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I met RMS' girlfriend today. Yes, RMS has a girlfriend. She is a very
nice, intelligent person who works for Public Knowledge, an organization
that is leading the fight to protect the public domain. She is also tall,
thin, young, and drop-dead gorgeous. I am not kidding.

Bruce


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Sean Middleditch

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May 11, 2002, 11:20:05 AM5/11/02
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On Sat, 2002-05-11 at 06:10, Bruce Perens wrote:
> I met RMS' girlfriend today. Yes, RMS has a girlfriend. She is a very
> nice, intelligent person who works for Public Knowledge, an organization
> that is leading the fight to protect the public domain. She is also tall,
> thin, young, and drop-dead gorgeous. I am not kidding.

Um... this is debian-devel, and not debian-whocares, right?

e...@buici.com

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May 11, 2002, 12:10:09 PM5/11/02
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Hear hear.

Lauri Tischler

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May 11, 2002, 12:20:09 PM5/11/02
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e...@buici.com wrote:
> Hear hear.
>
> On Sat, May 11, 2002 at 11:06:49AM -0400, Sean Middleditch wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 2002-05-11 at 06:10, Bruce Perens wrote:
>>
>>>I met RMS' girlfriend today. Yes, RMS has a girlfriend. She is a very
>>>nice, intelligent person who works for Public Knowledge, an organization
>>>that is leading the fight to protect the public domain. She is also tall,
>>>thin, young, and drop-dead gorgeous. I am not kidding.
>>
>>Um... this is debian-devel, and not debian-whocares, right?
>>

Bruce ain't going to the right bars, the bars where boys are not
wearing pink shirts have more girls with 'right' attitude.
Maybe we need debian-whorecares :)

Craig Dickson

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May 11, 2002, 1:00:13 PM5/11/02
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Bruce Perens wrote:

> I met RMS' girlfriend today. Yes, RMS has a girlfriend. She is a very
> nice, intelligent person who works for Public Knowledge, an organization
> that is leading the fight to protect the public domain. She is also tall,
> thin, young, and drop-dead gorgeous. I am not kidding.

I'm sorry, but you have just lost all credibility with me.

Craig

H. S. Teoh

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May 11, 2002, 1:10:05 PM5/11/02
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On Sat, May 11, 2002 at 09:54:08AM -0700, Craig Dickson wrote:
> Bruce Perens wrote:
>
> > I met RMS' girlfriend today. Yes, RMS has a girlfriend. She is a very
> > nice, intelligent person who works for Public Knowledge, an organization
> > that is leading the fight to protect the public domain. She is also tall,
> > thin, young, and drop-dead gorgeous. I am not kidding.
>
> I'm sorry, but you have just lost all credibility with me.
[snip]

Look again at the originating email address. It smells suspicious to me...


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Wilmer van der Gaast

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May 11, 2002, 2:00:05 PM5/11/02
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Bruce Per...@lists.debian-devel@Sat, 11 May 2002 03:10:42 -0700 (PDT):
> She is also tall, thin, young, [..]
>
and does she also have a laaaaaarge beard?

(/me hides)

Anyway, I suppose this should've been on debian-curiosa? That's the
debian-whocares Sean's talking about, I think.

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Wichert Akkerman

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May 11, 2002, 3:50:06 PM5/11/02
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Previously H. S. Teoh wrote:
> Look again at the originating email address. It smells suspicious to me...

It does look proper.

Wichert.

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martin f krafft

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May 11, 2002, 4:40:06 PM5/11/02
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also sprach H. S. Teoh <hst...@quickfur.yi.org> [2002.05.11.1858 +0200]:

> Look again at the originating email address. It smells suspicious to me...

uhm, and why? br...@perens.com is his address, and the message *did*
come from princeton...

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Carlos Laviola

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May 12, 2002, 2:30:06 AM5/12/02
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On Sat, May 11, 2002 at 05:47:49PM +0000, Wilmer van der Gaast wrote:
> Bruce Per...@lists.debian-devel@Sat, 11 May 2002 03:10:42 -0700 (PDT):
> > She is also tall, thin, young, [..]
> >
> and does she also have a laaaaaarge beard?
>
> (/me hides)
>
> Anyway, I suppose this should've been on debian-curiosa? That's the
> debian-whocares Sean's talking about, I think.

People should just stop being so arrogant. This is Bruce Perens and he
will rarely ever post something as off-topic as this again, so there's
no need for anyone to try to teach him how to use debian-devel, he
probably knows it.

FWIW, I thought it was somewhat interesting info. >:)

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Amaya

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May 12, 2002, 2:20:12 PM5/12/02
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http://www.geocities.com/stallmanus/

"Anyway, RMS has or had a number or geek chick groupies. I wouldn't call
any of the ones I've seen "hot", really -- well except for this one
little psycho jewish undergrad from NYC. He would sleep with them on the
sofa in his office. That's why he got kicked out off floor 7, and down
to the 3 floor, is that the cleaning staff complained about pulling used
condoms out from behind the sofas. No joke. You can use this information
for trolling if you wish, but it's all true."

Ooops, I wish Céspedes hadn't suggested that google search...

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Michael Alan Dorman

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May 13, 2002, 10:40:13 AM5/13/02
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Sean Middleditch <elan...@awesomeplay.com> writes:
> On Sat, 2002-05-11 at 06:10, Bruce Perens wrote:
> > I met RMS' girlfriend today. Yes, RMS has a girlfriend. She is a very
> > nice, intelligent person who works for Public Knowledge, an organization
> > that is leading the fight to protect the public domain. She is also tall,
> > thin, young, and drop-dead gorgeous. I am not kidding.
>
> Um... this is debian-devel, and not debian-whocares, right?

Some of us do care, or are at least interested to hear it. People
should have lives, not just crusades. Maybe it'll even make RMS
easier to deal with. :-)

Mike.

