Tolerance...
Nicole Dawn Maschke
--
Greetings....
- I love how the christians are truly stupid...
I mean... here we have behavior that is different from what many understand,
or like. Now the mature mind would understand that all humans deserve the
right to live their life the way that they want, without others trying to
force them to change, for whatever reason. I mean if someone tried to make
the christians change... they would scream bloody murder.
But when the christians, the assholes that they are, are gtiven the
opportunity to show tolerance, and to "love thy neighbor as thyself"... What
do they do?
They tell lies about gays... They castigate them, they hate them... they try
and force conversion on them... And they do this while the leader of their
faith was consorting witha whore...
So these christians are saying that it's okay for jesus to have slept with a
whore... but because their small and stupid little minds are being told what
to think and how to live... (only because they are too stupid to figure it
out for themselves...) they then turn around and show no tolerance,
kindness.. or respect for any life that does not meet their particular
standards...
And these christians will call this being kindly and godly... Yeah...
Sure... god is some homophobic psychotic who hates anyone who does not
follow the christians whohave decreed that women are to be subserviant to
men... give me a break... lmao...
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Thursday August 6
Homosexuality may top agenda of next synod -
By Dan McGinn.
HOMOSEXUALITY could be on the agenda of the next Church of Ireland Synod.
The revelation came today from a spokeswoman for Archbishop Robin Eames, who
chaired the debate at the Lambeth conference.
Reminding Anglicans that the motion passed yesterday at the conference was
"not a directive," the spokeswoman expected further debate in the various
branches of the church around the world.
"The member churches of the Anglican Communion will continue to debate the
issue.
"The same thing happened after the debate on the ordination of women at the
last Lambeth conference. Debate will continue and it is conceivable that it
will come up for discussion within the Church of Ireland." Anglican bishops
voted overwhelmingly in favour of a motion which claimed homosexuality is
"incompatible with Scripture".
The conference of bishops opposed the blessing and ordination of Anglican
gays and lesbians and also urged sexual abstinence before marriage.
In what was seen as a resounding blow against the liberal wing of the
Church, the bishops adopted a more hardline resolution than was proposed by
526 votes to 70, with 45 abstentions.
Archbishop Eames limited speeches to just three minutes and urged
participants not to applaud when the vote was announced.
One Irish bishop, Archbishop Neill of Cashel spoke during the debate in
support of the more hardline stance.
The spokeswoman for Archbishop Eames said he was anxious to ensure there was
"no triumphalism after the vote".
"He was very anxious to ensure the bishops were aware there were no winners
or losers in this debate and the conference appreciated the way he handled a
very sensitive issue.
Remember.....
The christians in the United States have never allowed a Black,
Hispanic, Jew, Muslim, American Indian, Asian, Woman or Gay to
serve as the President of the United States. The christians have
only allowed WHITE CHRISTIAN MALES to serve as President.
That's the Christian brand of freedom....
Freedom of religion in the United States means having a male
white christian president, christian laws, christian holidays,
christian judges, christian ethics, christian television,
christian calendars, christian morals, christian values and
christian lives forced on the entire population, regardless of
their religion ... Christians have killed, in the name of jesus,
Pagans, Jews and American Indians for refusing to convert to
their faith. Christians have bought and sold Blacks as property,
in the name of jesus, and raped the black women, and sold their
children, in the name of jesus. Christians have burned alive,
men, women and children in Salem, Massachusetts, in the name of
jesus. Now the christians are telling lies about gays and trying
to take away gay people's rights, as free American Citizens in
the United States. And when these christians are done with us
... they will come after YOU...
"Give me Liberty of Give Me Death!"
Patrick Henry
Be Safe ...
Nicole (dawn) Maschke
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your bloodline will perpetuate on this planet.
Nicole Dawn Maschke wrote in message
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byoung
>
> I get it Dawn, you are a lesbian. Thats great because no more idiots from
> your bloodline will perpetuate on this planet.
Lesbians can't get pregnant?
Michael Beck
wrote:
Of course they can. I think it results from being an actress in
hollywood......
Mark E. Warner
byoung
Nicole Dawn Maschke
--
Greetings...
- Where most of christianity and the republicans, are unable to show any
tolerance... or kindness... It is refreshing to see this....
In snub to Congress, San Francisco expands domestic partner benefits
ASSOCIATED PRESS
SAN FRANCISCO, Aug. 10 —San Francisco politicians passed an ordinance that
strengthens the rights of gay and lesbian couples despite a congressional
backlash that could cost the city millions of dollars. The ordinance —
passed without a hint of objection — will make San Francisco the nation’s
only city that demands private businesses offer domestic partners the same
customer discounts they extend to married couples. Mayor Willie Brown says
he will sign it.
