Join the Blue Rose Militia
Ezekiel Krahlin
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Ezekiel J. Krahlin
ezek...@iname.com
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THE BLUE ROSE MILITIA (world's first *queer* militia)
Š 1997 by Ezekiel J. Krahlin
(Jehovah's Queer Witness)
(Note: The word "Thracian" is used throughout this manifesto,
as an empowering adjective intended to replace the word "Gay
Male". Likewise for "Hellenic" and "Hellene" to replace "Gay"
in general, as in "Gay Community". Credit for the idea of
"Hellenic" goes to Fireweaver, an Internet friend.)
Founded December 1, 1996 by Hellenic Rights activist
Ezekiel Krahlin (formerly Gene Catalano), The Blue Rose
Militia is a ParaNormalMilitary organization dedicated to the
defense of homosexual civil rights within the borders of the
United States Of America. It seeks to establish Northern
California as a safe haven for the homosexual populace and its
refugees...via new and inviolable federal and state laws, or
through secession and formation of a new nation. The Militia
is a loosely bound federation of community clusters throughout
the nation, whose leadership is entrusted to the inspiration
of each local group. This new alliance is born of outraged
response to President Clinton's signing of the notorious
"Defense Of Marriage Act."
The Blue Rose Militia encourages all Thracians and
Lesbians, their heterosexual supporters--and other
non-heterosexist types--to bear arms at all times, in order to
protect one's self and one's friends, from the outrageous
brutality of a homophobic populace. The Militia implores its
advocates to carry pepper spray as a minimal deterrent from
violent attacks...and supports the legal acquisition of more
serious arms for the sake of self defense.
While The Militia does encourage members and sympathizers
to bear arms, to a greater degree it supports the application
of creative genius to achieve its goals of homosexual
liberation.
To become a member: apply the emblem of a blue rose to a
camouflage jacket--wear this jacket for one full day--and you
become a member. This simple gesture indicates your sincerity
to help the cause of homosexual civil rights... and will link
your spirit to the telepathic network that is The Blue Rose
Militia. You will then--through dreams, ideas, or psychic
signals--receive inspirations to perform actions that further
Lesbian/Thracian liberation. You will also be showered with a
thousand blessings of gratitude by the angelic forces...but
that is merely frosting on the cake (or "wings on the
toaster," so to speak). Please note that if you do not
believe in angels or psychic forces, you are still welcome to
contribute your own actions to the cause. The Blue Rose
Militia respects all religions and world views--including
atheistic and agnostic perceptions--and will never reject
anyone on grounds of personal beliefs...except those that
preach malicious intent to harm others (such as Satanic,
terrorist, bible-thumping, pedophiliac, or hard drug cults).
Create your own blue rose patch on a circle of scrap
cloth two to three inches in diameter, and paint, draw, or
embroider the rose. (Or find a patch with a rose design, and
color the rose blue.) Attach to jacket with velcro or safety
pin. Or find an old political button--paint a blue rose over
the original design--and pin it on. Any other method to create
a blue rose logo is acceptable. The ideal design for the logo
is: a single sky-blue rose with lime-green stem and two
leaves, on a wine-red background. Blue stands for loyalty,
red for life force, and green for healing powers.
None of the inspirations you receive will violate your
own values and beliefs, or interfere in any significant way
with your vocation or personal relations...unless you
specifically desire to live out a more wild and free-spirited
adventure. Examples of inspired actions: financial donation
to a Hellene group, speaking out against a homophobic slur,
reading an informative book on homosexuality, freely copying
and distributing this Blue Rose Militia bulletin, reaching out
to a homosexual acquaintance, writing a letter to a newspaper,
wearing a homo-supportive T-shirt, calling a radio talk show,
participating in a pro-homosexual demonstration, attaching
pro-gay stickers to outgoing mail, or even starting or joining
an auxiliary Blue Rose Militia in your own neighborhood. You
may even have a special calling above and beyond the examples
herein...in such a case, let your conscience be your guide. I
give no further examples, in order that your inspiration may
remain unfettered, and your imagination soar!
The Blue Rose Militia places absolute trust into the
hands of anyone so inspired...and requires no report from any
member, or conferral, before he or she takes action. Should a
member choose to confer with another, that is fine...and for
that reason local groups may be formed and dissolved in
spontaneous fashion, without first consulting the founder or
its headquarters. Wear the blue rose logo anywhere on your
person, backpack, briefcase, or purse (camouflage jacket is
optional after the first time worn). In this manner, you will
meet other members who recognize the emblem.
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Ezekiel J. Krahlin
ezek...@iname.com
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THE ORDER OF THE BLUE ROSE
Š1998 by Ezekiel Krahlins
petals twisted around themselves
tremble to surrender to the world
a glory to be witnessed
beneath the brilliant sun
my heart is a blue rose
the chain of command
the chain of heartbreak
the rosey chain
radiates from my heart
chakra lotus blossom
4th seal of the apocalypse
spreads over eureka valley s.f.
petals tossed into a concrete pond
ripple outward
and beyond
as i fall into the arms of the
new marines soldiers of the pink triangle
army of lovers invincible
stand before the world
and the world trembles: thracians!
same sex paramours
militias skilled in the art of love
physical beauty and stamina:
all weapons to win
the heart of the enemy
to our side
or perish
provocateurs of seduction shall throw down
the garters of all governments
and the whores of cold cash
these are the thracians
and the innermost circle:
the order of the blue rose
instant death to you who scorn
any one of my beloved warriors
let this be commandment 11
legions of unicorns and winged horses
stand ready for battle
to serve as warrior steeds
the moment i give the signal
a blue rose in the window
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ezek...@iname.com
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BRING MY SOLDIER HOME TO ME
or
THE FLOWER OF VIET NAM
Š 1997 by Ezekiel J. Krahlin
My heart is over-tired, so I must sing this song:
Bring my soldier home to me; he's been gone too long.
Oh, bring my soldier home to me, with a smile on his face,
And a tear or two for me and you, as we march in place.
Oh, bring my soldier home to me; his home is in my heart!
Armageddon is The Wedding; know your part.
Oh, bring my Daddy home to me; I am his only son!
Uncleave my heart, unsheathe my tongue!
Plowshares to swords, faggots to Huns!
Butter to bullets, bread to guns!
(Gay Revolution has begun!)
Oh, bring my lover home to me; the Starving Vet of
Eighty-Four!
I nursed him back in Wash., D.C.; that's why he's still
alive!
Oh, bring my father home to me; the Light is drawing near!
Yea, though I dally in Eureka Valley, I shall have no fear!
Oh, bring my Randolph home to me; the coffee's on the stove!
His tears that fell for all Nam Vets have made His Wish
betrothed!
-----finis
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I cum like a thief in the night!
The Final Testament, a Bible by and for Gays only:
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Mikka
> THE BLUE ROSE MILITIA (world's first *queer* militia)
It's not that I have anything against gays or whatever, but PLEASE STOP
POSTING THIS STUFF IN PAGAN NEWSGROUPS! IT DOESN'T BELONG HERE!
Paul
mroog...@my-dejanews.com
ezek...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>Off topic drivil<
...
Go away.
Have a nice day.
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Struck
>Ezekiel Krahlin wrote:
>
>> THE BLUE ROSE MILITIA (world's first *queer* militia)
>
>POSTING THIS STUFF IN PAGAN NEWSGROUPS! IT DOESN'T BELONG HERE!
>
>Paul
HERE, HERE!!
BB
-Deb-
trad...@softcom.net
them go away?
Jim Bright Thunder
Mikka wrote:
> Ezekiel Krahlin wrote:
>
> > THE BLUE ROSE MILITIA (world's first *queer* militia)
>
Izzy
1 X 2 Willows
Struck schrieb in Nachricht
<6UuV1.1163$3z2.1...@news3.atl.bellsouth.net>...
>>POSTING THIS STUFF IN PAGAN NEWSGROUPS! IT DOESN'T BELONG HERE!
>>
>>Paul
>
>BB
>-Deb-
The quote is 'hear, hear' and Paul is absolutely right.
At least in a.r.d., I don't expect to find any more posts from this militant
beareye.
Dan T. Felber / One next to Willows
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"If people would only talk about what they comprehend,
the world would become a very silent place." - Albert Einstein
^Harlequin^
trad...@softcom.net wrote in article <36268AA3...@softcom.net>...
> That is exactly how Native Americans feel about Christians. Can we make
> them go away?
>
> Jim Bright Thunder
>
>
I just have to hear this explanation..
Nexx
trad...@softcom.net wrote in article <36268AA3...@softcom.net>...
> That is exactly how Native Americans feel about Christians. Can we make
> them go away?
>
> Jim Bright Thunder
'Siyo, Jim. Believe me, if we knew a way to make the Christians stop
posting on our board, we would disseminate it far and wide to all non-Xtian
NG's. Knowledge that valuable needs to be shared for the good of all <g>
Nexx
Mikka
> That is exactly how Native Americans feel about Christians. Can we make
> them go away?
I'm sure my people (my ancestry is Gaulish/Celtic) once shared your
sentiment.
BTW, what about other newcomers, as in everyone who came to the Americas
after the 'Native Americans' did?
Remember, your people were immigrants at one time, too.
Paul
P.S. Please don't take this the wrong way, I am simply pointing out the
difference between an existing place that was colonized by several waves
of immigrants and a 'world' that was specifically designed for a
purpose, that being this newsgroup.
Sebbri
>
>> THE BLUE ROSE MILITIA (world's first *queer* militia)
>
>POSTING THIS STUFF IN PAGAN NEWSGROUPS! IT DOESN'T BELONG HERE!
>
>Paul
Excuse me Paul, are you trying to say there are no gay pagans? I am not sure
if I agree or disagree but I did read the whole body of the letter and I
perfectly understand why he posted here. I am sure if you had you would
totally agree. Not too push any buttons but you sound a little judgemental.
And we all know what type of people like to do that. If you don't like it
don't read!
Go in peace
Sebbri
Mikka
> Excuse me Paul, are you trying to say there are no gay pagans?
Not by any stretch of the imagination. I happen to know several, and get
along well with the majority of them. It is interesting, however, how
you construe my posting to be a statement that I believe there are no
gay pagans. How did you come to that conclusion?
> I am not sure
> if I agree or disagree but I did read the whole body of the letter and I
> perfectly understand why he posted here. I am sure if you had you would
> totally agree.
The way I understand netiquette, if a post isn't *specifically* relevant
to a certain newsgroup, but would have some amount of legitimate
interest to certain members of that group, you post the article
(especially if it is a long one) where it is most appropriate, and post
a reference to it in the other group(s).
While I can see as well as you why this article was posted here (and
believe me, it is really stretching the argument), that does not make
here the appropriate place for it.
> Not too push any buttons but you sound a little judgemental.
> And we all know what type of people like to do that.
> Go in peace
What an interesting set of comments. Exactly what people are those, and
how is your post not 'the pot calling the kettle black', so to speak?
Adding 'Go in peace' to the end of a deliberately antagonistic letter
does not make it any less antagonistic.
Paul
Grrr
>That is exactly how Native Americans feel about Christians. Can we make
>them go away?
>
> Jim Bright Thunder
But you know deep down, JIM, that you would regret it if you DID make
them go away.
Sheep DO make good floor-rugs and are very good to eat, despite those
few naughty sheep that jump the fence and then start eating all the
nice new saplings you have just planted.
>Mikka wrote:
>
>> Ezekiel Krahlin wrote:
>>
>> > THE BLUE ROSE MILITIA (world's first *queer* militia)
>>
>> It's not that I have anything against gays or whatever, but PLEASE STOP
>> POSTING THIS STUFF IN PAGAN NEWSGROUPS! IT DOESN'T BELONG HERE!
>>
>> Paul
Thank you, Paul.
Blessed Be
Grrr
Shez
writes
>>
>>POSTING THIS STUFF IN PAGAN NEWSGROUPS! IT DOESN'T BELONG HERE!
>>
>>Paul
>
>if I agree or disagree but I did read the whole body of the letter and I
>perfectly understand why he posted here. I am sure if you had you would
>And we all know what type of people like to do that. If you don't like it
>don't read!
>Go in peace
>Sebbri
>
>
very open minded about other peoples sexuality. after all what buisness
is it of ours, what other people do sexually in the privacy of their own
homes. love is not the last time I looked only for hetrosexuals.
The fact it is militia, was probably what decided him to say it dousnt
belong on this newsgroup, they are activists, not gay pagans.
I agree with Paul.it is not part of this ng it belongs on alt military.
this is a pagan ng not a military one.
if you look at the Faq you will find that in fact they stepped well
outside of the guidlines for posting on this group.
--
Shez sh...@oldcity.demon.co.uk
The 'Old Craft' lady http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/shez/
Ali Hassan
trad...@softcom.net wrote in message <36268AA3...@softcom.net>...
>That is exactly how Native Americans feel about Christians. Can we make
>them go away?
>
> Jim Bright Thunder
>
Hey, Jim- How many lifetime you been N.A.? ehhhhhhh?
Ali
The Saint
ggg for g
The Saint
ddd for d
Mikka wrote:
> Sebbri wrote:
>
> > Excuse me Paul, are you trying to say there are no gay pagans?
>
> Not by any stretch of the imagination. I happen to know several, and get
> along well with the majority of them. It is interesting, however, how
> you construe my posting to be a statement that I believe there are no
> gay pagans. How did you come to that conclusion?
>
> > I am not sure
> > if I agree or disagree but I did read the whole body of the letter and I
> > perfectly understand why he posted here. I am sure if you had you would
> > totally agree.
>
> The way I understand netiquette, if a post isn't *specifically* relevant
> to a certain newsgroup, but would have some amount of legitimate
> interest to certain members of that group, you post the article
> (especially if it is a long one) where it is most appropriate, and post
> a reference to it in the other group(s).
>
> While I can see as well as you why this article was posted here (and
> believe me, it is really stretching the argument), that does not make
> here the appropriate place for it.
>
> > Not too push any buttons but you sound a little judgemental.
> > And we all know what type of people like to do that.
justanobserver
Eric Floen
JUSTANOBSERVER reply, either. My guess was that they sounded kinda
Xtian, but that was it.
Blessings,
FLORA
1 X 2 Willows
> here here Saint...
>The Saint wrote in message <3629B741...@com.net>...
>>The Devil has many forms and <<shapes>>!
Holy Hindu Cow!
Again - it's 'hear,hear' and - dispite of my Sig - stop crossposting this
rubbish to 'alt.religion.DRUID', you moron
Mikka
or meaning out of the last 2 posts (by The Saint and justanobserver).
Did anyone?
Paul
Nexx
> Okay, maybe I'm stupid, but I just got absolutely nothing of any sense
> or meaning out of the last 2 posts (by The Saint and justanobserver).
>
> Did anyone?
I'm just finding it hilarious that, on a.r.d. at least, responses to the
SPAM is making up about 2/5 of the traffic. If we don't care, why do we
keep responding to it?
Nexx
Mikka
> I'm just finding it hilarious that, on a.r.d. at least, responses to the
> SPAM is making up about 2/5 of the traffic. If we don't care, why do we
> keep responding to it?
Bored?
After all, look at some of the thread trees - some of them are
ridiculously long and deep, bear no resemblance at all to the original
topic, and have devolved to absolute silliness.
Paul
Unofficial silliness contributor
:)
Gregory Gadow
> >
> >POSTING THIS STUFF IN PAGAN NEWSGROUPS! IT DOESN'T BELONG HERE!
> >
> >Paul
>
> if I agree or disagree but I did read the whole body of the letter and I
> perfectly understand why he posted here. I am sure if you had you would
> And we all know what type of people like to do that. If you don't like it
> don't read!
If the issue is of interest to any pagans, they can read it in the gay
newsgroups like alt.homosexual or soc.motss. That is why those groups exist.
--
Gregory Paul Gadow - Queer Poly Pagan Humanist
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Mikka
> If the issue is of interest to any pagans, they can read it in the gay
> newsgroups like alt.homosexual or soc.motss. That is why those groups exist.
Exactly my point. Those groups exist for the kind of posts 'Ezekiel' is
posting, so why is he posting them in:
alt.consciousness.mysticism
alt.paranormal.channeling
alt.religion.shamanism
alt.religion.wicca
alt.religion.druid
instead of doing what you just did, posting a reference to the
article(s) in the above newsgroups, then (or after) posting the actual
(very long) article(s) where they are most appropriate?
Paul
^Harlequin^
> I'm just finding it hilarious that, on a.r.d. at least, responses to the
> SPAM is making up about 2/5 of the traffic. If we don't care, why do we
> keep responding to it?
>
> Nexx
I respond because I can, and I like it this way. If someone Spams the NG
im in, Im not just gunna say, hmm some gays wanna make a militia, aint that
great, im gunna say, HEY DAMNIT WHY YOU TELLIN ME?
David Dalton
Why don't you use the pink triangle.
The blue rose is a symbol of Gaia (and other names of her) not
Gay.