Roberto Suarez Soto

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May 13, 2002, 11:20:15 AM5/13/02
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On May/12, Michael Alan Dorman wrote:

[RMS has a girlfriend]


> Some of us do care, or are at least interested to hear it. People
> should have lives, not just crusades. Maybe it'll even make RMS
> easier to deal with. :-)

Ok, but as the previous poster said ... What's the point? :-)

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Sean Middleditch

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May 13, 2002, 11:30:14 AM5/13/02
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On Mon, 2002-05-13 at 11:15, Roberto Suarez Soto wrote:
> On May/12, Michael Alan Dorman wrote:
>
> [RMS has a girlfriend]
> > Some of us do care, or are at least interested to hear it. People
> > should have lives, not just crusades. Maybe it'll even make RMS
> > easier to deal with. :-)
>
> Ok, but as the previous poster said ... What's the point? :-)

Oooh, ooh, I know! I know! Only Free Software developers get the
blonde girls, us Open Source people are stuck with the brunettes!

Good thing I prefer brunettes and BSD-license, eh?

Sean Etc.

Roberto Suarez Soto

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May 13, 2002, 11:40:11 AM5/13/02
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On May/13, Sean Middleditch wrote:

> > [RMS has a girlfriend]
> > > Some of us do care, or are at least interested to hear it. People

> > Ok, but as the previous poster said ... What's the point? :-)
> Oooh, ooh, I know! I know! Only Free Software developers get the
> blonde girls, us Open Source people are stuck with the brunettes!

Hmmmm. Would you believe me if I told you that I don't understand what
you mean? O:-)

> Good thing I prefer brunettes and BSD-license, eh?

I do, in fact, prefer brunettes too. Though I'm quite license-agnostic
:-)

Jonathan Crockett

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May 13, 2002, 11:40:13 AM5/13/02
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Does this mean there will be a VRMS-GF package deveoloped soon?

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Sean Middleditch

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May 13, 2002, 11:50:11 AM5/13/02
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On Mon, 2002-05-13 at 11:30, Roberto Suarez Soto wrote:
> On May/13, Sean Middleditch wrote:
>
> > > [RMS has a girlfriend]
> > > > Some of us do care, or are at least interested to hear it. People
> > > Ok, but as the previous poster said ... What's the point? :-)
> > Oooh, ooh, I know! I know! Only Free Software developers get the
> > blonde girls, us Open Source people are stuck with the brunettes!
>
> Hmmmm. Would you believe me if I told you that I don't understand what
> you mean? O:-)

Oh, durn, my bad. I thought the original mail said the girl was
blonde. You can tell I didn't really bother to read it carefully.

Well, I screwed that joke up. ^,^

Eric Van Buggenhaut

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May 13, 2002, 1:20:10 PM5/13/02
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On Sat, May 11, 2002 at 03:10:42AM -0700, Bruce Perens wrote:
> I met RMS' girlfriend today. Yes, RMS has a girlfriend. She is a very
> nice, intelligent person who works for Public Knowledge, an organization
> that is leading the fight to protect the public domain. She is also tall,
> thin, young, and drop-dead gorgeous. I am not kidding.
>

Sorry Bruce, I don't understand the point of such a respectless
message ...

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Stephen Zander

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May 13, 2002, 1:20:10 PM5/13/02
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>>>>> "Jonathan" == Jonathan Crockett <jcro...@midco.net> writes:
Jonathan> Does this mean there will be a VRMS-GF package
Jonathan> deveoloped soon?

Now there's a potential violation of the Communications Decency Act.

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Bruce Perens

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May 13, 2002, 2:10:05 PM5/13/02
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On Mon, May 13, 2002 at 07:13:13PM +0200, Eric Van Buggenhaut wrote:
> Sorry Bruce, I don't understand the point of such a respectless
> message ...

Well, I don't know how well, or for how long, you know Richard.

A good many of us hold some admiration, respect, or even affection for
RMS. At the same time being conscious that like all humans, he has
his limitations. Geeks sometimes have trouble getting along in the
world. RMS is an uber-geek and has come in for a good deal of pain.
It is nice to see that he is doing better now.

Thanks

Bruce

Wichert Akkerman

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May 13, 2002, 2:20:12 PM5/13/02
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Previously Sean Middleditch wrote:
> Oooh, ooh, I know! I know! Only Free Software developers get the
> blonde girls, us Open Source people are stuck with the brunettes!

Please don't tell me proprietary software developers get the redheads..

Wichert.

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Sean 'Shaleh' Perry

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May 13, 2002, 2:20:17 PM5/13/02
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On 13-May-2002 Bruce Perens wrote:
> On Mon, May 13, 2002 at 07:13:13PM +0200, Eric Van Buggenhaut wrote:
>> Sorry Bruce, I don't understand the point of such a respectless
>> message ...
>
> Well, I don't know how well, or for how long, you know Richard.
>
> A good many of us hold some admiration, respect, or even affection for
> RMS. At the same time being conscious that like all humans, he has
> his limitations. Geeks sometimes have trouble getting along in the
> world. RMS is an uber-geek and has come in for a good deal of pain.
> It is nice to see that he is doing better now.
>

Life is a lot easier when you have someone to share it with. That's for sure.

Sean 'Shaleh' Perry

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May 13, 2002, 2:30:11 PM5/13/02
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On 13-May-2002 Wichert Akkerman wrote:
> Previously Sean Middleditch wrote:
>> Oooh, ooh, I know! I know! Only Free Software developers get the
>> blonde girls, us Open Source people are stuck with the brunettes!
>
> Please don't tell me proprietary software developers get the redheads..
>

redheads sleep with who ever they want ......

Michael Meskes

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On Mon, May 13, 2002 at 08:12:09PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
> Previously Sean Middleditch wrote:
> > Oooh, ooh, I know! I know! Only Free Software developers get the
> > blonde girls, us Open Source people are stuck with the brunettes!
>
> Please don't tell me proprietary software developers get the redheads..

Hmm, do you think that would be a plus for proprietary software
developers? I surely do, but then this is fortunately not true. :-)

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Adam Heath

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May 13, 2002, 2:30:13 PM5/13/02
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On Mon, 13 May 2002, Wichert Akkerman wrote:

> Previously Sean Middleditch wrote:
> > Oooh, ooh, I know! I know! Only Free Software developers get the
> > blonde girls, us Open Source people are stuck with the brunettes!
>
> Please don't tell me proprietary software developers get the redheads..