Less than two weeks ago, the House voted 214-212 to block the city from
receiving federal housing money because of its year-old Equal Benefits
Ordinance.
MOST CITY BUSINESSES that might be subject to the law, such as
gyms, car rental companies and insurance agencies, already comply. Still,
supervisors were determined for the city to set a standard for human rights.
Monday’s vote comes despite what gay rights advocates are calling an
anti-gay campaign in Washington.
Less than two weeks ago, the House voted 214-212 to block the city
from receiving federal housing money because of its year-old Equal Benefits
Ordinance, which requires businesses with city contracts to extend health
benefits to its workers’ partners. The measure, which still has to be
approved by the Senate, could cost San Francisco up to $260 million.
“We should not force or coerce (businesses) to adopt policies they
find morally objectionable,” said Rep. Frank Riggs, a Republican with a
mostly rural constituency in Northern California.
Democrats attacked Riggs’ proposal as mean-spirited and bigoted. “I
don’t know why Mr. Riggs wants to create a war,” said Rep. Nancy Pelosi, who
represents San Francisco.
Despite the Riggs measure, Monday’s expansion of the domestic partner
benefits law caused hardly a flutter in the city. It has faced little
opposition from business owners. Supervisor Mark Leno, who introduced the
measure in June, could not name a company in the city that would have to
change its ways.
“It makes good business sense,” he said. “It gives business an
additional marketing tool and could help them compete with other
businesses.”
At 24 Hour Fitness near downtown, where domestic partners already
fall under the club’s “household membership” category, John Pelletier, got a
50 percent discount two weeks ago because he shares a household with his
partner, club member Donald Leighton.
Laura Gilleran, 23, said she and her live-in girlfriend, T.C. Myers,
are more excited by the symbolism of the ordinance than by any discounts.
“It’s important, since (gay) marriage is not legal,” Gilleran said.
“It’s important to do what it takes until it becomes such.”
Remember....
Religion is an anthropologically ethnocentric and primative behavior
whereby culturally immature people push their views on others who are too
culturally backward to figure life out on their own... Religion is for
people who are afraid of hell.... Spirituality is for those who have been
there...
Be Safe...
Nicole Dawn Maschke
P.O. Box 602696, Cleveland, Ohio 44102
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Life is like a book... Close and nothing is learned... Opened and much is
learned... The key to surviving the future is to acquiesce to constant
change... ...
Linda & Mike Shevchuk
facts showing butt-plugging leads to aids, refuse to curtail their
abominable behavior.
Nicole Dawn Maschke wrote in message
BJF
Nicole Dawn Maschke <jmwin...@earthlink.net> wrote in article
<6quv5f$1pt$1...@holly.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...
> --
> Greetings...
>
> - The following are some Facts about the kind and loving
> christians...
>
> The christians losers in our world would like you to think that
> they are kind... Lying about people and killing them are not
> kind. Building a religion on hate, and oppression is not kind...
>
>
Asylums who allow inmates to post on usenet is not kind.. :-)
> FACTS ABOUT CHRISTIANS:
> -----------------------
>
> -1. Pope Innocent I order the killing of Pagans because they
> refused to convert to christianity. (Encarta Ecnyclopedia, A&E
> Television, World Book Encyclopedia)
>
> -2. Pope Innocent IV ordered the killing of all Muslim and Jews
> in the Middle East because he declared that the entire world must
> be purged of any sinner... and non-christian. (Encarta
> Ecnyclopedia, A&E Television, World Book Encyclopedia)
>
> -3. Pope Borjia and his daughter Lucretia personally told lies
> and destroyed the lives of anyone who disagreed with the pope...
