Cruise Ship Gays...
BARD
The International Gay and Lesbian Travel Association has called the recent
Cayman Island Minister of Tourism, Thomas Jefferson's refusal to allow a
gay cruise ship docking privileges an act of bigotry and are now urging
gays everywhere to show their disapproval through the power of boycott.
Rich Campbell, president of Atlantis Events, the company that charted the
910 passenger Norwegian Cruise ship, called the banning of the ship an
example of "sheer prejudice." Of course, absent from both Campbell's and
the IGLTA's response is any additional information about why the Cayman
tourism people would do such a thing. Indulge me while I give my opinion.
Tourism is the Cayman Island's life-blood. Without it the people there
would starve, so it goes without saying that Caymanians must have
compelling reason for not welcoming these 910 visiting gays with open arms
-- and they do.
Simply put, their experience with gays have made it abundantly clear to
them that cruise ship gays are a pestilence to be avoided regardless of
the money. These men come to the island not to visit the beautiful
Botanical Parks, spend time at the National Museum or camp in the lush
woodlands, they come to engage in behavior that is disrespectful to the
sensibilities and values of the island natives -- gross and inappropriate
behavior. Thus, the issue is not what homosexuals ARE -- but what
homosexuals DO!
Caymanians have every right in the world to shield their children from the
debauchery gay cruise ships are well-noted for. They have every right to
_not_ want their teenage sons to become fair game for money-spending gay
predators.
This is the real issue here, not homophobia.
BARD
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women didn't recognize him, all but a few,
that is, and they succumbed on the spot.
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POWER69
BARD wrote in message <6990bg$a...@havea.min.net>...
So it is o.k with you to punish the whole because a few don't conform?
Seems like I've heard that somewhere else eg. Hitler.
Why not ban all white people from the islands while they're at it. After
all, the Caymans were originally salve colonies.
Regards,
Andrew ;-}
pow...@swlink.net
Mike Silverman
A little search and replace excercise make's Bard's real thoughts clear...
In article <6990bg$a...@havea.min.net>, ba...@havea.min.net (BARD) wrote:
> The International Black Travel Association has called the recent
> Cayman Island Minister of Tourism, Thomas Jefferson's refusal to allow a
> black cruise ship docking privileges an act of bigotry and are now urging
> blacks everywhere to show their disapproval through the power of boycott.
> Rich Campbell, president of Atlantis Events, the company that charted the
> 910 passenger Norwegian Cruise ship, called the banning of the ship an
> example of "sheer prejudice." Of course, absent from both Campbell's and
> the IBTA response is any additional information about why the Cayman
> tourism people would do such a thing. Indulge me while I give my opinion.
>
> Tourism is the Cayman Island's life-blood. Without it the people there
> would starve, so it goes without saying that Caymanians must have
> compelling reason for not welcoming these 910 visiting blacks with open arms
> -- and they do.
>
> Simply put, their experience with blacks have made it abundantly clear to
> them that cruise ship blacks are a pestilence to be avoided regardless of
> the money. These men come to the island not to visit the beautiful
> Botanical Parks, spend time at the National Museum or camp in the lush
> woodlands, they come to engage in behavior that is disrespectful to the
> sensibilities and values of the island natives -- gross and inappropriate
> behavior. Thus, the issue is not what blacks ARE -- but what
> blacks DO!
>
> Caymanians have every right in the world to shield their children from the
> debauchery blacks cruise ships are well-noted for. They have every right to
> _not_ want their teenage sons to become fair game for money-spending black
> predators.
>
> This is the real issue here, not racism.
>
>
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Alex
>>original quote snipped>>Re: the Cayman Islands
POWER69 responded:
> So it is o.k with you to punish the whole because a few don't conform?
> Seems like I've heard that somewhere else eg. Hitler.
> Why not ban all white people from the islands while they're at it. After
> all, the Caymans were originally salve colonies.
>
> Regards,
> Andrew ;-}
Dear Power69,
Please don't take anything he says seriously. He'd have no problem if
the ship in question carried heterosexual men bent on rape and spreading
syphilis like the Bounty. And he'd applaud if it were a warship standing
offshore lobbing missiles into the Botanical Gardens and Museums. You
see, he is like one of those children from a large family who was
completely ignored growing up. To him negative attention is better than
no attention at all. I know it's pitiful, isn't it?
BARD
I was not around to post articles about the Bounty, and I assure you that
I firmly condemn incidents like GI rape of local girls when it happens
(and it frequently does). Still, I'm convinced the far more alarming
problem here is how gays to-a-man are non-judgemental about such things.