Maybe that's why Tiffany is not responding to me.

Vincent Renardias

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May 13, 2002, 2:40:13 PM5/13/02
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On Mon, 13 May 2002, Wichert Akkerman wrote:

> Previously Sean Middleditch wrote:
> > Oooh, ooh, I know! I know! Only Free Software developers get the
> > blonde girls, us Open Source people are stuck with the brunettes!
>
> Please don't tell me proprietary software developers get the redheads..

They get the balds. :-)

/me ducks.

Gustavo Noronha Silva

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May 13, 2002, 3:00:10 PM5/13/02
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Em Sun, 12 May 2002 03:18:51 -0300, Carlos Laviola <clav...@debian.org>
escreveu:

> On Sat, May 11, 2002 at 05:47:49PM +0000, Wilmer van der Gaast wrote:
> > Bruce Per...@lists.debian-devel@Sat, 11 May 2002 03:10:42 -0700 (PDT):
> > > She is also tall, thin, young, [..]
> > >
> > and does she also have a laaaaaarge beard?
> >
> > (/me hides)
> >
> > Anyway, I suppose this should've been on debian-curiosa? That's the
> > debian-whocares Sean's talking about, I think.
>
> People should just stop being so arrogant. This is Bruce Perens and he

I see no one acting that arrongantly here... and btw, it doesn't really
matter if it is Bruce Perens or God posting... RMS himself was put on
hold on our NM queue and that is the way the whole thing should be...

> FWIW, I thought it was somewhat interesting info. >:)

for debian-curiosa, surely ;)

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Branden Robinson

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May 13, 2002, 3:50:14 PM5/13/02
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On Mon, May 13, 2002 at 08:12:09PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
> Previously Sean Middleditch wrote:
> > Oooh, ooh, I know! I know! Only Free Software developers get the
> > blonde girls, us Open Source people are stuck with the brunettes!
>
> Please don't tell me proprietary software developers get the redheads..

I can assure you that's not the case. I once dated three redheads in a
row (this was, of course, a long time ago :) ).

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Sean Middleditch

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May 13, 2002, 4:00:12 PM5/13/02
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On Mon, 2002-05-13 at 15:48, Branden Robinson wrote:
> On Mon, May 13, 2002 at 08:12:09PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
> > Previously Sean Middleditch wrote:
> > > Oooh, ooh, I know! I know! Only Free Software developers get the
> > > blonde girls, us Open Source people are stuck with the brunettes!
> >
> > Please don't tell me proprietary software developers get the redheads..
>
> I can assure you that's not the case. I once dated three redheads in a
> row (this was, of course, a long time ago :) ).

Hmm then, maybe it is X11 developers who get the redheads? ~,^

>
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Branden Robinson

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May 13, 2002, 4:00:15 PM5/13/02
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On Mon, May 13, 2002 at 10:58:52AM -0700, Bruce Perens wrote:
> Well, I don't know how well, or for how long, you know Richard.
>
> A good many of us hold some admiration, respect, or even affection for
> RMS. At the same time being conscious that like all humans, he has
> his limitations. Geeks sometimes have trouble getting along in the
> world. RMS is an uber-geek and has come in for a good deal of pain.
> It is nice to see that he is doing better now.

I think people were picking up on a tone of incredulity from your
message, which may not actually have been there, but was instead
projected upon it by the reader. Perhaps people's willingness to
believe that RMS can have a successful relationship is correlated with
their own level of romantic success. :)

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Colin Walters

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May 13, 2002, 6:10:07 PM5/13/02
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On Sat, 2002-05-11 at 06:10, Bruce Perens wrote:
> I met RMS' girlfriend today. Yes, RMS has a girlfriend. She is a very
> nice, intelligent person who works for Public Knowledge, an organization
> that is leading the fight to protect the public domain. She is also tall,
> thin, young, and drop-dead gorgeous. I am not kidding.

All I have to say is this thread on -devel is certainly a sign we should
release woody :)

Robert van der Meulen

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May 13, 2002, 6:50:14 PM5/13/02
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Quoting Branden Robinson (bra...@debian.org):
> I can assure you that's not the case. I once dated three redheads in a
> row (this was, of course, a long time ago :) ).

The correct information to give here, for statistical and informational
purposes, is whether you got them all or not :)

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Joop Stakenborg

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May 13, 2002, 7:00:17 PM5/13/02
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On Monday 13 May 2002 23:53, Colin Walters wrote:
> On Sat, 2002-05-11 at 06:10, Bruce Perens wrote:
> > I met RMS' girlfriend today. Yes, RMS has a girlfriend. She is a very
> > nice, intelligent person who works for Public Knowledge, an organization
> > that is leading the fight to protect the public domain. She is also tall,
> > thin, young, and drop-dead gorgeous. I am not kidding.
>
> All I have to say is this thread on -devel is certainly a sign we should
> release woody :)

Yeah, why don't we rename woody to RMS's girlfriend?

Joop

Wouter Verhelst

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May 13, 2002, 7:30:11 PM5/13/02
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On Mon, 13 May 2002, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
> Previously Sean Middleditch wrote:
> > Oooh, ooh, I know! I know! Only Free Software developers get the
> > blonde girls, us Open Source people are stuck with the brunettes!
>
> Please don't tell me proprietary software developers get the redheads..

They get the hookers ;-)

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Wouter Verhelst

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May 13, 2002, 7:40:06 PM5/13/02
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On Mon, 13 May 2002, Gustavo Noronha Silva wrote:
> I see no one acting that arrongantly here... and btw, it doesn't really
> matter if it is Bruce Perens or God posting... RMS himself was put on
> hold on our NM queue and that is the way the whole thing should be...

'not ready for tasks and skills'. Oh well ;-)

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Robert van der Meulen

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May 13, 2002, 8:00:10 PM5/13/02
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Quoting Joop Stakenborg (pa3...@debian.org):
> Yeah, why don't we rename woody to RMS's girlfriend?

