My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
Frank Martinez Lester
snipped
that part of the post and, as your pattern, refused to answer the
question.
When someone starts a post, "Ok Mr. Tough Talker..." it bespeaks of some
pent up hostility. You also conveinently snipped the reasons I didn't
respond
to your previous request, without addressing them. Mr. Krahlin, these
are
not
the actions of a warrior, or a person with honor.>>
He does the same thing to anyone who differs with him. It's his modus
operandi. He is the self-appointed arbiter of all that is right, he is
the savior of mankind, he is the Almighty Krahlin.
<<So, if I don't act in the exact manner you subscribe, read gay
newspapers,
or even care to, then I'm not gay supportive...? I don't need to
refer to
anything in it, I don't need to send this letter. I never claimed to
have
thrown myself headlong into the gay cause. I do what I can, when I
can.
If that's not good enough for you, tough.>>
Nothing is good enough for the Almighty Krahlin.
<frank.>
Bill Lindemann
That might explain to a small degree his senseless hate-filled
fulminations. That is not an excuse, however, but it *does*
take more effort to remain centered when you are surrounded
by haters.
-Bill
Frank Martinez Lester
I could be wrong but my impression is that he lives in the Castro or
near it.
To Mr Krahlin, anyone who differs from his opinion is a "hater." (And a
"traitor.")
<frank.>
Nicole Lasher
Frank Martinez Lester wrote:
> Nothing is good enough for the Almighty Krahlin.
>
> <frank.>
Yeah, and how many loves of your life have died recently?
I ask you, how would you feel, or react, if you had to watch people you
loved die slowly?
What if their deaths had a cause? Would you not try to do something about
it?
Have you ever watched someone, or some agency, or some "system" slowly crush
the life out of someone who was dear to you?
Or maybe you've never had anyone who was that dear to you?
Try to learn something about the people you are talking to.
~Niki
J. Northwood
<kla...@netvision.net.il> wrote:
>Yeah, and how many loves of your life have died recently?
< sob > Oh, oh dear.
< snif > So, so terribly sad, isn't it?
Grow up, wench.
How many "loves" have you had die at all? First "fiancee", or
whatever you'd like to call it? First "date"? No?
Gee, I win.
>I ask you, how would you feel, or react, if you had to watch people you
>loved die slowly?
Been there, done that, cared for him for five years.
My father in law. He died Christmas Eve, 1995.
by the last eight months he couldn't walk more than three steps, and
even that was with support. By the last two months, he couldn't keep
solid food down. This man who had never cried in his life was sobbing
with the effort of breathing, blubbering over the pain and crying
about how he just wanted to die and get it over with. He was wearing
diapers because he had no bladder or bowel control. He was on
suppositories to quell the nausea, and a bland liquid diet they
_hoped_ would stay down -- sometimes, and only sometimes, it did. And
I was there for him, through the last day. I helped get his body
ready for transport. I helped get the family through their crises,
not giving myself time to grieve, because they needed me as much as I
needed him.
Don't talk to me about loss, lass. Between my friends who've died of
AIDS, some who've suicided over "life issues", one who's still in a
mental institution after her father raped and tried to strangle her,
my family situation . . . yeah, I think I can play the "sympathy" game
rather effectively.
Guess what? I don't give a flying fuck at a rolling doughnut as to
whether or not little Krahlin had an owie on his psyche from his lover
dying. He's acting like a fucking jackass -- a sick, demented,
fucking jackass.
And you're there holding his hand and telling him it's all okay, and
he's oh so sure to be right.
Bullshit.
So he's "disabled". Well guess what, princess? I'm on a mixture of
medications for both physiological and psychophysiological issues. If
I didn't take them, I, too, would be more than eligible for
disability. Right now, if I chose, I could apply and most likely be
accepted due to a degenerative knee condition -- I'll probably be
looking at a replacement or a wheelchair within five years.
So the fuck what?
I'm living my life, and everyone here who's responded to you and your
little friend are living theirs.
He wants to be a separatist? Fine. Let him leave. We've offered him
the money and he claims to have a passport. Let's see him keep his
word for once -- let's see him _prove_ what he's saying.
He won't, though, and we all know it. You know it, too.
>What if their deaths had a cause?
And what if they didn't?
Or what if they had a cause, but there was no damn _reason_ they
should have died?
Tony didn't need to have his cycle throttle stick, sending him tearing
through a barbed-wire fence at sixty miles an hour. He was two days
past sixteen years old -- the bike was a birthday present from his
parents He died less than twenty minutes after leaving his
girlfriend's house.
I got to "identify" the corpse.
Happy birthday, Tony.
>Would you not try to do something about it?
Yeah, but there's a hell of a lot more that one can do besides bitch
and carp about how bad life's treating them.
>Have you ever watched someone, or some agency, or some "system" slowly crush
>the life out of someone who was dear to you?
Oooooh. The big, bad system. The evil, naughty empire that crushes
the soul. Oooooh.
Better get into your bunker and seal it after you while you have the
chance, Ms.survivalist.
>Or maybe you've never had anyone who was that dear to you?
Or maybe they've actually got the moral fibre to take responsibility
for themselves, the courage to make something of themselves and the
inner strength to go on when it feels like the world's crashing around
you day after day after day.
Ever think of that?
>Try to learn something about the people you are talking to.
Pot. Kettle. Oh, fuck it. You know the routine.
B'sides, _you're_ the one claiming to be a mediator.
Then again, your little pal claims to be possessed by Angels.
I'm looking at both statements, here.
And you know what?
I'm laughing.
Magenta
<w...@ix.netcom.com> doth speak:
>Does Zeke live in some jerkwater Xtian fundamentalist hellhole?
>That might explain to a small degree his senseless hate-filled
>fulminations. That is not an excuse, however, but it *does*
>take more effort to remain centered when you are surrounded
>by haters.
No, he lives in San Francisco. He is just mentally ill. He is a
paranoid schizophrenic, he was diagnosed, and he does not take his
medication. He thinks it is part of a plot against him. Instead, he
self-medicates with herbal remedies and thinks his psychosis is a gift
from God. No, I am NOT making this up.
--
+----- Peace & Love, ----+------- Magenta77 (at) AOL (dot) com ------+
| /| /| _ _ _ _-|-_ |"There are more things in heaven and earth,|
| / |/ |(_|(_|(/_| )|(_| |...Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." |
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Magenta
<kla...@netvision.net.il> doth speak:
>Frank Martinez Lester wrote:
>
>> Nothing is good enough for the Almighty Krahlin.
>Yeah, and how many loves of your life have died recently?
>I ask you, how would you feel, or react, if you had to watch people you
>loved die slowly?
>What if their deaths had a cause? Would you not try to do something about
>it?
>Have you ever watched someone, or some agency, or some "system" slowly crush
>the life out of someone who was dear to you?
>Or maybe you've never had anyone who was that dear to you?
>Try to learn something about the people you are talking to.
Niki, we KNOW about the person we are talking to. Having death and
sadness in your life is NO EXCUSE for paranoia. You are in a gay
discussion group- just about everyone here has had friends and loved
ones die, just about everyone here has suffered from bigotry in our
lives. These things do not justify his behavior.
I can understand your need to sympathize with him and take pity on
him, that is fine. Just don't get drawn into his world of
self-absorbed hatred.
Frank Martinez Lester
I ask you, how would you feel, or react, if you had to watch people you
loved die slowly?
What if their deaths had a cause? Would you not try to do something about
it?
Have you ever watched someone, or some agency, or some "system" slowly crush
the life out of someone who was dear to you?
Or maybe you've never had anyone who was that dear to you?
Try to learn something about the people you are talking to.>>
You know nothing about me or what I have lost or have not lost, Niki, so I would
suggest that you save your harangues for someone who really deserves them.
I have been HIV-positive for two and a half years, so I know something about
systems crushing life out of people. Try to live without health insurance in
the midst of a life-threatening illness & then come back to me with your smug,
politically correct, holier-than-thou lectures. Your presumption & your
arrogance are beyond belief.
Maybe you need to learn something about the people you denigrate as well. Take
your own advice.
<frank.>
Frank Martinez Lester
Then again, your little pal claims to be possessed by Angels.
I'm looking at both statements, here.
And you know what?
I'm laughing.>>
Thank you, Northwood. I'm laughing with you.
<frank.>
John De Salvio
<kla...@netvision.net.il> wrote:
>
>
> Frank Martinez Lester wrote:
>
> > Nothing is good enough for the Almighty Krahlin.
> >
> > <frank.>
>
> Yeah, and how many loves of your life have died recently?
> I ask you, how would you feel, or react, if you had to watch people you
> loved die slowly?
> What if their deaths had a cause? Would you not try to do something about
> it?
> Have you ever watched someone, or some agency, or some "system" slowly crush
> the life out of someone who was dear to you?
> Or maybe you've never had anyone who was that dear to you?
> Try to learn something about the people you are talking to.
Wake up, Nicole. Most homosexuals who live in cities have gone through it
over and over again. I have friends who have buried dozens of their friends
from AIDS.
But they're not carrying on like this delusional paranoid jerk Ezekiel.
I live in a small rural town. We have seen the deaths of over 300 men to AIDS,
including straight teenagers. One of my close friends has a burial site on his
property for those who died after having been banished by their families.
YOU try learning about the people you are talking to.
--
John
NOTE: "From" address is deliberately wrong.
My correct e-mail address is:
desalvio["AT" SYMBOL]monitor.net
Ward Stewart
wrote:
>Does Zeke live in some jerkwater Xtian fundamentalist hellhole?
>That might explain to a small degree his senseless hate-filled
>fulminations. That is not an excuse, however, but it *does*
>take more effort to remain centered when you are surrounded
>by haters.
>
>-Bill
>
He lives, he has told us, in San Francisco where his mental illness
has forced him to conjure up enemies out of his own paranoia, self
importance and general idiocy.
ward
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
"The default condition for a citizen in our republic is that in any
harmless matter he is FREE to act as he will. He is NOT to be
restricted by prejudices and animosity amongst his neighbors --
if THEY wish to restrain him from his freedom, THEY must
demonstrate the public interest in so restricting him."
Uncle Ward
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Frank Martinez Lester
over and over again. I have friends who have buried dozens of their friends
from AIDS.
I live in a small rural town. We have seen the deaths of over 300 men to AIDS,
including straight teenagers. One of my close friends has a burial site on his
property for those who died after having been banished by their families.
YOU try learning about the people you are talking to.>>
Thank you, John.
<frank.>
Ward Stewart
<kla...@netvision.net.il> wrote:
>
>
>Frank Martinez Lester wrote:
>
>> Nothing is good enough for the Almighty Krahlin.
>>
>> <frank.>
>
>Yeah, and how many loves of your life have died recently?
>I ask you, how would you feel, or react, if you had to watch people you
>loved die slowly?
>What if their deaths had a cause? Would you not try to do something about
>it?
>Have you ever watched someone, or some agency, or some "system" slowly crush
>the life out of someone who was dear to you?
>Or maybe you've never had anyone who was that dear to you?
>Try to learn something about the people you are talking to.
>
>~Niki
That is PRECISELY the point Niki, I spent the last ten years of my
nursing career at the eye of the HIV storm - from the first few of our
patients dying mysteriously to the identification of a full-blown
pandemic largely ignored by the Reaganite politicians and a hostile or
at least uncaring public.
I DO know of the terrible loss and heart-break and I have "done
something about it," both personally and politically; something of
substance, something of worth and something that has borne fruit.
Ten years ago I finally burned out on the horror and retired here in
Hawaii. Here I continued my work with HIV nursing and education on a
smaller scale, one that would not destroy me. I also found an
interesting political situation and by my efforts and that of my
friends we have set in motion a movement for same-gender marriage that
has echoed around the world. The idea existed before our suit but had
ground to a halt -- WE energized it and it developed that it was an
idea 'whose time had come."
To then be told by this silly that I am harming the gay-lesbian
community and have made no contribution equivalent to his nutso comic
strip and his howling on street-corners is INTENSELY offensive --
stupid too! His nattering about Thrace and all the rest of his absurd
rap are feeding into the 'phobes delusions that we are making mad and
unreasonable demands.
Bill Lindemann
> Frank Martinez Lester wrote:
>
> > Nothing is good enough for the Almighty Krahlin.
> >
> > <frank.>
>
> Yeah, and how many loves of your life have died recently?
> I ask you, how would you feel, or react, if you had to watch people you
> loved die slowly?
> What if their deaths had a cause? Would you not try to do something about
> it?
> Have you ever watched someone, or some agency, or some "system" slowly crush
> the life out of someone who was dear to you?
> Or maybe you've never had anyone who was that dear to you?
> Try to learn something about the people you are talking to.
>
> ~Niki
It is unfortunate if this has happened to Mr. Krahlin, but it is no excuse
for his behavior. His is the same horrifying single-mindedness of a
straight person whose son has been molested by a gay man who sets
off on a self-righteous crusade to deprive every gay man and lesbian
he can find of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. His motto is
"a member or members of THAT group did one of my family wrong,
and family love justifies ANYTHING", and he is sure that by attacking
the entire perceived GROUP indiscriminately he can assure himself
of acheiving safety, and having his vengeance.
-Bill
John De Salvio
<kla...@netvision.net.il> wrote:
> I wrote a really good response to your posts, but then deleted it, as it
> would be a wasted effort. Helped me to organize my thoughts, though.
> I opted for the short version...here it is:
> None of you know much about me, and since you didn't ask, I won't tell.
> Far be it from me to interrupt the apparent thrill you are getting from
> your textually sadistic obession with Ezekiel.
> Feel free to continue without me.
>
Thank you, thank you!
'Byeeee!
Bill Lindemann
> What, exactly, do you feel Ezekiel is paranoid about? Don't you feel apprehensive
> when passing by a group of homophobic guys in your town? If you do, do you think
> that makes you paranoid? Is it paranoia to accept that some people hate us and
> want us dead? Is it paranoia to believe that being dead is not a good thing, and
> that if we don't want to be dead, we should defend ourselves?
