FS: 1 bedroom house, Chesterton, Cambridge
Andrew Watson
Mid-terrace, 1 bedroom, bathroom, kitchen, living/dining room. Gas central
heating. Parking space, small rear courtyard/garden. Located in quiet
cul-de-sac, one mile from Science Park along Milton Road:
http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?overviewmap=ap&pc=CB41PW
No chain. Contact Andrew on 01223 510449 or and...@omg.org to arrange viewing.
Jón Fairbairn
> Pakenham Close, Chesterton, Cambridge, 100,000 UKP
>
> Mid-terrace, 1 bedroom,
I used to think that "Pakenham" was pronounced "packin' 'em" :-)
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Jón Fairbairn Jon.Fa...@cl.cam.ac.uk
Paul Rudin
Jón> and...@omg.org (Andrew Watson) writes:
>> Pakenham Close, Chesterton, Cambridge, 100,000 UKP
>>
>> Mid-terrace, 1 bedroom,
Jón> I used to think that "Pakenham" was pronounced "packin' 'em" :-)
That's what comes of missing out the acutes :-)
(What is the general term to describe all those bit of character
decoration like acute, circumflex, cedilla, umlaut, etc. ? Is it as
boring as "accents"? )
John Rickard
: (What is the general term to describe all those bit of character
: decoration like acute, circumflex, cedilla, umlaut, etc. ? Is it as
: boring as "accents"? )
Diacritics.
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John Rickard <John.R...@virata.com>
Jón Fairbairn
> (What is the general term to describe all those bit of character
> decoration like acute, circumflex, cedilla, umlaut, etc. ? Is it as
> boring as "accents"? )
Diacritic[al] marks, I think, except where the thing is a character in
its own right. In German ö is o-umlaut, in Swedish it's just a
different letter.
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Jón Fairbairn Jon.Fa...@cl.cam.ac.uk
Tim Ward
news:wf8zdrl...@calligramme.cl.cam.ac.uk...
> Paul Rudin <paul....@ntlworld.com> writes:
>
> > (What is the general term to describe all those bit of character
> > decoration like acute, circumflex, cedilla, umlaut, etc. ? Is it as
> > boring as "accents"? )
>
> Diacritic[al] marks, I think, except where the thing is a character in
> its own right. In German ö is o-umlaut, in Swedish it's just a
> different letter.
Is there a generic name for things like "ch" where they are a separate,
single, letter in some languages?
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Richard Meredith
t...@brettward.co.uk (Tim Ward) wrote:
> Jón Fairbairn <j...@cl.cam.ac.uk> wrote in message
> news:wf8zdrl...@calligramme.cl.cam.ac.uk...
> > Paul Rudin <paul....@ntlworld.com> writes:
> >
> > > (What is the general term to describe all those bit of character
> > > decoration like acute, circumflex, cedilla, umlaut, etc. ? Is it as
> > > boring as "accents"? )
> >
> > Diacritic[al] marks, I think, except where the thing is a character in
> > its own right. In German ö is o-umlaut, in Swedish it's just a
> > different letter.
>
> Is there a generic name for things like "ch" where they are a separate,
> single, letter in some languages?
A ligature?
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> Is there a generic name for things like "ch" where they are a separate,
> single, letter in some languages?
I'm not sure what you are getting at. "Letter" would seem to serve the
purpose, "non-English/non-European letter" if you want.
Or are you getting at the fact that the sound we write ch is a
consonantal diphthong (= tsh)? So ng wouldn't be an example?
The general term for a squiggle that one sees as one letter is a
grapheme.
If you mean it the other way round (which might make more sense now I
come to think of ti), digraph (two characters representing a single
sound). Though in that case "ng" or "sh" would be better examples
since "ch" is two characters representing two sounds, just not the
ones one might expect!
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Jón Fairbairn Jon.Fa...@cl.cam.ac.uk
Jón Fairbairn
> In article <44YD7.46081$a14.5...@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com>,
> t...@brettward.co.uk (Tim Ward) wrote:
>
> > Jón Fairbairn <j...@cl.cam.ac.uk> wrote in message
> > news:wf8zdrl...@calligramme.cl.cam.ac.uk...
