*F* Soul Music meet report ( mk. 1)
Martyn Clapham
Having finally got to a phone line, he are my impressions of the meet at
the NFT today.
I arrived just before the film started due to transport problems.
The first thing I spotted was a stuffed dragon, is this why Mr Fox and
Mr Raccoon were not present?
The theatre was fairly well filled, and everyone seemed to enjoy the
show.
Afterwards Pterry and others appeared for a Q&A session, hopefully
someone has a fuller record of this.
One comment of Pterrys was something like 'With all these people reading
the novels I feel like a Roman emperor, if they like it I'm fine, if not
it's lions at dawn'
I had to leave early so can someone else fill in what happed after the
screening.
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In article <4y13oBA2wk$yE...@mclapham.demon.co.uk>, Martyn Clapham
<mar...@mclapham.demon.co.uk> writes
>
>One comment of Pterrys was something like 'With all these people reading
>the novels I feel like a Roman emperor, if they like it I'm fine, if not
>it's lions at dawn'
>
emperor at times like these: "If the People like it, then I like it; if
they don't like it, you will be facing wabib wild beasts in the awena
within a week..."
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Tony Finch
Martyn Clapham <mar...@mclapham.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>Having finally got to a phone line, he are my impressions of the meet at
>the NFT today.
Ah yes, I have a list of people here. It's definitely incomplete (I
have never attached a face to the name "Martyn Clapham"), but it goes:
2 Bellinghpeople
Paul + Karen
Kitten + wossname (this is my excellent memory used to its full potential)
Claire-Louise + dragon
Simes
Darrell
Rob Collier
Rob the ergonomist
Simon Brown
Kendal
Helen Highwater + Tim
Flying Hamster
Random Companion and Jason
and I have Mr Fox listed, although I'm not sure I believe it.
A random quote:
Tony (watching Kendal playing with a chocolate egg): Can you do the
Rite of Askh Ente with a creme egg?
Simes: That would summon Death by chocolate.
After the Q&A session we went to the Royal Festival Hall foyer for
food and drink at the cafe and bar they have there (and for various
ASR people to meet up). Unfortunately the place was packed with people
watching some musicians. Eventually we decided to find somewhere else
to have unch, and in the absence of any collective intelligence
(SHEEP, YOU ARE ALL SHEEP) we ended up in Burger King, of all places.
I would have preferred a pub, but nobody was willing to drag N afpers
in search of one. I had to leave soon after this to get back to windy
Cambridge to drum up a congregation.
FTony.
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Martyn Clapham
In article <5dnhoq$f...@dex.trin.cam.ac.uk>, Tony Finch <fa...@lspace.org>
writes
>Martyn Clapham <mar...@mclapham.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>Having finally got to a phone line, he are my impressions of the meet at
>>the NFT today.
>
>Ah yes, I have a list of people here. It's definitely incomplete (I
>have never attached a face to the name "Martyn Clapham"), but it goes:
>
bag over my shoulder. Yet again I didn't get chance to use it.
>2 Bellinghpeople
>Paul + Karen
>Kitten + wossname (this is my excellent memory used to its full potential)
>Claire-Louise + dragon
>Simes
>Darrell
>Rob Collier
>Rob the ergonomist
>Simon Brown
>Kendal
>Helen Highwater + Tim
>Flying Hamster
>Random Companion and Jason
>and I have Mr Fox listed, although I'm not sure I believe it.
>
I never saw Mr. Fox, but that's not conclusive proof due to the short
time I spent with the group before and after the show.
I was sat next to someone who said they were a lurker, I think she was
called Elaine and came from near Reading, is that right?
>A random quote:
Shouldn't that be a qoute for Random?
BTW I prevented Jason getting injured when Random mis-understood a
comment he made to me about about the MRTB.
>
>Tony (watching Kendal playing with a chocolate egg): Can you do the
>Rite of Askh Ente with a creme egg?
>Simes: That would summon Death by chocolate.
>
>After the Q&A session we went to the Royal Festival Hall foyer for
>food and drink at the cafe and bar they have there (and for various
>ASR people to meet up). Unfortunately the place was packed with people
>watching some musicians. Eventually we decided to find somewhere else
>to have unch, and in the absence of any collective intelligence
>(SHEEP, YOU ARE ALL SHEEP) we ended up in Burger King, of all places.
>I would have preferred a pub, but nobody was willing to drag N afpers
>in search of one. I had to leave soon after this to get back to windy
>Cambridge to drum up a congregation.
>
>FTony.
When I left people were still trying to get drinks etc. from the bars in
the RFH.
Gideon Hallett
On 10 Feb 1997 16:18:34 -0000, Tony Finch <fa...@lspace.org> spoke in
tongues:
>Martyn Clapham <mar...@mclapham.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>Having finally got to a phone line, he are my impressions of the meet at
>>the NFT today.
>
>Ah yes, I have a list of people here. It's definitely incomplete (I
>have never attached a face to the name "Martyn Clapham"), but it goes:
>
<snip the Rogues' Gallery>
Well, I seem to have done my usual trick of turning up to a meet
without actually being noticed, I think that's the third one that I
went to that the person who did the report didn't see me...*g*
I really wonder sometimes if I can do it deliberately...
IT WOULD BE HANDY...;)
>
>A random quote:
>
>Tony (watching Kendal playing with a chocolate egg): Can you do the
>Rite of Askh Ente with a creme egg?
>Simes: That would summon Death by chocolate.
>
Judging by the subsequent movement of said egg, that idea went out the
window...(or tried to)
>After the Q&A session we went to the Royal Festival Hall foyer for
>food and drink at the cafe and bar they have there (and for various
>ASR people to meet up). Unfortunately the place was packed with people
>watching some musicians. Eventually we decided to find somewhere else
>to have unch, and in the absence of any collective intelligence
>(SHEEP, YOU ARE ALL SHEEP) we ended up in Burger King, of all places.
>I would have preferred a pub, but nobody was willing to drag N afpers
>in search of one. I had to leave soon after this to get back to windy
>Cambridge to drum up a congregation.
I didn't go to Burger King. It would be sort of inafpropriate. Instead,
I got the job of cheering up my grilf, who got dragged along to the
screening and introduced to a lot of strange people...
Still, it was informative. I located Random's secret UCL connection -
she used to go out with one of my friends (and I didn't know about it!).
I think Colette may have acheived the almost unheard-of feat of
capturing me on film.
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In article <33008da1.15782698@news>, Gideon Hallett <Gideon_Hallett@3mai
l.3Com.com> writes
>Judging by the subsequent movement of said egg, that idea went out the
>window...(or tried to)
I was watching that egg very closely. It obviously saw me and jumped for
it. I did wonder how come it didn't melt. It wouldn't have had a chance
had it been *my* egg. I was consdering trying to buy it...
>Still, it was informative. I located Random's secret UCL connection -
But I don't use it any more...Oh. I get it.
>she used to go out with one of my friends (and I didn't know about it!).
I wondered who you were, but as usual I didn't feel well, so I didn't
ask. Who was it who's thinking of selling his soul to Bealzegates?
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>to have unch, and in the absence of any collective intelligence
>(SHEEP, YOU ARE ALL SHEEP) we ended up in Burger King, of all places.
Hmm, well, I did suggest somewhere, but as usual, noone was interested
in anything I had to say, and Darrell kept trying to cheer me up which
is GUARANTEED to piss me off more, and I had a headache, and then
the..erm...well, it wasn't food they served in Burger Thing, I 'm not
sure what it was, but it made me feel sick. Should have nipped off to
the chinese when I had the chance, really. :( General impression of the
meet? The words brewery and piss-up come to mind, in a somewhat negative
sense. Noone knew what was going on, noone wanted to be in charge, we
just follwed that bloke with the umbrella in the wrong direction for a
while, then went to Waterloo. Then went and stood around back where we'd
started from.
Tony Finch
Random Companion <Random_C...@espace.demon.co.ukp> wrote:
>
>Hmm, well, I did suggest somewhere, but as usual, noone was interested
>in anything I had to say,
Fx: massive crowd in unison with overinflated pop-ego in front
singing: "Say it loud, say it clear". AFP in sheep mode is remarkably
easy to persuade if you look decisive.
>and Darrell kept trying to cheer me up which
>is GUARANTEED to piss me off more,
Grr.
>General impression of the meet? The words brewery and piss-up come to
>mind, in a somewhat negative sense. Noone knew what was going on,
>noone wanted to be in charge, we just follwed that bloke with the
>umbrella in the wrong direction for a while, then went to Waterloo.
>Then went and stood around back where we'd started from.
I'm not going to defend myself against these scurrilous accusations.
Bloke with umbrella, hmph. At least I was trying to get people to make
helpful suggestions, since I don't even know if there _is_ anything
not made of concrete on the south bank. NO, NO, STOPPIT, I'm being
defensive again.
FTony (bloody raining when I leave then bloody dry for the rest of the
day so I'm carrying a bloody dead-weight brolly).
Simon Brown
Tony Finch spake thusly:
> Ah yes, I have a list of people here. It's definitely incomplete (I
> have never attached a face to the name "Martyn Clapham"), but it goes:
>
> Simes
> Simon Brown
So, either:
1: Simon Callan has changed his name to Simon Brown to confuse people;
2: Simon Callan is now known as Simes to confuse me;
or 3: You got slightly confused :)
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Tony Finch
Simon Brown <si...@amdev.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Tony Finch <fa...@lsapce.org> wrote:
>>
>> Ah yes, I have a list of people here. It's definitely incomplete (I
>> have never attached a face to the name "Martyn Clapham"), but it goes:
>>
>> Simes
>> Simon Brown
>
> So, either:
>
> 1: Simon Callan has changed his name to Simon Brown to confuse people;
> 2: Simon Callan is now known as Simes to confuse me;
> or 3: You got slightly confused :)
Ah, now I see I said "incomplete" where I should have said "wrong";
obviously a fit of overconfidence in my defective bonce. I blame
anyone called Simon or any variant thereof -- there's far too many of
you.
