[F] AFP Videomeet 1.0 VHS Report
Patrick Dersjant
't was a meet, so there has to be a report...
Present:
Patrick, Jos, Eelco, Michel, Kimberley.
After arriving at my place, the first activity of the evening
consisted of careful listening to Jos' Teletubbies CD-single. This
masterpiece of art formed a perect introduction to Things That Should
Be, the first of which was to make a selection from the menu of the
local Klatchian. That selection was, by lack of paper, stored in the
ever present Psion, and carried to the Klatchian Takeaway by myself
and Jos. (If there were any important things happening in my absence,
except for Kimberley arriving, can anybody tell me???) The Klatchian
was not yet familiar with customers reading their orders from a Psion,
but was friendly anyway. Soon the specialties[1] were carried back and
eaten.
But first, the all-important task of blowing up some balloons to
celebrate Kimberley's Birthday took place, under much laughter &
merriness.
With dinner being served, the most important act of the evening took
place: the watching of the Soul Music Video's, including PTerry's
interview. This meant that there wasn't much of the usual conversation
- just tidbits...
Some highlights of the evening (incomplete because of lack of notes):
- The Sticking of balloons to the ceiling during Part 2 of the PTerry
interview
- PTerry's pronunciation of 'R'
- Signed Books vs unsigned books[2]
- short IRC session during the interval, in which Kimberley was warned
agains Jos' arms...
There wasn't a lot of discussion afterwards, as people had to rush to
get the last train/bus out... (Which lead to the discussion when the
last train from Leiden to Delft was running- IIRC it was at about 8pm
on the 31/12, to start again at 1am on 1/1, as that is the only gap
the dutch railways leave in their schedule).
The meet (un)fortunately left me with a huge quantity of beer, which
was supposed to be quaffed during the video. Alas. I'll have to
organize another one, it seems :)
Patrick Dersjant
[1] For those that are interested: Nasi Goreng & Babi Pangang, Bami
Goreng & Sate, Tjap Tjoy & Bami, Foe Yong Hai & Nasi, Kroepoek
[2] I pride myself in having an (almost)[3] complete _unsigned_
collection of PTerry's works...
[3] I'm still missing THe unadulterated cat
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Kimberley Verburg
On Sun, 04 Jan 1998 19:16:24 GMT, Patrick Dersjant reported:
>'t was a meet, so there has to be a report...
>
>Present:
>Patrick, Jos, Eelco, Michel, Kimberley.
^^^^^
Correction: It was Jeroen Metselaar who graced us with his company that
evening. :)
>After arriving at my place, the first activity of the evening
>consisted of careful listening to Jos' Teletubbies CD-single.
I missed this musical tour de force as I was late (forewarned was
forearmed in this case.) The rest of you can blame Mr. Mike Knell for
placing the aforementioned object in Jos' possession. :)
>But first, the all-important task of blowing up some balloons to
>celebrate Kimberley's Birthday took place, under much laughter &
>merriness.
And with much embarrassment and hyperventilation as Jos handed me the only
two defect balloons in the pack.
>Some highlights of the evening (incomplete because of lack of notes):
>- The Sticking of balloons to the ceiling during Part 2 of the PTerry
>interview
That'll teach me to wear a pure wool jersey to an afp meet.
>- PTerry's pronunciation of 'R'
And I quote: "Pterry speaks with a Leshp" - Patrick
>- short IRC session during the interval, in which Kimberley was warned
>agains Jos' arms...
Which upon examination appeared fairly normal, although I was also
referred to someone's female colleague who had attended the Amsterdam
OOB-meet. Hmmm, what was her name again.....? ;-)
>The meet (un)fortunately left me with a huge quantity of beer, which
>was supposed to be quaffed during the video. Alas. I'll have to
>organize another one, it seems :)
I think that everyone was too busy eating the chocolate covered things
that our genial host had so thoughtfully provided. I'm glad that New
Year's Resolutions aren't a common practice in NL, mine would never have
survived under the onslaught of all that chocolate.
--
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To find out more about the weird and wonderful works of Terry Prachett, go
to http://www.lspace.org/ The FAQs for afp and abp are also there.
Eelco Giele
> Present:
> Patrick, Jos, Eelco, Michel, Kimberley.
^^^^^
Now you are just being cruel. I couldn't make it in time (cars have
their limits[1]) and now your rubbing it in.
