Of the political will to be and remain gay
Kin...@iname.com
heterosexuality.
The hetro regime has frequently resorted and still resorts in
most places to intimidation and violence to reach that goal.
It could however and as well resort to cunning. And it will if
it senses among us any weakness of character or lack of
ideological motivation or political will to remain gays.
Our current adhesion to homosexuality may depend upon a
variety of factors of a personal nature and I am sure among
the most honourable.But ultimately and at times of
hardships,that adhesion will depend solely upon our political
will,and not upon some mythical gay gene.
The current breederlover and assimilationist gay leadership
cannot be described as precisely anxious or especially eager
to cultivate such a political will.
It has up untill now busied itself mostly with soothing us
with empty philosophical notions of gayness without much
social or political effectivity or consequences,and without
much reference to our original progressive tradition either.
It has filled our ranks and staffed our groups with
theoretical gays,some of whom are closer to the hetro breeder
variety.Within the so-called queer coalition,it has diluted
our cause with mariage issues and family concerns totally
foreign to us.It has thus imposed us in an indirect manner the
very same hetro cultural agenda which hets were not able to
impose us directly and in the first place.
It has and will have no explanation to give to the effective
adhesion and conversion of some gay weaklings to
heterosexuality,with whom it has accomodated and will continue
to accomodate itself anyway.
It matters little by whom conversion to heterosexuality is
suggested to us,since individuals are not instigators in such
a matter: they are only instruments.
We are thus suggested,by various sides and in various ways all
converging towards the same hetro goal of world domination,to
end up in bed with individuals of the opposite sex.How are we
to answer such a proposition ? By considering ourselves in
turn as tools and instruments of a timeless cause which shall
never die and which is higher and greater than any of our
insignificant little selves,same-sex love.We must put that
cause above the contingencies of our times and above
morality,and serve it with zeal and wits if possible,and with
callousness if necessary.
Kingsix
Bart
all. Those issues are important to a lot of queer folk.
Kin...@iname.com wrote in message <35bae9a1...@nntp.sj.bigger.net>...
Speedbyrd
wrote:
>Actually, issues of family and marriage are not totally foreign to me at
>all. Those issues are important to a lot of queer folk.
>
>
"Queer folk" ?????
Bart Luirink
Sexual orientation is an inclination not an 'ideology' per se. It is not
exactly like adhering to say Islamic faith.
There are many other problems that we as a people have to consider. I
personally hate 'politics of exclusion'. If we exclude heterosexuals as
inherently against 'us' then feminists might as well exclude 'men' as
inherently 'patriarchs and rapists' and blacks might exclude whites from any
political cause that they may espouse for being 'inherently racist'.
A queer who respects people for who they are.
Ayaz Ahmed
Mike Silverman
equal-opportunity affliction, affecting gay and heterosexual alike.
--
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http://www.turnleft.com/personal
Bart
Speedbyrd wrote in message <35bd5c5c...@news.slip.net>...
Kin...@iname.com
Luirink) wrote:
>I am amused at your choice of words like "adhesion to homosexuality" etc.
>Sexual orientation is an inclination not an 'ideology' per se. It is not
>exactly like adhering to say Islamic faith.
>Ayaz Ahmed
Salam aleikum Ayaz !
To me,adhering to same-sex love along with duties is very
similar to adhering to Islamic faith, and the matter is as far
as I am concerned highly political. We gays should scrap any
notion of individual salvation and have our own state and in
that state our own secular religion.
Mike Silverman
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"secular religion" -- is that like jumbo shrimp?
Ezekiel Krahlin
Silverman) wrote:
>Good to see this guy coming along, proving stupidity is an
>equal-opportunity affliction, affecting gay and heterosexual alike.
So much for your gay pride.
There's nothing stupid in Kingsix's desire to instill self-worth into
our gay community, on a global level. Just because his declarations
are a bit complex and philosophical, does not make him stupid. Just
because you don't take the time to grasp the ethics and social
revolution implicit in his paragraphs, does not make the author
stupid. Just because you think you are the last word on gay rights
does not make Kingsix stupid. Just because you can't give an
intelligent explanation to your disagreement, does not make him
stupid.
Just because you can utter a few syllables across the keyboard, does
not make you intelligent.
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Ezekiel Krahlin
wrote:
>Actually, issues of family and marriage are not totally foreign to me at
>all. Those issues are important to a lot of queer folk.
No surprise there. But what do concepts like family and marriage have
to do with the heterocentric dogma Kingsix is encouraging more gays to
resist? In fact, you are an example of the sort of brainwashing so
many gays have, about basic social concepts. Because you are
hetero-centered in your world view, you assume concepts like family
and marriage are foremost the domain of heterosexuals...and gay
marriage/family is a mere appendage, or at best, an imitation of the
"real thing". Kingsix never suggested rejecting family and
marriage...except for their hetero manifestations. Does he have to
spell everything out for you?
The nuclear families as we know them, are also breeder reactors for
gay hatred, among other nasty ideological offspring...much of which is
instilled into the minds of their progeny, for the questionable
benefit of future generations. We can do better than that. We're gay
people, we know better.
How could any gay man or woman who is reasonably aware of social
issues, disagree with Kingsix's following statement:
>>The hetro regime has frequently resorted and still resorts in
>>most places to intimidation and violence to reach that goal.
Gays should know this better than anyone else. And if you don't, you
are living in a fool's paradise.
>>It could however and as well resort to cunning. And it will if
>>it senses among us any weakness of character or lack of
>>ideological motivation or political will to remain gays.
Now, this statement above is saying (in other words), that it is the
nature of the hetero regime to snuff out gay people whenever it can
move in that direction. Isn't this the present social war we are
presently suffering, thanks to the religious right, and those
liberals, such as Pres. Clinton (and much of the democratic party),
who cave in to their dogmatic pressures?
>>Our current adhesion to homosexuality may depend upon a
>>variety of factors of a personal nature and I am sure among
>>the most honourable.But ultimately and at times of
>>hardships,that adhesion will depend solely upon our political
>>will,and not upon some mythical gay gene.
In other words: no gay gene is going to save us, no matter how
honorable is such research, and other studies to prove the normalcy
and rightness of the homosexual mystique. Our struggle for equality
can only be won in the political arena. Evolving our own gay
mythology/religion/what-have-you is of course honorable, but we still
must foster a political sense of our situation, to design better and
more aggressive strategies to overcome the beast of homophobia. And
because our struggle is essentially a matter of survival, our
political will must come before other aspects of our community. If
this were merely an issue of winning a blue ribbon at the county fair,
then gay politics would need not be so all-encompassing.
>>The current breederlover and assimilationist gay leadership
>>cannot be described as precisely anxious or especially eager
>>to cultivate such a political will.
Is this really so difficult for you to understand? Gay civil rights
are threatened by the whole heterocentric snowball...which includes
not just your usual het population, but most of our gay leaders who
think assimilation is the only answer. These leaders are not "gay"
politically speaking...they are heterocentric, they are part of the
right wing.
>>It has filled our ranks and staffed our groups with
>>theoretical gays,some of whom are closer to the hetro breeder
>>variety.
Unfortunate, but all too true. I couldn't tell the difference between
your average gay Amerikan white male, and an ultraconservative right
winger, unless the former pointed out "I'm gay, don't you know". But
what sense is gay identity, when politically and socially, you are
nevertheless right wing? This is trying to fit into your enemy's
environment, by gaining acceptance for one's homosexual direction, as
long as you maintain all other conformist, racist, classist, and other
values that compose the political right.
This is what Kingsix means when he says:
>without
>much reference to our original progressive tradition either.
Our leadership has become an appendage to the right wing...believing
this will allow us to survive. Wrong...the wing is ready to flap us
off its back, into kingdom come. Assimilation won't work. What would
we be assimilating to? A patriarchal system based on exploitation of
many groups (not just gays), including women. A hard core capitalist
enterprise whose main metaphor is raping mother earth.
>It has up untill now busied itself mostly with soothing us
>with empty philosophical notions of gayness without much
Lull us into complacence, then carry us, sleeping, in wheelbarrows
down to the stock yards for extermination. The right-wing gay leaders
will survive, as their reward. Perhaps our leaders are only concerned
for their own *personal survival, which depends on straddling the
fence to appease the right wing on one side, that in turn demands they
brainwash their gay brethren on the other.
>Within the so-called queer coalition,it has diluted
>>our cause with mariage issues and family concerns totally
>>foreign to us.
Must one explain what is already so obvious, and so eloquently laid
out for us, by Kingsix? Only someone who does not know how to read and
digest one's thoughts, could conclude that Kingsix is rejecting all
forms of unions and communes. Marriage is a form of union; family is a
form of commune. Loosen up, stretch your minds! Does Kingsix need to
procede every noun referring to straights with the adjective "het",
for you to grasp his clear reasoning? Do you really like to be hit on
the head over and over again to learn something?
Unfortunately, I think a lot of you gay (mostly Amerikan) participants
lack basic reading and communication skills...and fly off the handle
over rather innocuous statements, because you can't derive their
meanings. It's like calling someone "niggardly", then being accused
of using the "N" word. (I know, this went over a lot of heads.)
>>It has thus imposed us in an indirect manner the
>>very same hetro cultural agenda which hets were not able to
>>impose us directly and in the first place.
So, in other words, we have been duped into burdening ourselves with
heterocentric concepts, and figuring out how we, as gay people, can
conform to them...like fitting the classic square peg into the round
hole. Why should we accept hetero definitions of "family" and
"marriage"? Indeed: why should we be so ready to accept hetero
definitions of who and what "gay" is?
>>It has and will have no explanation to give to the effective
>>adhesion and conversion of some gay weaklings to
>>heterosexuality,with whom it has accomodated and will continue
>>to accomodate itself anyway.
Thus, the gay community in Amerika at least, is becoming
indistinguishable from conservative heteros...and become a member of
the enemy camp whose goal is to destroy, or at least torment, all
known or suspected homosexuals. This is akin to a Jew joining the Nazi
party to save her own skin...and sadly, we do have such examples.
Assimilation is accomodation to the right wing...and thus is not
viable with any truly progressive political agenda...particularly not
for gays. Were our society humane and liberal, such as Holland's, then
assimilation would be acceptable, as gays would be stepping into a
culture that has made considerable good graces to correct their wrongs
against gays, and been especially loving, sane, and concerned for
their gay populace.
However, I believe that Kingsix is pointing out that we should still
struggle for our own secession from present societies, to form our own
sovereign state...wherein at least one place on the globe will not be
subject to the fickle decisions of heterocentric society to one day
give us some rights, and another day eradicate them. Even precious
Holland is a hetero-centered culture...and there is no guarantee that
some day, their generous laws protecting gays won't disappear. A
constant influx of refugess from Islamic cultures could eventually
form a a big enough voting block to eventually erode the liberal
tradition of that nation. (Remember: Holland was not always
liberal...she was once one of the great colonial empires, with all
that implied, including slavery and war on indigenous people.)
>>It matters little by whom conversion to heterosexuality is
>>suggested to us,since individuals are not instigators in such
>>a matter: they are only instruments.
Quite correct. Just because a Nazi might also be gay, does not make it
"all right" for gays to be brownshirts. (Though having met numerous
snotty queer home owners in the "gay mecca" of S.F., one is tempted to
believe otherwise. Talk about spitting on the poor, and people of
color...who cares if they're gay!)
>>We are thus suggested,by various sides and in various ways all
>>converging towards the same hetro goal of world domination,to
>>end up in bed with individuals of the opposite sex.
An effective way to control a population, is by controlling their
sexual urges. To deny something that is very pleasurable (and primal),
is to make people suffer, and fear punishment for challenging this
dogma. The threat of violence is the grease the runs this country's
political wheels. Such threats are only necessary in a true democracy,
for discouraging crimes of violence. Ergo, to define homosexuality a
crime, and depict it in the mainstream media as rife with violence (as
in the character Buffalo Bob in "Silence of the Lambs"...who dressed
in women's clothes made of real women's skins...and a male in drag is
seen in het society as homosexual, too)...convinces the public that
harsh punishment is a suitable price to pay for one's gayness.
>>How are we
>>to answer such a proposition ? By considering ourselves in
>>turn as tools and instruments of a timeless cause which shall
>>never die and which is higher and greater than any of our
>>insignificant little selves,same-sex love.
A greater identity as a people, much as the Jewish culture does. We
are still way too divided to fight the good fight. Were we to evolve
our own underground economy and welfare system, and even armies...then
we'd be on the right track. I think it can be done...but not here in
Amerika...the impetus must come from other places on the map, where
gays are not conditioned to Republico-Disney pap, and can think for
themselves, and define themselves as "gay" without asking heteros as
to what, precisely, this means.
We also have a new, and powerful weapon. The Internet.
>>We must put that
>>cause above the contingencies of our times and above
>>morality,and serve it with zeal and wits if possible,and with
>>callousness if necessary.
Agreed! Most of what passes for morality in Amerika, is actually
KKKristian hypocrisy...which already defines homosexuality as one of
the *worst immoralities of all. And yes, agreed, that in our struggles
toward liberation, we should try to have fun in the doing, if at all
possible, whenever possible. Which reminds me of a joke:
Q. How many heteros does it take to screw in a light bulb?
A. I don't know, they're still breeding to produce enough
brain matter to answer the challenge!
(Thank you, thank you. That's an original. No applause necessary.
Please, sit down...I'm only here to entertain the troops.)
---
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accusing concentration camp survivors of Naziphobia.
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Ezekiel Krahlin
I suggest that those pro-gay forces with appropriate computer skills
acquire whatever new viruses, trojan horses and other bugs they can,
as they come down the line...to be anonymously disseminated to all
KKKristian homophobic leaders and their followers. With a united
effort across the globe, we can smear their ugly little faces, and
seriously hobble their hateful agenda.
Don't forget: they are more than likely to do the same to us.
Forewarned is forearmed. Pass it on.
---
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Ezekiel Krahlin
Krahlin) wrote:
> A. I don't know, they're still breeding to produce enough
> brain matter to answer the challenge!
Make that:
A. I don't know, they're still breeding to get enough
brains to answer the challenge!
Rolls easier off the tongue; easier to remember. (Writing new comedy
to cheer the troops is no laughing matter!)
---
Q. How many heteros does it take to screw in a light bulb?
A. I don't know, they're still breeding to get enough brains
to answer the challenge!
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James Doemer
"If you use the same methods as your enemy, you are in danger of
becoming that which you hate most...."
Yes, it's a glaring bit of rhetoric, but think about it.
Ezekiel Krahlin wrote in message <35c0c0e0...@nntp.sj.bigger.net>...
>As an addendum to my other comments:
>
>I suggest that those pro-gay forces with appropriate computer skills
>acquire whatever new viruses, trojan horses and other bugs they can,
>as they come down the line...to be anonymously disseminated to all
>KKKristian homophobic leaders and their followers. With a united
>effort across the globe, we can smear their ugly little faces, and
>seriously hobble their hateful agenda.
>
>Don't forget: they are more than likely to do the same to us.
>Forewarned is forearmed. Pass it on.
>
>---
>Save your brotherly/sisterly love for homophilia.
>
>
Gene Ward Smith
>Our current adhesion to homosexuality may depend upon a
>variety of factors of a personal nature and I am sure among
>the most honourable.But ultimately and at times of
>hardships,that adhesion will depend solely upon our political
>will,and not upon some mythical gay gene.
If you are bisexual, accept it. It's not a reason to become
anxious.
--
Gene Ward Smith
gsm...@blazenetme.net
John A. Leopard
>This hetro world always wanted us to adhere or to convert to
>heterosexuality.
Very well said (all of it). However, the hetero world insists
that Gay people do not exist. Almost all heterosexuals believe that
homosexuals are merely heterosexuals who had a bad experience early in
life (father left the son; mother left the daughter; son or daughter
was molested, etc.) or that we are simply "over-sexed" and that made
us "funny that way", "queer", or just "different:. Most heterosexuals
honestly believe that Gay people can be "cured" given time or
treatment. They think that we are only "going through a phase" or,
with the help of a "good woman" they (the Gay person) can be "turned
around" or "put on the right path".
Fundamentalists add to this by stating that mankind is sinful
(because of the sin of Adam) and that by merely exposing children to
the existance of "alternate lifestyles" or "pornography" (which they
intrepret to mean ANY naked body) will put the child "on the path"
towards sin. Fundamentalists insist that all mankind would chose sin
over goodness - and that the easier one's lifestyle (the more free
time one has) the more likely one will turn to sin (homosexual acts).
Of course, fundamentalist belief is rooted in the 18th century
and has not changed at all since then.
So are far as the hetero population is concerned we don't
exist , we are merely heterosexuals who have fallen into sinful
practices. Of course, we know that's bullshit, but it's going to
take a lot of convince these people otherwise.
Look how long it took to convince the general public that the
world is round.
What we must do (as you say) is show the world that we ARE
diferent, that we are "naturally" homosexual. Not sick, not sinful,
not perverted. We create the best parts of the society in which the
heterosexuals breed. We form the center and the borders of 20th
century culture and will continue to do so forever.
John
ezek...@my-dejanews.com
"James Doemer" <big...@provide.net> wrote:
>
> "If you use the same methods as your enemy, you are in danger of
> becoming that which you hate most...."
>
> Yes, it's a glaring bit of rhetoric, but think about it.
Your simplistic thinking is laughable. What about the Polish and French
resistance against the Nazi regime? Much of their sabotage was doing to the
Nazis, what the Nazis tried to do first: bomb their railroad lines,
assassinate their leaders, sabotage communications. A real analysis of how to
dismantle the enemy is complex, and involves all sorts of tactics, some of
which are even violent. But when pushed into a situation of kill or be
killed, I would do my best to kill...as would many others.
We are at war here, a very nasty war, and it has just begun heating up. I
have confidence that my suggestions for sabotage are travelling to the right
places. Because, thank God, not only can the real enemy *not stop my
messages...neither can our own queer turncoats and Uncle Toms (whether with
malicious intent or naive comprehension).
As more time passes, I will post further ideas which I cannot implement
myself, due to limited access and materials. There are those with the
materials, but without the ideas. We should work together. And to hypocrites,
panderers, and backstabbers of the movement, here is my declaration:
--------------------------------------------------------------
Permission granted by author for anyone to distribute this
writing free of charge (including translation into any
language)...under condition that no profit is made therefrom,
and that it remain intact and complete, including title and
credit to the original author.
Ezekiel J. Krahlin
ezek...@iname.com
--------------------------------------------------------------
GAY TURNCOATS IN OUR MIDST
copyright 1997 by Ezekiel J. Krahlin
(Jehovah's Queer Witness)
(Note: I use "Hellenic" or "Hellene" as an alternative to
"gay people", and "Thracian" as an alternative to "gay male".
Credit for the idea to use "Hellenic" goes to Fireweaver, an
internet friend.)
It is a grievance to me and many other Thracians, that a
large number of our "brothers" still perpetuate their own
brand of homophobia within the Gay community...in a time when
it is more important than ever before, that we band together
in order to eradicate (for once and for all) heterosexist
bigotry. This particular brand of homophobia (of Hellene
brother against brother) I coin "affection-phobia," for it
arises not from fear of male-to-male sex, but from fear of
brotherly affection (which demands compassion, loyalty, and
mutual respect). It is obvious that many guys who claim to be
part of the Hellenic Community, perceive "gay" as nothing more
than a quick "dick fix" with another boy or man...without any
dedication whatsoever to the greater ideal of Lesbian/Thracian
Rights (whose fulfillment in the 1990's will benefit many
aspects of Human Rights.)
As our rage against homophobia increases, likewise will
it turn upon those brothers who thwart the cause of Hellenism
with their petty, male-ego power games. We will soon reach a
crossroad, where the Queer Community will split between the
"turncoats," and the true revolutionaries...in order to
fulfill the doctrine so clearly laid down by our founding
fathers (and mothers) in The Declaration of Independence. We
already see this in newsgroup issues such as confronting
Christian homophobes, and pressuring our hesitant "brothers"
to participate in civil rights issues and elections (at least
when relevant to Gay liberation).
These turncoats can be identified by their discouraging
statements such as: "There's really no such thing as Gay
Rights," "It's dangerous to come out; better to lay low," "I'm
glad I'm over forty; the world can only get worse," and (I
love this one) "History repeats itself; here come the gas
ovens again." Oh, and one more, "Your attack against the
homophobes is just feeding into their flames." I believe much
of this subversion of one's own brothers, is the attempt of an
elite group of Gays to keep many from contributing their own
creative and political talents to The Cause.
Their motive is not one of liberation, but to maintain
their own, comfortable status quo of recognition, affluence,
and influence. As we know, the fight against AIDS has been
turned into a big money making machine for many organizations
that have now become powerful and rich as a result...at the
cost of unnecessary suffering and deaths. Why would anyone be
so foolish as to assume that queer politics is no different,
at least here in Amerika? There are those in the political
elite who have a vested interest in maintaining the status
quo...to keep AIDS and homophobia alive...as this is how they
continue receiving recognition, power, and finances. If
either beast were finally conquered, they would lose their
power base, replaced with new, more egalitarian ones. They
also block or discourage (often through vicious tactics) a lot
of decent GayFolk who could otherwise have greatly enhanced
the civil rights movement for all Same-Sex Lovers.
Turncoats do whatever they can to deter any brother who
believes (and actively participates in) Hellene Rights;
through games of mockery, isolation, rejection, and any other
forms of persecution that occur to them. Because of their
uncontrollable jealousy, turncoats also suppress the talents
of their artistic brothers, whose work, if acknowledged and
encouraged, could contribute in a big way to Gay Rights.
(There are numerous turncoats in the "art world" with the
money and power to back these revolutionary artists; but they
do not.) I wonder: just how many of our decent brothers have
committed suicide--not from the slings and arrows of hetero
brutality--but from betrayal (of the most vicious kind) from
their own Gay "brothers."
In closing, I address the turncoats: "My so-called
brothers, you have had ample time to clean up your act and
prove your loyalty. Step aside or be counted as the enemy."
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John A. Leopard wrote:
>
> Kin...@iname.com wrote:
>
> >This hetro world always wanted us to adhere or to convert to
> >heterosexuality.
>
> Of course, fundamentalist belief is rooted in the 18th century
> and has not changed at all since then.
>
> What we must do (as you say) is show the world that we ARE
> diferent, that we are "naturally" homosexual. Not sick, not sinful,
> not perverted. We create the best parts of the society in which the
> heterosexuals breed. We form the center and the borders of 20th
> century culture and will continue to do so forever.
>
> John
My historical research is showing me more and more cases where
homosexuals are the center of culture of all societies, and when
suppressed the society goes barbaric and falls.
There has been a big change in the direction of civilization in the
last century. This major change is the beginning of the emancipation
of women (I say beginning, because it has a long way to go world
wide.).
This will be the stablizating factor of civilazations for centuries
to come. Gay rights are tracking right along with womens rights. The
former downfall of gay men has been the compairson to male homosexuals
to women, the sub human, weak, imoral, lessor half of the human race.