However I am not anti-gay, just against the blue rose, a symbol
of enlightenment, being used as a gay symbol. (In some
eastern religions it is referred to as a blue lotus, in
a Newfoundland version of the Foggy Dew, which no doubt
once came over from Ireland, it is referred to as the rose of
Medb.) Perhaps the CIA are sponsoring it's use as a gay symbol.
I have had a blue rose vision, in 1991, but am not gay, but
instead compatible only with bisexual women of four different
types (all bi-type-3, four subtypes, as Krishna was with
Radha and three cowherd women, the four directions of the
celtic cross).
David
John Pat Patton
three subtypes ? cowherd women ?
where ya find thim cowgirls ?
uh huh
johnpat
day...@nospam.erols.com
On Fri, 23 Oct 1998 23:53:54 GMT, dal...@public.nfld.com (David
Dalton)
wrote:
>Since when has the blue rose been a homosexual symbol? It is not.
>Why don't you use the pink triangle.
The pink triangle is what Hitler forced homosexuals to wear, so like
Jews,
who were forced to wear a star with the word "Jude" (Jew), they would
be
easier to round up and murder. . .
>
>The blue rose is a symbol of Gaia (and other names of her) not
>Gay.
So what.
>
>However I am not anti-gay, just against the blue rose, a symbol
>of enlightenment, being used as a gay symbol. (In some
>eastern religions it is referred to as a blue lotus, in
>a Newfoundland version of the Foggy Dew, which no doubt
>once came over from Ireland, it is referred to as the rose of
>Medb.) Perhaps the CIA are sponsoring it's use as a gay symbol.
Now we are venturing into the reallm of conspiracy: Oh No!!! my
favorite
blah, blah is being corrupted. coopted.
>I have had a blue rose vision, in 1991, but am not gay, but
>instead compatible only with bisexual women of four different
>types (all bi-type-3, four subtypes, as Krishna was with
>Radha and three cowherd women, the four directions of the
>celtic cross).
So, get over it.
>
>David
>
>
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"*-><><>*-<> *" <">-"> wrote:
> > THE BLUE ROSE MILITIA (world's first *queer* militia)
> Are there any <<special>> requirements?
None that are not already mentioned in the original manifesto.
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Mikka
> >I have had a blue rose vision, in 1991, but am not gay, but
> >instead compatible only with bisexual women of four different
> >types (all bi-type-3, four subtypes, as Krishna was with
> >Radha and three cowherd women, the four directions of the
> >celtic cross).
>
> So, get over it.
Why should he, if he can find 4 women who will do it with him?
:)
Paul
ezek...@my-dejanews.com
Gregory Gadow <tech...@serv.net> wrote:
> If the issue is of interest to any pagans, they can read it in the gay
> newsgroups like alt.homosexual or soc.motss. That is why those groups exist.
And likewise, there is a crossover of gays into paganism, you fool.
You're a homophobe! Sorry, dude, but I guess I just don't know my own place,
do I? Which is, of course, in the closet.
ezek...@my-dejanews.com
Shez <sh...@oldcity.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Sebbri I dont think paul was upset about it being gay, most pagans are
> very open minded about other peoples sexuality.
Well, how good of them.
> The fact it is militia, was probably what decided him to say it dousnt
> belong on this newsgroup, they are activists, not gay pagans.
The Blue Rose Militia has its origins in paganistic philosophies. I am a pagan
Christian...but more largely, revere paganism more than I do Christianity.
> I agree with Paul.it is not part of this ng it belongs on alt military.
> this is a pagan ng not a military one.
And how many angels do you think can dance on the head of a pin? Or which end
of the egg should be open?
ezek...@my-dejanews.com
dal...@public.nfld.com (David Dalton) wrote:
> Since when has the blue rose been a homosexual symbol? It is not.
I had a vision, which led me to declare the blue rose as a symbol for the
world's first gay militia. In the dream, angels instructed me to sew a blue
rose in one of my window curtains. I said, "Oh, that's too difficult...can't
I paint a blue rose on a square of cardboard, then hang it in my window?" To
which they replied, "We can work with that."
During my walks the next couple days, I meditated on why this blue rose. Then
I received images of a gay militia...lovely men and women in camouflage
guerrilla uniform, with the blue rose emblazoned over their shirt pocket. And
then the phrase came to me: "Blue Rose Militia".
> Why don't you use the pink triangle.
I have news for you: we already do! But who are you to insist we gays limit
ourselves to one or two symbols? I am expanding our gay symbology and
lexicon, which includes getting away from symbols and colors that portray us
as wimpy and frivolous.
If you appreciated gay people, you would celebrate the idea of incorporating
new symbols...and not feel offended in any particular way. Gay pride is not
limited to just gay people. I once received a message from someone of Greek
ancestry, who was upset by my proposing the term "Hellenic" as an alternate
word for "gay community". I said to him, "Why aren't you *proud to have gays
use a word to which you can relate? Are you trying to tell me that you
believe there is anything shameful with the gay mystique?"
> The blue rose is a symbol of Gaia (and other names of her) not
> Gay.
Oh, so that's it! I never really could figure out the history of the blue
rose, and its spiritual significance. Apparantly, Gaia has blessed me...and
through me, the entire gay family worldwide.
> However I am not anti-gay, just against the blue rose, a symbol
> of enlightenment, being used as a gay symbol.
Oh, I see. Thanks for making it clear you are not homophobic. This sure set me
"straight".
> Perhaps the CIA are sponsoring it's use as a gay symbol.
Oh, sure it is. You believe whatever your sorry little heart wants.
> I have had a blue rose vision, in 1991, but am not gay, but
> instead compatible only with bisexual women of four different
> types
A womanizer if I've ever seen one. Surely you jest, when you claim you are
not homophobic. In conclusion, I am *glad you are bothered by the acquisition
of the blue rose into a gay symbol. After all: how many ideas and gifts were
stolen from gays by heteros, over the centuries?
All's fair in love and war!
Š1998 by Ezekiel Krahlins
---finis
--
ezek...@my-dejanews.com
day...@NOSPAM.bigfoot.com wrote:
> The pink triangle is what Hitler forced homosexuals to wear, so like
> Jews,
<snip>
> >The blue rose is a symbol of Gaia (and other names of her) not
> >Gay.
>
> So what.
Many blessings to you, Dayali! (Let us not forget the similarity in words
"gay" and "Gaia"...hmmm, is this a coincidence or what?)
ezek...@my-dejanews.com
Mikka <pbl...@home.com> wrote:
> day...@NOSPAM.erols.com wrote:
>
> > >I have had a blue rose vision, in 1991, but am not gay, but
> > >instead compatible only with bisexual women of four different
> > >Radha and three cowherd women, the four directions of the
> > >celtic cross).
> >
> > So, get over it.
>
> Why should he, if he can find 4 women who will do it with him?
Because heterosexuality is a failed experiment...and those who continue this
barbaric practice will only bring destruction onto themselves.
Myke Folkes
Or wicca for that matter, it's cross posted to the wicca newsgroup..
Think I'll hit K to ignore this thread.. =)
ttyl
-Myke
Shez
writes
> I have had a blue rose vision, in 1991, but am not gay, but
>> instead compatible only with bisexual women of four different
>> types
>
>A womanizer if I've ever seen one. Surely you jest, when you claim you are
>not homophobic. In conclusion, I am *glad you are bothered by the acquisition
>of the blue rose into a gay symbol. After all: how many ideas and gifts were
>stolen from gays by heteros, over the centuries?
>
>All's fair in love and war!
>
the number of so called prophets who have been given a vision and
changed it to suit their own bias and predudices, is huge, they dont
ever get the chance again.
You assumed since you were gay, it was only for gay people, where in
fact its for the world, geia. the earth. instead of finding out if the
image had any previouse associations, you decided and you still have to
argue that some hetrophobic god, gave you a sign to start a holy war....
against straights, douse that sound sensible to you.....
Please. spend some time considering where you managed to realy freak
out
you allowed yourself to be misled instead of listening intently you
only listened to what you wanted to hear
you twisted something simple into something complicated and hatefull
palinopsia
Myke Folkes wrote in message <363F5D7C...@icehouse.net>...
^Harlequin^
ezek...@my-dejanews.com wrote
>
>
> Many blessings to you, Dayali! (Let us not forget the similarity in words
> "gay" and "Gaia"...hmmm, is this a coincidence or what?)
Hey now, lets get PC about this. Homosexual sounds nothing like Gaia. I
suppose if you play with the cilibles to a certain extent.....
Signed
Me
PS, spelling not included
^Harlequin^
ezek...@my-dejanews.com wrote
> Because heterosexuality is a failed experiment...and those who continue
this
> barbaric practice will only bring destruction onto themselves.
>
Oh, yes, and please tell us whos experiment it is. I am so interested in
knowing.
day...@nospam.erols.com
>In article <3632b90b...@news.erols.com>,
> day...@NOSPAM.bigfoot.com wrote:
>> The pink triangle is what Hitler forced homosexuals to wear, so
like
>> Jews,
>
><snip>
>
>> >The blue rose is a symbol of Gaia (and other names of her) not
>> >Gay.
>>
>> So what.
>
>Many blessings to you, Dayali! (Let us not forget the similarity in
words
>"gay" and "Gaia"...hmmm, is this a coincidence or what?)
What. ;>p ( Although it's pronounced Guy-ya. . Like her Mother, Maia:
My-ya.)
My father 'lost' 11 members of his family to the Holocaust. His
father and Mother died in Sobibor 24 hours after they arrived there.
Grandmother was born with the /birth defect as I but in my case, it
was corrected within the first few months, and my grandfather was a
political problem. He (my father) had one cousin who was forced towear
both the star and triangle. On Yom Ha-shoah, I remember My Family and
ALL who perished. I like the Blue Rose concept. I'm doing one in the
fashion of the Tudor Rose..
Keep on Marching. Those that Walk between the Worlds understand
>
>--
>The Final Testament: a bible by and for gays alone.
>http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/
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rlblack
On Tue, 3 Nov 1998 ezek...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> Many blessings to you, Dayali! (Let us not forget the similarity in words
> "gay" and "Gaia"...hmmm, is this a coincidence or what?)
Gay means to be happy or merry.... Gaia is pronounced guy'a ... Hard g,
hard I sound and soft a sound..... gay has a hard g and hard a sound.
Homosexuals have only been called "gay" in the last century or so.... Gaia
is much older than that.
-Ronna-
rlblack
On Tue, 3 Nov 1998 ezek...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> Because heterosexuality is a failed experiment...and those who continue this
> barbaric practice will only bring destruction onto themselves.
Without herterosexuality.... you wouldn't be here bucko.
-Ronna-
Eric Floen
>
> On>
> Re. Gaia as feminine source...here is a poem dedicated to lesbians and
> women's suffrage:
>
>
> PRAYER TO ARTEMIS
>
> ©1998 by Ezekiel Krahlins
>
> Oh Artemis, Brave Artemis, Goddess of
> The Sacred Hunt, and Savior of Apollo
> (For whom Your life was sacrificed
> With others soon to follow)!
> looks up to the sky:
>
> Your blood now stains the sunset with
> virgin red-rose hues,
> Spilled across the battlefield of deep
> azures and crystal blues!
>
> ---finis
>
> ---
> God's shit doesn't stink, but everyone else's does.
> Think about it.
> ---
> I cum like a thief in the night!
> The Final Testament, a Bible by and for Gays only:
> http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/
> GodHates...@HetBeGone.com
> ---
> Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass
> for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts!
> http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm
Ok, Flora here and I finally feel like I have to say something.
Ezekiel, I've read your stuff. I've read all the Posts, both yours and
others. I belive in love Both Homo and Hetro. I've done both. I've
liked both, and I've hated both. It depends on the person you are with,
and how the energy of the situation runs. I understand your despair. I
have a friend who calls it the big, fat, hairy, honkin', ugly, lie. It
breaks his heart. This a person I am close with. When I was very much
younger, I was outed in front of a lot of people I loved, but I knew
couldn't handle it, by someone intent on seeing my soul bleed. I still
have nightmares about it.
That said, I can say pretty confidently that I identify with your
frustration, and anger, but have noticed that you are letting that
frustration cloud your judgement. In some of your retorts, I can see
how angry you are, but you have stopped LISTENING and you are reacting
to what you think people are saying, because you are making up your mind
about what they have to say, before they have finished saying it. My
mom does that.
Look I'm not writing this to make you feel bad, but honey, take some
deep yoga-breaths and calm yourself before you write. Responding from
rage accomplishes you nothing, and makes your cause look flakey. Try
dignity and moderation. Like your problem when somebody asked you to
keep your posts to ritual sex, You assumed she meant "ritually
concecrated sex" like marriage. She didn't. And if you weren't so
angry, I know you would have spotted that, too. But she had a point.
Do you have some sort of sex-magic, or worshipping routine such as
lighting a candle or saying a prayer dedicating your act to
(humanity/all homos/your Diety/or some element/a holy day) ? What are
homo holy days for you? What makes them holy, or sets them apart? What
are the rituals for those days? Is there ritual sex?
That's the kind of thing that this NG is concerned with.
Those are the things I want to know.
Try not to let this get personal, but speak of you rnew religion as if
it was already established, and answer in terms of custom, intead of
your *personal* habits. Alot of times this diffuses a difficult
arguement, and blocks an adversary from attacing you instead of facing
the issue. Never let a religious arguement (or a political one) get
personal.
Quarreling with hetros and putting them down is making you as bad as any
Queer-basher. I know that you could not possibly want to damage the
legitamacy of your cause, by allowing it to be dragged down by taking
the moral low-ground. You have created a very complex religious
organisim, but have not explained to my satisfaction what the specific
orgins of what you claim to be shamanic elements to your belief-system.
Please explain them on the NG.
I will admit that you puzzle me, persisting in annoying these people,
when you could be getting the word out to others, who would bless you
and find comfort in a gay bible for homo Christians. God knows there
are those out there that hunger for this. Why poke Harley with the
sharp stick of Queer indignation, when you could be offering the warm
blanket of love and God's acceptance to people on the Gay NG's
struggling with this very issue?
There are a lot of people that you could reach, that aren't seeing your
message. Stop wasting your time with these folks, and go out there and
make a difference! You are needed. You are wanted. Somebody will
treasure your message, but the a lot of folks here (like me) find any
Christian influence as painful as you find Hetro culture. So it's hard
for many of them to respond in a way that give them any benefit from
your message.
Think about it.
Blessings,
FLORA
Ezekiel Krahlin
wrote:
>the number of so called prophets who have been given a vision and
>changed it to suit their own bias and predudices, is huge, they dont
>ever get the chance again.
While many other prophets, seers, mystics and the like, are quite
victorious, and have presented many great gifts to our dimension.
I number among them.
>You assumed since you were gay, it was only for gay people, where in
>fact its for the world, geia. the earth.
I made no such assumption. I only followed the instructions of my
spirit guides.
>instead of finding out if the
>image had any previouse associations,
Wrong. Last year I posted to various newsgroups, my question about the
origin of the blue rose. I got very little information, except that it
has Celtic origins, and represents the mystical. Apparantly, the
revelation of the blue rose is meant to occur some time after my
establishment of it for the first gay militia.
The fact that you are not blissfully *honored to have an ancient
symbol acquired by a spiritual gay group, makes you seem rather
tight-assed, to say the least. What's wrong with owning a symbol to
glorify a wondeful group of people? Seeing as heteros inevitably steal
every creation from gay people, we have no choice but to take back
some things for ourselves.
This reminds me when I started using the word "Hellenic" as an
alternative to "Gay Community" (as suggested by FireWeaver, an
Internet acquaintance). Someone e-mailed me, quite upset, for she was
of Hellenic (Greek) descent...and resented my using it to represent
gay people. I replied: "Why on earth don't you feel honored? Gays are
beatiful people. Consider this a compliment."
To this day, homophobes remain perturbed over homosexuals owning the
word "gay"...as if we gays were violating some sort of heterocentric
precedent. And as if heteros never stole anything from gay people (in
addition to our gonads and ovaries).
>you still have to
>argue that some hetrophobic god, gave you a sign to start a holy war....
>against straights, douse that sound sensible to you.....
No, what you say makes no sense to me.
>Please. spend some time considering where you managed to realy freak
>out you allowed yourself to be misled instead of listening intently
I'm glad you're not the last word in this matter! If so, this world
would be a most sorry place. And in many certain ways, it is. I have
spent plenty of time, meditating upon the blue rose, before finally
declaring it an insignia of my militia.
>only listened to what you wanted to hear
>you twisted something simple into something complicated and hatefull
Spare me your baggage of tripe.
It's overripe.
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REGARDING THE WORDS "HELLENE" & "THRACIAN"
Š 1997 by Ezekiel J. Krahlin
(Jehovah's Queer Witness)
Someone posted a private e-mail regarding my use of a new word
for "gay". Here is the account of my response, that others
may enjoy what was shared.
.........................................