Isn't it a bit too forward to assume a 1:1 relationship between
'woody':'RMSs girlfriend' ? I mean, we haven't met her. How do we know she's
woody incarnate ?

Greets,
Robert

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May 13, 2002, 10:10:09 PM5/13/02
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Bruce Perens <br...@perens.com> writes:

> A good many of us hold some admiration, respect, or even affection for
> RMS. At the same time being conscious that like all humans, he has
> his limitations. Geeks sometimes have trouble getting along in the
> world. RMS is an uber-geek and has come in for a good deal of pain.
> It is nice to see that he is doing better now.

As long as I've known RMS, he has had no trouble finding people to
date. He might experience the same frustrations of all of us, of
course. But it's not like he's never had people interested in him.
And I worked next to his office for eight years.

All of the women I met were kind decent people well worth anyone's
time or interest.

The whole thing seems mildly distasteful, however; I would not
terribly enjoy having the ins and outs of my tumultuous love life
discussed on debian-devel.

Thomas

Jamie Wilkinson

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May 13, 2002, 10:40:06 PM5/13/02
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This one time, at band camp, Sean Middleditch wrote:
>On Mon, 2002-05-13 at 11:15, Roberto Suarez Soto wrote:
>> On May/12, Michael Alan Dorman wrote:
>>
>> [RMS has a girlfriend]
>> > Some of us do care, or are at least interested to hear it. People
>> > should have lives, not just crusades. Maybe it'll even make RMS
>> > easier to deal with. :-)
>>
>> Ok, but as the previous poster said ... What's the point? :-)
>
>Oooh, ooh, I know! I know! Only Free Software developers get the
>blonde girls, us Open Source people are stuck with the brunettes!

And the ones who actually do the work get the redheads?

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May 13, 2002, 10:50:05 PM5/13/02
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One of the advantages of techie-nerd-culture being mostly male is that
we gay nerds have better odds. Chortle chortle.

Thomas

Jon Eisenstein

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May 13, 2002, 11:00:07 PM5/13/02
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Just to pipe in here with another completely off-topic comment about geek
dating, I have to report that

1) My girlfriend brags to friends about how great her geek boyfriend is
2) Her friend comments, "I wish I could find a nice, sensitive,
slightly-overweight geek of my own"
3) Shirley Manson of Garbage (who is a personal friend of my GF) recently
stated her crush on Tobey McGuire, saying, "I love those geeky guys. They're
so great in bed."

So don't lose hope, all you out there in geekland! Even major rock stars are
looking for you!

Jaldhar H. Vyas

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On 13 May 2002, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote:

> As long as I've known RMS, he has had no trouble finding people to
> date. He might experience the same frustrations of all of us, of
> course. But it's not like he's never had people interested in him.
> And I worked next to his office for eight years.
>

Totally off-topic (when did that ever stop anyone?) but this subject is
covered in "Free as In Freedom" a biography of RMS[1] I read recently.
Given that my only real life experience with him was when he almost bit my
head off for not saying GNU/Linux[2], this book did lot to humanize the
man in my eyes. It also made me a feel a bit sad for a man who loves
people but whose genius has pushed them away from him. Is this
idealization of abstract principles of community just a substitute for the
warmth of real community?

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[1] Of course it is copylefted. It is available online at
http://www.oreilly.com/openbook/freedom/ or can be bought as a book from
O'Reilly & Associates. ISBN 0-596-00287-4

[2] And I wasn't even talking to him but another FSF volunteer. In the
middle of making a donation no less! I understand the heathens have to be
preached to but didn't Mr. McArthur-Certified Genius suspect this was a
person who already knew the party line?

Moshe Zadka

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On 13 May 2002, t...@becket.net (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) wrote:

> One of the advantages of techie-nerd-culture being mostly male is that
> we gay nerds have better odds. Chortle chortle.

I think that in the name of statistical completeness, we need to know
which ones free software gay nerds get: blondes? brunettes? red heads?

Thomas Bushnell, BSG

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Moshe Zadka <m...@moshez.org> writes:

> On 13 May 2002, t...@becket.net (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) wrote:
>
> > One of the advantages of techie-nerd-culture being mostly male is that
> > we gay nerds have better odds. Chortle chortle.
>
> I think that in the name of statistical completeness, we need to know
> which ones free software gay nerds get: blondes? brunettes? red heads?

Well, blondes, no. Blonds, perhaps. Brunettes? No. Dark
hair... perhaps.

Thomas

Amaya

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Jaldhar H. Vyas dijo:

> It also made me a feel a bit sad for a man who loves people but whose
> genius has pushed them away from him.

IMHO, it's not his genius, but his manners...

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On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 04:44:46AM -0000, Moshe Zadka wrote:
> > One of the advantages of techie-nerd-culture being mostly male is that
> > we gay nerds have better odds. Chortle chortle.
> I think that in the name of statistical completeness, we need to know
> which ones free software gay nerds get: blondes? brunettes? red heads?

Umm, IME, umm, blondes, brunettes, very very dark hair, umm, no red-heads --
although I'm red-head so I s'pose my geeky boyfriend gets those :)

*grin*

(Does that make me a slag?)

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Ben Burton

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Well when the thread on "RMS' girlfriend" first turned up I didn't expect I'd
be contributing. :)

> > I think that in the name of statistical completeness, we need to know
> > which ones free software gay nerds get: blondes? brunettes? red heads?

I think almost every guy I've been out with has been brunette.

> Well, blondes, no. Blonds, perhaps.

Aah, fond memories of linguistic troubles during my time in America...

Oh, and signify even picked a random quote suitable for the occasion. :)

Ben.

PS: So who's going to put in the request for a debian-queer list? ;-)

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Roberto Suarez Soto

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On May/14, Ben Burton wrote:

> PS: So who's going to put in the request for a debian-queer list? ;-)

If that list is created, I'll start the process for a
debian-developers-looking-for-a-girlfriend list :-) ;-D

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Joseph Carter

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On Sun, May 12, 2002 at 01:39:13PM -0400, Michael Alan Dorman wrote:
> > Um... this is debian-devel, and not debian-whocares, right?