In all the homophob rhetoric, when is the last time you have seen the
term 'effeminate'. This was the main charge for suppression of
homosexual men in the past many centuries. For a man to make love to
another man was the ultimate crime, acting like a the thing of
contempt, a woman.
The only women who were considered effective any anything outside
their home were considered masculine. What a put down for both.
It is different now. Women are demanding that they are full fledged
humans, and all that entails. Men who love other men, that are
compassionate, have artistic ability, have a love of learning, that
are the glue that has made societies civilized through the ages, no
longer can have the the weapon used against them 'effeminate'. That
is no longer a curse. The main weapon in the arsenal of the homophobs
has been defused.
Gay rights will advance as far as women rights advance.
Bill Long
trent petrasek
>
> I suggest that those pro-gay forces with appropriate computer skills
> acquire whatever new viruses, trojan horses and other bugs they can,
> as they come down the line...to be anonymously disseminated to all
> KKKristian homophobic leaders and their followers. With a united
> effort across the globe, we can smear their ugly little faces, and
> seriously hobble their hateful agenda.
This is entire post needs to be deleted. Who would consider doing such a
thing? Fight the hatred that we suffer with our own tools of destruction
and chaos? Nonono, that is NOT the answer here, aside from the fact that
its highly illegal.
> Don't forget: they are more than likely to do the same to us.
> Forewarned is forearmed. Pass it on.
I seriously doubt any of them have the brain capacity to compile boink.c
and run it effectively, let alone set up a machine to run it from.
--
trent petrasek
criminal@EFnet
trent petrasek
>
> > "If you use the same methods as your enemy, you are in danger of
> > becoming that which you hate most...."
> >
> > Yes, it's a glaring bit of rhetoric, but think about it.
>
> Your simplistic thinking is laughable. What about the Polish and French
> resistance against the Nazi regime? Much of their sabotage was doing to the
> Nazis, what the Nazis tried to do first: bomb their railroad lines,
> assassinate their leaders, sabotage communications. A real analysis of how to
> dismantle the enemy is complex, and involves all sorts of tactics, some of
> which are even violent. But when pushed into a situation of kill or be
> killed, I would do my best to kill...as would many others.
You seem to be forgetting one simple, minor difference: The suppressed
peoples in the early parts of WWII had a little something going for
them: it was a time of war. We are dealing with our own crisis in a
civilized, governed body, not a chaotic "every man/family for
his/itself" for physical survival.
> We are at war here, a very nasty war, and it has just begun heating up. I
A war that has RULES, called LAWS that we have to LIVE by until we can
get them CHANGED.
> have confidence that my suggestions for sabotage are travelling to the right
> places.
I seriously hope anyone else who sees your suggestions of sabotage
report you.
[snip]
> As more time passes, I will post further ideas which I cannot implement
> myself, due to limited access and materials. There are those with the
> materials, but without the ideas. We should work together. And to hypocrites,
> panderers, and backstabbers of the movement, here is my declaration:
Ok.... which mental health institution did YOU escape from?
[snipped proclomation]
--
trent petrasek
criminal@EFnet
trent petrasek
> What we must do (as you say) is show the world that we ARE
> diferent, that we are "naturally" homosexual. Not sick, not sinful,
> not perverted. We create the best parts of the society in which the
> heterosexuals breed. We form the center and the borders of 20th
> century culture and will continue to do so forever.
I seriously hope you intend on achieving this goal in MUCH more peacful
terms that Ezekiel.
--
trent petrasek
criminal@EFnet
Ezekiel Krahlin
Krahlin) wrote:
>On Thu, 30 Jul 1998 18:32:11 GMT, ezek...@my-dejanews.com_Z (Ezekiel
>Krahlin) wrote:
> A. I don't know, they're still breeding to get enough
> brains to answer the challenge!
One more change. Make that:
A. I don't know, they're still breeding to get enough brains
for the challenge!
kin...@my-dejanews.com
jale...@mindspring.com wrote:
> [...] the hetero world insists that Gay people do not exist. Almost all
> heterosexuals believe that homosexuals are merely heterosexuals who had a bad
> experience early in life
It is clear that hets believe that the whole mankind belongs to them.
They even anticipate on that,claiming every one of us as their property
prior to any rearing or socializing into their system.Most of the time,
unfortunately,their are right,since the education system and in fact
the current breeding pattern of our specie is under their exclusive
control.From those commanding heights,they rule the world.
They are however deadly wrong in the case of individuals who have against
all odds discovered that their sex was attractive and rejected the hetro
cultural influence without the support of social or historical role models.
Gays ow their existence only to themselves,and ow nothing to hets.They
are a people in their own right as any other nation.We must not downplay
our role or our responsibility in the genesis of our gay identity,for it
is the result of our struggle.
Same-sex love as a cultural,social and political value is ours,for we
made it.And so long as a gay will live,het breederdom will not have the
world empire of its dreams.
kin...@my-dejanews.com
My handle name states clearly who I am.
I am a Kinsey six gay and a separatist one,and I do not repent.Look for
converts to the hetro breeding pattern elsewhere.
Ezekiel Krahlin
<wolf@-NOSPAM-firewind.net> wrote:
>You seem to be forgetting one simple, minor difference: The suppressed
>peoples in the early parts of WWII had a little something going for
>them: it was a time of war.
We have lived under pseudo-war conditions for centuries...just grown
inured to it. We are bashed and villified on a regular basis. We are
under attack. We are at war! Not a conventional war in the sense of
bombs bursting around us, and blocks of houses going on fire. But all
the same, this is war. If we take aggressive actions NOW, we can avert
what is likely to become a more violent war...with all the
conventional traps you define as "real" war.
>We are dealing with our own crisis in a
>civilized, governed body, not a chaotic
Amerika is neither civilized, nor an organized body. It is splitting
at the seams, growing more chaotic with each day. No country is
civilized which institutionalizes brutality and denial of basic human
rights to a segment of its people.
> "every man/family for
>his/itself" for physical survival.
Oh, well that's the problem. Every straight man and family is not in a
condition where he and they must fend for themselves. But that is the
way with gays: we must daily wake up into a war zone...and the only
way we can know some peace, is to appear hetero in public arenas, and
keep our mouths shut. Else our physical survival is immediatly under
attack.
>> We are at war here, a very nasty war, and it has just begun heating up. I
>
>A war that has RULES, called LAWS that we have to LIVE by until we can
>get them CHANGED.
Homophobes aren't living by these laws. What weak laws we have are
being dismantled quickly. They are being changed, but not in our
favor. What do you mean "until we can get them changed". And when is
that? Do you know? How many more days, weeks, months, years, are you
willing to live under terrorist sanction? If you looked into a crystal
ball and saw that we'd win equality 20 years from today...would you
then say, well everything's okay, we can afford to lose another
million or so before then...and it won't be me, I'm alive in that
cyrstal ball?
>I seriously hope anyone else who sees your suggestions of sabotage
>report you.
Go ahead, report me. And accept the consequences of your actions. You
just might gain me a larger audience.
>Ok.... which mental health institution did YOU escape from?
None, yet...but I'm trying to. It's called the United States of
Amerika...and it is loaded to the gills with psychotic, hetero
perverts looking to bash every goddam queer who exists in "God's
country". With a country like this, who needs a mental instititution?
We got total looneys dressed in blue, with silver badges, night sticks
and guns...claiming to protect our proud national from those nasty
homos. We have religious leaders screaming to high heaven to come down
and smite us all with His wrath. We have powerful, mainstream media
such as the NY Times publishing gay-hatred disguised as
advertisements.
Would you care to set up a fund to get me asylum in Holland?
---
Q. How many heteros does it take to screw in a light bulb?
A. I don't know, they're still breeding to get enough brains
for the challenge!
---
Ezekiel Krahlin
<wolf@-NOSPAM-firewind.net> wrote:
>This is entire post needs to be deleted.
Oh, another queer turncoat attempting to censor me...ha, ha! Demonize
me all you want, I'm used to that. Means no difference to me, and will
not slow me down one whit.
You can't fool me, by pretending you don't know all the horrible
threats homophobes toss our way in these newsgroups. And how about all
the evil proposals they cast under public light in their own
diabolical christnet newsgroups? If my post deserves deletions, then
other posts even more deserving, should be first shut down. So, where
are you complaining about the virulent madness spouting from our
homophobic intruders, demanding they be shut down? They don't just
flood gay groups with outright terrorist threats, they spread their
vile notions to each and every newsgroup on Usenet. How many groups
are there, anyway, 30,000? 50,000?
>Who would consider doing such a
>thing? Fight the hatred that we suffer with our own tools of destruction
>and chaos? Nonono, that is NOT the answer here, aside from the fact that
>its highly illegal.
Oh, and homophobes are perfectly legal, eh? Anything I have suggested,
or will ever suggest, looks like children's play when compared to the
evil proposals for annihilation of gays, that bigots announce each and
every day in thousands of newsgroups. I wouldn't worry about what's
legal and illegal...not in a society where we are illegal ourselves,
just for existing! Some states may now give us legal status, but in
the eyes of society at large, we remain criminals, perverts,
blasphemers, and subhuman all across our unfair country.
And you would have me censored, on the grounds that something I
propose is "illegal"? Why, proposing having sex with you would be
illegal in many states (assuming you are Thracian)...but even in those
where it is not illegal, we still run a very high risk of being
bludgeoned to death just for holding hands for any prolonged length of
time...even in gay neighborhoods, including The Castro in San
Francisco, our "gay mecca".
When was the last time you saw two gay men or women in a public park,
in loving embrace, one's head resting in the lap of the other? When's
the last time you saw two gays ride public transit, arms wound around
each other, sharing kisses and small talk?
I think we should make public hetero displays of affection illegal in
San Francisco, for the entire week of Gay Pride. And if caught, arrest
them and put them in the clinker for two solid weeks, and charge them
a $500 fine which will go to some gay charity. We should *permanently
outlaw hetero affection in the few small pockets that are gay
neighborhoods, in all our major cities. After all, heteros will never
respect out space...they'll smooth, rub agains each other, push baby
strollers right down our own streets! If they respected us, they'd
leave their hetero affection home, while strolling our streets and
shops. Yet, should a straight couple be kicked out of a gay club for
smootching and grasping each other, they make a big stink, and try to
sue the establishment. But do they let us gays do the same thing in
their straight hangouts? No...nor does the court defend gays for
showing affection in public hetero environments.
>> Don't forget: they are more than likely to do the same to us.
>> Forewarned is forearmed. Pass it on.
>
>I seriously doubt any of them have the brain capacity to compile boink.c
>and run it effectively, let alone set up a machine to run it from.
Who are they? I'm sure out of all the participants in Usenet, is an
occasional lesbian or gay, with real sharp computer savvy, able to
assist others with less talent, to maintain an effective underground
system of non-violent sabotage. Sure, it's illegal...but so is kissing
you on the lips. I must also include some of our best allies: the
occasional, but incredibly pro-gay straight or bi man or woman.
For your information: the new viruses and bombs coming out are much
easier to build and disseminate. We are headed for real cyberwars in
the very near future. You don't think the religious right does not
already have plans under way to sabotage all our gay newsgroups, as
well as all known gay organizations and individuals relying on
computer technology to fight for civil rights?
For you to report me, will place you in an unsavory spot in the annals
of gay history. In fact, your very lack of offering me some protection
already betrays you as a cutthroat. Perhaps the Thracian movement will
have to form its underground movement without the knowledge of those
gays who suck the tit of heterocentric privilege.
---
Q. How many heteros does it take to screw in a light bulb?
Ezekiel Krahlin
He was not discussing rebellion, or even defense in violent times. He
was describing what many gays habitually do, even as complacent slaves
to bossy heteros: art, science, drama, music, and so on. Now, a
*rebellious act would be to cease providing our heterocentric culture
with great pleasures of cultural richness (which hets eventually steal
from us and claim credit for, anyway). Which is exactly what I believe
we should do!
We should only provide amenities and all other things that make life
so pleasant, for our own kind...and covet our talents as too worthy to
rub in the dirt of hetero hoodlums. Amerika is a society of thugs, a
John Wayne Gacey type of Bozo of modern civilization. They are brutes
who squeeze out of us, not just our greatest talents, but our very own
literal blood, to appease the ravenous appetite of their hetero
Moloch's lust.
It is the divisiveness among Amerikan gays that keeps us from acting
in unity on such strategic dissent...and keeps us from using our
notoriously clever artistry to work into a form of brillaint rejection
and condemnation of the het regime which owns our balls and ovaries
along with our souls. But I have faith that we will get it together
this time--that in fact, it has already begun, and for which I hope I
made, and am making, some worthy contributions.
It was the Boston Tea Party, the secession of Amerikan colonies from
England, and a bloody revolution that gave us a country with a lot
more freedom than most any other place on the globe. (This has long
since changed: Amerika has become one of the most oppressive nations
in the world, with the highest rate of violence among all the
developed nations. We must look to northern and western Europe for
democratic inspirations.) Were these peaceful terms? Mostly, no. Yet
you most likely believe in the ideals of your nation (assuming you are
a U.S. citizen; if not, my points still stand).
I believe the French and Polish underground in WWII, the Underground
Railroad in early Amerika to bring African slaves to freedom, Native
Americans at Wounded Knee, labor strikers in the 1920's and 30's, and
the 60's free speech movement of civil disobedience (to name but
several of many examples)...were all struggles for peaceful
coexistance by peace-loving people who would otherwise remain totally
non-violent except for extraordinary circumstances of oppression and
persecution. They all shed much blood, out of devotion to an ideal.
It is these incidents mentioned above, that inspire my concepts of
democratic ideals and equality for our gay sisters and brothers.
My terms, when set in the frame of these examples, are indeed
peaceful. I am encouraging others to use totally non-violent forms of
civil disobedience...using this ultra new medium of the Internet, as
part of our arsenal.
I am not espousing violence...but I do encourage ways to use
psychological terrorism to subdue our enemies. They use it on us gays,
lesbians, straight women, and children all the time, usually with
flagrant aplomb, and a cause for many of their celebratory events.
("Our church just got eleven thousand dollars in donations, to help
fight homophobia. Let's throw a dance!" ... "I got 18,000 extra votes
for promoting anti-gay causes, let's have our victory party" ... "I
arrested eleven faggots for peeing in public restrooms today. Let's go
out for dinner tonight." ... "Hey, dudes, I just kicked the shit out
of a faggot and his motorcyle. I even got his wallet. Get beer!"
Why you'd be so eager to color me as violent, when this nation is
infested in every nook and cranny with murderous homophobes who are
far more deserving of that title...certainly exposes your likely
affiliations. Would you also regard me as "violent", for encouraging
gays to bear arms for their own defense, such as pepper spray or a
licensed weapon? Would you consder me "violent" for refusing to attend
family weddings until the day when gay marriage is legal--and saying
so in letters mailed to my relatives? Would you consider me "violent"
for suggesting aggressive tactics that will protect and defend us from
voracious homophobes...or at least prolong our lives?
So a stinkin' hetero bashes a gay person, winds up murdering
him...ends up before the judge who gives him a mere slap on the wrist:
"Two years' probation and a hundred hours of community service". Then
I tell my gay associates to carry pepper spray...even a gun if it's
legal, if they are comfortable with that. So someone then turns on me
with accusation, "You are so violent!" And he's gay! I have learned a
long time ago, of a faction of gay people who literally thrive on
self- immolation and the destruction and death of other gays.
To accuse me of violence is an attempt to intimidate my efforts,
distract my energies, muddy the real issue, sabotage my goals for a
better life for homosexuals. And the only person who would commit
violence, claiming to be inspired by my writings, would be a plant
from the Religious Right or CIA, to sabotage me.
To accuse me of violence, for proposing actions inspired by our allies
in WWII, and other peace-loving revolutionaires who often went
underground to achieve their ends...is like accusing a concentration
camp prisoner for being "violent" for hitting a guard on the head with
a hammer, in order to escape.
Ezekiel Krahlin
Krahlin) wrote:
>shops. Yet, should a straight couple be kicked out of a gay club for
>smootching and grasping each other, they make a big stink, and try to
>sue the establishment. But do they let us gays do the same thing in
>their straight hangouts? No...nor does the court defend gays for
>showing affection in public hetero environments.
--------------------------------------------------------------
Permission granted by author for anyone to distribute this
writing free of charge (including translation into any
language)...under condition that no profit is made therefrom,
and that it remain intact and complete, including title and
credit to the original author.
Ezekiel J. Krahlin
ezek...@iname.com
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HETERO SLEAZE VS. GAY DIGNITY
copyright 1997 by Ezekiel J. Krahlin
(Jehovah's Queer Witness)
September 6, 1996
Dear B.A.R. Editor,
I would like to address Damon Jacobs, whose letter of
September 5 complained about the sudden removal of himself and
friends from The Cafe, due to the intimate smooching--in
public--of the straight couple in his group. Mr. Jacobs was
flustered over what he perceives as an ignorant, dangerous
action taken by a bartender in this obviously pro-les/gay
establishment. He wasn't even given a chance to tell the
bartender that this hetero couple were his guests, and I
quote: "...she called upon a guard who promptly and rudely
kicked the four of us out. No questions were asked, no
discussion, nothing."
Let me ask you this, oh righteous Damon: Since when has
a gay couple caught necking in a straight bar, NOT been
promptly kicked out...and worse yet, often bashed to a bloody
pulp? By the way, have your opposite-sex friends ever invited
you to a straight bar...and encouraged you to make out with a
gay buddy right there, in front of all the homophobes...and
offered to protect you should a fight break out? My
impression of your two hetero comrades, is that they are
insensitive and thoughtless at best, and flauntingly arrogant
and homo-condemning at worst. Who do they think they are, to
push their breeder ways in our faces, in the few places where
we're supposed to feel comfortable? I think your "het"
friends got off lightly, by a prompt dismissal with neither
bruising nor threat of bruising, as a consequence of their
actions.
You suggest, dear Damon, that The Cafe should warn all
patrons of discrimination against certain hetero actions,
before they enter the premises. That's fine with me; a sign
could be posted that says: "To our heterosexual clients:
This is a protective environment for lesbian and gay people.
Please respect our space. Blatant displays of hetero love
play will result in immediate expulsion of the offending
parties." But I don't encourage such posting until the same
is done in strictly hetero environments, i.e. "straight bars."
After all, no straight bar posts any sign saying "Faggots and
dykes not welcome." As long as these homo-hateful places
continue to bash us, I think they should be forced to announce
this policy right at their entrance ways, for all to see.
Don't you agree, Damon?
I am in complete opposition, Mr. Jacobs, to your
condemnation of The Cafe's action (of removing the
heterosexist couple). In fact, I applaud their unflinching
stance, and only wish that more queer places would be so
forthright. How often I go to a gay bar to see bartenders do
absolutely nothing about a hetero couple getting it on amidst
a gay crowd that really is disgusted with het-sex
arrogance...and desires to avoid it for a short while, by
going to these pro-homosexual establishments (which, by the
way, play mostly hetero love songs: egad!). If any action
should be taken, it should be AGAINST those bartenders,
waiters, clerks, shop owners, etc., who look the other way
when "hets" flaunt their sexist behavior in lesbian or gay
environments.
I encourage more people in our community to patronize The
Cafe...and any other les/gay spots that actively staunch any
and all heterosexist behavior. Posting a sign to this
effect--as Damon Jacobs suggested in a brilliant flash of
insight--will most likely increase customer volume. For
believe it or not, there are ever-increasing numbers of
non-heterosexist heteros, who gladly support the pro-homo
movement. In the lesbian/gay cause, they rightly see
improvement towards the treatment of females, children, and
male gentleness. These are intelligent people whom we should
welcome with open arms...but who should finally start wearing
pro-gay buttons and T-shirts, with statements such as "Another
hetero for gay rights." In that way, we may distinguish them
from the bestial, Cro-Magnon heterosexist type, and give them
our gratitude and trust.
We lesbians, gays, and other assorted queers, have hardly
any place to go in this city, county, state, nation, or world,
where we are not in immediate danger of being terrorized for
our lives. Can we not even have a few places where no
heterosexist activity takes place? You may not like to think
in this way, but the truth is that we still live in a society
which absolutely thrives on terrorizing the homosexual. It is
like being surrounded by Charles Manson clones wherever I
go...whether to a shopping mall, a busy street, a club, bar,
or neighborhood, the theater, and so on ad nauseum. You never
know--from one moment to the next--which of these seemingly
peaceful, sane citizens around you, is going to suddenly lash
out at you with the word "Faggot!" exploding from his or her
mouth like a machine-gun volley, and start bashing. And nine
times out of ten, s/he'll get away with it even before a court
of law! And please, don't apply what limited "rights" we may
have in San Francisco...they are not only light years ahead of
ninety-eight percent of the rest of this nation, but they
still remain decrees for second-class citizens.
-----finis
---
Q. How many heteros does it take to screw in a light bulb?
ital...@hotmail.com
respose was:
> Your simplistic thinking is laughable. [...]
This is apparently a mantra you enjoy. Here are other examples from different
posts:
> Kingsix never suggested rejecting family and marriage...except for their
> hetero manifestations. Does he have to spell everything out for you?
> How could any gay man or woman who is reasonably aware of social
> issues, disagree with Kingsix's following statement: [...]
> Is this really so difficult for you to understand?
> Does Kingsix need to procede every noun referring to straights with the
> adjective "het", for you to grasp his clear reasoning? Do you really like to
> be hit on the head over and over again to learn something?
[...and then the utterly delightful...]
> Unfortunately, I think a lot of you gay (mostly Amerikan) participants
> lack basic reading and communication skills...and fly off the handle
> over rather innocuous statements, because you can't derive their
> meanings. It's like calling someone "niggardly", then being accused
> of using the "N" word. (I know, this went over a lot of heads.)
You really oughta stop turning your nose up at the great homosexual
'unwashed' if you're looking for support. Your 'cause' appears extremist and
will never get reviewed (or funded) if you keep up your pompous attitude.
>We also have a new, and powerful weapon. The Internet.
Heh. You won't as long as you know so little about marketing and positioning.
--
Steve Giammarco
ital...@hotmail.com
ital...@hotmail.com
> My handle name states clearly who I am. I am a Kinsey six gay and a
> separatist one, and I do not repent. Look for converts to the hetro
> breeding pattern elsewhere.
You are also a pompous ass. 'kingsix' wouldn't lead any sentient being to
assume it's value would decode to 'kinsey six gay'.
So go ahead and label me a 'turncoat' or whatever the fuck else you
sanctimonius creeps feel is necessary. Sheesh. -- Steve Giammarco
ital...@hotmail.com
> This hetro world always wanted us to adhere or to convert to
> heterosexuality.
>
> The hetro regime has frequently resorted and still resorts in
> most places to intimidation and violence to reach that goal.
>
> It could however and as well resort to cunning. And it will if
> it senses among us any weakness of character or lack of
> ideological motivation or political will to remain gays.