<snip>
> The meet (un)fortunately left me with a huge quantity of beer,
> which was supposed to be quaffed during the video. Alas. I'll have
> to organize another one, it seems :)
That seems a perfect solution. You loose some beer, I get to see the
video and the present-ness is allright too :)
> Patrick Dersjant
Greetings, Eelco
[1] Coming back from holiday [2] and parents to stupid to understand
they should get out of their bed at 3:30 am so I can make it to the
meet. ob cars: it doesn't go any faster then 150 km/h (downhill[3]). I
know, I tried.
[2] Yes yes yes, I shouldn't complain.
[3] Uphill I'm glad if it makes 110.
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Marina
Eelco Giele wrote:
>
> [1] Coming back from holiday [2] and parents to stupid to understand
> they should get out of their bed at 3:30 am so I can make it to the
> meet. ob cars: it doesn't go any faster then 150 km/h (downhill[3]). I
> know, I tried.
> [2] Yes yes yes, I shouldn't complain.
> [3] Uphill I'm glad if it makes 110.
What hills? You're in *Holland*, man.
Marina
Eelco Giele
<points up at the holiday part> Yep. But it Austria and Germany there
are many a mountain. Driving from Austria to the Netherlands [1] you
see a lot of Germany [2]. Especially Bayern with its nice three-lane
[3] "Autobahnen" with a minimum speed when going uphill is fun to
drive through.
Greetings, Eelco
[1] I do _not_ live in Holland :)
[2] About 800 km.
[3] 3 for each direction, it is probably called 6-lane or something.
Jos Dingjan
[Random snippings have happened]
Patrick Dersjant wrote:
>
> 't was a meet, so there has to be a report...
>
> Present:
> Patrick, Jos, Eelco, Michel, Kimberley.
Umm, others've commented on this, but I haven't seen the correct lineup
yet. Those present were: Patrick, Michel (a.k.a. Cybercat), Jeroen M.,
Kimberley (a.k.a. Sierra) and me (a.k.a. lotsofthings, I believe..)
<snip: Klatchian takeaway>
> local Klatchian. That selection was, by lack of paper, stored in the
> ever present Psion, and carried to the Klatchian Takeaway by myself
> and Jos. (If there were any important things happening in my absence,
And *why* can't they understand the numbers? "We want a 38, a 57, a 21
and a 42" (numbers chosen at random here, I don't remember the exact
ones. Patrick?) Lady: "What? Oh, err <looks at menu> <decyphers> [...]".
Sheesh...
> But first, the all-important task of blowing up some balloons to
> celebrate Kimberley's Birthday took place, under much laughter &
> merriness.
And sticking 'em to the ceiling with the help of this brilliant physical
phenomenon (do doo dododo) known as static electricity (and no, I didn't
even think of that first :).
> Some highlights of the evening (incomplete because of lack of notes):
> - The Sticking of balloons to the ceiling during Part 2 of the PTerry
> interview
Actually the *re*sticking of the balloons. Funnily enough the *red*
balloons started dropping off first. Weird.
Another interesting thing that came up was laughing-with-an-accent.
Kimberley noticed that Patrick even *laughed* with an Irish accent...
> get the last train/bus out... (Which lead to the discussion when the
> last train from Leiden to Delft was running- IIRC it was at about 8pm
> on the 31/12, to start again at 1am on 1/1, as that is the only gap
> the dutch railways leave in their schedule).
Or otherwise around the time the NS decide to demolish the station in
either Leiden or Delft...
TTFN, Jos
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Jeroen Metselaar
Kimberley Verburg heeft geschreven in bericht
<34b4eb0b...@news.lspace.org>...
>On Sun, 04 Jan 1998 19:16:24 GMT, Patrick Dersjant reported:
>
>>'t was a meet, so there has to be a report...
>>
>>Present:
>>Patrick, Jos, Eelco, Michel, Kimberley.
> ^^^^^
>Correction: It was Jeroen Metselaar who graced us with his company that
>evening. :)
She saw me, She saw me. GOSH!!!!
Jeroen 'Poor Ickle Flower' Metselaar
Jeroen Metselaar
Eelco Giele heeft geschreven in bericht <68p57l$a...@tuegate.tue.nl>...
>Patrick Dersjant <a...@ireland.demon.nl> wrote:
>> 't was a meet, so there has to be a report...
