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Ezekiel Krahlin
wrote:
>Are you saying that
>those images of Druids standing in a circle around Stonehenge, was a group
>of homosexuals getting ready to pull up their robes and go to it.
How dare you equate us gays with sexual addiction, perversion, and
promiscuity? Just because I claim that most religions were started by
gay women and men, does not mean they are sexually promiscuous. That
is a form of homophobia, which defines homosexuals as sex addicts.
>Seems to me if you can't keep your sexual preferences out of something as
>simple as these written messages, it would be the same thing in real life.
Gay rights is not a mere question of sexual preference...as I have
pointed out numerous times already. It is the right to love another of
the same sex...as friends, lovers, spouses, and confidants. Yet hetero
society persists in persecuting us for what they take for granted:
fulfilling relationships.
It is all too clear that you (and many others) in these non-Christian
newsgroups *do need to be educated on the gay issue...yet you refuse
to admit this. If your sorry and ignorant situation were not true,
then you would not see "gay" as just a matter of sexual preference.
Thus, proving my point, that KKKristians are not the only ones
terribly ignorant and biased regarding gay people. You pagans/wiccans
and other alternative types are just about as sick with homophobic
notions, as are Jesus Nazis.
>Must everything circle around the feelings you have for other men??? When
>I lurk in the distance and read these messages I see a war going on.
Indeed...and I am the rare gay who addresses directly, this war that
society has declared upon all homosexuals...yet refuses to admit this.
It started with the signing with DOMA, and continues with the most
recent act of hatred upon us, with the crucifixion of Matthew Shepard.
I am appealing to the *few true Druid and other practitioners of
magicke, to join in beating back the beast of homophobia...by starting
with those in your own religious/spiritual affiliations. It is your
duty to flush your belief system of intrinsic homophobia...as failing
to do so is a willfull participation in the blood being drained from
gay people in this violent society. Stop pointing at KKKristians, when
you have your own housecleaning to do. (Remove the mote from your own
eye, please.)
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Lord Dul'jin
Ezekiel Krahlin <ezek...@my-dejanews.com> wrote in article
<36626db2...@nntp.sj.bigger.net>...
Ezekiel, to be quite honest with you, I really don't think that many people
care if someone is gay. I've worked with people who are gay, and everyone
else treats them with the same respect as someone who is "straight." Sure,
there are a small percentage of people who are homophobes. Just leave them
alone and they'll leave you alone. Just get on with your life and leave
people alone who can't accept the fact that not everyone has the same
principals and values.
Blessed Be,
Lord Dul'jin
^Harlequin^
Ezekiel Krahlin <ezek...@my-dejanews.com> wrote
> It is all too clear that you (and many others) in these non-Christian
> newsgroups *do need to be educated on the gay issue...yet you refuse
> to admit this.
Ok now we have you as the gay spokesperson for the entire newsgroup, you
tell us we are all homophobes, even including the homosexuals in the
Newsgroups, which you dont respond to. Ok, so we are being told that we
are the scum of the earth, and that we should just all jump of a cliff...
Ok, so If a heterosexual came up and told you that you needed to educate
yourself on the fact that not everyone is against your views, but then told
you where everything that is wrong with society and that you should be
bashed to death, would you take this person seriously on the fact that you
need to educate yourself?
The Saint
the Apple from Steve and NOT from Eve-) and that's how the Homosomo
evolution started. Steve having lost his Apple to the snake he then eat
Adams cherry and on! and on! until Adam said to Steve, "Behold ö dirty
mongrel" and gave him a thumb, and that's how the Homosomo bashing
started.
Cont...
*C*
The Saint
and he doesn't want to change it! When someone or something is
not like him he feel threaten and he has to make the changes to
others he can't accept himself.
*C*
Lord Dul'jin wrote:
> Ezekiel Krahlin <ezek...@my-dejanews.com> wrote in article
> <36626db2...@nntp.sj.bigger.net>...
> > On 10 Nov 1998 04:52:24 GMT, "Mary Anne" <ROWAKA...@prodigy.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Are you saying that
> > >those images of Druids standing in a circle around Stonehenge, was a
> group
> > >of homosexuals getting ready to pull up their robes and go to it.
> >
> > How dare you equate us gays with sexual addiction, perversion, and
> > promiscuity? Just because I claim that most religions were started by
> > gay women and men, does not mean they are sexually promiscuous. That
> > is a form of homophobia, which defines homosexuals as sex addicts.
> >
> > >Seems to me if you can't keep your sexual preferences out of something
> as
> > >simple as these written messages, it would be the same thing in real
> life.