At 08:05 PM 3/20/97, someone wrote:
>Please advise, when, by whom Thracian was first used
>to denote gay or queer. It sounds to me, a slight
>knowledge of classical Greek in background,
>like a sensible alternative for "gay" people or
>tendencies, which do not conform to the usual
>stereotypes - but who does, anyway...
Thank you for your interest. The idea to use "Thracian" as an
alternative for "gay male" came from one person, and one
person alone: me. I was thinking about a Greek word to mirror
the one we already have for "gay female", which is, of course,
"Lesbian". So I first tried to find a Greek island that
sounded good, but I didn't. I laughed when I thought of the
island Crete, for surely "Cretan" was not a good word. Then I
thought of different towns and cities...but alas, nothing
seemed right there, either. Then I decided to examine regions
of Greece, especially in the ancient eras.
During this research, I learned that ancient Macedonia--which
gave birth to our magnificent Alexander the Great--was
originally called "Thrace" by the ancient Greeks. (Later,
after calling it Macedonia, they called the region further
east, "Thrace".) Thrace and Macedonia both have a rich
cultural influence mixed with the great history of Hellenic
and Hellenistic cultures. So "Thracian" became the word I
decided to use...both for all GayFolk (males and females), as
well as for gay men specifically.
An Internet acquaintance, Fireweaver, suggested we use the
term "Hellenic" (instead of Thracian) for all GayFolk, and
reserve "Thracian" as a specific alternative to "gay men". I
found that to be an excellent idea, as it would eliminate the
chauvinist application of "gay" to define homosexual women and
men, as well as just the men. So now, we have this lovely
triad: Hellenic, Lesbian, Thracian. I have begun using
"Hellenic" and "Hellene" per Fireweaver's wonderful
suggestion.
>I would like to hear in more detail, what you
>mean by Thracian? Is it just another word
>to contrast with common usage - or do you
>mean something specific to certain "gay" tendencies?
I mean "Thracian" as common usage, not as something to
describe a particular type of gay person. However, this word
does instill a more dignified sense of the homosexual
male...with a hint of the warrior. And this, I do like.
To me--as well as to others--"gay" comes off as another
stereotype word that creates an expectation of homosexual men
to behave flighty like a butterfly. I now quote from my
recent essay, "New Declaration Of Independence":
---begin quote
...I propose the new label "Thracian" over "gay male," to
symbolize the new-found empowerment of the homophile community
in this century's closing decade. The word "gay" perpetuates
a stereotype of ourselves as flighty, emotional, and
frivolous...not to be taken seriously, as a citizen, as a
human being, or as anything else! (Surely, women have a
similar complaint against male chauvinists.)
"Lesbian" is a beautiful term for the homosexual female;
as its name comes from a Greek Island with a rich, classical
history. The region of Thrace also has a great history, and
likewise plays an honored role in Hellenic culture...hence I
coin the term "Thracian" for those who are commonly thought of
as "gay male"...."Hellenic" can be the general term for both
homophile women and men, who are sick of the belittling and
ineffectual descriptor, "gay".
---end quote
>Thank's for your consideration
Not at all. I encourage all Hellenes to come up with
additional, graceful and dignified words to add to our very
limited lexicon. Any society that reveres, respects, or loves
something...usually has many words as subtle variations on the
object of that love. And very few words are provided for those
things a society cares little about. I believe as we enter
the age of global village extended societies, that many doors
of diversity will open up for our Lesbian/Thracian
family...and it's only up to us to grasp the opportunities,
and reinvent ourselves in much greater and brighter ways.
-----finis
Ezekiel Krahlin
>On Yom Ha-shoah, I remember My Family and
>ALL who perished. I like the Blue Rose concept. I'm doing one in the
>fashion of the Tudor Rose..
>
>Keep on Marching. Those that Walk between the Worlds understand
I must forge ahead...regardless of those who resist me. This is
because I carry a brilliant torch, of which I am most proud to bear,
and present to the world, that all may be blessed. And I am gay.
A poem from The Faggot Bible:
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BRING MY SOLDIER HOME TO ME
or
THE FLOWER OF VIET NAM
Š 1997 by Ezekiel J. Krahlin
My heart is over-tired, so I must sing this song:
Bring my soldier home to me; he's been gone too long.
Oh, bring my soldier home to me, with a smile on his face,
And a tear or two for me and you, as we march in place.
Oh, bring my soldier home to me; his home is in my heart!
Armageddon is The Wedding; know your part.
Oh, bring my Daddy home to me; I am his only son!
Uncleave my heart, unsheathe my tongue!
Plowshares to swords, faggots to Huns!
Butter to bullets, bread to guns!
(Gay Revolution has begun!)
Oh, bring my lover home to me; the Starving Vet of
Eighty-Four!
I nursed him back in Wash., D.C.; that's why he's still
alive!
Oh, bring my father home to me; the Light is drawing near!
Yea, though I dally in Eureka Valley, I shall have no fear!
Oh, bring my Randolph home to me; the coffee's on the stove!
His tears that fell for all Nam Vets have made His Wish
betrothed!
Ezekiel Krahlin
>i dont know why you bother with xtianity any way, theyre the ones who say
>you are an abomination and want to see you wiped off the face of the earth
Eliminate Christianity, and you still have the world majority desirous
of annihilating homosexuals. The Islam empire comes to mind. Even so:
eliminate *all conventional religions, and you still have a largely
homo-hateful world. Consider the two major atheist nations of the
former USSR, and the still-existant China: have their non-god
philosophies favored gays in any way? Hardly. In fact, their
homophobia is every bit as virulent as that arising from Christian and
Islamic faiths.
I understand the great atheist activist, Madeline Murray Ohare, was
quite gay-hateful. I have met any number of atheists who are
homophobic, claiming that homosexuality is "not natural".
The animosity displayed in these "alternative religious and
paranormal" groups also do not show much favor towards gay
participants...as if you only want your spiritual philosophies to be
heterocentrically dominant.
>like soddom and gomorah, get your own religion, then create a ng and post
>your shit there.
I *am creating a new relgion for gay people only...and doing so by
speaking out, as well as by other methods. I cannot abide by your
suggestions, as they are merely another way of telling me to go back
in the closet. Part of the weaving of this new, gay religion, is my
presentation into various newsgroups...all reactions of which shall
one day become one of the books in this, The Final Testament. So think
carefully before you type: else you may be forever emblazoned in
sacred text as a hetero fool.
>ps, my sister is gay, and i love her very much, but she dont push it in my
>face, so why should i let a complete stranger do it to me.
I will pray for your sister...she has a terrible burden to bear. It is
likely that the all-pervasive hetero intimidation has coerced her--or
brainwashed her--to remain silent about her own perspective. She is
suffocating in such a heartless and dogmatic environment. What you
call "love" for her is highly dubious.
Ezekiel Krahlin
wrote:
>Gay means to be happy or merry.... Gaia is pronounced guy'a ... Hard g,
>hard I sound and soft a sound..... gay has a hard g and hard a sound.
>Homosexuals have only been called "gay" in the last century or so.... Gaia
>is much older than that.
Ahh, but Gaia is timeless...and has her way with making ends meet. Do
not underestimate our creator...as she can easily place words in
ancient texts, that only make sense thousands of years later. If she
so wishes...and I believe she has. Gaia is gay!
Ezekiel Krahlin
>> Because heterosexuality is a failed experiment...and those who continue
>>this barbaric practice will only bring destruction onto themselves.
>
>Oh, yes, and please tell us whos experiment it is. I am so interested in
>knowing.
The same one who created the dinosaurs. They were hetero, too.
Ezekiel Krahlin
wrote:
>Without herterosexuality.... you wouldn't be here bucko.
Nonsense. I just wouldn't be on this particular homo-hateful planet,
is all. God did not need to bone a lady, in order to get the creation
underway. Heterosexuality is just one among many options, which our
Lord has chosen for procreation of life. In Genesis, one of the curses
put on Eve was to bear children in pain, sorrow, and blood. It was not
a blessing.
As evolved spirits, we will be able to create new humans by deep forms
of meditation among two or more intimate lovers. Physical procreation
shall be a thing of the past...much to everyone's relief.
Nonetheless, just because one might be dependent on a hetero union for
one's birth into a world...gives no right to the parents to abuse any
of their offspring for turning out homosexual. And to make a crude
statement that we gays wouldn't be here were it not for heteros...is a
form of intimidation (not to mention plain ignorant).
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THE ORIGINAL SIN: HETEROSEXUALITY
© 1998 by Ezekiel J. Krahlin
It was Adam and Eve who committed the original sin...says so
right there in The Old Testament, you know, "The Good Book",
"The Bible." GENESIS CHAPTER THREE. Adam and Eve were what? A
man and a woman, you know, as in "heterosexual." Original sin
wasn't created between two men or two women, you know, "Adam
and Steve" or "Madame and Eve."
Adam and Eve broke God's law: they "knew" each other, as in
"had intercourse", as symbolized by the eating of the apple in
the tree of knowledge of good and evil. They "knew" each
other: they "knew evil". How obvious, how simple. God had
other plans for human procreation...to create new beings from
our hearts and minds, just as God and the angels do. But when
this law was broken, he condemned heterosexuals to give birth
in an inferior way, just like animals...in blood, feces, and
pain.
Genesis 3:16
Unto the woman He said, I will greatly multiply
thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou
shalt bring forth children...
All other sins are mere spinoffs of the original sin: The sin
between a man and a woman, the sin of heterosexual conjugal
relations. It's there, right there in The Good Book...and no
one can erase or alter that fact as plain as the nose at the
end of your face.
No true homosexual woman or man would ever *dream* of
violating that most fundamental of God's law. We are
persecuted by the descendants of Adam and Eve: heterosexuals.
Straight, homophobic bible-thumping idiots who are *jealous*
that we Lesbians and Thracians will never have to answer to
God for that original, most heinous of all sins: for we are
FREE FROM ORIGINAL SIN! Hallelujah, my gay sisters and
brothers, hallelujah to us all!
-----finis
Ezekiel Krahlin
>Hey now, lets get PC about this. Homosexual sounds nothing like Gaia. I
>suppose if you play with the cilibles to a certain extent.....
Re. Gaia as feminine source...here is a poem dedicated to lesbians and
women's suffrage:
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PRAYER TO ARTEMIS
Š1998 by Ezekiel Krahlins
Oh Artemis, Brave Artemis, Goddess of
The Sacred Hunt, and Savior of Apollo
(For whom Your life was sacrificed
With others soon to follow)!
Perseus had wrought a silver belt made
From Medusa's Snake, for You to wear
Around Your waist to grant complete
protection
From blow or slash of club or sword,
or any other weapon.
In Armageddon You did fight battle after
battle:
Chaste, courageous in Your might,
Standing strong within the light...
Unstained, unslain, unharmed, and
undefeated.
Yet the final skirmish had not been
played
When Apollo lay wounded, dying, flayed,
Blood streaming from His valiant chest--
For the Beast of Lies had done his best
To doom the God of Healing to dark,
eternal rest!
Unswerving in Your heart with courage
like no other,
You gird the silver belt around Your
dearest brother.
Upon that act You were suddenly flung
Beneath the hooves of Satan's steed,
And died...unnoticed, unshrouded,
unsung.
Apollo rose to conquer all,
In this, the last, and greatest,
war.
To honor You, a sister true, each eve He
prays and faces west,
The direction in which You died.
Tears do grace His handsome face as He
looks up to the sky:
Your blood now stains the sunset with
virgin red-rose hues,
Spilled across the battlefield of deep
azures and crystal blues!
---finis
---
Ezekiel Krahlin
<ras...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>If I remember my stories correctly, didn't the "Arabian Nights" mention a
>"blue rose of forgetfulness"?
Fascinating. Thanks for the tidbit of info. I believe that my blue
rose emblem may represent awakening and remembrance, rather than
forgetfulness. Or it may represent the forgotten tribe: gay people.
>Maybe we should forget the whole thing too.
>
>Wolfman
That's your problem. Don't forget the blue roses that appeared at the
end of the Beatles movie "Yellow Submarine".
Ezekiel Krahlin
>did I not just say except ritual sex? You answer me with examples of religious
>sex and call me ignorant? sounds to me like we agree on this one! But ANY type
>of sexual intercourse in everyday life aside from religion, has NO PLACE IN A
>RELIGIOUS NG!
Oh, really now? You sound like a Jesus Nazi who claims sex outside of
sanctified marriage is wrong. You just added your own Druid twist to
it...though it comes down to the same old, same old: replacing
"marriage" with "ritual". How dare you imply that my gay sex is
inferior or inappropriate, because not ritual? How dare you impose
your interpretation of what is ritual sex, and what is not? How dare
you imply that anything about my sexuality is vulgar, mundane, or less
than what you perceive as "ritual"?
>I take it you have sex outside of religious ritual?
How would you know anything about my sex life? In fact, the only kind
of sex I have is one that is with God's blessing. You may not
interpret my sexual and romantic trysts as "ritualistic"...though in
my book, they certainly are. Put that in your faerie ring and smoke
it! And keep your nose out of my ass-crack while you're at it.
My love for my brothers flows directly from the white light...which
guides me in tender ways that respect the relationship, and nurture
it. My sexual energies always spring from a divine revelation...I
never go to sex clubs or the like.
>I dont discuss my sex life in here, why should I have to listen to you talk about
>yours?
I'm *not discussing my sex life...and that is terribly obvious
already. I am bringing up the *gay issue, as it is interpreted by
myself, in a spiritual and religious manner that is *alternative to
conventional viewpoints...and thus is most appropriate for groups such
as Druid and Shaman ones.
My revelations about the gay mystique come through in various essays
and manifestos, including "The New Declaration of Independence", "The
Blue Rose Militia" and "HomoReligiosity"...to name but a few. My
spirit guides are many, but the major ones arise from the following
sources: Druid/Celtic, Greek/Norse, Gnostic Christian, Zen Buddhist,
and Native American.
You insistance that gay rights is strictly a sexual matter--hence
inappropriate--is vulgar and erroneous for two reasons: (1) you place
sex on a less than reverential level, and (2) gay rights has more to
do with affections and partnering, than it does with sex.
To witness so-called "enlightened" people from alternative religions
(such as Druid), show as little understanding of gay issues as
conventional Christian bible thumpers...is a sad reality. Just as
healthy hetero relations are based more around intimacy, affection,
love, sharing, and friendship, than around the sexual facet...the same
applies to homosexual affairs. Yet your own residual homophobia
convinces you that when I bring up the gay issue from a spiritual
viewpoint, that I am pushing my sexual drive in your face.
The right to love another of the same sex is the fulcrum issue of gay
rights. This in no way has anything to do with vulgar or lewd
behavior. To perceive the gay agenda as lewd, is like perceiving
hetero relations as solely based on what one sees of prostitutes in
red light districts. Considering how cheaply sexual (in a hetero
fashion) are our many commercials and ads used to sell whatever
product...debasing the female as an object...and how ubiquitous this
propaganda is in every aspect of our public lives...one could easily
conclude that heteros are, by and large, intrinsically perverted. ("Do
you Yahoo?")
>What happened to privacy? modesty? or is everyone an exhibitionist
>nowadays?
You keep harping on my sex life/private life...where on earth do you
have grounds to do this? Just because I bring up the gay rights issue,
does not mean I am shoving my genitals in your face, dear! This is a
civil rights issue--as should be obvious to most anyone with a bit of
gray matter in her head--which is being made manifest via spiritual
forces relevant to the alternative-religion newsgroups to which I
post.
>and give me a break! accusing me of being prejudiced("HOMOPHOBIC") when you are
>writing a bible EXCLUSIVELY for gays? I think you are HETEROHOBIC.
How arrogant of you to accuse any gay man or woman of "heterophobia"!
Where are the gays aggressively bashing heteros? Denying them decent
jobs, housing, and social venues? For you or any non-gay person, to
label any gay as "heterophobic" is but another ploy by homophobes to
trivialize and denigrate the gay issue.
As far as the term "heterophobia"...it is invalid because nonexistant.
Whatever disgust a gay person shows towards straights is founded on
truth, not illusion...and homophobia possesses such extensive
dimensions of hatred, violence, and ignorance...that to even accuse a
gay person of heterophobia is in itself a homophobic manipulation. In
other words:
"To accuse a gay person of heterophobia, is like accusing a
concentration camp survivor of Naziphobia."
A phobia is an unfounded fear...and I assure you, oh false Druid, that
gays' fear and outrage against heteros is well founded. The centuries
of persecution we gays have endured, and still endure, has seen to
that. To even coin a term like "heterophobia" is to place it on an
equal level as "homophobia"...thus depicting gays as equally vulgar to
hetero terrorism, bashing, and villification upon homosexuals. How
dare you scapegoat me for the sins of violent, vulgar straights?
Considering the horrific rise of gay bashing/persecution in our
Amerikan society, since Clinton signed DOMA...and especially in light
of the recent, brutal crucifixion of one Matthew Shepard, a gay
man...your arrogant expression of distaste regarding my gay presence
in this group, is highly shameful and dubious, to say the list.