[...]
I agree. So much so that I just *had* to take a spin thru the website found at
http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/.
As long as we're on the topic of 'cunning', I'm *convinced* this site is a
plot by a group of anti-homosexuals of unknown (but suspect) origins.
It's purpose is to hold up a false 'gay agenda' into the face of John Q.
Public to frighten heterosexuals into increased action against homosexuals.
Fortunately, there ain't enough radicals with extremist views on EITHER side
to warrant this site as a threat.
To the yokels that dreamed this one up: You are dinosaurs with one foot
planted firmly the grave of extinction. Good riddance, say I (and Society).
Cunning? Feh!
Ezekiel Krahlin
<wolf@-NOSPAM-firewind.net> wrote:
>I seriously doubt any of them have the brain capacity to compile boink.c
>and run it effectively, let alone set up a machine to run it from.
As many of us once doubted the Christian right would ever have grown
as powerful as it has.
Even if they don't have the "brains", they have the "money". And you
don't have to be very bright to hire the best scientists,
sociologists, spin doctors, researchers, computer hackers and the
like...to form a concerted and powerful attack upon gay people and
their supporters, in many different arenas.
And that is precisely what is going on.
If they're not so "bright", then why the hell are they so powerful
now, and a terrible threat to our freedom and survival? Or is this all
just an hallucination of our own making? They're bright enough to have
come this far; they're bright enough to go further. You only need a
handful of bright manipulators, to direct the majority--dumb sheep--to
obey their bidding.
---
This message coming to you from: U.S.A.
(United States of Auschwitz).
---
Q. How many heteros does it take to screw in a light bulb?
KALKevin
now, and a terrible threat to our freedom and survival? Or is this all
just an hallucination of our own making?>>
I don't see the Christian right as being as powerful as they think they are.
Just look at the backlash taking place over their ads. They are alienating
their own Republican party by the thousands. Recent polls among Republicans
show that only the very far right wing minority of the party cares a lick about
"morality" issues like homosexuality. I think you will find that if the right
wing continues to push this morality agenda, they are going to be deeply hurt
in the coming elections. Polls support that stance.
What the Christian right does have right now, however, is the ear of the
leaders of the Republican party. But that will change, as well, thanks to the
new polling information that show that if they Republican leaders continue to
follow ultra-right-wing ideology, they are political liabilities. It could
even split the Republican party into the Republican party and a theocracy
party, which would be political suicide for both. Their only option is to
moderate or lose their base, which is not as right wing as the Christian groups
would have us believe.
And I've used this quote before: The dying man cries the loudest. Right wing
Christian organizations are losing their "holy war," and they know it. So
they're screaming louder and trying to puff themselves up to look bigger and
more powerful than they are. When in fact, they are a drop in the bucket when
compared to the rest of America.
In other words, loudness doesn't equal real power.
Ezekiel Krahlin
<wolf@-NOSPAM-firewind.net> wrote:
>I seriously doubt any of them have the brain capacity to compile boink.c
>and run it effectively, let alone set up a machine to run it from.
==========================================
E-mail software flaw leaves PCs vulnerable
By Matt Beer
OF THE EXAMINER STAFF
Wednesday, July 29, 1998
(c) 1998 San Francisco Examiner
Netscape, Microsoft urge immediate fix
A security flaw found a month ago in several popular e-mail
programs is shaking up the on-line world.
The flaw, discovered by computer scientists at Oulu University
in Finland, has been confirmed by researchers at Microsoft and
Netscape.
"So far, it's only a lab exercise," said Julie Herendeen,
Netscape's director of client product marketing, "but it's a
serious one, and we're taking it seriously."
The bug, called the "longfile" e-mail bug, works by way of
e-mail attachments and can erase files on a hard drive, crash
a computer and create general havoc on a desktop.
So how does it happen? Attachments are data files -- usually
pictures or word-processing files -- sent along with an
e-mail.
The malicious code, researchers say, can be hidden in the
label, or file name, of that attachment.
According to both Microsoft and Netscape, the label to those
doctored attachments has to be longer than 200 characters.
This creates a buffer overload.
A buffer is a chunk of a computer's memory that holds
information being used by a running program. Once the overload
is created, code contained in the label can run programs on
the target computer, programs that could erase files, crash
the computer and do other damage.
So far, there have been no reported incidents of "crackers"
using the bug. Crackers is the term for those who use their
computer expertise to damage other people's systems.
Microsoft has confirmed that the flaw exists in its popular
Outlook Express and Outlook 98 e-mail packages used on
Windows, Macintosh and other machines.
Netscape says it has confirmed the flaw on its Communicator
e-mail software for Windows-based computers only. A spokesman
for Eudora, another popular e-mail software, said it had not
found the flaw in its products.
Though the longfile bug is still confined to computer
laboratories, Netscape, Microsoft and others are urging users
to fix their e-mail programs. "The goal right now is to get
this fix out as fast and to as many people as possible," said
George Meng, group product manager of Microsoft's Outlook
software.
"It's a pretty obscure, hard-to-use flaw," said Joyce Graff,
an e-mail security expert at the GartnerGroup, a high-tech
consulting company in Stamford, Conn. "But people need to get
it fixed before it gets out."
Some predict the flaw will become a widely used Internet
weapon.
"People sort of assume they aren't going to get hit by this,"
said Eric Allman, chief technical officer of San
Francisco-based Sendmail Inc., a leading provider of e-mail
software for Internet service providers. "But now that the
crackers know what to do, it's only a matter of time before
they use it."
Allman painted a bleak picture for the future of this flaw,
which he says could be shotgunned at thousands of e-mail
users. "Its only a matter of time, and not a lot of time at
that," he said.
Microsoft has posted fixes and more information at
www.microsoft.com/ie/security. Netscape plans to issue a fix
within 10 days. It's posting information about the bug at
home.netscape.com/products/security.
---
Q. How many heteros does it take to screw in a light bulb?
Ezekiel Krahlin
>I agree. So much so that I just *had* to take a spin thru the website found at
>http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/.
>
>As long as we're on the topic of 'cunning', I'm *convinced* this site is a
>plot by a group of anti-homosexuals of unknown (but suspect) origins.
By your reasoning, then Rev. Phelp's bigoted site called "God Hates
Fags dot Com", is really a plant by the gay faction to make all
KKKristians look bad. And the Warsaw Ghetto uprising was a conspiracy
by Nazis to make all Jews look bad (why, those nasty little
upstarts!). And the uprising at Wounded Knee was a government plot to
make white people hate native americans even more.
And of course, the sheer logic of your words has convinced me that our
really gay friends are all in the christnet newsgroups. What a shock
to learn that the people I've been associating with in these gay
newsgroups are all raging homophobes, trying to make gays look bad.
>It's purpose is to hold up a false 'gay agenda' into the face of John Q.
>Public to frighten heterosexuals into increased action against homosexuals.
The Stonewall Riot was likewise a conspiracy to motivate heteros to
further persecute gays. And the White Knight Riots were really
bible-belt fundies smashing windows of federal offices, and
burning/destroying police cars.
>Fortunately, there ain't enough radicals with extremist views on EITHER side
>to warrant this site as a threat.
Thank you for setting me "straight" in this matter. From here on, I
will only participate with my true queer family of love in
alt.christnet and similar fundamentalist groups like
alt.org.promiskeepers and alt.military.cadet.
Nevertheless, I must thank you for the free publicity!
IS ZEKE'S WEBSITE REALLY ANTI-GAY? IS ZEKE REALLY A PLANT FOR THE
RELIGIOUS RIGHT? SEE FOR YOURSELF AT:
AYCH TEE TEE PEE COLON SLASH SLASH MEMBERS DOT XOOM DOT COM
SLASH EZEKEILK SLASH INDEX DOT AYCH TEE EM ELL
kin...@my-dejanews.com
trent petrasek <wolf@-NOSPAM-firewind.net> wrote:
> John A. Leopard wrote:
>
> > What we must do (as you say) is show the world that we ARE
> > diferent, that we are "naturally" homosexual. Not sick, not sinful,
> > not perverted. We create the best parts of the society in which the
> > heterosexuals breed. We form the center and the borders of 20th
> > century culture and will continue to do so forever.
>
> I seriously hope you intend on achieving this goal in MUCH more peacful
> terms that Ezekiel.
At least Ezekiel has not fallen to the level of suggesting us,as you
Petrasek did today on this thread,to act towards each other as informants
of the foreign hetro authorities.
ital...@hotmail.com
paranoid overreaction gets a gold star for consistent and predictably aberrant
behaviour.
Yeah, yeah, yeah... I'm a 'turncoat'. Or whatever cutsie codewords you guys
have dreamt up in those demented minds...
Honestly now... Do you think it really matters if I've planted the seed of
doubt in the minds of those who read your crap? Do you think it matters if
I'm not the only one on the entire fucking planet who is convinced your
agenda is suspicious?
You and kingsix do a *much* better job of derailing your 'movement' and
damaging your personal credibility than *any* countermeasure I could possibly
conceive or execute.
But hey! Lemme know when y'all secede from the US and deposit your silly
butts on whatever atoll strikes your fancy. I want front row seats when
homo-on-the-range is blown to smithereens by one of those edgy, mysterious,
anti-homosexual groups whose existence you keep aluding to in your
sky-is-falling tirades.
If you guys weren't so funny, I'd hafta feel sad and take pity on you. But I
must admit I get the biggest kick outta reading about your escapades.
--
Steve Giammarco
ital...@hotmail.com
In article <35c2232d...@nntp.sj.bigger.net>,
Lion of Jerusalem
Steve wrote in response to the bold sweeping forward looking proposition, that gays
form their own state,
Hey, I totally agree with your thoughts about secession, and creation of a
homosexual state.
Gathering of our brothers and sisters in one geographically concentrated
location probably wont pose any insurmountable challenges.
I am confident we could maintain the required state of hypervigilance to
defend our new states water, air, and food supplies from quick-acting
biotoxic agents such as anthrax, ebola, botulinum toxin, and other
disease-causing pathogens. Those breeders would just jump at the chance to
eradicate a large gay population.
Likewise, we could patrol our borders and defend our airspace to keep
breeders out. We'll establish a process to screen out undesirables when
granting temporary visas. We will also need a method to certify homosexuals for
citizenship in our new homeland. Id be willing to do my part by processing
all males between 18 and 25.
With hard work and dedication, our citizens could eventually free themselves
of the horrible side effects of interacting with breeders for so many
centuries. We could cleanse ourselves in two generations, max.
Im stoked When can we start?
--
Steve Giammarco
TWO GENERATIONS, STEVE? WELL, I GUESS THE LESBIANS COULD HANDLE THAT ASPECT OF IT. ARTIFICIAL INSEMINATION WOULD DO THE TRICK. OR
WE COULD LET SOME BISEXUALS IN JUST TO KEEP IT GOING.
Cliff Hammond
JTEM or whomever.]
kin...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> In article <35C1764F.17513661@-NOSPAM-firewind.net>,
> trent petrasek <wolf@-NOSPAM-firewind.net> wrote:
> > I seriously hope you intend on achieving this goal in MUCH more peacful
> > terms that Ezekiel.
>
> At least Ezekiel has not fallen to the level of suggesting us,as you
> Petrasek did today on this thread,to act towards each other as informants
> of the foreign hetro authorities.
Well, it certainly is a lot of fun to be radical. And it serves as a pretty
good vehicle to justifiably vent a lot of anger and rage. The "Back to
Africa" movement was never pulled off in the flesh and this one even has less
of a chance. (1) We live in a postindustrial west, so its not like living in
an agricultural society where you simply have to consolidate land and make a
stand. The economic resources in which we are in relationship don't require
a boundaried land necessarily. But I suppose cruising does - if you want to
do it in person and not on a "chat" channel - in which case you may want to
move to the Castro. Personally, I'll pass on the gay ghetto. (2)
Heterosexual families are the breeding ground for gay kids and, try as you
might, it's going to be hard to find THAT many dedicated lesbians willing to
surrogate this new homosexual social order. But then you could send out spies
and "Shanghai" any newly "begots" among the hets that you suspect is gay.
I certainly don't disagree with the expression of anger and self determined
identity. The Radical Faeries did a nice number in this regard in the 80s,
people just got tired of dancing naked under the full moon while covered in
mud and beating on tom-toms at "gatherings" where expectations of majic
usually just led to jail or commital to the state hospital. Oh, this New Age!
The thing about identity is that once you become more and more aware of
constructs and how they effect you, i.e., as you approach "enlightenment,"
the more you realize there really is no such thing as a "self." It is just a
socially constructed delusion that we mistakenly perceive as functional.
I would suggest that the more you youngsters come out of your heads and allow
yourself the luxury of feelings such as love and compassion, you may surprise
yourselves and end up in a committed relationship. The next thing that may
occur to you is that straight people are enjoying the economic and social
blessings of a long tested social institution - marriage. Then it may occur
to you that no one gives a shit how much you may appear to be "assimilated"
as long as your will is respected, you get a tax break, your partner is
covered on your insurance, you can visit him in the hospital, your property
rights are respected, etc. There will be plenty of time for the next
generations to revise, rename and reconstruct the specifically gay
institution of "partnership," "close relationship," "long time
companionship," or "a thing for each other."
As Humpty Dumpty said to Alice, "It's not the name of the thing that matters;
it's what the name of the thing is called." This whole "marriage" thing is
not about wearing the cloths of the emperor; its about making life more
functional.
-- cliff
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"The Quagmire of Literalism:"
"Tellthevision for no one until the Son of Man has risen" [Gospel
of Mark]
--Jesus of
Nazareth outlaws tellthevision
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John A. Leopard
>My historical research is showing me more and more cases where
>homosexuals are the center of culture of all societies, and when
>suppressed the society goes barbaric and falls.
I agree completely. A few years ago I did a considerabe
amount of research on the subject. It amazed me how many famous and
influential people in history were homosexual. Take any list of
"great people in history" and over half of that list will be made up
of Gay people, far beyond the most generous estimate of Gay people in
the population.
So many people whom I had assumed were celibate, turned out to
be homosexual - straight history books do their best to hide the
truth. Even people whom I greatly respected and whom I had studied
previously, but not delved into their private lives, turned out to be
Gay. And there were LOTS of famous people (some married) who had
unpublicized, but uncontrovertable, homosexual affairs - including
Ralph Waldo Emerson, George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Sir Isaac
Newton, Wolfgang von Goethe, etc. . It doesn't take much digging to
find a LOT of credible evidence that straight historians try so hard
to hide.
>There has been a big change in the direction of civilization in the
>last century. This major change is the beginning of the emancipation
>of women (I say beginning, because it has a long way to go world
>wide.).
True. As society became less dependant on muscle and more
dependant on intelligence and the ability to work well with others,
the role of women improved and society as a whole became less
testosterone dominated. That has lead the way for the women's
movement and for Gay rights.
If you study the poems of Sappho, you can see how respect for
women as equals (a tradition among the Celts and many early European
peoples) began to crumble in ancient Greece. Within Sappho's lifetime
women went from being treated as equals to men almost to the point of
being treated by men as livestock. I think that was because the
invention of iron weaponry made upper-body strength absolutely
necessary for survival. Now that we have moved away from upper-body
strength as a necessity for survival (after only three thousand years
(grin), every human finally have the chance to demand respect.
>This will be the stablizating factor of civilazations for centuries
>to come. Gay rights are tracking right along with womens rights. The
>former downfall of gay men has been the compairson to male homosexuals
>to women, the sub human, weak, imoral, lessor half of the human race.
>In all the homophob rhetoric, when is the last time you have seen the
>term 'effeminate'. This was the main charge for suppression of
>homosexual men in the past many centuries. For a man to make love to
>another man was the ultimate crime, acting like a the thing of
>contempt, a woman.
Exactly. Gay people as a group have moved to the cities
since the dawn of western civilization because in the cities one does
not need brute strength to survive (unlike in the forests and the
farms). Now that the entire world is becoming urbanized, brute
strength is becoming much less important.
>The only women who were considered effective any anything outside
>their home were considered masculine. What a put down for both.
>
>It is different now. Women are demanding that they are full fledged
>humans, and all that entails. Men who love other men, that are
>compassionate, have artistic ability, have a love of learning, that
>are the glue that has made societies civilized through the ages, no
>longer can have the the weapon used against them 'effeminate'. That
>is no longer a curse. The main weapon in the arsenal of the homophobs
>has been defused.
>
>Gay rights will advance as far as women rights advance.
>
True, but many Gay men worked for women's rights (and
African-American rights). The forces which made it possible for one
civil rights group to grow made it possible for the others to grow -
the rapid urbanization of society meant that everyone had to be
treated equally without regard to their physical attributes (strength
and/or skin color).
I appreciate your comments.
John
John A. Leopard
>In article <35c0fc6f...@news.mindspring.com>,
> jale...@mindspring.com wrote:
>
>> [...] the hetero world insists that Gay people do not exist. Almost all
>> heterosexuals believe that homosexuals are merely heterosexuals who had a bad
>> experience early in life
>
>It is clear that hets believe that the whole mankind belongs to them.
True. That's why hets constantly ask us "When did you become
Gay?", yet they think laughable the question, "When did you become
straight?".
They assume that heterosexuality is not just "the norm", to
them it is the ONLY sexual orientation and we (Gay people) are merely
"off the path". Straight men, in particular, cannot imagine it
possible for a "guy" to not find a woman's breasts attractive - and
they are repulsed at the idea of a guy finding a smooth chest or
another man's penis erotic.
Even the most tolerant heterosexual man harbors the feeling
that homosexuals can change if they really wanted to. The straight
man's universe revolves around women's teats - their whole life begins
and ends at a woman's breasts. They can not understand us.
>They even anticipate on that,claiming every one of us as their property
>prior to any rearing or socializing into their system.Most of the time,
>unfortunately,their are right,since the education system and in fact
>the current breeding pattern of our specie is under their exclusive
>control.From those commanding heights,they rule the world.
But science gives us hope. Soon, Gay men (so inclined) will
be able to pick up their new born clones from an artificial womb
clinic (probably in Mexico) and those of us who wish to raise our
children will be able to do so...
But you are totally correct. Straight men think of their
children as their property - just as they used to think of women (and
some still do).
.
>They are however deadly wrong in the case of individuals who have against
>all odds discovered that their sex was attractive and rejected the hetro
>cultural influence without the support of social or historical role models.
>
>Gays ow their existence only to themselves,and ow nothing to hets.They
>are a people in their own right as any other nation.We must not downplay
>our role or our responsibility in the genesis of our gay identity,for it
>is the result of our struggle.
I just wish that Gay people could foster a greater sense of
community. So many Gay men and Lesbians think only of other Gay
people as potential sex partners, not as their brothers and sisters.
We all need to do more. We need places where our young, our old, our
sick and our poor can stay without harm or harassment. We need places
in small towns for Gay people. We need places in big cities for Gay
people to socialize outside of bars and crusing areas. Gay people
need to resolve to give money ONLY to Gay charities - and Gay people
need to make sure that money is well spent. Gay people need to
volunteer more to help other Gay people. Gay people need to be more
accepting of other minorities within our communities - people of
color, bisexuals, transsexuals, transgendered, leather, etc. (I can
hear the Gay Republicans screaming already - grin-).,
We need to do AT LEAST as much for our own as we each do for
our biological brothers and sisters.
>Same-sex love as a cultural,social and political value is ours,for we
>made it.And so long as a gay will live,het breederdom will not have the
>world empire of its dreams.
Our victory will be achieved when two men or two women can
kiss and hold hands on Main Street - at noon - in the smallest town in
North America - without fear of even a dirty look from anyone..
John
John A. Leopard
>John A. Leopard wrote:
>
>> What we must do (as you say) is show the world that we ARE
>> diferent, that we are "naturally" homosexual. Not sick, not sinful,
>> not perverted. We create the best parts of the society in which the
>> heterosexuals breed. We form the center and the borders of 20th
>> century culture and will continue to do so forever.
>
>I seriously hope you intend on achieving this goal in MUCH more peacful
>terms that Ezekiel.
I read what Ezekiel wrote and agree with him. He's not
advocating physical violence - only that Gay people stand up for
ourselves - and fight back where it is necessary. That is exactly
what was necessary to end the Vietnam War and to end racial
discrimination in the South, etc.. It's great to read someone who
still cares strongly....
John
>--
>trent petrasek
>criminal@EFnet
John A. Leopard
(snip)
>He was not discussing rebellion, or even defense in violent times. He
>was describing what many gays habitually do, even as complacent slaves
>to bossy heteros: art, science, drama, music, and so on. Now, a
>*rebellious act would be to cease providing our heterocentric culture
>with great pleasures of cultural richness (which hets eventually steal
>from us and claim credit for, anyway). Which is exactly what I believe
>we should do!
I agree completely!
>We should only provide amenities and all other things that make life
>so pleasant, for our own kind...and covet our talents as too worthy to
>rub in the dirt of hetero hoodlums. Amerika is a society of thugs, a
>John Wayne Gacey type of Bozo of modern civilization. They are brutes
>who squeeze out of us, not just our greatest talents, but our very own
>literal blood, to appease the ravenous appetite of their hetero
>Moloch's lust.
I'm not sure that every Gay person could achieve this,
certainly it would not be practical for everyone, but as a Manifesto
it is excellent. Every Gay person should try to raise the issue -
stand up for themselves and the enitre Gay community. Often small
acts can be very useful - and very liberating. Those in a position to
do more should do more. We should not be railroaded into submission -
and forced into invisibility by our own fear.
.
Jean Paul Sartre said that homosexuals are natural
revolutionaries. We live in contradiction to the majority lifestyle,
yet we are members (most of us) of the majority. We need to heighten
the contradiction and reject the majority lifestyle in as many ways as
possible. That might require sacrifice - and bravery - but no good
thing every came about easily.
>It is the divisiveness among Amerikan gays that keeps us from acting
>in unity on such strategic dissent..
It's also our fear. Almost all Gay people have been raised
very isolated - we all had to censor ourselves and restrict our
thoughts and feelings. We are too used to censoring ourselves. We
need to find unity - to create community - to stand up for ourselves.
As you say, violence is not the answer, but we can do
psychological violence against the status quo without resorting to
physical violence - merely by being ourselves and stop living in fear.
I agree with you! Each of us can do something, some of
us can do much more - and we all need to do what we can. And one
person can change the world.
John
John A. Leopard
(snip)
>My handle name states clearly who I am.
>
>I am a Kinsey six gay and a separatist one,and I do not repent.Look for
>converts to the hetro breeding pattern elsewhere.
I am also a Kinsey six and proud of it. I am not a
separatist, however, I believe that Gay people can and should create
their own community alongside the majority community and force the
majority community to accept us just as other minorities (ethnic,
cultural and religious) have done.
I have nothing against bisexuals, it's just not for me and
never will be.
John
ital...@hotmail.com
> [...} We gays should scrap any notion of individual salvation and
> have our own state and in that state our own secular religion.