Nicole, this is not a valid description of Zeke's behavior. Of course
I feel apprehensive when dealing with 'phobes, but if I were Zeke,
I would respond by making a screaming charge at the first str8 couple
I next saw, and proceed to beat them with my fists, all the while
telling them that they are the source of all my problems. It would not
matter to me, if I were Zeke, whether that couple were Xtian fun-
damentalist phobes, or the heads of the local PFLAG chapter. They
would be, by definition, "the enemy".
-Bill
Jeffrey Croft
same?
Nicole Lasher wrote:
> I wrote a really good response to your posts, but then deleted it, as it
> would be a wasted effort. Helped me to organize my thoughts, though.
> I opted for the short version...here it is:
> None of you know much about me, and since you didn't ask, I won't tell.
> Far be it from me to interrupt the apparent thrill you are getting from
> your textually sadistic obession with Ezekiel.
> Feel free to continue without me.
>
> ~Niki
>
James Doemer
Nicole Lasher wrote in message <35F4D9C4...@netvision.net.il>...
>
>
>Frank Martinez Lester wrote:
>
>> Nothing is good enough for the Almighty Krahlin.
>>
>> <frank.>
>
>Yeah, and how many loves of your life have died recently?
>I ask you, how would you feel, or react, if you had to watch people you
>loved die slowly?
Lost my first wife to diabetes... Lost my brother to an auto accident.
>What if their deaths had a cause?
All deaths have a cause.
>Would you not try to do something about
>it?
Depends on what it is.
>Have you ever watched someone, or some agency, or some "system" slowly
crush
>the life out of someone who was dear to you?
Have you? I think that you will find that there isn't too many people
here who hasn't lost a freind, relative, loved one, etc to AIDS. Including
myself and I've not gay.
>Or maybe you've never had anyone who was that dear to you?
>Try to learn something about the people you are talking to.
Take your own advice.
Frank Martinez Lester
when there are others, possibly around you, who feel exactly as he does. >>
I have "come down" on Ezekiel Krahlin because he appears to come down on anyone who does
not share his belief system. There are ways of creating positive & even radical change
that do not involve bullying, antagonism, arrogance, hypocrisy, blame, demonization,
paranoia, delusional thinking, labelling people whom one does not know "traitors" &
"imbeciles," & specializing in messiah complexes. Unfortunately, Mr Krahlin does not
appear to know any other way to relate to people, & if he does, he has not demonstrated
that ability here. If I am wrong about Mr Krahlin, I do not oppose being corrected.
<<You try doing all that AND with a child, and then get back to me. I'm not HIV
positive, but make no mistake, there are other things just as deadly. They are just
things I don't discuss with people I don't know well, or in public. I hate pity.>>
I am not asking for your pity. I am just pointing out that not everything is as simple
as the surface first makes it seem. I felt the need to state the HIV diagnosis
specifically because you stated that you thought that I had no idea what it is like to
try to fight against a system that crushes the life out of people. I did NOT bring up
my HIV diagnosis to garner pity. If you think I was asking for your pity or the pity of
anyone else, you are mistaken.
<<Exactly what did I "presume"?>>
That I did not know the meaning of what is like to deal with systems that crush the life
out of people.
<<Now, please don't take my latest questions as insults. Answer them if you
want...Don't answer them if you don't want...>>
I do not take them as insults & I appreciate your effort to engage with me.
<frank.>
Frank Martinez Lester
of gays toward each other, and transformed our community into a
stronger force. Alas, it has not changed one whit from pre-AIDS eras.
Those gays who were decent before, are the decent ones now. No more,
no less. What a shame.>>
I do not agree with this completely, but I definitely understand the
sentiment. The second wave has not quite exploded yet, but when it does, it
will be a doozie.
<frank.>
Frank Martinez Lester
No, Nicole. He doesn't know you. I don't know you.
The question is: Do you know us? Do you know us? Do you stop before you fire off
questions the way you do to think that there might be shared experience among the
people you are characterizing as complacent, ignorant, shallow, or whatever else it is
you believe we, the horrible, fat, lazy masses, are for not torching every government
building in the United States & running amok with firearms & killing every
heterosexual we come in contact with, fire first, ask questions later? Do you stop to
think that we may have as much pain as you have? Do you stop to think that there is
not a calculus for suffering? Do you stop to think that I might have as much fear of
homophobia as you do & just have different ways of dealing with it than you do & than
Mr Krahlin does? Do you stop to think that that difference may not, believe it or
not, make me a "traitor" to my own kind?
<frank.>
Nicole Lasher
Nicole Lasher
John De Salvio wrote:
Wake up, Nicole. Most homosexuals who live in cities have gone through it
> over and over again. I have friends who have buried dozens of their friends
> from AIDS.
Question: How does that differentiate you from me? Do you know me?
> But they're not carrying on like this delusional paranoid jerk Ezekiel.
Oh? Exactly how are they "carrying on"? I pose this question to you,
specifically....How many activists do you know of who are happy with the status
quo, and tell people to sit on their arses and let only the "leaders" and the
government do the work?
What, exactly, do you feel Ezekiel is paranoid about? Don't you feel apprehensive
when passing by a group of homophobic guys in your town? If you do, do you think
that makes you paranoid? Is it paranoia to accept that some people hate us and
want us dead? Is it paranoia to believe that being dead is not a good thing, and
that if we don't want to be dead, we should defend ourselves?
On top of that, do you have to agree with everything every other person involved
does, in order to support a cause?
I don't believe that bisexuals are all that bad, as a group, but Ezekiel does. I
do, however understand his stance on "bisexual politics", as I have heard the
songs before, so to speak. I know what the swinger scene is like, and the things
that they discuss, which is why I don't associate with those groups in the
bisexual community.
But do I think Ezekiel is paranoid for being suspicious of me, initially? No.
I expect him to be suspicious of me, and would probably have thought less of him
if I didn't catch some safety maneuvering from him at first. I expect to have to
prove myself to everyone I meet...not just as a bisexual, but as a woman, as a
Black woman, as any other category anyone would try to put me in.
People have prejudices. That's life.
Ezekiel sees heterosexuals a suspect until they prove otherwise...Don't you? Or
is it just that you're not willing to say so in public?
> I live in a small rural town. We have seen the deaths of over 300 men to AIDS,
> including straight teenagers. One of my close friends has a burial site on his
> property for those who died after having been banished by their families.
That ought to tell you that Ezekiel isn't as paranoid as you think he is. This
kind of thing happens all the time...Perhaps it is not I who am asleep?
You see what is happening around you.
Aren't you angry?
> YOU try learning about the people you are talking to.
Um, that is why I asked questions instead of flinging insults.
It is not my fault that some people take a challenging question as an insult.
~Niki
Nicole Lasher
Frank Martinez Lester wrote:
> You know nothing about me or what I have lost or have not lost, Niki, so I would
> suggest that you save your harangues for someone who really deserves them.
Which is why I asked instead of telling.
I was, probably stupidly, concerned with how you are feeling, and whether or not you
have suffered a loss for which there was no light at the end of the tunnel. Now, I
know that you have.
I still do not understand why you feel a need to come down on Ezekiel specifically,
when there are others, possibly around you, who feel exactly as he does. I am
trying to figure out whether it is something personal between you and him, or if it
is just that you are projecting onto him, the disdain you have for the more
"gung-ho" activists in your offline life.
I don't know, so I am asking...What is it?
> I have been HIV-positive for two and a half years, so I know something about
> systems crushing life out of people. Try to live without health insurance in
> the midst of a life-threatening illness & then come back to me with your smug,
> politically correct, holier-than-thou lectures.
You try doing all that AND with a child, and then get back to me. I'm not HIV
positive, but make no mistake, there are other things just as deadly. They are just
things I don't discuss with people I don't know well, or in public. I hate pity.
> Your presumption & your
> arrogance are beyond belief.
Exactly what did I "presume"? And what has indicated to you that I am arrogant.
Were I arrogant, would I be bothering with this conversation?
> Maybe you need to learn something about the people you denigrate as well. Take
> your own advice.
Who am I "denigrating" by asking questions?
That's not what questions are for. I asked, you answered, thank you very much.
Now, please don't take my latest questions as insults. Answer them if you
want...Don't answer them if you don't want...
~Niki
>
>
> <frank.>
Nicole Lasher
J. Northwood wrote:
> On Tue, 08 Sep 1998 09:16:21 +0200, Nicole Lasher
> <kla...@netvision.net.il> wrote:
>
> >Yeah, and how many loves of your life have died recently?
>
> < sob > Oh, oh dear.
>
> < snif > So, so terribly sad, isn't it?
>
> Grow up, wench.
>
> How many "loves" have you had die at all? First "fiancee", or
> whatever you'd like to call it? First "date"? No?
Well, I....
> Gee, I win.
Nevermind...apparently, you didn't want to know.
> >I ask you, how would you feel, or react, if you had to watch people you
> >loved die slowly?
>
> Been there, done that, cared for him for five years.
>
> My father in law. He died Christmas Eve, 1995.
>
> by the last eight months he couldn't walk more than three steps, and
> even that was with support. By the last two months, he couldn't keep
> solid food down. This man who had never cried in his life was sobbing
> with the effort of breathing, blubbering over the pain and crying
> about how he just wanted to die and get it over with. He was wearing
> diapers because he had no bladder or bowel control. He was on
> suppositories to quell the nausea, and a bland liquid diet they
> _hoped_ would stay down -- sometimes, and only sometimes, it did. And
> I was there for him, through the last day. I helped get his body
> ready for transport. I helped get the family through their crises,
> not giving myself time to grieve, because they needed me as much as I
> needed him.
Mm-hmm...and you are the *only* one who has been through this...Yup...
::beginning to lose interest in bothering::
> Don't talk to me about loss, lass. Between my friends who've died of
> AIDS, some who've suicided over "life issues", one who's still in a
> mental institution after her father raped and tried to strangle her,
> my family situation . . . yeah, I think I can play the "sympathy" game
> rather effectively.
Yup, and *I*, of course, to your rather limited knowledge of me, have *never* had
to experience *anything* close to being sexually assaulted or strangled...Oh
yeah...I'm just a perfect little lady with a perfect little life, and a perfect
little set of Dick and Jane life experiences...
::dodging lightning::
> Guess what? I don't give a flying fuck at a rolling doughnut as to
> whether or not little Krahlin had an owie on his psyche from his lover
> dying. He's acting like a fucking jackass -- a sick, demented,
> fucking jackass.
And you're not acting like one now?
> And you're there holding his hand and telling him it's all okay, and
> he's oh so sure to be right.
Have you been tracking our email? Oh, then you know I ALWAYS agree with
Ezekiel...He's my idol. I never have a word to say against anything he
says...It's all okay with me...Yup. You know it all, J. Tell us more, please.
I'm dying to hear more about my life.
> Bullshit.
>
> So he's "disabled". Well guess what, princess? I'm on a mixture of
> medications for both physiological and psychophysiological issues. If
> I didn't take them, I, too, would be more than eligible for
> disability. Right now, if I chose, I could apply and most likely be
> accepted due to a degenerative knee condition -- I'll probably be
> looking at a replacement or a wheelchair within five years.
>
> So the fuck what?
So maybe you should consider joining the fight?
> I'm living my life, and everyone here who's responded to you and your
> little friend are living theirs.
As I am living mine...And Ezekiel is living his...HIS way, not your way.
> He wants to be a separatist? Fine. Let him leave. We've offered him
> the money
Did you actually send it?
> and he claims to have a passport. Let's see him keep his
> word for once -- let's see him _prove_ what he's saying.
You do realize that then, you would be under the same burden of proof...and
proving opinions is damn near impossible for most of us feeble-brained,
delusional, non-experienced, plebians...Perhaps you can enlighten us on how you
have managed to do something no debator has been able to do since the dawn of
language?
> He won't, though, and we all know it. You know it, too.
I don't know it, and you don't either, unless you're psychic...::cough::
But maybe he says that because that's what he wants, but there's also a part of
him that wants to make "Amerika" a more home-like home before he gives up
totally?
> >What if their deaths had a cause?
>
> And what if they didn't?
>
> Or what if they had a cause, but there was no damn _reason_ they
> should have died?
>
> Tony didn't need to have his cycle throttle stick, sending him tearing
> through a barbed-wire fence at sixty miles an hour. He was two days
> past sixteen years old -- the bike was a birthday present from his
> parents He died less than twenty minutes after leaving his
> girlfriend's house.
>
> I got to "identify" the corpse.
>
> Happy birthday, Tony.
Of course, I can't identify with this because nobody I ever loved has
died...Nope, not one...::damned lightning...::
> >Would you not try to do something about it?
>
> Yeah, but there's a hell of a lot more that one can do besides bitch
> and carp about how bad life's treating them.
Incoming Cliche: Sometimes talking about it helps...It seems to be helping you,
even if you think you're just taking shots at me.
Now I know you a little better, and I know what not to push you about in the
future.
> >Have you ever watched someone, or some agency, or some "system" slowly crush
> >the life out of someone who was dear to you?
>
> Oooooh. The big, bad system. The evil, naughty empire that crushes
> the soul. Oooooh.
>
> Better get into your bunker and seal it after you while you have the
> chance, Ms.survivalist.
You have a problem with survivalism? Why?
> >Or maybe you've never had anyone who was that dear to you?
>
> Or maybe they've actually got the moral fibre to take responsibility
> for themselves, the courage to make something of themselves and the
> inner strength to go on when it feels like the world's crashing around
> you day after day after day.
>
> Ever think of that?
No, no I have never thought about taking responsibility for myself...It's much
too much fun to use the things I've been through...wait...that I *haven't* been
through, as far as you are concerned ::stop with the lightning already:: to pound
people over the head with.
I like to assume that nobody who is actually concerned with my wellbeing has ever
felt pain. ::cough::
> >Try to learn something about the people you are talking to.
>
> Pot. Kettle. Oh, fuck it. You know the routine.
