Hope for Gays and Lesbians
Ezekiel Krahlin
On Thu, 20 Mar 1997 23:59:33 -0800, Mark Burmeister
<pe...@deskmedia.com> said:
>Keys Ministry, offering a Christian program of hope and help for gays
>and lesbians, now has a site on the web at www.keysministry.com. The
>site is full of information about the program and resources for those
>looking for help.
I recommend a far more healing site for proudly Gay people...my own
site, called:
Ezekiel Krahlin's Home Page For Our Hellenic Family
http://www.fog.net/ekrahlin
It makes no apologies for being homosexual...in fact, my web page
celebrates the sterling love between Jesus and His Father: a proudly
gay pair of lovers, one of whom was crucified by the heterosexist
ignorance of certain groups during that era.
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Ezekiel Krahlin
>Keys Ministry, offering a Christian program of hope and help for gays
>and lesbians, now has a site on the web at www.keysministry.com. The
>site is full of information about the program and resources for those
>looking for help.
I checked it out...it's nothing more than another scam to make money
off the backs of an oppressed people: Hellenes (gay folk). Their
page cares not one whit about us...just our wallets. They mimic
traditional gay colors: pink, purple, and rainbows scattered on their
pages. Real cutesy like. Imagine the gate to hell adorned like the
entrance to Candyland, and you'll get what I mean.
I encourage all Lesbians and Thracians to check it out...as it is not
only important to know what the enemy is up to...it's a gas! Why not
fill out your confessions on their questionnaires now! The mischief
potentiomometer swings right off the dial!
Dave in Phoenix
NationO...@NuWorld.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) wrote:
>On Thu, 20 Mar 1997 23:59:33 -0800, Mark Burmeister
><pe...@deskmedia.com> said:
>>Keys Ministry, offering a Christian program of hope and help for gays
>>and lesbians, now has a site on the web at www.keysministry.com. The
>>site is full of information about the program and resources for those
>>looking for help.
>
>I checked it out...it's nothing more than another scam to make money
>off the backs of an oppressed people: Hellenes (gay folk). Their
>page cares not one whit about us...just our wallets. They mimic
>traditional gay colors: pink, purple, and rainbows scattered on their
>pages. Real cutesy like. Imagine the gate to hell adorned like the
>entrance to Candyland, and you'll get what I mean.
I agree any "ministry" that thinks it can change people is a farse, based on
lies and deceptions. The terrible results of trying to change sexual
orientation is well documented.
It's not possible to change someone's sexual orientation, but it is possible
to make them miserable over it. Fundamentalists play on the spiritually and
emotionally wounded. Using the tenets of born-again fundamentalism, they
try auto convince dissatisfied homosexuals - usually young gay men just
coming out who are stressed out by family pressure and society's intolerance
-that they can change by suppressing their orientation.
The Fundamentalists prey on people who are unhappy. what they can't see or
won't admit is that they themselves are the sources of this very unhappiness
they claim to be treating.
Countless people have been misled by ex-gay ministries into believing that
sexual orientation can be changed, only to find, even years later, that they
had found only temporary happiness in the delusion that they had changed.
These "ex-gays" no longer call themselves gay but continue to have same-sex
feelings, dreams and arousal. Add to that the pain of many spouses of these
individuals who thought they had married a heterosexual.
Anyone can suppress one's feelings and live a lie, for a time, but it
doesn't work in the long run. Besides, living a lies doesn't seem like much
of a Christian ethic. I've known dozens of gay men who at one time or
another were pressured or lured into the fundamentalist-run ex-gay movement
and all it caused them was more pain. No one I know ever changed. Not only
that, no gay person I've ever met has known anyone who changed.
When you look at someone trying to be an "ex-gay" what you find are rather
sad, desperate people playing mind games and semantics, no "cures" or
lasting changes. The whole motivation behind the movement to change gays is
political - fundamentalist and conservative politics dressed up in a lab
coat.