> >
> > Gay rights is not a mere question of sexual preference...as I have
> > pointed out numerous times already. It is the right to love another of
> > the same sex...as friends, lovers, spouses, and confidants. Yet hetero
> > society persists in persecuting us for what they take for granted:
> > fulfilling relationships.
> >
> > It is all too clear that you (and many others) in these non-Christian
> > newsgroups *do need to be educated on the gay issue...yet you refuse
Lord Dul'jin
ezek...@my-dejanews.com
"*-><><>*-<> *" <">-"> wrote:
> Good advice but he can't do that, why? because that's HIS LIFE
> and he doesn't want to change it! When someone or something is
> not like him he feel threaten and he has to make the changes to
> others he can't accept himself.
I live in a world, where my very existence is threatened, for being a known
gay. I have no need to fabricate any paranoic notions...as the reality is
already just like a nightmare.
Your statement (above) only reflects the shallow reasoning of one who cannot
cope with the urgent and complex tragedy that is homophobia. By default, you
are part of this problem.
What I *really want to get down to, is why certain non-Christians still think
homosexuality is "wrong"...which types we have encountered here, in these
pagan and alternative-religion newsgroups. This is what I presently am
addressing...and is beyond both your intellect and your heart.
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"Lord Dul'jin" <mysti...@msn.com> wrote:
> Ezekiel, to be quite honest with you, I really don't think that many people
> care if someone is gay.
That's not honest at all...that's deception, attempting to trivialize gay
hatred, and stifle gays who consider being more politically aggressive.
> I've worked with people who are gay, and everyone
> else treats them with the same respect as someone who is "straight."
In your small circle, that may be true...but it certainly does not apply to
the world at large (particularly, Amerika).
>Sure, there are a small percentage of people who are homophobes.
Liar. The vast majority of U.S. citizens maintain strongly gay-hateful
stances...which goes beyond just the Religious Reich.
> Just leave them alone and they'll leave you alone.
Leave them alone? I've never bothered them...yet they go way out of their way
to threaten gay people, including myself. If you think that letting people
know you're gay is bothering those poor little, fair-minded hets...then you
either have your head buried up your rectum, or you are intentionally trying
to disempower gays.
> Just get on with your life
I am doing quite well with my life, idiot. My main calling *is to fight for
gay equality.
> and leave people alone who can't accept the fact that not everyone
> has the same principals and values.
I am aggressively challenging our society's homophobia in its many
manifestations...all of which *refuses to leave gays alone, to live out our
lives peaceably. Your attitude reflects either one who is tragically
uninformed as to the gay plight, or: one who oppresses gays through a form of
"friendly fire".
You are a rather foul person to proclaim that only a small minority has
problems with gays...while across this nation, we continue to get bashed,
terrorized, and hated in numerous ugly manners. All this, in record
proportions, with gay bashing the fastest-rising hate crime for the last
several years.
Elizabeth J. Jelich-Griffin
>
> In article <3663AC0C...@com.net>,
> "*-><><>*-<> *" <">-"> wrote:
>
> > Good advice but he can't do that, why? because that's HIS LIFE
>
> gay. I have no need to fabricate any paranoic notions...as the reality is
> already just like a nightmare.
>
> Your statement (above) only reflects the shallow reasoning of one who cannot
> cope with the urgent and complex tragedy that is homophobia. By default, you
> are part of this problem.
How do you know he cannot cope with it? Do you know how many urgent
and
complex tragedies exist in the world today? What is the current total
population for this planet (hmmm, do we include non-terrestrials
currently
resident? do we count each personality?) What percentage of this
crowd hasn't
or will experience something urgent and complex? Accept it. Join the
crowd of folks who have had this experience, in one form or another.
women voters, single parents, those non-christian, yet more Christian
in practice
than the so-called CHRISTIANS.
Non-conformists all in the true sense. Sometimes, you do get out from
behind enemy lines. You come in treating ALL as your enemy, you will
get
ALL kinds of responses.
We don't have the time to deal with your issues, we have our own of
higher
personal priority (aah, attachment).
Beth
P.S. I've been enjoying Christmas Humphreys A Western approach to Zen
recently, anyone else read this?
Elizabeth J. Jelich-Griffin
> That's not honest at all...that's deception, attempting to trivialize gay
> hatred, and stifle gays who consider being more politically aggressive.
Why must sexual orientation play into politics at all? You want
someone
to get a job done, you get the one you think will do it best. You may
choose wrong, oh well, fix-it, you may choose right, but be prepared
for at least one individual to complain about it. In a way you may
not
be capable of comprehending (due to individuality of experience and
expression :-P
> I am doing quite well with my life, idiot. My main calling *is to fight for
> gay equality.
