Fwd: Urge Yahoo! to clean up its site
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> are targeting gay
> male pornography with a special fire. I cannot tell
> you how many gay
> men's clubs they've closed in the last few months.
>
> > C o n c e r n e d W o m e n f o r A m e r i
> c a
> > the nation's largest public policy women's
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> >
> > Tuesday, August 28, 2001
> >
> >
> > Dear Friend and Yahoo! member,
> >
> > Yahoo! hosts web sites for clubs devoted to
> kidnapping, rape
> > and torture, and for pedophiles to solicit sex
> with children
> > and trade child pornography. Recently, Yahoo!
> shut down one
> > club tied directly to the brutal kidnapping and
> rape of a 15
> > year old girl, but is allowing others to continue.
> >
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> > Terry Semel, CEO
> > Yahoo, Inc.
> > Santa Clara, CA 95051
> > 408-731-3300
> > 408-731-3510 Fax
> >
> >
> > 2. Contact the Department of Justice
> >
> > Ask the DOJ to investigate Yahoo! and pornographic
> Internet clubs.
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> > http://legislation.cwfa.org/e/decency_DOJ
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Chief Thracian
<ludej...@yahoo.com> wrote:
<<
And they "accidentally" forgot to mention that they are targeting gay
male pornography with a special fire. I cannot tell you how many gay
men's clubs they've closed in the last few months.
>>
Let us not forget that surely, Yahoo defines more gay sites as
"pornographic", by virtue of even being out of the closet...regardless
of whether said sites are actually social, political, or spiritual
(without one drop of any real pornography therein).
All it takes to shut down a gay site, is complain to the host. They
rarely bother to look into the matter, when the issue is
"gay"...they'll just wipe it out immediately. So the complainer can
make any accusation s/he wants, no matter how false, and the gay sites
get shut down.
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This is message #129.
Wolf : Big Bad, The
> "pornographic", by virtue of even being out of the closet...regardless
> of whether said sites are actually social, political, or spiritual
> (without one drop of any real pornography therein).
I found this out first hand. I run a list on Yahoogroups called Edge of Twilight,
which is stipulated as a spiritual forum for GLBT persons and our SOFFA's. When
Yahoo did it's big "zero tolerance" swipe on the word "sex", EOT got wiped out
because it mentions bisexual and transsexual. I appealed their excision and was told
that my group would be searchable again...only it's still not. Or it is and then
unexpectedly goes into "stealth" mode again. The group took on 50 members in it's
first year of growth and was growing nicely. Now we've had one new member in the
last several months and that was someone I had to directly subscribe because he was
a friend of mine. The group is effectively dead - posts are down (due to no new
blood, all those of us on the list are now too familiar with each other) and it's a
darn shame because we were doing really good work there for awhile.
> All it takes to shut down a gay site, is complain to the host. They
> rarely bother to look into the matter, when the issue is
> "gay"...they'll just wipe it out immediately. So the complainer can
> make any accusation s/he wants, no matter how false, and the gay sites
> get shut down.
This goes as well for any groups dealing with "transgressive" gender and sexual
identities too. I heard through a friend that yahoo recently shut down a cross
dressers group for no real reason except that someone had complained about it. I've
gotten a couple of "impending closure" notices on a couple of groups I moderate and
had one group - a forum for GLBT artists - closed down with no warning whatsoever.
*sigh*
The weird part is that I mod a GLBT RPG and have been on GLBT/Slashfic RPG's that
get as explicit as anything I've seen on other groups and they seem to be having no
problems. I guess they'll get around to harvesting those off the service later. So
far all the complaining I've done has only merited me one brief "sorry, policy is
policy" response from Yahoo. I wish to high heaven gay.com or somewhere would get
into the email groups biz. It's getting ugly out here...
Kai
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This is message #131.
Chief Thracian
<fao...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>I found this out first hand. I run a list on Yahoogroups called Edge of Twilight,
>which is stipulated as a spiritual forum for GLBT persons and our SOFFA's. When
>Yahoo did it's big "zero tolerance" swipe on the word "sex", EOT got wiped out
>because it mentions bisexual and transsexual.