The American Psychological Association (750 1st Street NE, Washington DC
20002-4242, Telephone 202-336-5700) has published a free booklet "Answers To
Your Questions About Sexual Orientation And Homosexuality" I recommend it
highly to anyone who wants unbiased information on this to
The above from: THE DAILY DISPATCH, Moline, Ill.
August 3,1995, Guest column by William Stosine
Many Realize the Absurdity Of Curing Gays
Changing Homosexuality - Atlantic Monthly March 1993
After many terrible attempts at "curing" homosexuals Kinsey showed
homosexuality to be surprisingly common across lines of family, class and
education. Kinsey for many years tried to find patients who had been
converted by therapy and was surprised they could not find one whose sexual
orientation had been changed. When they interviewed persons who claimed
they have been changed they found that all were simply suppressing
homosexual behavior...and they used homosexual fantasies to maintain potency
when they attempted intercourse. One man claimed that, although he had once
actively homosexual, he had now "cut out all of that and don't even think of
men - except when I masturbate."
In 1956 in Chicago a psychologist Evelyn Hooker was puzzled about her
training of gayness as a emotional problem when she had a gay friend who
seemed quite healthy and well adjusted. She received a grant from the Natl
Inst of Health to study a group of gay men who had never had emotional
therapy and a similar heterosexual control group. She was prepared to
conclude the gay men were not as well adjusted as they appeared. Hooker did
extensive psychological tests on both groups in a blind study and gave the
unidentified results to three eminent psychologists. One, Bruno Klopfer was
convinced he would find the gay men by the tests. As it turned out, none of
the three could tell from all the tests which were gay. They were
indistinguishable, demonstrating an equal distribution of pathology and
mental health. Her study was the first of many that followed which led to
the ending of the APAs treating gayness as a disease in the 1970s.
The article discusses the brain studies including the critical statements of
Anne Fausto a Brown University geneticist. The article was written before
the latest gene marker finding which Ms Fausto has been quoted as being
sound science. The articles discusses genital adrenal hyperplasia examining
the effects of prenatal sex hormones and luteinizing-hormone feedback.
Studies seem to support that this can cause especially lesbianism. The
article is a comprehensive study of recognized scientific biological and
psychological studies before the latest gene study which provides more
confirming evidence. CONCLUSION - Five decades of psychiatric evidence
demonstrates that homosexuality is immutable, and non pathological, and
growing evidence is implicating biology as the primary cause of
homosexuality. How can one justify discrimination against people on the
basis of such a characteristic? Science can show the whys of homosexuality,
but not answer the more important questions involving human rights, human
freedom, human tolerance and love. It is such a pity that sincere
homosexuals, many of them Christian have to go through the terrible pains of
a society that still thinks homosexuality is more like Epilepsy which was
regarded in Biblical times as demon possession - but not a disease, a
natural orientation. Soon it will be clear homosexuality is a natural God
given orientation that should be uplifted as Gods creation not judged based
on scriptures falsely interpreted that have absolutely nothing to do with
condemning homosexual orientation or behavior.
Christian Abuse
Trying to Change Natural Sexual Orientation WSJ Article 4/21/93
A gay man is agonizing over his inability to overcome his so called
"homosexual sin". He cries saying he has begged God to free him by
surrounding himself with Christians and spending time in a in-patient
treatments program but nothing has worked. The Christians suggest its a
matter of choice and controlling the flesh, or maybe he is demonic
possession. "I just want God to accept me," he finally says.
Many mental-health professionals and former members of "change" groups warn
that almost nobody's sexual orientation truly changes and that the road from
homosexuality to attempted heterosexuality is littered with failure and
suffering. Instead of God's love they find self-hate, failed attempted
"normal" marriages, and suicide after they become so distraught over not
being able to "cure" themselves. The change movement is destroying peoples
lives trying to make homosexuals become something they aren't.
The articles tells of many who have tried to live a lie as to their true
sexual orientation and failed. "I think it's the greatest abuse of
psychiatry in America today," says Dr Isay, who is a Cornell Medical College
professor and chairman of the American Psychiatric Association's gay,
lesbian and bisexual issues committee. "The attempt to change is extremely
harmful." he says.