>
>> Present:
>> Patrick, Jos, Eelco, Michel, Kimberley.
> ^^^^^
>Now you are just being cruel. I couldn't make it in time (cars have
>their limits[1]) and now your rubbing it in.
Right, and he forgot me. <sniff>
Patrick Dersjant
Jeroen Metselaar wrote:
>
> Kimberley Verburg heeft geschreven in bericht
> <34b4eb0b...@news.lspace.org>...
> >On Sun, 04 Jan 1998 19:16:24 GMT, Patrick Dersjant reported:
> >
> >>
> >>Present:
> >>Patrick, Jos, Eelco, Michel, Kimberley.
> > ^^^^^
> >evening. :)
>
> She saw me, She saw me. GOSH!!!!
But I seemingly didn't. GOSH !!!!
Patrick
Patrick Dersjant
Jos Dingjan wrote:
>
> [Random snippings have happened]
<more than once...>
> <snip: Klatchian takeaway>
> > local Klatchian. That selection was, by lack of paper, stored in the
> > ever present Psion, and carried to the Klatchian Takeaway by myself
> > and Jos. (If there were any important things happening in my absence,
>
> And *why* can't they understand the numbers? "We want a 38, a 57, a 21
> and a 42" (numbers chosen at random here, I don't remember the exact
> ones. Patrick?) Lady: "What? Oh, err <looks at menu> <decyphers> [...]".
> Sheesh...
't was a 67 with nasi
a 38 with bami
a 83 with nasi
and a 89 with bami
as well as nr. 18.
This she had to decipher into dutch, look it up on the menu, and
re-encode it into chine^H^H^H^H^Hklatchian.
> > But first, the all-important task of blowing up some balloons to
> > celebrate Kimberley's Birthday took place, under much laughter &
> > merriness.
>
> And sticking 'em to the ceiling with the help of this brilliant physical
> phenomenon (do doo dododo) known as static electricity (and no, I didn't
> even think of that first :).
Of which 2 where still hanging there the next morning. One of them
being the (only) long one w/o the pear shape).
> > Some highlights of the evening (incomplete because of lack of notes):
> > - The Sticking of balloons to the ceiling during Part 2 of the PTerry
> > interview
>
> Actually the *re*sticking of the balloons. Funnily enough the *red*
> balloons started dropping off first. Weird.
Oh yes, the two balloons still hanging on my ceiling are yellow.
> Another interesting thing that came up was laughing-with-an-accent.
> Kimberley noticed that Patrick even *laughed* with an Irish accent...
To which I had to blush (and I dunno in which language I did that).
Patrick Dersjant
o dai wai
Patrick Dersjant:
>... the first of which was to make a selection from the menu of the
>local Klatchian.
>[1] For those that are interested: Nasi Goreng & Babi Pangang, Bami
>Goreng & Sate, Tjap Tjoy & Bami, Foe Yong Hai & Nasi, Kroepoek
Hmmm, so you've got a local Malay/Indonesian/Singaporean restaurant rather than
an Indian. Is this usual for .nl?
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Natural keyboard.
o dai wai
Eelco Giele:
>...three-lane[3] "Autobahnen"...
>[3] 3 for each direction, it is probably called 6-lane or something.
Dual 3 Motorway (D3M), if you want to be technical.
Jos Dingjan
o dai wai wrote:
<snip>
> >[1] For those that are interested: Nasi Goreng & Babi Pangang, Bami
> >Goreng & Sate, Tjap Tjoy & Bami, Foe Yong Hai & Nasi, Kroepoek
>
> Hmmm, so you've got a local Malay/Indonesian/Singaporean restaurant
> rather than an Indian. Is this usual for .nl?
Yup. Indian restaurants are pretty rare in the NL, or at least far rarer
than Chinese/Indonesian restaurants. Proper Chinese restaurants are also
hard to find, alost all are of the "we know it better and it should be a
*mix* of those two and who's jolly well been the boss in your country,
no?" (okay, only applies for Indonesia. But that explains why the UK has
Indian and us Indonesian..)
Bill Sloman
Eelco Giele wrote:
> > What hills? You're in *Holland*, man.