Time and again we see how gays simply refuse to take responsibility for
their actions and cruise ship gays are only another in a long line of
examples. Clearly, if the gay rights movement had any integrity at all --
if the members of this group had any integrity at all -- they'd condemn
gays who do what cruise ship gays do. But you don't and that is why I
must.
Jack Danger
Bard-
Gays grow up in a culture where they are breaking a sexual taboo. If
a person is going to hell for being gay -- it's difficult to concern
yourself with other sexual values. As I have said before conservative
Christians are not interested in teaching gays to be socially
responsible -- I think that gay society is reflects that the church
turned its back on homosexuality.
Its easy to sit in an arm chair and point fingers -- but the fact is
the church doesn't care about the quality of life of gays. They see
gays as a money making cause or should I say a profitable enemy.
Yes, there are activities in the gay community that are unhealthy and
should be stopped. I don't want to sound as if I am negating personal
responsibility. What I am saying is that the church is partially to
responsible for current condition.
-JD
Mike Silverman
> Clearly, if the gay rights movement had any integrity at all --
> if the members of this group had any integrity at all -- they'd condemn
> gays who do what cruise ship gays do.
Specifically, what do cruise ship gays do?
Define the term "cruise ship gays" -- how do these differ from "regular"
gays? Is it the presence of a boat that makes the difference? If that is
the case, by virtue of the fact that at one point in my life I have taken a
cruise, am I a "cruise ship gay"?
Finally, cite your sources for any alleged indecencies that this group of
people have committed.
L. Michael Roberts
BARD wrote:
>
> In article <34B910...@pacbell.net>, Alex <an...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >>>original quote snipped>>Re: the Cayman Islands
> >
> >POWER69 responded:
> >
> >> So it is o.k with you to punish the whole because a few don't conform?
> >> Seems like I've heard that somewhere else eg. Hitler.
> >> Why not ban all white people from the islands while they're at it. After
> >> all, the Caymans were originally salve colonies.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Andrew ;-}
> >
> >Dear Power69,
> >
> >Please don't take anything he says seriously. He'd have no problem if
> >the ship in question carried heterosexual men bent on rape and spreading
> >syphilis like the Bounty. And he'd applaud if it were a warship standing
> >offshore lobbing missiles into the Botanical Gardens and Museums. You
> >see, he is like one of those children from a large family who was
> >completely ignored growing up. To him negative attention is better than
> >no attention at all. I know it's pitiful, isn't it?
>
> I firmly condemn incidents like GI rape of local girls when it happens
> (and it frequently does).
Is the insuniation here that the cruse-ship-gays were bent on raping
caman islanders? I thought that was the military's job! If this was
thier intent, then the Caytmans should have welcomed them and had paddy
wagons standing by to transport rapists to prison.
> Still, I'm convinced the far more alarming
> problem here is how gays to-a-man are non-judgemental about such things.
Firstly you are making a sweeping egnerality here. I am oposed to rape
and exploitation so there goes your too-a-man asertion. I doubt you
have polled all the gays here [and even that is a small sample that
would tend to be squewed towards intelegent/computer-literate gays] to
determine thier views so you can not say "gays to-a-man are
non-judgemental about such things".
> Time and again we see how gays simply refuse to take responsibility for
> their actions and cruise ship gays are only another in a long line of
> examples.
I take responsibility for my actions. Do you expect me to take
responsibility for my gay freinds? my gay community, gays as a 'queer
nation'? How much responsibility must the individual gay take?
There are some things about heterosexual behaviour that I find
personaly disgusting [copraphelia for example] - yes I am sure a
minority of gays also indulge in this behaviour. Is it reasonable Bard
to ask *you* to take responsibility for your fellow hwtwros because such
behaviour is perverted and disgusing and can lead to the spread of
disease? Isent it enough that you take responsibility for your own
actions?
> Clearly, if the gay rights movement had any integrity at all --
> if the members of this group had any integrity at all -- they'd condemn
> gays who do what cruise ship gays do. But you don't and that is why I
> must.
You still have not told us what these cruse-ship-gays 'do' [aside from
eating, sleaping, having sex, swimming, partying, etc. Do you have any
brochures from the cruse line that promote "A visit to the lovely
Caymen ISlands where you can rape and pillage the natives"????
Yes there are dissonant voices within the gay rights movement that
condem behaviours such as public sex. There are those who do not
participate in the gay community except in cyberspace. There are those
who are very ethical and those who are not - we are a bunch of
individuals just as the heteros are and our opinions and viewpoints are
as diverse.