And yet you still answered the questions. So some part of you probably knows
that they were not meant as insults, but as questions, which is why the inquiry
came before the advice. You just don't want to let yourself believe that I
actually wanted answers, so you textually beat me over the head with them, which
is exactly what I expected you to do.
I'm good at getting what I want...What I wanted was an idea of why you are so
hostile towards Ezekiel in particular, and now me, though I have never called you
out of your name (which is a better courtesy than you have afforded me).
> B'sides, _you're_ the one claiming to be a mediator.
Well, I tried, but one side became hostile towards me for doing so.
> Then again, your little pal claims to be possessed by Angels.
So do lots of people. They're all over the place, but many concentrations can be
found in India, South America, Central America, Africa, Japan, Thailand,
Singapore, etc...You going to ridicule 2/3 of the world's population for being
possessed by spirits on occasion? That's alot of people to ridicule.
Why aren't you in the Voodoo and Santeria newsgroups telling them that they are
all schizophrenic, psychotic, and paranoid?
> I'm looking at both statements, here.
>
> And you know what?
>
> I'm laughing.
I wish I could share your sentiments, but I cannot. I would offer my hand in
friendship and comraderie for the survival of some awful shit in life, but you,
apparently, don't want it...since I'm so P.C. arrogant, and inexperienced and
all...
Just forget I exist...It should be easy. You know nothing about me.
~Niki
Ezekiel Krahlin
<kla...@netvision.net.il> wrote:
>But do I think Ezekiel is paranoid for being suspicious of me, initially? No.
>I expect him to be suspicious of me, and would probably have thought less of him
>if I didn't catch some safety maneuvering from him at first.
Nor would I be offended if your are suspicious of me, either as a
causcasian, or as a male. In fact, I would respect such an attitude,
as I understand somewhat, your own particular struggles...as a woman,
and as a person of color. In fact, I'd perceive you as naive (though
still an excellent human being) were you not suspicious of every man
or white person who first enters your world...as well as foolishly
making yourself vulnerable to possible injury or betrayal.
---
Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass
for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts!
http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm
---
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http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/
Ezekiel Krahlin
<kla...@netvision.net.il> wrote:
>Yeah, and how many loves of your life have died recently?
>I ask you, how would you feel, or react, if you had to watch people you
>loved die slowly?
Apparantly, even this horror of gay genocide is not enough to bring
out their rage...and if not enough at this point, it never will! Even
if I disagree completely with some participant's viewpoints...when
they do bring up the topic of the death of a loved one...I take pause
for empathy, and to make it clear I respect them for dealing with it,
regardless.
However, the moment I first even mentioned my own lover's death, was
there even a momentary blip of understanding? Nope! It was business as
usual: attack Zeke for all your hurts...because he's mentally
disabled, and deserves to be kicked around, just like heteros kick us
gays.
Now, enough time has passed to reveal these people as some of the
worst kinds of human dregs that pose as the most pious. Sorry to see
these are ones who call themselves "gay"...but I guess it takes all
kins. However, this is the material that's out there, no better; and
I work with whatever the fates provide. I'll do my best with old,
cheap clay, if nothing better comes along.
One would think that the legacy of AIDS would have softened the hearts
of gays toward each other, and transformed our community into a
stronger force. Alas, it has not changed one whit from pre-AIDS eras.
Those gays who were decent before, are the decent ones now. No more,
no less. What a shame.
Ezekiel Krahlin
wrote:
>To then be told by this silly that I am harming the gay-lesbian
>community and have made no contribution equivalent to his nutso comic
>strip and his howling on street-corners is INTENSELY offensive --
>stupid too!
I have never accused you of being harmful to the gay community, Wart.
It is *you who accused me of this. However, you do possess some
narrow, elitist view that *are harmful to gay progress. For one, you
instantly condemn anyone who says he has a mental disability...in such
a foul, stereotypical manner comparable to a homophobe's condemnation
of gays.
Nor have I ever said you have made on contributions. I did say that,
while your contributions are commendable, it does not do you much good
to smear other's achievements only because they do not appeal to your
right-wing viewpoints.
Your labelling me as "nutso" and a "howler" shows clearly your
superficial branding of gays with radical inspirations...without ever
looking into the person whom you degrade. And as I said earlier, you
are only racking up more points for bad karma in your life...and
smearing what good reputation you have earned.
Were I the nut you claim, I would *not be garnering support from many
corners, including qualified lawyers. In fact, the tide is turning in
my favor, and I now have more supporters than attackers.
J. Northwood
<kla...@netvision.net.il> wrote:
>I wrote a really good response to your posts, but then deleted it, as it
>would be a wasted effort.
Mmm-hmm.
I'm sure you did.
>Helped me to organize my thoughts, though.
>I opted for the short version...here it is:
>None of you know much about me, and since you didn't ask, I won't tell.
Whoopie.
>Far be it from me to interrupt the apparent thrill you are getting from
>your textually sadistic obession with Ezekiel.
Tell him to call off the hetero-hunt and I'll stop picking on the poor
dear.
>Feel free to continue without me.
'Bye.
J. Northwood
<kla...@netvision.net.il> wrote:
>J. Northwood wrote:
>> On Tue, 08 Sep 1998 09:16:21 +0200, Nicole Lasher
>> <kla...@netvision.net.il> wrote:
>> >Yeah, and how many loves of your life have died recently?
>> < sob > Oh, oh dear.
>> < snif > So, so terribly sad, isn't it?
>> Grow up, wench.
>> How many "loves" have you had die at all? First "fiancee", or
>> whatever you'd like to call it? First "date"? No?
>Well, I....
>> Gee, I win.
>Nevermind...apparently, you didn't want to know.
Oh please. You've never let someone making a statement stop you from
prattling on before. Impress us all with how much worse your life has
been. Children, I think, is the issue you brought up with Frank,
isn't it?
>> >I ask you, how would you feel, or react, if you had to watch people you
>> >loved die slowly?
>> Been there, done that, cared for him for five years.
>> My father in law. He died Christmas Eve, 1995.
>> by the last eight months he couldn't walk more than three steps, and
>> even that was with support. By the last two months, he couldn't keep
>> solid food down. This man who had never cried in his life was sobbing
>> with the effort of breathing, blubbering over the pain and crying
>> about how he just wanted to die and get it over with. He was wearing
>> diapers because he had no bladder or bowel control. He was on
>> suppositories to quell the nausea, and a bland liquid diet they
>> _hoped_ would stay down -- sometimes, and only sometimes, it did. And
>> I was there for him, through the last day. I helped get his body
>> ready for transport. I helped get the family through their crises,
>> not giving myself time to grieve, because they needed me as much as I
>> needed him.
>Mm-hmm...and you are the *only* one who has been through this...Yup...
>::beginning to lose interest in bothering::
Let's see . . . you said "I ask you, how would you feel, or react, if
you had to watch people you loved die slowly", and I answered as you
quoted above. Now you're "beginning to lose interest in bothering".
Why? Don't like it when you're caught out?
Get out of mediation, then, lass, 'cause you won't last ten days as a
professional.
>> Don't talk to me about loss, lass. Between my friends who've died of
>> AIDS, some who've suicided over "life issues", one who's still in a
>> mental institution after her father raped and tried to strangle her,
>> my family situation . . . yeah, I think I can play the "sympathy" game
>> rather effectively.
>Yup, and *I*, of course, to your rather limited knowledge of me, have *never* had
>to experience *anything* close to being sexually assaulted or strangled...Oh
>yeah...I'm just a perfect little lady with a perfect little life, and a perfect
>little set of Dick and Jane life experiences...
>::dodging lightning::
Excuse me, missy, but where did I say that?
Nowhere?
You're right.
Stop reading into my words issues over which you wish to fight. If
you're going to be an apologist for someone who's admitted to lying
for the express purpose of "pushing buttons" and "proving a point", at
least pretend to have the decency to read what others write and
respond to the statements as written.
>> Guess what? I don't give a flying fuck at a rolling doughnut as to
>> whether or not little Krahlin had an owie on his psyche from his lover
>> dying. He's acting like a fucking jackass -- a sick, demented,
>> fucking jackass.
>And you're not acting like one now?
Gee -- I don't know.
You're the mediator, look at it from _my_ side. Tell me what you see.
>> And you're there holding his hand and telling him it's all okay, and
>> he's oh so sure to be right.
>Have you been tracking our email?
No, just your public justification for his position on this newsgroup.
>Oh, then you know I ALWAYS agree with
>Ezekiel...He's my idol. I never have a word to say against anything he
>says...It's all okay with me...Yup. You know it all, J. Tell us more, please.
>I'm dying to hear more about my life.
Sarcasm ill becomes you, little one.
Learn to use it effectively before attempting it on one who knows
better.
>> Bullshit.
>> So he's "disabled". Well guess what, princess? I'm on a mixture of
>> medications for both physiological and psychophysiological issues. If
>> I didn't take them, I, too, would be more than eligible for
>> disability. Right now, if I chose, I could apply and most likely be
>> accepted due to a degenerative knee condition -- I'll probably be
>> looking at a replacement or a wheelchair within five years.
>> So the fuck what?
>So maybe you should consider joining the fight?
What, and live in an isolation tank away from the world? I think not.
Thank you, I'll continue to live in the real world, deal with issues
as they arise and do my damndest to ensure that everyone's got a fair
shake under the law.
Then again, maybe that's because I can see beyond the end of my
agenda.
>> I'm living my life, and everyone here who's responded to you and your
>> little friend are living theirs.
>As I am living mine...And Ezekiel is living his...HIS way, not your way.
And good for him.
The difference is that I'm not telling all homosexuals they're wrong
for being homosexuals. I'm not the one saying they should be ashamed
of who or what they are. I'm not the one questioning the competence
and abilities and skills and souls of each and every person with whom
I disagree.
Mr. Krahlin can live his life as he wishes, but when he gets in my
face, he's getting his attitude thrown back at him.
>> He wants to be a separatist? Fine. Let him leave. We've offered him
>> the money
>Did you actually send it?
Considering he has yet to send an address, no.
If he's willing to sign a contract that the monies sent will be used
to purchase a one-way ticket out of America, then yes, I will somehow
scrape up $50 to contribute to the cause.
Before you, or he, cavils at the "low amount" and "token effort",
that's our food budget for a week. We're a (close to) single-income
household. I'll give what I can afford -- just like I do to charities
and just like I do for family.
>> and he claims to have a passport. Let's see him keep his
>> word for once -- let's see him _prove_ what he's saying.
>You do realize that then, you would be under the same burden of proof...
Of _WHAT_?
What have I claimed that I haven't made an effort to prove?
I'm not the one saying "I'm leaving Amerika . . . I've got my passport
all ready . . ." He is.
>and
>proving opinions is damn near impossible for most of us feeble-brained,
>delusional, non-experienced, plebians...
He stated that he has a passport. He's stated that, had he the money,
he'd leave "Amerika". Those aren't opinions, lass, they're statements
of (supposed) fact.
To prove them, he merely has to take the money, buy a ticket and
leave.
>Perhaps you can enlighten us on how you
>have managed to do something no debator has been able to do since the dawn of
>language?
What, shown someone how to board a plane?
It's not that difficult, really.
Would you like a diagram?
>> He won't, though, and we all know it. You know it, too.
>I don't know it, and you don't either, unless you're psychic...::cough::
My, you certainly know how to be an effective mediator, and see both
sides of the issue . . . < cough >
>But maybe he says that because that's what he wants, but there's also a part of
>him that wants to make "Amerika" a more home-like home before he gives up
>totally?
Not based on his words.
>> >What if their deaths had a cause?
>> And what if they didn't?
>> Or what if they had a cause, but there was no damn _reason_ they
>> should have died?
>> Tony didn't need to have his cycle throttle stick, sending him tearing
>> through a barbed-wire fence at sixty miles an hour. He was two days
>> past sixteen years old -- the bike was a birthday present from his
>> parents He died less than twenty minutes after leaving his
>> girlfriend's house.
>> I got to "identify" the corpse.
>> Happy birthday, Tony.
>Of course, I can't identify with this because nobody I ever loved has
>died...Nope, not one...::damned lightning...::
And did I say you couldn't?
You're setting up straw men, lass.
Typical fundamentalist ploy, and hardly surprising in this
circumstance, but not very honest of you.
Then again, that's hardly surprising either.
>> >Would you not try to do something about it?
>> Yeah, but there's a hell of a lot more that one can do besides bitch
>> and carp about how bad life's treating them.
>Incoming Cliche: Sometimes talking about it helps...It seems to be helping you,
>even if you think you're just taking shots at me.
I hardly think I'm "just taking shots at [you]."
Talking about it helps, yes. So does _doing_ something about it.
>Now I know you a little better, and I know what not to push you about in the
>future.
Really? Then you'll stop reading into my words things I haven't said,
begin performing as a mediator (or counselor) ought and stop being so
snide when people disagree with you?
Good.
>> >Have you ever watched someone, or some agency, or some "system" slowly crush
>> >the life out of someone who was dear to you?
>> Oooooh. The big, bad system. The evil, naughty empire that crushes
>> the soul. Oooooh.
>> Better get into your bunker and seal it after you while you have the
>> chance, Ms.survivalist.
>You have a problem with survivalism?
No.
>Why?
Why do you ask?
>> >Or maybe you've never had anyone who was that dear to you?
>> Or maybe they've actually got the moral fibre to take responsibility
>> for themselves, the courage to make something of themselves and the
>> inner strength to go on when it feels like the world's crashing around
>> you day after day after day.
>> Ever think of that?
>No, no I have never thought about taking responsibility for myself...It's much
>too much fun to use the things I've been through...wait...that I *haven't* been
>through, as far as you are concerned ::stop with the lightning already:: to pound
>people over the head with.
Let's see -- you publicly support Mr. Krahlin with his vitriolic
diatribes, you make an assumptive statement (ne: "maybe you've never
had anyone who was that dear to you?"), and yet you have the temerity
to quibble over what someone says in refutation of your bunk.
Again, Miss Lasher, not very sporting, not very honest, and all too
typical.