> and hundreds of their opponents were poisoned because they would
> not submit to the christian point of view. (Encarta Ecnyclopedia,
> A&E Television, World Book Encyclopedia)
>
> -4. Pope Benedictus ordered the killing of all Jews and
> non-Christians under the Spanish Inquisition because he felt that
> allowing any non-christian to live was a sin. And he also decreed
> that the only people allowed to read and interpret the Bible were
> priests. Most books were censored and not allowed under Pope
> Benedictus... (Encarta Ecnyclopedia, A&E Television, World Book
> Encyclopedia)
>
> -5. The christians destroyed the Inca writing, and language in
> order to conquer them, and to force them to convert to the
> christian faith. The result was the complete destruction of the
> Inca culture, as a result of the fact that the Incas would rather
> be dead than christian...(Encarta Ecnyclopedia, A&E Television,
> World Book Encyclopedia)
>
> -6. The christians destroyed the Mayan culture in order to force
> conversion on them. The result ... the Mayan culture completely
> vanished from the face of the earth. (Encarta Ecnyclopedia, A&E
> Television, World Book Encyclopedia)
>
> -7. The christians attacked and killed the leader of the Aztec
> culture, in order to force the Aztecs to convert to the christian
> faith. The result was the complete destruction of the Aztec
> culture, until recently, when there has been a backlash against
> the christians who stole the Aztec culture int he first place.
> (Encarta Ecnyclopedia, A&E Television, World Book Encyclopedia)
>
> -8. The christians murdered American Indians, stole their
> culture, stole their children and forced them to go to christian
> shools, and deprived them of their Indian heritage and culture,
> all in order to force conversion on them. This practice started
> with Columbus on the island of Hispanola. (Encarta Ecnyclopedia,
> A&E Television, World Book Encyclopedia)
>
> -9. The christians destroyed hundred of African cultures, in
> order to use the Africans as slaves and to treat them as
> property. So hateful and evil were the christians that even if
> the black person was to convert to their faith, the christians
> would still treat the black as property. In the majority of
> cases the christians raped the black women, killed the black men,
> stole their culture, and sold the children at auction as
> property. (Encarta Ecnyclopedia, A&E Television, World Book
> Encyclopedia)
>
> -10. In Salem, Massachusetts the christians, on the word of three
> hysterical girls, hung, and burned men, women and children, for
> being a Pagan... and the christians were known to sing and dance
> as the people died. So many women were hung on one hill that it
> is now called gallows hill. (Encarta Ecnyclopedia, A&E
> Television, World Book Encyclopedia)
>
> -11. Until 1950 the christians would not allow, in the United
> States, for the religion of Paganism to be viewed as a legal
> religion. And then, the christians kept up a ten year fight to
> prevent religious freedom from extending to the Pagan community.
> (Encarta Ecnyclopedia, A&E Television, World Book Encyclopedia)
>
> -12. Every single time that any non-christian has run for the
> office of president, the christian movement has set about telling
> lies, about this person, and doing anything in order to prevent
> the person from being elected. As a result of the christian mob
> tactics, there has never been a president in the US who has not
> been white, male, and christian. (Encarta Ecnyclopedia, A&E
> Television, World Book Encyclopedia)
>
> -13. There has not been one single culture in the world that the
> christians have interacted with, whereby the christians did not
> destroy that 'other' culture. (Encarta Ecnyclopedia, A&E
> Television, World Book Encyclopedia)
>
> -14. The christians now are telling lies about gays. And, while
> religious freedom exists in the United States, religious freedom
> does not exist for the gay population. The christians will not
> allow gays to practice their religion in peace, with respect.
> According to the christian hate, the gays must submit to the
> christian way of life or be classified as NON-American ... and
> NON-citizens. Thus, if there is really religious freedom, then
> why are the gays not allowed to practice their religion freely?
> (NBC News, CBS News, 60 Minutes, CNN News, New York Times)
>
> -15. It was the christians who said, "... women who work, beat
> their children, abuse their husbands, take drugs, worship satan,
> and are bent on self-destruction...". (Pat Robertson, 700 Club)
> Those words are lies. (Channel 43, WUAB, Cleveland, Ohio) And
> Senator Trent Lott said on national television that "... gays
> were mentally ill ...". (NBC, CBS, CNN). This is a direct lie,
> according to the American Medical Association.
>
> -16. It was the christians who declared war on this nation. The
> religious right has said that they are in a war for the soul of
> America. Thus, the christians are then saying that all other
> faiths do not have the same validity, or the level of freedom
> that the christian faith has. So much for the first
> amendment...! (NBC, CBS, CNN News)
>
> -17. in an interview with Mike Wallace in the 1980's on the
> program "60 Minutes" the leader of the American Baptist Community
> said that their plan was to take over the government and then to
> make all faiths, other than Christian, illegal. (CBS, 60 Minutes)
>
> -18. It is the christians who now attack the gays... the
> christians are telling lies about gays, and saying that the gay
> 'faith' must be stamped out... thereby the christians are showing
> no tolerance, or respect for the religious freedom of gays.