FSimon.
Andromeda
In article <FZH1REAl...@mclapham.demon.co.uk>, Martyn Clapham
<mar...@mclapham.demon.co.uk> writes
>
>I was sat next to someone who said they were a lurker, I think she was
>called Elaine and came from near Reading, is that right?
That would probably be my friend Elaine, who has been lurking here for
some time. She comes from Redditch
I'm sorry I never made it, a friend got married over the weekend and I
have been bogged down with the celebrations and with work.
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On Tue, 11 Feb 1997, Random Companion <Random_C...@espace.demon.co.ukp>
wrote:
[snipped: extremely pissed off peeve about lack of organisation]
Well, sorry dear. What you had there was a small nucleus of sdm/afp
crossovers who had agreed the previous evening to meet in the RFH bar at
3:00 pm (admittedly about an hour later than turned out to be best, but what
the heck). Said meeting took place, after which we retired to Wagamama's for
an excellent Japanese meal. We'd said to the afp bunch around that we were
heading to the RFH, and you all followed.
What you saw wasn't an afp meet. Really, truly. Sorry, but it's difficult
being in two newsfroups at once, and *this* weekend I was in with the sdm
bunch.
[The apparent lack of interest in suggestions is a good reason for any meet
organiser to be dictatorial. Attempts to work out what to do by consensus
aren't doomed per se, but in any sizable group, there's no time left to
implement the decisions.]
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Kitten
Once upon a time, the literary genius known as Tony Finch
<fa...@lspace.org> scribed for our perusal...
>
>Ah yes, I have a list of people here.
<snip>
>Kitten + wossname (this is my excellent memory used to its full potential)
^^^^^^^^
<snip>
*sigh*, he could get quite offended at this, you know. "Wossname",
"Kitten's small fluffy toy", "that bloke who Kat appears to be attached
to" etc. are all, I'm sure, endearing terms in their own way, but I
think it's time to make things clear once and for all. His name is
*Matt*, as in short for *Matthew*. Understandable, yes?
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Tony Finch
Kitten <K...@blewbury.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>*sigh*, he could get quite offended at this, you know. "Wossname",
>"Kitten's small fluffy toy", "that bloke who Kat appears to be attached
>to" etc. are all, I'm sure, endearing terms in their own way, but I
>think it's time to make things clear once and for all. His name is
>*Matt*, as in short for *Matthew*. Understandable, yes?
I'm good at memorisation, it's just recall that causes trouble.
FTony.
Elaine Charlson - Sun ENO
In article <dTsaUOB3...@bloodaxe.demon.co.uk>, Andromeda <and...@bloodaxe.demon.co.uk> writes:
>In article <FZH1REAl...@mclapham.demon.co.uk>, Martyn Clapham
><mar...@mclapham.demon.co.uk> writes
>>
>>I was sat next to someone who said they were a lurker, I think she was
>>called Elaine and came from near Reading, is that right?
Yes, it is right, but I have posted before on occasion so am not strictly a lurker.
>That would probably be my friend Elaine, who has been lurking here for
>some time. She comes from Redditch
Redditch, where's that? Ah! M5 ish direction. You learn something new every day :-)
Elaine (of Misalliance)
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In article <330209e1....@news.demon.co.uk>,
The Bellinghman <al...@lspace.org> wrote:
>
>[The apparent lack of interest in suggestions is a good reason for any meet
>organiser to be dictatorial. Attempts to work out what to do by consensus
>aren't doomed per se, but in any sizable group, there's no time left to
>implement the decisions.]
Hear hear, and, hear.
Rule 1 of meet organisation: Be dictatorial.
Darrell, how's that meet organisation FAQ going?
mpk
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Martyn Clapham
In article <5drb7o$p...@dex.trin.cam.ac.uk>, Tony Finch <fa...@lspace.org>
writes
>Kitten <K...@blewbury.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>*sigh*, he could get quite offended at this, you know. "Wossname",
>>"Kitten's small fluffy toy", "that bloke who Kat appears to be attached
>>to" etc. are all, I'm sure, endearing terms in their own way, but I
>>think it's time to make things clear once and for all. His name is
>>*Matt*, as in short for *Matthew*. Understandable, yes?
>
>I'm good at memorisation, it's just recall that causes trouble.
>
>FTony.
I think you did pretty well, the number of people in your list is about
as many as I saw in the group. I'd have been amazed if you matched my
name to a face, as it's only the second time I've been to a London meet
and at FP I spent most of the time hidden in a corner.
The easy answer is to let the people who are complaining do the reports
next time :-)
Martyn Clapham
In article <lB94LDAVal$yE...@unseen.demon.co.uk>, Terry Pratchett
<tprat...@unseen.demon.co.uk> writes
>In article <4y13oBA2wk$yE...@mclapham.demon.co.uk>, Martyn Clapham
><mar...@mclapham.demon.co.uk> writes
>>
>>One comment of Pterrys was something like 'With all these people reading
>>the novels I feel like a Roman emperor, if they like it I'm fine, if not
>>it's lions at dawn'
>>
>I said I'd told Mark Hall at the DW con that I have to act like a Roman
>emperor at times like these: "If the People like it, then I like it; if
>they don't like it, you will be facing wabib wild beasts in the awena
>within a week..."
Now things have settled down, I can reply to this.
Firstly an apology to Pterry for the mis-quote, the original post was
done late at night after driving up from London.
Secondly, now that a transcription of the DID program is available, I
was wondering if anyone can remember exactly what was said in the Q&A
session at the NFT. If so could a transcription be put up as I can't
remember it all myself. I seem to remember it would need spoiler space
for a couple of bits, and of course Pterry whould have to be happy about
it going up.
Random Companion
In article <5dqmrj$m...@dex.trin.cam.ac.uk>, Tony Finch <fa...@lspace.org>
writes
>Random Companion <Random_C...@espace.demon.co.ukp> wrote:
>>
>>Hmm, well, I did suggest somewhere, but as usual, noone was interested
>>in anything I had to say,
>
>Fx: massive crowd in unison with overinflated pop-ego in front
>singing: "Say it loud, say it clear". AFP in sheep mode is remarkably
>easy to persuade if you look decisive.
Not easy when you have a headache, don't know where you are, are in need
of chocolate and have been watching someone PLAYING with some for ten
minutes, and don't actually know who anyone except Darrell is, because
you couldn't hear the introductions.
> we just follwed that bloke with the
>>umbrella in the wrong direction for a while, then went to Waterloo.
>>Then went and stood around back where we'd started from.
>
>I'm not going to defend myself against these scurrilous accusations.
>Bloke with umbrella, hmph. At least I was trying to get people to make
>helpful suggestions, since I don't even know if there _is_ anything
>not made of concrete on the south bank. NO, NO, STOPPIT, I'm being
>defensive again.
>
>FTony (bloody raining when I leave then bloody dry for the rest of the
>day so I'm carrying a bloody dead-weight brolly).
I usually carry a brolly. Next time I'll have my brolly. People take you
seriously when you have a brolly to threaten them with.
Lady Kayla
m...@cs.nott.ac.uk (Mike Knell) scribbled:
>Hear hear, and, hear.
>Rule 1 of meet organisation: Be dictatorial.
Why didn't anybody tell me this earlier? :) Organising an AFP meet
is like trying to shovel snow with an ace-pick. Especially when
you've never actually met any of them.
>Darrell, how's that meet organisation FAQ going?
And can I have a copy? :)
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Andromeda
In article <5ds317$q...@flonk.uk.sun.com>, Elaine Charlson - Sun ENO
<Elaine....@nospam.uk.sun.com> writes>>In article <FZH1REAl...@mclapham.demon.co.uk>, Martyn Clapham
>><mar...@mclapham.demon.co.uk> writes
>>>
>>>I was sat next to someone who said they were a lurker, I think she was
>>>called Elaine and came from near Reading, is that right?
>
>Yes, it is right, but I have posted before on occasion so am not strictly a
>lurker.
>
>>That would probably be my friend Elaine, who has been lurking here for
>>some time. She comes from Redditch
>
>Redditch, where's that? Ah! M5 ish direction. You learn something new every day
>:-)
Aha...!!!...so there are two of you...!!!...oh no...:-}
Mark Lowes
In article <5dnhoq$f...@dex.trin.cam.ac.uk>,
Tony Finch <fa...@lspace.org> wrote:
[...]
>and I have Mr Fox listed, although I'm not sure I believe it.
Believe :)
[...]
>(SHEEP, YOU ARE ALL SHEEP)
Be careful what you say, remember there are certain sheepworriers
posting here.
>we ended up in Burger King, of all places.
>I would have preferred a pub, but nobody was willing to drag N afpers
>in search of one. I had to leave soon after this to get back to windy
>Cambridge to drum up a congregation.
You missed the pub then :) RobC (not the blond one) dragged the
remains off to a small pub next to Waterloo.