>I like to assume that nobody who is actually concerned with my wellbeing has ever
>felt pain. ::cough::
It shows.
>> >Try to learn something about the people you are talking to.
>> Pot. Kettle. Oh, fuck it. You know the routine.
>And yet you still answered the questions. So some part of you probably knows
>that they were not meant as insults, but as questions, which is why the inquiry
>came before the advice.
They were phrased in an insulting fashion.
I sincerely hope you've reconsidered your career choice -- I shudder
to think of what your clients would face if they disagreed with one of
your little friends or your pet theories.
>You just don't want to let yourself believe that I
>actually wanted answers, so you textually beat me over the head with them, which
>is exactly what I expected you to do.
Ah, yes. You were, what's the phrase, "pushing my buttons".
So _you're_ psychic? You knew (or expected) that I'd answer your
"questions" to someone else.
Oh, mighty Lasher, enlighten us with your wisdom, pray.
What _are_ the upcoming PowerBall numbers? I have a bunker to build.
>I'm good at getting what I want...What I wanted was an idea of why you are so
>hostile towards Ezekiel in particular,
Because he is reaping what he has sown.
>and now me,
See above.
>though I have never called you
>out of your name (which is a better courtesy than you have afforded me).
I'm afraid I don't understand what you're saying here.
Do you mean my use of "lass"?
>> B'sides, _you're_ the one claiming to be a mediator.
>Well, I tried, but one side became hostile towards me for doing so.
Ah.
Will that be your excuse if you follow through with your career?
"Well, <snif> I tried to <snuffle> mediate, but . . . <sob> . . . but
they were all poopy-heads."
Yes, I can certainly see rapid career advancement in your future.
>> Then again, your little pal claims to be possessed by Angels.
>So do lots of people.
Within a religious context, yes, there are a number; however, there
are a far more limited number of those who claim and admit to
psychological dysfunction and use it as an excuse for their
"channeling".
>They're all over the place, but many concentrations can be
>found in India, South America, Central America, Africa, Japan, Thailand,
>Singapore, etc...You going to ridicule 2/3 of the world's population for being
>possessed by spirits on occasion?
And just where are you getting these figures?
>That's alot of people to ridicule.
Are they all saying "I'm borderline schizophrenic"?
>Why aren't you in the Voodoo and Santeria newsgroups telling them that they are
>all schizophrenic, psychotic, and paranoid?
Because I don't believe they are. Because both the Lukumi and the
Voudon I've dealt with have been very up-front about their religious
beliefs and about their dealings with others. Because both respect
all life as part of their religions -- whether heterosexual,
homosexual or bisexual, the importance is in the acceptance of the
Oguns and the Orishas.
Because they aren't out just to "push buttons". Because they work
themselves into an ecstatic state to communicate for specific reasons.
Because they're not out to vilify entire categories of people for some
real or imagined slight.
That's why.
>> I'm looking at both statements, here.
>> And you know what?
>> I'm laughing.
>I wish I could share your sentiments, but I cannot. I would offer my hand in
>friendship and comraderie for the survival of some awful shit in life, but you,
>apparently, don't want it...since I'm so P.C. arrogant, and inexperienced and
>all...
You're reading into my words again.
Care to simply read what I've written?
>Just forget I exist...It should be easy. You know nothing about me.
And Miss Lasher, you know nothing about me.
Please, don't forget that.
J. Northwood
<FMLe...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>Thank you, Northwood. I'm laughing with you.
"Laugh, and the world laughs with you.
Cry, and your nose runs."
- Laughing Cow Cheese Slogan
Ezekiel Krahlin
Me and all my angels applaud you for *that one, Niki! We must not
forget the demons, too...as they also are on my side. As a bodhisaatva
extraordinaire, I truly have no real enemies. As I said in a message
in a previous thread: By the time any hateful attack reaches me, it
has turned itself into an angel's kiss. Welcome to:
THE ORDER OF THE BLUE ROSE
copyright 1998 by
Ezekiel J. Krahlin
petals twisted around themselves
tremble to surrender to the world
a glory to be witnessed
beneath the brilliant sun
my heart is a blue rose
the chain of command
the chain of heartbreak
the rosey chain
radiates from my heart
chakra lotus blossom
4th seal of the apocalypse
spreads over eureka valley s.f.
petals tossed into a concrete pond
ripple outward
and beyond
as i fall into the arms of the
new marines soldiers of the pink triangle
army of lovers invincible
stand before the world
and the world trembles: thracians!
same sex paramours
militias skilled in the art of love
physical beauty and stamina:
all weapons to win
the heart of the enemy
to our side
or perish
provocateurs of seduction shall throw down
the garters of all governments
and the whores of cold cash
these are the thracians
and the innermost circle:
the order of the blue rose
instant death to you who scorn
any one of my beloved warriors
let this be commandment 11
legions of unicorns and winged horses
stand ready for battle
to serve as warrior steeds
the moment i give the signal
a blue rose in the window
Ezekiel Krahlin
<FMLe...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>I have "come down" on Ezekiel Krahlin because he appears to come down on anyone who does
>not share his belief system.
Wrong. Only the general belief system that says it is wrong to
denigrate minorities, for any reason. Numerous gays in this group have
spoken the cruelest words about disabled people and the poor...using
me for their whipping post.
>There are ways of creating positive & even radical change
>that do not involve bullying, antagonism, arrogance, hypocrisy, blame, demonization,
>paranoia, delusional thinking, labelling people whom one does not know "traitors" &
>"imbeciles," & specializing in messiah complexes.
I would say I fit none of the above descriptions.
>If I am wrong about Mr Krahlin, I do not oppose being corrected.
I would hope not; for corrected you shall soon be.
>I am not asking for your pity. I am just pointing out that not everything is as simple
>as the surface first makes it seem. I felt the need to state the HIV diagnosis
And that was a brave thing to do.
Ezekiel Krahlin
Northwood) wrote:
>>> So he's "disabled". Well guess what, princess? I'm on a mixture of
>>> medications for both physiological and psychophysiological issues. If
>>> I didn't take them, I, too, would be more than eligible for
>>> disability. Right now, if I chose, I could apply and most likely be
>>> accepted due to a degenerative knee condition -- I'll probably be
>>> looking at a replacement or a wheelchair within five years.
Ooops, I almost missed this statement. I appreciate this person's
honesty for this remark about the condition of his health. I would
never pounce on him for that, and use that as an Achilles heel to tear
him down. In fact, I support him for his courage to bring this up, in
a public venue, and will defend him on this matter.
What I and Niki have been pointing out is that some of my attackers
do not care to draw a line anywhere, when it comes to ethical
behavior. It's all grist for their mill, and they'll use whatever is
handy, as a weapon to villify me. So, once I mention I have what is
classified as a mental disability, I am called some of the worst
stereotypes that Amerikans have for the poor and the disabled. That is
horrible, IMO, especially when coming from my gay brothers and
sisters.
>The difference is that I'm not telling all homosexuals they're wrong
>for being homosexuals.
Well, I'm certainly not doing that. I am, however, telling *some
homosexuals that they are wrong for having certain bigoted attitudes.
This "some" that I address is less than a dozen...hardly what could be
termed "all".
>I'm not the one saying they should be ashamed of who or what they are.
Nor am I. But again, this *some whom I address, I say, should be
ashamed for denigrating other minorities...which they have clearly
done, including yourself.
>I'm not the one questioning the competence and abilities and skills and
>souls of each and every person with whom I disagree.
Nor am I. However, when a gay person makes bigoted remarks about
others, I will most certainly challenge him in the public arena.
>Mr. Krahlin can live his life as he wishes,
I do not need your permission, dearest.
>but when he gets in my face, he's getting his attitude thrown back at him.
No, it is not my own attitude I get thrown back. What does get thrown
at me is your own evil attitudes, which I have neither generated nor
deserved. I am a modern-day shaman, a healer. And it is my spirit that
draws out the nasty toxins from your festering soul. My spirit is like
a salve, and for those in such perverted pain, I cannot do all my
doctoring without the patient squirming in discomfort for a while.
In a little while from now, you will be completely healed...and no
longer my enemy, but a friend. Meanwhile, I understand your personal
agony, and am not offended that you direct it at me. Sometimes, when
wounded on the battlefield, emergency care must be performed without
benefit of anesthetic.
>>> He wants to be a separatist? Fine. Let him leave. We've offered him
>>> the money
>
>>Did you actually send it?
>
>Considering he has yet to send an address, no.
I will most likely purchase a mail box soon. But your offer for money
was to go to Holland. You did not offer to provide any way for me to
afford to stay there, while processing my papers to become a citizen.
Without such additional provisions, they will ship me right back to
Amerika.
>If he's willing to sign a contract that the monies sent will be used
>to purchase a one-way ticket out of America, then yes, I will somehow
>scrape up $50 to contribute to the cause.
$50 will get me from here to Lake Tahoe. I don't think they speak
Dutch in Lake Tahoe.
>I'm not the one saying "I'm leaving Amerika . . . I've got my passport
>all ready . . ." He is.
I'm sick of continuing to live, immersed in homophobic attitudes
wherever I go. Even "gay mecca" is a gross failure and betrayal in
this matter. In Holland, I can better serve the cause of gay rights;
as I wouldn't have such constant distraction of homophobic threats and
attacks.
>He stated that he has a passport. He's stated that, had he the money,
>he'd leave "Amerika". Those aren't opinions, lass, they're statements
>of (supposed) fact.
>
>To prove them, he merely has to take the money, buy a ticket and
>leave.
Untrue. Without other kinds of support, soon as I run out of they'd
ship me outta there. Holland is not *quite as liberal as it once was,
for a while. I would need some solid connections in The Netherlands,
as well as prove myself to be a valuable citizen to my adopted
country. My record of disability me be regarded as a strike against
this. However, if they gave me a *chance, I'd show them my stuff, and
they'd never dream of letting me go. I'd love to be adopted by
Holland.
>>I'm good at getting what I want...What I wanted was an idea of why you are so
>>hostile towards Ezekiel in particular,
>
>Because he is reaping what he has sown.
Incorrect. I am in the process of removing the pus from your spirit,
and from numerous others. Good thing I carried a bucket with me!
>Within a religious context, yes, there are a number;
My context is spiritual, not religious.
>however, there are a far more limited number of those who claim
>and admit to psychological dysfunction and use it as an excuse
>for their "channeling".
I claim that many people who are classified as mentally dysfunctional,
are actually psychically gifted. Most of the phonies are those in
perfect mental health, who are out to make a quick buck. You should
read some of Carl Jung's teachings, to understand more on this issue.
I do not seek out psychic groups, or attempt to set myself as some
sort of channeler, where my shingle hangs from my window, and I charge
exorbitant fees. Being a shaman is a normal state of affairs for me,
and my role is to serve "everyman", not the affluent elite. My
compassion is more directed to the poor and downtrodden, than to the
materially comfortable.
>Are they all saying "I'm borderline schizophrenic"?
If they were living in Amerika, many would be so classified.
>Because I don't believe they are. Because both the Lukumi and the
>Voudon I've dealt with have been very up-front about their religious
>beliefs and about their dealings with others.
And of course, because I don't fit into any religious pigeonhole, I am
not valid! Amerikans are so locked into labels and boxes, they can't
conceive of anything else that does not fit into one.
>Because they aren't out just to "push buttons". Because they work
>themselves into an ecstatic state to communicate for specific reasons.
That's not my style. My ecstatic states just come upon me, seemingly
without my trying to bring them out.
>Because they're not out to vilify entire categories of people for some
>real or imagined slight.
You just do not comprehend me, or your nasty nature blinds you to a
bigger reality. But of course, I expect to be challenged as to my
claims...however, I can easily discern between a challenge and a slam.
Jeffrey Croft
> I have never accused you of being harmful to the gay community, Wart.
> It is *you who accused me of this. However, you do possess some
> narrow, elitist view that *are harmful to gay progress. For one, you
> instantly condemn anyone who says he has a mental disability...in such
> a foul, stereotypical manner comparable to a homophobe's condemnation
> of gays.
You're lying. You just made all that up.
Ezekiel Krahlin
Northwood) wrote:
>Considering he has yet to send an address, no.
Okay, I just blew a $115 wad for a 6-month use of a mailbox service.
This means I must live on oatmeal and apples the last week of
September. No big deal, it's a healthy semi-fast. My address is:
Ezekiel J. Krahlin
584 Castro St., Suite 436
San Francisco, CA 94114
But I did not get this mailbox, to receive any monies. This is in case
anyone who cares to help me with the Pee Nuts issue, can mail me
pertinent information (that can't be sent via e-mail) in my defense.
This would include photocopies of other Peanuts and Sunday Comic
parodies from Mad Magazine and elsewhere. And anything else anyone
feels will provide evidence in my favor.
This mailbox will also be used as a community service, where I will
receive artwork and writings by gay men and women who are too poor to
afford an Internet connection...for which I will freely give them a
voice on the web with a free web page. Hopefully, some people in these
newsgroups will search for homeless and poor gays, and offer to
collect their writings and other art (as well as pay for mailing
expense)...then send it to me, whereby I'll put their contributions on
the web. Perhaps some of you with cameras can send me a photograph of
a contributor, and perhaps photos of art work that cannot be scanned
or copied any other way. (I have a color scanner.)
Those homeless/poor who do not have the creative flair to write...are
welcome to tell their story and opinions, which I will then post to
their free web page. This probably means that those gays more
materially affluent, must take the time to listen to their story, and
record it...then send the results to me. Please, spare me the
transcription work by first translating everything into a mailable
document, preferrably e-mail, though snail-mail is also acceptable.
(Snail-mailed printouts mean more work for me though, via optical
scanning; or, if the papers are too smudged, or handwritten, I would
actually have to re-type everything from scratch...ouch! Since I have
RSI, I really cannot type to much. If I could afford good dictation
voice recognition software, I'd be using it.)
As for money to send me to Holland: you guys work out a collection
pool on your own...and should the time ever come when I'm finally
ready to make the move, you can then send me the plane ticket. Do not
send me any money for this...for if you do, I would likely lose the
discipline of maintaining the reserve, and divvy it up between any
number of homeless/poor gay folks.