I would think that "homosexual" would be the biggest bogeyman to them,
and next would be bisexual and trans. I mean, I doubt that you are
claiming that a word like "homosexual" was permitted, but "bisexual"
and "transexual" were not. It is too easy for everyone and anyone to
blame GAY people these days, for every problem, both big and small.
So let us hope that both trannies and bi's do not join the masses, and
likewise attempt to tear apart and demolish our gay communities,
neighborhoods and enclaves.
For the heart of the issue is two people of the same gender, loving
each other. And that is why trannies and bi's get bashed, too...for it
is this "gay" identity that is so abhorrent to the masses. So we need
to focus on the real issue: same-sex love, if the rest of us under the
Queer Umbrella seek liberation. Don't let our present racism,
genderism, etc. tear us apart at this crucial time. Accept our bad
apples, in order to focus on uniting for a war on a global
scale...which war will be triggered by the homosexual issue.
>The group is effectively dead - posts are down (due to no new
>blood, all those of us on the list are now too familiar with each other) and it's a
>darn shame because we were doing really good work there for awhile.
Yep, that's how they do it: you gut out the heart of a group (like an
Aztec warrior), knowing full well they'll never really recover. Then
it's onto the next pillage of gay sanctuaries...while all at the same
time denouncing gay people for acts of "spiritual violence". We are
dealing here, with true barbarians.
>This goes as well for any groups dealing with "transgressive" gender and sexual
>identities too.
Of course it does. When I say "gay" I mean the entire umbrella of
sexual minorities.
>I heard through a friend that yahoo recently shut down a cross
>dressers group for no real reason except that someone had complained about it. I've
>gotten a couple of "impending closure" notices on a couple of groups I moderate and
>had one group - a forum for GLBT artists - closed down with no warning whatsoever.
There is little hope in all this...for we are witnessing the first
barrage of missiles on our Family. Believe me, this is but the enemy's
first salvo, and is rather weak compared to what is soon to come:
Total censorship of any and all gay-related pages, newsgroups, chat
rooms, and message boards.
Once that solution has been accomplished--a la new Internet
pornography laws which are really designed to target gay folk--get
ready for their "Final Solution": complete separation of gays from the
hetero mainstream. Our bodies will be used for elaborate experiments
on genetic cloning and DNA manipulation. Those will number among the
"lucky elite" who actually get to live a few years. The remainder
shall have their body parts recycled to prolong the lives of wealthy
heteros...or be a source of popular entertainment: TV shows where
we're hunted down, and the winner is he or she who comes home with the
most penises.
There will literally be staged events where gays get bashed to a
bloody pulp, while the audience guffaws wildly, through it all...like
the Roman Coliseum of old ("bread and circuses").
So I'd say these are the last days of GayNet's mailing list, for they
are surely at the top of the list of enemy targets on the Internet.
For the more empowering and public any group is for gays, the more
likely it will be wiped out ASAP.
So I bid everyone "adieu" at this time...just in case we get shut down
shortly after my message. But if GayNet survives a while longer, well
that's just frosting on the cake. Maybe we can even thrive through
some sort of "underground" arrangement; I hope.
---
Hail Athenia, brave new gay nation!
Zeke Krahlin, Chief Thracian
http://surf.to/gaybible
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This is message #139.
Roger B.A. Klorese
> So I'd say these are the last days of GayNet's mailing list, for they
> are surely at the top of the list of enemy targets on the Internet.
You flatter yourself. Nobody even knows or cares that this list exists.
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Chief Thracian
<rog...@QueerNet.ORG> wrote:
>You flatter yourself. Nobody even knows or cares that this list exists.
I look forward to quoting your famous last words, in the appendix to
"The Final Testament". Which book I am wrapping up, and is due to
appear by Xmas holidays...with the image of a werewolf winking back at
you, on the cover.
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Zeke Krahlin, Chief Thracian
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This is message #148.
Chief Thracian
<rog...@QueerNet.ORG> wrote:
>On Wed, 29 Aug 2001, Chief Thracian wrote:
>> So I'd say these are the last days of GayNet's mailing list, for they
>> are surely at the top of the list of enemy targets on the Internet.
>
>You flatter yourself. Nobody even knows or cares that this list exists.