+====================== L. Michael Roberts ======================+
This represents my personal opinion and NOT Company policy
Burlington, Ont, Canada - to reply, remove '0spam' from my address
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Ward Stewart
ba...@havea.min.net (BARD) wrote:
>~I was not around to post articles about the Bounty, and I assure you that
>~I firmly condemn incidents like GI rape of local girls when it happens
>~(and it frequently does). Still, I'm convinced the far more alarming
>~problem here is how gays to-a-man are non-judgemental about such things.
>~Time and again we see how gays simply refuse to take responsibility for
>~their actions and cruise ship gays are only another in a long line of
>~examples. Clearly, if the gay rights movement had any integrity at all --
>~if the members of this group had any integrity at all -- they'd condemn
>~gays who do what cruise ship gays do. But you don't and that is why I
>~must.
>~BARD
In other words we were obligated to observe the "whites only" signs
on the drinking fountains, the 'negroes' must sit in the balcony
saigns in the theaters, the "no Irish need apply" signs at the
employment offices.
We are required to applaud Russian and Moslem world efforts to exclude
Christians? After all it is THEIR belief that Christians would work
them mischief. "Time and again we see" how Christians refuse to
accept the continuation of Islamic religion in Moslem countries, yet
the Christians decline to ---- "Clearly, if the (Christian) rights
movement had any integrity at all -- if the members of this group had
any integrity at all -- they'd condemn gays who do what (missionary
Christians) do. But you don't and that is why I must.
ward
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>Indulge me while I give my opinion.
Nope.
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BARD
In article <34ba60a6...@news.inreach.com>,
Jack Danger <dan...@reach.com> wrote:
>Bard-
>
>Gays grow up in a culture where they are breaking a sexual taboo. If
>a person is going to hell for being gay -- it's difficult to concern
>yourself with other sexual values. As I have said before conservative
>Christians are not interested in teaching gays to be socially
>responsible -- I think that gay society is reflects that the church
>turned its back on homosexuality.
Christians think homosexual culture is anathema to everything they stand
for. Bath houses, Fire Island, cruise ship gays, all these things glorify
a way of life Christians wish their children to have nothing to do with.
Gays are not willing to forgo these things so why are you surprised
Christians forgo gays?
>
>Its easy to sit in an arm chair and point fingers -- but the fact is
>the church doesn't care about the quality of life of gays. They see
>gays as a money making cause or should I say a profitable enemy.
Gays ARE an enemy to Christian values. Gays stand firmly against
everything Christians are far. Indeed, today the gay is the most dangerous
threat Christians face. I am not a Christian man, but when I see hundreds
of gays groping each other on Greenwich Village piers I know I could never
accept this kind of behavior from my son. And let's make it clear what
Greenwich Village pier gays do: they congregate on the piers like flies
atop shit, then go beneath the piers to fuck and suck each other. Nowhere
in the gay media is this kind of amoral, high-risk behavior condemned --
and more... when community leaders demand that police put a stop to such
public debauchery people like you call them homophobic!
>
>Yes, there are activities in the gay community that are unhealthy and
>should be stopped. I don't want to sound as if I am negating personal
>responsibility. What I am saying is that the church is partially to
>responsible for current condition.
>
I don't see how. The church has long-condemned homosexuality. The church,
in fact, predicted the kind of moral erosion that homosexual culture
promotes. No, I just don't see how you can blame the church for the
direction homosexual culture has gone. Don't see it at all.
BARD
In article <cubsfan-ya0240800...@207.126.101.83>,
Mike Silverman <cub...@cjnetworks.com> wrote:
>In article <69d9ug$i...@havea.min.net>, ba...@havea.min.net (BARD) wrote:
>
>
>Specifically, what do cruise ship gays do?
>
>Define the term "cruise ship gays" -- how do these differ from "regular"
>gays? Is it the presence of a boat that makes the difference? If that is
>the case, by virtue of the fact that at one point in my life I have taken a
>cruise, am I a "cruise ship gay"?
>
>Finally, cite your sources for any alleged indecencies that this group of
>people have committed.
The debauchery that happens on gay cruise ships is well known. While the
ship is at sea an orgy on water takes place, which is the whole point to
leasing the boat -- unrestricted sex. Then when the boat docks, the idea
is to go ashore and continue the fun. This in a nutshell is what gay
cruise ships are all about.
BARD
In article <34BA7D...@LaserFX.0spam.com>,
L. Michael Roberts <news...@LaserFX.0spam.com> wrote:
>BARD wrote:
>>
>> I was not around to post articles about the Bounty, and I assure you that
>> I firmly condemn incidents like GI rape of local girls when it happens
>> (and it frequently does).
>
>> Still, I'm convinced the far more alarming
>> problem here is how gays to-a-man are non-judgemental about such things.