Hey! I totally agree with your thoughts about secession, and creation of a
homosexual state.
Gathering of our brothers and sisters in one geographically concentrated
location probably won't pose any insurmountable challenges.
I'm confident we could maintain the required state of hypervigilance to
defend our new state's water, air, and food supplies from quick-acting
biotoxic agents such as anthrax, ebola, botulinum toxin, and other
disease-causing pathogens. Those breeders would just jump at the chance to
eradicate a large gay population.
Likewise, we could patrol our borders and defend our airspace to keep
breeders out. We'll establish a process to screen out 'undesirables' when
granting temporary visas. We'll also need a method to certify homosexuals for
citizenship in our new homeland. I'd be willing to do my part by processing
all males between 18 and 25!
With hard work and dedication, our citizens could eventually free themselves
of the horrible side-effects of interacting with breeders for so many
centuries! We could cleanse ourselves in two generations, max!
I'm stoked! When can we start?
--
Steve Giammarco
ital...@hotmail.com
Ezekiel Krahlin
>> I seriously hope you intend on achieving this goal in MUCH more peacful
>> terms that Ezekiel.
>
>At least Ezekiel has not fallen to the level of suggesting us,as you
>Petrasek did today on this thread,to act towards each other as informants
>of the foreign hetro authorities.
I'd rather have my tongue cut out, than use it to turn in a gay
brother to het Nazis. Or, in the case of keyboard communication, have
my fingers broken.
Ezekiel Krahlin
>Honestly now... Do you think it really matters if I've planted the seed of
>doubt in the minds of those who read your crap?
You give yourself too much credit.
>If you guys weren't so funny, I'd hafta feel sad and take pity on you. But I
>must admit I get the biggest kick outta reading about your escapades.
Humor is part of my strategy. But be careful...about the sanctity of
the gay spirit, I am deadly serious.
I'm not upset by your oppositional views. The only people I rebut
with much effort, are the truly homophobic, or those queer sellouts
who go overboard in their attempts to sabotage people like myself,
Kingsix, Tom Keske, and a number of other gays with aggressive (not
necessarily violent) policies.
Consider me as someone around to help, JUST IN CASE I am right, and
you are wrong. I'd rather live out my life regarded as a nut case,
than for any of my predictions to come true. But JUST IN CASE some of
these worst scenarious play out, remember what I have taught you,
through my Usenet articles...for in times of war, communication among
allies may be difficult, if not outright impossible.
I will get funnier and funnier with my articles as time passes...but
in all of them will be lessons to remember, should the time ever come
to draw upon the resources I gratuitously offer, and dedicate, to our
worldwide Thracian/Lesbian family. By making my writings funny and
outrageous, they are memorable.
And speaking of Tom Keske...he's a damn good writer for the gay cause.
I just read his latest, excellent essay posted today in
alt.politics.homosexuality, called : "CONGRESS IS A MESS".
Do you think he's too extreme for your tastes, too?
Ezekiel Krahlin
>I don't see the Christian right as being as powerful as they think they are.
I have ready your entire article, and very much appreciate your clear
headed views in this matter. I have no argument with you, for I am not
in this to prove myself right for selfish ego gratifications. I do
hope you are right, as I'd love to finally have the tables turned, for
once and all. I deserve it. We all (gays) deserve it.
But we are also in danger of things not going our way...and they are
in many important ways, which I have already brought up. I am
operating from that perspective, with a will to empower gays to rise
up and claim their own sanctity among the human race...without waiting
for heterosexuals to decide to do this; whenever that will be, IF it
will be. I will do my best, through my own abilities, to help ensure
that your heart warming conclusions will all come true ASAP.
I just have this one disagreement with you: I believe it is
dangerously premature to lull ourselves into complacency at this time.
Ezekiel Krahlin
>If you guys weren't so funny, I'd hafta feel sad and take pity on you. But I
>must admit I get the biggest kick outta reading about your escapades.
Here's another example of a ridiculous, hilarious proclamation, with
more serious underlying intentions:
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Permission granted by author for anyone to distribute this
writing free of charge (including translation into any
language)...under condition that no profit is made therefrom,
and that it remain intact and complete, including title and
credit to the original author.
Ezekiel J. Krahlin
ezek...@iname.com
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THE BLUE ROSE MILITIA (world's first *queer* militia)
copyright 1997 by Ezekiel J. Krahlin
(Jehovah's Queer Witness)
(Note: The word "Thracian" is used throughout this manifesto,
as an empowering adjective intended to replace the word "Gay
Male". Likewise for "Hellenic" and "Hellene" to replace "Gay"
in general, as in "Gay Community". Credit for the idea of
"Hellenic" goes to Fireweaver, an Internet friend.)
Founded December 1, 1996 by Hellenic Rights activist
Ezekiel Krahlin (formerly Gene Catalano), The Blue Rose
Militia is a ParaNormalMilitary organization dedicated to the
defense of homosexual civil rights within the borders of the
United States Of America. It seeks to establish Northern
California as a safe haven for the homosexual populace and its
refugees...via new and inviolable federal and state laws, or
through secession and formation of a new nation. The Militia
is a loosely bound federation of community clusters throughout
the nation, whose leadership is entrusted to the inspiration
of each local group. This new alliance is born of outraged
response to President Clinton's signing of the notorious
"Defense Of Marriage Act."
The Blue Rose Militia encourages all Thracians and
Lesbians, their heterosexual supporters--and other
non-heterosexist types--to bear arms at all times, in order to
protect one's self and one's friends, from the outrageous
brutality of a homophobic populace. The Militia implores its
advocates to carry pepper spray as a minimal deterrent from
violent attacks...and supports the legal acquisition of more
serious arms for the sake of self defense.
While The Militia does encourage members and sympathizers
to bear arms, to a greater degree it supports the application
of creative genius to achieve its goals of homosexual
liberation.
To become a member: apply the emblem of a blue rose to a
camouflage jacket--wear this jacket for one full day--and you
become a member. This simple gesture indicates your sincerity
to help the cause of homosexual civil rights... and will link
your spirit to the telepathic network that is The Blue Rose
Militia. You will then--through dreams, ideas, or psychic
signals--receive inspirations to perform actions that further
Lesbian/Thracian liberation. You will also be showered with a
thousand blessings of gratitude by the angelic forces...but
that is merely frosting on the cake (or "wings on the
toaster," so to speak). Please note that if you do not
believe in angels or psychic forces, you are still welcome to
contribute your own actions to the cause. The Blue Rose
Militia respects all religions and world views--including
atheistic and agnostic perceptions--and will never reject
anyone on grounds of personal beliefs...except those that
preach malicious intent to harm others (such as Satanic,
terrorist, bible-thumping, pedophiliac, or hard drug cults).
Create your own blue rose patch on a circle of scrap
cloth two to three inches in diameter, and paint, draw, or
embroider the rose. (Or find a patch with a rose design, and
color the rose blue.) Attach to jacket with velcro or safety
pin. Or find an old political button--paint a blue rose over
the original design--and pin it on. Any other method to create
a blue rose logo is acceptable. The ideal design for the logo
is: a single sky-blue rose with lime-green stem and two
leaves, on a wine-red background. Blue stands for loyalty,
red for life force, and green for healing powers.
None of the inspirations you receive will violate your
own values and beliefs, or interfere in any significant way
with your vocation or personal relations...unless you
specifically desire to live out a more wild and free-spirited
adventure. Examples of inspired actions: financial donation
to a Hellene group, speaking out against a homophobic slur,
reading an informative book on homosexuality, freely copying
and distributing this Blue Rose Militia bulletin, reaching out
to a homosexual acquaintance, writing a letter to a newspaper,
wearing a homo-supportive T-shirt, calling a radio talk show,
participating in a pro-homosexual demonstration, attaching
pro-gay stickers to outgoing mail, or even starting or joining
an auxiliary Blue Rose Militia in your own neighborhood. You
may even have a special calling above and beyond the examples
herein...in such a case, let your conscience be your guide. I
give no further examples, in order that your inspiration may
remain unfettered, and your imagination soar!
The Blue Rose Militia places absolute trust into the
hands of anyone so inspired...and requires no report from any
member, or conferral, before he or she takes action. Should a
member choose to confer with another, that is fine...and for
that reason local groups may be formed and dissolved in
spontaneous fashion, without first consulting the founder or
its headquarters. Wear the blue rose logo anywhere on your
person, backpack, briefcase, or purse (camouflage jacket is
optional after the first time worn). In this manner, you will
meet other members who recognize the emblem.
-----finis
Ezekiel Krahlin
>I'm stoked! When can we start?
Place a blue rose patch somewhere on your jacket or backpack, and
you're in.
Ezekiel Krahlin
Leopard) wrote:
> I read what Ezekiel wrote and agree with him. He's not
>advocating physical violence - only that Gay people stand up for
>ourselves - and fight back where it is necessary. That is exactly
>what was necessary to end the Vietnam War and to end racial
>discrimination in the South, etc.. It's great to read someone who
>still cares strongly....
This is too good to be true. You're probably already spoken for.
<sigh>
Ezekiel Krahlin
Leopard) wrote:
>I believe that Gay people can and should create
>their own community alongside the majority community and force the
>majority community to accept us
Use force? I like that.
>just as other minorities (ethnic, cultural and religious) have done.
In some cases, force was use, as in the Watts Riot, in others it was a
slow grueling process to acceptance. We were not last in line, but we
keep getting put there. I believe that force is the way to go.
> I have nothing against bisexuals,
I do: a brick wall. At least when it comes to the *political aspect.
Bill Long
Leopard) wrote:
> I read what Ezekiel wrote and agree with him. He's not
>advocating physical violence - only that Gay people stand up for
>ourselves - and fight back where it is necessary. That is exactly
>what was necessary to end the Vietnam War and to end racial
>discrimination in the South, etc.. It's great to read someone who
>still cares strongly....
Ezekiel speaks what should be on every gays mind when told about
'following the system'.
You see it works like this. We in San Francisco followed the
system. We go a state attorny general to look at the bribes
necesssary to keep a gay bar open. He took it to court and
won...several high ranking police officals were jailed. The out come
of that was every gay bar listed in the court action was closed by the
lic. board. Next step, every council person was elected in city wide
elections so that the political machines could call the tune.
The gays worked very hard to get each council member elected from a
district. We were successful in that. Then we elected a gay
councilman and a nongay basher Mayor. We had worked with in the
system. Our enimies then had one of their own xpolice officers murder
both our council man and the Mayor in their offices. He had a trumped
up trial, with a slap on the wrist and let go (they made sure he
committed "suicide" as soon as he was free. We burned city hall and
most police cars that could be found. We had dozens of gays
hospitalized in the process, but I'll tell you what...that got their
attention....Things are much better in San Francisco now. We still
have a long way to go, but we have several gay council persons now and
they haven't dared murder any of them. They found out that pisses us
off and gets the city hall and police cars burned.
The gays of the U S had better know that the RRR is deadly. They
lie,cheat,kill, smile and spout 'love' while they are doing it....They
learned their craft at Hitlers knee, an if the gays here do not want
to end up gassed like the Jews and Homosexuals of Germany...they had
better wake up to what they are up against.
History is a great teacher...it can bring today into focus.
Bill Long
Ezekiel Krahlin
Leopard) wrote:
> I just wish that Gay people could foster a greater sense of
>community. So many Gay men and Lesbians think only of other Gay
>people as potential sex partners, not as their brothers and sisters.
If you could keep composing such excellent articles like these, say,
at the rate of one or two per month...you will benefit many others who
need your kind words and brilliant inspirations. And others will pick
up the candle along with you, with us (me and Kingsix, and some
others recently joined. This includes Bill Long, whose articles you
should make a point of reading.).
>We all need to do more. We need places where our young, our old, our
>sick and our poor can stay without harm or harassment. We need places
>in small towns for Gay people.
My hat is off to you, Mister Leopard, for being the big hearted man
you are. I have absolute confidence of your ability to open the eyes,
ears, and hearts of others...just by your several messages herein.
Even if for some reason we come to ideological blows, I know that you
are the type of human being to continue doing the right thing to the
best of your abilities.
> Our victory will be achieved when two men or two women can
>kiss and hold hands on Main Street - at noon - in the smallest town in
>North America - without fear of even a dirty look from anyone..
No, that's not the final victory. That will only come when straights
pause in admiration before two loving gays, and actually applaud their
companionship, fighting amongst themselves to invite them to their
homes for dinner and an evening out. When this time comes, and come it
will, and I hope to still be alive to see it:
The Castro will become the most sacred place in Amerika. Straight
visitors will shower the streets with flowers and cards of gratitude
and devotion. They will adopt gays who are suffering from disability
or other tragedy, and provide family and hearth where there was none.
The Marines will have a special unit dedicated to adopting a gay buddy
with AIDS (or other illness), and show him the best time of his life,
seeing to it that no one ever messes with him again. (It will be named
in honor of my deceased lover, who was a Marine: "The Randolph Louis
Taylor Marine Relief Team and Marching Little Pony Division".) As a
result, there will be a phenomenal rise of rapid recoveries, even
where all hope seemed lost. The lame shall walk. The blind shall see.
The dying shall revive. I will have answered Randolph's plea to
"please help stop the dying"...at least, as much as humanly possible
for one little soul like me.
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THRENODY
copyright 1997 by Ezekiel J. Krahlin
Please God, don't let Christmas come
Without my Randolph Taylor.
My quest is still a painful one:
Adrift at sea, a lonesome sailor.
I can't believe that he is dead,
His soul bound to the quilt.
(Oh can't this be another man,
Same name, in silver gilt?)
How many years I've walked this path
Of love's devotion on the cross,
Only to echo The Devil's laugh:
"You lost, you lost, you lost!"
I pray, I guess, for miracles,
Each breath a sacred wish:
My heart a candle in the dark,
Or in the deep blue ocean, a single
golden fish!
"Please help stop the dying," was
Randolph's tender plea,
Scrolled across a letter: the first
he sent to me.
But now my sadness falls like rain,
And drowns my joy like a broken toy.
I cannot bear this pain.
I cannot bear not knowing
How you, dear Randolph, are.
(My heart forever glowing, whether
near or far
For a man who gave me everything
And set my course to a star!)
Without you, my dear Randolph,
I have no way to steer.
The waves are crashing 'gainst the prow;
The clouds are tumbling near!
I yearn for you my chipmunk,
My little piece of Heaven.
If my soul were a loaf of bread,
Your kiss would be the leaven.
-----finis
NOW, BACK TO OUR REGULAR SHOW
Imagine having a T-cell count of 8, and being wined and dined by not
just *one gorgeous Marine, but by 12. There you go, arm in arm with
your devoted buddis in uniform, step inside your favorite restaurant
where suddenly 20 customers leave their seats to make room for the
soldiers. Of course, with weapons drawn to challenge their presence,
the wine pours all night, and the food groans on the tables.
And as the evening comes to a close, you don't have to part from your
good buddies. In fact, they wouldn't dare...for a higher power holds
sway of them, greater than their weapons: the power of doing, finally,
the right and decent thing...the fulfillment of the Declaration of
Independence. So you choose who to sleep with tonight, while the other
Marines stand guard at your door.
I am only speaking from the Thracian side. Equivalent provisions shall
be made for our Lesbian community.
Ezekiel Krahlin
Leopard) wrote:
>>We should only provide amenities and all other things that make life
>>so pleasant, for our own kind...and covet our talents as too worthy to
>>rub in the dirt of hetero hoodlums.
<self-snip>
> I'm not sure that every Gay person could achieve this,
>certainly it would not be practical for everyone, but as a Manifesto
>it is excellent. Every Gay person should try to raise the issue -
>stand up for themselves and the enitre Gay community.
I toss out a lot of ideas. Some condemn all of them, because they
don't like one or two, or because they think I go too far with my main
thrust for separatism. You, for one, have taken the time to consider
that maybe my screams for attention is because I truly believe I have
important things to say to the gay community, that I actually think
will do some good. Thanks for listening; you have my respect, even if
you conclude that I am essentially a loose cannon.
> Often small acts can be very useful - and very liberating.
Exactly. I will come up with more ideas that an individual can do
without the resources of a group...both for gays who choose to remain
anonymous, and those out of the closet. I hope you and others join in
this party of ideas. As Kingsix pointed out, there is no reason why we
shouldn't have *fun with our revolution, for isn't that one of the
basic principle we are struggling to win: the right to pursue
happiness...in our own particular gay fashion?
>Those in a position to do more should do more.
Especially those who have nothing to lose by doing so. And there're
plenty of them in key positions who are too selfish to dedicated some
of their spirit to their Hellenic compadres.
>We should not be railroaded into submission -
>and forced into invisibility by our own fear.
Well, most still are, and I can't really blame them. I am thinking of
the vast silent majority of gays spread across our unfair nation in
every small and rural town, hamlet, city and village. Yes, Virginia,
we have our own silent majority. Our queer, urbanized community has
little to offer them...and I have never found much pleasure from the
bars, discos, and other plastique and expensive recreational outlets.
I love hiking, coffehouses, cameraderie, and other inexpensive ways to
enjoy the company of friends and lovers.
> Jean Paul Sartre said that homosexuals are natural
>revolutionaries.
Thanks for the reminder; some of us need it.
> We live in contradiction to the majority lifestyle,
>yet we are members (most of us) of the majority. We need to heighten
>the contradiction and reject the majority lifestyle in as many ways as
>possible.
Hip, hip hooray!
> That might require sacrifice - and bravery - but no good thing every came about easily.
Quite true. But we've already paid in blood and tragedy many times
over, enough freedom for a million lives, a million planets, a million
universes, a million infinities. Where's our reward? Stolen. Each and
every time, stolen by heteros who take our inventions and claim them
as their own: democracy, marriage, medicine, literature, art,
philosophy, theater, and so on.
But what have heteros given the world? Children. That's it. Just
children. But because they play the role of perpetuating the species,
they think they're God's gift to the world, and anyone who can't breed
is so inferior as to justify their decimation and misery. So arrogant,
they even create their own Bible of patriarchal dogma to hang around
our necks like rotting albatross carcasses.
They created their own Bible, so why shouldn't we create ours...a
better Bible, a true celebration of our diversity of world views
including atheistic and agnostic ones.
> As you say, violence is not the answer, but we can do
>psychological violence against the status quo without resorting to
>physical violence - merely by being ourselves and stop living in fear.
Yes, it will fall into place once we really learn to take pride in our
homosexual mystique. If most of us were already there, The Castro
(heart of the "gay mecca") would not be a broken stage of hollow
dreams filled with aging white boys filled with booze and speed,
Instead, the Castro would be a showcase of our pride and diversity:
lesbians and thracians working together to build a great society...of
all colors and beliefs. Lesbian/Thracian street musicians and artists
brightening up our streets. (How come, in our own gay neighborhoods,
we let hetero street hawkers take over our turf? What is this? What
the fuck gives with this shit?) The Castro would then be a remarkable
jewel of human renaissance as an everyday fact of life. Instead of
coming to a gutted out commercial strip with garbage blowing across
the sidewalks and under our shoes...tourists would discover a real
neighborhood of local artisans, shopkeepers, and community
services...and not a single chain store in sight.
> I agree with you! Each of us can do something, some of
>us can do much more - and we all need to do what we can. And one
>person can change the world.
Think of what we could do with more than one! I really enjoyed this
discourse with you, John Leopard (neat surname), and I hope for many
more. You obviously have the potential to inspire other self-effacing
gay souls to take pride and inspiration as to who they really are as
same-sex lovers. Use your talent...it can just make the difference
between us winding up in gas ovens (again), or creating the kind of
utopia that Holland is already working on. There's a whole Usenet out
there for your audience...a global stage as it were. To paraphrase a
somewhat famous author of yore: "All the cyberspace's a stage, and all
the men and women merely netizens."
And speaking of our own bible, I'd like to end with an essay:
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BIRTH OF THE FINAL TESTAMENT
copyright 1997 by Ezekiel J. Krahlin
(Jehovah's Queer Witness)
My web page is the beginning of a vision coming to
fulfillment. It will eventually be renamed "The Final
Testament" or "The Dyke/Faggot Bible". This good book will be
a vast compilation of original writings and graphics...by
anyone who cares to contribute to the positive awareness of
the homosexual spirit. No religious viewpoint will be barred,
including atheism, agnosticism, existentialism, and so on.
Eventually, it will be so large that many collaborators will
contribute one or two megabytes of their own web space, that
chapters may be linked together across the vast Internet
global exchange. The beautiful works contained therein will
shine with dignity, wisdom, and humor...and will touch the
hearts of all people, and slay the beast of homophobia for
once and for all. The vision that led to these realizations
started as a dream two years ago:
I was standing in a medieval monastery, in a room filled
with monks bending over their wooden benches in devoted
concentration to the creation of illuminated manuscript. It
was a most peaceful scene, with warm, golden sunlight passing
through latticed windows. Only the monks also possessed soft,
downy white wings...they were angels! One angel-monk who
stood beside me, nudged me in the direction of the benches,
and said, "Go, and see what they're writing!"
So I approached one of the seated monks and cautiously
peeked over his shoulder. Amid a border of brilliant
gold-leaf and richly colored illuminated manuscript, he was
scrolling this title across the page: "The Little Angel Who
Wouldn't Fly". I gasped and stepped back, said, "Why, that's
my story!"
The Monk looked up from his work and smiled: "Yes, they
are all your stories. You are to write the major part of what
is to become the last and Final Testament for all time."
And that was the end of this lovely dream-vision. Other
visions have shown Hellenic people around the world secretly
gathering my writing to put into this new Bible. And it
would, by then, include contributions by many other Lesbians
and Thracians...up to 70% of the entire contents. I was shown
how one morning I will walk by a bookstore and see this Bible
of my dreams on display, as if by magic...since I didn't have to
lift so much as one little finger to get it published! (Then I
saw another vision, within this vision: rippling across the
world like stacked dominoes, The Final Testament showcased in
every bookstore in every town, hamlet, city and village in the
world.)
Since then, I now realize that my web page is the birth
of this Final Testament...and already, I have two other
contributors besides myself. While I am obviously proud of my
accomplishments--including my future achievements--I am most
proud of being able to provide a space of recognition to those
who have gone without any pats on the back for their talents
and courage.
You take this in whatever way you so choose; I don't
care. But I do know my destiny is to play a major role in the
next series of victories on behalf of Hellenic Rights...via my
writings, art, and eventually, lectures. And many others will
also rise to recognition, like myself. It could even be
you...as I do not pass judgment on anyone.
My web page includes "The Little Angel Who Wouldn't Fly",
as well as other intriguing materials. I am honored to have
such inspirations, and to be able to contribute in such
positive and empowering ways on behalf of all same-sex lovers.
It is a shame that many of my own gay brethren still pick at
me in such mean-spirited manners. However, this will soon
end, as more and more people realize I am not deluded at
all...just incredibly gifted. And I have every intention of
using this gift to the maximum of my abilities...which
includes empowering anyone else, as often as possible, as soon
as possible. I do not see myself as the only one with this
growing awareness, this calling is happening to...and I expect
a wonderful network of kindred souls to rapidly connect via
the Internet at first, then in other ways.