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The Bellinghman
On Tue, 11 Feb 1997 20:17:24 GMT, Simon Brown <si...@amdev.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
>Tony Finch spake thusly:
>
>> Ah yes, I have a list of people here. It's definitely incomplete (I
>> have never attached a face to the name "Martyn Clapham"), but it goes:
>>
>> Simes
>> Simon Brown
>
>So, either:
>
>1: Simon Callan has changed his name to Simon Brown to confuse people;
>2: Simon Callan is now known as Simes to confuse me;
>or 3: You got slightly confused :)
or 4: Simes was there, but it was the one true scary devil Simes (aka Simon
Burr) who had led to the previous day's introductions: 'Hi, I'm Simon, but
not Simes' from two other Simons.
Umm, what *is* this, an International Simon Conspiracy? It's not as though
the message on the answering machine when we got home wasn't from yet
another Simon.
Simon Brown
Random Companion spake thusly:
> In article <5dqmrj$m...@dex.trin.cam.ac.uk>, Tony Finch <fa...@lspace.org>
> writes
> >Fx: massive crowd in unison with overinflated pop-ego in front
> >singing: "Say it loud, say it clear". AFP in sheep mode is remarkably
> >easy to persuade if you look decisive.
>
> Not easy when you have a headache, don't know where you are, are in need
> of chocolate and have been watching someone PLAYING with some for ten
> minutes, and don't actually know who anyone except Darrell is, because
> you couldn't hear the introductions.
That, then, would be my fault - but if you couldn't hear what I was
saying, you really ought to have told me. I don't react *too* badly to
someone going "Oi, Simes, you're mumbling again. Speak up, for crying out
loud."
As to the other, well, I know nothing of that part of London, so I was
unable to offer any suggestions either.
> I usually carry a brolly. Next time I'll have my brolly. People take you
> seriously when you have a brolly to threaten them with.
Probably a good idea.
But it is probably fair to say that that there were not your typical AFP
meet. Certainly for me, the only plan was "go to the NFT and then see what
happens afterward." Things are generally more organised.
Plus, I think you may have left by the time we went to the pub, so...
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Random Companion <Random_C...@espace.demon.co.ukp> wrote:
>the..erm...well, it wasn't food they served in Burger Thing, I 'm not
>sure what it was, but it made me feel sick.
What is it with BK and Macdonalds these days? Within the last month
I've eaten a burger from BK, which resembled cardboard, and one that a
little place on a station warmed up in a microwave, which actually did
a reasonable impression of being meat. It didn't take significantly
longer than BK either.
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Jason
Random:
> I usually carry a brolly. Next time I'll have my brolly. People take you
> seriously when you have a brolly to threaten them with.
Me, I don't worry about it, I *always* do what she says. =-)
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Richard Kettlewell (ric...@greenend.org.uk) wrote:
: What is it with BK and Macdonalds these days? Within the last month
: I've eaten a burger from BK, which resembled cardboard, and one that a
: little place on a station warmed up in a microwave, which actually did
: a reasonable impression of being meat. It didn't take significantly
: longer than BK either.
Did it bounce? The burger I had at Burger Thing (aka Bugger King) was so
tough and hard to chew, I finally gave up on it. My husband pulled it
out of its bun and dropped it on the floor to see if it would bounce --
lo! it did.
-==- Ennien (got a height of 6", too)
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air ur buadh bhochd a thuigsinn! ...mise cuideachd, gu
fi\or.. -- Malanochs (Mallanox)
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Darrell Ottery
In article <5dslva$7...@paperboy.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk>, Mike Knell
<m...@cs.nott.ac.uk> writes
>Darrell, how's that meet organisation FAQ going?
Pretty much in shape. See elsewhere for more details, where I invite
discussion. Mike's not allowed though - we've got to draw the line
somewhere...
--
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In case of emergency, break glass. Scream. Bleed to death.
Dave O'Brien
Ennien and Robin Ashbrook:
>Tha a'chumhachd sgriosail aig a'mhi\osail seo air tho\isich
>air ur buadh bhochd a thuigsinn! ...mise cuideachd, gu
>fi\or.. -- Malanochs (Mallanox)
Pardon me for being an irritating pedant, but aren't your fadas
going the wrong way?
Any chance of a translation? My Irish ain't what it used to be.
--
Dave O'Brien
"Lieutenant, this planet has crossed the line!
Assemble the Giant Robot!"
"We didn't bring it. *You* wanted the exercise bike."
Jason
Random:
> the..erm...well, it wasn't food they served in Burger Thing, I 'm not
> sure what it was, but it made me feel sick.
Random's "burger" was one of their veggie jobs. I must admit I think it's
my fault, I sort of recommended the bloody things to her forgetting that
a) I'll eat anything and b) most people won't eat what looks and tastes like
hessian carpetting.
Sorry, Mistress.
Richard Kettlewell:
> What is it with BK and Macdonalds these days? Within the last month
> I've eaten a burger from BK, which resembled cardboard, and one that a
> little place on a station warmed up in a microwave, which actually did
> a reasonable impression of being meat. It didn't take significantly
> longer than BK either.
BK's output (at least the local branch) has always been a little crap
(tasting *far* too much like charcoal for my liking). And at least when
they nuke a burger in a box for you on a station you have a *vague* idea
what you're about to munch.
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Random Companion
>[The apparent lack of interest in suggestions is a good reason for any meet
>organiser to be dictatorial. Attempts to work out what to do by consensus
>aren't doomed per se, but in any sizable group, there's no time left to
>implement the decisions.]
>
the edges know what's going on helps. I mean, I would MUCH rather have
had Japanese than go to Burger Thing. If I'm going to feel ill, I want
something tasty to be responsible, not an alleged burger. But nobody
told ME there was another option.
Kendall Libby
Random Companion <Random_C...@espace.demon.co.ukp> writes:
> I was watching that egg very closely. It obviously saw me and jumped for
> it. I did wonder how come it didn't melt. It wouldn't have had a chance
> had it been *my* egg. I was consdering trying to buy it...
Had you but asked, I surely would have given it to you... :-\
K.
Simon Brown
The Bellinghman spake thusly:
> >So, either:
> >
> >1: Simon Callan has changed his name to Simon Brown to confuse people;
> >2: Simon Callan is now known as Simes to confuse me;
> >or 3: You got slightly confused :)
>
> or 4: Simes was there, but it was the one true scary devil Simes (aka Simon
> Burr) who had led to the previous day's introductions: 'Hi, I'm Simon, but
> not Simes' from two other Simons.
>
> Umm, what *is* this, an International Simon Conspiracy?
Well, it's funny you should mention that...
> It's not as though the message on the answering machine when we got home
> wasn't from yet another Simon.
Look at it this way - if you're getting all this attention from our
agents, then you must be special in some way.
And remember. We Know Where You Live.
Sleep tight.
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[INFP] http://www.amdev.demon.co.uk/ / Mankind's last best hope for pizza.
My sex drive has crazy paving.
Bugs
And pass up all the fun you were having throwing it over the
balcony...yeah right....that's the last time I give you a caramel egg :P
Bugsy
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Bugs
On Wed, 12 Feb 1997, The Bellinghman wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Feb 1997 20:17:24 GMT, Simon Brown <si...@amdev.demon.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> >Tony Finch spake thusly:
> >
> >> Ah yes, I have a list of people here. It's definitely incomplete (I
> >> have never attached a face to the name "Martyn Clapham"), but it goes:
> >>
> >> Simes
> >> Simon Brown
> >
> >So, either:
> >
> >1: Simon Callan has changed his name to Simon Brown to confuse people;
> >2: Simon Callan is now known as Simes to confuse me;
> >or 3: You got slightly confused :)
>
> or 4: Simes was there, but it was the one true scary devil Simes (aka Simon
> Burr) who had led to the previous day's introductions: 'Hi, I'm Simon, but
> not Simes' from two other Simons.
I found it rather amusing when they introduced themselves like this to me,
unbeknown to the fact that I've been staying in the house of BOFH in
cambridge with said Simes, and 2 other sdm type people, and have been
accused of leaving marks on said Simes' neck....
<innocent look> like I'd do something like that </innocent look>
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Random Companion
In article <5dt6s4$fo0$6...@sfere.greenend.org.uk>, Richard Kettlewell
<ric...@greenend.org.uk> writes
>Random Companion <Random_C...@espace.demon.co.ukp> wrote:
>
>>the..erm...well, it wasn't food they served in Burger Thing, I 'm not
>>sure what it was, but it made me feel sick.
>
>I've eaten a burger from BK, which resembled cardboard, and one that a
>little place on a station warmed up in a microwave, which actually did
>a reasonable impression of being meat. It didn't take significantly
>longer than BK either.
>
revolting white goo they put in burgers *and* it had vegetables in it. I
mean, VEG in a BURGER. What is the world coming to? AND the Hard Rock
dont do the Linda McCartney burger any more, either.
Random Companion
In article <5dsop1$d...@news.mel.aone.net.au>, Lady Kayla
<ka...@vianet.net.au> writes
>m...@cs.nott.ac.uk (Mike Knell) scribbled:
>
>>Hear hear, and, hear.
>
>>Rule 1 of meet organisation: Be dictatorial.
>
>Why didn't anybody tell me this earlier? :) Organising an AFP meet
>is like trying to shovel snow with an ace-pick. Especially when
>you've never actually met any of them.
I afpologise to Ashild, Ashild's accompanying bloke (can't remember the
name) and Dave the Lurker for a really pathetic meet, where we a) talked
about DrWho b) talked about how crap the music in the pub was.
Random Companion
In article <199702127...@amdev.demon.co.uk>, Simon Brown
<si...@amdev.demon.co.uk> writes
>Random Companion spake thusly:
>> Not easy when you have a headache, don't know where you are, are in need
>> of chocolate and have been watching someone PLAYING with some for ten
>> minutes, and don't actually know who anyone except Darrell is, because
>> you couldn't hear the introductions.