>
> Firstly you are making a sweeping egnerality here. I am oposed to rape
>and exploitation so there goes your too-a-man asertion. I doubt you
>have polled all the gays here [and even that is a small sample that
>would tend to be squewed towards intelegent/computer-literate gays] to
>determine thier views so you can not say "gays to-a-man are
>non-judgemental about such things".
Well, they are. Produce one gay response that is judgemental if you can.
I've reviewed the responses from the gay community and every single one
supports the boycott against the Cayman Islands -- not one makes any
mention of the validity of the charges (inappropriate behavior).
>
>> Time and again we see how gays simply refuse to take responsibility for
>> their actions and cruise ship gays are only another in a long line of
>> examples.
>
> I take responsibility for my actions. Do you expect me to take
>responsibility for my gay freinds? my gay community, gays as a 'queer
>nation'? How much responsibility must the individual gay take?
> There are some things about heterosexual behaviour that I find
>personaly disgusting [copraphelia for example] - yes I am sure a
>minority of gays also indulge in this behaviour. Is it reasonable Bard
>to ask *you* to take responsibility for your fellow hwtwros because such
>behaviour is perverted and disgusing and can lead to the spread of
>disease? Isent it enough that you take responsibility for your own
>actions?
What you do is not the issue. What the gay community _isn't_ doing is.
>
>> Clearly, if the gay rights movement had any integrity at all --
>> if the members of this group had any integrity at all -- they'd condemn
>> gays who do what cruise ship gays do. But you don't and that is why I
>> must.
>
> You still have not told us what these cruse-ship-gays 'do' [aside from
>eating, sleaping, having sex, swimming, partying, etc. Do you have any
>brochures from the cruse line that promote "A visit to the lovely
>Caymen ISlands where you can rape and pillage the natives"????
>
Would you really like to know what they do? The Cayman government was
being very polite by merely calling it "inappropriate behavior."
> Yes there are dissonant voices within the gay rights movement that
>condem behaviours such as public sex. There are those who do not
>participate in the gay community except in cyberspace. There are those
>who are very ethical and those who are not - we are a bunch of
>individuals just as the heteros are and our opinions and viewpoints are
>as diverse.
>
Where are they-- on cruise ships?
Bruce Garrett
ba...@havea.min.net (BARD)...
GL>The debauchery that happens on gay cruise ships is well known.
You screwed a different girl every day? In Vietnam? When you
were fifteen? No Shit?
---
-Bruce Garrett \ http://www.pobox.com/~bgarrett
Cockeysville, MD. / \ His palate is sheer sweetness and everything about
him is altogether desirable. -The Song of Solomon
Jack Danger
Bard-
Stop bitching about homosexuals. If you are not going to be a part of
the solution, than you are part of the cause. Did you ever encourge
your brother to have a monogamous gay relationship? Did you ever
encourge your brother to bring his lover to family events? Or did you
spout the same hatered that you are famous for?
Mike Silverman
> Well, they are. Produce one gay response that is judgemental if you can.
> I've reviewed the responses from the gay community and every single one
> supports the boycott against the Cayman Islands -- not one makes any
> mention of the validity of the charges (inappropriate behavior).
That is because these charges have been disproven and are nothing more than
rumor and hearsay.
Mike Silverman
> Gays ARE an enemy to Christian values. Gays stand firmly against
> everything Christians are far. I am not a Christian man.
Does this comment by Bard really even need a rebuttal?
Mike Silverman
> ... Bath houses...
Let me guess...if you think bath houses have to do with gay culre today, I
bet you think that "Three's Company" is a currently-running sitcom and
Jimmy Carter is our president.
Better fast forward your time-machine, bucko!
Alex
Validity of what charges? The ship hadn't docked yet. It would have
been impossible for the passengers to have committed any crimes or
innappropriate behavior ON the Islands. What I object to, is the
homophobic attitude that because one or several individuals MAY do
something innappropriate, at some future time, ALL the passengers were
turned away. Any "charges" brought in an American court based on these
types of ludicrous predictions would NOT be thrown out, it would be
LAUGHED out of court.
"So and so is a fundamentalist kristian, fundamentalist kristians in the
past have done things which were profoundly evil. Therefore we can
predict that so and so will probably do something profoundly evil at
some point in the future and should therefore be incarcerated, for her
own safety and the safety of the community."
BARD
Mike Silverman wrote:
> In article <69g0p9$8...@havea.min.net>, ba...@havea.min.net (BARD) wrote:
>
> > Well, they are. Produce one gay response that is judgemental if you can.