Sadly many who turn to conversion ministries get a life of continued guilt
and despair. It's no wonder that 30% of gay teenagers attempt suicide when
faced with this kind of guilt- instilling and self-loathing education. May
God save His suffering gay children from the abuse and despair brought on by
the well-intentioned, albeit ignorant and destructive, efforts of uninformed
Christians and groups like Quest and Exodus.
Here is sample of material that de-bunks the "ex-gay" claims of groups like
Exodus. "Ex- Gays? There Are None" by Sylvia Pennington who worked for a
"deliverance" ministry, but became convinced that it doesn't work nor does
God demand it. The book is documented in great detail and discusses the
Colin Cook/Homosexuals Anonymous scandal. PBS also has shown the absurdity
of curing gays and the Psychobabble gone psycho trying to falsely try and
make it a emotional problem. It discusses former ex-gays such as the
Founders of Exodus preaching the change myth, until they fell in love with
each other. This might be funny, except we find little humor in the
brainwashing tactics Exodus uses.
"The REAL Changes Taking Place" by Ralph Blair article in "Open Hands" the
journal of the Reconciling Congregations Program of the United Methodist
Church documents the failure of the ex-gay movement. The few that do change
probably were never naturally homosexual to start. The biggest abuse is
that of twisting scripture to make natural homosexuality appear to be a sin,
confusing it with pederasty, which is what the Bible speaks against, which
has nothing to do with today's loving, homosexual relationships.
Some so called "ex-gays" claim they have gone straight. However, the
research seems clear that trying to change a natural sexual orientation on
of fear of God and guilt seldom works. Perhaps it works for the few that
weren't really sure or were there orientation was influenced more by
emotional issues that biology. It seems clear however, most gays were born
that way and trying to change them is forcing them to live a lie.
Some may leave the "gay lifestyle" by altering behavior, but that does not
make them heterosexual. They simply become non-practicing gays, that's all.
Despite "testimonies" to the contrary, there is not one documented,
authenticated case of a actual change in sexual orientation. There has only
been change in behavior. Healthy skepticism needs to be exercised of those
claiming a heterosexual conversion.
One of may highly documented books on the failure of conversions is One
Nation Under God which chronicles 40 years of people trying to find a cure
for being gay. One example is Gary Busse and Michael Cooper the gay couple
who founded Exodus, a ministry aimed at turning gays into ex-gays. After a
few years of teaching this dubious gospel - spread in pamphlets with titles
such as Unhappy and gay? Join the Exodus -- they admitted to each other
that they had fallen in love, quit their movement and started preaching
tolerance and self-acceptance instead. They thus became former ex-gays. One
Nation exposes many other such attempts of how change groups appropriate
terminology of other fashionable therapies - calling themselves a recovery
movement , while actually peddling Victorian values and using fear of God
and intimidation to scare people straight, which often leads to suicide, not
change. At their most absurd, some suggest that what gay men supposedly
ought to do is play football; and for lesbians, what they supposedly need is
a makeover and a good manicure. This would be hilarious if it weren't so
destructive to so many whose only sin is being just who God made them. Sadly
those that turn to Exodus International or the now defunct Quest are only
asking for more turmoil and inner-hatred. There are asking for a life of
continued guilt and despair. That is all such groups can offer gays who are
struggling to come to terms with themselves in a hostile and rejecting world
(including, sadly, a church that often joins in the condemnation based on
mistranslation and application of the Bible.
An personal example a gay shared with me. For a year I was caught up in
Regeneration in MD and it left me with such painful scars that it has been
difficult for me to really connect with God...I entered Christianity through
study at LAbri and the writings of Francis Schaeffer... I have been a
Christian since 1974... I am hungry for human contact but have stopped
attending a large evangelical Church...because I felt like an alien having
to be closeted to worship; yet I'm not much interested in going to a Gay
Church. The people I trusted in my early walk with Christianity in many ways
have betrayed me.
Another example is Kent Philpott's book, The Third Sex, in which he gives
the testimonies of six homosexuals who supposedly became heterosexual.