One would like to think that, supposedly progressive and alternative
heteros like yourself, would be reasonably gay friendly...and at least
welcome my viewpoints, and offer to incorporate them into Druidic
wisdom. Instead, you unflinchingly reject me, and accuse me of
heterophobia.
>Whatever happened to choices for everyone? If you are going to write a new bible why not
>let it benefit everyone, not just your pet group?
Because whenever even the most loftiest of ideals is geared towards
"everyone", they always manage somehow, to eliminate homosexuals from
their "all-inclusive" compassion. You hets have plenty of bibles
proclaiming your sex drive as superior. Well, I intend to change all
that, by creating a bible just for gays...and if you don't like that,
you know where to shove it, I'm sure.
Besides, my gay sisters and brothers are not my "pet group"...and I
take you implication that they are, as yet another one of your
homophobic insults. The are my children in spirit, of whom I am
greatly proud...for they have borne throughout history, the hardest
crosses of any group in the human family. And their praise and
sanctification is soon to be glorified before the world, under the
golden light of truth. Pity the poor hetero who still refuses to
express heartfelt appreciation for all the noble sacrifices homosexual
people have made, in order to save the human race from descending into
an abyss of no return. Gays are the liberators of the human race...our
holy advisors, and parents in spirit...and it is time our yoke of
suffering be removed forever. And so it shall, with or without you, my
sad little Druid princess.
>Also, the references to Jesus
>and "the Father" don't impact in this particular NG since we are
>pagans.....and as far as I know if any pagan gods or goddesses were bisexual or
>homosexual, it was accepted and revered, so you are wasting your time trying to
>flame in here with that line of reasoning.
I am putting a pagan twist to Christianity and the New Testament. This
is a method that I believe will effectively deconstruct homophobia and
other forms of bigotry that have arisen from this religion.
Interesting that you don't seem able to cite which homosexual deities
are known to you! Do me a favor, and give me a list...just to assure
the audience of your knowledge of Druid lore and history.
>Maybe we wouldnt be so turned off
>with you if you didnt post such long, irrelevant posts.
Perhaps you deem them irrelevant because you don't want your own
bubbles popped. Apparantly, your form of alternative worship has grown
brittle with conservatism itself, and has become little better than
mainstream Christianity. As for my posts being long: well, your
possessing a short attention span, as well as shunning cerebral
activity, are nothing to be proud of. My articles, and everything in
them, are all quite relevant and to the point.
>Ask if there are any
>gay druid groups or if anyone knows about gay druid practices or
>pantheons...this is a DRUID NG!
Are you saying you don't want us faggots in this newsgroup? Well, la
de da to you, dear fool. I'm here, I'm queer, I'm Druid...get fluid!
It is time for these "alternative" relgions/mythologies/cultures to
fess up to their homosexual history, and allow us to flourish amongst
all you goosey heteros. In a large percentage of religious/spiritual
wisdoms, the high priests/priestesses and other leaders were for the
most part homosexual. The lesser bearers of this lore were mostly
hetero...which includes the women with families who maintained the
knowledge of herbal cures and other remedies and wisdom. But for the
most part, the fountain of these wise ways spouted from gay women and
men. It is time for gays to claim their history, and request that
arrogant heteros give up their power to oppress...or be forced to, via
aggressive usurpation of what rightly belongs to the homosexual
spirit.
Thus, I appear in these alternative groups (though unwelcome by
many)...as a vanguard to the wave about to wash across our collective
conscious. And I assure you: the hetero agenda is dead.
>you are going to need luck if you keep insisting on this
>misdirected approach.
I have the blessings of lucky Loki...need I any more than this?
Hardly. Loki is not only one of my adivsors and protectors...he is one
good fuck. And that's because he honors me, as I do him.
The main reason for my presence in alternative-religion newsgroups, is
to announce the ascension of the gay mystique, and its healing powers
that have begun to cover the world. The energy from which this comes,
and for which I have been chosen to represent (among others who will
soon make themselves known)...comes directly from the lineage of Druid
and Celtic myth and lore...as well as from several other sources which
I have indicated above. Here is a tale from the Druid fountain of
lore, which came through my visions, and which contributes to the
veneration of our homosexual heritage from ancient Britain:
--------------------------------------------------------------
Permission granted by author for anyone to distribute this
writing free of charge (including translation into any
language)...under condition that no profit is made therefrom,
and that it remain intact and complete, including title and
credit to the original author.
Ezekiel J. Krahlin
ezek...@iname.com
--------------------------------------------------------------
BRIAN AND THE WEREWOLF
(a parable for the 21st century)
(c) 1997 by Ezekiel J. Krahlin
(Jehovah's Queer Witness)
In a time when lonely old ladies were being burned for
witchcraft and young men were tied with bundles of sticks to
light these fires, a woman died at childbirth on the edge of a
village. The child's name was Brian, because he was born in
the briars. He grew to be a lover of men; but these were
dangerous times for brotherly love. Brian therefore lived a
lonely life of heartache, and hatred for the ignorant folk
with whom he daily bargained to survive. Until he met Damien,
the werewolf.
Damien was a special werewolf, for he loved Man, and
longed for a maiden to bear a pack of frisky pups. But most
people are stupid, and fear all creatures of God's design that
they cannot tame for their own selfish needs.
It was, of course, on a night of the Full Moon that the
howling began. The townfolk bolted their doors and did not set
foot outside their cottages--except Brian, who loved
adventure. On the third Full Moon of the Howling, Brian hid
himself in the forest where he last heard the werewolf's
cries.
Brian's patience was rewarded, for there in a clearing
under the brilliance of an August Moon, appeared Damien.
"What a magnificent creature," thought Brian. "His fur
glistens with resin, and he steps around the little blossoms."
Now, the werewolf has a sharp sense of smell and keen
ears; but Brian was crouched downwind in the nettle, possessed
by the stillness of all creatures of the wood before the
werewolf howls.
Damien raised his face to the moon and pierced the night
with the cry of a soul that is damned. Tears sparkled down
the canine face, and Brian quietly wept.
The howling only ceased when the moon hung low in the
sky. Then the werewolf sat on a rock and sobbed, covering his
wet face with large, soiled hands. Brian wanted to surrender
himself to the werewolf, but he knew it was not the time.
When the werewolf vanished into the forest again, Brian
stepped into the clearing and sat on the rock, and thought.
Then he picked some clover, placed them on the rock, and went
home.
On the fourth Full Moon there was no howling, and the
villagers rejoiced. Except Brian. He crouched all night in
the nettle, but the werewolf never returned. The clover was
gone, however. But it could have been washed away by the
rain, or blown by the wind, or woven into a nest. Brian
placed another bouquet on the rock; and cried, and slept,
beside it.
When he awoke, the werewolf lay beside him. "You were
shivering," said Damien. Brian trembled in the warmth of the
werewolf's arms, and his heart leapt for joy. He nuzzled his
face in the werewolf's chest, and the scent of cedar filled
his nostrils. But when he tried to kiss the werewolf on the
nose, it leapt from their bed of rotting leaves.
"I brought you some breakfast," said Damien, and scooped
some quails' eggs from the ground. When Brian began gathering
sticks to light a fire, the werewolf grabbed his arm. "No.
Just eat them," said the werewolf, who cracked open an egg and
licked the gooey substance from the cup of his hand. Brian
smiled and ate quails' eggs until his stomach could hold no
more.
This is how Brian learned to live in the forest and find
shelter, food, and companionship, without bargaining.
"Damien," said Brian one day as they rested in a meadow
of dogwood, "I pray every night that God will turn me into a
woman, so our love would be complete."
Damien looked down at his companion whose head was
resting against his thigh. "Our love is complete," said
the werewolf, caressing the brow of his only friend.
But Brian longed to please the werewolf in more than a
filial way--and the werewolf understood. For each in his
agony had found a place in his heart to love the other.
The villagers lived without fear of the werewolf for
five, peaceful years. And Brian learned many mysteries of the
ways of nature from the tender wisdom of his friend.
Every evening, as the sun slipped below the hills of
Devonshire, Damien would sing songs on the lute that Brian
carved for him out of birch wood:
"When I saw you sleeping in the briar,
I knew you were dreaming of me.
We live in the dale of Clover-on-rock,
Beneath the cherry tree."
And under the veil of night, deep in the forest, they
embraced. Brian would whisper himself to sleep: "My dear,
beautiful, wolf friend."
One day, when Brian was gathering rosebuds for tea, he
heard Damien's howl. It came from the village.
By the time he got there, it was all over. The ignorant
folk had captured and killed the werewolf. Brian returned to
the woods and watched, all night long, the village festivities
around the bonfire to celebrate the death of his gentle
friend.
Where the blood had been spilled, now grows wolfsbane.
And for a hundred years after the murder of Brian's beloved
friend, the townfolk bolted their doors against the fullness
of the moon, and the howl of a werewolf on the edge of the
forest.
-----finis
Ezekiel Krahlin
wrote:
>I'm just wondering what this whole thread has to do with shamanism?
>
>Or wicca for that matter, it's cross posted to the wicca newsgroup..
I am crossposting to the following newsgroups:
alt.religion.druid
alt.religion.shamanism
alt.paranormal.channeling
alt.consciousness.mysticism
alt.religion.wicca
They are relevant to my articles, because I am addressing the gay
ideal as a spiritual and mystical gift that is being channeled through
my own person. I hold the honor of awakening the world to true gay
liberation, and towards paving the way for other shaman spirits who
are homosexual, and ready to bring our world into the next plane or
existence: ascencion to utopia, one that has plenty of room for all
sorts of religions and world views, including atheism.
^Harlequin^
Ezekiel Krahlin <ezek...@my-dejanews.com> wrote
<Some call it a snip, I call it a plee for whitespace rights!>
> >instead
I really don't get people. They want to be treated equal, they crave being
saw as just a human being, yet they seporate themselves, they try making
themselves above everyone else. I think its all a bunch of shit, your not
trying to gain a position equal to everyone else, you are trying to gain a
status abover thier position. It seems to me that no one wants to be just
"humans", they want to be saw as Gays, lesbians, whites, blacks, reds,
blues, greens, Irish, Mexican, Catholics, Jews, Native Americans, Dwarves.
I say this, you don't want to be equal to anything, you want to be above,
because if you wanted to be equal you wouldnt say I'm fighting for gay
rights, you would be fighting for human rights, your sexual preference just
happens to be a human trait which you are fighting to protect. AND WHY THE
HELL DO YOU NEED A MALITIA?
^Harlequin^
Ezekiel Krahlin <ezek...@my-dejanews.com> wrote
gibberish... well, to be fair...It was about gay stuff.
Really, I'm about as sick of this gay stuff as I was of the Native
Americans. Face it, you post to see your posting. Your posting is to
support a Militia, now I dont exactly know everything about shamanism, but
I dont think most shamans would stand behind a Militia. So cut it already.
^Harlequin^
Ezekiel Krahlin <ezek...@my-dejanews.com> wrote in article
<36439f80...@nntp.sj.bigger.net>...
> On Wed, 4 Nov 1998 02:39:30 -0700, rlblack <rlb...@calcna.ab.ca>
> wrote:
>
> >Without herterosexuality.... you wouldn't be here bucko.
>
> Nonsense. I just wouldn't be on this particular homo-hateful planet,
> is all.
Hey, you dont like the ride...Then get off.
Why do you have to bring your god into our NG? Tell me why I should care
about your god, your god isnt anything to me, for all I care your god is
just a fictional character. If you want to preach about having a New
Testimat to the Bible, take it to a Christian NewsGroup. If you want to
support a Gay Militia, take it to a Gay NewsGroup, or a Militant News
Group.
Gowd, I try to be understanding, I try not to pass judgement, and it just
gets harder and harder. Even if you aren't a hater, those that are being
hated dont give a shit what you are, they group you with everyone else. Go
home.
^Harlequin^
Ezekiel Krahlin <ezek...@my-dejanews.com> wrote in article
<36439f7a...@nntp.sj.bigger.net>...
> On 4 Nov 1998 01:51:52 GMT, "^Harlequin^" <ho...@radiks.com> wrote:
>
> >> Because heterosexuality is a failed experiment...and those who
continue
> >>this barbaric practice will only bring destruction onto themselves.
> >
> >Oh, yes, and please tell us whos experiment it is. I am so interested
in
> >knowing.
>
> The same one who created the dinosaurs. They were hetero, too.
>
Well hell, they must be going for two out of three. Geez maybe your god
needs to learn from mistakes a little faster, damn how many species have to
die before this guy gets things right.
^Harlequin^
Ezekiel Krahlin <ezek...@my-dejanews.com> wrote
Well I hate to tell you this, but...its not that we have a problem with
your gay sociaty, we have a problem with you...or atleast I do.
Random thought: You do know that if you put out a book named The Final
Testament, you cant have a sequal seeing as its final.
Here, I tell you what, If you can pull up the last time anyone made a
referance to thier sexual preferance before you came in with your Militia,
maybe I'll give you some credit for your post being here, not because they
have anything to do with our newsgroup but because you where trying to
troll on the vague topic.
^Harlequin^
Ezekiel Krahlin <ezek...@my-dejanews.com> wrote
>
> Oh, really now? You sound like a Jesus Nazi who claims sex outside of
> sanctified marriage is wrong. You just added your own Druid twist to
> it...though it comes down to the same old, same old: replacing
> "marriage" with "ritual". How dare you imply that my gay sex is
> inferior or inappropriate, because not ritual? How dare you impose
> your interpretation of what is ritual sex, and what is not? How dare
> you imply that anything about my sexuality is vulgar, mundane, or less
> than what you perceive as "ritual"?
>
Yes, it seems that everyone that isnt of a homosexual preferance is a
complete idiot. I consider myself a shaman, I heal and I defend. I hate
to have to defend people that are stating there own opinion. You are I
think you need to get off this persons back, this person didnt say anything
was wrong with you having sex. And why the hell would switch ritual with
marriage, they are seportate. Let us test this, it is a ritual of mine to
wake from bed and look at the clock, I never got married in he process of
waking up and looking at my clock. In no instance did I ever say the ole
"I DO", I dont think I ever say anything when I wake up.
This person said nothing of your gay sex being inferior or inappropriate...
You my friend are trying to put your inferances into this persons
mouth/fingers. I fear your Final Testament is going to reflect your
ability to infer peoples words incorrectly. You need not say anymore, go
away.
squidly
:
:It seems to me that no one wants to be just
:"humans", they want to be saw as Gays, lesbians, whites,
blacks, reds,
:blues, greens, Irish, Mexican, Catholics, Jews, Native
Americans, Dwarves.
:I say this, you don't want to be equal to anything, you
want to be above,
:because if you wanted to be equal you wouldnt say I'm
fighting for gay
:rights, you would be fighting for human rights,
A valid point. However, I'm fighting for the right of being
gay to be perceived as equal. Once it is, I'll happpily
shut up.
your sexual preference just
:happens to be a human trait which you are fighting to
protect.
And if I didn't try and protect it, how many people would
try and crush all knowledge of it ?
Shez
<ezek...@my-dejanews.com> writes
>
>As evolved spirits, we will be able to create new humans by deep forms
>of meditation among two or more intimate lovers. Physical procreation
>shall be a thing of the past...much to everyone's relief.
>
You no doubt would also be willing to give up your sex life, after all
your asking straights to, not everyone is interested in sitting around
and kidding themselves that their spirituality will create a baby.
In fact straights enjoy making babys the old fashioned way, its fun
surely you would be doing to straights what you claim is done to
homosexuals, when do two wrongs make one right.
those who attack homosexuality are usualy frightend and stupid people,
we dont do that on this ng, we are pagans, your not having to sell the
idea of homosexuals are equel , we know they are equel.
I dont care what your sexuality is, your human, but you it seems dont
think that being human is enough, You want to invent a reality in which
you are someone special, its not enough that you are unique anyway, we
all are.
Your attacking straights the same way you complain that straights are
attacking you.
You dont need an army to make people think differently, that never
works, you can make them mouth your platitudes but you cant change their
minds , you need education, compared to what it used to be like for
homosexual people, people today are becoming far more relaxed about the
idea of sexuality being personal.
all it takes is time, their will always be fantatics though, dont be one
of them, at the moment your as silly and stupid as those people who call
homosexuality a crime, and unatural, your trying to make straight sex a
crime and unatural.
You said in an earlier post, that your god made eve to suffer pain and
blood bearing children, did it ever dawn on you that this is the way
mother nature made us, not some cruel god, and that those pains are soon
forgotten when you hold your child in your arms, female animals give
birth the same way female women do, why should this god make female
animals suffer .........? might it just be that we didnt come from your
adam and eve. but from the animal kingdom, that we are the result of
millions of years of evolution, and not some crank gods, idea of
punishment.
Many women would be destroyed if they couldnt have children, its built
into them, they dont feel complete, and sitting around meditating is not
going to produce a baby, no matter how much you might want it to.
come to your senses, and use your time and passion in educating people
not in attacking those who are not attacking you.