> > I've reviewed the responses from the gay community and every single one
> > supports the boycott against the Cayman Islands -- not one makes any
> > mention of the validity of the charges (inappropriate behavior).
>
> That is because these charges have been disproven and are nothing more than
> rumor and hearsay.
What has been disproven, you bonehead?
BARD
BARD
The man has a point. Gays have learned their lesson about bathhouses, and
in addition, it's nothing to make light of anyway. The men who went to
these bathhouses weren't evil...they weren't looking to spread disease,
they never imagined in a million years anything like the AIDS epidemic
would happen. And we should all grieve for them...
If only they listened....
BARD
>been impossible for the passengers to have committed any crimes or
>innappropriate behavior ON the Islands. What I object to, is the
>homophobic attitude that because one or several individuals MAY do
>something innappropriate, at some future time, ALL the passengers were
>turned away. Any "charges" brought in an American court based on these
>types of ludicrous predictions would NOT be thrown out, it would be
>LAUGHED out of court.
>"So and so is a fundamentalist kristian, fundamentalist kristians in the
>past have done things which were profoundly evil. Therefore we can
>predict that so and so will probably do something profoundly evil at
>some point in the future and should therefore be incarcerated, for her
>own safety and the safety of the community."
And here we see the direction the spin doctors mean to take the thing...
So now its "one" gay who acted inappropriately; and from here we see how
the lie is embellished further. And we should expect that by the time
the gay spin-miesters finish with it it'll be reduced to an incident where
one gay was seen smoking a Virginia Slim cigarette that caused all the
uproar, and that entirely all the other gays on all the previous ships
came with their domestic partners as well as recent HIV-negative test
results which were checked and double-checked before they were allowed off
the boat.
Well, this is bunk. Cruise ship gays attack tiny island communities like
the Marines at Iwo Jima. They go on search and destroy missions for
anything they can stick their... ah, ahem... bayonets in. They go
crashing through the streets of these communities liquored up, coked-up,
wild-eyed and rip-roaring horny. They fuck in the bushes, in the water, on
the sand--they don't care-- showing no more respect for the native people
then they do the sky, sun or moon. And Lord protect the local who comes
along and strikes their fancy: they stare at them, stalk them, offer them
fantastic sums of money. This is the kind of entertainment gay cruise
ships promise, and this is why gays take their vacations on them.
Again, gay cruise ships are about one thing and one thing alone -- sex.
~(^@^)~
BARD wrote:
////snip\\\\\
> Well, this is bunk. Cruise ship gays attack tiny island communities like
> the Marines at Iwo Jima. They go on search and destroy missions for
> anything they can stick their... ah, ahem... bayonets in. They go
> crashing through the streets of these communities liquored up, coked-up,
> wild-eyed and rip-roaring horny. They fuck in the bushes, in the water, on
> the sand--they don't care-- showing no more respect for the native people
> then they do the sky, sun or moon. And Lord protect the local who comes
> along and strikes their fancy: they stare at them, stalk them, offer them
> fantastic sums of money. This is the kind of entertainment gay cruise
> ships promise, and this is why gays take their vacations on them.
>
> Again, gay cruise ships are about one thing and one thing alone -- sex.
>
> BARD
You are, one hopes, 'kidding'. You can NOT be *THIS* ignorant...
RevOinK
JBarlow766
Bard wrote:
Well, this is bunk. Cruise ship gays attack tiny island communities like
the Marines at Iwo Jima. They go on search and destroy missions for
anything they can stick their... ah, ahem... bayonets in. They go
crashing through the streets of these communities liquored up, coked-up,
wild-eyed and rip-roaring horny. They fuck in the bushes, in the water, on
the sand--they don't care-- showing no more respect for the native people
then they do the sky, sun or moon. And Lord protect the local who comes
along and strikes their fancy: they stare at them, stalk them, offer them
fantastic sums of money. This is the kind of entertainment gay cruise
ships promise, and this is why gays take their vacations on them.
Those of us with not-so-long memories remember this nugget:
--
Subject: Re: Producers should recruit these Japanese starlets
From: ba...@havea.min.net (BARD)
Date: 1997/12/29
Message-ID: <rame.883426208p30591@bash>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies.erotica
Just an off the wall comment that may be of some small interest. When I
was a kid serving in Vietnam I'm sure I screwed a different girl every
day.....We were all like this.
--\\--
Jeff - Seattle USA
jsbarlow at aa.net
J. Northwood
On Wed, 14 Jan 1998 21:15:55 +0000, "~(^@^)~"
<dadp...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>BARD wrote:
< snip . . . not like it matters >
>> Again, gay cruise ships are about one thing and one thing alone -- sex.