> > > Paul Rudin <paul....@ntlworld.com> writes:
> > >
> > > > (What is the general term to describe all those bit of character
> > > > decoration like acute, circumflex, cedilla, umlaut, etc. ? Is it as
> > > > boring as "accents"? )
> > >
> > > Diacritic[al] marks, I think, except where the thing is a character in
> > > its own right. In German ö is o-umlaut, in Swedish it's just a
> > > different letter.
> >
> > Is there a generic name for things like "ch" where they are a separate,
> > single, letter in some languages?
>
> A ligature?
That would be things like ć or [ffl]* where two or more letters are
joined together. It's a printing/graphical thing, which isn't what Tim
was talking about, I think.
* Can't do that one in ISO-8859-1!
--
Jón Fairbairn Jon.Fa...@cl.cam.ac.uk
Tim Ward
> "Tim Ward" <t...@brettward.co.uk> writes:
>
> > Is there a generic name for things like "ch" where they are a separate,
> > single, letter in some languages?
>
> I'm not sure what you are getting at. "Letter" would seem to serve the
> purpose, "non-English/non-European letter" if you want.
Might be just "letter", I suppose. I'm thinking of a language in which the
dictionary sort order is something like
a, b, c, d, e, f, g, h, ch, i, ...
or whatever.
Jón Fairbairn
> Jón Fairbairn <j...@cl.cam.ac.uk> wrote in message
> news:wf4rofl...@calligramme.cl.cam.ac.uk...
> > "Tim Ward" <t...@brettward.co.uk> writes:
> >
> > > Is there a generic name for things like "ch" where they are a separate,
> > > single, letter in some languages?
> >
> > I'm not sure what you are getting at. "Letter" would seem to serve the
> > purpose, "non-English/non-European letter" if you want.
>
> Might be just "letter", I suppose. I'm thinking of a language in which the
> dictionary sort order is something like
>
> a, b, c, d, e, f, g, h, ch, i, ...
If that's ch-written-as-a-single-grapheme then I'd go with letter. If
it's like ll in Spanish, I'd go with "anomaly"*:-). FWIW, ö collates
after z in Swedish (with ä and å, but I have to look it up to find the
order . . . a-zåäö)
--
Jón Fairbairn Jon.Fa...@cl.cam.ac.uk
* and emacs says "ANOMALY is correct"
Paul Oter
> "Tim Ward" <t...@brettward.co.uk> writes:
>
> > Is there a generic name for things like "ch" where they are a separate,
> > single, letter in some languages?
>
> I'm not sure what you are getting at. "Letter" would seem to serve the
> purpose, "non-English/non-European letter" if you want.
>
> Or are you getting at the fact that the sound we write ch is a
> consonantal diphthong (= tsh)? So ng wouldn't be an example?
>
I presumed that Tim was referring to the fact that ch and ll are considered
to be single letters in Spanish (which affects collating order - in my
Spanish dictionary, "Costa Rica" appears before "Chocolate", which is the
opposite to the English order).
As you say, "letter" appears to be the word to use. As in the sentence "the
fourth letter of the Spanish alphabet is ch"
Paul
Paul Oter
> rmer...@cix.dontspamme.co.uk (Richard Meredith) writes:
>
> > In article <44YD7.46081$a14.5...@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com>,
> > t...@brettward.co.uk (Tim Ward) wrote:
> >
> > > Jón Fairbairn <j...@cl.cam.ac.uk> wrote in message
> > > news:wf8zdrl...@calligramme.cl.cam.ac.uk...
> > > > Paul Rudin <paul....@ntlworld.com> writes:
> > > >
> > > > > (What is the general term to describe all those bit of character
> > > > > decoration like acute, circumflex, cedilla, umlaut, etc. ? Is it
as
> > > > > boring as "accents"? )
> > > >
> > > > Diacritic[al] marks, I think, except where the thing is a character
in
> > > > its own right. In German ö is o-umlaut, in Swedish it's just a
> > > > different letter.
> > >
> > > Is there a generic name for things like "ch" where they are a
separate,
> > > single, letter in some languages?
> >
> > A ligature?
>
> joined together. It's a printing/graphical thing, which isn't what Tim
> was talking about, I think.
>
Agreed. Though in Norwegian, æ is considered to be a single letter - the
27th in the alphabet, after z (but before ø and å)
Paul.