>
> <points up at the holiday part> Yep. But it Austria and Germany there
> are many a mountain. Driving from Austria to the Netherlands [1]
>
> [1] I do _not_ live in Holland :)
Holland and North Holland are two provinces of the Netherlands.They contain
Amsterdam and Den Hague, and were amongst the
first to get out from under Spanish rule, but there are a number of
other provinces. Utrecht, Gelderland, Friesland and Brabant come
to mind.
Referring to the Netherlands as "Holland" is comparable with
referring to Great Britain as "England". And the Dutch, and
in particular the Friesians, are much taller than the Scots
and Welsh (and it seem safer to include the Northern Irish)!
So mind your head!
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen, Gelderland, The Netherlands
Jos Dingjan
Pedantry time...
Bill Sloman wrote:
> Holland and North Holland are two provinces of the Netherlands.They
Err, surely you mean "South and North Holland"?
> contain Amsterdam and Den Hague, and were amongst the
Make up your mind. "Den Haag" or "The Hague" :)
> referring to Great Britain as "England". And the Dutch, and
> in particular the Friesians, are much taller than the Scots
> and Welsh (and it seem safer to include the Northern Irish)!
> So mind your head!
Mind your head? I thought we'd compensated for being taller by going
down? After all, nearly half of the NL is below sealevel...
Patrick Dersjant
On Mon, 05 Jan 1998 13:46:00 +0100, Patrick Dersjant
<pat...@ireland.demon.nl> created:
>> Actually the *re*sticking of the balloons. Funnily enough the *red*
>> balloons started dropping off first. Weird.
>
>Oh yes, the two balloons still hanging on my ceiling are yellow.
>
I will keep you informed about the time they fall - they still stick
to my ceiling. We have passed the 45 hours mark and are on course for
50 hours at 2200 hours GMT this evening :)
Patrick Dersjant
Cybercat
>On Sun, 04 Jan 1998 19:16:24 GMT, Patrick Dersjant reported:
>
>>'t was a meet, so there has to be a report...
>>
>>Present:
>>Patrick, Jos, Eelco, Michel, Kimberley.
> ^^^^^
>Correction: It was Jeroen Metselaar who graced us with his company that
>evening. :)
>
Hey, you're using a proportional font there. Now it looks like I
wasn't there. (The ^^^^^ are under my name but should be under
Eeelco's)
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Bill Sloman
Jos Dingjan wrote:
> Pedantry time...
>
> Bill Sloman wrote:
> > Holland and North Holland are two provinces of the Netherlands.They
>
> Err, surely you mean "South and North Holland"?
Probably - I was taught geography in Tasmania, and some of the finedetails
of the northern hemisphere failed to stick. The bit about
the sun being in the south in the northern hemisphere has given me
trouble from time to time.
> > contain Amsterdam and Den Hague, and were amongst the
>
> Make up your mind. "Den Haag" or "The Hague" :)
I'll opt for Den Haag. Must put in more time on my Dutch too
> > referring to Great Britain as "England". And the Dutch, and
> > in particular the Friesians, are much taller than the Scots
> > and Welsh (and it seem safer to include the Northern Irish)!
> > So mind your head!
>
> Mind your head? I thought we'd compensated for being taller by going
> down? After all, nearly half of the NL is below sealevel...
I had imagined a bus-load or two of Dutch provincials invading some
English upper-floor flat, *many* feet above sea-level.
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
Bill Sloman
o dai wai wrote:
> Patrick Dersjant:
> >... the first of which was to make a selection from the menu of the
> >local Klatchian.
>
> >[1] For those that are interested: Nasi Goreng & Babi Pangang, Bami
> >Goreng & Sate, Tjap Tjoy & Bami, Foe Yong Hai & Nasi, Kroepoek
>
> Hmmm, so you've got a local Malay/Indonesian/Singaporean restaurant rather than
> an Indian. Is this usual for .nl?
Nijmegen has a Thai/Chinese/Indonesian restaurant, which has great decor, like most
Dutch restaurants, and unremarkable food. There are also a couple of Indian, and a
very good and pretty cheap Cantonese. I've never seen a Malay or Singaporean
restaurant anywhere in the Netherlands (which doesn't mean much), but since neither
was ever a Dutch colony this doesn't surprise me. Why we've got "Indians" I'll
never
know, but presumably the couple of villages in Bangla Desh who staff 90% of British
Indian restaurants have found new worlds to conquer.
So the answer would seems to be "no", at least for the west of .nl.