P.S.: What better medium to convey illuminated manuscript,
than light itself, etched onto a computer screen!
-----finis (April 2, 1997)
And, as special treat, I'd like to share with you a discovery of mine:
that someone else has already taken my idea of other gays embellishing
upon my basic concept. S/he never told me, I only managed to stumble
upon it one day. So witness what I believe is the very first page of
our global community project, to create a bible just for us:
http://www.pugzine.com/pug2/found2.html
Ezekiel Krahlin
Leopard) wrote:
>>My historical research is showing me more and more cases where
>>homosexuals are the center of culture of all societies, and when
>>suppressed the society goes barbaric and falls.
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THE EXALTED LAND OF ANDOR
(A Parable For The 21st Century)
copyright 1997 by Ezekiel J. Krahlin
(Jehovah's Queer Witness)
July is the best time of year to visit the Lilliputian
nation of Andor, for they celebrate their Independence Day
(July 1) all month long. The Andorians, descendants of the
Basque people, were separated due to a disagreement over
whether or not to allow AIDS carriers into their territory.
The Basques (located in the Pyrenees Mountains between France
and Spain) aggravated this dilemma by attempting to push all
suspected homosexuals and/or lesbians into the Bay of Biscay.
The entire Andorian populace, totalling just and/or only
144,000 males and/or females, rose to the occasion in defense
of brotherly and/or sisterly love, and beat off and/or creamed
the attacking majority of breeders and/or homophobes. Radio
Free Andor claims that the potential and/or conceivable
casualties and/or victims of both sides withdrew before any
blood and/or other vital fluids could be lost; thus and/or
therefore (and/or hence) making their sudden secession and/or
revolution the first peaceful one in Iberian and/or world
history. Non-Andorian and/or non-Basque tourists who served as
unbiased and/or non-partisan witnesses, claim that the
Andorians and/or "Gay Basque Houses" won because of a clever
and/or Trojan-like strategy to stockpile surplus artillery
and/or munitions in their bulging basquettes and/or chests.
The Andorian cottage and/or village industry is renowned
for its beautiful basquettes and/or chests (traditionally
worked with one of the artisan's left and/or right hands in
his and/or her lap and/or that of the apprentice). Some
historians and/or Krahlinologists claim that this tradition
and/or practice originated from the Lap-landers, who kept
falling into Andorian basquettes and/or chests on their
migration and/or march north, where they could settle and/or
eke a living...without being persecuted for their love of
reindeer and/or packed snow and/or sperm oil. (Another reason
and/or explanation why they were travelling north in the first
Place and/or originally, was because, at one time and/or
another, the European continent and/or land mass tilted and/or
sloped from south to north and/or southeast to northwest
and/or south-southeast to north-northwest, while the
Lap-landers were mounting their sleighs and/or reindeer.)
Since the origin of the Basques remains shrouded and/or
hidden in prehistory and/or before they knew how to write,
likewise and/or also must the roots and/or seed of Andor
remain buried in a misty and/or questionable gap in the annals
and/or bowels of antiquity. A curious note and/or point of
fact in the Andorian Royal and/or Court Archives, is that
Andor never claimed to be ruled and/or governed by a
Queen...though one would tend to raise an eyebrow and/or two
when considering and/or viewing the Royal Wardrobe: a wide
and/or copious variety of expensive furs and/or stoles (said
rationale and/or excuse being: "For the cold, mountainous air
of winter, and/or going to the opera.").
The territory and/or span of Andor is a mere and/or
meager sixty-nine square meters of virgin and/or undefiled
parquet floors (hence the many signs and/or notices:
"Slippery and/or slick when wet")...equal and/or equivalent to
2,716.53 square feet and/or roughly one-half of a square mile.
All Andor-ogenous zones and/or territorial boundaries are
demarcated by straight lines and/or lines of straights (from
which the national pastime and/or recreation, "Slap-and/or-
Pinch-the-Butt-of-a-Border-Guard-and/or-Sentry," arose).
Fortunately and/or thank God Andor's population and/or
citizenry (alias and/or A.K.A. "Andor-oids") numbers and/or is
about 144,000...and housing for each one/or every Andorian was
easily accommodated and/or provided by the erection of one
grand and/or luxurious condominium complex and/or hotel...with
53 restaurants and/or cafes, 192 bars and/or lounges, 18,422
vibrating Greek statues and/or sculptures and/or busts, 271
dog-grooming emporiums, 422 barber shops and/or hair-styling
salons, 6,001 paraphernalia and/or sex-toy shops, 310
different flavors of Perrier, and 1 live white unicorn and/or
little silver pony with a horn (free to roam the premises
and/or grounds, often seen and/or merrily splashing and/or
cavorting in the numerous marble fountains and/or spas
overflowing with Aqua Vita and/or divine semen)... to mention
only a few and/or several of the many wonders and/or miracles
that daily and/or every twenty-four hours bless this great
and/or incredible city-state of Andor. This leaves the rest of
the land open and/or available for disco dancing and/or
hopscotch (for which reason and/or purpose the floor tiles are
laid with alternating and/or staggered shades of hot pink
and/or fuchsia and Jet-set black and/or ebony).
Andor's national flag was inspired and/or stolen from the
flag of America and/or the U.S.A. and/or U.S. of A., in that
it, too and/or also, has thirteen and/or 7-plus-6 alternating
red and white stripes and/or bars, with a large, dark and/or
navy blue patch in the upper right (and/or left, depending on
which way you view it) corner. Only instead of 50 stars
and/or pentagrams, Andor's flag proudly and/or snobbishly
displays 50 white and/or Pink Princess phones...the exact
number and/or amount of telephones required for each Andorian
residence, per their Declaration and/or Manifesto of
IndePendence and/or Liberty and/or Freedom and/or Fun.
But and/or however, on one side of the bottommost and/or
lowest stripe, are these inspiring and/or rousing words:
DIAL NOW AND/OR LATER GUYS ARE WAITING
On the other side are the equivalent and/or similar words
for dykes:
DIAL NOW AND/OR LATER GALS ARE WAITING
We hope, on your way and/or trip from one great and/or
famous European and/or world capitol to another, that you do
find and/or discover the time and/or inclination to visit
and/or reside in the first new nation and/or state to be born
of the New and/or Aquarian Age: ANDOR and/or NUGREECE. Visa
and/or Mastercard are welcome; as are the currencies of Spain,
France, and/or Monopoly. Andor's own currency depicts and/or
shows a circle of unicorns dancing around the motto and/or
slogan: "E. Pluribus UnICORNum," and a portrait of the first
horse to land on the moon: "Captain Randy Seabiscuit and/or
Soupcracker."
Statuettes and/or miniature dolls of Captain
Randy seabiscuit and/or Soupcracker are
available in any of Andor's 78 souvenir
and/or gift shops...with and/or without
accessories and/or appurtenances such as:
golden bridle and/or harness, four-legged
equestrian and/or horsy spacesuit, bail of
hay and/or bag of oats, groats, and/or love
notes, space capsule "Mr. Ed I", and his
sidekick "Little Pony and/or Buddy" with
and/or without plastic raincoat and/or
moonglasses.
Engraved and/or etched with neon pink and/or lime green
and/or metallic and/or bright silver, Andorian and/or NuGreek
currency is not only a delight and/or pleasure to spend, but
makes great decorations and/or ornamentation for wedding cakes
and/or honeymoon-suite wallpaper and/or bow ties.
-----the end and/or finis and/or th-th-that's all folks!
kin...@my-dejanews.com
jale...@mindspring.com wrote:
> I have nothing against bisexuals, it's just not for me and
> never will be.
I do not think that there is anything *personal* in skirmishes or conflicts
between representatives of various sexual orientations.
Any difficulty we may experience in our relations with hets or with other
sexual minorities is in my view due to a conflict between divergent
collective interests and values.
We have not much choice as individuals and temporary entities but to
defend some collective and timeless value.Ours is same-sex love.If we do
not do our job properly,history will select someone else to perform it
in our place.
My perception of hets either as friends or ennemies may vary in time and
place.But it cannot change an iota to my impression that they are all
foreigners.
I can perfectly coexist with hets as individuals,and in fact I do.But I
cannot stand their collective values,or their social or state organisation.
Which is why I am a separatist.
tattered
>
> <<If they're not so "bright", then why the hell are they so powerful
> now, and a terrible threat to our freedom and survival? Or is this all
> just an hallucination of our own making?>>
>
> their own Republican party by the thousands. Recent polls among Republicans
> show that only the very far right wing minority of the party cares a lick about
> "morality" issues like homosexuality. I think you will find that if the right
> wing continues to push this morality agenda, they are going to be deeply hurt
> in the coming elections. Polls support that stance.
>
population gets out and votes, they have a *very* good chance of being
as "powerful as they think they are". (The 35% figure came up in a
political discussion a few months ago in another news group and some
people thought that it might even be a little high.) For example, the
Gubernatorial primary race in Texas in March: There are 11,159,845
registered voters in Texas, only about 11% (reps & dems together, not
counting other parties) turned out to vote. (If anyone else wants to
look at their states' voting information a web page is located at:
http://www.leinsdorf.com/secsofstate.htm)
The RRR takes the time to make sure that people in their districts are
registered, then takes the time to make sure the people have
transportation to polling places so they can vote. If less than 35% of
the population of the US is making decisions for 100% of the US, we
all need to get more involved in getting people to the polls.
>
> In other words, loudness doesn't equal real power.
squeeky wheel and all that.
Terry
kin...@my-dejanews.com
"Lion of Jerusalem" <wcha...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> WELL, I GUESS THE LESBIANS COULD HANDLE THAT ASPECT
> OF IT. ARTIFICIAL INSEMINATION WOULD DO THE TRICK. OR
> WE COULD LET SOME BISEXUALS IN JUST TO KEEP IT GOING.
Why put up with breeder`s whims and dictates (not to mention eventual
incompetence) when we could get and *choose* all our human replacements
through immigration ?
Why invest in assisted reproduction facilities beyong perhaps the
experimental level or in rearing when we could reclaim our own human
assets without paying compensation to hetro societies ?
Why not take care first of youngsters of our *own kind* who would succeed
in fleing the hetro regime ?
Mike Silverman
kalk...@aol.com (KALKevin) wrote:
> And I've used this quote before: The dying man cries the loudest. Right wing
> Christian organizations are losing their "holy war," and they know it. So
> they're screaming louder and trying to puff themselves up to look bigger and
> more powerful than they are. When in fact, they are a drop in the bucket when
> compared to the rest of America.
>
> In other words, loudness doesn't equal real power.
A dying animal might be on its way out, but it does a lot of damage in its
death throes. The radical right is no different...they certainly are
trying to take a lot of people with them over the edge.
--
Mike Silverman -- cubsfan at turnleft.com -- Lawrence, KS
http://www.turnleft.com/personal
trent petrasek
> the same, this is war. If we take aggressive actions NOW, we can avert
yeah, if you take aggressive actions now you can be thrown in jail. You
can get 5 years for a misplaced icmp packet nowadays.
> what is likely to become a more violent war...with all the
> conventional traps you define as "real" war.
Well, if some fundamentalists roll out an artillery battalion I'll be
sure to nuke their computers. jeez.
> Amerika
Amerika????? Jesus, learn to spell. The 'c' is on teh OTHER side of the
keyboard.
> is neither civilized, nor an organized body. It is splitting
> at the seams, growing more chaotic with each day. No country is
> civilized which institutionalizes brutality and denial of basic human
> rights to a segment of its people.
institutionalizes brutality? Interesting choice of words, although I
have no clue what you are trying to say by that.
> > "every man/family for
> >his/itself" for physical survival.
>
> Oh, well that's the problem. Every straight man and family is not in a
> condition where he and they must fend for themselves. But that is the
> way with gays: we must daily wake up into a war zone...and the only
> way we can know some peace, is to appear hetero in public arenas, and
> keep our mouths shut. Else our physical survival is immediatly under
> attack.
Um. I don't know about you, but i am very openly gay and not trite about
telling it to people at all. I have NEVER had a physical attack on my
person (I'm damned lucky, *knocks on wood*). Besides, nearly EVERYONE
gets to a fight over something in their lifespan. Hell a mna killed his
brother last week here in Atlanta because of a damned coke can!
> Homophobes aren't living by these laws.
Example?
> What weak laws we have are
> being dismantled quickly.
Example?
> They are being changed, but not in our
> favor. What do you mean "until we can get them changed".
I mean such times (hopefully in the near future) when congress gets
enough people with some common sense to see the flaws in the laws.
> And when is
> that?
Not a clue.
> Do you know?
Why would *I* know?
> How many more days, weeks, months, years, are you
> willing to live under terrorist sanction?
I'm not living under one now, thank you. If that changes you can bet
I'll be pissed.
> If you looked into a crystal
> ball and saw that we'd win equality 20 years from today...would you
> then say, well everything's okay, we can afford to lose another
> million or so before then...and it won't be me, I'm alive in that
> cyrstal ball?
Such country fair magic tricks as a crystal ball are not going to be
able to tell you or me the future.
> >I seriously hope anyone else who sees your suggestions of sabotage
> >report you.
>
> Go ahead, report me. And accept the consequences of your actions. You
> just might gain me a larger audience.
Uh... consequences of my actions? Dude, HELLO... Denial of Service
attacks are illegal!!!
> Would you care to set up a fund to get me asylum in Holland?
I'll pass, thanks, tho.
> ---
> Q. How many heteros does it take to screw in a light bulb?
> A. I don't know, they're still breeding to get enough brains
> for the challenge!
ok, that is supremely lame, and I'm gay.
--
trent petrasek - wolf@*NOSPAM*firewind.net
criminal@EFnet
trent petrasek
I HAD an entire reply to this, but netscape crashed and I lost it. I'll
re-reply to what I can:
> >I seriously doubt any of them have the brain capacity to compile boink.c
> >and run it effectively, let alone set up a machine to run it from.
>
> Who are they?
"They" are the religious right.
> I'm sure out of all the participants in Usenet, is an
> occasional lesbian or gay, with real sharp computer savvy, able to
> assist others with less talent,
There are. You are talking to one.
> to maintain an effective underground
> system of non-violent sabotage.
The very definition of sabotage implies violent, making that entire last
statement an contradict itself it.
> Sure, it's illegal...but so is kissing
> you on the lips.
I dunno what state you live in, but I can kiss anyone I want to, here.
> For your information: the new viruses and bombs coming out are much
> easier to build and disseminate.
Um... easier to build? hardly... they get more complex every day. Now...
easy to compile, hell yesh they are easy to compile.
> We are headed for real cyberwars in
> the very near future.
Only between the idiots that don't know how to protect themselves and
the hacker boys with SPS (Small Penis Syndrome) that insist on attacking
the idiots.
> You don't think the religious right does not
> already have plans under way to sabotage all our gay newsgroups,
It would be literally impossible. Even if they DID manage to 'dis-able'
a newsgroup, there are millions upon billions of combinations of letters
to use in naming a new one.
> as
> well as all known gay organizations and individuals relying on
> computer technology to fight for civil rights?
Now those they can attack... but then again, that's my job is securing
networks against hackers with SPS.
> For you to report me, will place you in an unsavory spot in the annals
> of gay history.
LOL, how so? Thanks for the offer, tho.
> In fact, your very lack of offering me some protection
> already betrays you as a cutthroat.
Oh there's no doubt I'll protect you if you ask, or help you figure out
how to protect your computer, etc. But I refuse to participate or
condoning an attack.
> ---
> Q. How many heteros does it take to screw in a light bulb?
> A. I don't know, they're still breeding to get enough brains
> for the challenge!
> ---
Once again.... lame.
trent petrasek
> Even if they don't have the "brains", they have the "money". And you
> don't have to be very bright to hire the best scientists,
A scientist would never condone such an act.
> sociologists,
A sociologist would REALLY NEVER condone such an act.
> spin doctors,
You can find some freaks that will do anything.
> researchers,
Why would a researcher want to destroy a computer RESOURCE?
> computer hackers and the
Most are gay. Well.... not most....a good percentage, and most the rest
are gay-friendly.
> like...to form a concerted and powerful attack upon gay people and
> their supporters, in many different arenas.
Um..... you obvioulsy know jack shit about Denial of Service attacks.
> And that is precisely what is going on.
If that's what they plan then they know jack Shit about Denial of
Service attacks.
> If they're not so "bright", then why the hell are they so powerful
> now,
Because they teach their children before their children know any better.
...and the cycle continues...
> they're bright enough to go further. You only need a
> handful of bright manipulators, to direct the majority--dumb sheep--to
> obey their bidding.
Its hard to get dumb sheep to install Solaris or Linux or BSDi
Hell I have a hard time doing it sometimes.
AND A NOTE:
Any Denial of Service nukes created for Windows 95 work maybe 10% of the
time... so anything run to attack anything else effectively would have
to be done from a UNIX based system, with one helluva expensive router
and one helluva uplink.
> (United States of Auschwitz).
Damn you get lamer by the minute.
> Q. How many heteros does it take to screw in a light bulb?
> A. I don't know, they're still breeding to get enough brains
> for the challenge!
Its funty cause this comment directly contradicts your paragraph
earlier. If they can compile boink.c I think they can screw in a
lightbulb.
trent petrasek
>
>
> E-mail software flaw leaves PCs vulnerable
> By Matt Beer
> OF THE EXAMINER STAFF
> Wednesday, July 29, 1998
> (c) 1998 San Francisco Examiner
>
> Netscape, Microsoft urge immediate fix
>
> A security flaw found a month ago in several popular e-mail
> programs is shaking up the on-line world.
>
I have only heard of this buffer overflow used once, and that was over 3
months ago, and the long file name name exploit has been known about
since February, there was a brief mention of it in the bugtraq mailing
list and a brief entry on rootshell.com.
If you are patched, it is harmless.
BTW -- they don't tell you exactly how many characters are needed. It IS
a specific number, but the article just says 'over 200.'
trent petrasek
> He was not discussing rebellion, or even defense in violent times. He
> was describing what many gays habitually do, even as complacent slaves
> to bossy heteros: art, science, drama, music, and so on. Now, a
> *rebellious act would be to cease providing our heterocentric culture
> with great pleasures of cultural richness (which hets eventually steal
> from us and claim credit for, anyway). Which is exactly what I believe
> we should do!
I'm sorry, but I'm not giving up my love of art, music and sciences just
to prove a point to the heterosexuals.
> We should only provide amenities and all other things that make life
> so pleasant, for our own kind...and covet our talents as too worthy to
> rub in the dirt of hetero hoodlums.
So you are saying we should be just as selfish as those who would
oppress us?
> Amerika is a society of thugs, a
> John Wayne Gacey type of Bozo of modern civilization. They are brutes
> who squeeze out of us, not just our greatest talents, but our very own
> literal blood, to appease the ravenous appetite of their hetero
> Moloch's lust.
Dude what are you smoking, cause I want some.
> It is the divisiveness among Amerikan gays that keeps us from acting
> in unity on such strategic dissent...and keeps us from using our
> notoriously clever artistry to work into a form of brillaint rejection
> and condemnation of the het regime which owns our balls and ovaries
> along with our souls. But I have faith that we will get it together
> this time--that in fact, it has already begun, and for which I hope I
> made, and am making, some worthy contributions.
No, really.... what ARE you smoking? It has got to be some strong shit.
[snipped psychobabble]
> I believe the French and Polish underground in WWII, the Underground
> Railroad in early Amerika to bring African slaves to freedom, Native
> Americans at Wounded Knee, labor strikers in the 1920's and 30's, and
> the 60's free speech movement of civil disobedience (to name but
> several of many examples)...were all struggles for peaceful
> coexistance by peace-loving people who would otherwise remain totally
> non-violent except for extraordinary circumstances of oppression and
> persecution. They all shed much blood, out of devotion to an ideal.
You keep going on about this peace loving subject but you keep condoning
acts of violence. I vote we try to keep the double standards to a
minimun, please.
> It is these incidents mentioned above, that inspire my concepts of
> democratic ideals and equality for our gay sisters and brothers.
> My terms, when set in the frame of these examples, are indeed
> peaceful.
DOS'ing someone's computer is hardly peaceful. In fact I'd say if you
are willing to DOS a computer that you suffer from SPS, too.
> I am encouraging others to use totally non-violent forms of
> civil disobedience...using this ultra new medium of the Internet, as
> part of our arsenal.
I'll say it once again, ten thousand ICMP packets of 65k of data
flooding a machine is pretty violent. One winnuke is pretty violent. One
boink flood is violent. Any DOS attack is violent, AND illegal. Keep
your double standards to a minimum.
> I am not espousing violence...
*cough* bullshit *cough*
> but I do encourage ways to use
> psychological terrorism to subdue our enemies.
Ooooh Dancing a fine little line on that one.
[snipped examples of discrimination]
> Why you'd be so eager to color me as violent, when this nation is
> infested in every nook and cranny with murderous homophobes who are
> far more deserving of that title...certainly exposes your likely
> affiliations. Would you also regard me as "violent", for encouraging
> gays to bear arms for their own defense, such as pepper spray or a
> licensed weapon?
Not one bit.
> Would you consder me "violent" for refusing to attend
> family weddings until the day when gay marriage is legal--and saying
> so in letters mailed to my relatives?
Not one bit.
> Would you consider me "violent"
> for suggesting aggressive tactics that will protect and defend us from
> voracious homophobes...or at least prolong our lives?
If it causes physical damage or loss of data, etc, then yes, I would
call you violent.
> To accuse me of violence is an attempt to intimidate my efforts
Not an attempt at intimidation, merely an attempt to correct a wrong.
> To accuse me of violence, for proposing actions inspired by our allies
> in WWII, and other peace-loving revolutionaires who often went
> underground to achieve their ends...is like accusing a concentration
> camp prisoner for being "violent" for hitting a guard on the head with
> a hammer, in order to escape.
Question: how did you get your violent idea from a peace-loving
revolutionary?
trent petrasek
> As you say, violence is not the answer, but we can do
> psychological violence against the status quo without resorting to
> physical violence - merely by being ourselves and stop living in fear.
I hope you realize that the actions he is condoning (the brutal attack
of computers on the internet) is very much an act of violence, and is
punishable by law.
trent petrasek
>
> In article <35C1764F.17513661@-NOSPAM-firewind.net>,
> trent petrasek <wolf@-NOSPAM-firewind.net> wrote:
> > John A. Leopard wrote:
> >
> > > What we must do (as you say) is show the world that we ARE
> > > diferent, that we are "naturally" homosexual. Not sick, not sinful,
> > > not perverted. We create the best parts of the society in which the
> > > heterosexuals breed. We form the center and the borders of 20th
> > > century culture and will continue to do so forever.
> >
> > terms that Ezekiel.
>
> At least Ezekiel has not fallen to the level of suggesting us,as you
> Petrasek did today on this thread,to act towards each other as informants
> of the foreign hetro authorities.