Jón Fairbairn
> I presumed that Tim was referring to the fact that ch and ll are considered
> to be single letters in Spanish (which affects collating order - in my
> Spanish dictionary, "Costa Rica" appears before "Chocolate", which is the
> opposite to the English order).
Ah, that one. Didn't they recently decide to stop doing this?
--
Jón Fairbairn Jon.Fa...@cl.cam.ac.uk
Jón Fairbairn
> Agreed. Though in Norwegian, æ is considered to be a single letter - the
> 27th in the alphabet, after z (but before ø and å)
Hah, so in Swedish it goes zåäö, but in Norwegian zæøå? It must be
deliberate to confuse foreigners! (å=å, æ=ä, ø=ö, approx)
--
Jón Fairbairn Jon.Fa...@cl.cam.ac.uk
Tim Ward
>
> If that's ch-written-as-a-single-grapheme then I'd go with letter. If
> it's like ll in Spanish, I'd go with "anomaly"*:-). FWIW, ö collates
> after z in Swedish (with ä and å, but I have to look it up to find the
> order . . . a-zåäö)
Sigh! I knew all this stuff once upon a time, but haven't done any serious
work in this area for a while.
Remember the Computer Science Tripos exam question: "Explain why even
experienced programmers have difficulties with character sets"?[1]
[1] For those who don't: This question is reputed to have been set
originally some time in the 1960s, expecting an essay about 5 track
flexowriter escape codes (that's five track paper tape), and it would be
repeated every few years. In the early 1970s you were probably expected to
write an essay about the gaps in the alphabet in EBCDIC; in the mid 1980s
you might have written an essay about DOS code pages; now you might write
about the politics of the Unicode standardisation process, or, if you were
really brave, about how the hell to get strange characters into the
"subject" line of an email. Good entertainment value for the examiners for
very little creative effort.
Olov Wilander
> > "Tim Ward" <t...@brettward.co.uk> writes:
> >
> > > Is there a generic name for things like "ch" where they are a separate,
> > > single, letter in some languages?
> I presumed that Tim was referring to the fact that ch and ll are considered
> to be single letters in Spanish (which affects collating order - in my
> Spanish dictionary, "Costa Rica" appears before "Chocolate", which is the
> opposite to the English order).
>
> As you say, "letter" appears to be the word to use. As in the sentence "the
> fourth letter of the Spanish alphabet is ch"
This reminds me: What is the status of `ij' in Dutch? I've had the
impression that it counts as one letter, but I don't really know.
/olov
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Paul Oter
Yes, I do remember hearing about that, now you mention it. Since 1994 the
letters ch, ll and ń, whilst still being separate letters, are no longer
treated specially for alphabetization purposes. So my comment above is no
longer correct. Must get a new dictionary.
Paul.
Paul Oter
> "Paul Oter" <PaulNOTTH...@pobox.co.uk> writes:
>
> > Agreed. Though in Norwegian, æ is considered to be a single letter - the
> > 27th in the alphabet, after z (but before ø and å)
>
> Hah, so in Swedish it goes zåäö, but in Norwegian zæøå? It must be
> deliberate to confuse foreigners! (å=å, æ=ä, ø=ö, approx)
>
Yes. But at least Danish and Norwegian are consistent.
Paul
Jón Fairbairn
> Yes, I do remember hearing about that, now you mention it. Since 1994 the
> letters ch, ll and ñ, whilst still being separate letters, are no longer
> treated specially for alphabetization purposes.
What about Welsh? (Full of vitamins ll ff and ach, like a mouthful of
wet washing, isn't it? :-)
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Tony Sayer
Oter <PaulNOTTH...@pobox.co.uk> stuck his oar in and spake thus
Wass all this to do about the sale of a house then.....
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Tim Ward
news:vZMoIEBq...@bancom.co.uk...
>
> Wass all this to do about the sale of a house then.....
This *is* cam.misc. You new here or sommat :-) ?
Tony Sayer
Ward <t...@brettward.co.uk> stuck his oar in and spake thus
Don't we just know it.....
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Tony Sayer
Matthew Vernon
> What about Welsh? (Full of vitamins ll ff and ach, like a mouthful of
> wet washing, isn't it? :-)
Mmm.... phlegm.
Matthew
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http://www.pick.ucam.org
Paul Treadaway
=?iso-8859-1?q?J=F3n?= Fairbairn says...
