You make me sick!!!
Courtney Aziz
I'm sick and tired of see you people walking up and down the streets in
my town holding hands and kissing. Why can't you people do that shit in
the privacy of you own home and not do it in public. You wonder why
people get mad and go out 'Gay Bashin' they've just gotten fed up with
your crap and are standing up to you. Just stay in the closet and we
wouldn't ever bother you, in my town we have and area of town set aside
for your types but you still come into our section and try to pass on
you gay disease to us and make us one of you. Just stay away from us
and there won't be any problems and you people will be happy and so will
the normal people.
Duff
CA>I'm sick and tired of see you people walking up and down the streets in
CA>my town holding hands and kissing. Why can't you people do that shit in
CA>the privacy of you own home and not do it in public. You wonder why
CA>people get mad and go out 'Gay Bashin' they've just gotten fed up with
CA>your crap and are standing up to you. Just stay in the closet and we
CA>wouldn't ever bother you, in my town we have and area of town set aside
CA>for your types but you still come into our section and try to pass on
CA>you gay disease to us and make us one of you. Just stay away from us
CA>and there won't be any problems and you people will be happy and so will
CA>the normal people.
You are truly disturbed.
Have you ever tried to talk to "one of us people", or are you just
ASSUMing and thus making an ass or yourself in the process?
We are BORN Gay. Just as you are BORN hetero (at least I'm 'assuming'
>there's that word again< that you are).
Our diseases are YOUR diseases, too. You assholes Gay Bash because you
haven't bothered to learn anything about us.
As to making you one of us, you're joking, right? If you aren't BORN
gay, there's no way anyone can make you that way. It's a totally NORMAL
orientation.
So. You've "set aside" a portion of town for us, eh? Sounds familiar,
Whites used to "set aside" sections for Blacks, and the Germans had
WHOLE CAMPS for the Gypsies and Jews. Yep. Sound real cozy, there.
Grow up, asshole. Get a life. I only persue men who are interested in
being with me. I guarantee that isn't YOU.
ciao4now
-duff
mdu...@ggbbs.com
Eric Seright-Payne
Courtney Aziz wrote:
>
> I'm sick and tired of see you people walking up and down the streets in
Tell you what, you don't kiss your boyfriend of the day in public, and I
won't kiss my husband. Deal?
> Why can't you people do that shit in the privacy of you own home and not do it in > public.
Ah, but according to Hardwicke, we have no "privacy of (our own)
home(s)"
> You wonder why people get mad and go out 'Gay Bashin' they've just gotten fed up > with your crap and are standing up to you.
No, we wonder why anyone would spend so much time consumed with
curiousity what two other persons do in the "privacy of their own home."
> Just stay in the closet and we wouldn't ever bother you, in my town we have and area > of town set aside for your types...
Gee.. is there a city ordinance? "Gays Here Only"?
> but you still come into our section and try to pass on you gay disease to us
"... you gay disease".... Oh, yes. I'm gay. Therefore, I have some type
of gay disease, and just being in my presence is either going to make
you gay, or give you a disease. I should be ashamed... and go back to my
closed, or the "part of town" that you have delegated me to. I just
don't know my place. Please, please, forgive me, oh, wonderful one.
> and make us one of you. Just stay away from us and there won't be any problems and > you people will be happy and so will the normal people.
Gee...
I'm in my mid-30's, have found a mate, and wish to settle down to a life
of "coupledom." What's abnormal?
Eric Seright-Payne
Livermore, CA
RH
If you don't want to be around Gay people, then you might want to consider
staying out of this newsgroup. Also you might want to GROW up. I would
like to know who "set aside" a part of your town for Gay people. I think
you just might be mad at the world and yourself because you are not sure of
your own sexuality. Your afraid you might be gay. A person secure in his
or her own sexuality, would not be concerned with others sexuality.
Courtney Aziz <ca...@uoguelph.ca> wrote in article
<330772...@uoguelph.ca>...
> I'm sick and tired of see you people walking up and down the streets in
> my town holding hands and kissing. Why can't you people do that shit in
> the privacy of you own home and not do it in public. You wonder why
> people get mad and go out 'Gay Bashin' they've just gotten fed up with
> your crap and are standing up to you. Just stay in the closet and we
> wouldn't ever bother you, in my town we have and area of town set aside
> for your types but you still come into our section and try to pass on
> you gay disease to us and make us one of you. Just stay away from us
Mark Eldridge
<ca...@uoguelph.ca wrote:>
>I'm sick and tired of see you people walking up and down the streets in
>my town holding hands and kissing. Why can't you people do that shit in
>the privacy of you own home and not do it in public. You wonder why
>people get mad and go out 'Gay Bashin' they've just gotten fed up with
>your crap and are standing up to you. Just stay in the closet and we
>wouldn't ever bother you, in my town we have and area of town set aside
>for your types but you still come into our section and try to pass on
>you gay disease to us and make us one of you. Just stay away from us
>and there won't be any problems and you people will be happy and so will
>the normal people.