Dear sir, you are separating gays and heteros so much that there is a
mile wide gap between the two, insisting that all authorities are hetero
run, insiting that anything I do or request of someone else would be the
demise of the entire gay culture. Believe you me, I have BEEN the
recipient of attacks similar to what he describe and believe you me, my
logfiles were promptly send to that person's uplink and their account
was promptly deactivated. Internet Providers don't want the hassle of
having such a person on their network and if they get one complaint
about it, whether it be gay or hetero related, they will turn off the
account, hands down. You are assuming (for some fucked up reason which I
have yet to determine) that everything besides what is in your own
little world is run by heterosexuals and that all those heteros out
there are out to get you. Sit down, Chill out, have some dip.... its not
quite like that.
Calling me and anyone else who would report any illegal acts like that
an 'informant' reeks of the euphimistic language used in this country
today. For one thing, if the person receiving the attack has any brains
at all, you can bet that if you attack them, tomorow you'll be looking
for another ISP.
trent petrasek
>
> >I seriously hope you intend on achieving this goal in MUCH more peacful
> >terms that Ezekiel.
>
> advocating physical violence - only that Gay people stand up for
> ourselves - and fight back where it is necessary. That is exactly
> what was necessary to end the Vietnam War and to end racial
> discrimination in the South, etc.. It's great to read someone who
> still cares strongly....
I agree with the ideals he has voiced, yet I do not agree with condoning
acts of violence such as he has suggested.
Destroying the personal property of others is quite violent, no matter
what mask you try to cover it up with.
trent petrasek
> >Honestly now... Do you think it really matters if I've planted the seed of
> >doubt in the minds of those who read your crap?
>
> You give yourself too much credit.
Not more than you give yourself.
> >If you guys weren't so funny, I'd hafta feel sad and take pity on you. But I
> >must admit I get the biggest kick outta reading about your escapades.
>
> Humor is part of my strategy.
Lame humor at that.
> Consider me as someone around to help,
I wouldn't ask you for help if you were the only human left.
> JUST IN CASE I am right, and
> you are wrong.
What's he got to be wrong about?
> I'd rather live out my life regarded as a nut case,
> than for any of my predictions to come true. But JUST IN CASE some of
> these worst scenarious play out, remember what I have taught you,
> through my Usenet articles...for in times of war, communication among
> allies may be difficult, if not outright impossible.
Dude... this isn't a freaking battlefield where our 'enemies' can cut
our lines of 'communication' and use 'artillery' to run us out of house
and home and into 'trenches' in teh earth where we spend years
'fighting' with assault rifles and rocks, hoping to push the 'enemy'
back past their own 'border.'
> I will get funnier and funnier with my articles as time passes...but
Spare me.
> in all of them will be lessons to remember, should the time ever come
> to draw upon the resources I gratuitously offer, and dedicate, to our
> worldwide Thracian/Lesbian family. By making my writings funny and
> outrageous, they are memorable.
I only remember it because I almost choked on my own puke.
[...]
trent petrasek
>
> In article <35bbbaa6...@nntp.sj.bigger.net>, Kin...@iname.com wrote:
>
> > [...} We gays should scrap any notion of individual salvation and
> > have our own state and in that state our own secular religion.
>
> Hey! I totally agree with your thoughts about secession, and creation of a
> homosexual state.
>
> Gathering of our brothers and sisters in one geographically concentrated
> location probably won't pose any insurmountable challenges.
>
> I'm confident we could maintain the required state of hypervigilance to
> defend our new state's water, air, and food supplies from quick-acting
> biotoxic agents such as anthrax, ebola, botulinum toxin, and other
> disease-causing pathogens. Those breeders would just jump at the chance to
> eradicate a large gay population.
>
HAHAHAHAHAHA, ok NOW I am Laughing my ass off, good one Steve =)
But suppose one of those 'nasty het nazi' countries wants to Nuke the
fuck out of the poor little island that we all wind up on?
*pewf*
dead faggots.
trent petrasek
>
> The very definition of sabotage implies violent, making that entire last
> statement an contradict itself it.
>
Sorry.... its a bad english day for me. This should read:
The very definition of sabotage implies violence, making that entire
last statement a contradiction to itself.
kin...@my-dejanews.com
trent petrasek <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> Calling me and anyone else who would report any illegal acts like that
> an 'informant' [...]
You have it wrong my good friend: there is no such thing as hetro legality
or law.
There is to be sure an obvious hetro political will embodied into certain
formal texts.Some people,whose allegiances are not especially difficult to
assess nor their probable and treasonnable reactions particularly
complicated to predict,alledge that such texts either are laws or embody
legality.But this is merely an exercise in psycological domination.
The hetro general will,insofar as we can translate it into a general
formula,could be summed up in a phrase like "We hets want the whole
mankind down to the last individual to be and remain our cultural as well
as our political property".Each living gay,that is each one who does not
suggess that we should act towards one another as informants of some
foreign authority taking its orders from hetro breeders,colonists and
occupiers,is a resounding *NO* to that preposterous claim.
Ezekiel Krahlin
wrote:
>But suppose one of those 'nasty het nazi' countries wants to Nuke the
>fuck out of the poor little island that we all wind up on?
I'm glad you have such faith in human nature at large. Should some
sort of secession ever occur, it will be with the support and
protection of international organizations, including a global police
force. Being our own country, would have the immediate result of
nullifying Amerika's discrimination and persecution of its own gay
citizens...assuming said citizens are no longer around to persecute,
but instead, in their new-found country.
Your immediate assumption that we would be quickly destroyed, only
reveals your real feelings toward our heterocentric societies. (And
if you feel that way, all the more recession to have separatist goals
as part of your struggle for gay liberation.) You are not as
supportive of our present system as you might claim...as you did
suggest working diligently within the system. If you believe we'd be
destroyed as our own nation...then you likely believe we will
eventually be destroyed as part of one. San Francisco is presently
under serious attack. As well as across every town, hamlet and burg,
whose self-made hetero pig vigilantes shall see to it that no
homosexual shall live and get away with it.
---
Q. How many heteros does it take to screw in a light bulb?
A. I don't know, they're still breeding to get enough brains
for the challenge!
Ezekiel Krahlin
wrote:
>Dude... this isn't a freaking battlefield where our 'enemies' can cut
>our lines of 'communication' and use 'artillery' to run us out of house
>and home and into 'trenches' in teh earth where we spend years
>'fighting' with assault rifles and rocks, hoping to push the 'enemy'
>back past their own 'border.'
Yes it is. We are constantly being sabotaged from living our lives in
peace and happiness. Our lines of communcation are constantly
sabotaged. If we hold hands or kiss, we are likely to be villified at
best, murdered at worst. We can be fired from our job, or refused
hire. We can be bashed to a pulp in our high schools.
Our system is intinscially structured to cut down homosexuals. We are
constantly being run out of house and home, or terrorized or
fire-bombed for remaining in it. Whenever we step out in public, we
are in the trenches, in the firing line. The assault rifles and rocks
we fight with are mostly metaphorical, but nonetheless weapons of
defense. I am encouraging gays to take more of the offensive stand,
and push back...by suggesting more aggressive tactics...including even
bearing a bona fide honest to god *weapon, such as pepper spray or
some other legal device of self defense.
>I only remember it because I almost choked on my own puke.
But at least you'll remember...and that's the important thing.
Apparantly, you have this gag reflex in response to gays considering
aggressive aspects of civil dissent. Yet you don't seem to gag over
the religous right's unholy persecution of gay people!
Ezekiel Krahlin
wrote:
>I agree with the ideals he has voiced, yet I do not agree with condoning
>acts of violence such as he has suggested.
Your definition of violence includes the dismantling or destruction of
inanimate materials. If you can't distinguish such action from
mangling and bludgeoning and mudering bona fide human beings...then I
am afraid you are not addressing the real issues of a civil war
between pro-gays and homophobes, which is under way.
>Destroying the personal property of others is quite violent, no matter
>what mask you try to cover it up with.
Then I guess you strongly disapprove of the Boston Tea Party? Or
burning the Amerikan flag?
I didn't say much about personal property...I was speaking of the
property of organizations dedicated to annihilating gay people from
Amerika. (By the way, I use "k" to symbolize my disgust with my own
country...for I cannot respect any nation that persecutes
homosexuals.) However, your reverence to property is a standard tact
of our system, to punish people...as in "Possession is nine-tenths of
the law". Property and material goods are prized more highly in our
society, than human beings...a society that not long ago, requred you
to own land in order to vote.
We still oblige the medieval system of "landlord" and "tenant", and
oppress poor people, by treating them as part of the property (movable
and disposable)...instead of regarding rental as a consumer service
provide by an "owner" to a "renter"...and part of said service should
be providing a decent habitation for the renter's comfort. Denial of
housing should never be used in the case of the poor.
It is those decadently materialistic people who scream "violence"
whenever property is destroyed, even though not one living thing was
injured. We are entering a phase of civil war, where plans of sabotage
may be necessary for our survival. There are ways to effectively
sabotage the enemy, without doing any physical harm to human beings or
any other life.
We, as gays, are constantly sabotaged from participating in society in
productive ways...yet because this sabotage has been
institutionalized, we tend to accept it. We are inured to the very
persecution that daily condemns and marginalizes us. Sabotage of gay
people is the rule of the day...and the only way to win our struggles,
is to become sophisticated in methods of sabotage. Illegal or not, I'm
going to say this anyway. Our society has made "illegal" many natural
and harmless human actions...including same-sex love. It is also
"illegal" for a poor person who runs out of money, to remain in her
home or apartment...yet it is legal to toss her onto the streets with
no concern for her survival.
I have met many gays who likewise value their possessions over the
greater cause for our civil rights. This is nothing new; it's just
disgusting.
--------------------------------------------------------------
Permission granted by author for anyone to distribute this
writing free of charge (including translation into any
language)...under condition that no profit is made therefrom,
and that it remain intact and complete, including title and
credit to the original author.
Ezekiel J. Krahlin
ezek...@iname.com
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BURN FLAGS, NOT FAGS
copyright 1997 by Ezekiel J. Krahlin
(Jehovah's Queer Witness)
October 12, 1989
Dear Editor:
Here is my burning response to Andrew Murray's letter,
"Stop Burning Flags," (S.F. Sentinel, October 12):
Andrew: The United States of America has always been a
violently homophobic society...where even murder is justified
in the name of God and the law. (Homophobia, plain and
simple, is a virulent form of madness.) Burning the flag is a
form of peaceful demonstration, to express the failure of our
society to end its barbaric cruelty towards those citizens who
choose to love partners of the same sex. What if someone
murdered your girlfriend, and the courts did not prosecute the
criminal? And you were helpless to do anything, except burn
her/his pictures in the newspapers? Well, what better
"picture" for gays to burn, than the American flag...for it
represents not just one murderer, but millions!
Big deal, so they burned a flag...it is only a symbol,
not a human being. Lesbians and gays are trying every way
possible to defend our rights in non-violent ways. But if
pushed into a corner, with violent retaliation the only means
of saving one's life, then of course violence is dictated as
the final resort. This is a basic natural law...and human
beings are no exception.
You made it quite clear that you are "straight," in the
opening line of your letter (quote): "As I scootered home
from work last (Saturday) night, I stopped to see my
girlfriend in the Castro and heard about the previous night's
gestapo action...etc."
Well, I have noticed a new wave of "heteros" proclaiming
support of lesbians/gays, and claiming to lay down their
lives, if necessary, to defend us. Yet when getting close to
some of these people, I discover very bigoted, violent
viewpoints towards homosexuals and other persecuted groups.
This includes the new influx of hustlers, who claim to be
powerfully pro-gay (and potential partners), in order to win
the trust of their victims.
Andrew, you really seem to have no genuine feelings of
compassion towards the homophile community, for you
immediately jumped to the other side of the fence, just
because you witnessed some protestors burning a piece of
cloth--which symbols you revere far more than human souls.
Your letter merely perpetuates homophobia, for it encourages
further outrage against our struggling lesbian/gay
community...all in the name of "Old Glory" (or should I say
"Old Gory").
The attempt to criminalize the burning of our nation's
flag is supported by those groups most hateful of
homosexuality: Christian fundamentalists, Nazis, and
Right-wing Republicans (to name a few...all of which are
interconnected one way or another). In a very sick kind of
way, Andrew, you perpetuate a time-dishonored tradition of the
land of the "free."
I don't like you one bit, Andrew; and I hope never to
meet you. I feel so sorry for your girlfriend, for I'm sure
she is a victim of whatever other bigotry you espouse...and
may God help any children you breed as a result of your
pathetic need to prove yourself a "man."
I encourage all truly pro-lesbian/gay supporters to wear
a well-burnt American flag somewhere on their jackets and
shirts...as I have started doing today. We strive towards
true democracy, an ideal which has yet to fulfill itself...but
which, I believe, will be achieved in the 1990's, by the
revolutionary actions of a more-united, burgeoning lesbian/gay
community, in conjunction with American Indians, Blacks, The
Homeless, and other long-suffering minorities.
As a final note, I want to express deepest gratitude to
those heterosexuals who really do care about lesbians and
gays, and put their words to action.
-----finis
Ezekiel Krahlin
wrote:
>Dear sir, you are separating gays and heteros so much that there is a
>mile wide gap between the two, insisting that all authorities are hetero
>run,
Our separation was declared by heteros long ago, and we gays are not
to blame. Enough is enough, and I for one, don't want to "make up"
with Amerika, even if it should begin to oblige gay people. Too
little, too late. They can't bring back my friends and lovers who were
crushed under the thumb of gay-hateful institutions. I would have
nothing to do whatsoever, towards contributing anything productive to
my country...other than encouraging gays to more aggressive dissent,
and eventual secession of our people.
All authorities in Amerika (and lot of other nations) are indeed
hetero run. Who are you fooling, other than yourself?
>Believe you me, I have BEEN the
>recipient of attacks similar to what he describe and believe you me, my
>logfiles were promptly send to that person's uplink and their account
>was promptly deactivated.
That's a minor, relatively mild attack in the scheme of things, when
compared against the genuine brutality worked on gays each and every
day. San Fransico is now under attack by our own Federal goverment,
including more democrats than republicans! And for what? Demanding
equal fairness in the workplace, for gays and lesbians, to what
heteros take for granted. This is a dangerous precedent that indicates
the oppression is likely to heat up, even if we win this particular
battle (which is questionable, regardless of all the sooth-saying by
Da Mayor and other pseudo-pro-gay hets).
>Internet Providers don't want the hassle of
>having such a person on their network and if they get one complaint
>about it, whether it be gay or hetero related, they will turn off the
>account, hands down.
Nonsense. All too often, those who run ISPs are homophobes themselves,
and would eagerly censor a gay person, whenever one of their kind
complains...on grounds that queers are perverts, hence polluting the
Internet with pornographic propaganda. In fact, all it will take is to
pass some form of Internet pornography censorship, and all web sites
and newsgroups discussing or even mentioning words like "homosexual",
"gay", and "lesbian" will be sued and stripped from existence.
You have trust in a system that is far from trustworthy. The solid
democracy of the Internet, including Usenet, just does not
exist...especially not for gays. And I believe you really know this;
hence you are attempting to deceive our community about the true
situation: shaky, at best.
>Calling me and anyone else who would report any illegal acts like that
>an 'informant' reeks of the euphimistic language used in this country
>today.
If these "illigal" acts of sabotage are effectively pulled off, you
wouldn't even know where they came from...so who could you report in
the first place? Some fictitious character? Gremlins? Poltergeist?
Leprachauns?
> For one thing, if the person receiving the attack has any brains
>at all, you can bet that if you attack them, tomorow you'll be looking
>for another ISP.
Well, of course if all this is done out in the open, and who is doing
the attack is obvious to all, then that's what would happen. Neither I
nor Kingsix was proposing we resist and dismantle the heterocentric
regime in bold daylight!
Ezekiel Krahlin
<mailto:wycl...@swbell.net> wrote:
>[I trimmed soc.motss from the header because I'm tired of getting e-mail from
>JTEM or whomever.]
He is a self-ordained moderator of soc.motss...and has no right to
intrude on people's personal e-mail. But likewise, you are caving in
to his wishes, but keeping your articles out of soc.motss...and losing
potential dialog as a result. I have put soc.motss back into this
thread. I use the free dejanews e-mail service, as my address for all
my Usenet correspondence. That's because Dejanews has an excellent
twit filter...where you can program any message from dorks like JTEM,
to not only be automatically trashed, but also sent directly back at
him. So I suggest you signup with a free Dejanews account:
>I certainly don't disagree with the expression of anger and self determined
>identity. The Radical Faeries did a nice number in this regard in the 80s,
>people just got tired of dancing naked under the full moon while covered in
>mud and beating on tom-toms at "gatherings" where expectations of majic
>usually just led to jail or commital to the state hospital.
That's why I have little to do with Radical Faeries...as I find their
take on gay lifestyles rather shallow, ineffective, and silly. But
this doesn't mean every movement to gay self-identity and liberation
must obey the stereotype images that heteros maintain about us.
>The thing about identity is that once you become more and more aware of
>constructs and how they effect you, i.e., as you approach "enlightenment,"
>the more you realize there really is no such thing as a "self." It is just a
>socially constructed delusion that we mistakenly perceive as functional.
Well, only God knows what you mean by all this. Then again, maybe She
doesn't either! I just don't buy into that pap that the self, when
enlightened, melds into the universal putty that is the higher self,
identical with God. I do not perceive the universe as a super large
bowl of super-conscious pabulum. I believe that as one grows more
enlightened, one grows even more individualistic...even to the point
of being perceived as "eccentric" by society's sheep. The individual
is nothing, if not the self. And groups are only as strong as how
developed are all its members, that is: its selves. I like Carl Jung's
term for self-awareness: "individuation".
However, it is clear that your statement is one of personal opinion,
and not an absolute truth by any means. Why perceive people as
incorrect for not following your specific religion?
>I would suggest that the more you youngsters
I'm middle aged, as is Kingsix.
>come out of your heads and allow
>yourself the luxury of feelings such as love and compassion, you may surprise
>yourselves and end up in a committed relationship.
I've already experienced some great relationships. One of the reasons
I despise our Amerikan heterocentric system, is because it has also
broken the hearts, spirits, and even lives of many of my friends,
potential friends, lovers and potential lovers. And I do not accept
this as the normal fate of life. Something is seriously wrong with my
country...and I am speaking out against it.
>The next thing that may
>occur to you is that straight people are enjoying the economic and social
>blessings of a long tested social institution - marriage.
Isn't that a load of crap! Seeing as the idea of marriage as lifelong
devotion to each other, was originated by homosexual monks in the
medieval era...then stolen by heteros when then denied us gays
enjoyment of our own social invention...I hardly think sucking up to
heteros as our gods will do anything constructive for gay freedom.
>Then it may occur to you
Well, it does occur to me that you are a big bag of hot gas, with
little understand, if any, of gay circumstances as they presently, and
really, exist in Amerika.
>that no one gives a shit how much you may appear to be "assimilated"
>as long as your will is respected, you get a tax break, your partner is
>covered on your insurance, you can visit him in the hospital, your property
>rights are respected, etc.
The whole history of gay persecution is because hetero-brainwashed
societies do give a shit about our choice of partners...villifying us
as pornographic, perverted, subhuman creatures...and thus making it
not only legal, but godly, to seek us out and torture and murder us.
There is nothing more dramatic and obvious about the gay issue, than
that mainstream Amerika does give a shit about everything gays do.
>There will be plenty of time for the next
>generations to revise, rename and reconstruct the specifically gay
>institution of "partnership," "close relationship," "long time
>companionship," or "a thing for each other."
Sure...plenty of time in their concentration camps to fantasize all
they want. But I think their fantasies will be more about food and
clothing and survival...than about any dreams for building a utopian
queer society. At least, this is where your kind of complacent,
uninformed attitudes will lead us, if most gays are like you.
Ezekiel Krahlin
wrote:
>> Even if they don't have the "brains", they have the "money". And you
>> don't have to be very bright to hire the best scientists,
>
>A scientist would never condone such an act.
I see. Just like no scientist would ever condone creating the atomic
bomb...let alone exploding it without even knowing whether or not it
would create a perpetual chain reaction that would destroy all life.
Just like no scientist would experiment on unaware civilians by
injecting radioactive particles into their bloodstream, or casting
viruses over entire cities to learn new things about biological
warfare.
Just like no doctors in Nazi Germany would never lift a scalpel to
prisoners being used as laboratory guinea pigs for gruesome research
into vivisection and racial purity.
All it takes is a KKKristian-fanatic scientist. If there's even one,
there's a hundred. Like cockroaches.
>> sociologists,
>
>A sociologist would REALLY NEVER condone such an act.
Again, a sociologist who is also KKKristian. You find that hard to
imagine? Well, then, imagine reading a book by a sociologist,
declaring that homosexuality is a perversion...and opening clinics to
"convert" them to heterosexuality. That's social engineering.
>> researchers,
>
>Why would a researcher want to destroy a computer RESOURCE?
If this resource is in the hands of a perceived enemy, there'd be no
question he'd try to destroy it, or claim it for what information can
be used to favor his ideology against those "others". Furthermore,
don't forget that these KKKristian homophobes are downright
psychotic...and since when have you known a psychotic to let his own
well-being get in the way of his twisted goals?
>> computer hackers and the
>
>Most are gay. Well.... not most....a good percentage, and most the rest
>are gay-friendly.
Where do your get these statistics? Most people, around 90%, are
non-gay. Granted, maybe more gays than straights would gravitate to
certain fields, such as computer science. But I see no evidence that
an overwhelming majority of them are homosexual...or even as much as
50%.
>> like...to form a concerted and powerful attack upon gay people and
>> their supporters, in many different arenas.
>
>Um..... you obvioulsy know jack shit about Denial of Service attacks.
I'm not talking about going through official lines of electronic
attack. I'm talking about likely sabotage. And the Internet is
certainly wide open to all sorts of security invasions and subterfuge.
You are painting a cuddly picture for gays on the Internet, that
doesn't exist in real life.
>> If they're not so "bright", then why the hell are they so powerful
>> now,
>
>Because they teach their children before their children know any better.
Then you agree with my point that intelligence isn't everything, to
gain power. One can have lots of moola, instead..to hire those with
the brains you may lack. You now add to this, numbers. So they
outnumber us, *and out-money us. They may come up short on
intelligence, but it only takes a few really smart homophobes to
funnel their wealth into hiring the best researchers, social engineers
and computer scientists, in order to pull off their war against us.
But gays, on a whole, are far more intelligent. I realize that, and
that is precisely why I have begun to encourage our community to
become sharper than our enemies, when it comes to a more aggressive
form of civil dissent than we presently have. We got the brains...they
got the money and numbers. I suggest that you may also lack smarts in
the brain department, by your flawed reasoning which you see as
effective opposition to the proposals of both myself and Kingsix...as
well as other progressive gays in Usenet, such as Tom Keske and Bill
Long.