However, my climb to celebrity status will likely be so rapid, that I
will be offered the keys to Amsterdam, for my pro-gay activities,
anyway. But thanks for your offer just the same...however, since it is
wrapped in malicious intent, I must turn it down.
Ezekiel Krahlin
Northwood) wrote:
>Considering he has yet to send an address, no.
Okay, I just blew a $115 wad for a 6-month use of a mailbox service.
James B. Tyler
[all snipped, except:]
> Since I have RSI, I really cannot type to (sic) much.
Glub help us, then, if you *didn't* have RSI.
Jim "sure coulda fooled me!" Tyler <tyl...@crl.com>
Ezekiel Krahlin
wrote:
>Of course
>I feel apprehensive when dealing with 'phobes, but if I were Zeke,
>I would respond by making a screaming charge at the first str8 couple
>I next saw, and proceed to beat them with my fists, all the while
>telling them that they are the source of all my problems.
I don't do that. I have never done that. So you definitely do not
grasp my tactics. Therefore: how do you justify interpreting me in
this way?
>It would not matter to me, if I were Zeke, whether that couple were
>Xtian fundamentalist phobes, or the heads of the local PFLAG
>chapter. They would be, by definition, "the enemy".
Too bad you interpret me in this fashion. But, as I said earlier, it
takes some intelligence to understand my policies.
Ezekiel Krahlin
<FMLe...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>I do not agree with this completely, but I definitely understand the
>sentiment. The second wave has not quite exploded yet, but when it does, it
>will be a doozie.
I *am the second wave, dufus! What do you think my voice stands for?
You wouldn't know the second wave if it hits you over the head...and
it is, it is! Say hello to the second wave...though you can call me
Zeke.
Frank Martinez Lester
<<You wouldn't know the second wave if it hits you over the head...and
it is, it is! >>
Even when someone agrees with him EK cannot help but vent hostility & hurl
insults.
<frank.>
Frank Martinez Lester
our real position in society and an awareness of what our position
should be, MUST be in a decent society. >>
Um ..... NOT!!!
<frank.>
Ward Stewart
<FMLe...@pacbell.net> wrote:
><<One would think that the legacy of AIDS would have softened the hearts
>of gays toward each other, and transformed our community into a
>stronger force. Alas, it has not changed one whit from pre-AIDS eras.
>Those gays who were decent before, are the decent ones now. No more,
>no less. What a shame.>>
>
>I do not agree with this completely, but I definitely understand the
>sentiment. The second wave has not quite exploded yet, but when it does, it
>will be a doozie.
>
><frank.>
My experience of the Gay/Lesbian community and its relationship to
the HIV virus has been quite otherwise -- The price has been hideous
but the effect has been tonic in the extreme.
There was, in those "good old days," a disconnected community under
terrible and negative attack, discounted as worthless, as less than
human, as trivial, "light in the loafers." Fairies. Our long long
history known to only a few and discussed by that same few. We were,
most of us timid and intimidated. Since the ONLY information,
scientific and religious, available to us indicated that we were to be
seated below the salt, only a relatively few of us managed to hold
ourselves above the shit-storm.
Since then we have acquired a commonality of interest, an awareness of
our real position in society and an awareness of what our position
should be, MUST be in a decent society.
ward
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Ezekiel Krahlin
>> Since I have RSI, I really cannot type to (sic) much.
>
>Glub help us, then, if you *didn't* have RSI.
And remember, Glub spelled backwards is...
Ezekiel Krahlin
wrote:
>Lost my first wife to diabetes... Lost my brother to an auto accident.
Another courageous statement to make in the public arena.
Ezekiel Krahlin
Nope, I have save the theads in which he has done just that. Give me a
day or two to dig them out. I will also include slurs made by others,
about the poor and disabled. And if you challenge the accuracy of my
quotes in this matter, you can just search for them in Deja News, to
compare.
You were counting on the possibility that I did not save these
conversations, no doubt. Well, I am about to call your bluff.
Bill Lindemann
> Okay, I just blew a $115 wad for a 6-month use of a mailbox service.
> This means I must live on oatmeal and apples the last week of
> September.
I hope you get more service for your $115 than just a box. Herein Mountain View
I paid $20 for 6-months rent on a box at the
Post Office.
-Bill
Ward Stewart
<je...@genesyslab.com> wrote:
>Ezekiel Krahlin wrote:
>
>> I have never accused you of being harmful to the gay community, Wart.
>> It is *you who accused me of this. However, you do possess some
>> narrow, elitist view that *are harmful to gay progress. For one, you
>> instantly condemn anyone who says he has a mental disability...in such
>> a foul, stereotypical manner comparable to a homophobe's condemnation
>> of gays.
>
>You're lying. You just made all that up.
>
>Jeff
>jdc...@nospam.best.com
I am a psychiatric nurse and spent years and years working with the
mentally ill -- I do NOT and have NOT condemned then in a "foul,
stereotypical manner," or in any other manner.
HOWEVER, I do not choose to be led into the thickets of politics by
the manifestly unsound.
THEN., we have a special group of folks who are "disabled" and are
relieving public money and decline to accept treatment for their
illness. The SSI runs on out of all our pockets and they are in line
for that but not for treatment. If I had my way in the matter, their
SSI would be cut the hell off and that money spent on those who are
honestly struggling with their disabilities.
ward
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
"The default condition for a citizen in our republic is that in any
harmless matter he is FREE to act as he will. He is NOT to be
restricted by prejudices and animosity amongst his neighbors --
if THEY wish to restrain him from his freedom, THEY must
demonstrate the public interest in so restricting him."
Uncle Ward
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Ezekiel Krahlin
wrote:
>Since then we have acquired a commonality of interest, an awareness of
>our real position in society and an awareness of what our position
>should be, MUST be in a decent society.
Awareness of ourselves as a people, was already taking shape prior to
the arrival of the plague. I believe AIDS has done more to set us
back, then had we never experienced this awful disease in the first
place. The loss of many wonderful souls...including my own lovers and
friends...is a great loss of wisdom and power.
What will win us our rights, is not whatever "wisdom" may have been
garnered by AIDS (which is highly dubious)...is a destiny that will
override any eventual attempt to annihilate us. Some will call it
divine intercession, others will call it a very lucky turn of events.
Both will be correct.
Ezekiel Krahlin
wrote:
>He's as useless as tits on a boar hog.
You would know.
Scruffy van Piebles
Krahlin) wrote:
>
>Too bad you interpret me in this fashion. But, as I said earlier, it
>takes some intelligence to understand my policies.
>
Or some mushrooms.
Scruffy
RavensHeart
wrote:
>On Wed, 09 Sep 1998 11:35:07 -0700, Jeffrey Croft
I'm disabled,
No, wait. I wrote that just to get a response.
No, wait. I'm disabled.
No, wait. I am an archangel speaking through zeke
No, wait. I'm disabled.
No, wait. I'm putting you on.
No, wait. I'm disabled.
I didn't rent my mailbox to receive money.
No, wait. You can send contributions if you want.
No, wait. I spent $115 for the mailbox.
No, wait. I don't want your contributions.
No, wait. I'm living on apples and oatmeal.
No, wait. You can send me money.
No, wait. I didn't rent my mailbox to receive money.
No, wait.
.
Ward Stewart
>In ba.motss Ezekiel Krahlin <ezek...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
>
>[all snipped, except:]
>
>> Since I have RSI, I really cannot type to (sic) much.
>
>Glub help us, then, if you *didn't* have RSI.
>
>Jim "sure coulda fooled me!" Tyler <tyl...@crl.com>
What the hell is RSI??
ward
***********************************************************
"I am constantly mystified by this notion of "disagreeing"
with homosexuality -- not unlike disagreeing with Tuesday --
like it or not, every seven days, there it is -- TUESDAY.
uncle ward
***********************************************************
Ward Stewart
<FMLe...@pacbell.net> wrote:
><<Since then we have acquired a commonality of interest, an awareness of
>our real position in society and an awareness of what our position
>should be, MUST be in a decent society. >>
>
>Um ..... NOT!!!
>
><frank.>
The word NOT is pehaps just a little short of a contribution to the
Socratic Dialogue.
Bill Lindemann
> What the hell is RSI??
>
> ward
Repetitive Stress Injury (eg. carpal tunnel syndrome). Means
his wrists get inflamed when he types ... not unlike his verbiage,
as well.
-Bill
Jeffrey Croft
> Nope, I have save the theads in which he has done just that. Give me a
> day or two to dig them out. I will also include slurs made by others,
> about the poor and disabled. And if you challenge the accuracy of my
> quotes in this matter, you can just search for them in Deja News, to
> compare.
OK. I'm awaiting your post.
> You were counting on the possibility that I did not save these
> conversations, no doubt. Well, I am about to call your bluff.
No, not at all. I really would like you to post the material you're talking
about. I guess what I'm doing is expressing my opinion that Ward is more
credible than you.
Jeffrey Croft
> I *am the second wave, dufus! What do you think my voice stands for?
> You wouldn't know the second wave if it hits you over the head...and
> it is, it is! Say hello to the second wave...though you can call me
> Zeke.
You're so insulting. No one is ever capable of understanding your
oh-so-enlightened motives for more than five minutes at a time, are they?
J. Northwood
(RavensHeart) wrote:
< snip >
>I'm disabled,
>No, wait. I wrote that just to get a response.
>No, wait. I'm disabled.
>No, wait. I am an archangel speaking through zeke
>No, wait. I'm disabled.
>No, wait. I'm putting you on.
>No, wait. I'm disabled.
>I didn't rent my mailbox to receive money.
>No, wait. You can send contributions if you want.
>No, wait. I spent $115 for the mailbox.
>No, wait. I don't want your contributions.
>No, wait. I'm living on apples and oatmeal.
>No, wait. You can send me money.
>No, wait. I didn't rent my mailbox to receive money.
>No, wait.
Scary, RavensHeart -- I didn't know if this was another "incarnation"
of Herr Krahlin or if it really _was_ you for a moment.
< shiver >
cub...@cjnetworks.com
wste...@hi.net (Ward Stewart) wrote:
> What the hell is RSI??
Repetitive Stress Injury.
This is an injury brought on by repeatedly going through the same motion.
It is common amongst assembly-line facroty workers and typists.
The most common and best-known form of RSI is Carpal Tunnel Syndrome.
--
Mike Silverman -- cub...@cjnetworks.com
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> On 9 Sep 1998 21:53:04 GMT, James B. Tyler <tyl...@crl.crl.com> wrote:
>
> >In ba.motss Ezekiel Krahlin <ezek...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
> >
> >[all snipped, except:]
> >
> >> Since I have RSI, I really cannot type to (sic) much.
> >
> >Glub help us, then, if you *didn't* have RSI.
> >
> >Jim "sure coulda fooled me!" Tyler <tyl...@crl.com>
>
>
> What the hell is RSI??
>
> ward
Rather Shallow Intellect.
--
John
NOTE: "From" address is deliberately wrong.
My correct e-mail address is:
desalvio["AT" SYMBOL]monitor.net
Rev. Billy
>In article <360293ce...@news.hi.net>, wste...@hi.net (Ward Stewart)
>wrote:
>> On 9 Sep 1998 21:53:04 GMT, James B. Tyler <tyl...@crl.crl.com> wrote:
>> >In ba.motss Ezekiel Krahlin <ezek...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
>> >[all snipped, except:]
>> >> Since I have RSI, I really cannot type to (sic) much.
>> >Glub help us, then, if you *didn't* have RSI.
>> >Jim "sure coulda fooled me!" Tyler <tyl...@crl.com>
>> What the hell is RSI??
>> ward
>Rather Shallow Intellect.
DAMN, I thought he'd been eating British Beef !!!!
(although it might explain alot)
James Doemer
Scruffy van Piebles wrote in message
<35faa158...@news.supernews.com>...
Hehehe, personally, I prefer the Peyote...
L. Michael Roberts
<snippage>
> I'm disabled,
> No, wait. I wrote that just to get a response.
> No, wait. I'm disabled.
> No, wait. I am an archangel speaking through zeke
> No, wait. I'm disabled.
> No, wait. I'm putting you on.
> No, wait. I'm disabled.
>
> I didn't rent my mailbox to receive money.
> No, wait. You can send contributions if you want.
> No, wait. I spent $115 for the mailbox.
> No, wait. I don't want your contributions.
> No, wait. I'm living on apples and oatmeal.
> No, wait. You can send me money.
> No, wait. I didn't rent my mailbox to receive money.
> No, wait.
ROFLMAO!!!!
+==================== L. Michael Roberts ======================+
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Burlington, Ont, Canada To reply, remove 'SpamSux' from my E-ddress
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Frank Martinez Lester
Our great Mikado, virtuous man,
When he to rule our land began,
Resolved to try a plan whereby
Young men might best be steadied.
So he decreed, in words succinct,
That all who flirted, leered or winked,
Unless connubially linked,
Should forthwith be beheaded, beheaded, beheaded,
Should forthwith be beheaded.
And I expect you'll all agree
That he was right to so decree.
And I am right and you are right
And all is right as right can be.
This stern decree, you'll understand,
Caused great dismay throughout the land,
For young and old and shy and bold
Were equally affected.
The youth who cast a roving eye
Or breathed a non-connubial sigh,
Was thereupon condemned to die.
He usually objected, objected, objected,
He usually objected.
And you'll allow, as I expect,
That he was right to so object.
And I am right and you are right
And everything is quite correct.
And so we straight let out on bail
A convict from the county jail,
Whose head was next, on some pretext,
Condemned to be mown off,
And made him headsman, for we said,
"Who's next to be decapitated cannot cut off another's head
Until he's cut his own off, his own off, his own off,
Until he's cut his own off."
And we are right, I think you'll say
To argue in this kind of way.
And I am right and you are right
And all is right! Too-loo-ra-lay!
And we are right, I think you'll say
To argue in this kind of way.