Within a year after the book was published, all six of the people written
about sent notarized affidavits to the publisher, stating that the book was
untrue and that they were all still homosexuals. Nevertheless, the book
continued to be printed and sold to an unwary public for eight years
afterwards. To this day, people are "praising God" for changes that never
took place. The continued publication of that book, along with its
promulgation for eight years after having received written denials from the
subjects themselves, highlight the extent of deception fundamentalists are
willing to go to foster belief in a goal based on illusion rather than
reality. With fundamentalism it appears that honesty and truth are
expendable items.
The Kinsey Institute has had an open offer for nearly 40 years to report on
a SINGLE case of a true change in sexual orientation, not just behavior. In
40 years there has not been a single scientifically documented case of
changed sexual orientation.
On Prodigy Richard Kennedy Jr : I worked on a national syndicated TV show.
We contacted numerous groups to find individuals who were former homosexuals
and were "cured." Getting lists of names, we called each one. One of our
first questions was "did you consider yourself homosexual or bi-sexual
before going in for treatment?" EVERYONE of the hundred-plus people we
contacted (and remember our names came from the clinics) told us they were
bi-sexual. We never found one who (out of 120 people) was "formerly gay" and
"now is straight". We also asked the bi-sexual "cured" if they still have a
sexual desire toward same sex contacts. Almost everyone who had been "cured"
claimed to still have such desires. The handful of those "totally cured"
were asked when they finished their treatment not one had their "cure" last
more than 2 months. We never found a candidate for the "cured" homosexual
program, so we had bisexuals instead.
Thousands of gay and lesbian Christians who previously sought any means to
change have now found healing from the self loathing society and the church
has taught them to feel. They have gone on to develop Gay Christian
organizations such as SDA s Kinship, Catholics Grace, also Dignity,
Integrity, Affirmation, Evangelicals United, Reconciling Congregations, and
the Universal Fellowship of Metropolitan Community Churches where they can
truly share the Good News of God's love for all his people. They have
further helped Gays and Lesbians learn to life lives of honesty and
integrity, something which Exodus and the other "lie about who you are for
the sake of acceptance: organizations can never do.
Yet another result of the Change Ministries lies about homosexuality: Rev.
T.V. Moreland, pastor of Suburban Baptist Church of Glendale Calf, was
convicted 6/22/94 of involuntary manslaughter for the death of Michael
Larkin, who died of a self- inflicted gunshot wound. Larkin had been under
pastoral counseling from Rev. Moreland for several months prior to his
suicide. Notes and diaries found in Larkin's home and testimony from his
friends and family revealed that Rev. Moreland had attempted unsuccessfully
to change Larkin's homosexual orientation. According to Reinzi Page, Los
Angeles Country Assistant District Attorney, this counseling caused Larkin
to fall into a deep depression and was the direct, material cause of his
taking his own life.
And more research: After more than 40 years of research on gender identity
and sexual orientation, John Money, director of the Psychohormonal Research
Unit of the John Hopkins School of Medicine, has observed that "it is no
more possible to change a homosexual orientation into a heterosexual one
than it is to change a heterosexual orientation into a homosexual one." He
reports that claims of change in orientations when carefully examined turn
out to be those of "persons who are bisexual to some degree, but are not
100% homosexual, nor 100% heterosexual."
Dave, Liberated Christians, Phoenix Az
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Ezekiel Krahlin
On 31 Mar 1997 20:35:06 -0700, dav...@primenet.com (Dave in Phoenix)
said:
>I agree any "ministry" that thinks it can change people is a farse, based on
>lies and deceptions. The terrible results of trying to change sexual
>orientation is well documented.
Dave, I read your excellent message from top to bottom...thanks for
being here, and working so hard to defend the truth and educate! May
I have your permission to repost some of your messages on my web site?
I will give you complete credit, of course. I provide a section on my
site for contributions from others. You might want to check it out,
before saying "yea" or "nay".
Anyway, it's a pleasure to read your treatises.