>
> Some of us do care, or are at least interested to hear it. People
> should have lives, not just crusades. Maybe it'll even make RMS
> easier to deal with. :-)

Well, I have noted on more than one occasion that Richard seriously needs
to get laid. ;)

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Hi,

> > > Please don't tell me proprietary software developers get the redheads..
> > I can assure you that's not the case. I once dated three redheads in a
> > row (this was, of course, a long time ago :) ).

> Hmm then, maybe it is X11 developers who get the redheads? ~,^

Could be. At least I met one shortly after I submitted a patch to XFree86,
but it was only a minor patch to the build system, so I had to find out it
was not her real hair color. :-/

Simon

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Hi,

on Tue, 14 May 2002, Roberto Suarez Soto wrote:

> If that list is created, I'll start the process for a
> debian-developers-looking-for-a-girlfriend list :-) ;-D

I think the proper technical solution would be to add photos and a
"looking for a GF" checkbox to db.debian.org and people.debian.org.

Simon

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Il mar, 2002-05-14 alle 11:56, Simon Richter ha scritto:
> Hi,
>
> on Tue, 14 May 2002, Roberto Suarez Soto wrote:
>
> > If that list is created, I'll start the process for a
> > debian-developers-looking-for-a-girlfriend list :-) ;-D
>
> I think the proper technical solution would be to add photos and a
> "looking for a GF" checkbox to db.debian.org and people.debian.org.

"looking for a GF" seems quite partial to me. what about a tri-state
box:

* free (available)
* occupied (not available)
* occupied (but available!)

/me ducks. quack.

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On 14 May 2002, Federico Di Gregorio <f...@initd.org> wrote:

> "looking for a GF" seems quite partial to me. what about a tri-state
> box:
>
> * free (available)
> * occupied (not available)
> * occupied (but available!)

Considering we have a number of female developers and some gay developers,
I think "looking for a GF" is very prejudiced. I suggest "looking for
SO".

Followups set to debian-curiosa
>

Considering we have a number of female developers and some gay developers,
I think "looking for a GF" is very prejudiced. I suggest "looking for
SO". (Not that I am against gay female developers, who are also looking
for a GF possible).

Followups set to debian-curiosa

Vincent Renardias

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On Tue, 14 May 2002, Simon Richter wrote:

> on Tue, 14 May 2002, Roberto Suarez Soto wrote:
>
> > If that list is created, I'll start the process for a
> > debian-developers-looking-for-a-girlfriend list :-) ;-D
>
> I think the proper technical solution would be to add photos and a
> "looking for a GF" checkbox to db.debian.org and people.debian.org.

Not sure about the checkbox :-)
However, it would be nice if we could have an option to add a photo in our
profile on db.debian.org. There used to be a gallery of pictures of debian
developpers somewhere on netgod.net a few years ago, but it seems to have
disapeared...


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Josip Rodin

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On Mon, May 13, 2002 at 10:58:52AM -0700, Bruce Perens wrote:
> > Sorry Bruce, I don't understand the point of such a respectless
> > message ...

>
> Well, I don't know how well, or for how long, you know Richard.
>
> A good many of us hold some admiration, respect, or even affection for
> RMS. At the same time being conscious that like all humans, he has
> his limitations. Geeks sometimes have trouble getting along in the
> world. RMS is an uber-geek and has come in for a good deal of pain.
> It is nice to see that he is doing better now.

Your tone definitely seemed mocking.

And, worse even ;) it was offtopic, it should have been on -curiosa or
-project! :)

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DvB

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"Jon Eisenstein" <jei...@mindspring.com> writes:

<snip>


> 3) Shirley Manson of Garbage (who is a personal friend of my GF) recently
> stated her crush on Tobey McGuire, saying, "I love those geeky guys. They're
> so great in bed."

<snip>

Any chance of a hookup? ;-)

Branden Robinson

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On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 12:48:22AM +0200, Robert van der Meulen wrote:
> The correct information to give here, for statistical and informational
> purposes, is whether you got them all or not :)

"Got them"? Pray tell what ever do you mean? I have no idea...

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Wilmer van der Gaast

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Moshe Za...@lists.debian-devel@14 May 2002 10:31:26 -0000:

> Considering we have a number of female developers and some gay developers,
> I think "looking for a GF" is very prejudiced. I suggest "looking for
> SO".
>
SO == Sexual Opposite, right?

Hmm, still not gay-friendly I guess.


So, where's this checkbox? Couldn't find it yet..

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In article <slrnae2l3l...@ruby.gaast.net>, Wilmer van der Gaast wrote:
> Moshe Za...@lists.debian-devel@14 May 2002 10:31:26 -0000:
>> Considering we have a number of female developers and some gay developers,
>> I think "looking for a GF" is very prejudiced. I suggest "looking for
>> SO".
>>
> SO == Sexual Opposite, right?

I've always thought it meant "Significant Other".

> Hmm, still not gay-friendly I guess.

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Quoting Branden Robinson (bra...@debian.org):
> On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 12:48:22AM +0200, Robert van der Meulen wrote:
> > The correct information to give here, for statistical and informational
> > purposes, is whether you got them all or not :)
>
> "Got them"? Pray tell what ever do you mean? I have no idea...

Simon Richter <s...@debian.org> wrote:
| Hmm then, maybe it is X11 developers who get the redheads? ~,^

Greets,
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On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 11:16:28AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 12:48:22AM +0200, Robert van der Meulen wrote:
> > The correct information to give here, for statistical and informational
> > purposes, is whether you got them all or not :)
>
> "Got them"? Pray tell what ever do you mean? I have no idea...

Me neither. Near as I can figure, this sense is likely the most
relevant:

1. To procure; to obtain; to gain possession of; to acquire;
to earn; to obtain as a price or reward; to come by; to
win, by almost any means; as, to get favor by kindness; to
get wealth by industry and economy; to get land by
purchase, etc.
[1913 Webster]

Did you procure, obtain, gain possession of, acquire, earn, come by,
or win these legendary redheads? (Free with your Cracker Jacks
perhaps?)