And I am right and you are right
And all is right! Too-loo-ra-lay!
And we are right, I think you'll say
To argue in this kind of way.
And I am right and you are right
And all is right! Too-loo-ra-lay!
Ezekiel Krahlin
homeless denizen. Also, you must subtract a three-year hiatus in Santa
Cruz County, from 1980 to 1983. I presently live in The Castro, a.k.a.
Eureka Valley, and haved live here, since 1983.
On Tue, 08 Sep 1998 17:46:44 GMT, wste...@hi.net (Ward Stewart)
wrote:
>He lives, he has told us, in San Francisco where his mental illness
>has forced him to conjure up enemies out of his own paranoia, self
>importance and general idiocy.
As if the S.F. Examiner has never published a full-page anti-gay ad.
As if our public transit, MUNI, did not have a horrible reputation of
gay bashing by its employees, and support of gay bashers on these bus
lines.
As if more youth than ever before, in the San Francisco Bay Area,
doesn't think it's okay to bash gays.
As if the violent attacks upon gays in the past six years have not
grown more numerous, and more hideous in their nature.
As if the federal government isn't trying to punish our city for
enforcing same-sex partner insurance in the workplace.
Sadly, you choose to use hateful bigotry against me, by slamming me
with prejudiced stereotypes about my mental illness. My particular
disyfunction does not interfere with my ability to observe my
surroundings, read the news, and come up with my own conclusions. Some
of our finest authors and artists have been burdened with some sort of
mental anomaly or another.
So get over it. You've gotten over seeing your gayness as perverted or
sick...please do the same for minorities of disability discrimination.
It will only make you a better person.
My mental aberrations are indeed, part and parcel of what has made me
into a gifted visionary, and one who receives instructions and
inspiration by beings I call angels. I do not hear voices...but I
receive ideas and communication usually in the form of beautiful
images, and sometimes thoughts. I believe that I am finally
stabilizing this gift, where I may be able to earn a living on my own,
within a year or two from now...rather than having these forces knock
me around to the point where I can't cope with what many people regard
as "normal", routine life affairs.
Regardless of whether or not you view my anomalies as a gift or an
illness...to scapegoat me for this, and to deride me for this, is a
shameful behavior, especially when coming from one gay brother onto
another. As if you've never learned anything from suffering society's
hatred of you for being homosexual. Instead, you choose to create some
sort of pathetic pecking order...and find other scapegoats within our
scapegoated community, to vent your lack of freedom and respect by
society at large.
Ezekiel Krahlin
wrote:
>What the hell is RSI??
Repetitive Stress Injury. Carpel Tunnel Syndrome is one kind of RSI. I
have had to drastically slow down my keyboard typing five years ago,
to avoid developing more than the beginning signs of CTS. Likewise, I
had to stop using a mouse several months ago, as I finally developed a
pinched nerve from years of gliding my elbow on a hard surface. It
took one month of non-mouse use, for the pain to go away...which pain
was bad enough to give me a week of sleepless nights. I now use a
touch tablet, which is very nice, and which I like better than a
mouse.
I stopped typing people's documents as a vocation, because of
low-grade CTS. I only type for myself: creative writing, and Usenet
articles...nowhere near as fast as I used to.
I am looking towards getting some good voice recognition software.
Ezekiel Krahlin
Salvio) wrote:
>> What the hell is RSI??
Really Sexy Individual.
I'm half Italian and half Scot...which means I'm sexy, but stingy with
it. So true!
Ezekiel Krahlin
<big...@provide.net> wrote:
>>Or some mushrooms.
>>
>>Scruffy
>>
>
>Hehehe, personally, I prefer the Peyote...
You know, I've never bothered with magic mushrooms and similar
substances. Just marijuana...which I stopped smoking over ten years
ago. I am considering partaking of such organic mind alterers, once I
find a receptive guide. Considering the way my mind works, I think I
may gain some advantages with mild experimentation and use.
Ezekiel Krahlin
wrote:
It's roughly $15-$20/month here in the S.F. area. I paid $100 for 6
months use of a small box, plus $15 key deposit. I couldn't just go to
a post office and get a mailbox, which would have been cheaper...but
there's a waiting list of about four months.
Ezekiel Krahlin
wrote:
>I am a psychiatric nurse and spent years and years working with the
>mentally ill -- I do NOT and have NOT condemned then in a "foul,
>stereotypical manner," or in any other manner.
Being a nurse or doctor in that field, does not necessarily make you a
competent or qualified healer.
>THEN., we have a special group of folks who are "disabled" and are
>relieving public money and decline to accept treatment for their
>illness.
I am not part of that group...though you previously implied that I
was. However, may I remind you that we live in a democracy, and every
person has a right to decide which kind of treatment to accept, and
which kind to refuse. You, Wart, seem rather draconic in this
matter...as well as extraordinarily blind to the psychic aspects of
the so-called schizophrenic. Haven't you studied any of Carl Jung's
writings?
>The SSI runs on out of all our pockets and they are in line
>for that but not for treatment.
One would consider that a society that abuses and bullies the meek,
would be feared by same, and not be trusted for anything necessary to
life and limb. You would blame a rotten situation created by social
ignorance, on the very people who suffer most from the slings and
arrows of stigmatism.
>If I had my way in the matter, their
>SSI would be cut the hell off and that money spent on those who are
>honestly struggling with their disabilities.
And a "Heil Hitler" to you, Wart!
Ezekiel Krahlin
van Piebles) wrote:
>>Too bad you interpret me in this fashion. But, as I said earlier, it
>>takes some intelligence to understand my policies.
>>
>
>Or some mushrooms.
There is more truth to this, than meets the eye. I seem to have part
of my being projected into that realm of other dimensionness, just by
my own fate... which most people cannot perceive without assistance of
some mind-altering substance. This is why I feel so at home in the new
realm of cyberspace.
Ezekiel Krahlin
<je...@nospam.genesyslab.com> wrote:
>You're so insulting. No one is ever capable of understanding your
>oh-so-enlightened motives for more than five minutes at a time, are they?
Being quicker-witted will certainly take you further.
Ezekiel Krahlin
wrote:
>If I had my way in the matter, their SSI would be cut the hell off
>and that money spent on those who are honestly struggling with
>their disabilities.
What treatment opitons are there for the poor, who also have
psychological disturbances? None. Often, they wind up homeless. Such a
caring, compassionate society, eh? Were I not a "borderline" variety,
I would likely have wound up homeless myself. In fact, I did for two
years! But fortunately, in my case, I possessed the wits to fight for
my right to live a decent life. What about all those who can't fight
for themselves, Wart?
These people who cannot defend themselves, number a large proportion
of homeless and otherwise condemned. This is what has come of
attitudes like yours, that are now integrated into the larger
society...the larger, bigoted, and hostile society.
The type of treatments that can really help, are not provided by the
measly MediCal and MediCare provisions. Nor have they ever, even in
our most affluent and liberal years! It was somewhat better than
now...but still, genuine help, healing, and compassion were
nonetheless rare and stingily-given commodities.
For me, the best therapy has always been talk therapy...not
medication. But what can I do when the funds for therapy are so cut
back, that I've been reduced from seeing a doctor once a week, to once
every other week...to now, where I can only visit a therapist once a
month for 45 minutes!
In fact, the best psychological treatment for a majority of the
troubled, who also are usually low-income and poverty stricken...is
Jungian therapy, one of the most compassionate and effective methods
to ever exist. But as things have turned out, this kind of treatment
is only available to the affluent, and those with quality insurance.
But little Nurse Ratchet Ward, would kick 'em all offa their measly
stipend...just because they refuse to swallow the pills he wants to
force down their throats. I have news for you, Wart: these are human
beings, no less than you are. In fact, more so!
Ezekiel Krahlin
(RavensHeart) wrote:
>I'm disabled,
>No, wait. I wrote that just to get a response.
>No, wait. I'm disabled.
>No, wait. I am an archangel speaking through zeke
Taking my quotes out of context, only shows your inability to engage
in effective debate. But I'd rather you have fun at my expense...as I
am too strong willed to be damaged by your attacks...that at the
expense of another who may be too psychically sensitive to handle it.
So I gladly distract you from possible committing deeds that would
result in evil consequences.
Ezekiel Krahlin
<je...@nospam.genesyslab.com> wrote:
>> about the poor and disabled. And if you challenge the accuracy of my
>> quotes in this matter, you can just search for them in Deja News, to
>> compare.
>
>OK. I'm awaiting your post.
I don't think I need to at this point; Wart is already doing a fine
job in *this thread, of proving my claim.
>No, not at all. I really would like you to post the material you're talking
>about. I guess what I'm doing is expressing my opinion that Ward is more
>credible than you.
Just read his latest drivel in this thread about being a nurse, and
what *he would do to certain disabled folks.
J. Northwood
<FMLe...@pacbell.net> wrote:
< snip >
>Our great Mikado, virtuous man,
. . . < snip > . . .
>And all is right! Too-loo-ra-lay!
I _ADORE_ Gilbert and Sullivan.
Thankyouthankyouthankyou.
(I thank you, Nanki-poo thanks you . . .)
James Doemer
Ezekiel Krahlin wrote in message
<35f8ccf6...@nntp.sj.bigger.net>...
:On Thu, 10 Sep 1998 16:57:06 -0400, "James Doemer"
:<big...@provide.net> wrote:
:
:>>Or some mushrooms.
:>>
:>>Scruffy
:>>
:>
:>Hehehe, personally, I prefer the Peyote...
:
:You know, I've never bothered with magic mushrooms and similar
:substances. Just marijuana...which I stopped smoking over ten years
:ago. I am considering partaking of such organic mind alterers, once I
:find a receptive guide. Considering the way my mind works, I think I
:may gain some advantages with mild experimentation and use.
:
You can if you want, I did when I was younger, I found that it's really
not
worth it in the long run, so I found ways to experience highs without
chemicals, organic or otherwise. I wake up without the headaches.
The Peyote made the dessert survival training go easier though.. :c)
cub...@cjnetworks.com
ezek...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> I have live in San Francisco since 1973...the first two years as a
> homeless denizen. Also, you must subtract a three-year hiatus in Santa
> Cruz County, from 1980 to 1983. I presently live in The Castro, a.k.a.
> Eureka Valley, and haved live here, since 1983.
If I may ask, how are you able to afford to live in that area? From what I
understand, rents start for the tiniest aprtments at close to 2 grand a month
in the Castro. Or are you lucky enough to be the beneficiary of a rent
controlled unit?
[ litany of the woes of living in SF ]
Dude, I just came from a weekend in SF, back to beautiful Kansas -- and let me
give you some advice in two words: "stop bitching"
You might try getting out of the City once in a while in order to restore your
warped perspective. You don't need to travel all the way to Kansas. Just head
100 miles east
--
Mike Silverman -- cub...@cjnetworks.com
http://www.turnleft.com/personal/
RavensHeart
Krahlin) wrote:
>On Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:08:28 GMT, she...@europa.nospam.com
>(RavensHeart) wrote:
>
>>I'm disabled,
>>No, wait. I wrote that just to get a response.
>>No, wait. I'm disabled.
>>No, wait. I am an archangel speaking through zeke
>
>Taking my quotes out of context, only shows your inability to engage
>in effective debate. But I'd rather you have fun at my expense...as I
>am too strong willed to be damaged by your attacks...that at the
>expense of another who may be too psychically sensitive to handle it.
>So I gladly distract you from possible committing deeds that would
>result in evil consequences.
>
>
Just for one:
>On 8/23/98 at 5:28am, exek...@my-dejanews.com(Ezekiel Krahlin) wrote:
> I am also an angelic spirit who speaks through Zeke,
>from time to time...or in this case, types through his fingers, as I
>am doing this very moment. This is how schizophrenia can be
>transformed into the psyche's most powerful tool. We *insist that he
>glorify himself from time to time, as the path we have chosen for him
>is often very rough...meaning among other things, with little if any
>pats on the back from his fellow humans. He does, however, get plenty
>of pats from us, his guardian spirits. In fact, we have decided to
>step in on this shameful harangue you and others in this thread, are
>persisting in doing against one really decent man.
>What would you know of his supposed mental illness...to judge that our
>Zeke does not qualify for an occassional merit badge or two...or a
>gold star or bronze star, or even the Purple Heart of Pegasus?
>You have absolutely no power over him, a
>loyal servant of the White Sister/Brotherhood (the angels). Your
>insistance that Zeke deserves no recognition or reward, bespeaks one
>who dabbles in the black arts...using one's tongue to condemn through
>reptitious chants of denigration. Coming from the level from which you
>speak, we hardly could say you are qualified to make any value
>judgment about our good buddy. In fact, you rate lower than an
>earthworm, and barely qualify to judge a cockroach! Do you have any
>Cajun Voodoo in your blood?
>He has *our help. We are his archetypal archangels, better than
>thorazine, stellazine, hellazine, mellowzine, getwellazine, or even
>the sanctified prozac...or anything else man's dark sciences can
>conjure up.
>>My Aunt, also a schizophrenic, experiences the same symptoms as you.
>That is untrue. There may be overlapping similarities, but untrue. She
>is much more deeper into her journey than Zeke, for she has a
>different path than him.
>>She thinks she is called by God for a special purpose, and that she
>>can see and talk to angels. Now that she is on medication, the angels
>>are gone. You need medication.
>We angels laugh at your instructions. Your poor aunt has been
>chemically lobotomized. Zeke's higher purpose is genuine...but he does
>not hear voices. He has insights and dreams, through which we convey
>our wishes and instructions. Zeke is quite capable of turning off our
>thoughts whenever he so wishes...and indeed he does, when he needs to
>rest.
>Would you have suggested Edgar Cayce to take medications to stop his
>gift of healing? Had he done so, he'd sleep normally, and never suffer
>the strange maladies he did, as an exchange for his great gift. All
>true psychics are blessed with a deep flaw, which keeps them grounded
>enough to do their calling with effective results.
>Many people have done much good works, while believing they are
>communicating with angels. Besides Cayce, we suggest you consider
>William Blake.