>Or are you getting at the fact that the sound we write ch is a
>consonantal diphthong (= tsh)? So ng wouldn't be an example?
What, precisely, is a "consonantal diphthong"? Presumably you are
looking for a word which is to consonants as diphthong is to
vowels (since it means two vowels 'pronounced together')?
Richard Meredith
(=?iso-8859-1?q?J=F3n?= Fairbairn) wrote:
> rmer...@cix.dontspamme.co.uk (Richard Meredith) writes:
>
> > In article <44YD7.46081$a14.5...@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com>,
> > t...@brettward.co.uk (Tim Ward) wrote:
> >
> > > Jón Fairbairn <j...@cl.cam.ac.uk> wrote in message
> > > news:wf8zdrl...@calligramme.cl.cam.ac.uk...
> > > > Paul Rudin <paul....@ntlworld.com> writes:
> > > >
> > > > > (What is the general term to describe all those bit of character
> > > > > decoration like acute, circumflex, cedilla, umlaut, etc. ? Is it
> > > > > as
> > > > > boring as "accents"? )
> > > >
> > > > Diacritic[al] marks, I think, except where the thing is a character
> > > > in
> > > > its own right. In German ö is o-umlaut, in Swedish it's just a
> > > > different letter.
> > >
> > > Is there a generic name for things like "ch" where they are a
> > > separate,
> > > single, letter in some languages?
> >
> > A ligature?
>
> That would be things like æ or [ffl]* where two or more letters are
> joined together. It's a printing/graphical thing, which isn't what Tim
> was talking about, I think.
I was thinking about Danish and Norwegian as I wrote that.
Richard Meredith
t...@brettward.co.uk (Tim Ward) wrote:
> Jón Fairbairn <j...@cl.cam.ac.uk> wrote in message
> news:wfvggvk...@calligramme.cl.cam.ac.uk...
> >
> > If that's ch-written-as-a-single-grapheme then I'd go with letter. If
> > it's like ll in Spanish, I'd go with "anomaly"*:-). FWIW, ö collates
> > after z in Swedish (with ä and å, but I have to look it up to find the
> > order . . . a-zåäö)
>
> Sigh! I knew all this stuff once upon a time, but haven't done any serious
> work in this area for a while.
>
> Remember the Computer Science Tripos exam question: "Explain why even
> experienced programmers have difficulties with character sets"?[1]
>
> [1] For those who don't: This question is reputed to have been set
> originally some time in the 1960s, expecting an essay about 5 track
> flexowriter escape codes (that's five track paper tape), and it would be
> repeated every few years. In the early 1970s you were probably expected to
> write an essay about the gaps in the alphabet in EBCDIC; in the mid 1980s
> you might have written an essay about DOS code pages; now you might write
> about the politics of the Unicode standardisation process, or, if you were
> really brave, about how the hell to get strange characters into the
> "subject" line of an email. Good entertainment value for the examiners for
> very little creative effort.
Bong. Baudot (telex teleprinter) code was the 5 bit one with shift codes:
Flexowriter codes, I'm pretty sure, was 7 bit, but not the same as ASCII.
Natural Philosopher
Richard Meredith wrote:
> Bong. Baudot (telex teleprinter) code was the 5 bit one with shift codes:
Yes, it was, and its horrid.
> Flexowriter codes, I'm pretty sure, was 7 bit, but not the same as ASCII.
Hmm. I think it may have been actually..
I think it was 7 bit + parity?
>
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Robert Macmillan
t...@brettward.co.uk (Tim Ward) wrote:
> Remember the Computer Science Tripos exam question: "Explain why even
> experienced programmers have difficulties with character sets"?[1]
>
> [1] For those who don't: This question is reputed to have been set
> originally some time in the 1960s, expecting an essay about 5 track
> flexowriter escape codes (that's five track paper tape), and it would be
> repeated every few years. In the early 1970s you were probably expected
> to write an essay about the gaps in the alphabet in EBCDIC; in the mid
> 1980s you might have written an essay about DOS code pages; now you
> might write
> about the politics of the Unicode standardisation process, or, if you
> were really brave, about how the hell to get strange characters into the
> "subject" line of an email. Good entertainment value for the examiners
> for very little creative effort.
Gosh, I wish I was a CST examiner.