> Thus, religious freedom to the christians, means religion as far
> as the christians can tolerate it. If the christians don't like
> the religion that you practice they will make your life a living
> nighmare... (NBC News, CBS, CNN)
>
> -19. When anything bad happens in the world, regardless of
> whether the christians had anything to do with it or not... the
> christians rush to find someone to blame... regardless of whether
> that someone had anything to do with it or not. When things go
> well in the world, the christians rush to grab credit for that
> thing, whether the christians had anything to do with that thing
> or not. (World Book Encyclopedia)
>
> -20. Religious freedom in the United States means having
> christian law, christian judges, christian lawmakers, christian
> rules, christian television, christian stores, christian
> government, christian states, christian culture... All other
> faiths are merely tolerated and not looked on as equal by the
> christians... for anyone who does not follow their very
> narrowminded perspective is said to be working for the devil, or
> is a sinner. Thus, anyone who does agree with the christians is
> made out to be less of a human than the christians... by the very
> nature of how the christians worship. (extrapolation, based on
> the foregoing research)
>
> -Now the christians come for the gays... they come for me... Next
> they'll be coming for YOU...!
>
> Freedom Now! Not For Some! For Everyone!
> ---------------------
>
>
>
> Religion is a primative anthropological ethnocentric form of
> behavior whereby the followers of a religion will force their
> views on every culture that they interract with. And the people
> who the religion interracts with will either flee, convert, or
> die...
>
> So far in the world, the religions of the world are responsible
> for millions of deaths... and the destruction of every culture
> that they have encountered. No religion is above this base
> behavior. The christian religion has killed millions who refused
> to convert... and the killing and oppression continues to this
> day...
>
> Freedom Now! Not for some... For Everyone!
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Linda & Mike Shevchuk wrote in message ...
> :You're right Republicans have no tolerance for people who, in
> :>
> :>
> :>
> :>
> :
> :
>
>
>
Cor...@my-dejanews.com
Let us take a good look at this statement you seem to enjoy tagging to many of
your recent posts.
"Religion is an anthropologically ethnocentric and primative behavior
whereby culturally immature people push their views on others who are too
culturally backward to figure life out on their own... Religion is for
people who are afraid of hell.... Spirituality is for those who have been
there..."
Can you tell me how religion is ethnocentric considering the following? Islam
is the fastest growing religion in the world. The religion began, as many of
the world's major religions, in the Middle East. Yet not all Muslims are of
the Semetic race...no, far from it. Likewise, Christianity, your favorite as
we all know, diefies a man (or being depending on your take) of the Semetic
race. Yet, look at his followers; they comprise of people from all races and
many of the world's ethnic groups. My own religion of Buddhism, holds in the
highest esteem a man born of Hindi stock and has followers around the globe.
So given these few examples, and I could go on naming others, I fear you are
proven wrong on this first count.
How then is religion primitive behavior (You'll notice it is spelt with all
three "i"s and no "a"...that would be a different story altogether)?
Primitive is defined by Webster's as: "simple or crude", at least I believe
that is the definition from amongst the many which would best suit the
message you were attempting to convey. So let us examine this accusation.
Religion can certainly not be considered simple. Were that true there would
be but one religion, since the answer to all humanity's numerous questions
about the universe and our position in it would long ago have been answered,
undoubtedly by a simpleton, as it were so simple. But no, there exist a
nearly infinite number of various and extremely diverse faiths in our world,
and certainly they do not all offer up the same answers to the questions
aforementioned. Many, in fact, offer up diametrically opposed views.
Reincarnation, heaven and hell, purgatory, the Seven Pillars, transmutation,
fasting, monotheism-ditheism-polytheism, original sin, self-determination,
and the list goes on and on. these are hardly the discussion points of mental
midgits. And the means by which they practice these beliefs are anything but
simple or crude...the rituals, prayers, and songs of the various faiths of
the world are among the most complex and aesthetically rich human actions
ever conceived.
So now we turn to the argument that religious people are immature. In what
sense of the word? Maturity is often measured by ones ability to reach ones
potential and ones ability to give back to the community more than you take
from it. How then could truly religious people be considered immature.
Certainly most religions call upon their followers to treat their fellow
humans with respect and dignity, and include some tenet calling for service
to community. Other tenets usually implore worshippers to reach their own,
personal, potential through self-improvement...even the Catholic notion of
penance involves this principle. So to say that a relgious person is
immature, either culturally or personally is a false statement when uttered
as a blanket labeling.
