Two Crafty questions.
Robert Hyatt
Daryl Lakes <dla...@inetdirect.net> wrote:
>1. I have Crafty 8.17 and I notice when I type 'd' the board display is all
>messed up. It worked ok in my older version.
>
This happened to several people. My workstation was suffering from temporary
insanity that day, due to playing around with my Linux machine and adding PPP
to the sun. As a result, when I made up the .zip and .tar files, somehow I
managed to get about 2/3 of the new version (8.17) and about 1/3 of 8.16
source. Unfortunately, I changed piece numbering in 8.17 to match what I
used in Cray Blitz. The fix is to re-download 8.17 which was fixed about 8
hours after the bad code was put there. Sorry for the glitch, but I still have
no idea how it happened. All I can tell you is that my SUN decided that its
IP address was 0.0.0.0, which probably aborted the upload (actually just a copy
to an NFS mounted filesystem) from my linux box.
>2. Is there a graphic interface for Crafty for Win3.11/Win95? I heard that
>Winboard has been modified for Crafty. Anyone know where it can be FTP'ed? The
>only Winboard I know is for GNU chess.
>Thanks.
Crafty can "emulate" gnuchess by saying "crafty ics". It's not perfect, but it's
good enough to fool xboard which I use under Unix/linux/etc all the time. I don't
personally use windoze (sorry, couldn't resist... :) ) so I can't answer whether
winboard will work or not. If someone has time to try it, I'll do my best to help
you get it working and modify my source (if needed) so others can use it. A
windoze (:) ) interface is second only to a DOS GUI in my request file...
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Tim Mann
>2. Is there a graphic interface for Crafty for Win3.11/Win95? I heard that
>Winboard has been modified for Crafty. Anyone know where it can be FTP'ed?
>The only Winboard I know is for GNU chess.
To my knowledge WinBoard has not been modified for Crafty---yet. I
plan to do this when I fold support for Crafty into the main line
version of xboard/WinBoard. I don't know yet when I will find time
for this, but I hope to do it soon.
If someone *else* has modified WinBoard for Crafty, I would like to
know about it. I doubt anyone has, but then again, it would not be
too hard to fold Bob's changes to xboard into WinBoard, if you were to
start with the version of WinBoard that matches (has the same version
and patchlevel number) as the version of xboard that Bob started with.
Assuming you could find a copy of that version...
--Tim Mann
author of WinBoard
Robert Hyatt
-->In article <48bb32$a...@rob.inetdirect.net>, dla...@inetdirect.net (Daryl Lakes) writes:
-->>2. Is there a graphic interface for Crafty for Win3.11/Win95? I heard that
-->>Winboard has been modified for Crafty. Anyone know where it can be FTP'ed?
-->>The only Winboard I know is for GNU chess.
-->
-->To my knowledge WinBoard has not been modified for Crafty---yet. I
-->plan to do this when I fold support for Crafty into the main line
-->version of xboard/WinBoard. I don't know yet when I will find time
-->for this, but I hope to do it soon.
-->
-->If someone *else* has modified WinBoard for Crafty, I would like to
-->know about it. I doubt anyone has, but then again, it would not be
-->too hard to fold Bob's changes to xboard into WinBoard, if you were to
-->start with the version of WinBoard that matches (has the same version
-->and patchlevel number) as the version of xboard that Bob started with.
-->Assuming you could find a copy of that version...
-->
--> --Tim Mann
--> author of WinBoard
-->
The only problem I see is that I need "long long" to make crafty work as is. A
couple of people are looking at porting to C++ to create overloaded operators
to handle long longs... Does winboard and gcc "speak"???
one other question, Tim: Have you heard of a smaller chessboard for xboard? I'm
running Linux on my pentium notebook with a 640x480 LCD color screen. -size small
is *nearly* full screen. medium overflows the screen, and large is, of course,
completely useless. size-small is ok for playing, but I want something even smaller
for observing crafty so I can do something else. Is there such an animal, say
-size tiny? :)
Bob
Paul Rubin
Robert Hyatt <hy...@willis.cis.uab.edu> wrote:
>Crafty can "emulate" gnuchess by saying "crafty ics". It's not
>perfect, but it's good enough to fool xboard which I use under
>Unix/linux/etc all the time.