>
>That, then, would be my fault - but if you couldn't hear what I was
>saying, you really ought to have told me. I don't react *too* badly to
>someone going "Oi, Simes, you're mumbling again. Speak up, for crying out
>loud."
See, thing is, I'm a generally miserable person. I tend not to look much
different from normal when I feel like death warmed up, so people don't
tend to notice. My hearing was off, and IIRC, I was walking up a flight
of stairs. Also, you are somewhat taller than me, and were ahead of me,
therfore, up still higher. You could see the people you were pointing
at, I could not. It doesn't help that you were on my left. The left ear
is for listening to music, on the walkman, while the right ear is the
Speech Processing ear. You might have had more luck if I wasn't hanging
onto the bannister. Or if you'd been singing.
>
>As to the other, well, I know nothing of that part of London, so I was
>unable to offer any suggestions either.
Oh, I know the area, but not the building where we ended up. It was one
of those places where I feel really uncomfortable, dunno why. Perhaps
because it had Live Music and was very definately a lot posher than
anywhere I normally go. And I don't like Jazz.
>
>> I usually carry a brolly. Next time I'll have my brolly. People take you
>> seriously when you have a brolly to threaten them with.
>
>Probably a good idea.
>
>But it is probably fair to say that that there were not your typical AFP
>meet. Certainly for me, the only plan was "go to the NFT and then see what
>happens afterward." Things are generally more organised.
Yes, well, there's always the Edinburgh one.
>
>Plus, I think you may have left by the time we went to the pub, so...
>
Well, yes, because I had stuff to do. This was one of the reasons I was
so pissed off. I could have been at home, doing all the stuff that I
still haven't got round to doing, and I was standing about in a place
that had live music not talking to anyone. I also needed to sit down,
and I have an inbuilt loathing of sitting on the floor in posh places.
Reminds me of school trips.
Elaine Logan
In article <ruDHrpAK...@bloodaxe.demon.co.uk>, Andromeda
<and...@bloodaxe.demon.co.uk> writes
>>Yes, it is right, but I have posted before on occasion so am not strictly a
>>lurker.
>>
>>>That would probably be my friend Elaine, who has been lurking here for
>>>some time. She comes from Redditch
>>
>>Redditch, where's that? Ah! M5 ish direction. You learn something new every
>day
>>:-)
>
>Aha...!!!...so there are two of you...!!!...oh no...:-}
>
>- ANDROMEDA
>
we're taking over.
Today afp...tomorrow the world!
--
Elaine Logan
MisElaineous the Red
Michelena Riosa
On Fri, 14 Feb 1997 10:47:03 GMT, alan.c...@ces-cdr.be (Alan
Connell) wrote:
>Personally I think there are too many official EU languages as it
>is, and with more countries trying to join (eastern european ones)
>even the character sets will cause problems[2].
>I quite liked the idea of one of the Finnish ministers to reduce
>the number of languages to from 11 to 3. French, English and
>German. Why, because nearly everybody here speaks at least two of
>those.
>
Be Careful....Coming from a country where language is being used as a
major propaganda issue over a possible severance (although there are
many other reasons). I humbly offer that stirring up that can of worms
can cause a few generations of dischord...(ie at least two hundred
years).
When I was growing up, I used to envy the people who came from systems
were a base knowledge of several languages was taught at an early
enough age to make some understanding possible. Here, the anglos are
generally taught too late for it to be instinctive.
For everyday use in Toronto, I would benefit with a knowledge of
Greek, Hindi, Cantonese, Italian, Portuguese, and a few more.
And there's this bloke at work who keeps smirking and saying things in
Swedish at me..
But I'm bableing..it's still Coffee#1
Michelena
>"I fall in love with someone new practically every day, but that's OK, it's
> just the price I pay for being a man." - The Divine Comedy
not necessarily a soley male plight. Perhaps Dante should log onto
alt.polyamory.
mri...@visgen.com
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Random Companion
In article <970213200...@cosine.demon.co.uk>, Jason
<t...@cosine.demon.co.uk> writes
>Random:
>> the..erm...well, it wasn't food they served in Burger Thing, I 'm not
>> sure what it was, but it made me feel sick.
>
>my fault, I sort of recommended the bloody things to her forgetting that
>a) I'll eat anything and b) most people won't eat what looks and tastes like
>hessian carpetting.
Carpet would have been preferable. Lots of fibre in a carpet...
Random Companion
In article <220akf...@whorfin.ecosoft.com>, Kendall Libby
<fu...@lspace.org> writes
>Random Companion <Random_C...@espace.demon.co.ukp> writes:
>
>> I was watching that egg very closely. It obviously saw me and jumped for
>> it. I did wonder how come it didn't melt. It wouldn't have had a chance
>> had it been *my* egg. I was consdering trying to buy it...
>
>Had you but asked, I surely would have given it to you... :-\
>
indication enough?
Richard Kettlewell
Jason <t...@cosine.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Richard Kettlewell:
>>What is it with BK and Macdonalds these days? Within the last month
>>I've eaten a burger from BK, which resembled cardboard, and one that a
>>little place on a station warmed up in a microwave, which actually did
>>a reasonable impression of being meat. It didn't take significantly
>>longer than BK either.
>
>(tasting *far* too much like charcoal for my liking).
There was a period a couple of years ago when the Cambridge BK was
considerably better than the Cambridge MacD's (IMHO, of course...)
But I hardly go near either now.
Actually last time I was in BK the tray had a bit of paper on it with
a big picture of a burger, the title ``Anatomy of a Whopper'' and
various bits of explanatory text. Apparently the stripes that these
burgers get from being flame-grilled makes them particularly
attractive to pretty girls, resulting in their getting lots of dates.
(I'm not making this up, it really claims this. Research at the
Wokingham AFPmeet suggests that the claim is false...)
Simon Brown
Richard Kettlewell spake thusly:
> There was a period a couple of years ago when the Cambridge BK was
> considerably better than the Cambridge MacD's (IMHO, of course...)
> But I hardly go near either now.
There was a time when I used to go to McD's a great deal. But then, I was
living in Middlesbrough at that stage.
> Actually last time I was in BK the tray had a bit of paper on it with
> a big picture of a burger, the title ``Anatomy of a Whopper'' and
> various bits of explanatory text. Apparently the stripes that these
> burgers get from being flame-grilled makes them particularly
> attractive to pretty girls, resulting in their getting lots of dates.
> (I'm not making this up, it really claims this. Research at the
> Wokingham AFPmeet suggests that the claim is false...)
That must've been *ages* ago, cos the one I still have from the Con is one
of those.
I obviously only still have it because of the signatures on it. Obviously.
Er.
Simes, wondering whether admitting this was a good idea.
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[INFP] http://www.amdev.demon.co.uk/ / Mankind's last best hope for pizza.
Watch out for falling rocks.
B. Chalmers
In article <5e4qd5$rd9$4...@sfere.greenend.org.uk>,
Richard Kettlewell <ric...@greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>
>There was a period a couple of years ago when the Cambridge BK was
>considerably better than the Cambridge MacD's (IMHO, of course...)
>But I hardly go near either now.
Well, BK still beats MaccyD, on account of having some flavour (however
bad), and having provided me with lots of money off vouchers. I tend to
stick to Gardy's myself 8)
>Actually last time I was in BK the tray had a bit of paper on it with
>a big picture of a burger, the title ``Anatomy of a Whopper'' and
>various bits of explanatory text. Apparently the stripes that these
>burgers get from being flame-grilled makes them particularly
>attractive to pretty girls, resulting in their getting lots of dates.
>(I'm not making this up, it really claims this. Research at the
>Wokingham AFPmeet suggests that the claim is false...)
However, these particular sheets have a far more important part in afp
history... a whole crowd of us signed these in the Manchester BK during
the con, worryingly I still have a copy, signed by a whole load of folks
(including a purely fictitious character) attached to my bedroom wall.
ttfn
Ben
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Colm Buckley
> == Richard Kettlewell <ric...@greenend.org.uk>
> Actually last time I was in BK the tray had a bit of paper on it with
> a big picture of a burger, the title ``Anatomy of a Whopper'' and
> various bits of explanatory text. Apparently the stripes that these
> burgers get from being flame-grilled makes them particularly
> attractive to pretty girls, resulting in their getting lots of dates.
I've got one of those! Signed by various DWCon attendees, if I'm not
mistaken. Strange the things which one accumulates, isn't it...
Colm (some of it grew back)
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Kendall Libby
Random Companion <Random_C...@espace.demon.co.ukp> writes:
> So watching it intently and running after it when you dropped it wasn't
> indication enough?
Well, in my condition it as hard to distiguish between interest in
devouring said egg and idle amusement at watching a foolish merkin
playing with said egg...
K.
Richard Kettlewell
Simon Brown <si...@amdev.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Richard Kettlewell spake thusly:
>>Actually last time I was in BK the tray had a bit of paper on it with
>>a big picture of a burger, the title ``Anatomy of a Whopper''
[...etc...]
>
>That must've been *ages* ago, cos the one I still have from the Con
>is one of those.
Actually it was while I was missing a connection on the way to the
Wokingham meet.
MJ DIMMICK
Jason communicated by means of words in alt.fan.pratchett...
> Random:
> > the..erm...well, it wasn't food they served in Burger Thing, I 'm not
> > sure what it was, but it made me feel sick.
>
> Random's "burger" was one of their veggie jobs. I must admit I think it's
> my fault, I sort of recommended the bloody things to her forgetting that
> a) I'll eat anything and b) most people won't eat what looks and tastes like
> hessian carpetting.