Since gaynet is listed as a usenet newgroup as "bit.listserv.gay", it
is an obvious choice for an initial list of gay online groups. Do a
search for "gay" in a complete list of usenet newsgroups, and you'll
find then all in a few seconds, including GayNet. Then do a second run
for "homo", and a third for "lesbian". And by now, they know all about
"motss".
I have NO DOUBT that GayNet is well within their target range, and is
likely to go under in a short time...along with all other Usenet gay
groups.
And I am not flattering myself: only making a logical judgment. I know
of other gay mailing lists that will NOT be the first under
attack...because they are not an official newsgroup. I am only saying
that because Gaynet is part of Usenet, it is an obvious target. "Here
we are: homosexuals".
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Hail Athenia, brave new gay nation!
Zeke Krahlin, Chief Thracian
http://surf.to/gaybible
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This is message #153.
Roger B.A. Klorese
> I have NO DOUBT that GayNet is well within their target range, and is
> likely to go under in a short time...along with all other Usenet gay
> groups.
But "they" can't do anything to make newsgroups go away, only to make
them go away at specific sites. And who cares if AOL or Yahoo carry them?
You can just start your own Usenet site and screw 'em.
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PO Box 14309 San Francisco, CA 94114
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This is message #154.
Bob Russell
being distributed to this list. Have you considered talking to Roger
about moving your lists to queernet?
Bob Russell
On Wed, 29 Aug 2001, Wolf : Big Bad, The wrote:
> > Let us not forget that surely, Yahoo defines more gay sites as
> > "pornographic", by virtue of even being out of the closet...regardless
> > of whether said sites are actually social, political, or spiritual
> > (without one drop of any real pornography therein).
>
> I found this out first hand. I run a list on Yahoogroups called Edge of
> Twilight, which is stipulated as a spiritual forum for GLBT persons and
> our SOFFA's. When Yahoo did it's big "zero tolerance" swipe on the word
> "sex", EOT got wiped out because it mentions bisexual and transsexual. I
> appealed their excision and was told that my group would be searchable
> again...only it's still not. Or it is and then unexpectedly goes into
> "stealth" mode again. The group took on 50 members in it's first year of
> growth and was growing nicely. Now we've had one new member in the last
> several months and that was someone I had to directly subscribe because
> he was a friend of mine. The group is effectively dead - posts are down
> (due to no new blood, all those of us on the list are now too familiar
> with each other) and it's a darn shame because we were doing really good
> work there for awhile.
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This is message #156.
Chief Thracian
<rog...@QueerNet.ORG> wrote:
>But "they" can't do anything to make newsgroups go away, only to make
>them go away at specific sites. And who cares if AOL or Yahoo carry them?
AOL and Yahoo are the biggest portals for the majority of PC users to
get on the Internet. Take away just AOL, and you're screwed. Most
Internet users rely totally on AOL for all the information on the
Internet.
The Religious Reich also has the manpower to constantly watch over the
Internet, for any gay-relevant material that may crop up. They can
afford to hire the best hackers in the world, who could design very
sophisticated anti-gay programs that root out and purge anything gay.
And believe me, not only are some hackers ready to sell their souls
(the latest crop have a lot of Libertarians); they are quite
homophobic.
>You can just start your own Usenet site and screw 'em.
Well, good luck with keeping the new site up w/o being discovered.
You'd have to do this over and over again...resulting in a drastic
loss of participants, and finally your list just dies. At best, you
might be able to maintain a local BBS, with perhaps an echomail
service allowing some sort of global network. But the Jesus freaks
will be right on your tail, sabotaging even that!
Don't think for a moment that Usenet (along with the rest of the
Internet), has not been infiltrated thoroughly with Jesus Freaks, by
now. For us to win this oncoming war, will require extraordinary
revelations and events...and this too, shall come to pass.
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Hail Athenia, brave new gay nation!
Zeke Krahlin, Chief Thracian
http://surf.to/gaybible
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Chief Thracian
<rs...@rsr3ws02.comp.pge.com> wrote:
>Have you considered talking to Roger
>about moving your lists to queernet?
I can think of MANY excellent reasons for supporting QueerNet, even
without any current pressing matters. If we really care about our
survival into a new and better world, we need to aggressively support
and reward all such clearly pro-LGBT organizations.
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Hail Athenia, brave new gay nation!