>> BARD
>You are, one hopes, 'kidding'. You can NOT be *THIS* ignorant...
>RevOinK
No, he's not kidding, and yes, he *is* that ignorant.
Jack Danger
J. Northwood-
From Fireisland to the Cayman Islands, Bard seems to be obsessed with
gays having sex on the beach. Living in California, I have been to
many beaches and I have never seen 4000 gay men having sex on a public
beach. It seems to me that a lovefest of that size would make the
nightly news, amateur adult videos, and hundreds of pics would show up
on the internet.
Most people toss out information that sounds unbelievable. Bard
processes everything; Garbage in--Garbage out.
-JD
Jack Danger
Bard-
The degree that you over state problems turns your serious posts into
a string of jokes. The fact remains that Gay Americans were denied
access to the caymen islands for crimes they did not commit. The ship
should have been allowed to dock and those gays who caught breaking
Cayman Laws should be punished like every other tourist.
-JD
>And here we see the direction the spin doctors mean to take the thing...
>
>So now its "one" gay who acted inappropriately; and from here we see how
>the lie is embellished further. And we should expect that by the time
>the gay spin-miesters finish with it it'll be reduced to an incident where
>one gay was seen smoking a Virginia Slim cigarette that caused all the
>uproar, and that entirely all the other gays on all the previous ships
>came with their domestic partners as well as recent HIV-negative test
>results which were checked and double-checked before they were allowed off
>the boat.
>
>Well, this is bunk. Cruise ship gays attack tiny island communities like
>the Marines at Iwo Jima. They go on search and destroy missions for
>anything they can stick their... ah, ahem... bayonets in. They go
>crashing through the streets of these communities liquored up, coked-up,
>wild-eyed and rip-roaring horny. They fuck in the bushes, in the water, on
>the sand--they don't care-- showing no more respect for the native people
>then they do the sky, sun or moon. And Lord protect the local who comes
>along and strikes their fancy: they stare at them, stalk them, offer them
>fantastic sums of money. This is the kind of entertainment gay cruise
>ships promise, and this is why gays take their vacations on them.
>
Magenta
BARD <BA...@min.net> doth speak:
> What has been disproven, you bonehead?
No, it has been proven you are a bonehead.
Magenta
dan...@reach.com (Jack Danger) doth speak:
>Bard-
>
>The degree that you over state problems turns your serious posts into
>a string of jokes.
His SERIOUS posts?!? When did he ever have one of those? I must have
missed it. All of his posts were jokes, but jokes on him. He is in the
Fred Cherry category of net loonies- poke fun at him if you would
like, bicker with him for fun, but don't attempt to take that idiot
seriously. He believes gays recruit, for crying out loud.
Ward Stewart
>BARD wrote:
>////snip\\\\\
>> Well, this is bunk. Cruise ship gays attack tiny island communities like
>> the Marines at Iwo Jima. They go on search and destroy missions for
>> anything they can stick their... ah, ahem... bayonets in. They go
>> crashing through the streets of these communities liquored up, coked-up,
>> wild-eyed and rip-roaring horny. They fuck in the bushes, in the water, on
>> the sand--they don't care-- showing no more respect for the native people
>> then they do the sky, sun or moon. And Lord protect the local who comes
>> along and strikes their fancy: they stare at them, stalk them, offer them
>> fantastic sums of money. This is the kind of entertainment gay cruise
>> ships promise, and this is why gays take their vacations on them.
>>
>> Again, gay cruise ships are about one thing and one thing alone -- sex.
>>
>> BARD
>
>
>You are, one hopes, 'kidding'. You can NOT be *THIS* ignorant...
>RevOinK
NEVER underestimate our boy BARD -- he is a veritable polymath of
piffle, a fountain of bull-shit.
He is entirely capable of being utterly and foolishly in the wrong in
a half-dozen areas at the same time -- his errancy never fails him!
ward
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
"The default condition for a citizen in our republic is that
he is FREE to act as he will. He is NOT to be restricted by
prejudices and animosity amongst his neighbors -- if THEY
wish to restrain him from his freedom, THEY must demonstrate
the public interest in so restricting him."
Uncle Ward
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Mike Silverman
> Again, gay cruise ships are about one thing and one thing alone -- sex.
Do you speak from personal experience, having attended such cruises yourself?
--
Mike Silverman
cub...@cjnetworks.com
Mike Silverman
> > In article <69g0p9$8...@havea.min.net>, ba...@havea.min.net (BARD) wrote:
> >
> > > Well, they are. Produce one gay response that is judgemental if you can.