>
>
> Richard Kettlewell:
> > What is it with BK and Macdonalds these days? Within the last month
> > I've eaten a burger from BK, which resembled cardboard, and one that a
> > little place on a station warmed up in a microwave, which actually did
> > a reasonable impression of being meat. It didn't take significantly
> > longer than BK either.
>
> BK's output (at least the local branch) has always been a little crap
> they nuke a burger in a box for you on a station you have a *vague* idea
> what you're about to munch.
Ah, the delights of having an on-campus restaurant which is both quick
and serves edible food. Well, as long as they don't put vegetarian
cheese on the pizzas (urgh!). They do a very good char-grilled
burger; I haven't had a chance to sample the chicken bits yet, and
apparently the baked potatoes are good...
Stop it, you're making me hungry!!
--
Michael Dimmick | dimm...@aston.ac.uk | http://www.aston.ac.uk/~dimmicmj
"Outside on the battlements, the guard changed. In fact he changed
into his gardening apron and went off to hoe the beans..."
-- Terry Pratchett, `Lords & Ladies'
I really, really must get out more...
Random Companion
In article <2g1ywp...@whorfin.ecosoft.com>, Kendall Libby
<fu...@lspace.org> writes
Darlzie
MJ DIMMICK wrote:
> Ah, the delights of having an on-campus restaurant which is both quick
> and serves edible food. Well, as long as they don't put vegetarian
> cheese on the pizzas (urgh!). They do a very good char-grilled
> burger; I haven't had a chance to sample the chicken bits yet, and
> apparently the baked potatoes are good...
Which one on campus - La Serre Bistro, or Lean To (which metamorphoses
into the Psychedelic Monk later on), the food bit in Einsteins (cool pub
innit!), or that other place I can't remember the name of? (oh the joys
of lots of food places in easy reach and no money to spend there...) Or
the Coffee and Cream up the road, and The Loft on Sundays. (The joys of
having 3 pubs in the student guild), plus the Vauxhall Diner
(unfortunate name, we call it the VD) about 5 others in a minutes walk,
the square peg (Bloody Huge on Corporation Street) and The Bin (in
Handsworth Village). And Oscars restaurant. I think that's about it...
The bit in brackets are for the benefit of those people who aren't
Astonauts.
Later, Ian
Random Companion
In article <5ea06o$hi5$2...@whatsit.aston.ac.uk>, MJ DIMMICK
<dimm...@aston.ac.uk> writes
>Ah, the delights of having an on-campus restaurant which is both quick
>and serves edible food. Well, as long as they don't put vegetarian
>cheese on the pizzas (urgh!).
Oh, yes, I do love places which have cheese (and it's NEVER vegeterian
cheese) on all their so-called vegeterian food, and don't know what
you're talking about if you ask if the desserts have gelatine in them.
Victoria Martin
On Mon, 17 Feb 1997, Random Companion wrote:
>
> Oh, yes, I do love places which have cheese (and it's NEVER vegeterian
> cheese) on all their so-called vegeterian food, and don't know what
> you're talking about if you ask if the desserts have gelatine in them.
This raises a question which has long puzzled me - is non-vegetarian
cheese still made using rennt? And if not, what does it contain that
renders it non-vegetarian? I ask because an eminent scientist once told
me (seizing the opportunity, in the Oxbridge way, to make me feel like an
utter ignoramus) that rennet hadn't been used in cheese-making for years
and it was all done using some clever genetically engineered material. I
was too ignorant to ask any sensible question like "what do you mean by
genetically engineered?" but ever since then I've wondered whether
Sainsbury's has seen a golden opportunity to screw a few extra pence out
of vegetarians by marketing, quite unnecessarily, "vegetarian cheese".
Of course, wine isn't vegetarian either.
Victoria
John Fouhy
In article <199702137...@amdev.demon.co.uk>,
Simon Brown <si...@amdev.demon.co.uk> wrote:
[International Simon Conspiracy]
> And remember. We Know Where You Live.
It's true!
The other day I bumped into someone on the street whose name might have
been Simon, and the following night someone broke into our house and ate
our cat!
The poor thing still hasn;t got over the shock..
--
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All mimsy were the borogroves, and the mome raths outgrabe." - Lewis Carroll
Michael Dimmick
Darlzie communicated by means of words in alt.fan.pratchett...
> MJ DIMMICK wrote:
> > Ah, the delights of having an on-campus restaurant which is both quick
> > and serves edible food. Well, as long as they don't put vegetarian
> > burger; I haven't had a chance to sample the chicken bits yet, and
> > apparently the baked potatoes are good...
>
> Which one on campus - La Serre Bistro, or Lean To (which metamorphoses
> into the Psychedelic Monk later on), the food bit in Einsteins (cool pub
> innit!), or that other place I can't remember the name of? (oh the joys
> of lots of food places in easy reach and no money to spend there...) Or
> the Coffee and Cream up the road, and The Loft on Sundays. (The joys of
> having 3 pubs in the student guild), plus the Vauxhall Diner
> (unfortunate name, we call it the VD) about 5 others in a minutes walk,
> the square peg (Bloody Huge on Corporation Street) and The Bin (in
> Handsworth Village). And Oscars restaurant. I think that's about it...
>
Well, the Psychedelic Monk has metamorphosed simply into 'Monks' (the
old artwork which I swear was there at the beginning of last term has
disappeared). No, I meant Oscar's, which is fairly good. Don't,
please, mention the Coffee and Cream. Ok when you're pissed,
otherwise, it really is like eating cardboard!
Michelena Riosa
On Mon, 17 Feb 1997 16:32:41 GMT, alan.c...@ces-cdr.be (Alan
Connell) wrote:
>You sort of misunderstood me. Reducing the number of 'official'
>languages would open the EU more.
But you get a generation or two of bickering over what will be deemed
as "an okfficial" language. Over here you might thing that we would
have gone "oh simple, We'll have English and French" but even that
descision took ages and is still under debate...
> Translating in and out of 11
>languages causes a large number of problems - loss of context
>being the most common. Currently here, we do not have translators
>for Greek/Portugese - Finnish and vice-versa. So the document is
>translated twice. Loss of information can't be helped. If, on
>the other hand, these translations weren't necessary people could
>be put to better use doing other things.
Yep..can do anything but agree with that. The translation difficulty
still is a problem resulting in two "distinct" cultures (oh nooooo I
used the "D" word) Anybody in Canada can tell you that, in our
language debate, getting translators was always a minor political
issue. The question was not "have everything translated into X numbers
of languages" or "guaranteeing services in X numbers of languages as a
right" but the much more vague political and cultural questions that
arose by allowing (or not allowing) one group to have "the right" to
operate in their language of choice. Arguments bases on solely
efficient or pragmatic reasons will come in second over a culture that
may root its identity in its language.
>Yep. It's the same at home. At school, we start learning Irish at
>about 4 y/o. By the time we leave at 18, most people still can't
>speak it correctly. We also start studying a european language
>in secondry school. I studied French for 5 years. I learnt more
>here in 6 months than I did at school - and I work in an English
>speaking enviroment.
I took about 10 years of French in an Anglo school...I figure I know
about enough to seriously offend Quebecois with my poor attemps at the
language.
>>And there's this bloke at work who keeps smirking and saying things in
>>Swedish at me..
>That's just the Swedish for you!.
The *smirk* translates nevertheless. I just want an "in" to a decent
Coffee source.[1]
Michelena
[1] And I work in a company that has Starbuck's on tap in the
office...Spoiled Brat aren't I?
some bloke
> renders it non-vegetarian? I ask because an eminent scientist once told
> me (seizing the opportunity, in the Oxbridge way, to make me feel like an
> utter ignoramus) that rennet hadn't been used in cheese-making for years
> and it was all done using some clever genetically engineered material. I
> was too ignorant to ask any sensible question like "what do you mean by
> genetically engineered?" but ever since then I've wondered whether
> Sainsbury's has seen a golden opportunity to screw a few extra pence out
> of vegetarians by marketing, quite unnecessarily, "vegetarian cheese".
Well, it's is true that a large majority of cheeses available on the
market are in fact vegetarian, because artificially produced rennet is
cheaper as well as more efficient than natural rennet. Vegetarian cheese
contains a vegetable derived enzyme similar to rennet, just because many
veggies feel that just because animal rennet can be produced withou the
aid of a dead cow, 'that's not the point'.
But the veggie stuff is slightly more expensive, but yes. I reckon its
all a big con. Ha ha ha ha ha.
BTW, have I made you feel like a rhododendron? It's more my style than
ignorami.
MC
Rocky Frisco
Random Companion wrote:
>
> In article <5ea06o$hi5$2...@whatsit.aston.ac.uk>, MJ DIMMICK
> <dimm...@aston.ac.uk> writes
> >and serves edible food. Well, as long as they don't put vegetarian
> >cheese on the pizzas (urgh!).
>
> cheese) on all their so-called vegeterian food, and don't know what
> you're talking about if you ask if the desserts have gelatine in them.
I suspect most of them just consider that it comes from dairy, so is
legitimately vegetarian, although obviously not vegan, forgetting the
source of rennet.
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Random Companion <Random_C...@espace.demon.co.ukp> writes:
> What condition? Being American?
Nonono, I'd gotten used to that handicap long ago. It was the sleep
dep thing. Though that's something that I *should* be used to, I
guess.
K.
Midnight Tree Bandit
In the last episode, we saw Random Companion say:
>In article <5ea06o$hi5$2...@whatsit.aston.ac.uk>, MJ DIMMICK
><dimm...@aston.ac.uk> writes
>>Ah, the delights of having an on-campus restaurant which is both quick
>>and serves edible food. Well, as long as they don't put vegetarian
>>cheese on the pizzas (urgh!).