RObert
Jón Fairbairn
OED:
diphthong
d. transf. Applied to a combination of two consonants in one
syllable (consonantal diphthong), especially to such
intimate unions as those of ch (t) and dg or j (d), in church,
judge.
:-Þ
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Jón Fairbairn Jon.Fa...@cl.cam.ac.uk
Jón Fairbairn
> Richard Meredith wrote:
> > Flexowriter codes, I'm pretty sure, was 7 bit, but not the same as ASCII.
>
> Hmm. I think it may have been actually..
> I think it was 7 bit + parity?
Yes, except it had £ and a few other things where ASCII has its own
parochial symbols. (IIRC)
--
Jón Fairbairn Jon.Fa...@cl.cam.ac.uk
Hugo 'NOx' Tyson
Or just "fl" or "fi", "ffi" too.
Exactly; ct is a popular ligature, but I don't think any language has a
singly glyph for "ct", because it is *not* a special sound, it's just "ct".
I'm not sure ae and oe count though, they're more diphthongs aren't they?
I mean, typographically they are ligs, but they exist independently as
special vowel sounds even in handwriting, right?
I think the name for "ch" is digraph - though that doesn't specify that
other languages have a single glyph for it, just that it's parsed and
pronounced as a gestalt, nothing like in a portmanteau word such as
"manic-hat", were there such a thing. Or stannichat, as worn by soldiers.
- Huge
Sion Arrowsmith
>Wass all this to do about the sale of a house then.....
Nobody's interested in buying houses at the moment. Specifically, no-
one's interested in buying http://www.pocock.co.uk/camcity/9659.htm,
although it might be helped if they could be bothered to fix the HTML.
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Mike Pitt
Olov Wilander <ko...@cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>This reminds me: What is the status of `ij' in Dutch? I've had the
>impression that it counts as one letter, but I don't really know.
It seems to be interchangebale with the letter y. Which kind of makes
sense. (when I write ij in my usual scrawl it looks like a y[0] with 0, 1
or 2 dots in the vague area.)
As example consider v Nistelrooij/v Nistelrooy. The Dutch tend to use
the former, English the latter.
Mike
[0] To those who have tried to read my handwriting: "how I write y".
Tony Sayer
<si...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> stuck his oar in and spake thus
>Tony Sayer <tony@bancom_nilspamus_.co.uk> wrote:
>>Wass all this to do about the sale of a house then.....
>
>Nobody's interested in buying houses at the moment. Specifically, no-
>one's interested in buying http://www.pocock.co.uk/camcity/9659.htm,
>although it might be helped if they could be bothered to fix the HTML.
>
Try dropping the price then.....
--
Tony Sayer
Sion Arrowsmith
>In article <XoD*CY...@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>, Sion Arrowsmith
>>one's interested in buying http://www.pocock.co.uk/camcity/9659.htm,
>>although it might be helped if they could be bothered to fix the HTML.
>Try dropping the price then.....
I already have done. Twice.
Tony Sayer
>>In article <XoD*CY...@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>, Sion Arrowsmith
>>>Nobody's interested in buying houses at the moment. Specifically, no-
>>>one's interested in buying http://www.pocock.co.uk/camcity/9659.htm,
>>>although it might be helped if they could be bothered to fix the HTML.
>>Try dropping the price then.....
>
>I already have done. Twice.
>
For that matter have you had that much interest?....
Suppose you could try Tuckers, they do seem to shift them , well around
this way South side of Cam....
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Tony Sayer
Richard Watts
Sion Arrowsmith <si...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>Tony Sayer <tony@bancom_nilspamus_.co.uk> wrote:
>>Wass all this to do about the sale of a house then.....
>
>Nobody's interested in buying houses at the moment. Specifically, no-
>one's interested in buying http://www.pocock.co.uk/camcity/9659.htm,
>although it might be helped if they could be bothered to fix the HTML.
I get the feeling that the rot set in some time back: the house next
to us (124/5 Gilbert Road) was put on the market sometime in July,
and still hasn't apparently sold - the asking being about L250k. I
think it's just that the low end of the market has become subject
to the same disease lately ...
Richard.
Al Grant
news:jnZD7.46416$a14.5...@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com...
> I presumed that Tim was referring to the fact that ch and ll are
considered
> to be single letters in Spanish (which affects collating order - in my
> Spanish dictionary, "Costa Rica" appears before "Chocolate", which is the
> opposite to the English order).