To say that all religions force their beliefs on others is again wrong. And
what are you trying to say when you state "push their views on others who are
too culturally backward to figure life out on their own?" That statement has
to be one of the absolutely most ethnocentric statements I have ever
read...and I've read Kipling! Are you trying to imply that there exist
cultures in our world which are inherently superior to others? If that is the
case then you are wrong again, and a hypocrit to boot. I will grant you that
many of the world's religions do proselytize, both in countries which are
economically well off and those which are not. And yes, they often use their
economic clout to convert those who might not otherwise do so, but for the
offer of a more financially secure life. But if this is true, so then is the
adverse. For every religion that is out there proselytizing, another is
not...and this one may be the shorter-lived of the two obviously. There are
exceptions. Buddhism is NOT a proselytizing religion, nor is Hinduism,
Zoroastrianism, Jainism, Shintoism, and great many of the Far Eastern faiths.
These faiths, though not as large as Christianity and Islam, represent a
large percentage of the world's faithful.
And finally we come to the part of your statement which blesses us with your
wisdom concening the belief in hell. Again, you are completely off base with
your assertion. A great many faiths, including a great many branches of
Judaism, do NOT believe in a hell. In my branch of Buddhism, if you don't get
it right in this life time, your sorry butt comes back again and again until
you get it right. Jainism also holds that there is no hell, merely an eternal
universe divided into two ultimate, eternal, and independent categories of
living beings and inanimate objects both of which are uncreate and
indestructible. Neither do the religions of the Native Americans of North
America believe in hell.
Spirituality is just a convenient word for someone who doesn't wish to
profess a faith, yet is not brazen enough to label themselves an atheist.
The very fact that you constantly complain about religious people, and
Christians especially, not being tolerant while at the same time abusing them
verbally for their beliefs shows an appalling lack of tolerance on your own
part. I am, and I am sure a great many other people of faith on the news
groups are as well, happy to let you go along believing in whatever you do or
do not want to believe, but we certainly expect reciprocity in return. It is
possible to disagree with us without calling into question our level of
culture development, our supposed ethnocentrism, and primative [sic]
behavior. If you are right, we would be too stupid to grasp it, and your
fellow "spiritualists" would undoubtedly recognize those same characteristics
in our postings as you have.
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Matthew N. Sharp
Maschke" <jmwin...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> --
> Greetings...
>
> - Simple moron...
>
We're off to a flying start...
> Here's some facts about the christians... refute any of these...
> and if you can't ... then just shut up... okay...
Theory:
John Wayne Gacy was bisexual, John Wayne Gacy killed 33 people,
therefore all bisexuals killed 33 people.
Look at this, think about it, and apply it to your own theories.
Ciao,
matthew n. sharp
-
mns[at]mnslab.com [www.mnslab.com]
Wm James
<jmwin...@earthlink.net> wrote:
)>- Where most of christianity and the republicans, are unable to show any
)>tolerance... or kindness... It is refreshing to see this....
)>
)>In snub to Congress, San Francisco expands domestic partner benefits
You seem to be rather intolerant of those who do not share your point of
view. Let businesses make their own decisions based on their own views.
Show a little tolerance of others and then you might be taken seriously when
you speak of such things.
William R. James
Ezekiel Krahlin
Since when does tolerance to essentially Nazi people, accomplish
humanitarian goals? These blood-thirsty religious reich types are
murderous and destructive of democracy. You confuse Nicole's justified
disgust with intolerance. It is tolerance you should be demanding from
KKKristians, not from gay activists.
---
Q. How many heteros does it take to screw in a light bulb?
A. I don't know, they're still trying to breed enough brains
for the challenge!
---
My website kicks (but never licks) butt!
http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/
Lance Visser
+>>)>- Where most of christianity and the republicans, are unable to show any
+>>)>tolerance... or kindness... It is refreshing to see this....
+>>)>
+>>)>In snub to Congress, San Francisco expands domestic partner benefits
+>>
+>>
+>>You seem to be rather intolerant of those who do not share your point of
+>>view. Let businesses make their own decisions based on their own views.
+>>Show a little tolerance of others and then you might be taken seriously when
+>>you speak of such things.
+>>
+>>William R. James
+>Since when does tolerance to essentially Nazi people, accomplish
+>humanitarian goals? These blood-thirsty religious reich types are
+>murderous and destructive of democracy.
If you have read Nicole's posts, you will quickly realize that
she does not hate just right-wing christians, but has a nazi-style hate
of everyone in the religion. She has as similar attitude toward jews
and probably others. Mindless hate of entire religions is not going
to lead to humanitarian goals.