But gays are already equal, it is only a delusion of the mind that you
need
to fight for it. Now, Freedom on the other hand. Of Speech, of
Religious
Expression, of Pursuit of Happiness (heehee, Like you really need to
chase
or seek it, heehee) (what a can or worms and wasps that last one is
;-)
But seriously. You are making assumptions about the sexual bias of
the
newsgroups. Personally, I wouldn't pass on that bit via the web. To
public, and none of us is happy with that kind of attention (well,
unless you are a masochistic exhibitionist).
>
> proportions, with gay bashing the fastest-rising hate crime for the last
> several years.
What are the exact numbers and denominations? (ratio, total numbers?
e.g. Relative or absolute?) Because the totals may be dropping,
albeit
more slowly than those of others who have been battling longer.
Beth
Martin Fitzpatrick
says...
> I live in a world, where my very existence is threatened, for being a known
> gay. I have no need to fabricate any paranoic notions...as the reality is
> already just like a nightmare.
where do you live?... must be a pretty right-wing bit of the world...
here in the uk its homophobes which are more threatened, from my
experience... people think they're childish, unreasonable, and generally
a bunch of pricks... the NF (big racist+anti-semetic+homophobic
nationalist bunch) got attacked when they tried to have a march in
London...
> What I *really want to get down to, is why certain non-Christians still think
> homosexuality is "wrong"...which types we have encountered here, in these
> pagan and alternative-religion newsgroups. This is what I presently am
> addressing...and is beyond both your intellect and your heart.
...well... i dont think homosexuality is *wrong*, and in all the people i
know, only 1 person is homophobic, and thats on a pretty low level, as in
joking "urrgh, poofs".... everyone else is perfectly ok.. and i dont mean
"ok" as in they "put up with it"... its not important... and when im
talking to people i know who are gay, the thing in my head isnt "im
talking to a gay person"... they are no different...
..i think you have a point that a lot of people thing gay people are
constantly "at it".... like the assumption that gay people must fancy you
if you're the same sex... but things are changing... (they are!!)
as for alternative-religions.. i know some people have a bit of aproblem
on the front of it going against the god-goddess/male-female 'thing'
(cant think of a better word) which is central to a lot of the
religions... but with a bit of discussion it all sorts itself out.. try
going on IRC, and having an argument there... i've done this with the
KKK can convinced someone that persecution of blacks/jews/gays was
wrong.. i think if *thats* possible, it shouldnt be too hard... (and its
kinda entertaining, if you find peeople like that "interesting"...
curious)
Martin Fitzpatrick
was.... and then i saw how annoyed everyone was with the longrunning load
of stuff.... sooo.... sorry :o)
martin fitzpatrick
ICQ# 11077801
*Chris*
Yeah here we go again! the snake was Homosomo that is why
Homosomo evolution started.
Steve having lost his Apple to the snake he then eat Adams cherry
and gave him a thumb, and that's how the Homosomo bashing and
hatred started.
I sugest to U to see a psychiatrist or even better get exorcisted by a strait
or a bend Prist - Doctor he..he..he.. in any way don't do what the snake did
to Steve!
Cont...
*C*
***
ezek...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> In article <3663AC0C...@com.net>,
> "*-><><>*-<> *" <">-"> wrote:
>
> > Good advice but he can't do that, why? because that's HIS LIFE
> > and he doesn't want to change it! When someone or something is
> > not like him he feel threaten and he has to make the changes to
> > others he can't accept himself.
>
> I live in a world, where my very existence is threatened, for being a known
> gay. I have no need to fabricate any paranoic notions...as the reality is
> already just like a nightmare.
>
> Your statement (above) only reflects the shallow reasoning of one who cannot
> cope with the urgent and complex tragedy that is homophobia. By default, you
> are part of this problem.
>
> What I *really want to get down to, is why certain non-Christians still think
> homosexuality is "wrong"...which types we have encountered here, in these
> pagan and alternative-religion newsgroups. This is what I presently am
> addressing...and is beyond both your intellect and your heart.
>
*Chris*
*Chris* wrote:
***
Yeah here we go again! The snake was Homosomo that is why
it eat the Apple from Steve and not from Eve-) and that's how the
Homosomo evolution started.
Steve having lost his Apple to the snake he eat Adams Cherry
on! and on! and on! ..until Adam said to Steve, "Behold ö dirty mongrel"
and gave him a thumb, and now the Homosomo bashing and hatred started.
I sugest to U to see a psychiatrist or even better get exorcisted by a Strait
or a bend Prist - Doctor he..he..he.. and in the mid time don't do what the snake
did to Steve! what did the snake do?...