>
>Oh, yes, I do love places which have cheese (and it's NEVER vegeterian
>cheese) on all their so-called vegeterian food, and don't know what
>you're talking about if you ask if the desserts have gelatine in them.
The local Uni has a Vegan Society. According to their own rules, they are
allowed one meat per day. What am I missing here? I mean, I thought vegans
were the strictest of vetarians (no meat, no milk, no eggs, etc).
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Random Companion
In article <Pine.OSF.3.91.970218...@ermine.ox.ac.uk>,
Victoria Martin <sann...@ermine.ox.ac.uk> writes
>This raises a question which has long puzzled me - is non-vegetarian
>cheese still made using rennt? And if not, what does it contain that
>me (seizing the opportunity, in the Oxbridge way, to make me feel like an
>utter ignoramus) that rennet hadn't been used in cheese-making for years
>and it was all done using some clever genetically engineered material.
Veggie cheese contains the genetically engineered stuff. Ordinary cheese
contains animal rennett.
>Of course, wine isn't vegetarian either.
'sokay, I'm tee-total. Why not, though?
Tony Finch
Random Companion <Random_C...@espace.demon.co.ukp> wrote:
>Victoria Martin <sann...@ermine.ox.ac.uk> writes
>>
>>Of course, wine isn't vegetarian either.
>
>'sokay, I'm tee-total. Why not, though?
If it's anything like beer it contains "finings" (extracted rom
sturgeon fish) to help the yeast to settle.
FTony.
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Victoria Martin
On 19 Feb 1997, Tony Finch wrote:
> Random Companion <Random_C...@espace.demon.co.ukp> wrote:
> >Victoria Martin <sann...@ermine.ox.ac.uk> writes
> >>
> >>Of course, wine isn't vegetarian either.
> >
> >'sokay, I'm tee-total. Why not, though?
>
> If it's anything like beer it contains "finings" (extracted rom
> sturgeon fish) to help the yeast to settle.
>
Some of it contains blood. No, seriously. And gelatinous stuff extracted
from the hoofs of cows and horses.
Victoria
Stefan Linnemann
Tony Finch <fa...@lspace.org> wrote:
}Random Companion <Random_C...@espace.demon.co.ukp> wrote:
}>Victoria Martin <sann...@ermine.ox.ac.uk> writes
}>>Of course, wine isn't vegetarian either.
}>'sokay, I'm tee-total. Why not, though?
}If it's anything like beer it contains "finings" (extracted rom
}sturgeon fish) to help the yeast to settle.
Speak for your own beer, lad,[1] Dutch beer is produced purely from the
vegetable kingdom. No additives either. As for German beer, it's even
more strict, as per the Reinheitsgebot the ingredients are very strictly
defined. Heineken, which only add hop to the list, had trouble getting
in, but the Germans grudgingly accepted, that hop was not a thing they
could reasonably object to.
Hug,
Stefan.
[1] Need I add a smiley there? ;-)
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Andrew Mobbs
In article <5e71qk$q...@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk>,
B. Chalmers <bc...@thor.cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>Well, BK still beats MaccyD, on account of having some flavour (however
>bad), and having provided me with lots of money off vouchers. I tend to
>stick to Gardy's myself 8)
>
don't stand in one place for too long, particually if you find your boots
are becoming difficult to move.
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Allan Third
Alan Connell wrote:
>
> On Thu, 13 Feb 1997 21:41:45 GMT,
> d...@diaspoir.demon.co.uk (Dave O'Brien) wrote:
>
> >Ennien and Robin Ashbrook:
> >>Tha a'chumhachd sgriosail aig a'mhi\osail seo air tho\isich
> >>air ur buadh bhochd a thuigsinn! ...mise cuideachd, gu
> >>fi\or.. -- Malanochs (Mallanox)
> >
> >Pardon me for being an irritating pedant, but aren't your fadas
> >going the wrong way?
> It's probably Scots Gaelic, their accents go the other way, and
> they spell words wrong too. ;-)
>
> >Any chance of a translation? My Irish ain't what it used to be.
> I tried tanslating, but I gave up after a minute or two. My
> dictionary isn't inwork with me anyway. Not much need to translate
> Irish stuff when it isn't even an official language of the EU[1].
It's _definitely_ not Irish. You're right, it's Scots Gaelic. I'd love
to have my own shot at translation, but my Gaelic dictionaries are all
about two hundred miles away, so I guess that's out. And re: the
accents: until very recently (i.e. the last five-ish years), we had both
grave and acute in Scots Gaelic, but for reasons best known to those
responsible, the acute was forcibly removed from the language.
TTFN
Allan
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Random Companion
In article <330a6325...@news.mindspring.com>, Midnight Tree Bandit
<mtba...@mindspring.com> writes
>The local Uni has a Vegan Society. According to their own rules, they are
>allowed one meat per day. What am I missing here? I mean, I thought vegans
>were the strictest of vetarians (no meat, no milk, no eggs, etc).
>
and I hope they all get mad cow disease.
The Bellinghman
On 18 Feb 1997 17:53:06 -0500, fu...@whorfin.ecosoft.com wrote:
>Nonono, I'd gotten used to that handicap long ago. It was the sleep
>dep thing. Though that's something that I *should* be used to, I
>guess.
We *did* warn you about the kittens ... and you should have been working
round to UK time by then.
Alan
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Random Companion
In article <Pine.OSF.3.91.970219...@ermine.ox.ac.uk>,
Victoria Martin <sann...@ermine.ox.ac.uk> writes
>> If it's anything like beer it contains "finings" (extracted rom
>> sturgeon fish) to help the yeast to settle.
>>
>from the hoofs of cows and horses.
>
drink tea.
Margaret Tarbet
>Some of it contains blood. No, seriously. And gelatinous stuff extracted
>from the hoofs of cows and horses.
urgh. Which "some of it", do you know? I'd positively like
to be able to drink wine again.
------------------------------------------------------------
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us, later?
Donald Campbell
In article <33088582...@news.eunet.be>,
alan.c...@ces-cdr.be (Alan Connell) wrote:
[Replying to Michelena...]
>You sort of misunderstood me. Reducing the number of 'official'
>languages would open the EU more. Translating in and out of 11
>languages causes a large number of problems - loss of context
>being the most common. Currently here, we do not have translators
>for Greek/Portugese - Finnish and vice-versa. So the document is
>translated twice. Loss of information can't be helped. If, on
>the other hand, these translations weren't necessary people could
>be put to better use doing other things.
In that case, how about setting up a neutral language which could
be taught in schools alongside the local one(s) to be used by
everyone for international dealings so there'd be no need for
any translation whatsoever.
Piporevo?
(10 ppoints for reference and correct translation, I think.)
Donald.
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ppint.
- hi. in afparticle, <5efapf$h...@Mazur.LeidenUniv.nl>,
linn...@Mazur.LeidenUniv.nl "Stefan Linnemann" enquired:
> Tony Finch <fa...@lspace.org> wrote:
>} Random Companion <Random_C...@espace.demon.co.ukp> wrote:
>}> Victoria Martin <sann...@ermine.ox.ac.uk> writes
>}>>Of course, wine isn't vegetarian either.
>
>}>'sokay, I'm tee-total. Why not, though?
- it eats bonemeal ?
>
>}If it's anything like beer it contains "finings" (extracted rom
>}sturgeon fish) to help the yeast to settle. ^^^
- not a floppy fish drive ?
>
>Speak for your own beer, lad,[-] Dutch beer is produced purely from the
>vegetable kingdom. No additives either. As for German beer, it's even
>more strict, as per the Reinheitsgebot the ingredients are very strictly
>defined. Heineken, which only add hop to the list, had trouble getting
>in, but the Germans grudgingly accepted, that hop was not a thing they
>could reasonably object to.
>
>Hug, Stefan
>
- <fx: huggggggggggg...>
- "hops, heresy, turkey and beer,
came into england all of a year" [1] [2]:
- british ale masters and mistresses harboured no doubts whatsoever,
as to the pernicious nature of the beast in question: the brewers'
company [3] was set up in 1437 expressly to defend the interests of
ale producers, requesting that "no hops, herbs or other like thing
be put into any ale or liquor whereof ale shall be made - but only
liquor, malt and yeast" [4]. hops were brought into the country by
the romans, in fact; but as vegetables, not for use in brewing.
- love, ppint.
[please remove the initial "v" from the reply-to: address]
[1] - sorry; i don't have an attrib. - i think i recall it from
a superb historical whodunnit; but i'm not even sure of *that*
[2] - also; "hops, reformation, bays and beer,
came to england in one bad year."
and again; "hops and turkeys, carp and beer,..."
and yet again; "turkeys, carps, hops, pickerel and beer,..."
("pickerel" - a young pike - but i know no more in this regard.)
[3] - a guild formed of independent brewers, not one commercial
organisation
[4] - "liquor" is brewer-ese for "water"
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Victoria Martin
On Thu, 20 Feb 1997, Margaret Tarbet wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Feb 1997 12:51:15 +0000,
> Victoria Martin <sann...@ermine.ox.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> >Some of it contains blood. No, seriously. And gelatinous stuff extracted
> >from the hoofs of cows and horses.
>
> urgh. Which "some of it", do you know? I'd positively like
> to be able to drink wine again.
>
I *think* it's only red wine, but i will stop off at my friendly local
Oddbins at some point over the weekend and ask them for the full low-down
on nasties in wine (you get some pretty yucky pesticides as well, if the
grapes aren't organic).