>Back to your poor Aunt: she is without any real support for her gift,
>and thus is not well grounded. In that circumstance, we recommend she
>"forget" her angels, until such time decent souls discover her as a
>friend. Then, being so grounded with them, she can reduce the
>medication and eventually eliminate it...as she learns how to use
>these angels for meaningful direction. But until then, she has been
>taught to fear their voices, and must do everything possible to get
>rid of them. This is barbaric mind control, not love. She has shamanac
>talents that should be nurtured, not suffocated.
>>>I suggest you read for yourself, The Book of Job, in the Old
>>>Testament. It stands alone among all the other books, in its radical
>>>departure from the conventional preachings espoused in all the other
>>>books.
>>
>>Another similarity to Fred Cherry- he also focuses his attentions on
>>just one book of the Bible.
>The similarity you make, dear Placenta, is another of your vulgar
>miscarriages of implication that Ezekiel is crazy. The Book of Job is
>an outstanding work, for it essentially challanges everything else in
>the Old Testament. While there are many other good books you could
>read, that would teach you the same lesson...the Book of Job is an
>incredibly existential work of intellectual brilliance that reaches
>into man's very heart of hearts, to ask the scariest question of all:
>why does God seem to punish the righteous?
>You would do well to study the Book of Job, as in there you will come
>to understand Zeke's particular path we have set him on...as one who
>has, like Job, experienced massive boils over his entire face for
>seven years. The experience of being both handsome and very ugly, has
>given our beloved friend, a deeper insight into the human soul, than
>you could ever hope to know in this life...and, as it seems by your
>present behavior, for many more lives to come. Perhaps we should have
>made you into a cat...what with 9 lives and all, you could play cat
>and mouse for a long time before having to answer to your maker.
>Furthermore, we only see your clutching onto his statement of
>schizophrenia, as a useful weapon by which to bludgeon Zeke, and scare
>everyone in Usenet away from him. You know nothing of this state of
>mind...as schizophrenia is a very broad term to include a wide variety
>of mental anomalies. You know very well that some borderliners can be
>quite intelligent, coherent, and compassionate...in fact, far more so
>than average...as in some cases, schizophrenia can make a person extra
>sensitive with his thoughts and emotions.
>You also know very well that just because someone mentions having, or
>having had, a mental illness...does not in any way invalidate their
>ability to speak up for civil rights and other good causes. Were you
>more enlightened, you would regard Zeke as an interesting person, if
>not more than that...and say something like: "Well, you are rather
>unique. While I don't agree with all your opinions, you have a way
>with words, and a controversial manner of stimulating conversations. I
>am not here to judge you, but I do hope you are taking good care of
>yourself...and if there is anything I can do to make your life a
>little less bumpy, just say so."
>Instead, you have proven yourself time and again, to be extremely
>vindictive...as you pounce on every perceived weakness Zeke has
>mentioned...with intent desire to completely tear him apart without
>mercy. You wouldn't blink an eye should he suddenly disappear from the
>newsgroups...no concern at all, if he should have committed suicide,
>suffered a serious breakdown, or felt too hurt by your crudeness, to
>ever bother joining Usenet again. Sadly, your kind represents the
>present attitude of the surface gay community in Amerika.
>But our Angelic Order sustains him with courage and insight...so as a
>result, he is far too strong to be deterred or blown away by your foul
>stench. You are a rotting walking talking corpse. For while Zeke is
>strong enough to take what you dish out...how many others were not,
>whose lives you have devastated? We ask not for you to confess your
>sins her in Usenet, for we already know...and were it not for God's
>patience, we would have taken care of you the best way we know how.
>For one, you wouldn't be so smug in your conceit as you now are. And
>let's leave it at that, for now. Zeke needs his sleep.
Frank Martinez Lester
As some day it may happen that a victim must be found,
I've got a little list--I've got a little list
Of society offenders who might well be underground,
And who never would be missed--who never would be missed!
There's the pestilential nuisances who write for autographs--
All people who have flabby hands and irritating laughs--
All children who are up in dates, and floor you with 'em flat--
All persons who in shaking hands, shake hands with you like
that--
And all third persons who on spoiling tàte-Ö-tàtes insist--
They'd none of 'em be missed--they'd none of 'em be missed!
CHORUS. He's got 'em on the list--he's got 'em on the list;
And they'll none of 'em be missed--they'll none of
'em be missed.
There's the banjo serenader, and the others of his race,
And the piano-organist--I've got him on the list!
And the people who eat peppermint and puff it in your face,
They never would be missed--they never would be missed!
Then the idiot who praises, with enthusiastic tone,
All centuries but this, and every country but his own;
And the lady from the provinces, who dresses like a guy,
And who "doesn't think she waltzes, but would rather like to
try";
And that singular anomaly, the lady novelist--
I don't think she'd be missed--I'm sure she'd not he missed!
CHORUS. He's got her on the list--he's got her on the list;
And I don't think she'll be missed--I'm sure
she'll not be missed!
And that Nisi Prius nuisance, who just now is rather rife,
The Judicial humorist--I've got him on the list!
All funny fellows, comic men, and clowns of private life--
They'd none of 'em be missed--they'd none of 'em be missed.
And apologetic statesmen of a compromising kind,
Such as--What d'ye call him--Thing'em-bob, and
likewise--Never-mind,
And 'St--'st--'st--and What's-his-name, and also You-know-who--
The task of filling up the blanks I'd rather leave to you.
But it really doesn't matter whom you put upon the list,
For they'd none of 'em be missed--they'd none of 'em be
missed!
CHORUS. You may put 'em on the list--you may put 'em on the
list;
And they'll none of 'em be missed--they'll none of
'em be missed!
You may put 'em on the list--you may put 'em on the
list;
And they'll none of 'em be missed--they'll none of
'em be missed!
Frank Martinez Lester
You're welcome!
<frank.>
Frank Martinez Lester
sort of pathetic pecking order...and find other scapegoats within our
scapegoated community, to vent your lack of freedom and respect by
society at large.>>
The pot calleth the kettle black.
<frank.>
Jeffrey Croft
> On Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:28:59 -0700, Jeffrey Croft
> <je...@nospam.genesyslab.com> wrote:
>
> >> about the poor and disabled. And if you challenge the accuracy of my
> >> quotes in this matter, you can just search for them in Deja News, to
> >> compare.
> >
> >OK. I'm awaiting your post.
>
> I don't think I need to at this point; Wart is already doing a fine
> job in *this thread, of proving my claim.
Just as I suspected. When it comes right down to it, you're full of shit. You
make a big deal about being able to provide proof of what you're saying, you
accuse me of bluffing and then when it comes right down to it, you can't come
up with anything substantive. I'm scarcely surprised.
> >No, not at all. I really would like you to post the material you're talking
> >about. I guess what I'm doing is expressing my opinion that Ward is more
> >credible than you.
>
> Just read his latest drivel in this thread about being a nurse, and
> what *he would do to certain disabled folks.
I read what he said. Maybe I agree and maybe I don't. I still think he's about
37 times more credible than you are. You put down anyone who doesn't agree with
you. The more you do it, the less I want to hear anything your vitriolic yap
has to say.
Jeffrey Croft
> On Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:32:07 -0700, Jeffrey Croft
> <je...@nospam.genesyslab.com> wrote:
>
> >You're so insulting. No one is ever capable of understanding your
> >oh-so-enlightened motives for more than five minutes at a time, are they?
>
> Being quicker-witted will certainly take you further.
Another insult from a bitter, hateful, man, ladies and gentlemen. Is anybody
surprised? I'm not.
What a symbol for gay liberation, eh?
Frank Martinez Lester
Indeed.
<frank.>
Ward Stewart
>In article <35f8ca33...@nntp.sj.bigger.net>,
> ezek...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>> I have live in San Francisco since 1973...the first two years as a
>> homeless denizen. Also, you must subtract a three-year hiatus in Santa
>> Cruz County, from 1980 to 1983. I presently live in The Castro, a.k.a.
>> Eureka Valley, and haved live here, since 1983.
>
>If I may ask, how are you able to afford to live in that area? From what I
>understand, rents start for the tiniest aprtments at close to 2 grand a month
>in the Castro. Or are you lucky enough to be the beneficiary of a rent
>controlled unit?
>
>[ litany of the woes of living in SF ]
>
>Dude, I just came from a weekend in SF, back to beautiful Kansas -- and let me
>give you some advice in two words: "stop bitching"
>
>You might try getting out of the City once in a while in order to restore your
>warped perspective. You don't need to travel all the way to Kansas. Just head
>100 miles east
No need to go that far -- all he has to do is step into the bathroom,
open the medicine chest and start taking his medications.
ward
***********************************************************
"I am constantly mystified by this notion of "disagreeing"
with homosexuality -- not unlike disagreeing with Tuesday --
like it or not, every seven days, there it is -- TUESDAY.
uncle ward
***********************************************************
James Doemer
Ezekiel Krahlin wrote in message <35f8d236...@nntp.sj.bigger.net>...
>On Thu, 10 Sep 1998 08:29:37 GMT, wste...@hi.net (Ward Stewart)
>wrote:
>
>>If I had my way in the matter, their SSI would be cut the hell off
>>and that money spent on those who are honestly struggling with
>>their disabilities.
>
>What treatment opitons are there for the poor, who also have
>psychological disturbances? None. Often, they wind up homeless. Such a
>caring, compassionate society, eh? Were I not a "borderline" variety,
>I would likely have wound up homeless myself. In fact, I did for two
>years! But fortunately, in my case, I possessed the wits to fight for
>my right to live a decent life. What about all those who can't fight
>for themselves, Wart?
Well, I don't know where you live, but in Detroit, Medicaid picks up the
Mental Health tab for over 3,000,000 people each year. The only
homeless (mental health patients) we have are the ones that choose
not to live in one of the over 2,000 hospitals, group homes, shelters,
light homes, etc located all around the county. In addition, the
State of Michigan CMH regs require that each reporting jurisdiction
maintain an Office of Recipient Rights that has a staff of Lawyers
specializing in the area of Mental Health available to any recipient of
Mental Care, both Medicaid patients and privately funded, free of charge.
>
>These people who cannot defend themselves, number a large proportion
>of homeless and otherwise condemned. This is what has come of
>attitudes like yours, that are now integrated into the larger
>society...the larger, bigoted, and hostile society.
>
>The type of treatments that can really help, are not provided by the
>measly MediCal and MediCare provisions. Nor have they ever, even in
>our most affluent and liberal years! It was somewhat better than
>now...but still, genuine help, healing, and compassion were
>nonetheless rare and stingily-given commodities.
>
>For me, the best therapy has always been talk therapy...not
>medication. But what can I do when the funds for therapy are so cut
>back, that I've been reduced from seeing a doctor once a week, to once
>every other week...to now, where I can only visit a therapist once a
>month for 45 minutes!
Hmmm..... We have numerous patients that are paid through medicaid
for visits every week... The doctor is the only one that can decide when,
where and how often a patient should be seen. If the visits are cut back,
it is the doctor's decision. At least here in Michigan. The offices of
Recipient Rights has gone to the carpet on numerous occasions, and has
filed suit on at least three occasions, over budget cuts.
>
>In fact, the best psychological treatment for a majority of the
>troubled, who also are usually low-income and poverty stricken...is
>Jungian therapy, one of the most compassionate and effective methods
>to ever exist. But as things have turned out, this kind of treatment
>is only available to the affluent, and those with quality insurance.
>
>But little Nurse Ratchet Ward, would kick 'em all offa their measly
>stipend...
If they were not seeking treatment.. Or if they are capable of
functioning
well enough to hold a job, but choose not to, then yes, they should be cut
off. Why do you feel the rest of society has the obligation to support
people
who can work?
>just because they refuse to swallow the pills he wants to
>force down their throats. I have news for you, Wart: these are human
>beings, no less than you are. In fact, more so!
That is a choice you make, why is everyone else responsible for your
choices?
Of course they are human beings, I have known many mentally disabled people
through my association with our local Recipient Rights office. I have far
more
respect for someone that wants to work, but can't, than I have for someone
who
can work, but won't. I have seen numerous people on both sides of that
aisle.
Ezekiel Krahlin
wrote:
>If I had my way in the matter, their SSI would be cut the hell off
>and that money spent on those who are honestly struggling with
>their disabilities.
So, Wart, tell me: how many of these "deadbeats" have you actually
encountered? Just give me a ballpark figure, or a percentage...
compared to all the "deserving" patients you've met. In your long and
honored nursing career, I'm sure you can back up your claims.
Ezekiel Krahlin
(RavensHeart) wrote:
>Just for one:
>
>>On 8/23/98 at 5:28am, exek...@my-dejanews.com(Ezekiel Krahlin) wrote:
>
>> I am also an angelic spirit who speaks through Zeke,
>>from time to time...or in this case, types through his fingers, as I
>>am doing this very moment. This is how schizophrenia can be
>>transformed into the psyche's most powerful tool.
Mush better, RavensFart. I prefer you quote me in the context of my
essays, rather than break them up for purpose of deception. You are
free to re-post my angelic discourses to any and all newsgroups, and
anywhere else that pleases you.
Some day, I will return the favor. I owe you one (at least).
CLARION
=======
copyright 1998 by Ezekiel J. Krahlin
(Jehovah's Queer Witness)
I n fields of gossamer dandelions
L icking the soless of our feet,
O ur hearts run fleeting over
V ast meadows of dreams.
E nter the golden light
Y earning to blare
O ut from holy trumpets
U nder angels' wings.
Ezekiel Krahlin
<je...@nospam.genesyslab.com> wrote:
>Just as I suspected. When it comes right down to it, you're full of shit. You
>make a big deal about being able to provide proof of what you're saying, you
>accuse me of bluffing and then when it comes right down to it, you can't come
>up with anything substantive. I'm scarcely surprised.
Aren't you so smugly self-satisfied! You demand immediate
proof...though I must pore through over 3,000,000 bytes of articles,
to dig out the evidence. I do not jump at your commands...in fact, I
take my own sweet time about whatever I please.