Ashley Yakeley
ezek...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> God did not need to bone a lady, in order to get the creation
> underway. Heterosexuality is just one among many options, which our
> Lord has chosen for procreation of life. In Genesis, one of the curses
> put on Eve was to bear children in pain, sorrow, and blood. It was not
> a blessing.
Why should we care what Genesis says? Most of us pagans aren't really
interested in the bible, so we're not likely to care much about your
heterophobic exegesis.
--
Ashley Yakeley, Seattle WA
ezek...@my-dejanews.com
ludvi...@aol.com (LudvigPrin) wrote:
> ~Eliminate Christianity, and you still have the world majority desirous
> ~of annihilating homosexuals. The Islam empire comes to mind.
>
> That's absolutely hilarious. Do you know anything at ALL about Islamic
> nations? Have you ever been there? Before you spout a lie, let me tell you > >
> that I *have* been there, and male homosexuality is a very much accepted part
> of the culture.
So you've been there, big deal. You only prove how so many people do not
benefit by world travel. They may as well stay at home, considering how
uninformed they remain, even after visiting another culture. You should have
not gone there, but instead sent the travel money to someone who *would
benefit by the experience...such as myself.
I am well aware of the prevalence of homosexuality in the Islamic
world...just as it is prevalent everywhere else. This just undelines the
hypocrisy of Islamic thought. You know very well that many Islamic cultures
persecuate homosexuals...even to their death.
You are pretending the Islamic faith is non-homophobic...thus, you are merely
another homophobe attempting to divert people from the truth. And the truth
is: the Islamic world is intensely homophobic. Why don't you return to your
"friendly" Islamic hangouts, and pretend you are homosexual...let everyone
know wherever you go. I'm sure a lot of doors will be open to you, in that
fine, gay-friendly culture.
> So much for your "world full of adversaries".
Sure, right...whatever you say, homophobe.
> Has it ever occurred to you that
> nine tenths of the people you meet this day don't give a fat rat's ass about
> what you let go up your duff?
What? You define homosexuality by one single action, which is not necessarily
the choice for many gay people? Where is your awareness of the romance, love,
and fellowship so much a part of the homosexual community? You are an ignorant
and heterosexist bufoon! In other words: the same old, same old.
> Or do you just feel better thinking you're being oppressed?
I feel terrible, under this yoke of oppression. You have just added another
pile of shit to the problem...as well as demonstrated how pervasive
homophobia remains...for even those hets who pretend to be gay friendly, such
as yourself, spew lies about homosexuals in order to trivialize their
situation. You only affirm my growing belief:
The only good hetero is a dead hetero.
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for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts!
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ludvi...@aol.com (LudvigPrin) wrote:
> ~How arrogant of you to accuse any gay man or woman of "heterophobia"!
> ~Where are the gays aggressively bashing heteros?
>
> Well, how about YOU, calling heterosexuality a "failed experiment" and
> organizing a cocksucker militia to wipe us out.
First of all, we gays are not cocksuckers...we are same-sex lovers. Your
crude stereotyping of homosexuals only enforces the need to dismantle the
heterosexist regime. You are vulger, despotic creeps who refuse to allow gay
people their freedom.
Secondly: wipe you out? I never said such a thing. I did say that we gays
absolutley *must push back you creepy heteros, if we are to destroy the beast
of homophobia, and gain our freedom.
So far, you have proven to all gays and true pro-gays, that heteros at large
are indeed evil. Keep up the good work. (Of course, I consider the
possibility that you are a gay person helping me win my battle...maybe even a
member of the Blue Rose Militia, whom I have assigned this mission.)
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ludvi...@aol.com (LudvigPrin) wrote:
> ~I propose the new label "Thracian" over "gay male," to
> ~symbolize the new-found empowerment of the homophile community
> ~in this century's closing decade.
>
> "I call 'em cocksuckers. I think that spells it out."
>
> --Andrew Dice Clay
Like, what's so surprising that a homophobic comedian is adulated by a
virulently homophobic society? This is like the masses of Germany praising
Hilter. We all know where you're coming from, ludvigprin, and we have your
number. You are on The List. Enjoy your remaining days, for they are few.
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ludvi...@aol.com (LudvigPrin) wrote:
> ~Because heterosexuality is a failed experiment...and those who
> continue
> ~this barbaric practice will only bring destruction onto themselves.
>
> Yes, heterosexuality was a disappointing experiment, but only for your
parents.
If anyone in these alternative religious groups believes homophobia is not a
problem, because these groups are not Christian, I believe Ludvig Prinn's gay
hateful comments--along with ignorant and crude remarks by others
herein--points out quite clearly, how much residual homophobia does indeed
exist in these "alternative" world views.
ezek...@my-dejanews.com
ludvi...@aol.com (LudvigPrin) wrote:
> So if sex goes out of style, so do homosexuals. Why does this simple fact
> escape your pathetic condom-wrapper intellect?
Who said anything about sex going out of style? Sex can be a loving way of
sharing affection, and affirming one's devotion to his or her partner. That
is a creative form of physical touch, which will never go out of style.
It is HETERO PROCREATION that shall soon go the way of the dinosaur. I say:
Co-creation, not pro-creation.
Any more stupid questions? (Jeez, this is all too damned easy!)
ezek...@my-dejanews.com
"^Harlequin^" <ho...@radiks.com> wrote:
> Ezekiel Krahlin <ezek...@my-dejanews.com> wrote in article
> <36439f7a...@nntp.sj.bigger.net>...
> > >Oh, yes, and please tell us whos experiment it is. I am so interested> > >
> > >in knowing.
> > The same one who created the dinosaurs. They were hetero, too.
> Well hell, they must be going for two out of three. Geez maybe your god
> needs to learn from mistakes a little faster, damn how many species have to
> die before this guy gets things right.
My god? I think it's everyone's god, no matter what your belief. I only mean
"god" as the creative force behind all of existance. I believe that random
creation is part of the universe...thus experiments of all sorts go on, and
the losers fall to the wayside, while the victorious continue to evolve. (The
concept of free will also requires an element of randomness and chaos, in
order to provide us with choices to do what is right or what is wrong.)
Messages I get (I am a visionary), is that heterosexuality is doomed, and
that a new way for humans to procreate is on the way...and that gay people
will play the major role in this next step in human evolution. Since
heterosexuality has turned itself into a pseudo-religion of superiority over
homosexuality, it has outworn its welcome, being a serious threat to the
survival of our species. While gays have proven to be far less violent and
condemning...thus, the rights of procreation will soon be handed over to us
homosexuals, by the good graces of Gaia, Jehovah, Buddha, Chaos, Tao, or
whatever you call our creator.
We shall see this dramatic shift begin, before this year is out. Enjoy your
remaining few days of heterocentrism!
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"Nexx" <ne...@interkan.net> wrote:
> I stand by my original statement that Zeke is a heterophobe, who has a
> tendency to project his hatred of any sexuality but his own onto other
> people.
You stand by a false god. So be it.
"To call a gay person heterophobic, is like calling a concentration
camp survivor 'Naziphobic'." -- Ezekiel J. Krahlin
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"^Harlequin^" <ho...@radiks.com> wrote:
> Ezekiel Krahlin <ezek...@my-dejanews.com> wrote in article
> <36439f80...@nntp.sj.bigger.net>...
> > On Wed, 4 Nov 1998 02:39:30 -0700, rlblack <rlb...@calcna.ab.ca>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Without herterosexuality.... you wouldn't be here bucko.
> >
> > Nonsense. I just wouldn't be on this particular homo-hateful planet,
> > is all.
>
> Hey, you dont like the ride...Then get off.
Screw you! I prefer to fight, not run. I'm here, I'm queer, fuck off.
> Why do you have to bring your god into our NG?
I don't. My god is whatever is responsible for creation. We have many
differnet names for him, her, or it...and certainly it is big enough to
respect all world views. But, I have already defended the legitimacy of my
appearance in the alternative-religious newsgroups. I care not to rehash what
is so obvious even to simple minds.
> Gowd, I try to be understanding, I try not to pass judgement,
Then you are doing a piss-poor job of it. You may be excused.
> and it just gets harder and harder.
Jack off, and it will then get softer and softer. My writing *does tend to
give some men a rock-hard hard-on. Thanks!
> Even if you aren't a hater, those that are being
> hated dont give a shit what you are, they group you with everyone else. Go
Well, so much for your eloquent rebuttal. Where's your mind these days?
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"^Harlequin^" <ho...@radiks.com> wrote:
> Here, I tell you what, If you can pull up the last time anyone made a
> referance to thier sexual preferance before you came in with your Militia,
> maybe I'll give you some credit for your post being here,
Silence equals death. To remain silent about one's sexuality, is to assume
ipso facto, that we all are heterosexual. This is a passive suffocation of
homosexual people...considering the virulent homophobia that dwells in the
U.S.A. these days. Any hetero who does not take a strong stand in defense of
gays, is by default, the enemy. By remaining silent, and not taking a stand,
you only feed the fires of homophobia. Just as many Germans once remained
silent over the Jewish issue.
Alternative religion groups have an obligation to take a stand on behalf of
gay people...for they hold the keys to human liberation and understanding.
Unfortunately, it seems that heterocentrism and its consequential homophobia,
have overrun these groups for the most part, too. You have swept aside all
knowledge of homosexual contributions to your world views...and believe me,
they are major...so major in fact, as to be the very foundations upon which
your priests, sorcerers, and other leaders have built over many centuries.
The ultimate source of all mystical/mythical/religious origins were all born
of same-sex lovers.
Furthermore, sexual proclivity is a small part of the gay mystique...it has a
lot more to do with affections, partnering, and friendship.
Any hetero who is truly gay friendly, should be wearing a pink triangle to
support gays, or a T-shirt that says something like: "Another hetero for gay
rights." Much in the fashion of WWII Danes who wore the star of David to
confuse the Nazis, pro-gay heteros should sport some gay identification on
their person. If they do not, they should be suspect as gay-hateful. So...I
presume you are wearing a pink triangle, or pro-gay shirt? (If not, well,
then what are you afraid of? Being mistaken for a 'queer'? How pervertedly
wimpy of you!)
We are about to enter an age of holocaust against gays...and I am sending out
the alarm, for I am a belwether to this event. Many nations shall crumble on
the sole issue of homosexuality. Where will you stand? By the remarks in
these newsgroups, it seems that most will side with the KKKristians. So much
for "alternative" religions and worldviews...at least when it comes to the
gay issue.
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writing free of charge (including translation into any
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and that it remain intact and complete, including title and
credit to the original author.
Ezekiel J. Krahlin
ezek...@iname.com
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SEVEN LITMUS TESTS
Š 1997 by Ezekiel J. Krahlin
(Jehovah's Queer Witness)
So, you have straight friends--even family members,
perhaps--who are so very understanding and accepting of your
homosexuality. Or are they, really? Take a second look and
see how they stand up to the seven litmus tests I describe
herein:
1) Of course, if they accept your homosexuality, they are
most likely "liberals". And--being the good liberals they
are--they proudly wear T-shirts and decals proclaiming their
support of black people's rights, women's rights, ecological
causes, anti-nuclear slogans, et cetera. But where are their
T-shirts that say something like "Another hetero for gay
rights"? If your straight friends do not display pro-gay
icons on a regular basis--as they do for other causes--then
they are not truly supportive of your sexual civil rights.
Just as in the past, many white folks did not vocalize support
for black people from fear of being called "nigger
lovers"...many liberals are afraid of being labeled "faggot"
if they display support for gay rights. (Their loss, and your
holocaust.)
2) Your "progressive" hetero friends love to chew the fat
over political issues (see above)...yet they never seem to
come around to discussing the gay dilemma. Unless, of course,
you yourself interject that topic, with resulting token
responses by your "supportive" chums. But if you're silent, or
not there, homosexuality is never a part of their progressive
agenda. If they donate to liberal causes, have they ever
included a contribution to some lesbian or gay organization?
3) If your "loving" family members say they support you...how
far will they go in defending you before a bigoted relative?
Or do they avoid the topic of homosexuality altogether, in
order to never be in a position to defend you?
4) If you lost a lover from AIDS or other tragedy: how many
family members rush to your side in loving concern, to ease
you through your passage of grief...as they clearly would for
their heterosexual kin? Or do they give you a cursory nod of
sympathy, then go on their own selfish way? (Implying, of
course, that no one can really take a homosexual relationship
seriously...it is, at best, a joke; and certainly something
one can get over in a few weeks or less.)
5) Has any close relative (such as a brother, sister, or
parent) ever voluntarily approached you to ask your opinions
of what it's like to be gay, and how you cope with an
intolerant society? Does any relative take the kindness to
recognize your humanity during Lesbian/ Gay Pride Week? (Or
do they all pretend they don't even know of its existence,
even when you remind them of the upcoming event each year?)
Has any one of them actually read a book about
homosexuality--just as they read about racism, Viet Nam,
etc.-- that they may better understand the issue? (Are there any
books in their homes about gay people...along with their books
on women's rights, racism, and other progressive topics?)
6) Are your "understanding" hetero buddies often
rationalizing society's homophobia with statements like:
"Well, heterosexuality is so deeply ingrained in our
culture...it will take some time yet for society to come
around." Though they would never dream of saying the same
thing for other issues of oppression; such as black people's
rights, child abuse, job discrimination towards females, etc.
(Yet those negative aspects are just as ingrained in our
society, as is hatred towards homosexuals.)
7) Do your relatives go all ga-ga over conventional "het"
weddings within the family...and pretend to never comprehend
why you might feel a little less eager to celebrate these
breeder unions, than they are? ("Oh, cousin Peggy, I'm so
happy you're getting married to the man of your dreams! I'll
dance with all the bridesmaid's and sing, and play piano, and
in general, be the life of the party. Then when it's all over,
I'll go back to my little queer closet, where I can brood to
my heart's content over never being able to celebrate a
marriage with the partner of my dreams, as you, privileged
hetero, can so freely do.")
Note: Would you consider refusing to attend hetero weddings
until the time when gays can also marry...and mail a written
declaration to this effect to your closer relatives? Or are
you a slave to your family's every demand...and/or afraid of
losing certain fringe benefits, such as paid college tuition,
generous birthday and graduation gifts, family business loans
and donations, and a sumptuous inheritance or two? If so,
then you must also bear some guilt for perpetuating
homophobia. Mama's boys just don't cut the mustard when it
comes to defending homosexual civil rights at the cost of
making their mothers happy.
Many of us live in delusion as to the assumed "stalwart
support" from our heterosexual kith and kin. So I hope the
examples above will wake up some of our sisters and brothers.
I must also point out that if you do have family members and
straight friends who pass these litmus tests, then you are a
lucky soul, indeed.
I am a Christian who believes that Jesus is homosexual, and
whose lover is of course, God. And it is also my belief that
Jesus had the homosexuality/family issue in mind, when He said
(Matthew 10:35-36):
For I have come to set a man against his father, a
daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law
against her mother-in-law. And a man's foes will
be those of his own household.
President Clinton's signing of the so-called "Defense Of
Marriage Act" is clearly this prophecy on the way to
fulfilling itself. Best prepare for the revolution about to
come, and beware of family and most of your hetero
buddies--for they may kill you with "friendly fire."
---finis
ezek...@my-dejanews.com
"^Harlequin^" <ho...@radiks.com> wrote:
> Ezekiel Krahlin <ezek...@my-dejanews.com> wrote
>
> gibberish... well, to be fair...It was about gay stuff.
>
> Really, I'm about as sick of this gay stuff
You're sick alright. Homophobia is a terrible psychosis.
> as I was of the Native Americans.
And you're proud of your bigotry?
> Face it, you post to see your posting.
Nope. I post to see justice done.
> Your posting is to support a Militia,
A "ParaNormalMilitary" Militia, my dear. Didn't you even read my manifesto?
Duh!
> now I dont exactly know everything about shamanism,
In fact, it is clear you know very little.
> I dont think most shamans would stand behind a Militia. So cut it already.
How many shamans do you think would stand in defense of an oppressed
minority? In fact, I'm sure many do...as they have already done so, many
times in the past centuries. In this case, it is time for the liberation of
gay people...thus the Blue Rose Militia is to become a unified group of
shamanistic individuals (mostly gay) across the world. We shall force a
secession upon America, where Northern California (and neighboring parts of
Oregon and Nevada), and name it "Athenia": the world's first gay nation.
You also have a narrow mindset of what a militia is all about. You poor,
limited soul.
Ezekiel Krahlin
wrote:
>PS Ain'cha that guy yer quotin' actually named Andrew "Boxcars" Clay? I
>heard he crapped out big thyme.
Crap is as crap does. Hetero crap.
---
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A. I don't know, they're still trying to breed enough brains
for the challenge!
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>
> > >instead
>
> I really don't get people. They want to be treated equal, they crave being
> saw as just a human being, yet they seporate themselves, they try making
> themselves above everyone else.