> > > I've reviewed the responses from the gay community and every single one
> > > supports the boycott against the Cayman Islands -- not one makes any
> > > mention of the validity of the charges (inappropriate behavior).
> >
> > That is because these charges have been disproven and are nothing more than
> > rumor and hearsay.
>
>
> What has been disproven, you bonehead?
The charges you brought up regarding th ebehavior of gays and cruise ships,
silly.
--
Mike Silverman
cub...@cjnetworks.com
Rev. Billy
wfon...@nn.arg (Jeff Barlow) wrote:
>In article <69jv23$9...@havea.min.net>, ba...@havea.min.net (BARD) wrote:
>> Again, gay cruise ships are about one thing and one thing alone -- sex.
>Subject: Re: Producers should recruit these Japanese starlets
>From: ba...@havea.min.net (BARD)
>Date: 1997/12/29
>Message-ID: <rame.883426208p30591@bash>
>Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies.erotica
>Just an off the wall comment that may be of some small interest. When I
>was a kid serving in Vietnam I'm sure I screwed a different girl every
>day.....We were all like this.
Now Bard, were you 40 in December 1997, or did you serve in
Vietnam?
Which, if any, is the real truth?
>Bard: Yes, to both. I was a drummer boy with the 101st Airborn.
At 14 ???????
In late 1971 and early 1972, the101st withdrew from Vietnam and
returned to the United States. It was the last United States Army
division to leave the combat zone in Vietnam.
Official homecoming ceremonies on 6 April 1972 at Fort Campbell.
http://www.chesapeake.net/~fuzz/vietnam.html
101st Airborne Division (Air Assault) Home Page
Ezekiel Krahlin
On 13 Jan 1998 10:09:57 -0500, ba...@havea.min.net (BARD) said:
>The debauchery that happens on gay cruise ships is well known. While the
>ship is at sea an orgy on water takes place, which is the whole point to
>leasing the boat -- unrestricted sex. Then when the boat docks, the idea
>is to go ashore and continue the fun. This in a nutshell is what gay
>cruise ships are all about.
if onlly all homophobes were like you: so transparent in their
jealously of the gay mystique, and so weak in their opposition, basing
everything on hollow gossip...gay liberation would have been achieved
before the invention of the steam locomotive!
>BARD
Mispelling: the "D" above should be "F"
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Make it sin to *not waste seed!
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Ezekiel Krahlin
On 14 Jan 1998 21:39:03 -0500, ba...@havea.min.net (BARD) said:
>Floronius, seconded on special duties,
>soldier of Legion VII, was here and the
>women didn't recognize him, all but a few,
>that is, and they succumbed on the spot.
>*************************************************************************
Samuel I 18:1-4
And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul,
that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and
Jonathan loved him as his own soul.
And Saul took him that day, and would let him go no more home to
his father's house.
Then Jonathan and David made a covenant, because he loved him as
his own soul.
And Jonathan stripped himself of the robe that was upon him, and
gave it to David, and his garments, even to his sword, and to his bow,
and to his girdle.
Samuel II 1:26
I am distressed for thee, my brother Jonathan: very pleasant hast thou
been unto me: thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women.
And I add:
Jesus himself never married nor had children. And the
Judaeo-Christian-Muslim God is the only God of any religion who has
neither female spouse nor concubine.
---
The legalization of hetero marriage has opened the
doors to bestiality, pedophilia, child abuse, and
other godless atrocities. End this now!
Ezekiel Krahlin
On 13 Jan 1998 10:09:57 -0500, ba...@havea.min.net (BARD) said:
>The debauchery that happens on gay cruise ships is well known.
Well known? By whom? Surely, if so well know, than you could easily
quote one or two reliable news sources. The fact that you do not, is
instantaneous evidence that you are a liar. C'mon, prove me wrong,
buddy, and quote your sources. I'm waiting!
The only thing that is "well known" here, is homophobes' penchant for
debasing and bashing homosexuals every chance they get. This is but
one of an infinitely long string of examples of anti-gay hate speech.
Such hate talk is outlawed in just about every Western-style democracy
in the world, excluding the U.S. But Amerikkka will eventually catch
up, and your goose wil be cooked.
>While the
>ship is at sea an orgy on water takes place, which is the whole point to
>leasing the boat -- unrestricted sex.
Wishful thinking, at best. You don't sound outraged; you sound
jealous! Gay cruise trips are every bit as boring as straight
ones...just friendlier, healthier, and a lot less hostile. Were such
orgies going on, the ships responsible for this behavior would swiftly
be returned to port and put in mothballs. Furthermore, we are still
looking at parties of consenting adults, and therefore perfectly
legal...even if there were these orgies going on. But they're not, I
assure you. Why not go on one of these cruises, and spy on gay
activities, to see for yourself? Just don't bend over! (Or you'll be
booted overboard, and fed to the sharks.)