>> Just read his latest drivel in this thread about being a nurse, and
>> what *he would do to certain disabled folks.
>
>I read what he said. Maybe I agree and maybe I don't.
Then again, maybe not.
>You put down anyone who doesn't agree with you.
Nonsense. You just choose to ignore those articles in which I may
disagree without putting someone down. It depends on the motive for
the other person's statements to which I disagree.
>The more you do it, the less I want to hear anything your vitriolic yap
>has to say.
See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil.
Ezekiel Krahlin
<FMLe...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>As some day it may happen that a victim must be found,
> I've got a little list--I've got a little list
This is all well and good...but I hardly think Jews who kept lists on
their perscutors, which led to the Nuremburg Trials...are at all wrong
in so doing. There are lists, and then there are lists. Some have
great validity...even life-saving value...even liberating.
Ezekiel Krahlin
wrote:
>No need to go that far -- all he has to do is step into the bathroom,
>open the medicine chest and start taking his medications.
What makes you think I even have a bathroom? I don't...nor a kitchen,
nor a toilet. I don't even live in a studio...just a humble room.
I do not ask for much, in exchange for being able to serve a cause I
believe nobler and worther than any other: gay rights. But I have long
since learned to be a damned good cook with just a hot plate or mini
microwave oven. I do have a half-sized refrigerator. For me, that's
living the good life. I will soon put up photos of my simple domain,
so everyone who's curious, can enjoy a virtual visit.
Ezekiel Krahlin
<je...@genesyslab.com> wrote:
>> I have never accused you of being harmful to the gay community, Wart.
>> It is *you who accused me of this. However, you do possess some
>> narrow, elitist view that *are harmful to gay progress. For one, you
>> instantly condemn anyone who says he has a mental disability...in such
>> a foul, stereotypical manner comparable to a homophobe's condemnation
>> of gays.
>
>You're lying. You just made all that up.
Okay, I have consolidate all the messages make slurs about my mental
disability. Shameful, to say the least, coming from gays against
another gay person. If you doubt my references, you can veryify them
yourself, by searching for them on Deja News. The ignorance and
hatefulness they display is astounding.
Such prejudiced notions as Wart seems to have about the mentally
disabled, I find rather alarming, considering his career as a nurse.
He's more of a Nurse Ratchet, than Nurse Nightingale. Here are his
ignorant slurs about my disability, in the thread "Of the political
will to be and remain gay", newsgroup alt.politics.homosexuality:
=========
From: wste...@hi.net (Ward Stewart)
Subject: Re: Of the political will to be and remain gay
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 01:22:48 GMT
Stiffen your unwillingness --- Zeke is a certified banana and a loose
cannon --
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From: wste...@hi.net (Ward Stewart)
Subject: Re: Of the political will to be and remain gay
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 19:04:53 GMT
What makes you suppose that he can "see" anything? Our Zeke is some
sort of basket case
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From: wste...@hi.net (Ward Stewart)
Subject: Re: Of the political will to be and remain gay
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 00:36:23 GMT
It must be noted that you do feel a need for the monthly check that
keeps you reenforced in your delusions. Money provided by the wicked
taxpayers of AmeriKa so that you may obtain treatment for your
problems -- you spurn the treatment but take the check....
When pigs fly! -- his delusion is that he does not need to "work on
his paranoia."
=========
From: wste...@hi.net (Ward Stewart)
Subject: Re: Of the political will to be and remain gay
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 19:49:02 GMT
It is, of course, a civil rights issue, a human rights issue -- my
exasperation with nutso Zeke is that by representing himself, in all
his paranoia and lameness,
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From: wste...@hi.net (Ward Stewart)
Subject: Re: Of the political will to be and remain gay
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 02:01:26 GMT
hint -- it's not in the CrackerJack box but in the medicine chest
under the Thorazine tablets.
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From: wste...@hi.net (Ward Stewart)
Subject: Re: Of the political will to be and remain gay
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 00:28:48 GMT
If nearly psychotic notions running around in an empty attic are an
"ideal," his notions may qualify -- until then they are an absurdity.
=========
From: wste...@hi.net (Ward Stewart)
Subject: Re: Of the political will to be and remain gay
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 19:05:01 GMT
They may or may not be gay -- however it is clear that they are not
..nor, for the most part, are they paranoiac nut-cases.
=========
From: wste...@hi.net (Ward Stewart)
Subject: Re: Of the political will to be and remain gay
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 00:36:18 GMT
>Zeke should be more careful about what he posts; if the government ever
>finds out he's not *really* mentally ill, but is rather a "visionary",
>he's gonna find himself in a whole heap o' trouble.
Were it up to me, the thought disordered folks who decline to have
their disability treated would be off the rolls in a New York Minute.
"I am disabled because I lost a leg! -- I refuse to wear a prosthesis,
I cannot hop to work, and therefore am entitled to benefits." NOT!
=========================================================
=========================================================
Okay, done with Wart for the moment. Now, here are other participants'
vulgar comments about my disability...all from the same thread as
Wart's articles, except the last:
=========
From: con...@neosoft.com (Conrad Sabatier)
Subject: Re: Of the political will to be and remain gay
Date: 23 Aug 1998 10:28:18 GMT
Zeke should be more careful about what he posts; if the government
ever finds out he's not *really* mentally ill, but is rather a
"visionary", he's gonna find himself in a whole heap o' trouble.
=========
From: ital...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Of the political will to be and remain gay
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 22:58:43 GMT
Go get your meds adjusted, Zekey-poo. You're give gay people a bad
name by demonstrating your ineptitude in public.
=========
From: gd...@olaksncbuegfhs.com (aSh [ r-l)
Subject: Re: Of the political will to be and remain gay
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 13:13:49 GMT
Well Zeke, you deserve that government check. You are obviously
completely deluded in your thinking and suffering severe psychosis.
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From: gd...@olaksncbuegfhs.com (aSh [ r-l)
Subject: Re: Of the political will to be and remain gay
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 13:13:52 GMT
And as we all know Zeke's disability is homosexuality and he receives
a government check for it. Lazy bastard, get a job.
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From: gd...@olaksncbuegfhs.com (aSh [ r-l)
Subject: Re: Of the political will to be and remain gay
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 13:13:53 GMT
Says everyone, psycho....
In your case, they can also be paranoid schizoids.
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From: gd...@olaksncbuegfhs.com (aSh [ r-l)
Subject: Re: Of the political will to be and remain gay
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 13:13:54 GMT
Then stop slopping at the taxpayer trough and go get a job, lazy
bum....
Except that you are merely collecting a check because you are too lazy
to work.
Zeke, you are a damn bum. You are paranoid, but you could easily get a
job. You are just another example of the scum who uses government
programs because they're too damn lazy to work.
=========
From: Michael Thomas <mi...@mtcc.com>
Subject: Re: Of the political will to be and remain gay
Date: 15 Aug 1998 11:27:56 -0700
I see. A welfare queen....
ie, you're a blood sucking leach that the rest of us have to carry
around by working overtime....
Right. We work in the way that reality perceives it, so that you can
suck off that fat government teat and then whine about how wronged you
are when anybody who works 12 hour days finds your contributions, such
as they are, lacking.
If you don't want the judgment, stop slopping at our trough.
=========
From: criminal <wo...@chaos.firewind.net>
Subject: Re: Of the political will to be and remain gay
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 05:29:49 -0500
They need to get a fucking job. I have no pity for the perfectly abled
that refuses to go to a business and get an application. It has been
proven that someone on a 20k salary can make themselves a millionaire
by the time they retire, with nothing but that 20k to support them.
There is no excuse for being poor, unless you are disabled. Once
again, I have no pity for lazy fucks....
There are no victims of social ills. You make yourself a victim by
choosing to BE a victim....
Number one cause of poverty: Laziness....
The poor can only blame themselves.
=========
From: criminal <wo...@chaos.firewind.net>
Subject: Re: Of the political will to be and remain gay
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 05:16:16 -0500
A-Fucking-Men to that!!! This is one of the biggest points about Zeke
that pisses me off. he sits there all day, whining about
heterocentrism and its "power" whatever the fuck that means, and tries
to tell me that I am a right wing conservative and I am bending to the
heterosectrist way, meanwhile, I'm trying to pay the bills and put
food in my belly, and my taxes are doing just that for HIM!!! The
gall...
=========
From: lo...@my.sig4address (Magenta)
Subject: Re: Of the political will to be and remain gay
Date: 16 Aug 1998 04:14:21 GMT
This idiot who spends his life bitching and moaning about how awful
this country is and calling it "Amerika" is living off welfare!?! What
a fucking jackass....
You milk us of all our hard-earned money. The LEAST you could do is be
thankful to this country that you get it....
most of us are not totally dependant, and bitch and moan about the
country that feeds you for doing nothing but bitching and moaning....
This gives us a lot of insight about your whole mindset- you are an
entirely dependant individual. You do not think or act on your own,
you do not stand up for yourself, so you just sit and bitch and moan,
and curl up into a little ball hoping for some rainbow paradise
because you just can't face the real world....
I consider you a selfish bitch who is living off the government while
bitching about how awful the government is.
=========
From: criminal <wo...@chaos.firewind.net>
Subject: Re: Of the political will to be and remain gay
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 05:43:41 -0500
Oooh, it goes against your conscience to participate in it, but you
have no qualms when you go out to your mailbox every month and pick
that welfare check out of it and cart your tired ass over to the bank,
eh? Fuck you....
His 'own' ethics:
"Let all these people pay for my food! yay! I can go jerk of and think
about hot young men!"
Fuck you....
It is the working (wo)man that deserves these rights... not a
mooch....
Um... I work to eat and cloth and house myself... unlike you, moocher.
=========
From: she...@europa.nospam.com (RavensHeart)
Subject: Re: Of the political will to be and remain gay
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:14:24 GMT
You are a slacker. Period. You are paid from the public till by a
government you don't like. You are a leach....
You are a psychotic.
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From: she...@europa.nospam.com (RavensHeart)
Subject: Re: Of the political will to be and remain gay
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:03:20 GMT
What a load of bullshit. You are taking the food out of the mouths of
those who legitimately need state assistance....
While you pick from the groaning board of public welfare....
You are a lazy slacker. "violate my own nature" my ass...you are a
con...pure and simple....nothing special...just a con.
=========
From: she...@europa.nospam.com (RavensHeart)
Subject: Re: Of the political will to be and remain gay
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 06:14:29 GMT
Idiot. It is because it is so draconic that they haven't cut you
loose for being such a scam artist....
What you are, is a loon....
Again....you're a loon.
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From: she...@europa.nospam.com (RavensHeart)
Subject: Re: Of the political will to be and remain gay
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 14:17:16 GMT
Now that you have resolved your schizo delusionary world, try working
on your paranoia next
=========
Author: J. Northwood
Email: jmno...@gte.uce_is_icky.net
Date: 1998/08/15
Forums: alt.politics.homosexuality
In thread "Re: Article in this weeks NEWSWEEK" J. Northwood said:
. . . now give me my government money so I can slink back into my
rent-controlled apartment
=========================================================
Ezekiel Krahlin
>If I may ask, how are you able to afford to live in that area? From what I
>understand, rents start for the tiniest aprtments at close to 2 grand a month
>in the Castro. Or are you lucky enough to be the beneficiary of a rent
>controlled unit?
Yes, rent control. Otherwise I'd be out on the streets. I live in an
apartment building that has a few single rooms on each floor...no
kitchen, bathroom down the hallway. However, I have more than paid
through the nose for this room, despite our weak form of rent
control...surviving through eight years of a reign of terror caused by
hard drug addicts and dealers overrunning the place. Indeed, the
entire Castro was overrun! I was attacked several times, and even went
to court to expel some of the dangerous ones.
>[ litany of the woes of living in SF ]
The woes I relate are towards Amerika in general. San Francisco is a
lot more violent than it has ever been...like many urban areas.
>Dude, I just came from a weekend in SF, back to beautiful Kansas -- and let me
>give you some advice in two words: "stop bitching"
Ummm...I also lived through thousands of tragic people dying around
me, without a single break. This includes four lovers and several
friends. Furthermore, I am not bitching...I am speaking out against
oppression of gays.
>You might try getting out of the City once in a while in order to restore your
>warped perspective. You don't need to travel all the way to Kansas. Just head
>100 miles east
That does not change the diabolical homophobia that also infests the
San Francisco Bay Area.
J. Northwood
Krahlin) wrote:
< snip >
>Okay, done with Wart for the moment. Now, here are other participants'
>vulgar comments about my disability...all from the same thread as
>Wart's articles, except the last:
< snip >
And you whine about people taking _you_ out of context?
Sheesh!
Frank Martinez Lester
disagree without putting someone down. >>
And there are sooooooooooo many of those.
<frank.>
Frank Martinez Lester
disability. Shameful, to say the least, coming from gays against
another gay person. If you doubt my references, you can veryify them
yourself, by searching for them on Deja News. The ignorance and
hatefulness they display is astounding.>>
From my reading, these were messages making slurs about EK's subsistence on
GA & boasting about it & thumbing his nose at those who pay into it, not
about his being disabled.
Still perhaps ignorant & shameful, but not in the way that EK claims they
are.
<frank.>
JayTeeFL
writes:
>No need to go that far -- all he has to do is step into the bathroom,
>open the medicine chest and start taking his medications.
clozaril is indeed a wonder drug.
prince jace <---- knows his psychopharmacology
http://members.aol.com/jayteefl/
"we're one, but we're not the same...we get to carry each other..."
cub...@cjnetworks.com
ezek...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> That does not change the diabolical homophobia that also infests the
> San Francisco Bay Area.
Having been to many areas of the United States, I can say with confidence that
the level of homophobia is SF, specially political homophobia, is lower than
anywhere else in the United States.
robbie_c
>
>And remember, Glub spelled backwards is...
>
blug
What's your point?
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From childhood's hour I have not been
As others were---I have not seen
As others saw---I could not bring
My passions from a common spring.
------Edgar Allan Poe "Alone"
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