You intentionally trivialize the homosexual plight. What minority did not
first pass through a phase of pride, in order to build up the forces to
resist those bigots who villify them? We have not separated ourselves from
the human race...in fact, it is all other humans that have forced us into
separation. The idea of assimilation back into your heterocentric world, at
this point in time and space, nauseates me no end. I am now happy as a
separate group, and only want to enforce this position, along with wresting
from you, your sword of power and persecution. In my hands, it becomes
Excaliber.
> I think its all a bunch of shit, your not
> trying to gain a position equal to everyone else, you are trying to gain a
> status abover thier position.
For the good of all humanity, gay people must assert their superiority. You
heteros are foolish children, set upon destroying the world through breeding
your brains out. Gay people were created superior, for they are God's own
angels who have taken upon them, all the crosses of humanity. The Buddhists
would call us Bodhisatvahs (sp?). We have forgotten who we are...as in order
to fulfill our mission, we needed to experience the human drama in its
complete manifestation. Once having done that, our memories return, in order
to set things right for this troubled planet. We angels do not procreate in
your vulgar sense...hence being homosexual is a divine revelation. We create
from the heart...and our children are born of a magical egg, after several
centuries incubation. Only one angel is born every 300 years.
> AND WHY THE HELL DO YOU NEED A MALITIA?
That's "militia". Because we are going to kick shit outta your kind.
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"^Harlequin^" <ho...@radiks.com> wrote:
> Yes, it seems that everyone that isnt of a homosexual preferance is a
> complete idiot.
I didn't make it that way...that's just how things are turning out. With each
passing day, hetero men (and women) look more and more like the buffoons they
truly are.
> I consider myself a shaman, I heal and I defend.
A true shaman reveres homosexuality as the highest form of spiritual
expression.
> I think you need to get off this persons back, this person didnt say anything
> was wrong with you having sex.
'It' said many anti-gay things, proving it is homophobic.
> And why the hell would switch ritual with marriage, they are seportate.
In the context of its claims, my example of marriage was quite apt. You cannot
dupe me with your manipulative replies.
> This person said nothing of your gay sex being inferior or inappropriate...
Not directly, though it was clearly implied.
> You my friend are trying to put your inferances into this persons
> mouth/fingers.
Nope...I am only clarifying a point. It tried to disguise its homophobia with
sophistry. I am not so easily fooled. Just how stupid do you think homosexuals
are?
> I fear your Final Testament is going to reflect your
> ability to infer peoples words incorrectly.
What would you know about words, seeing as you employ them so poorly?
> You need not say anymore, go away.
I am a free spirit; I will speak as I please. I will come and go as I please,
but certainly not to please your limited mind.
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Cyrus Dogstar
>In article <19981107224517...@ng26.aol.com>,
> ludvi...@aol.com (LudvigPrin) wrote:
>> ~Because heterosexuality is a failed experiment...and those who
>> continue
>> ~this barbaric practice will only bring destruction onto themselves.
>>
>> Yes, heterosexuality was a disappointing experiment, but only for your
>parents.
>
>If anyone in these alternative religious groups believes homophobia is not a
>problem, because these groups are not Christian, I believe Ludvig Prinn's gay
>hateful comments--along with ignorant and crude remarks by others
>herein--points out quite clearly, how much residual homophobia does indeed
>exist in these "alternative" world views.
>
I've been lurking on this for some while, but I just think I'll say...
You arrogant bastard!
ahh, that felt good. Now let me explain that rather mean comment, and
the background of it:
Firstly, I am one of those you hate, a heterosexual. HOWEVER: I am
fully for "gay" rights, and I despise all those who desire to harm or
discriminate against homosexuals.
In fact, I really hate all types of bigotry. Among those I count as my
enemies are Neo-Nazis, right-wing Christians, and all racists, bigots,
etc. Which is why I get quite frustrated when I read the crap you are
posting! Equality is a good thing, and as of yet you homosexuals don't
completely have it (hear of the gay politician who was denied the
ambassadorial post to a European county SOLELY because of his
sexuality?). However, you are going a bit far, and turning the tables.
As of now, YOU, friend Ezekiel, are the bigot, the evil oppressor, at
least in words. You have forgotten the one rule of the fanatic: when
you seek to utterly destroy the enemy, you become the enemy. Ezekiel,
you have become exactly what you claim the government, and anti-gay
people, are: oppressors. Or at least you would be if you got anywhere.
I don't know which way you swing, with accord to the political
spectrum, but you show tendencies of the worst kind of Xian: the
right-winger, the bigot. You think that just because someone disagrees
with you, or doesn't agree with your exact philosophy on life, that
they are against you. But, you a$$hole, you're damned wrong! Just
because someone isn't gay DOES NOT mean they are a homophobe! Just
because one is not Xian does ***NOT*** mean they are devil
worshippers!
I am a staunch supporter of the gay rights movement, and I am
intelligent enough to realize that just because one gay person is an
a$$hole does not mean that ALL homosexuals are jerk-offs. There are
fucked-up homosexuals, and nice-to-be-around heteros, as well as vice
versa!
Ezekiel, you have proven yourself to be, not an aid, but a detraction,
to the very cause you claim to be fighting for. Because of you, most
of the people on these NGs will likely walk away from this with a
slightly, if not largely, lesser opinion of gay people. The next time
someone posts here claiming to be a gay rights activist, the assorted
pagans/shamans/etc here will turn away for fear that it will be
another one of you. Know this, Ezekiel, and be ashamed of yourself.
I, for one, still have a high opinion of those who fight for the
underdog, who fights for the rights of those different from
themselves. However, I have a low opinion of you, and I hope that if
your "Blue Rose Militia" is intended to keep up your rabid
anti-heterosexual ideas, than I hope it fails, not because it is gay,
but because it strives to do the same thing to heteros that heteros
have done to you.
And, finally for real this time, assuming you give me your usual
annoying "you evil hetero anti-gay person" whining shit, you can stick
it you-know-where. I know who I fight for, and I fight for gay people,
but not gay people like you.
Champion of freedom,
Cyrus Dogstar
<(--Cyrus Dogstar--)>
The truth is out there--waay out there :)
Ezekiel Krahlin
to this newsgroup:
---begin message
Hi, I sent you an irate and rather waspish e-male a couple of
weeks ago. Well, this time I'm writing to tell you "Ave!" and
TESTIFY!!!!!!
You are so fuckin' right about "heterophobia" being
non-existent and a magic word of sorts for hets who want to
step on our faces and shout us down when we fight back. As
long as they're just *assumed* to own the world by
'virtue'(}8-{) of their 10-to-1 odds over us and the "claim on
the future" mystically vouchsafed to humanoid stud rams and
brood mares by virtue of the litters they make with their
beast-like sexual behaviors.... listen, i've been involved
with the Radical Faeries for years, and even *they* currently
have a tendency to yell "separatist" and, choke, "heterophobe"
at anyone who wants to call breeders on their bullshit and
demand Holy Space that's *!away!* from them and their kids.
Some Faeries call this inclusiveness--me and my boyfriend
Buzzard call it assimilationism.
"Heterophobia" is a contradiction in terms and a cop-out for
those who invoke it--although I can't think of anything else I
agree with you on, your take on this proves to me that your
head is right about some important shit. And I'm *very* much
FOR armed self-defense by faggots. For one thing, any breeder
who raises a hand to one of us deserves the death penalty with
!*summary! !execution*!; for the other thing, I'm sure that if
individuals take responsibility for their own protection and
retaliation (and are free to execute this responsibility in an
appropriate manner), there will be a whole lot less need for
police.
The other Prop I must grudgingly hand you is: how much
ignorance, self-righteousness, and anti-queer bigotry your
(admittedly infuriating) posts have brought out of the
allegedly liberated breeders of the different
magickal/metaphysical NG's you post to. Understand, I agree
with *some* of their objections--xposting IS obnoxious; and
your xian orientation DOES place you in the position of
oppressor whether you cop to it or not ("claim the name and
claim the blame"); it's just as arrogant and inappropriate to
post xian materials in heathen space as it is for breeders to
invade queer territory, because it's an assumption of
privilege/superiority--!--BUT!--!--
beyond these valid objections, yer ng foes frequently resort to
cliches like "you're rubbing our noses in it!" and "this
isn't the time or the place for that" or the like--hey, I
despise most of the views you put forth, and so might most of
the hets I associate with, and the fags too, but many of the
so-called heathen on the groups you post to are using their
objections to shield and advance their homophobia We're all
safer when our enemies stand and reveal themselves. I hope
you receive this, and read it..maybe even acknowledge that my
dis has been replaced by grudging respect...give them breeders
hell, ya mad queen! and give jesus the slip...he's hustlin ya
for yer wad.
religion is mental disease
---end message
---
Q. How many heteros does it take to screw in a light bulb?
A. I don't know, they're still trying to breed enough brains
for the challenge!
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Cyrus Dogstar
Krahlin) wrote:
>On 8 Nov 1998 08:40:40 GMT, "Sparrow 13" <spr...@NOSPAMsirius.com>
>wrote:
>
>>PS Ain'cha that guy yer quotin' actually named Andrew "Boxcars" Clay? I
>>heard he crapped out big thyme.
>
>Crap is as crap does. Hetero crap.
>
>
>---
>Q. How many heteros does it take to screw in a light bulb?
>A. I don't know, they're still trying to breed enough brains
> for the challenge!
Well, if you don't think heterosexuals can breed brains, how'd you get
yours? Magic? From "God"?
You call Xians "KKKristians" but you're the closest to a Ku Klux Klan
member I've seen in a while, Xian and non alike. KKKers seek to
oppress based on sexuality/race/religion. So do you. Case closed.
CY
Ashley Yakeley
> In article <01be0a1f$cba673e0$5f4f0d0c@default>,
> "Nexx" <ne...@interkan.net> wrote:
>
> > I stand by my original statement that Zeke is a heterophobe, who has a
> > tendency to project his hatred of any sexuality but his own onto other
> > people.
I agree. He's basically a right-wing bible-thumping Christian homophobe,
with the _very_ minor difference of substituting heterosexuality for
homosexuality in his tirades.
> You stand by a false god. So be it.
>
> "To call a gay person heterophobic, is like calling a concentration
> camp survivor 'Naziphobic'." -- Ezekiel J. Krahlin
Not really. Nazism is/was a political movement that involved locking up
certain people in concentration camps. Heterosexuality is merely sexual
desire for the other sex.
palinopsia
"ParaNormalMilitaryShamanistic" Militia. Oh...interesting...
Eric Floen
Ezekiel Krahlin wrote:
>
> On Fri, 06 Nov 1998 23:29:03 -0800, Eric Floen
> <floen...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >I understand your despair.
>
> No despair here, dear...just righteous rage. Your honeyed tongue will
> not slow me down.
I don't want to slow you down, I want you to try and listen! Then you
could respond in such a way as to make these folks respect you.
>
> >That said, I can say pretty confidently that I identify with your
> >frustration, and anger, but have noticed that you are letting that
> >frustration cloud your judgement.
>
> Nonsense. My visions and statements are crystal clear. I am hear to
> deconstruct heterocentrism, and slay the beast of homophobia. I am
> quite proud of my mission.
I never said you felt shameful, that you are proud of yourself is made
apparent by your stiffnecked rhetoric.
>
> >In some of your retorts, I can see
> >how angry you are, but you have stopped LISTENING and you are reacting
> >to what you think people are saying, because you are making up your mind
> >about what they have to say, before they have finished saying it.
>
> Because the same old verbal diarrhea keeps coming back to me, in the
> form of veiled homophobia. I do listen to everything. You cannot
> confuse or could my mind...but give it your best try, I couldn't care
> less.
>
You are in love with your own cleverness
> >My mom does that.
>
> I'm not your mother. I'm a lot more intelligent, responsible, and
> aggressive. Plus: she's hardly an activist, let alone a gay one.
You've never met my mother
>
> >Look I'm not writing this to make you feel bad, but honey, take some
> >deep yoga-breaths and calm yourself before you write.
>
> Spare me your new-age dribble. I have been practicing hatha yoga and
> bahkti yoga for over 30 years now. And not to worry: you do not make
> me feel bad, even though you try...via friendly fire.
I am not trying to make you feel bad, I am asking you to listen and to
respond to criticisim in a diplomatic fashion.
>
> >Responding from rage accomplishes you nothing, and makes your cause look flakey.
>
> Not to everyone...but of course to those who cannot let go of the
> hetero agenda. This includes many gays who remain heterocentric in
> their social values.
>
Yes, I'm in the closet. So is my husband. But we respect activists.
You border on the edge of a hysterical activist, and maybe I have a
problem with the fact I feel like you are just entrenching the negative
stereotypes that make it impossible for my husband and I to live out, as
seperate people. We made our accomodation, that keep us in ok with the
neighbors in a rural small town. We don't have the luxury of living in
SanFrancisco, and the tolerance that goes with urban culture.
> >Try dignity and moderation.
>
> Homophobes don't respect that...it just gives them the idea we gays
> are weaklings. The only thing gay bashers respect, is when they are
> bashed back. Dignity and moderation are too sophisticated to have any
> positive impact. Furthermore, my aggressive stance is centered in both
> dignity and moderation...though you choose to give your own silly spin
> on it.
>
Gay bashers respect anyone who can bash them right over the head with a
chair before they can get you. But behavior like yours don't win over
any of the undecided.
> >Like your problem when somebody asked you to
> >keep your posts to ritual sex, You assumed she meant "ritually
> >concecrated sex" like marriage. She didn't.
>
> Oh, it's not me with the problem. I never brought up sex in the first
> place, you idiot.
>
I know, but you responded badly.
> >And if you weren't so angry, I know you would have spotted that, too.
>
> Nonsense. I did spot it...as this goosey lady brought up sex, not me.
> She denigrates the gay spirit as if it were something vulgar.
>
> >But she had a point.
>
> Yes she did...and it's at the top of her head.
>
That was a good one. But I imagine the point on her head was no sharper
than yours.
> >Do you have some sort of sex-magic, or worshipping routine such as
> >lighting a candle or saying a prayer dedicating your act to
> >(humanity/all homos/your Diety/or some element/a holy day) ?
>
> Yes.
>
> > What are homo holy days for you?
>
> What planet are you from? Obviously, you choose to remain willfully
> ignorant of all the gay achievements in the last decade. You don't
> deserve to be informed of gay holy days...since knowledge of this is
> publicly available and easily accessible. Why don't you try picking up
> a gay newspaper some day, oh "liberal" het princess?
>
Fuck you, odious man! I happen to be a very butch little dyke living
in a small town. I'm an animal trainer and work from five in the
morning untill it gets dark at night, then I turn on the lights, and I
keep on working. I don't have time to go to the city, and pick up the
LAWeekly! I'm too busy having a life and making a living. I get laid
enough, and so do my friends, but we meet thu our work, and most of the
time, we don't have time to hit clubs, coffee houses and such before we
just go home and hit the sheets! We're grateful we have time for sex.
You are as disgustingly judgemental as the hetros you hate so much. In
fact, you seem to have taken on the charicteristics of your avowed
enemy. By the way, I'm not liberal. I'm a libertarian. You are
stupid. I offered you a perfect opportunity to explain some of the
juicy stuff that I would have loved to have known when I was a scared
little baby dyke of seventeen. But I'm sure you taught anyone lurking a
real good lesson, didn'tcha?
> >What makes them holy, or sets them apart? What
> >are the rituals for those days? Is there ritual sex?
>
> We are about to confront the onslaught of a gay holocaust...and you
> want to detract and trivialize this revolution by focusing on
> definitions of ritual sex. I care not to discuss such things...as I am
> focused on the warrior spirit as it shall manifest from many
> sources...including alternative religions. I am here to lead.
>
Lead where? Lets win some hearts first! Tell me and the lurkers
(hopefully some maybe-gay kids) what the culture is besides that "hetros
all wanna kill you...oooo"
Let's educate, ok?
> >That's the kind of thing that this NG is concerned with.
>
> Bull crap. My points are equally relevant...and in the light of our
> present homophobic attacks in my country and the world...far more
> relevant, and important to deal with. If the Wiccan/Druid/alternative
> powers cannot deal with liberating gay souls from the horrors of
> homophobia...then I wonder what the hell they're good for, other than
> weekend diversions of frivolous merit. I am summoning all pro-gay
> spirits to defend the gay populace in this escalating war. I did not
> come to discuss the variations of sexual communions.
>
I work toward that end all the time and the kids I councel all seem to
make it thru and go to college where they find themselves and people
they want to be with, whithout spooking their parents into making any
stupid moves. As an animal behaviorist and a behavioral therapist, I
can tell you that you are going about your mission all wrong.
> >Those are the things I want to know.
>
> Those are things that you should already know, if you consider
> yourself a broad-minded person. You never need to seek this
> information directly from a gay person. That's akin to seeking a black
> person to be enlightened on the issue of African-Amerikan civil
> rights...as if there weren't already a plethora of literature out
> there already, to make it easy for any person to learn.