But the Spanish don't write CHocolate, in the way that the
Dutch write IJsselmeer, do they?
Paul Treadaway
Fairbairn says...
>OED:
>diphthong
>
> d. transf. Applied to a combination of two consonants in one
>syllable (consonantal diphthong), especially to such
>intimate unions as those of ch (t) and dg or j (d), in church,
>judge.
Hmm. Well since a diphthong has a well-defined technical meaning, and what
that describes isn't a diphthong, I think that usage should be avoided
in technical discussions.
Jón Fairbairn
That's why I used the noun phrase rather than just the noun. You
haven't given me any better ideas either.
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Jón Fairbairn Jon.Fa...@cl.cam.ac.uk
Dr M Lohr
The combinations /tS/ and /dZ/ in English ("ch", "j/dg") are generally
termed affricates by linguists (likewise German "pf" and "ts").
Affricates are stop consonants with a fricative release at the same
position of articulation. Less closely-linked sequences of stop +
fricative, or other groups of consonants, can be more generally termed
consonant clusters.
Jón Fairbairn
> The combinations /tS/ and /dZ/ in English ("ch", "j/dg") are
> generally termed affricates by linguists (likewise German "pf" and
> other groups of consonants, can be more generally termed consonant
> clusters.
Thanks.
--
Jón Fairbairn Jon.Fa...@cl.cam.ac.uk
Paul Treadaway
>paul.tr...@dial.pipex.com (Paul Treadaway) writes:
>> Hmm. Well since a diphthong has a well-defined technical meaning, and what
>> that describes isn't a diphthong, I think that usage should be avoided
>> in technical discussions.
>That's why I used the noun phrase rather than just the noun. You
>haven't given me any better ideas either.
No need to now that Dr Lohr has. Of course you could have just looked it
up.
Jón Fairbairn
> No need to now that Dr Lohr has. Of course you could have just looked it
> up.
Yeah, sure. Finding a better word for "consonantal diphthong" is an
effort that can be described in that fashion.
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Jón Fairbairn Jon.Fa...@cl.cam.ac.uk
Paul Treadaway
>paul.tr...@dial.pipex.com (Paul Treadaway) writes:
>> No need to now that Dr Lohr has. Of course you could have just looked it
>> up.
>Yeah, sure. Finding a better word for "consonantal diphthong" is an
>effort that can be described in that fashion.
Well, lets see. Starting your web browser and pointing it to www.google.com -
no more than 20 keystrokes, probably less. Typing in an obvious search
expression, say: linguistic terminology - 23 keystrokes. Selecting the first
match (http://sps.k12.mo.us/khs/linguistics/lingtrms.htm) and viewing it - say
2 keystrokes, plus a few page ups/downs - call it 50 in total.
So in answer to your question: yes. Indeed, the 100 or so keystrokes required
to type:
>Yeah, sure. Finding a better word for "consonantal diphthong" is an
>effort that can be described in that fashion.
and post it to cam.misc, was considerably greater.
Jón Fairbairn
> In article <wfr8r1a...@calligramme.cl.cam.ac.uk>, =?iso-8859-1?q?J=F3n?= Fairbairn says...
> >paul.tr...@dial.pipex.com (Paul Treadaway) writes:
> >> No need to now that Dr Lohr has. Of course you could have just looked it
> >> up.
> >Yeah, sure. Finding a better word for "consonantal diphthong" is an
> >effort that can be described in that fashion.
>
> Well, lets see. Starting your web browser and pointing it to www.google.com -
> no more than 20 keystrokes, probably less. Typing in an obvious search
> expression, say: linguistic terminology - 23 keystrokes. Selecting the first
> match (http://sps.k12.mo.us/khs/linguistics/lingtrms.htm) and viewing it - say
> 2 keystrokes, plus a few page ups/downs - call it 50 in total.
> So in answer to your question: yes. Indeed, the 100 or so keystrokes required
> to type:
> and post it to cam.misc, was considerably greater.
wrong metric.
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Jón Fairbairn Jon.Fa...@cl.cam.ac.uk
Paul Treadaway
says...
>wrong metric.
Well I certainly can't think of a metric in which it would be more effort
to look up the right answer than it was for you to look up your loose usage
in the OED.