+>You confuse Nicole's justified
+>disgust with intolerance. It is tolerance you should be demanding from
+>KKKristians, not from gay activists.
Nicole's attitude is so full of hate that she might as well
be a nazi. She doesn't express her displeasure with particular
groups, but with whole religions as if there is no political difference
or diversity within them.
A recent example of her attitude:
---------------------------------------
Subject: Jewish Violence...
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 18:45:02 -0400
--
Greetings....
- And people wonder why I renounced my faith, and separated from
the Jewish faith earlier this year... Here's one fucking good
example... Okay...
Gad! You fucking jews are never going to stop this shit are
you... You've just got to keep killing and hating and killing...
This, along with the fucking christian shit in the US, just
proves my point about human-made religion...
---------------------------------------------
Wm James
Krahlin) wrote:
)>On Thu, 20 Aug 1998 04:40:37 GMT, sp...@here.not (Wm James) wrote:
)>
)>>On Tue, 11 Aug 1998 06:30:07 -0400, "Nicole Dawn Maschke"
)>><jmwin...@earthlink.net> wrote:
)>>
)>>)>- Where most of christianity and the republicans, are unable to show
any
)>>)>tolerance... or kindness... It is refreshing to see this....
)>>)>
)>>)>In snub to Congress, San Francisco expands domestic partner benefits
)>>
)>>
)>>You seem to be rather intolerant of those who do not share your point of
)>>view. Let businesses make their own decisions based on their own views.
)>>Show a little tolerance of others and then you might be taken seriously
when
)>>you speak of such things.
)>>
)>>William R. James
)>
)>Since when does tolerance to essentially Nazi people, accomplish
)>humanitarian goals? These blood-thirsty religious reich types are
)>murderous and destructive of democracy. You confuse Nicole's justified
)>disgust with intolerance. It is tolerance you should be demanding from
)>KKKristians, not from gay activists.
Oh, I get it. Intolerance is only bad when it's someone you disagree with
demonstrating it. When you do it it OK. Is that how it works in your
twisted little world?
)>---
)>Q. How many heteros does it take to screw in a light bulb?
)>A. I don't know, they're still trying to breed enough brains
)> for the challenge!
Real tolerant, bigot!
William R. James
Gary Duve
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>--
>Greetings...
Err, trot on over to www.vatican.va and review Christian
teaching by the Catholic church.
As to pagans... well you see, the slaughter of early
Christians by pagans is rather well documented, as
is the fact many of the earliest Christian martyrs were
killed (often tortured to death) by pagans.
Now the Catholic church for a very long time has
valued human life. Sadly we still see various forms
of paganism which devalue human life. Sigh, seems
before, during and after the establishment of
Christianity as the dominant religion in the world,
and long after Christianity accepted to heart the
value of human life, pagans still believe in a cult
of death. Aside from rejecting Paganism, whats a
person who values life to do? Certainly one course
is to turn to a religion which has outgrown Paganism
in favor of human life and dignity. I suppose you'll tell
us you're Christian now? hehehehe
Regards
ezek...@my-dejanews.com
sp...@here.not wrote:
> Oh, I get it.
No you don't.
> Intolerance is only bad when it's someone you disagree with
> demonstrating it.
Since when do Nazis demonstrate tolerance? Certainly, intolerance must be
applied to those who espouse violence, and denigration of minorities.
> When you do it it OK. Is that how it works in your
> twisted little world?
My twisted little world is the United States of Assholes. But it is not a
twisted little world, it is a twisted *big world. You are obviously one of its
proud uber-citizens.
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vis...@convex.com (Lance Visser) wrote:
> +>Since when does tolerance to essentially Nazi people, accomplish
> +>humanitarian goals? These blood-thirsty religious reich types are
> +>murderous and destructive of democracy.
>
> If you have read Nicole's posts, you will quickly realize that
> she does not hate just right-wing christians, but has a nazi-style hate
> of everyone in the religion.
Let's talk about religion, once the churches are finally taxed, and kept
separate from state politics. Until then, she has real reason to take offense
at the religious morons who try to run everyone's lives.
> She has as similar attitude toward jews and probably others.
Probably. And for good reason.
> Mindless hate of entire religions
Well, I hardly would call her reasons "mindless". They may be fuming with
outraged oratory...but nonetheless, she is stripping away the hypocrisy of
organized religions, and of political cabals empowered by them. And doing a
damned good job of it.
>is not going to lead to humanitarian goals.
Well, she's only one human being, and thus can only do so much. I believe,
though, that her voice, along with others who are outraged...will add up to
significant contributions to more humanitarian outcomes.