Zeke Krahlin, Chief Thracian
http://surf.to/gaybible
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This is message #174.
Roger B.A. Klorese
> get on the Internet. Take away just AOL, and you're screwed.
But all they can do is keep people from accessing newgroups ON AOL. They
can't do a damn thing to keep them from accessing other news servers.
> Well, good luck with keeping the new site up w/o being discovered.
But the discovery of it can't do anything to stop it.
You really don't know much about how the technology works...
> You'd have to do this over and over again...resulting in a drastic
> loss of participants, and finally your list just dies.
Lists != newsgroups.
> At best, you
> might be able to maintain a local BBS, with perhaps an echomail
> service allowing some sort of global network. But the Jesus freaks
> will be right on your tail, sabotaging even that!
Um, no, they won't and can't.
> Don't think for a moment that Usenet (along with the rest of the
> Internet), has not been infiltrated thoroughly with Jesus Freaks, by
> now.
"Infiltrated"? They have as much right to be on it as you or I. Taken
over? Technically impossible.
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PO Box 14309 San Francisco, CA 94114
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Sean Robertson
> can't do a damn thing to keep them from accessing other news servers.
Actually, that's not 100% true. Through the use of filtering software
similar to NetNany, CyberPatrol, SurfWatch and others, they can restrict
content from outside sources. In fact, that's exactly what AOL's parental
controls do. As with all such filtering software, they don't do it well,
but that's the general idea.
> > >You can just start your own Usenet site and screw 'em.
> > Well, good luck with keeping the new site up w/o being discovered.
> > You'd have to do this over and over again...resulting in a drastic
> > loss of participants, and finally your list just dies.
> > might be able to maintain a local BBS, with perhaps an echomail
> > service allowing some sort of global network. But the Jesus freaks
> > will be right on your tail, sabotaging even that!
>
> But the discovery of it can't do anything to stop it.
> You really don't know much about how the technology works...
> Um, no, they won't and can't.
Pretty much anyone can start a new newsgroup in the alt.* listing, though
your ISP has to have the server set up to allow users to send control
messages. That can be selectively blobked by administrators of other usenet
servers, however, even then, they're only blobking it on their specific
server, the rest of the world still has access to it.
Also, it is possible to set up a completely new newsgroup server. Companies
do that fairly frequently so they can provide their customers with a set of
newsgroups dedicated to their products and services. Those servers usually
don't pull in any groups from outside, avoiding the incredible disk usage
involved in a regular news server. If you run such a server, no one but
yourself can censor any of the data on it. However, no one will find your
groups, as they won't be listed on other servers, so it's really only
practical if you've already got a site with a large user base.
> > Don't think for a moment that Usenet (along with the rest of the
> > Internet), has not been infiltrated thoroughly with Jesus Freaks, by
> > now.
>
> "Infiltrated"? They have as much right to be on it as you or I. Taken
> over? Technically impossible.
While they certain have a right to use it for discussing whatever pleases
them, they do not have the right to prevent us from doing the same. In many
ways, however, that is exactly what they're doing.
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This is message #177.
Roger B.A. Klorese
> Actually, that's not 100% true. Through the use of filtering software
> similar to NetNany, CyberPatrol, SurfWatch and others, they can restrict
> content from outside sources. In fact, that's exactly what AOL's parental
> controls do. As with all such filtering software, they don't do it well,
> but that's the general idea.
Yes, but while that's technically possible, they agree not to block on 18+
subscriptions.
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PO Box 14309 San Francisco, CA 94114
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This is message #178.
Chief Thracian
<webolu...@webolutionary.com> wrote:
>While they certain have a right to use it for discussing whatever pleases
>them, they do not have the right to prevent us from doing the same. In many
>ways, however, that is exactly what they're doing.
Thank you, Sean, for backing me up here. Mr. Klorese seems to think
I'm dimwitted regarding Internet technical issues. You have just set
him "straight" so to speak.
As for my predictions of gay censorship across the Internet: well,
it's only logical deduction from my own standpoint. If that's
precognition, so be it. But its inevitable passage will make many here
realize that I have valuable knowledge that can greatly benefit the
gay rights movement. After all, if what I am predicting comes true in
such accurate ways, then I must have something really valid going on.