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
rap...@research.canon.com.au
Jos Dingjan <j...@hfwork1.tn.tudelft.nl> writes:
>Indian restaurants are far rarer than Chinese/Indonesian restaurants.
>The UK has Indian and us Indonesian.
As an inhabitant of another nation with a fine selection of Indonesian
restaurants, I've wondered why the translation of Pterry's works into
Dutch uses roti to translate curry (as described in the Discworld
Companion) and not, say, rendang. (If there's a Surinam restaurant
within 100 km, I'm unaware of it.)
Leo Breebaart
rap...@research.canon.com.au writes:
> As an inhabitant of another nation with a fine selection of Indonesian
> restaurants, I've wondered why the translation of Pterry's works into
> Dutch uses roti to translate curry (as described in the Discworld
> Companion) and not, say, rendang.
Probably because roti is an Indian dish in origin (its primary spice being
masala), and therefore maps more closely to curry than rendang would. Half
of the population of Suriname consists of 'Hindoestanen' -- descendants of
Indian wage-labourers (is that the right word?) brought over from India
early this century in an attempt by the Dutch government to keep the
plantations going after they were forced to abolish slavery of the creole
population. Roti is *the* canonical "Hindoestaans gerecht" in Suriname's
culinary tradition.
Personally I think that rendang would probably have been a much more
sensible translation. I fear the translator was, as usual for him, trying
to be *too* clever, and as a result got it all, with the best intentions no
doubt, horribly wrong.
To begin with, the Discworld Companion says:
"...I could murder a..." in the sense of "I could really enjoy
a..." makes no sense in Dutch.
No, it doesn't, but there is a perfectly valuable alternative, namely
IK ZOU EEN MOORD DOEN VOOR EEN...
which translates to "I could commit a murder for a...", means exactly the
same thing, and is not only a perfectly normal, commonly used Dutch idiom,
but also keeps the 'MURDER' joke -- I have never understood how the
translator could have overlooked this (or would not have wanted to use it,
if he hadn't).
Next, as Raphael already pointed out, Surinamese dishes are not *nearly* as
widely known as Indonesian dishes, so in that respect, too, the choice is
unfortunate.
The spelling 'rotti' doesn't help either: it's almost always spelled
'roti', and furthermore nobody would *ever* say "een bord roti" ("a plate
of roti") -- don't ask me why, but you just don't. So "een bord rotti"
rings doubly false. Oh, and the Discworld Companion also claims that
"'Rotti', like curry, is very hot stuff", to which I can only answer: "no,
it's not, where the heck did he get *that* silly idea?". It's hot in the
sense that the Surinamese like to put hot sauce or chutney or pepers on
*everything* they eat, including roti. The dish itself isn't hot at all.
You can imagine how disappointed I was that of all the things the DC could
have chosen to illustrate the translator's cleverness, it had to choose
this gruesomely botched example...
--
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Elocutus of Borg
In article <68tckt$6...@mama.research.canon.com.au>,
rap...@research.canon.com.au wrote:
>
> Jos Dingjan <j...@hfwork1.tn.tudelft.nl> writes:
> >Indian restaurants are far rarer than Chinese/Indonesian restaurants.
> >The UK has Indian and us Indonesian.
>
> restaurants, I've wondered why the translation of Pterry's works into
> Dutch uses roti to translate curry (as described in the Discworld
> within 100 km, I'm unaware of it.)
I don't know, but in NYC, I get curry from Indian restaurants and roti
from Burmese ones, where I can also get a good shag.[1]
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RobH...@compuserve.com
On 1998-01-07 Elocutu...@hotmail.com said:
>I don't know, but in NYC, I get curry from Indian restaurants and
>roti from Burmese ones, where I can also get a good shag.[1]
>--Elocutus
You eat *cormorants* ?!!! <g,d & r>
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Bill Sloman
RobH...@Compuserve.com wrote:
> On 1998-01-07 Elocutu...@hotmail.com said:
> >I don't know, but in NYC, I get curry from Indian restaurants and
> >roti from Burmese ones, where I can also get a good shag.[1]
> >--Elocutus
>
> You eat *cormorants* ?!!! <g,d & r>
Eats anything, loves children [1]. Thinks "A modest proposal" is part of
New Labour's manifesto ....
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
[1] Pre-loved joke, only used by little old lady at church on Sundays.
No reasonable offer refused.