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DvB

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Branden Robinson <bra...@debian.org> writes:

> On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 12:48:22AM +0200, Robert van der Meulen wrote:
> > The correct information to give here, for statistical and informational
> > purposes, is whether you got them all or not :)
>
> "Got them"? Pray tell what ever do you mean? I have no idea...


Objection! Branden, you don't have to answer that question!

Richard Braakman

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On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 11:56:55AM +0200, Simon Richter wrote:
> I think the proper technical solution would be to add photos and a
> "looking for a GF" checkbox to db.debian.org and people.debian.org.

I don't think we should be encouraging that sort of thing, it cuts into
the coding time.

Richard Braakman

Daniel Silverstone

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On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 06:16:20PM +0000, Wilmer van der Gaast wrote:
> Moshe Za...@lists.debian-devel@14 May 2002 10:31:26 -0000:
> > Considering we have a number of female developers and some gay developers,
> > I think "looking for a GF" is very prejudiced. I suggest "looking for
> > SO".
> >
> SO == Sexual Opposite, right?

I hate getting into this but...

SO is generally accepted as meaning "Significant Other" which is more
"politically correct" than "Other Half" and much less
connotation-forming than "partner" which is often thought of as
homosexual partner even though it isn't that at all.

> Hmm, still not gay-friendly I guess.

Best choice so far.

Unless you have a dropdown for "wants a man" "wants a woman" "wants
noone" "wants a dog" or whatever

:)

D.

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Scott Henson

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On Tue, 2002-05-14 at 14:16, Wilmer van der Gaast wrote:
> Moshe Za...@lists.debian-devel@14 May 2002 10:31:26 -0000:
> > Considering we have a number of female developers and some gay developers,
> > I think "looking for a GF" is very prejudiced. I suggest "looking for
> > SO".
> >
> SO == Sexual Opposite, right?

as a rule SO = Significant Other

> So, where's this checkbox? Couldn't find it yet..

Doesnt exist, its just an idea(joke perhaps?).

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On Tue, 14 May 2002, Wilmer van der Gaast wrote:

> Moshe Za...@lists.debian-devel@14 May 2002 10:31:26 -0000:
> > Considering we have a number of female developers and some gay developers,
> > I think "looking for a GF" is very prejudiced. I suggest "looking for
> > SO".
> >
> SO == Sexual Opposite, right?

Nah. 'SomeOne'.

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On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 06:16:20PM +0000, Wilmer van der Gaast wrote:
> Moshe Za...@lists.debian-devel@14 May 2002 10:31:26 -0000:
> > Considering we have a number of female developers and some gay developers,
> > I think "looking for a GF" is very prejudiced. I suggest "looking for
> > SO".
> >
> SO == Sexual Opposite, right?

Significant Other (but you knew that) or, even more appropriate and less
ambiguous, and less well-known, MOTAS.

Member of the Appropriate Sex.

-john

Robert van der Meulen

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Quoting Wilmer van der Gaast (lin...@bigfoot.com):
> Moshe Za...@lists.debian-devel@14 May 2002 10:31:26 -0000:
> > Considering we have a number of female developers and some gay developers,
> > I think "looking for a GF" is very prejudiced. I suggest "looking for
> > SO".
> >
> SO == Sexual Opposite, right?
>
> Hmm, still not gay-friendly I guess.

Significant Other

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May 14, 2002, 6:50:07 PM5/14/02
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On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 06:16:20PM +0000, Wilmer van der Gaast wrote:
> Moshe Za...@lists.debian-devel@14 May 2002 10:31:26 -0000:
> > Considering we have a number of female developers and some gay developers,
> > I think "looking for a GF" is very prejudiced. I suggest "looking for
> > SO".
> >
> SO == Sexual Opposite, right?
>
> Hmm, still not gay-friendly I guess.

No, SO means "Significant Other" if IRC and is PC.

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Chris Cheney

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May 14, 2002, 6:50:13 PM5/14/02
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On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 06:16:20PM +0000, Wilmer van der Gaast wrote:
> SO == Sexual Opposite, right?
>
> Hmm, still not gay-friendly I guess.

Significant Other. :P

Thomas Bushnell, BSG

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May 14, 2002, 7:00:14 PM5/14/02
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Wilmer van der Gaast <lin...@bigfoot.com> writes:

> SO == Sexual Opposite, right?
>
> Hmm, still not gay-friendly I guess.

No, SO means "significant other", quite PC.

Steve Greenland

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On 14-May-02, 13:16 (CDT), Wilmer van der Gaast <lin...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> Moshe Za...@lists.debian-devel@14 May 2002 10:31:26 -0000:
> > Considering we have a number of female developers and some gay developers,
> > I think "looking for a GF" is very prejudiced. I suggest "looking for
> > SO".
> >
> SO == Sexual Opposite, right?

Nope. "Significant Other".


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Adam McKenna

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May 14, 2002, 7:10:10 PM5/14/02
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On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 06:16:20PM +0000, Wilmer van der Gaast wrote:
> Moshe Za...@lists.debian-devel@14 May 2002 10:31:26 -0000:
> > Considering we have a number of female developers and some gay developers,
> > I think "looking for a GF" is very prejudiced. I suggest "looking for
> > SO".
> >
> SO == Sexual Opposite, right?

SO == "Significant Other".

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Joseph Carter

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May 14, 2002, 7:10:10 PM5/14/02
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On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 06:16:20PM +0000, Wilmer van der Gaast wrote:
> Moshe Za...@lists.debian-devel@14 May 2002 10:31:26 -0000:
> > Considering we have a number of female developers and some gay developers,
> > I think "looking for a GF" is very prejudiced. I suggest "looking for
> > SO".
> >
> SO == Sexual Opposite, right?
>
> Hmm, still not gay-friendly I guess.

Significant other...