Victoria
Andrew Mobbs
In article <Pine.OSF.3.91.97022...@ermine.ox.ac.uk>,
Victoria Martin <sann...@ermine.ox.ac.uk> wrote:
[...]
>on nasties in wine (you get some pretty yucky pesticides as well, if the
>grapes aren't organic).
Inorganic grapes? Yuck.
Michael The Roach Janszen
On 19 Feb 1997 17:46:39 +0100, linn...@Mazur.LeidenUniv.nl (Stefan
Linnemann) shook the Earth by stating:
>Tony Finch <fa...@lspace.org> wrote:
>}Random Companion <Random_C...@espace.demon.co.ukp> wrote:
>}>Victoria Martin <sann...@ermine.ox.ac.uk> writes
>}>>Of course, wine isn't vegetarian either.
>
>}>'sokay, I'm tee-total. Why not, though?
>
>}If it's anything like beer it contains "finings" (extracted rom
>}sturgeon fish) to help the yeast to settle.
>
>Speak for your own beer, lad,[1] Dutch beer is produced purely from the
>vegetable kingdom.
Sorry, but NO alcoholic beverage is made totally from the vegetable
kingdom. Not even German beer.
>No additives either. As for German beer, it's even
>more strict, as per the Reinheitsgebot the ingredients are very strictly
>defined. Heineken, which only add hop to the list, had trouble getting
>in, but the Germans grudgingly accepted, that hop was not a thing they
>could reasonably object to.
The Reinheitsgebot says that for it to be called beer, you may only
have used corn (European use of the word - vegetable), hops (another
vegetable), water (mineral) and yeast. Now, surprise, surprise! Yeast
is NOT a vegetable. It's a fungus. Vegetarians only refuse to eat
parts (and products, sometimes) of the animal kingdom, not mentioning
that they willingly go for minerals and completely neglecting the
third (forth?) kingdon - fungi - when they say they only eat
vegetables.
Now, it isn't clear whether you can call water not-alive, as recent
research has proven the fact that water DOES have a kind of memory...
:-)
Live long and prosper
Michael "The Roach" Janszen
The Official Michelena Riosa Testosterone Brigade
Producer of the Only Michelena Riosa Table Water
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of the address...
Thomas Worner
MJ DIMMICK <dimm...@aston.ac.uk> wrote in article
<5ea06o$hi5$2...@whatsit.aston.ac.uk>...
> and serves edible food. Well, as long as they don't put vegetarian
> cheese on the pizzas (urgh!). They do a very good char-grilled
> burger; I haven't had a chance to sample the chicken bits yet, and
> apparently the baked potatoes are good...
What's wrong with 'vegetarian cheese'? The only difference, as far as I
know, is the absence (or substitution) of rennet, which only makes up
something in the region of one part per 500... Long live vegetarian cheese.
Derek Lavin
In message <AF3249B3...@atuin.demon.co.uk>
don...@atuin.demon.co.uk (Donald Campbell) writes:
> In that case, how about setting up a neutral language which could
> be taught in schools alongside the local one(s) to be used by
> everyone for international dealings so there'd be no need for
> any translation whatsoever.
> Piporevo?
> (10 ppoints for reference and correct translation, I think.)
Can I have five for saying that, given the schpiel in the paragraph
prior to the word, it's probably Esperanto?
I think that we should just use English for international
translations. I'm not just being egotistical, there, but it seems
silly to invent a whole new "neutral" language, when the majority of
the world hold a knowledge of English in common.
Peter J. I. Ellis
Derek Lavin <sl...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote;
>
> > In that case, how about setting up a neutral language which could
> > be taught in schools alongside the local one(s) to be used by
> > everyone for international dealings so there'd be no need for
> > any translation whatsoever.
>
> > Piporevo?
> > (10 ppoints for reference and correct translation, I think.)
>
> Can I have five for saying that, given the schpiel in the paragraph
> prior to the word, it's probably Esperanto?
>
Ack! Beaten to it! In which case, can I have the other five for
saying that it's the Esperanto for "pipedream"?
Peter
Thomas Down
A while ago, Thomas Worner wrote:
>
> What's wrong with 'vegetarian cheese'? The only difference, as far as I
> know, is the absence (or substitution) of rennet, which only makes up
> something in the region of one part per 500... Long live vegetarian cheese.
>
Actually, these days a large proportion (the bulk, probably) of cheese
is vegitarian, for the simple reason the proteases sourced from bacteria
(either wild or transgenic) are far cheaper than the real thing from
a calf's stomach... I suspect the BSE scare has now killed off virtually
all production of `real' rennet in the UK.
The fact that a block of cheese _doens't_ specifically claim to be
vegitarian doesn't mean that `real' rennet was used.
Rennet isn't really that important in cheese making, except in that you
have to put some sort of suitable enzyme in to curdle the milk. The
quality of a cheese depends mainly on what microorganisms get to grow
on/in it, and how it's stored. Extremely tasty vegitarian cheeses can
be produced consistently be dairies that remember this.
Thomas
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Thomas Worner
Thomas Down <kee...@arilinn.trinity.ox.ac.uk> wrote in article
<ant22141...@arilinn.trinity.ox.ac.uk>...
> on/in it, and how it's stored. Extremely tasty vegitarian cheeses can
> be produced consistently be dairies that remember this.
>
> Thomas
> --
> Before, you are wise; after, you are wise. In between you are otherwise.
See! I was right! I'm not mad! No! No! The results were faked! No! Shut up!
Let me die! They're all green!
..ahem.
I think the case for vegetarian cheese has now been properly made and
vindicated. Ask any Fravashi...
Thomas Worner
Allan Third <a.t...@udcf.gla.ac.uk> wrote in article
<330B35...@udcf.gla.ac.uk>...
> Alan Connell wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 13 Feb 1997 21:41:45 GMT,
> > d...@diaspoir.demon.co.uk (Dave O'Brien) wrote:
> >
> > >Ennien and Robin Ashbrook:
> > >>Tha a'chumhachd sgriosail aig a'mhi\osail seo air tho\isich
'Chumhachd' might mean 'power', or 'ability'
'aig a'mhi\ osail' - 'who had a donkey?!'
...Ah, forget it.
> > >>air ur buadh bhochd a thuigsinn! ...mise cuideachd, gu
Something about a poor something (donkey?),
Thuigsinn = we understand
> > >>fi\or.. -- Malanochs (Mallanox)
'mise...fi\or' = I really something.
> It's _definitely_ not Irish. You're right, it's Scots Gaelic. I'd love
Right. That is not Irish. Hell, I tried...
Stig M. Valstad
don...@atuin.demon.co.uk (Donald Campbell) wrote:
>In that case, how about setting up a neutral language which could
>be taught in schools alongside the local one(s) to be used by
>everyone for international dealings so there'd be no need for
>any translation whatsoever.
But it wouldn't be worth the effort to learn the new language
until a fair amount of other people knew it, thus noone would
bother learning the language until most other people had learnt
it. I put forward exhibition A, a language called Esperanto, as
proof.
I think we just have to accept that English, due to it's already
widespread use is the lingua franca of today and probably will
remain so for some time.
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Derek Lavin
In message <01bc20d1$ca5a4ae0$6685...@pjie2.emma.cam.ac.uk>
"Peter J. I. Ellis" <pj...@hermes.cam.ac.uk> writes:
> Ack! Beaten to it! In which case, can I have the other five for
> saying that it's the Esperanto for "pipedream"?
Okay, I'll go halves with you... seeing as I was just guessing :)
bobbi
On the subject of this whole vegetarian thing can someone tell me......
What is the point in being the top of the food chain if your only prepared
to eat green stuff?
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Victoria Martin
On Sat, 22 Feb 1997, Thomas Down wrote:
>
> Actually, these days a large proportion (the bulk, probably) of cheese
> is vegitarian, for the simple reason the proteases sourced from bacteria
> (either wild or transgenic) are far cheaper than the real thing from
> a calf's stomach... I suspect the BSE scare has now killed off virtually
> all production of `real' rennet in the UK.
>
> The fact that a block of cheese _doens't_ specifically claim to be
> vegitarian doesn't mean that `real' rennet was used.
Aha - this is exactly what i wanted to know. From a purely practical
point of view, does that mean i an buy cheese that isn't lablled
"veregtarian" and be reasonably confident that there are no animal bits
in it? I have long suspected that Sainsbury's was indluging in a scam here.
victoria
Thomas Worner
Victoria Martin <sann...@ermine.ox.ac.uk> wrote in article
<Pine.OSF.3.91.970223...@ermine.ox.ac.uk>...
> Aha - this is exactly what i wanted to know. From a purely practical
> point of view, does that mean i an buy cheese that isn't lablled
> "veregtarian" and be reasonably confident that there are no animal bits
> in it?
Most cheese *is* vegeetarian.
> I have long suspected that Sainsbury's was indluging in a scam here.
Could well be...does anyone remember that 'recycled toilet paper'? The
brown sandpapery stuff? So many people went out and bought it, full of
righteousness, only to discover that _all_ toiletpaper (that I know of...)
is recycled...
Random Companion
In article <330df8e5...@news.telebyte.nl>, "Michael \"The Roach\"
Janszen" <ro...@earthling.netz> writes
> Vegetarians only refuse to eat
>parts (and products, sometimes) of the animal kingdom, not mentioning
>that they willingly go for minerals and completely neglecting the
>third (forth?) kingdon - fungi - when they say they only eat
>vegetables.
I never claimed to only eat Vegetables. I just don't eat dead animals.
And before someone says it, no I don't eat live ones either. I'm very
fond of fungus.