I consider it a Gift...for the Queer Community...through my hands. So
for me, it's a tremendous honor as well, sometimes frightening. But
most of all: PRIDEFUL.
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Hail Athenia, brave new gay nation!
Zeke Krahlin, Chief Thracian
http://surf.to/gaybible
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This is message #197.
Roger B.A. Klorese
> >While they certain have a right to use it for discussing whatever pleases
> >them, they do not have the right to prevent us from doing the same. In many
> >ways, however, that is exactly what they're doing.
>
> Thank you, Sean, for backing me up here. Mr. Klorese seems to think
> I'm dimwitted regarding Internet technical issues. You have just set
> him "straight" so to speak.
The point is that censorship *cannot* exist across the Internet as long as
people care about it. It can exist *at* providers, but it is pretty
trivial for the services one gets through those providers to be obtained
without going to the Big Guys.
The only threat is from people who think a little convenience is more
important than their rights when selecting a provider.
And, well, they deserve what they get.
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PO Box 14309 San Francisco, CA 94114
"Go without hate. But not without rage. Heal the world." -- Paul Monette
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This is message #198.
Chief Thracian
<rog...@QueerNet.ORG> wrote:
>The only threat is from people who think a little
>convenience is more important than their rights
>when selecting a provider.
And that kind of thinking frightens me, Roger. Why should ISP's be the
ultimate arbiter of how fascist or democratic we become? Whatever
happened to the Bill of Rights, so designed to protect minorities from
the tyranny of the majority?
Your philosophy here, smacks of New-Age-Libertarian Mores: "If you
don't get with the program NOW, then tough luck if you slip up later!"
You talk as if we can each create our own little enclave of "land of
the free"...so those subscribed to politically-aware ISP's enjoy
democracy, while those not, are condemned to cruel dictatorship.
So is this what the democratic ideals of Amerika mean to you, Klorese?
That it should be an arena for thugs to hammer out their various
Nazi/fascist/supremacist/reactionary plans...and if your average
citizen Joe gets caught in the crossfire: tough nookies? And to censor
such brutality, would be regarded as attacking freedom of speech?
Furthermore, your average citizen does not realize that by accepting
convenience, s/he also accepts censorship. So to blame them for such
"choices" is a form of elite snobbery.
I also tell you: You don't necesarily get better security, for a
higher price. Nor does a "quality" ISP guarantee your privacy. Not
when it comes to being gay, dear. To claim that certain ISPs of a
superior quality will ensure your civil freedoms, is again a form of
elite snobbery.
Since when should subscribing to an ISP determine what level of
democracy we'll enjoy? Isn't this a way of further segregating the
very rich from the poor? The Internet is becoming a tiered network,
based on your level of affluence. And the mass mindset is definitely
all for eliminating any form of faggotry on their divine network of
hetero gods and goddesses.
So the wealthy queers denigrate and bash the poor queers...along with
the rest of society. Ho-hum. Tell me something I don't already know.
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Hail Athenia, brave new gay nation!
Zeke Krahlin, Chief Thracian
http://surf.to/gaybible
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This is message #203.
Sean Robertson
> important than their rights when selecting a provider.
There are a HELL of a lot of those people around, perhaps far outnumbering
us sane folks. ;-) Just look at how many Republicans get elected on Law And
Order platforms. People are perfectly willing to see their rights tossed
into the wind in exchange for a little more security, even though there may
be other far less invasive way to accomplish the same thing. A prime
example is occuring right here in Virginia Beach, VA. Quite a debate has
erupted here over whether or not to install the same facial recongnition
software and cameras in use in Tampa and the UK. That fact that it is even
being considered is an outrage to me. Could we possibly get any closer than
that to realising George Orwell's nightmarish vision of 1984???
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Chief Thracian
<webolu...@webolutionary.com> wrote:
>Could we possibly get any closer than that to realising
>George Orwell's nightmarish vision of 1984???
Yes we can...by making an example of gay people, in order to terrorize
everyone else into submission.
Hunt 'em down and humiliate and torture (then kill) queers on popular
TV shows. Then the audience will get the hint: Don't do what Big
Brother says, and you'll wind up as a "faggot" on TV, too!
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Hail Athenia, brave new gay nation!
Zeke Krahlin, Chief Thracian
http://surf.to/gaybible
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