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May 14, 2002, 7:20:09 PM5/14/02
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* Wilmer van der Gaast (lin...@bigfoot.com) wrote :

> Moshe Za...@lists.debian-devel@14 May 2002 10:31:26 -0000:
> > Considering we have a number of female developers and some gay developers,
> > I think "looking for a GF" is very prejudiced. I suggest "looking for
> > SO".
> >
> SO == Sexual Opposite, right?
>

SO == Significant Other
So fine for all and any combinations, I think.
Anyhow, reply to set to curiosa.
Cheers,
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On Tue, 14 May 2002, Daniel Silverstone wrote:

> Unless you have a dropdown for "wants a man" "wants a woman" "wants
> noone" "wants a dog" or whatever

That's prejudiced against goat lovers.

Richard Braakman

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On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 01:32:49PM -0700, John H. Robinson, IV wrote:
> Significant Other (but you knew that) or, even more appropriate and less
> ambiguous, and less well-known, MOTAS.
>
> Member of the Appropriate Sex.

Sheesh, such rampant antiandrogynism.

Richard Braakman

Wilmer van der Gaast

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May 15, 2002, 5:40:12 AM5/15/02
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Scott Hen...@lists.debian-devel@14 May 2002 16:25:25 -0400:

> > So, where's this checkbox? Couldn't find it yet..
> Doesnt exist, its just an idea(joke perhaps?).
>
Hmm... Does the fact that I didn't know what SO means make me look sooo
stupid that you thought I didn't know that? ;-)

Thanks guys, I'll never forget what it means now. And maybe the lists
should be a bit faster so people won't be wasting time answering an
answered question..

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On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 01:29:44AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> 'not ready for tasks and skills'. Oh well ;-)

Or, 'no time to provide T&S stuff atm' :)

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Wilmer van der Gaast <lin...@bigfoot.com> writes:

> SO == Sexual Opposite, right?
>
> Hmm, still not gay-friendly I guess.

$ dict so

[...]

From Jargon File (4.3.0, 30 APR 2001) [jargon]:

SO /S-O/ n. 1. (also `S.O.') Abbrev. for Significant Other, almost
invariably written abbreviated and pronounced /S-O/ by hackers. Used to
refer to one's primary relationship, esp. a live-in to whom one is not
married. See {MOTAS}, {MOTOS}, {MOTSS}. 2. [techspeak] The Shift Out
control character in ASCII (Control-N, 0001110).

[...]

That's what you're looking for...

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Dale Scheetz

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On Tue, 14 May 2002, Adam Heath wrote:

> On Tue, 14 May 2002, Daniel Silverstone wrote:
>
> > Unless you have a dropdown for "wants a man" "wants a woman" "wants
> > noone" "wants a dog" or whatever
>
> That's prejudiced against goat lovers.

Sounds like "whatever" to me ;-)

Luck with whatever,

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Carlos Laviola

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On Mon, May 13, 2002 at 03:51:26PM -0300, Gustavo Noronha Silva wrote:
> Em Sun, 12 May 2002 03:18:51 -0300, Carlos Laviola <clav...@debian.org>
> escreveu:
>
> > People should just stop being so arrogant. This is Bruce Perens and he
>
> I see no one acting that arrongantly here... and btw, it doesn't really
> matter if it is Bruce Perens or God posting... RMS himself was put on
> hold on our NM queue and that is the way the whole thing should be...

I fail to see the relation between Bruce (was big in Debian) and RMS
(was never in Debian) and God (never seen anywhere, IIRC). What I meant
by saying "this is Bruce Perens" was that he is clueful enough to know
what he should and what he should not post, most of the times.

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martin f krafft

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also sprach Carlos Laviola <clav...@debian.org> [2002.05.17.1719 +0200]:

> I fail to see the relation between Bruce (was big in Debian) and RMS
> (was never in Debian) and God (never seen anywhere, IIRC). What I meant
> by saying "this is Bruce Perens" was that he is clueful enough to know
> what he should and what he should not post, most of the times.

this is Bruce Perens, he surely has had a lot of influence in Debian
and other projects, he surely is a well-known figure and he surely has
got a name. That does *not* mean that he always knows what is
appropriate and what not. i ain't bitching and there's no need to
apologize, but i absolutely think that his original post was not at
all appropriate. first, it's relevance to debian is 0, and second,
just because RMS has a name doesn't mean that everybody using GNU has
to be interested in his private life.

it is, however, amazing what little it takes to get Debian people off
what they should be doing and onto ridiculously stupid discussions.
i am almost sure that the big Bruce Perens did this on purpose as
a proof of concept. could you all just stop worrying about it and get
back to debian? it happens too often, threads about spam, RMS'
girlfriend, whatever, which tend to fill more then 50% of the volume
of this DEBIAN mailing list.

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Josip Rodin

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On Fri, May 17, 2002 at 05:45:52PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote:
> it is, however, amazing what little it takes to get Debian people off
> what they should be doing and onto ridiculously stupid discussions.

What makes you think we were on what we should be doing, and not here just
for the ridiculously stupid discussions? ;>

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Federico Di Gregorio

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Il ven, 2002-05-17 alle 17:45, martin f krafft ha scritto:

> it is, however, amazing what little it takes to get Debian people off
> what they should be doing and onto ridiculously stupid discussions.
> i am almost sure that the big Bruce Perens did this on purpose as
> a proof of concept. could you all just stop worrying about it and get
> back to debian? it happens too often, threads about spam, RMS'
> girlfriend, whatever, which tend to fill more then 50% of the volume
> of this DEBIAN mailing list

maybe we like it that way. /me loads his rifle and shoot down a duck. :)

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Chad Walstrom

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On Fri, May 17, 2002 at 05:53:02PM +0200, Federico Di Gregorio wrote:
> maybe we like it that way. /me loads his rifle and shoot down a duck. :)

You must be one hell of a shot! I usually use a shotgun. ;-)

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martin f krafft

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also sprach Federico Di Gregorio <f...@initd.org> [2002.05.17.1753 +0200]:

> > it is, however, amazing what little it takes to get Debian people off
> > what they should be doing and onto ridiculously stupid discussions.
> > i am almost sure that the big Bruce Perens did this on purpose as
> > a proof of concept. could you all just stop worrying about it and get
> > back to debian? it happens too often, threads about spam, RMS'
> > girlfriend, whatever, which tend to fill more then 50% of the volume
> > of this DEBIAN mailing list
>
> maybe we like it that way. /me loads his rifle and shoot down a duck. :)

nobody kills this duck.

what i said was not particular to debian btw.
it seems that most every group of geeks has this tendency...