Random Companion
In article <01bc2110$5f7c3460$LocalHost@default>, bobbi
<bo...@thecafe.co.uk> writes
>On the subject of this whole vegetarian thing can someone tell me......
>
>What is the point in being the top of the food chain if your only prepared
>to eat green stuff?
>
middle man. Why feed animals and keep them for ages, only to eat them,
when you can eat the stuff that would have fed them. You get a lot more
of it that way. There would be no food shortages if humans only ate
vegetables. (If the greedier countries were more inclined to distribute
the food fairly anyway) I tend to eat lots of things that are brown,
orange, yellow, red and white as well as green.
Random Companion
In article <01bc2033$092e9540$0730...@worner.iol.ie>, Thomas Worner
<wor...@iol.ie> writes
>What's wrong with 'vegetarian cheese'? The only difference, as far as I
>know, is the absence (or substitution) of rennet, which only makes up
>something in the region of one part per 500... Long live vegetarian cheese.
>
runny cheese. If you don't tell people, they usually can't tell. You do
know that Pizza Hut uses veggie cheese?
Jan H. Haul
In article <9BqVPCAVw$CzE...@espace.demon.co.uk>, Random Companion wrote:
>In article <Pine.OSF.3.91.970219...@ermine.ox.ac.uk>,
>Victoria Martin <sann...@ermine.ox.ac.uk> writes
>>> sturgeon fish) to help the yeast to settle.
>>>
>>from the hoofs of cows and horses.
>>
>drink tea.
Or insist on German beer: Hops, barley, yeast, water. Nothing else.
It's the law, since 1516.
About the sensiblest thing Germans ever invented, methinks.
Jan
Richard Kettlewell
Andrew Mobbs <and...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>Victoria Martin <sann...@ermine.ox.ac.uk> wrote:
>>on nasties in wine (you get some pretty yucky pesticides as well, if
>>the grapes aren't organic).
>
>Inorganic grapes? Yuck.
`organic' when applied to farmed foods has come to refer to a
particular method of cultivation. IMHO the antonym of this sense of
the word ought not to be `inorganic'.
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Richard Kettlewell
Stig M. Valstad <sval...@sn.no> wrote:
>But it wouldn't be worth the effort to learn the new language until a
>fair amount of other people knew it, thus noone would bother learning
>the language until most other people had learnt it. I put forward
>exhibition A, a language called Esperanto, as proof.
>
>I think we just have to accept that English, due to it's already
>widespread use is the lingua franca of today and probably will remain
>so for some time.
One can look at the costs involved. I have seen convincing arguments
that Esperanto is a great deal easier to learn than English (being a
native speaker of English and having almost no knowledge of Esperanto
I can't comment from personal experience however). We can quantify
this by the average number of hours required to become functional, or
the average cost of becoming functional (remembering that some
people's time is more expensive than others, at least in the context
of their job - there are obvious difficulties here) or in some other
way.
Then look at the number of people who need to learn it, which is
really everybody who comes into contact with people who don't speak
their native language. Now many more people across the world already
speak English; but it could be that the cost of teaching Esperanto to
everybody not already fluent in that language is still less than that
of teaching everybody English to the equivalent standard even though
you need to reach more people. In which case we ought to start
working towards making Esperanto the LF at once, before any more
effort is wasted teaching English.
This is all rather academic in a sense since I don't have the relevant
figures, nor (I suspect..) does anyone; and currently I have lots of
things to do with far more immediate gains than learning another
language. But Esperanto is certainly somewhere on the list of things
I feel I ought to do one day.
I hear there are still a few Volapuk(sp?) speakers left.
Margaret Tarbet
On 24 Feb 1997 01:19:33 GMT,
Richard Kettlewell <ric...@greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>One can look at the costs involved. I have seen convincing arguments
>that Esperanto is a great deal easier to learn than English
Once upon a time - iirc it was shortly after Pangaea split
up - i learnt enough to be somewhat capable, and it took me
surprisingly little time. Harry Harrison is a big fan, as
anyone who's read The Rat knows.
The grammar and orthography are both exceptionally simple
and regular, since the language needn't deal with, e.g.,
archaisms left over from indo-european, middle frankish or
whatever. No grimmian notions of strong and weak, for
example. So there are almost no grammar rules to learn and
none of those has any exceptions, so it's all vocab-building
after the initial slog. The worst part of the language, to
me, is the mixture of germanic and romantic forms - it looks
terrible!
>I hear there are still a few Volapuk(sp?) speakers left.
I think "a few" pretty well covers the ground. :-) When i
investigated it (briefly) it seemed more "natural"-looking
but also more complicated, and it never really got a look-in
against E.
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In article <199702221...@zetnet.co.uk>,
Derek Lavin <sl...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
Well done both. Five ppoints each duly distributed. Now, given how
simple that was to translate, isn't that a point in it's favour?
No? <sigh> Didn't think so.
Stig M. Valstad
"bobbi" <bo...@thecafe.co.uk> wrote:
>On the subject of this whole vegetarian thing can someone tell me......
>
>What is the point in being the top of the food chain if your only prepared
>to eat green stuff?
What do you mean, 'top of the food chain'? Don't you have polar
bears and wolves and animals like that where you live?
Tom De Mulder
Victoria Martin wrote:
(propably because of Quantum)
>> >Some of it contains blood. No, seriously. And gelatinous stuff extracted
>> >from the hoofs of cows and horses.
>I *think* it's only red wine, but i will stop off at my friendly local
>Oddbins at some point over the weekend and ask them for the full low-down
>on nasties in wine (you get some pretty yucky pesticides as well, if the
>grapes aren't organic).
I'm pretty sure that this is more an exception than a rule. <g> I've
visited some vineyards, and once made my own wine, and that contained
nothing but grapes. (Overijse, where I live, was until about a decennium
ago, known as Belgium's "grape region").
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Michael "The Roach" Janszen wrote:
(propably because of Quantum)
>is NOT a vegetable. It's a fungus. Vegetarians only refuse to eat
>parts (and products, sometimes) of the animal kingdom, not mentioning
>that they willingly go for minerals and completely neglecting the
>third (forth?) kingdon - fungi - when they say they only eat
>vegetables.
I consider myself a vegetarian because I don't eat meat, not because I only
eat vegetables. (OK, I admit, I sometimes eat meat when there's no
alternative, e.g. when going to a restaurant OSLT)
Margaret Tarbet
#>One can look at the costs involved. I have seen
#>convincing arguments that Esperanto is a great deal easier
#>to learn than English
A sample. Quite easy to read, afaiak, tho i can't say that
i recall seeing all the x chars before. Maybe they're a
virtual accent that i don't remember, or a bug, or the
orthog has changed.
A person could derive most of the grammar rules just from
this passage alone, i think!
(Esperanto --- STATUTO: soc.culture.esperanto)
soc.culture.esperanto estas novajxgrupo por diskuti en aux
pri Esperanto, pri gxiaj kulturo, politiko, historio, kaj
cxiaj temoj ordinare diskutataj en "soc.culture."-
novajxgrupoj.
Esperanto (planlingvo iniciatita en 1887) estas parolata en
pli ol 100 landoj cxirkaux la mondo. Gxi ne apartenas al
specifa nacio aux geografia areo, tamen gxi havas ricxan
kulturon inkluzive literaturon, periodajxojn, kunvenojn,
vojagxadon, korespondadon, slangon, folkloron, sciencon,
radion, teatron, kaj, pli moderne, aktivajxojn en la Reto.
Inter la temoj bonvenaj en soc.culture.esperanto trovigxas
(ne nur): la esperanta kulturo en cxiuj gxiaj formoj, la
esperantaj komunumo kaj movado, aktualaj eventoj, kaj,
kompreneble, la lingvo mem, kaj ankaux diskutoj rilate
aliajn planlingvojn. (Tamen, oni evitu kverelacxojn pri kiu
planlingvo estas "pli bona".)
Preferata lingvo de soc.culture.esperanto estas Esperanto.
Komencantoj estas speciale instigitaj afisxi en Esperanto,
eventuale dulingve en Esperanto apud sia denaska lingvo.
Afisxoj alilingvaj sen rilato al Esperanto konsideratas
ekstertemaj. Afisxantoj al soc.culture.esperanto konsciu la
tutmondan disvastigxon de la grupo kaj supozu ke ne cxiu ano
komprenas la anglan.
Paul Mabbs
On Mon, 24 Feb 1997, Stig M. Valstad wrote:
> "bobbi" <bo...@thecafe.co.uk> wrote:
> >On the subject of this whole vegetarian thing can someone tell me......
> >
> >What is the point in being the top of the food chain if your only prepared
> >to eat green stuff?
>
> What do you mean, 'top of the food chain'? Don't you have polar
> bears and wolves and animals like that where you live?
Oh sure, and the assorted things that have a go when you start going all
green and slimy. No, humans are at the top of the food chain because
there is nothing which (naturally) hunts humans for food. Sure, you get
the odd lion attack and the like, but most animals are either peaceful,
or terrified of us. When was the last time you had to run for your life
because a polarbear was stalking you with a 2.2 riffle?
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Stig M. Valstad wrote:
>
> "bobbi" <bo...@thecafe.co.uk> wrote:
> >On the subject of this whole vegetarian thing can someone tell me......
> >
> >What is the point in being the top of the food chain if your only prepared
> >to eat green stuff?
>
> What do you mean, 'top of the food chain'? Don't you have polar
> bears and wolves and animals like that where you live?
Nope, not in Oklahoma, except in zoos. The top of the food chain here is
occupied by mosquitos, ticks and chiggers.
-Rock
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