> Nicole's attitude is so full of hate that she might as well
> be a nazi.
Nonsense. She's full of righteous disgust. Good for her!
> She doesn't express her displeasure with particular
> groups, but with whole religions as if there is no
> political difference
> or diversity within them.
Up to a point, there are indeed differences and diversities. But religion is
religion, is what it all boils down to. Religion causes more wars and
sufferings and prejudices, than they do good things. Look what the Salvation
Army did, in response to fair job laws for gays...they just walked out on the
whole city of San Francisco! This is not a humane response, this is hateful
and small-minded. And they are hiding behind so-called "laws of God" to
justify their withdrawal, regardless of all the poor and ill, who will no
doubt suffer, even die, as a result. And they'll (Salvation Army, their
supporters, and other KKKristian groups) blame "gay people" for this outcome.
All in the name of religion.
Nicole has made it very clear, that she distinguishes between a religious
life, and a spiritual one. Using this viewpoint, you could say that religions
are essentially anti-spiritual and pro-totalitarian.
> A recent example of her attitude:
>
> ---------------------------------------
> Subject: Jewish Violence...
> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 18:45:02 -0400
Yes, yes, I've seen that. As one raised Jewish, who better to criticise such
acts of barbarism in the name of Zion? You?
Lance Visser
>In article <6rha9f$9...@phoenix.rsn.hp.com>,
> vis...@convex.com (Lance Visser) wrote:
>> +>Since when does tolerance to essentially Nazi people, accomplish
>> +>humanitarian goals? These blood-thirsty religious reich types are
>> +>murderous and destructive of democracy.
>>
>> If you have read Nicole's posts, you will quickly realize that
>> she does not hate just right-wing christians, but has a nazi-style hate
>> of everyone in the religion.
>Let's talk about religion, once the churches are finally taxed, and kept
>separate from state politics. Until then, she has real reason to take offense
>at the religious morons who try to run everyone's lives.
Well, you seem to be as dedicated to hate as she used to be.
All I can say to you is what I said to her. Hating people based
on their religion, regardless of their politics, is evil.
+>> She has as similar attitude toward jews and probably others.
+>Probably. And for good reason.
Only if you can call mindless hate of people based on their
religion a "good reason". Nazis and similar people understand
those sorts of attitudes, but many others reject hate based on
people's religion.
+>> Mindless hate of entire religions
+>Well, I hardly would call her reasons "mindless". They may be fuming with
+>outraged oratory...but nonetheless, she is stripping away the hypocrisy of
+>organized religions, and of political cabals empowered by them. And doing a
+>damned good job of it.
Then you are either a fool or wrapped up in hate. She isn't
convincing anyone of anything. She is damaging her own causes by
coming across as a hate-filled manaic. If you believe in hate
based on religion, you will end up on the same-self-destructive path.
+>>is not going to lead to humanitarian goals.
+>Well, she's only one human being, and thus can only do so much. I believe,
+>though, that her voice, along with others who are outraged...will add up to
+>significant contributions to more humanitarian outcomes.
Spreading hate isn't going to lead to humanitarian goals unless
you have made those who don't share your beliefs out to be less than
human.
+>> Nicole's attitude is so full of hate that she might as well
+>> groups, but with whole religions as if there is no
+>> political difference
+>> or diversity within them.
+>Up to a point, there are indeed differences and diversities. But religion is
+>religion, is what it all boils down to. Religion causes more wars and
+>sufferings and prejudices, than they do good things. Look what the Salvation
+>Army did, in response to fair job laws for gays...they just walked out on the
+>whole city of San Francisco! This is not a humane response, this is hateful
+>and small-minded. And they are hiding behind so-called "laws of God" to
+>justify their withdrawal, regardless of all the poor and ill, who will no
+>doubt suffer, even die, as a result. And they'll (Salvation Army, their
+>supporters, and other KKKristian groups) blame "gay people" for this outcome.
+>All in the name of religion.
All I can say to you is that you have adopted the same mentality
that right-wing christians use against "gay people". Its simple mindless
hate and the use of particular actions of the few to slander and whip
up hate against the many.
+>Nicole has made it very clear, that she distinguishes between a religious
+>life, and a spiritual one. Using this viewpoint, you could say that religions
+>are essentially anti-spiritual and pro-totalitarian.
If you use that viewpoint, you are making assumptions about all
people in a particular religion irrespective of what their personal beliefs
or actions are. That is bigotry. Nicole has no more "right" to call
all christians, jews and many others "non-spiritual" than a clansman
has a right to declare people non-human because of race.