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Ben Armstrong

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On Fri, May 17, 2002 at 05:52:01PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote:
> On Fri, May 17, 2002 at 05:45:52PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote:
> > it is, however, amazing what little it takes to get Debian people off
> > what they should be doing and onto ridiculously stupid discussions.
>
> What makes you think we were on what we should be doing, and not here just
> for the ridiculously stupid discussions? ;>

Amen to that! There's stress aplenty these days. Please don't deprive
us of our indulgence in pointless threads. It is precious relief.

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Ben Armstrong

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On Fri, May 17, 2002 at 06:00:30PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote:
> what i said was not particular to debian btw.
> it seems that most every group of geeks has this tendency...

Don't mess with nature, then. :)

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Scott Dier

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* Chad Walstrom <che...@wookimus.net> [020517 11:01]:

> On Fri, May 17, 2002 at 05:53:02PM +0200, Federico Di Gregorio wrote:
> > maybe we like it that way. /me loads his rifle and shoot down a duck. :)
> You must be one hell of a shot! I usually use a shotgun. ;-)

Rocket launcher might be cool. :)

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KELEMEN Peter

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* Bruce Perens (br...@perens.com) [20020511 03:10]:

> I met RMS' girlfriend today. [...] She is also tall, thin,
> young, and drop-dead gorgeous. I am not kidding.

Hell, yeah. Sounds like journaling filesystem (or any other)
benchmarks. Please define `drop-dead grogeous' and testing
environment... :-@

Peter

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Ulrich Eckhardt

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On Friday 17 May 2002 18:00, martin f krafft wrote:
> also sprach Federico Di Gregorio <f...@initd.org> [2002.05.17.1753 +0200]:
> > > girlfriend, whatever, which tend to fill more then 50% of the volume
> > > of this DEBIAN mailing list
> >
> > maybe we like it that way. /me loads his rifle and shoot down a duck. :)
>
> nobody kills this duck.
>
> what i said was not particular to debian btw.
> it seems that most every group of geeks has this tendency...

lack of social life and an envy for one who seems to have one ....

<aol> me too, preferably readhead </aol>

uli

John H. Robinson, IV

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On Fri, May 17, 2002 at 06:00:30PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote:
>
> what i said was not particular to debian btw.
> it seems that most every group of geeks has this tendency...

it's not just geeks. it's humans in general.

talking about the little things is what gives us a connection to each
other. that ``shared experience'' that is so important in bonding.

certainly there is a time for ``work'' and a time for ``play'' and if
the ``play'' bothers you at ``work'' time, well, there is always ^D

-john

Jeroen Dekkers

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On Fri, May 17, 2002 at 12:19:19PM -0300, Carlos Laviola wrote:
> On Mon, May 13, 2002 at 03:51:26PM -0300, Gustavo Noronha Silva wrote:
> > Em Sun, 12 May 2002 03:18:51 -0300, Carlos Laviola <clav...@debian.org>
> > escreveu:
> >
> > > People should just stop being so arrogant. This is Bruce Perens and he
> >
> > I see no one acting that arrongantly here... and btw, it doesn't really
> > matter if it is Bruce Perens or God posting... RMS himself was put on
> > hold on our NM queue and that is the way the whole thing should be...
>
> I fail to see the relation between Bruce (was big in Debian) and RMS
> (was never in Debian) and God (never seen anywhere, IIRC). What I meant
> by saying "this is Bruce Perens" was that he is clueful enough to know
> what he should and what he should not post, most of the times.

I think the relation between God is really inrelevant and I don't
want to get in a religion war (those big airplanes hurt :P). FYI: I
don't know about Bruce, but Richard "Impeach God" Stallman is an
atheist.

You should know the relation between Bruce and RMS. They are both
leaders of the Free Software movement (and not of the Open Source
movement, as Bruce has seen that it failed and doesn't support it
anymore). They share at least some of the same ideals.

The relation between them and Debian is pretty clear too. Without
Bruce, Debian wouldn't be as it is today. Without RMS, I doubt Debian
would exist at all.

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Wouter Verhelst

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On Fri, 17 May 2002, martin f krafft wrote:
> what i said was not particular to debian btw.
> it seems that most every group of geeks has this tendency...

Correction: it's normal to every group of people. You know? We're
humans. Not systems programmed to do what we're supposed to do.

I still need to see the first mailinglist -or newsgroup, for that matter-
that has *never* had an off-topic post. Even from well-known people on
that list or group.

Bitching about that fact isn't gonna get it away. In fact, that's
off-topic too...

Unless the list is called 'debian-bitch...@lists.debian.org',
that is. But I guess it isn't. Right?

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Steve Kowalik

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At 1:11 pm, Saturday, May 18 2002, Wouter Verhelst mumbled:

> Unless the list is called 'debian-bitch...@lists.debian.org',
> that is. But I guess it isn't. Right?
>
This one, no.
debian-curiosa exists for a reason, though. :-)

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Manoj Srivastava

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>>"martin" == martin f krafft <mad...@madduck.net> writes:

martin> it is, however, amazing what little it takes to get Debian
martin> people off what they should be doing and onto ridiculously
martin> stupid discussions.

What I am supposed to be doing? Unless you pay my paycheck,
you do not have a say in that; I am supposed to be doing whatever
pleases my muse. And if discussions on the mailing list is what
pleases my muse at the moment, that is what I'll be doing.

manoj
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On Fri, 2002-05-17 at 11:53, Federico Di Gregorio wrote:

> maybe we like it that way. /me loads his rifle and shoot down a duck. :)

/me dares you to do that with a longbow.

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