>> they're bright enough to go further. You only need a
>> handful of bright manipulators, to direct the majority--dumb sheep--to
>> obey their bidding.
>
>Its hard to get dumb sheep to install Solaris or Linux or BSDi
Then you are naive about the capicity for the religious right to
totally cripple our struggle for equality. Unfortunately, being larger
in number, their proportionately lower than average intelligent
members, still winds up far exceeding us when compared in absolute
numbers.
I am sure that in the beginning of Nazi formation, many citizens of
Germany poo-pooed their ideological platform...claiming they were
mostly too stupid to get anywhere beyond the marginal group of
crackpots they presently were. Now, compare this to what we thought
about the religious right in the 1980s...for now in the latter 1990s,
they are far from marginal...and have also influenced many non-RRs to
nevertheless accede to many of their ultraconservative viewpoints.
>Any Denial of Service nukes created for Windows 95 work maybe 10% of the
>time... so anything run to attack anything else effectively would have
>to be done from a UNIX based system, with one helluva expensive router
>and one helluva uplink.
I'm not impressed. Unix or otherwise, it has been publicized time and
time again in mainstream media: the security of the Internet is
greatly compromised under its present arrangements. It takes no
computer expert to understand what this means.
Therefore, I'm not impressed, either, with your knowledge. I am not
comforted that I, as a gay person, will maintain a free voice on the
Internet, our global arena of human discourse.
Ezekiel Krahlin
wrote:
>> *rebellious act would be to cease providing our heterocentric culture
>> with great pleasures of cultural richness (which hets eventually steal
>> from us and claim credit for, anyway). Which is exactly what I believe
>> we should do!
>
>I'm sorry, but I'm not giving up my love of art, music and sciences just
>to prove a point to the heterosexuals.
Most people living in wartime situations, give up most of those
luxuries, for the sake of defending their homes. Seeing as you are
gay, however, you would not likely have to give up any of your
cultural amenities.
>> We should only provide amenities and all other things that make life
>> so pleasant, for our own kind...and covet our talents as too worthy to
>> rub in the dirt of hetero hoodlums.
>
>So you are saying we should be just as selfish as those who would
>oppress us?
You would not be considered selfish for procuring what belongs to
*your culture, not theirs. Especially if they continue to get rich off
our talents, while at the same time persecuting us. Our allies in WWII
confiscated many art treasures from the Nazis...do you think they were
selfish for doing so?
All you are doing is encouraging gays to continue in their subservient
relations to the Ubermesnch of hetero society. Would you say Jews are
selfish for maintaining strong cultural ties with each other across
the globe, and within their own adopted nations? To have that strong
community cohesion, one must "take away" from a larger society, many
of the things that rightly belong to your own people.
>> Amerika is a society of thugs, a
>> John Wayne Gacey type of Bozo of modern civilization. They are brutes
>> who squeeze out of us, not just our greatest talents, but our very own
>> literal blood, to appease the ravenous appetite of their hetero
>> Moloch's lust.
>
>Dude what are you smoking, cause I want some.
The war pipe.
>DOS'ing someone's computer is hardly peaceful. In fact I'd say if you
>are willing to DOS a computer that you suffer from SPS, too.
Just as our espionage tactics against the Nazis in WWII, sabotaged
their radio and other communications systems, raided their offices to
get their files...and other stuff like that...certainly, I am willing
to go undergroud and do just that...against the henchmen of the
religious right, and against anyone else who serves them. Only, I know
of no such underground, or it has not contacted me yet, if ever.
>> but I do encourage ways to use
>> psychological terrorism to subdue our enemies.
>
>Ooooh Dancing a fine little line on that one.
Dancing the fine line is what I propose! It takes real sophistication
and brains to successfully pull off tactics of psycholgical terrorism
without causing harm to life forms. Queer nation, some years back,
used psychological terror as part of their agenda...in very effective
manners. Example: signs posted throughout The Castro saying: "Straight
people, get the fuck out of our neighborhoods." It really made heteros
think twice about what they do to us. I propose bringing back some of
these tactics, that many gays originally thought was going too far. I
believe, now, a lot less do. The idea is to give heteros a real taste
of what it's like to live in terror for one's life, on a regular
basis...to get more of them to back off of their violent attitudes
towards us, and possibly begin to fight on our side.
What do you think of vigilante groups in Texas, who track down a man
who raped one of their women...and kill him? This goes on. In many
cases, there is no real proof left behind to find the suspects. But I
believe the courts don't work very hard on this, and just use that as
an excuse to look the other way.
Why don't we have similar vigilantes tracking down our worst bashers
and doing same? I think we're overdue on this...as we get very little
protection and support from our Amerikan courts. In other words: it is
time we took the law into our own hands, in matters of gay
persecution.
>Question: how did you get your violent idea from a peace-loving
>revolutionary?
Easy...history. It is a rare people who gain whatever civil rights
they demand, without a period of violent conflict. Period. The results
led to greater peace for their people, and many others. The Amerikan
Revolution--to establish a more peaceful society--suffered a bloody
war to found this nation. The Sixties Free Speech Movement also had
many bloody chapters...let us not forget Kent State.
A peace-loving revolutionary always tries to reason with the enemy as
much as is feasibly possible, before resorting to means of sabotage.
We are at that point: means of sabotage are necessary to push back the
religious right dogma.
trent petrasek
> >I'm sorry, but I'm not giving up my love of art, music and sciences just
> >to prove a point to the heterosexuals.
>
> Most people living in wartime situations, give up most of those
> luxuries, for the sake of defending their homes. Seeing as you are
> gay, however, you would not likely have to give up any of your
> cultural amenities.
Then why mention it?
> You would not be considered selfish for procuring what belongs to
> *your culture, not theirs.
The problem with that entire argument is that my culture and thiers
co-exists. They are not two separate cultures, there is not a mile wide
gap between my love of art and the hate monger down the road's love of
art. There is nothing different there. He loves art, I love art. So
what, we hate each other. It is those points of commonality that we need
to use to BRING together people INSTEAD of this shoving them apart as
you propose.
> Especially if they continue to get rich off
> our talents,
Who is getting rich off of who?
> while at the same time persecuting us. Our allies in WWII
> confiscated many art treasures from the Nazis...do you think they were
> selfish for doing so?
*cough* I'll say it again, when you raid someone's country you must
obviously be in a time of war with them. Real war, not this "oh we're at
war here, can't you see?" That is not War. I have never seen true war,
but plenty of my relatives have, and they assure me it is not pretty.
Blowing up some cars and shooting a few bullets is not a real war.
> All you are doing is encouraging gays to continue in their subservient
> relations to the Ubermesnch of hetero society.
I want you to explain to me (again) because I didn't quite get it the
first time, how are we subservient, and what reason do you think we
should cut all ties with the very people that created us (yes, admit it,
you popped out of a pussy, too)?
> Would you say Jews are
> selfish for maintaining strong cultural ties with each other across
> the globe, and within their own adopted nations?
Jews don't try to remove themselves from society, either.... they are an
integral part of it, jsut like everyone else, just like lbgt's ARE and
should STAY.
> To have that strong
> community cohesion, one must "take away" from a larger society, many
> of the things that rightly belong to your own people.
You forget, the Jews 'give back' to the society they live in. They don't
try to sever themselves from it.
> Just as our espionage tactics against the Nazis in WWII, sabotaged
> their radio and other communications systems, raided their offices to
> get their files...and other stuff like that...certainly, I am willing
> to go undergroud and do just that...against the henchmen of the
> religious right, and against anyone else who serves them. Only, I know
> of no such underground, or it has not contacted me yet, if ever.
It hasn't contacted you because it thinks you are nuts.
[snipped terrorism babble]
> What do you think of vigilante groups in Texas, who track down a man
> who raped one of their women...and kill him? This goes on. In many
> cases, there is no real proof left behind to find the suspects. But I
> believe the courts don't work very hard on this, and just use that as
> an excuse to look the other way.
If Trent Lott turned up dead, the RRR is going to point fingers first at
the gays. They will just use it as a catalyst to THEN begin hunting us
down. What you propose will only worsen a situation that is at least
halfway stable.
> A peace-loving revolutionary always tries to reason with the enemy as
> much as is feasibly possible, before resorting to means of sabotage.
> We are at that point: means of sabotage are necessary to push back the
> religious right dogma.
Agreed. The gays resorted to violence first, tho. We already fucked up.
trent petrasek
> Our separation was declared by heteros long ago, and we gays are not
> to blame.
Oh, so the persecuted blacks and all women should come with us then?
Becuase they are (still, in somce cases) in a similar boat. The White
men separated themselves from the black men, you propose doing the same,
only to the het men. The whole concept of melting pot is lost on you,
isn't it.
> Enough is enough, and I for one, don't want to "make up"
> with Amerika, even if it should begin to oblige gay people. Too
> little, too late. They can't bring back my friends and lovers who were
> crushed under the thumb of gay-hateful institutions. I would have
> nothing to do whatsoever, towards contributing anything productive to
> my country...other than encouraging gays to more aggressive dissent,
> and eventual secession of our people.
Oh I see where all of this came from.
> All authorities in Amerika (and lot of other nations) are indeed
> hetero run. Who are you fooling, other than yourself?
*cough* The police chief of my hometown is gay. We almost elected a gay
mayor in my new town. (Almost being he fucked his own campaign up and
the other guy won). Things are not as bleak as you portray.
> That's a minor, relatively mild attack in the scheme of things, when
> compared against the genuine brutality worked on gays each and every
> day.
It was an example of the process. It was not meant to be a general
statement comparing the entire situation.
[snip]
> >Internet Providers don't want the hassle of
> >having such a person on their network and if they get one complaint
> >about it, whether it be gay or hetero related, they will turn off the
> >account, hands down.
>
> Nonsense. All too often, those who run ISPs are homophobes themselves,
Goddamn, dude, do some research. There are more gay run ISP's than any
other gay run business , I do believe. (Someone correct me if I am
wrong).
> and would eagerly censor a gay person,
Why would a business want to censor one of its paying customers?
> whenever one of their kind
> complains...
This reeks of the euphimistic language used in this country today, and
the separatist ideology behind it makes me want to vomit.
> on grounds that queers are perverts, hence polluting the
> Internet with pornographic propaganda.
Those ISPs make big bucks off of promoting that pornographic propoganda.
BIG BUCKS. Porn is where the money is at on the Net.
> In fact, all it will take is to
> pass some form of Internet pornography censorship, and all web sites
> and newsgroups discussing or even mentioning words like "homosexual",
> "gay", and "lesbian" will be sued and stripped from existence.
> You have trust in a system that is far from trustworthy. The solid
> democracy of the Internet, including Usenet, just does not
> exist...especially not for gays.
I do believe that the US is not allowed to censor anything on the
internet.
> And I believe you really know this;
> hence you are attempting to deceive our community about the true
> situation: shaky, at best.
If I knew it why would I be trying to decieve others by saying
everything is ok? Well, everything isn't ok, but its not as bad as you
like to portray. Most of the people on the net with SPS who would deny
me the right to my own words are 15 y/o hackers with nothing better to
do but see if they can hack into my systems.
> If these "illigal" acts of sabotage are effectively pulled off, you
> wouldn't even know where they came from...
Nor would I care where they came from, the entire idea that someone
would stoop as low as those oppressing them to accomplish an end that is
going to get tarnished by the means it was accomplished, makes me want
to vomit.
Did I ever say I was going to report you? No, I did not. Read my words
carefully, and slowly, I do not choose my words with reckless abandon.
> Well, of course if all this is done out in the open, and who is doing
> the attack is obvious to all, then that's what would happen. Neither I
> nor Kingsix was proposing we resist and dismantle the heterocentric
> regime in bold daylight!
Once again, you obviously have no knowledge of the 'nukes' and DOS
attacks you proposed to use against 'het' machines on the internet.
trent petrasek
> Yes it is. We are constantly being sabotaged from living our lives in
> peace and happiness. Our lines of communcation are constantly
> sabotaged.
What lines? We use the same lines as everyone else, they seem to work
fine for me. Do I need to teach you how to use a touch tone fone? Is
that the problem here? Can't pick up the fone and dial because it has a
lot of buttons on it?
[snipped dead war topic]
> including even
> bearing a bona fide honest to god *weapon, such as pepper spray or
> some other legal device of self defense.
Some do, Some don't -- its their choice to make, not yours.
> Apparantly, you have this gag reflex in response to gays considering
> aggressive aspects of civil dissent. Yet you don't seem to gag over
> the religous right's unholy persecution of gay people!
I have a gag reflex when I see puke-inducing words.
I still don't understand why this topic belongs on soc.motss so I
removed it again.
trent petrasek
>
> On Sat, 01 Aug 1998 13:10:23 -0500, trent petrasek <no...@nowhere.com>
> wrote:
>
> >But suppose one of those 'nasty het nazi' countries wants to Nuke the
> >fuck out of the poor little island that we all wind up on?
>
> I'm glad you have such faith in human nature at large. Should some
> sort of secession ever occur, it will be with the support and
> protection of international organizations, including a global police
> force.
A peace force run by hets?
> Your immediate assumption that we would be quickly destroyed, only
> reveals your real feelings toward our heterocentric societies. (And
> if you feel that way, all the more recession to have separatist goals
> as part of your struggle for gay liberation.) You are not as
> supportive of our present system as you might claim...as you did
> suggest working diligently within the system. If you believe we'd be
> destroyed as our own nation...then you likely believe we will
> eventually be destroyed as part of one. San Francisco is presently
> under serious attack. As well as across every town, hamlet and burg,
> whose self-made hetero pig vigilantes shall see to it that no
> homosexual shall live and get away with it.
As I said earlier: Many of your ideals I agree with. Lots of them, even.
The means to get to such ends, however, I do not.
Damn, can you imagine an island full of fags.... WHOA DRAMA!!!!!
heh... anyways....
Gene Ward Smith
>In article <gsmith-3007...@73-83.blazenetme.net>,
> gsm...@blazenetme.net (Gene Ward Smith) wrote:
>> In article <35bae9a1...@nntp.sj.bigger.net>, Kin...@iname.com wrote:
>> >Our current adhesion to homosexuality may depend upon a
>> >variety of factors of a personal nature and I am sure among
>> >the most honourable.But ultimately and at times of
>> >hardships,that adhesion will depend solely upon our political
>> >will,and not upon some mythical gay gene.
>> If you are bisexual, accept it. It's not a reason to become
>> anxious.
>My handle name states clearly who I am.
Wrong. If you must decide to adhere to homosexuality, you are not
a Kinsey six. If you are a Kinsey six, then your "adhesion" to
homosexuality does not depend upon your politcal will and you are
spouting manifest nonsense. Either way, nothing states clearly who
you are, beyond confused.
--
Gene Ward Smith
gsm...@blazenetme.net
trent petrasek
> >Destroying the personal property of others is quite violent, no matter
> >what mask you try to cover it up with.
>
> Then I guess you strongly disapprove of the Boston Tea Party? Or
> burning the Amerikan flag?
Those are acts that accomplished nothing except two things:
1) pissing a lot of people off.
2) enamouring others.
> However, your reverence to property is a standard tact
> of our system, to punish people...as in "Possession is nine-tenths of
> the law". Property and material goods are prized more highly in our
> society, than human beings...a society that not long ago, requred you
> to own land in order to vote.
I worked hard to own the things that I do. Take them away from me or
hurt them in any manner and you can bet I'll be seriously pissed off. My
blood and sweat went into every dollar I made for the last 6 years. That
is worth a lot to me. IE: I *EARNED* it.
> It is those decadently materialistic people who scream "violence"
> whenever property is destroyed, even though not one living thing was
> injured.
Well, yeah, it takes a violent person to want to blow up a car. Harming
the property that another person paid for or owns only pisses them off,
Like that annoying bee that hangs around your front door: you spray his
home with bee killer and he gets pissed and comes after you.
> We are entering a phase of civil war, where plans of sabotage
> may be necessary for our survival. There are ways to effectively
> sabotage the enemy, without doing any physical harm to human beings or
> any other life.
Oh? Like what.
> We, as gays, are constantly sabotaged from participating in society in
> productive ways...yet because this sabotage has been
> institutionalized, we tend to accept it.
Example?
> I have met many gays who likewise value their possessions over the
> greater cause for our civil rights. This is nothing new; it's just
> disgusting.
I feel that I have a right to my own possessions and should there be
something that they are more valuable using than sitting here at home,
then fine. otherwise i am quite comfortable living here at home with my
things that make my home my home. My things are not your things and they
should stay that way. Thank you, drive the fuck through.
[snipped story]
trent petrasek
> >> computer hackers and the
> >
> >Most are gay. Well.... not most....a good percentage, and most the rest
> >are gay-friendly.
>
> Where do your get these statistics? Most people, around 90%, are
> non-gay. Granted, maybe more gays than straights would gravitate to
> certain fields, such as computer science. But I see no evidence that
> an overwhelming majority of them are homosexual...or even as much as
> 50%.
I've been on the net a long time, man. Everyone knows me that is a
someone, and a lot of those are gay. The IRCops that run EFnet? probably
30 or 40% gay... I dunno complete figures, but i would guess at that.
The hackers that abound in channels on IRC such as #linuxwarez etc etc ?
An amazing percentage of them are gay, and the rest know it.
[snip]
> But gays, on a whole, are far more intelligent.
I know there is scientific evidence of this, and I'm not saying we
aren't smarter, but I am saying that you are assuming a lot of things
here that you don't have some of the facts for.
> I suggest that you may also lack smarts in
> the brain department, by your flawed reasoning which you see as
> effective opposition to the proposals of both myself and Kingsix...as
> well as other progressive gays in Usenet, such as Tom Keske and Bill
> Long.
Well that was a round about way of calling me an idiot.
> Then you are naive about the capicity for the religious right to
> totally cripple our struggle for equality. Unfortunately, being larger
> in number, their proportionately lower than average intelligent
> members, still winds up far exceeding us when compared in absolute
> numbers.
I'm sorry, but the argument that more stupid people is better than a few
intelligent people jsut doesn't work, try another.
> I'm not impressed. Unix or otherwise, it has been publicized time and
> time again in mainstream media: the security of the Internet is
> greatly compromised under its present arrangements. It takes no
> computer expert to understand what this means.
That is also the media. I doubt a reporter knows enough about what he
was reporting to spell out the story correctly. Securing parts of the
internet is simple, just a long enduring proccess, one that I deal with
every day.
> Therefore, I'm not impressed, either, with your knowledge. I am not
> comforted that I, as a gay person, will maintain a free voice on the
> Internet, our global arena of human discourse.
It doesn't comfort you that you can speak as freely as you want here?
What?
trent petrasek
there is going to join ranks with the RRR and kill all us fags. That
isn't the case, wake up.
John A. Leopard
>On Sat, 01 Aug 1998 01:53:40 GMT, jale...@mindspring.com (John A.
>Leopard) wrote:
>
>>>We should only provide amenities and all other things that make life
>>>so pleasant, for our own kind...and covet our talents as too worthy to
>>>rub in the dirt of hetero hoodlums.
><self-snip>
>
>> I'm not sure that every Gay person could achieve this,
>>certainly it would not be practical for everyone, but as a Manifesto
>>it is excellent. Every Gay person should try to raise the issue -
>>stand up for themselves and the enitre Gay community.
>
>I toss out a lot of ideas. Some condemn all of them, because they
>don't like one or two, or because they think I go too far with my main
>thrust for separatism. You, for one, have taken the time to consider
>that maybe my screams for attention is because I truly believe I have
>important things to say to the gay community, that I actually think
>will do some good. Thanks for listening; you have my respect, even if
>you conclude that I am essentially a loose cannon.
What I have seen of your writings so far I greatly respect. I
find it unfortunately that there aren't more people who think as you
do. You remind me a great deal of those in the Anti-Vietnam War
movement (of which I took a small, very small, part) and of Harvey
Milk. Please continue!
>> Often small acts can be very useful - and very liberating.
>
>Exactly. I will come up with more ideas that an individual can do
>without the resources of a group...both for gays who choose to remain
>anonymous, and those out of the closet. I hope you and others join in
>this party of ideas. As Kingsix pointed out, there is no reason why we
>shouldn't have *fun with our revolution, for isn't that one of the
>basic principle we are struggling to win: the right to pursue
>happiness...in our own particular gay fashion?
I am involved in several different Gay groups, including a Gay
Legal Group (because I am a lawyer), the HRC and am working on (the
second time in twenty years) starting up a Gay Democractic Group in
Atlanta, Georgia. I think the time has come again for people to get
more involved in politics. The shock of AIDS, the damage it has
caused our community, is beginning to wear off and a LOT of pent-up
issues remain to be addressed.
But I chide myself in not doing more.
>
>>Those in a position to do more should do more.
>
>Especially those who have nothing to lose by doing so. And there're
>plenty of them in key positions who are too selfish to dedicated some
>of their spirit to their Hellenic compadres.
>
>>We should not be railroaded into submission -
>>and forced into invisibility by our own fear.
>
>Well, most still are, and I can't really blame them. I am thinking of
>the vast silent majority of gays spread across our unfair nation in
>every small and rural town, hamlet, city and village. Yes, Virginia,
>we have our own silent majority. Our queer, urbanized community has
>little to offer them...and I have never found much pleasure from the
>bars, discos, and other plastique and expensive recreational outlets.
>I love hiking, coffehouses, cameraderie, and other inexpensive ways to
>enjoy the company of friends and lovers.
>
>> Jean Paul Sartre said that homosexuals are natural
>>revolutionaries.
>
>Thanks for the reminder; some of us need it.
>
>> We live in contradiction to the majority lifestyle,
>>yet we are members (most of us) of the majority. We need to heighten
>>the contradiction and reject the majority lifestyle in as many ways as
>>possible.
>
>Hip, hip hooray!
>
>> That might require sacrifice - and bravery - but no good thing every came about easily.
>
>Quite true. But we've already paid in blood and tragedy many times
>over, enough freedom for a million lives, a million planets, a million
>universes, a million infinities. Where's our reward? Stolen. Each and
>every time, stolen by heteros who take our inventions and claim them
>as their own: democracy, marriage, medicine, literature, art,
>philosophy, theater, and so on.
>
>But what have heteros given the world? Children. That's it. Just
>children. But because they play the role of perpetuating the species,
>they think they're God's gift to the world, and anyone who can't breed
>is so inferior as to justify their decimation and misery. So arrogant,
>they even create their own Bible of patriarchal dogma to hang around
>our necks like rotting albatross carcasses.
Of course, some Gay people have children - and some straights
do not. But you are right to say that Gay people have produced more
that improves this society than straights do by reproducing. The best
and brightest of all generations have been, for the most part,
homosexuals.
>They created their own Bible, so why shouldn't we create ours...a
>better Bible, a true celebration of our diversity of world views
>including atheistic and agnostic ones.
There are Gay religious groups - some Christian, many not.