No. I am a fag in a very unfriendly atmosphere, that I don't want to
have become any more unfriendly. I like being able to go to the bank
and have people smile at me, because they think I'm nice and what I do
on my own time is no affair of thiers.
>
> >Try not to let this get personal, but speak of you rnew religion as if
> >it was already established, and answer in terms of custom, intead of
> >your *personal* habits.
>
> I do things my way, thank you. I hardly think you have any authority
> to guide me in the matter of gay spirituality.
Why not? I'm gay. I'm spiritual. I councel teens on the side. sounds
like I have some insights.
>
> >Never let a religious arguement (or a political one) get personal.
>
> Ahhh...but it *must be personal, as it is my person that is in real
> danger. Every hear of a guy called Matthew Shepard? Should he have not
> taken his bashing personally? Is homophobia merely an abstract issue
> that can be resolved in the drawing room, over an aperitif and a
> cigarette?
How bout a beer and a cigar? And why not? I actually responded ver
sharply to harly's rather unsympathetic comments on the situation. I
am more of an authority on homophobia and more at risk than you are as
I live in a town like Mathew Sheppard was killed in. You live in the
gay capital of the world--I live in a town that centers it's life around
the Professional Rodeo Association, American Horse Shows Association.
Can you say hick? Can you say redneck? I knew you could.
>
> >Quarreling with hetros and putting them down is making you as bad as any
> >Queer-basher.
>
> Oh, so now I'm as evil as those who bludgeoned Matthew Shepard and
> countless others. Lady, you are a homophobic bitch par excellence.
>
Does that mean I look in the mirror and scream when I see myself? You
are so stupid! It must be the penis.... is it talking to you again?
There! Do you respect me any more for being rude to you? I thought
not. My Master taught me alway to be polite, even to those you hate,
they might one day be your clients. One cannot cultivate a temper as an
animal trainer, for it will ruin anything one does. We are all a part
of a single living organisim, and you would do well to know that you are
attacking a part of yourself. What you fight, is making itself a part
of you, so maybe it's time to look in the mirror (try not to scream like
you imagine I must) and start tracking down where you fucked up, big
guy.
> >I know that you could not possibly want to damage the
> >legitamacy of your cause, by allowing it to be dragged down by taking
> >the moral low-ground.
>
> I am addressing you, and other heterocentrists in these
> newsgroups...and your moral low-ground is an insult to my integrity.
> But someone's gotta do the dirty work. I'll clean the toilets, if you
> won't...though you might also get flushed away in the process.
ooh I'm scared
>
> >You have created a very complex religious
> >organisim, but have not explained to my satisfaction what the specific
> >orgins of what you claim to be shamanic elements to your belief-system.
>
> You can't have everything handed to you on a silver platter, when you
> don't deserve it. How can I explain such matters in just a few
> days...against a wave of homophobic resistance by groups that pretend
> to be gay friendly? I have already described numerous shamanic aspects
> in my postings. But in your case, it's just in one ear and out the
> other.
>
You only wish. I actually cared about you and worried about you. now I
know the ugly truth, you are a Kook, and you are in love with the sound
of your own voice. Your fatuous arguements only make you look more and
more divorced from reality and scare all the youngsters into thinking
"I'm not like that. If that's what fags are like, maybe I should just
keep going to church. Do you know haow many Gay teens commit suicide
because of people like you? You rip the hope from them that they can
life mellow lives doing what thier heart say they want to do, yet stay
the people they want to be. If I met you, I certainly wouldn't use you
as a role model.
> >I will admit that you puzzle me, persisting in annoying these people,
>
> They wouldn't feel annoyed if they didn't harbor tons of residual
> homophobis.
Homophobias spell it right, you're obsessed with it--remember?
>
> >when you could be getting the word out to others, who would bless you
> >and find comfort in a gay bible for homo Christians.
>
> Oh, but that is beginning to happen. In a little more time, I shall be
> receiving an unstoppable *flood of appreciation.
>
from where? You've managed to piss me off which is funny because you
are the first person since Matthew Sheppard's funeral who's managed
that. Give ol'Zeke a prize!
> >Why poke Harley with the
> >sharp stick of Queer indignation, when you could be offering the warm
> >blanket of love and God's acceptance to people on the Gay NG's
> >struggling with this very issue?
>
> Tough love.
So more kids can kill themselves in dispair, because they feel like they
don't fit in with the homosexual community? You are a funny boy. I'd
laugh if your arrogance wasn't hurting all I've worked to help.
>
> >There are a lot of people that you could reach, that aren't seeing your
> >message. Stop wasting your time with these folks, and go out there and
> >make a difference!
>
> I am making a difference...you have no idea.
You are making a negative difference. I know all too well.
>
> >You are needed. You are wanted. Somebody will
> >treasure your message,
>
What kills me is that this is still true.
> I know I am needed and wanted. I am needed right here, too...whether
> you like it or not. I know exactly what I'm about, and what I'm doing.
> Many already treasure my message.
>
> >but the a lot of folks here (like me) find any
> >Christian influence as painful as you find Hetro culture.
>
> Get over it. I respect all world views.
If there was any shred of respect in you, you would keep a civil tongue
in your head. Incautious words wreak more than all the bombs in the
world have.
Do not forget that the Celtic
> people overran and decimated earlier native cultures, every bit as
> horribly as the worst Christian atrocities. And it is from the Celts
> we have the Druid religion. Where do their legends of fairies, elves,
> gnomes, and trolls come from, anyway? From the previous natives who
> were diminuituve in size...and who were murdered and raped
> mercilessly...until completely killed off. Is the Celtic history of
> violence any better than the Christians? Hardly. So go stick your self
> righteous nose up your own ass, and not mine.
Because I am not hetro, I could hardly be interested. Tits are my
thing, Zeke. But that does not justify your nasty behavior. I am of a
euraisan strain, so who gives a Fuck what happened to the Celts? I'm
talking about making a better world based on civility, right here.
Right now.
>
> >So it's hard for many of them to respond in a way that give them any
> >benefit from your message.
>
> Well, if they weren't such dimwits, it wouldn't be difficult at all
> for them. I am not promoting a Christian agenda...as has already been
> made clear in my posts. I am promoting a universalist agenda which
> respects all world views, including Druid, atheism, etc. Because I
> happen to be a Christian myself (of a pagan/gnostic type), does not
> mean I am forcing this particular world view on anyone. In fact, most
> conventional Christians despise my viewpoints, as in:
You respect nobody! and your poetry isn't fit for Vogons, so dont make
us read it. I live in a hick town, spend most of my time with kids and
animals and yet you have managed to make me feel smart, moderate,
pleasant, and mistaken for a hetro. Your arguements are rudimentary,
and your views expressed damaging to the people you propose to protect.
People like you are the reason there is such an entrenched faction of
militant homophobes to begin with. Too funny! We simply must do this
again!
>
> As if I haven't, already! Dear, this is my life's calling; I've been
> at it for years.
>
>
Dear, please call it something else. It's calling you an horse's ass.
No blessing for you,
FLORA
Ashley Yakeley
ezek...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> On Sun, 08 Nov 1998 13:54:32 -0800, Ash...@halcyon.com (Ashley
> Yakeley) wrote:
>
> >Not really. Nazism is/was a political movement that involved locking up
> >certain people in concentration camps. Heterosexuality is merely sexual
> >desire for the other sex.
>
> Nonsense. Heterosexuality has become a fanatic religion in its own
> right...properly called "heterocentrism" or "heterosexism".
In that case we're talking about different things. I'm not talking about
"heterocentrism" or "heterosexism", I'm talking about merely sexual desire
for the other sex, properly called "heterosexuality".
> I propose rounding up all heteros into there own ghettoes. Hey,
> "hetero ghetteroes"...gotta love it!
Heterophobia again. To prove this, try swapping 'hetero' and 'homo':
> I propose rounding up all homos into there own ghettoes. Hey,
> "homo ghettoes"...gotta love it!
You'll agree this sentiment is homophobic? Well, your sentiment was
heterophobic.
Pretty obvious, really.
Ashley Yakeley
ezek...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> There is no such thing as heterophobia, you idiot.
Rather depends on what one might mean by '-phobia', which normally means
fear. But 'homophobia' is now used to mean something more general,
including any irrational hatred of homosexuality. You merely have the
mirror image, heterophobia, that is, an irrational hatred of
heterosexuality.
> That is just
> another ploy to trivialize and denigrate gay people.
Actually, your claim that heterophobia does not exist is just another ploy
to avoid responsibility for your actions.
> Whether or not you are interested in the Bible, you certainly seem to
> possess a virulent homophobic attitude that probably sprang from it.
You're projecting your own virulent heterophobia again..
nonagon09
quarter...call someone who cares. Oh, and stop cross-posting {dressing?},
you troll. We don't hate you, but we do find you...amusingly stupid. Take
your hate-mongering beliefs where they will be truly appreciate.
Perhaps...alt.heterossuck? Our sympathies to your parents...who you
obviously hate. :(
Many Blessings,
Tegan & nonagon09 :) ;) {Breeders, and proud of it...incoming! <g>}
~Thinking is more interesting than knowing, but less interesting than
looking, and less enlightening than Seeing~ *Modified Goethe*
ezek...@my-dejanews.com wrote in article
<724mhh$gh6$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
> ---
> The Final Testament: a bible by and for gays alone:
> http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/
>
> Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass
> for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts!
nonagon09
arrow
Ezekiel Krahlin <ezek...@my-dejanews.com> wrote in article
<3645f256...@nntp.sj.bigger.net>...
> ---
> Q. How many heteros does it take to screw in a light bulb?
> A. I don't know, they're still trying to breed enough brains
> for the challenge!
> ---
> The Final Testament, a Bible by and for Gays only:
> http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/
> GodHates...@HetBeGone.com
> ---
> Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass
> for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts!
> http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite/schulz.htm
>
arrow wrote:
foul! yes i cried foul. this post is unfair to us "breeders" who think
that gay people have thier place in this world ( i still can't bring myself
to use the F- wor that you call yourselves)<cringe>. how can you who want
understanding be so cruel. i may be hetero. but i'm not narrow minded. i'm
just someone who hasn't walked on the other side this time around.
give us a kiss luv.
arrow
Ezekiel Krahlin
wrote:
>your sexual preference just
>:happens to be a human trait which you are fighting to
>protect.
>
>And if I didn't try and protect it, how many people would
>try and crush all knowledge of it ?
Obviously, they all would. Keep up your aggressive stance...you are
right as rain. Gay rain, of course.
Ezekiel Krahlin
Yakeley) wrote:
>Not really. Nazism is/was a political movement that involved locking up
>certain people in concentration camps. Heterosexuality is merely sexual
>desire for the other sex.
Nonsense. Heterosexuality has become a fanatic religion in its own
right...properly called "heterocentrism" or "heterosexism". It is a
destructive and violent force, that uses gay people for its
sacrificial victims to the dark god they worship. Normal
heterosexuality has been usurped by fanatic heterosexuality. It is
this very heterocentrism that contributed to the Nazi movement...as
well as to the subjugation of women and to the abuse of children, as
well as to the persecution of gays.
Heterosexuality is a pushy, arrogant attitude that needs to leave this
planet, in order for us all to survive in a better, more human planet.
Until said time, being gay in Amerika is like being surrounded by
Charles Mansons wherever we go in public. You never know when some
seemingly sweet-natured man or woman is going to haul off and start
shouting, "Faggot! Faggot!" at some defenseless gay, who then likely
gets brutally bashed even unto death.
I propose rounding up all heteros into there own ghettoes. Hey,
"hetero ghetteroes"...gotta love it!
---
Ezekiel Krahlin
wrote:
>Yep they did, and a prince who had to find the heart of a wicked wizard
>in a high tower and destroy it, to free his love from the magick of the
>blue rose that had put her into a deep sleep or coma.
Aww, for Chrissake, another soppy *hetero tale. Where are our gay
tales of love, adventure, magic, and fairytales? Apparantly, they've
all been selectively eliminated by centuries of you "gay-friendly"
pagans, wiccans, etc. I am here to resurrect the gay folklore which,
since it has all been mostly eradicated forever, I must receive
through visions brought to me by angels. My tale "Brian and The
Werewolf" is but one example.
http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/write/brian.htm
Ezekiel Krahlin
<floen...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>I understand your despair.
No despair here, dear...just righteous rage. Your honeyed tongue will
not slow me down.
>That said, I can say pretty confidently that I identify with your
>frustration, and anger, but have noticed that you are letting that
>frustration cloud your judgement.
Nonsense. My visions and statements are crystal clear. I am hear to
deconstruct heterocentrism, and slay the beast of homophobia. I am
quite proud of my mission.
>In some of your retorts, I can see
>how angry you are, but you have stopped LISTENING and you are reacting
>to what you think people are saying, because you are making up your mind
>about what they have to say, before they have finished saying it.
Because the same old verbal diarrhea keeps coming back to me, in the
form of veiled homophobia. I do listen to everything. You cannot
confuse or could my mind...but give it your best try, I couldn't care
less.
>My mom does that.
I'm not your mother. I'm a lot more intelligent, responsible, and
aggressive. Plus: she's hardly an activist, let alone a gay one.
>Look I'm not writing this to make you feel bad, but honey, take some
>deep yoga-breaths and calm yourself before you write.
Spare me your new-age dribble. I have been practicing hatha yoga and
bahkti yoga for over 30 years now. And not to worry: you do not make
me feel bad, even though you try...via friendly fire.
>Responding from rage accomplishes you nothing, and makes your cause look flakey.
Not to everyone...but of course to those who cannot let go of the
hetero agenda. This includes many gays who remain heterocentric in
their social values.
>Try dignity and moderation.
Homophobes don't respect that...it just gives them the idea we gays
are weaklings. The only thing gay bashers respect, is when they are
bashed back. Dignity and moderation are too sophisticated to have any
positive impact. Furthermore, my aggressive stance is centered in both
dignity and moderation...though you choose to give your own silly spin
on it.
>Like your problem when somebody asked you to
>keep your posts to ritual sex, You assumed she meant "ritually
>concecrated sex" like marriage. She didn't.
Oh, it's not me with the problem. I never brought up sex in the first
place, you idiot.
>And if you weren't so angry, I know you would have spotted that, too.
Nonsense. I did spot it...as this goosey lady brought up sex, not me.
She denigrates the gay spirit as if it were something vulgar.
>But she had a point.
Yes she did...and it's at the top of her head.
>Do you have some sort of sex-magic, or worshipping routine such as
>lighting a candle or saying a prayer dedicating your act to
>(humanity/all homos/your Diety/or some element/a holy day) ?
Yes.
> What are homo holy days for you?
What planet are you from? Obviously, you choose to remain willfully
ignorant of all the gay achievements in the last decade. You don't
deserve to be informed of gay holy days...since knowledge of this is
publicly available and easily accessible. Why don't you try picking up
a gay newspaper some day, oh "liberal" het princess?
>What makes them holy, or sets them apart? What
>are the rituals for those days? Is there ritual sex?
We are about to confront the onslaught of a gay holocaust...and you
want to detract and trivialize this revolution by focusing on
definitions of ritual sex. I care not to discuss such things...as I am
focused on the warrior spirit as it shall manifest from many
sources...including alternative religions. I am here to lead.
>That's the kind of thing that this NG is concerned with.
Bull crap. My points are equally relevant...and in the light of our
present homophobic attacks in my country and the world...far more
relevant, and important to deal with. If the Wiccan/Druid/alternative
powers cannot deal with liberating gay souls from the horrors of
homophobia...then I wonder what the hell they're good for, other than
weekend diversions of frivolous merit. I am summoning all pro-gay
spirits to defend the gay populace in this escalating war. I did not
come to discuss the variations of sexual communions.
>Those are the things I want to know.
Those are things that you should already know, if you consider
yourself a broad-minded person. You never need to seek this
information directly from a gay person. That's akin to seeking a black
person to be enlightened on the issue of African-Amerikan civil
rights...as if there weren't already a plethora of literature out
there already, to make it easy for any person to learn.
>Try not to let this get personal, but speak of you rnew religion as if
>it was already established, and answer in terms of custom, intead of
>your *personal* habits.
I do things my way, thank you. I hardly think you have any authority
to guide me in the matter of gay spirituality.
>Never let a religious arguement (or a political one) get personal.
Ahhh...but it *must be personal, as it is my person that is in real
danger. Every hear of a guy called Matthew Shepard? Should he have not
taken his bashing personally? Is homophobia merely an abstract issue
that can be resolved in the drawing room, over an aperitif and a
cigarette?
>Quarreling with hetros and putting them down is making you as bad as any
>Queer-basher.
Oh, so now I'm as evil as those who bludgeoned Matthew Shepard and
countless others. Lady, you are a homophobic bitch par excellence.
>I know that you could not possibly want to damage the
>legitamacy of your cause, by allowing it to be dragged down by taking
>the moral low-ground.