>Then when the boat docks, the idea
>is to go ashore and continue the fun. This in a nutshell is what gay
>cruise ships are all about.
Again, we are only considering consenting adults. Any gay looking for
sex will find it with another gay (and consenting) partner. No
different than randy hets, except for the touch of humanity that
straights lack in such activities.
Besides which, sex *is fun...Got a problem with that?
>---
>Let's secede from those who breed,
>Make it sin to *not waste seed!
Ezekiel Krahlin
On 13 Jan 1998 10:09:57 -0500, ba...@havea.min.net (BARD) said:
>>> Clearly, if the gay rights movement had any integrity at all --
Clearly, it does...and not just integrity, but class. Unlike your kind
(homophobic trash).
>>> if the members of this group had any integrity at all -- they'd condemn
>>> gays who do what cruise ship gays do.
Here is a news update, which is not the kind of outcome Barf cares for
(that is: a pro-gay outcome, with gay travellers showing more class
than most heteros.).
---begin news article
Cruise OK in Belize, UK Confab
NewsPlanet Staff
Wednesday, February 4, 1998 / 02:27 PM
SUMMARY: Some Belizeans were holding their breaths before the gay
snorkelers arrived, but all went well. Meanwhile, the Caymans and
other territories are finding out that the UK's international treaties
apply to them, too.
The gay cruise that was turned away from the Cayman Islands in fear of
"inappropriate behavior" landed in the independent country of Belize
with only token protest, but in a meeting today Britain will urge the
Caymans and its other overseas territories to repeal their sodomy
laws.
Despite many published letters and phone calls to both media and
government officials in opposition, according to an informal report
from an observer there was only a small and peaceful protest by
sign-carrying church groups as the Atlantis Events, Inc. gay cruise on
the Norwegian Cruise Line's "Leeward" docked in Belize on February 1.
The cruise was also met by welcoming government officials and security
escorts. Cruise participants had a good time snorkeling and
sightseeing all through Belize City without incident. The witness
said there was some surprise that the gay men "looked like men"
instead of appearing in drag.
The treatment of gays and lesbians in not only the Cayman Islands, but
also in its fellow British Overseas Territories which criminalize
private non-commercial sex acts between consenting adults of the same
gender -- Anguilla, the British Virgin Islands, Montserrat, and the
Turks and Caicos Islands -- is one key issue to be addressed as
Britain's Foreign Secretary Robin Cook meets with the Dependent
Territories Association today in London. In his keynote speech, Cook
is expected to say that while the U.K. does not want to "turn them
into mirror images of Britain," he will urge the U.K.'s 13 territories
(the others are Bermuda, British Antarctic Territory, British Indian
Ocean Territory, the Falkland (Malvinas) Islands, Gibraltar, Pitcairn
Islands, St Helena and dependencies, South Georgia and the South
Sandwich Islands) to abide by Britain's international treaty
obligations, including ending capital punishment and reforming sodomy
laws.
One unnamed source told London's "Independent" newspaper that
legalizing homosexual acts would be "dynamite" and "political suicide"
because of strong church opposition and prevailing public opinion
against reform; the source indicated that the territories have been
increasingly angered on the question but have been delaying protest
until hearing what Cook has to say.
---end news article
---
Hetero women prefer trained gerbils
over their male partners.
Chad Lautner
> NewsPlanet Staff
> Wednesday, February 4, 1998 / 02:27 PM
>
> SUMMARY:
> said there was some surprise that the gay men "looked like men"
> instead of appearing in drag.
Well this is what is making Buchanan and his minions tremble: the truth.
When people come into contact with the average Bruce Q Public, they note
how "normal" he is. The more people come out, and are known to be
average, and gay (even with a touch of FABulousness stuffed in), the
less bigotry will persist. Remember that are fight for the hearts and
soul of America lie not with the sanctamonious swill that permiate this
newsgroup, but the moderates.
<Secret Gaynet decoder rings required (ROT13)>
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The only evidence against evolution are its opponents.
Ward Stewart
>
>The gay cruise that was turned away from the Cayman Islands in fear of
>"inappropriate behavior" landed in the independent country of Belize
>with only token protest, but in a meeting today Britain will urge the
>Caymans and its other overseas territories to repeal their sodomy
>laws.
It is interesting that a group of surely fraudulent "Casino" websites
where there would appear to be gambling going on, fraudulent gambling,
have been threatened and have popped up from the Cayman Islands as a
convenient shield for their crooked scams.