>> A recent example of her attitude:
>>
>> ---------------------------------------
>> Subject: Jewish Violence...
>> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 18:45:02 -0400
+>Yes, yes, I've seen that. As one raised Jewish, who better to criticise such
+>acts of barbarism in the name of Zion? You?
There is a difference between being critical of certain political
viewpoints and attacking jews as a whole. Or do you think
(nicole's comment in part)
"gad! You fucking jews are never going to stop this shit are you"
is simply a criticism of "acts of barbarism in the name of Zion".
That is not a criticism of acts of barbarism. That is an
attack on a whole religion regardless of individual politics.
Wm James
)>In article <6rha9f$9...@phoenix.rsn.hp.com>,
)> vis...@convex.com (Lance Visser) wrote:
)>
)>> +>Since when does tolerance to essentially Nazi people, accomplish
)>> +>humanitarian goals? These blood-thirsty religious reich types are
)>> +>murderous and destructive of democracy.
)>>
)>> If you have read Nicole's posts, you will quickly realize that
)>> she does not hate just right-wing christians, but has a nazi-style hate
)>> of everyone in the religion.
)>
)>Let's talk about religion, once the churches are finally taxed, and kept
)>separate from state politics. Until then, she has real reason to take
offense
)>at the religious morons who try to run everyone's lives.
If you tax them, how do you propose to keep them out of politics?
Keep in mind that those churches have as much right as any other group,
club, or individual to voice their opinions and campaign for their causes.
)>> She has as similar attitude toward jews and probably others.
)>
)>Probably. And for good reason.
"Her" reason is simply to hear herself talk. "She" can't even keep "her"
lies straight.
)>> Mindless hate of entire religions
)>
)>Well, I hardly would call her reasons "mindless". They may be fuming with
)>outraged oratory...but nonetheless, she is stripping away the hypocrisy of
)>organized religions, and of political cabals empowered by them. And doing
a
)>damned good job of it.
A rather poor job, in my opinion. "Nichole" (aka Maurice) is someone you
whould never want on your side in any argument. It is a person that makes
what ever the cause look like lunacy.
)>>is not going to lead to humanitarian goals.
)>
)>Well, she's only one human being, and thus can only do so much. I believe,
)>though, that her voice, along with others who are outraged...will add up
to
)>significant contributions to more humanitarian outcomes.
)>
)>> Nicole's attitude is so full of hate that she might as well
)>> be a nazi.
)>
)>Nonsense. She's full of righteous disgust. Good for her!
Hitler was kinder to people than "she".
)>> She doesn't express her displeasure with particular
)>> groups, but with whole religions as if there is no
)>> political difference
)>> or diversity within them.
)>
)>Up to a point, there are indeed differences and diversities. But religion
is
)>religion, is what it all boils down to. Religion causes more wars and
)>sufferings and prejudices, than they do good things. Look what the
Salvation
)>Army did, in response to fair job laws for gays...they just walked out on
the
)>whole city of San Francisco! This is not a humane response, this is
hateful
)>and small-minded. And they are hiding behind so-called "laws of God" to
)>justify their withdrawal, regardless of all the poor and ill, who will no
)>doubt suffer, even die, as a result. And they'll (Salvation Army, their
)>supporters, and other KKKristian groups) blame "gay people" for this
outcome.
)>All in the name of religion.
Do they not have that right?
)>Nicole has made it very clear, that she distinguishes between a religious
)>life, and a spiritual one. Using this viewpoint, you could say that
religions
)>are essentially anti-spiritual and pro-totalitarian.
As an atheist, it really doesn't matter to me. However they are entitled to
the same rights as anyone else.
William R. James
Wm James
)>In article <35dde28c...@news.mem.bellsouth.net>,
)> sp...@here.not wrote:
)>
)>> Oh, I get it.
)>
)>No you don't.
)>
)>> Intolerance is only bad when it's someone you disagree with
)>> demonstrating it.
)>
)>Since when do Nazis demonstrate tolerance? Certainly, intolerance must be
)>applied to those who espouse violence, and denigration of minorities.
)>
)>> When you do it it OK. Is that how it works in your
)>> twisted little world?
)>
)>My twisted little world is the United States of Assholes. But it is not a
)>twisted little world, it is a twisted *big world. You are obviously one of
its
)>proud uber-citizens.
You obviously find it better than any other place since you are still here.
No one is keeping you from leaving are they? Move to Iraq if you like, and
improve both countries by doing so.
William R. James