There are Gay Pagan groups galore. I know of many Faerie Circles and,
although I am not a member, I encourage others of a like mind to
participate. We do not have to write our own Bible - there are those
Gay Christians who don't see the Bible as homophobic (which it isn't)
and there are other religions - like Budhism and Wicca which (for the
most part) do not discriminate against us.
>> As you say, violence is not the answer, but we can do
>>psychological violence against the status quo without resorting to
>>physical violence - merely by being ourselves and stop living in fear.
>
>Yes, it will fall into place once we really learn to take pride in our
>homosexual mystique. If most of us were already there, The Castro
>(heart of the "gay mecca") would not be a broken stage of hollow
>dreams filled with aging white boys filled with booze and speed,
>Instead, the Castro would be a showcase of our pride and diversity:
>lesbians and thracians working together to build a great society...of
>all colors and beliefs. Lesbian/Thracian street musicians and artists
>brightening up our streets. (How come, in our own gay neighborhoods,
>we let hetero street hawkers take over our turf? What is this? What
>the fuck gives with this shit?) The Castro would then be a remarkable
>jewel of human renaissance as an everyday fact of life. Instead of
>coming to a gutted out commercial strip with garbage blowing across
>the sidewalks and under our shoes...tourists would discover a real
>neighborhood of local artisans, shopkeepers, and community
>services...and not a single chain store in sight.
>
I think we need our places of pilgrimage. I was at Disney
World for Gay Day this year and the number of Gay people who visited
"Buy The Book" and looked at the "Ellen" curios worshipfully was
amazing. There is a Gay park in Atlanta which commemorates an old
friend of mine who was active in Gay politics a long time ago. There
are places in Europe where large group of Gay people go to celebrate
the lives and loves of our Gay heroes - and we need our Gay heroes -
we need more Gay history (which is out there, but hidden).
But you are right that we also need places where Gay people
can gather to commemorate the present and plan the progress of our
struggle.
.>> I agree with you! Each of us can do something, some of
>>us can do much more - and we all need to do what we can. And one
>>person can change the world.
>
>Think of what we could do with more than one! I really enjoyed this
>discourse with you, John Leopard (neat surname),
It's my real name, not a handle. I got tired of hiding years
ago and proudly fly a rainbow flag from my front porch - and have
rainbow stickers on my front and rear car bumpers (grin).
> and I hope for many
>more. You obviously have the potential to inspire other self-effacing
>gay souls to take pride and inspiration as to who they really are as
>same-sex lovers. Use your talent...it can just make the difference
>between us winding up in gas ovens (again), or creating the kind of
>utopia that Holland is already working on. There's a whole Usenet out
>there for your audience...a global stage as it were. To paraphrase a
>somewhat famous author of yore: "All the cyberspace's a stage, and all
>the men and women merely netizens."
>
>And speaking of our own bible, I'd like to end with an essay:
And I would love to read it. I think your ideas are
excellent.
John
John A. Leopard
>[I trimmed soc.motss from the header because I'm tired of getting e-mail from
>JTEM or whomever.]
You are me both! (grin) Are people in soc.motss really that
brain-dead and/or apathetic?
>kin...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
>> In article <35C1764F.17513661@-NOSPAM-firewind.net>,
>> trent petrasek <wolf@-NOSPAM-firewind.net> wrote:
>> > I seriously hope you intend on achieving this goal in MUCH more peacful
>> > terms that Ezekiel.
>>
>> At least Ezekiel has not fallen to the level of suggesting us,as you
>> Petrasek did today on this thread,to act towards each other as informants
>> of the foreign hetro authorities.
>
>Well, it certainly is a lot of fun to be radical. And it serves as a pretty
>good vehicle to justifiably vent a lot of anger and rage. The "Back to
>Africa" movement was never pulled off in the flesh and this one even has less
>of a chance. (1) We live in a postindustrial west, so its not like living in
>an agricultural society where you simply have to consolidate land and make a
>stand. The economic resources in which we are in relationship don't require
>a boundaried land necessarily. But I suppose cruising does - if you want to
>do it in person and not on a "chat" channel - in which case you may want to
>move to the Castro. Personally, I'll pass on the gay ghetto. (2)
>Heterosexual families are the breeding ground for gay kids and, try as you
>might, it's going to be hard to find THAT many dedicated lesbians willing to
>surrogate this new homosexual social order. But then you could send out spies
>and "Shanghai" any newly "begots" among the hets that you suspect is gay.
>
>I certainly don't disagree with the expression of anger and self determined
>identity. The Radical Faeries did a nice number in this regard in the 80s,
>people just got tired of dancing naked under the full moon while covered in
>mud and beating on tom-toms at "gatherings" where expectations of majic
>usually just led to jail or commital to the state hospital. Oh, this New Age!
>The thing about identity is that once you become more and more aware of
>constructs and how they effect you, i.e., as you approach "enlightenment,"
>the more you realize there really is no such thing as a "self." It is just a
>socially constructed delusion that we mistakenly perceive as functional.
>
>I would suggest that the more you youngsters come out of your heads and allow
>yourself the luxury of feelings such as love and compassion, you may surprise
>yourselves and end up in a committed relationship. The next thing that may
>occur to you is that straight people are enjoying the economic and social
>blessings of a long tested social institution - marriage. Then it may occur
>to you that no one gives a shit how much you may appear to be "assimilated"
>as long as your will is respected, you get a tax break, your partner is
>covered on your insurance, you can visit him in the hospital, your property
>rights are respected, etc. There will be plenty of time for the next
>generations to revise, rename and reconstruct the specifically gay
>institution of "partnership," "close relationship," "long time
>companionship," or "a thing for each other."
>
>As Humpty Dumpty said to Alice, "It's not the name of the thing that matters;
>it's what the name of the thing is called." This whole "marriage" thing is
>not about wearing the cloths of the emperor; its about making life more
>functional.
Excellent! Really cool!
John
John A. Leopard
>John A. Leopard wrote:
>
>> As you say, violence is not the answer, but we can do
>> psychological violence against the status quo without resorting to
>> physical violence - merely by being ourselves and stop living in fear.
>
>I hope you realize that the actions he is condoning (the brutal attack
>of computers on the internet) is very much an act of violence, and is
>punishable by law.
I haven't see that. What I have seen sounds a lot like the
typical arguments between a Gay activist and a Gay Republican.
John
John A. Leopard
>In article <35c27627...@news.mindspring.com>,
> jale...@mindspring.com wrote:
>
>> I have nothing against bisexuals, it's just not for me and
>> never will be.
>
>I do not think that there is anything *personal* in skirmishes or conflicts
>between representatives of various sexual orientations.
Very true.
>
>Any difficulty we may experience in our relations with hets or with other
>sexual minorities is in my view due to a conflict between divergent
>collective interests and values.
Also true. It's like the African-American and Jews, they have
their conflicts, unfortunately, but ultimately they are on the same
side of most issues. Our community is even more diverse, but we need
to find common goals to common ends.
>We have not much choice as individuals and temporary entities but to
>defend some collective and timeless value.Ours is same-sex love.If we do
>not do our job properly,history will select someone else to perform it
>in our place.
>
>My perception of hets either as friends or ennemies may vary in time and
>place.But it cannot change an iota to my impression that they are all
>foreigners.
>
>I can perfectly coexist with hets as individuals,and in fact I do.But I
>cannot stand their collective values,or their social or state organisation.
>Which is why I am a separatist.
I believe there should also be "Gay ghettos" and places where
mainly Gays gather - we need that - but I am not for a separate state.
That has been tried several times in the past - there have been "Gay
Communes" on various occasions at various places - but they have
ultimately failed just as other communes have failed - because they
are not economic feasible. And I don't see how that can change - nor
would I want to live in a totally Gay environment - although I do live
in a mostly Gay neighborhood in Atlanta already....
John
John A. Leopard
>On Sat, 01 Aug 1998 02:01:37 GMT, jale...@mindspring.com (John A.
>Leopard) wrote:
>
>>I believe that Gay people can and should create
>>their own community alongside the majority community and force the
>>majority community to accept us
>
Ezekiel wrote:
>Use force? I like that.
No. We can force straights to accept us by means other than
physical force. Physical force would be counterproductive.
I said: >>just as other minorities (ethnic, cultural and religious)
have done.
>
>In some cases, force was use, as in the Watts Riot, in others it was a
>slow grueling process to acceptance. We were not last in line, but we
>keep getting put there. I believe that force is the way to go.
Do you think that the Wattrs Riot were productive? I don't.
Nor do I think the White Night Riot was productive. Violence is not
productive. A lot more could be accomplished by our quiet insistance
of just being ourselves. If Gay people would stop hiding - and stop
compromising our feelings in public - we could make a great impact on
straight society.
I said: >> I have nothing against bisexuals,
>
>I do: a brick wall. At least when it comes to the *political aspect.
Then we disagree.
John
criminal
>
> I haven't see that. What I have seen sounds a lot like the
> typical arguments between a Gay activist and a Gay Republican.
No =) not a Republican. A libertarian. I believe very much so in self
governance, ie. you are responsible for your own actions. There are a
lot of ideas and the general concept I agree with, (I do not however,
believe in the separation aspect). I just do not agree with the means he
suggesting to get us there.
BTW - In one of your other postings you mentioned a Gay Democrat group
in Atlanta. May I have more information? (There's not really any
substance yet for a gay libertarian group, so I figure teh lesser of two
eveils *grin*).
--
Since I had so many questions about my signature I redid it =)
Trent Petrasek
wo...@f.i.r.e.w.i.n.d.d.o.t.n.e.t
on EFnet: criminal
criminal
> Ezekiel wrote:
>
> >Use force? I like that.
>
> No. We can force straights to accept us by means other than
> physical force. Physical force would be counterproductive.
This is my entire point.
> Do you think that the Wattrs Riot were productive? I don't.
> Nor do I think the White Night Riot was productive. Violence is not
> productive.
Violence begets violence.
> A lot more could be accomplished by our quiet insistance
> of just being ourselves. If Gay people would stop hiding - and stop
> compromising our feelings in public - we could make a great impact on
> straight society.
Hehehee, and scare the living shit out of them at the same time.
> >I do: a brick wall. At least when it comes to the *political aspect.
>
> Then we disagree.
Some of my best friends are Bisexual. Hell, my landlord is.
criminal
> I believe there should also be "Gay ghettos" and places where
> mainly Gays gather - we need that - but I am not for a separate state.
Wooo have you been to MidTown Atlanta lately? Or the Ansley area... wooo
Gay Ghetto =)
> That has been tried several times in the past - there have been "Gay
> Communes" on various occasions at various places - but they have
> ultimately failed just as other communes have failed - because they
> are not economic feasible. And I don't see how that can change - nor
> would I want to live in a totally Gay environment - although I do live
> in a mostly Gay neighborhood in Atlanta already....
Then I take it you live in Ansley? lol =)
Ezekiel Krahlin
wrote:
>I HAD an entire reply to this, but netscape crashed and I lost it.
At least, you *think it was Netscape. I'm just having fun with you.
You are *not as invulnerable as you think.
>> I'm sure out of all the participants in Usenet, is an
>> occasional lesbian or gay, with real sharp computer savvy, able to
>> assist others with less talent,
>
>There are. You are talking to one.
Good for you. And I hope you use such skills to benefit gay people. In
most cases, computer careers like any other, are making a handful on
top ultra-rich, for all the hard work by many talented people, who are
but economic peons by contrast. And if you're gay, you are inevitably
making heteros rich from the sweat of your brow...and the majority of
these heteros are also homophobic. Ergo, the majority of gay workers
are breaking their backs to make their homophobic, hetero enemies rich
and even more powerful.
And on top of that (to add insult to injury), we are *taxed for these
jobs serving homophobes who get rich as a result...taxes which (most
of it) are funneled to institutions that dedicated themselves to
oppressing gays: the military and the church...as well as major
sectors of government which passes homophobic laws and nullifies
pro-gay ones.
Truly gay supportive work places are still quite rare. And even among
the gay-protective businesses, I'm sure that what protection is on
paper, goes no further than that, most of the time. I've had het
supervisors who brag how protective they are of their gay
workers...and still act out heterosexist attitudes that offend these
same workers. And they'll treat you like children, inferiors, who need
them, look up to them for guidance. Screw that!
>I dunno what state you live in, but I can kiss anyone I want to, here.
That's an outright deception. Sure, I can too, here in gay
meccaville...at least, on paper, it says I can. But I still run a very
high risk of being bashed (or fired) for doing so in public. And for
every second I'd continue a kiss or a holding of hands, the risk
statistically sky-rockets. Even in the most supposedly-gay-friendly
city in the U.S....we are regularly bashed, murdered, and threatened.
If even San Francisco weren't virulently homophobic, there'd be gay
couples in every public area, freely expressing their affections just
as heteros safely and unconsciously do. But step outside of the few
gay pockets of the city, and you don't. In the Haight Ashbury
neighborhood, last year two guys got bashed badly, just for walking
down the street holding hands. One of them died as a result.
A few months ago, a gay was murdered...and the killer got off with
probation and served no time in prison...because one of our own judges
here in "gay mecca" blamed the crime on bad booze...therefore making
the killer the victim, and not the killed! That's right, here in San
Franshitsco. If the "gay mecca" is like this, then what the hell is
going on here? These bashing happen with all-too-obvious regularity.
Our public transit system has a rotten track record of its drivers
ignoring gay attacks on buses...in fact, sometimes the drivers do the
attack themselves! The S.F. transit service here, called MUNI, I give
a new name: Homophobe Express. It's really scary taking those buses
out to the Avenues (Richmond and Sunset districts)...lots of nasty
teenage punks looking for their faggots to bash...and the drivers
rarely stop the bus and tell them to get off, when they start calling
another rider "faggot", harrassing him verbally and often physically.
So I know you are definitely lying, when you say you can kiss another
man who is your lover, in public, any time and anywhere. You might get
away with a quick peck done in such a way as to look like you're
whispering in his ear, or brushing a fleck of dust from his
lapel...never anything too blantant, that is. But you cannot--except
in a few pockets of gay-safe areas in major cities--show prolonged
affection more than several minutes, without people attacking you and
doing everything possible to separate the two of you...even bashing
you both perhaps to death.
>Only between the idiots that don't know how to protect themselves and
>the hacker boys with SPS (Small Penis Syndrome) that insist on attacking
>the idiots.
The average Internet user is what you refer to as an "idiot". These
are the majority of our 'Netizens...of course, many are gay. They are
not idiots...just too busy with their own careers to take on yet
another vocation, just to learn all the sophisticated operations of a
very complex machine: the computer.
You trivialize the truly sinister side of those who would, or are
planning to, attack computer systems in order to threaten people into
submitting to dogmatic agendas. These are not teenagers with SPS. They
are not the main thrust of the computer security issue, and the real
concern about it. You, supposedly a computer "expert", certainly know
this...yet you insist on changing the record for your own personal
agenda to win the argument in this thread.
The real culprits that will devastate computer operations will be (to
name but a few): KKKristian religious right and other religious
terrorists such as Islamic extremists, CIA manipulation, the
Pentagon, and the FBI...as well as whatever cults rise to the
occassion.
>Oh there's no doubt I'll protect you if you ask, or help you figure out
>how to protect your computer, etc. But I refuse to participate or
>condoning an attack.
Okay, I'll take you up on that. I do have what I think is good
protection on my personal computer...and I'll give you a rundown
later...after first hearing what you propose as the best way for a
home user to protect his or her PC. I'm on a budget, and can't afford
to squander much money.
Ezekiel Krahlin
Smith) wrote:
>Wrong. If you must decide to adhere to homosexuality, you are not
>a Kinsey six. If you are a Kinsey six, then your "adhesion" to
>homosexuality does not depend upon your politcal will and you are
>spouting manifest nonsense. Either way, nothing states clearly who
>you are, beyond confused.
Picking at minor details does not win an argument. I could make a
better case against gay separatism, than anyone has yet done in this
thread. The effect, as it seems to me, of speaking of gay secession
and our own nation...is to hold wonderful visions before the gay
community...visions that are very appealing, and speak of many
idealistic dreams. So this is hard to resist, considering how long we
have suffered for our sexuality, and in large part still do. Which one
of us really *wouldn't want our own nation, let alone planet?
So I can easily imagine that most gays arguing against such separatist
proposals, would put up a weaker resistance than normal, due to
the mesmerizing picture that Kingsix and I paint: of a glorious
society based on reverence for the homosexual mystique.
You are therefore forgiven for your blundering presentations of an
opposing view. I deem you blameless.
Ezekiel Krahlin
wrote:
>if you are willing to DOS a computer that you suffer from SPS , too.
As a fetus, I was greatly concerned. But in later life my fears were
assuaged.
Ezekiel Krahlin
Leopard) wrote:
>>My historical research is showing me more and more cases where
>>homosexuals are the center of culture of all societies, and when
>>suppressed the society goes barbaric and falls.
>
> I agree completely. A few years ago I did a considerabe
>amount of research on the subject.
John, do you perchance have a paper you wrote on this subject, and
still have a copy? I would *love to obtain it, either by electronic or
snail mail (I have a scanner)...and showcase it on that part of my
website, composed of other gays' contributions.
Oh, please please please say you do!
Ezekiel Krahlin
Leopard) wrote:
> Even the most tolerant heterosexual man harbors the feeling
>that homosexuals can change if they really wanted to. The straight
>man's universe revolves around women's teats - their whole life begins
>and ends at a woman's breasts. They can not understand us.
Very good point, J. Leopard! I have consistently discovered that, when
I scratch just below the surface, most men who consider themselves
liberal, are not when it comes to gays. They *insist they are
gay-friendly...yet if they really were, don't you think you'd see a
gay book or two along with their books on gay rights, women's rights,
ecological salvation and the like, sitting on their coffee table, or
in their bookshelves? I guarantee, you will never, NEVER find one!
In order to help gays discern just how gay friendly their family and
straight friends really are, I wrote this piece, which was first
published as a guest opinion, in the S.F. BAR (San Francisco Bay Area
Reporter...a gay newspaper):
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Permission granted by author for anyone to distribute this
writing free of charge (including translation into any
language)...under condition that no profit is made therefrom,
and that it remain intact and complete, including title and
credit to the original author.
Ezekiel J. Krahlin
ezek...@iname.com
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SEVEN LITMUS TESTS
copyright 1997 by Ezekiel J. Krahlin
(Jehovah's Queer Witness)
So, you have straight friends--even family members,
perhaps--who are so very understanding and accepting of your
homosexuality. Or are they, really? Take a second look and
see how they stand up to the seven litmus tests I describe
herein:
1) Of course, if they accept your homosexuality, they are
most likely "liberals". And--being the good liberals they
are--they proudly wear T-shirts and decals proclaiming their
support of black people's rights, women's rights, ecological
causes, anti-nuclear slogans, et cetera. But where are their
T-shirts that say something like "Another hetero for gay
rights"? If your straight friends do not display pro-gay
icons on a regular basis--as they do for other causes--then
they are not truly supportive of your sexual civil rights.
Just as in the past, many white folks did not vocalize support
for black people from fear of being called "nigger
lovers"...many liberals are afraid of being labeled "faggot"
if they display support for gay rights. (Their loss, and your
holocaust.)
2) Your "progressive" hetero friends love to chew the fat
over political issues (see above)...yet they never seem to
come around to discussing the gay dilemma. Unless, of course,
you yourself interject that topic, with resulting token
responses by your "supportive" chums. But if you're silent, or
not there, homosexuality is never a part of their progressive
agenda. If they donate to liberal causes, have they ever
included a contribution to some lesbian or gay organization?
3) If your "loving" family members say they support you...how
far will they go in defending you before a bigoted relative?
Or do they avoid the topic of homosexuality altogether, in
order to never be in a position to defend you?
4) If you lost a lover from AIDS or other tragedy: how many
family members rush to your side in loving concern, to ease
you through your passage of grief...as they clearly would for
their heterosexual kin? Or do they give you a cursory nod of
sympathy, then go on their own selfish way? (Implying, of
course, that no one can really take a homosexual relationship
seriously...it is, at best, a joke; and certainly something
one can get over in a few weeks or less.)
5) Has any close relative (such as a brother, sister, or
parent) ever voluntarily approached you to ask your opinions
of what it's like to be gay, and how you cope with an
intolerant society? Does any relative take the kindness to
recognize your humanity during Lesbian/ Gay Pride Week? (Or
do they all pretend they don't even know of its existence,
even when you remind them of the upcoming event each year?)
Has any one of them actually read a book about
homosexuality--just as they read about racism, Viet Nam,
etc.-- that they may better understand the issue?
6) Are your "understanding" hetero buddies often
rationalizing society's homophobia with statements like:
"Well, heterosexuality is so deeply ingrained in our
culture...it will take some time yet for society to come
around." Though they would never dream of saying the same
thing for other issues of oppression; such as black people's
rights, child abuse, job discrimination towards females, etc.
(Yet those negative aspects are just as ingrained in our
society, as is hatred towards homosexuals.)
7) Do your relatives go all ga-ga over conventional "het"
weddings within the family...and pretend to never comprehend
why you might feel a little less eager to celebrate these
breeder unions, than they are? ("Oh, cousin Peggy, I'm so
happy you're getting married to the man of your dreams! I'll
dance with all the bridesmaid's and sing, and play piano, and
in general, be the life of the party. Then when it's all over,
I'll go back to my little queer closet, where I can brood to
my heart's content over never being able to celebrate a
marriage with the partner of my dreams, as you, privileged
hetero, can so freely do.")
Note: Would you consider refusing to attend hetero weddings
until the time when gays can also marry...and mail a written
declaration to this effect to your closer relatives? Or are
you a slave to your family's every demand...and/or afraid of
losing certain fringe benefits, such as paid college tuition,
generous birthday and graduation gifts, family business loans
and donations, and a sumptuous inheritance or two? If so,
then you must also bear some guilt for perpetuating
homophobia. Mama's boys just don't cut the mustard when it
comes to defending homosexual civil rights at the cost of
making their mothers happy.
Many of us live in delusion as to the assumed "stalwart
support" from our heterosexual kith and kin. So I hope the
examples above will wake up some of our sisters and brothers.
I must also point out that if you do have family members and
straight friends who pass these litmus tests, then you are a
lucky soul, indeed.
I am a Christian who believes that Jesus is homosexual, and
whose lover is of course, God. And it is also my belief that
Jesus had the homosexuality/family issue in mind, when He said
(Matthew 10:35-36):
For I have come to set a man against his father, a
daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law
against her mother-in-law. And a man's foes will
be those of his own household.
President Clinton's signing of the so-called "Defense Of
Marriage Act" is clearly this prophecy on the way to
fulfilling itself. Best prepare for the revolution about to
come, and beware of family and most of your hetero
buddies--for they may kill you with "friendly fire."
---finis
Ezekiel Krahlin
wrote:
>> I will get funnier and funnier with my articles as time passes...but
>
>Spare me.
You have been spared. Just don't do it again.
or I'll crash your Netscape *permanently next time.