Interesting. How do they compare in playing strength on
similar hardware? Thanks.
Martin Borriss
In article <48ecfa$4...@pelham.cis.uab.edu>, hy...@willis.cis.uab.edu (Robert Hyatt)
writes:
[...]
> Crafty can "emulate" gnuchess by saying "crafty ics". It's not perfect, but it's
> good enough to fool xboard which I use under Unix/linux/etc all the time.
Sorry for being to lazy to look it up myself:
Is this gnuchess emulation thing documented in crafty? What sourcefile
is it in?
As far as I remember it is a little tiresome to find out what output to
expect from gnuchess _within xboard_ (correct me if I am wrong..).
Martin
[...]
Robert Hyatt
>In article <48ecfa$4...@pelham.cis.uab.edu>,
>Robert Hyatt <hy...@willis.cis.uab.edu> wrote:
>>perfect, but it's good enough to fool xboard which I use under
>>Unix/linux/etc all the time.
>
>similar hardware? Thanks.
I will honestly plead ignorant here. Months ago crafty was better than gnu on my sun
sparc-2. gnu was faster, but played positionally poor moves freqquently. I assume
that someone has played many games like this? Any results (even if they are bad...:) )
Robert Hyatt
Martin Borriss <mb...@irz.inf.tu-dresden.de> wrote:
>
>In article <48ecfa$4...@pelham.cis.uab.edu>, hy...@willis.cis.uab.edu (Robert Hyatt)
>writes:
>
>[...]
>
>> good enough to fool xboard which I use under Unix/linux/etc all the time.
>
>Is this gnuchess emulation thing documented in crafty? What sourcefile
>is it in?
>As far as I remember it is a little tiresome to find out what output to
>expect from gnuchess _within xboard_ (correct me if I am wrong..).
>
>Martin
>[...]
>
>--
>Martin....@inf.tu-dresden.de
Sorry... it's not "well documented" I assumed that anyone interested in the
"gnuchess" emulation would already understand what gnuchess was sending to
xboard.
My plans include ripping this junk out before long, and making a clean xboard
interface for Crafty. I want all of the "zippy" interface moved into crafty so
it can understand how to accept matches, accept draws (like it now offers them)
as well as keep up with other things that go on. It'll take time, of course,
which is a rare commodity nowadays... :)
the main interface problems that crafty handles is (a) the restricted algebraic
move input required by xboard (e2e4 instead of e4 for example, or e4d5 rather
than ed, which crafty normally uses) (b) the gnu-like "level" command to set up
for ICC time controls (c) the "time" and "otim" commands to get correct time
from ICC via zippy, (d) the "edit" command to set up a position, rather than
using Forsythe which is now a "standard" and (e) handling a couple of real
kludges dealing with a bizarre use of the "force" command that I'm too
embarassed to even discuss. :)
In any case, the "interface" is *not* complete... playing crafty yourself
through xboard is o.k., but almost none of the "xboard buttons" work, which
is annoying. This, too, shall pass. :)
Lloyd Lim
Robert Hyatt <hy...@willis.cis.uab.edu> wrote:
>In article <phrDI6...@netcom.com>, Paul Rubin <p...@netcom.com> wrote:
>>
>>Interesting. How do they compare in playing strength on
>>similar hardware? Thanks.
>
>I will honestly plead ignorant here. Months ago crafty was better than gnu on my sun
>sparc-2. gnu was faster, but played positionally poor moves freqquently. I assume
>that someone has played many games like this? Any results (even if they are bad...:) )
I played 2 games for kicks at 60/5 with pondering off in both. They tied 1-1.
Interestingly, gnuchess rarely used the full 5 seconds. I'm not sure if
the timing algorithm is meant to be that way, or if I set it up wrong
somehow.
Hopefully, someone else has played more games than this.
+++
Lloyd Lim Lloy...@limunltd.com
Lim Unlimited http://www.limunltd.com/