I am addressing you, and other heterocentrists in these
newsgroups...and your moral low-ground is an insult to my integrity.
But someone's gotta do the dirty work. I'll clean the toilets, if you
won't...though you might also get flushed away in the process.
>You have created a very complex religious
>organisim, but have not explained to my satisfaction what the specific
>orgins of what you claim to be shamanic elements to your belief-system.
You can't have everything handed to you on a silver platter, when you
don't deserve it. How can I explain such matters in just a few
days...against a wave of homophobic resistance by groups that pretend
to be gay friendly? I have already described numerous shamanic aspects
in my postings. But in your case, it's just in one ear and out the
other.
>I will admit that you puzzle me, persisting in annoying these people,
They wouldn't feel annoyed if they didn't harbor tons of residual
homophobis.
>when you could be getting the word out to others, who would bless you
>and find comfort in a gay bible for homo Christians.
Oh, but that is beginning to happen. In a little more time, I shall be
receiving an unstoppable *flood of appreciation.
>Why poke Harley with the
>sharp stick of Queer indignation, when you could be offering the warm
>blanket of love and God's acceptance to people on the Gay NG's
>struggling with this very issue?
Tough love.
>There are a lot of people that you could reach, that aren't seeing your
>message. Stop wasting your time with these folks, and go out there and
>make a difference!
I am making a difference...you have no idea.
>You are needed. You are wanted. Somebody will
>treasure your message,
I know I am needed and wanted. I am needed right here, too...whether
you like it or not. I know exactly what I'm about, and what I'm doing.
Many already treasure my message.
>but the a lot of folks here (like me) find any
>Christian influence as painful as you find Hetro culture.
Get over it. I respect all world views. Do not forget that the Celtic
people overran and decimated earlier native cultures, every bit as
horribly as the worst Christian atrocities. And it is from the Celts
we have the Druid religion. Where do their legends of fairies, elves,
gnomes, and trolls come from, anyway? From the previous natives who
were diminuituve in size...and who were murdered and raped
mercilessly...until completely killed off. Is the Celtic history of
violence any better than the Christians? Hardly. So go stick your self
righteous nose up your own ass, and not mine.
>So it's hard for many of them to respond in a way that give them any
>benefit from your message.
Well, if they weren't such dimwits, it wouldn't be difficult at all
for them. I am not promoting a Christian agenda...as has already been
made clear in my posts. I am promoting a universalist agenda which
respects all world views, including Druid, atheism, etc. Because I
happen to be a Christian myself (of a pagan/gnostic type), does not
mean I am forcing this particular world view on anyone. In fact, most
conventional Christians despise my viewpoints, as in:
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writing free of charge (including translation into any
language)...under condition that no profit is made therefrom,
and that it remain intact and complete, including title and
credit to the original author.
Ezekiel J. Krahlin
ezek...@iname.com
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READ ALL ABOUT IT
©1998 by Ezekiel J. Krahlin
HEAR YE, HEAR YE! JESUS IS PEE
SHY! READ ALL ABOUT IT
In the New York Times,
The Homo Gazette,
The Black Muslim Fist,
The Lesbian Licker,
And the C.I.A. list!
HEAR YE, HEAR YE! JESUS HAS A
RECEDED HAIRLINE,
Appendectomy scar, and crooked
tooth!
He's a flaming faggot, and
activist, mate;
Never owned a car, and is
forty-eight!
HEAR YE, HEAR YE! JESUS IS A
SATYRO-MANIAC,
Crazy 'bout butch and beefy bods!
He gets paid to get laid in the
bedrooms of heros and gods!
He gets his licks from a legion
of tricks:
Devoted comrades or teasers of
dicks!
HEAR YE, HEAR YE! WHAT JESUS
WANTS, JESUS GETS:
Six-six-six or sex-sex-sex!
---finis
> Think about it.
As if I haven't, already! Dear, this is my life's calling; I've been
at it for years.
Ezekiel Krahlin
Dogstar) wrote:
>In fact, I really hate all types of bigotry. Among those I count as my
>enemies are Neo-Nazis, right-wing Christians, and all racists, bigots,
>etc.
Goody goody gumdrops for you!
> Which is why I get quite frustrated when I read the crap you are
>posting!
Oh? No frustration for all the homophobic slurs emanating in response
to me, from these "alternative religious" newsgroups? Oddly, you
remain silent over this. It seems you doth protest too much.
>However, you are going a bit far, and turning the tables.
I am a mirror shaman.
>Just because one is not Xian does ***NOT*** mean they are devil
>worshippers!
Where on earth did you get the idea I despise non-Christians? I love
the diversity of world views, religions, and mythologies. I really
can't pick a favorite; but if I had too, I'd choose the Greeks...with
a close second for Native American lore.
>I am a staunch supporter of the gay rights movement,
Oh, are you now? Do you wear a pink triangle or some other
gay-relevant symbol or logo, in support of your gay sisters and
brothers? How about a T-shirt or sticker that proclaims "Another
hetero for gay rights"? Hmmm? Do you? Do you?
I believe at this point in time, those hets who do *not wear some
obvious pro-gay symbol, are not to be trusted one bit. They are highly
suspect. Just as the Danes in WWII sported stars of David to protect
the Jews, it is now time for heteros in Amerika to protect gays in
like manner. (One must also wonder why those same Danes did not also
wear pink triangles...makes me sick at heart to realize the ugly
truth.)
And have you even donated any time or money to gay causes? Have you
spoken out against anyone making homophobic slurs?
>and I am
>intelligent enough to realize that just because one gay person is an
>a$$hole does not mean that ALL homosexuals are jerk-offs. There are
>fucked-up homosexuals, and nice-to-be-around heteros, as well as vice
>versa!
Well aren't you the intelligent man. I am sooo impressed.
>Ezekiel, you have proven yourself to be, not an aid, but a detraction,
>to the very cause you claim to be fighting for.
Maybe in your book. But let's not pass judgment until the dust of
battle settles down for once and all.
>Because of you, most
>of the people on these NGs will likely walk away from this with a
>slightly, if not largely, lesser opinion of gay people.
Really? This doesn't sound like people who accept gays as equals...
actually, it sounds like they're looking for an excuse to justify our
annihilation.
>The next time
>someone posts here claiming to be a gay rights activist, the assorted
>pagans/shamans/etc here will turn away for fear that it will be
>another one of you.
Then you are admitting the so-called shamans present in these groups
are rather weak-willed, ineffectual, and phony? It sure seems that
way, judging by your fallacious and expedient remarks.
>I, for one, still have a high opinion of those who fight for the
>underdog, who fights for the rights of those different from
>themselves.
Yeah, sure...even though you are willing to villify gays, using me for
the excuse.
>Champion of freedom,
>Cyrus Dogstar
Hypocrite.
Ezekiel Krahlin
wrote:
>those who attack homosexuality are usualy frightend and stupid people,
>we dont do that on this ng, we are pagans, your not having to sell the
>idea of homosexuals are equel , we know they are equel.
Oh? My point that this is not true at all--that homophobia lives quite
well, thank you, among you pagans and alternatives--is being proven
right here in these groups, by many of the gay hateful remarks being
made. Haven't you seen yet, Ludvig Prinn's proposal of using the Blue
Rose to represent a strictly heterosexual group...after my own
proposal of the Blue Rose Militia? This is not a Christian; this is
one of your own!
Haven't you paid attention to all the ignorant comments made about
homosexuals in these pagan newsgroups? Oh, I get it: you are
trivializing the gay plight, and pretending there is nothing gay
hateful going on here. That's right, it's just those nasty Christians
who hate gays...not all you absolutely wonderful and
open-minded/open-hearted pagans!
WARNING TO ALL GAYS: Do not throw yourselfs into the arms of pagans
and other "alternative" relgious types; believing that by default they
are gay friendly, because not Christian. They are just as evil and
homophobic as the worst Christian sects. We are alone in this war, and
we must regroup our forces. Do not trust *any heterosexual, except one
who does not hesitate to sport a pink triangle or other gay symbol, or
some pro-gay statement on a T-shirt or sticker. All who do not, are
highly suspect, and you should regard them with a very wary eye, and
from a safe distance.
>I dont care what your sexuality is,
I think you do.
>Your attacking straights the same way you complain that straights are
>attacking you.
How simplistic of you.
>You dont need an army to make people think differently, that never
>works,
Oh, sure. No freedom for a people has every really not gone through a
violent revolution. Including the U.S.A. Remember the Amerikan
Revolution?
> you need education,
Nonsense. All the education possible has been done. Heteros at large
persist in remaining ignorant of gay people. It is their willful act
of hatred, pretending homophobia is only a KKKristian issue.
ZERO TOLERANCE OF HOMOPHOBIA is the only thing that will succeed. In
other words: WHEN BASHED, BASH BACK! Arm yourselves with pepper spray
or other legal weapon of defense.
>compared to what it used to be like for
>homosexual people, people today are becoming far more relaxed about the
>idea of sexuality being personal.
Oh, yes, things are just soooo relaxed, now that Matthew Shepard is in
heaven and all's right with the world.
>all it takes is time, their will always be fantatics though,
Many of us gays are sick of taking any more time for our rights. This
foot dragging by heterocentric society will go on indefinitely, unless
gays use their rage as a force to reckon with. Our time has come! We
will liberate ourselves, without the support or help of any heteros.
>of them, at the moment your as silly and stupid as those people who call
>homosexuality a crime, and unatural, your trying to make straight sex a
>crime and unatural.
Considering that over 90% of all sexual abuse and other violence
arises from hetero men...it would seem then, that there is indeed
something perverted and criminal, in the form of heterosexuality that
currently prevails.
Let's secede from those who breed,
Make it sin to not waste seed!
>You said in an earlier post, that your god made eve to suffer pain and
>blood bearing children, did it ever dawn on you that this is the way
>mother nature made us, not some cruel god,
Oh, please. I am only deconstructing the Old Testament, and showing
what the KKKristians don't want to admit...that their God condemned
heteros. I am not applying this to other world views.
>and that those pains are soon
>forgotten when you hold your child in your arms,
I am forever great that I was not breast fed. Thank you, Gay Jesus!
Pennsylvania Dutch Gay Jesus says:
"Throw the hetero over the fence some hay."
>might it just be that we didnt come from your
>adam and eve. but from the animal kingdom, that we are the result of
>millions of years of evolution, and not some crank gods, idea of
>punishment.
Yes, I believe that evolution is the creator's way of making life
forms. The concept that evolution and creationism must conflict, is a
contrived notion. They don't. Nonetheless, this idea of hetero
supremacy must come to an end...else all gay people will be nothing
more than human laboratory rats to benefit the well being and
longevity of the hetero elite. Example: AIDS, a human-created virus,
was intentionally disseminated to the gay community, by our
heterocentered medical/military establishment.
>Many women would be destroyed if they couldnt have children, its built
>into them, they dont feel complete, and sitting around meditating is not
>going to produce a baby, no matter how much you might want it to.
Oh, please, not that old "woman's prerogative" theory again. For every
woman who believes she possesses a "mother instinct", you'll find at
least two more who couldn't care one whit about being a parent. That
is culturally ingrained, not instinctivie or genetic. My "mother
instinct" is in full force, when it comes to protecting my gay
brothers and sisters...and has nothing really to do, with the female,
or her womb.
>come to your senses, and use your time and passion in educating people
>not in attacking those who are not attacking you.
You are ignorant.
Ezekiel Krahlin
Yakeley) wrote:
>Why should we care what Genesis says?
You shouldn't. It was a comment to deconstruct heterocentrism, as it
has been affirmed for centuries by the Christian powers.
>Most of us pagans aren't really
>interested in the bible, so we're not likely to care much about your
>heterophobic exegesis.
There is no such thing as heterophobia, you idiot. That is just
another ploy to trivialize and denigrate gay people. But I have
already discussed this thoroughly.
Whether or not you are interested in the Bible, you certainly seem to
possess a virulent homophobic attitude that probably sprang from it.
So you'd better pay attention as to where you acquire certain
prejudices...as some Christian ones have apparantly infected you, and
you even cling to them like precious jewels.
Ezekiel Krahlin
>Sorry man, we may have a few heteros and maybe a lot of heteros who
>have done things such as hate crimes to the homos,
"Maybe" a lot of heteros? What planet are you from?
>but by no means is it a majority.
Homo-hating heteros *is the majority. In their silence, they give
power to fuel the Religious Reich. No hetero should be trusted by any
gay, who does not wear some mark of pro-gay identity somewhere on his
body...such as a pink triangle, or T-shirt that says "Another hetero
for gay rights".
> You are also preaching to the choir, as is the old saying.
By the many slurs against being gay that have appeared in these
newsgroups, I'd say you are wrong. Dead wrong.
> Pagans are one of the most receptive groups to homosexuality.
>I have been in the Wiccan/Pagan chats and at least one in ten of the
>Wiccans/Pagans are not only receptive to the idea, but they are Homosexual or
>Bisexual themselves.
Okay, since pagans are so gay-friendly, then I'm sure you can refer me
to a dozen or so gay-relevant tales that make up your pagan lore.
Please do so in your next message.
Ezekiel Krahlin
<floen...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>when you could be getting the word out to others, who would bless you
>>and find comfort in a gay bible for homo Christians.
Clarification: this bible, The Final Testament, is certainly not only
for gay Christians...as it will equally respect and represent *all
world views, including paganism and atheism.
^Harlequin^
Ezekiel Krahlin <ezek...@my-dejanews.com> wrote
>babble
> The Final Testament, a Bible by and for Gays only:
> http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/
> GodHates...@HetBeGone.com
> ---
Im telling you people, dont respond to the guy.
And by the way...you guys know when that gay kid got beaten up, and that
preacher was protesting his funeral. Remember the big beef over the
preacher having a website buy the name of GodHatesGays.com...well talk a
look at this guys email address.
It would seem to me that the hate cant disapate until its gone from both
sides, and it doesnt look like the fire is getting extinguished by any of
the gays posting here...I ask you, why should the hetero hate be wrong
while the hate of a homo be right? Is it because they are a minority? I
dont know, maybe its that I dont classify as any type of minority or have
any quality that would put me handycap, but i dont see why the hell
everyone is making a fuss...People say we need more stricked laws to
protect Gays, well i ask you who is protecting me from this mans foul
remarks, and his harassment? And yet I find it in my strengths to move on,
why shouldnt they have that ability also.
^Harlequin^
Ezekiel Krahlin <ezek...@my-dejanews.com> wrote in article
<3646356a...@nntp.sj.bigger.net>...
> On Sun, 08 Nov 1998 20:31:37 GMT, cyrusd...@hotmail.com (Cyrus
> Dogstar) wrote:
>
> >In fact, I really hate all types of bigotry. Among those I count as my
> >enemies are Neo-Nazis, right-wing Christians, and all racists, bigots,
> >etc.
>
> Goody goody gumdrops for you!
>
> > Which is why I get quite frustrated when I read the crap you are
> >posting!
>
> Oh? No frustration for all the homophobic slurs emanating in response
> to me, from these "alternative religious" newsgroups? Oddly, you
> remain silent over this. It seems you doth protest too much.
>
> >However, you are going a bit far, and turning the tables.
>
> I am a mirror shaman.
> >I am a staunch supporter of the gay rights movement,
>
> Oh, are you now? Do you wear a pink triangle or some other
> gay-relevant symbol or logo, in support of your gay sisters and
> brothers? How about a T-shirt or sticker that proclaims "Another
> hetero for gay rights"? Hmmm? Do you? Do you?
>
HAHAHA, Ok people, remember...Nowwadays you have to be branded to be a
supporter.
And this would be my first encounter with a shaman that is a founder of a
militia and plans to be part of the hurting rather than healing. First
time for everything.
^Harlequin^
ezek...@my-dejanews.com wrote
Yadda yadda yadda...I got so far as the part where you said we have an
Obligation to your sexuality. I tell you what I have no such obligation.
I take it upon myself help people whether they are red, blue, green, black,
white, homo, hetero, tall, short, big nosed, small nosed, large, small. I
have no specific obligation to you or anyone else, i have an obligation
towards myself and myself only. You can have your testament to your god,
and your hetero homo war, I dont give a damn. I'm not a shaman cause I
want to make a statement, I am not like any shaman out there in the world.
I signed no contract that would obligate me to anything, I made it out in
this world, you can do the same. I cant see why you need anyone to back
you up, you think you are strong enough to wage a war, then go to it. You
dont see us fighting Christians, Wiccans, Pagans, Jews, Buddists...We learn
to live without conflict. This does not mean that we fade into the mix and
let people stomp us, we just learned to deal with things. I come from a
community where everyone is a Christian, when I spoke of the fact that I
think that its foolish, i did not attack them, I simply left them to
contemplate the fact that I was different. They were welcome to attack me,
I would fight back, but if no one is attacking why try to start something
where there is nothing. Stop attacking us, we have no problem, your the
one with the problems, everything we say is construing into something you
think is offencive. Deal with your issues, then try posting again.