OK. Usually I sit aside and watch the assholes make their small minded
comments. This one was closer to home, because it's comming from just
down the road. University of Guelph, or Moo U as it is nicknamed, has a
reputation for being a farming university. I know a lot of people
who go (or went) there; gay and straight. Ok so it's time for me to
rant...
"What the hell gives you the right to walk down the street arm in arm with
your girlfriend. Why the hell do we have to put up with your kind
walking around town kissing and holding hands. We set aside a special
section of town for you straight people and you're always walking around
as if you own the whole place. Just stick to your section of town and we
won't have to come and straight-bash you."
Now do you realize how STUPID you sound... You hate people because they
are different from you, because you think that your perspective on the
world is correct. How egocentric of you. What makes you think that
you've figured the whole thing out? (The sun orbits around the flat world
which is composed of 4 main elements, RIGHT!)
So let me educate you a little:
A) Being gay is not a disease, I was born that way and had no choice in
the matter. (I'm guessing you're probably a racist too; since black
people are born black and hence are different from you.)
B) We are not going to stay in the closet. Why the fuck should we.
The more exposure that we get, the more people will realize that there
is a LARGE section of the population that is gay.
There are criminal laws to protect us against Nazi idiots who go around
beating up people because they are different (Just try and get a decent
job now-a-days with a criminal record).
C) Straight people are not "Normal"... Straight people are simply more
common than gay people.
D) For the religious: Why did God put gay people on the earth. Do you
really think your creator did a major fuck up? (Then take it up with
him, not us! - Otherwise your bashin' something God obviously put a lot
of time and effort into making)
E) You're going to have to change your attitude somewhat, because
now-a-days in large corporations, homophobia is becoming less tolerated.
Companies are realizing that diversity is a plus, because the public
(their customers) are equally diverse.
F) You have a friend who is gay and hasn't told you.
G) You probably have friends who have gay friends. And you more than
likely interact with several every week in your everyday routines. The
best part is YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW IT!!!!! You may be able to pick out the
'extreme queens', but I'm guessing that you don't have what it takes to
realize 99% of the gay people that you come in contact with are gay. So
get off your high horse, stop insulting people you know and like and
people your friends know and like.
Mark.
A very normal, X-farm-boy, now on his way to an exceptional career, who
just happened to be born with a tendency to love other men.
Patrick Gale
You dull little man. Why don't you move house. Either that or lighten up
and get a life. Yawn.
In article <330772...@uoguelph.ca>, Courtney Aziz
<ca...@uoguelph.ca> writes
>I'm sick and tired of see you people walking up and down the streets in
>my town holding hands and kissing. Why can't you people do that shit in
>the privacy of you own home and not do it in public. You wonder why
>people get mad and go out 'Gay Bashin' they've just gotten fed up with
>your crap and are standing up to you. Just stay in the closet and we
>wouldn't ever bother you, in my town we have and area of town set aside
>for your types but you still come into our section and try to pass on
>you gay disease to us and make us one of you. Just stay away from us
>and there won't be any problems and you people will be happy and so will
>the normal people.
--
Patrick Gale
Coronal
In article <330772...@uoguelph.ca>, Courtney says...
>
>I'm sick and tired of see you people walking up and down the streets in
>my town holding hands and kissing. Why can't you people do that shit in
>the privacy of you own home and not do it in public.
We will if you will. Why should we be expected to affect a degree of secrecy
in our lives that you wouldn't dream of applying to your own?
> You wonder why
>people get mad and go out 'Gay Bashin' they've just gotten fed up with
>your crap and are standing up to you.
Are you trying to justify violent attacks against people who have done
nothing but behave in public the way that you and your husband/boyfriend
act without a second thought?
>Just stay in the closet and we
>wouldn't ever bother you,
Again, you want us to take our sexuality and lock it up in one
tiny, hermetically sealed compartment of our lives. Yet if someone
else wanted you to do the same, you would probably tell them to
"stick it where the sun don't shine". And rightly so. You may not discuss
what you and your spouse/significant other do in the privacy of your
home, but I doubt that you hide the fact that you are a couple and that
you love one another. Yet that is exactly what you would have us do.
Why should we have to lie about who we are and who we love simply to
avoid making you uncomfortable?
>in my town we have and area of town set aside
>for your types
I've got news for you, hon. We are equal citizens and have the
right to go where we please, live where we choose, and love who
we choose. We are not going to live in a ghetto. Deal with it.
>but you still come into our section and try to pass on
>you gay disease
What exactly is our "gay disease"? If you're referring to AIDS,
it is currently spreading faster in the het world while slowing
down among the gay community.
>to us and make us one of you.
First of all, you stupid bigot, you can't make somebody into
something that they are not . You can't make heteros into
homosexuals, and vice versa. Even if that were possible, I
doubt that you would be a target.
>Just stay away from us
>and there won't be any problems and you people will be happy and so will
>the normal people.
Hate to shock you, hon, but we ARE the "normal people". Your
bigoted attitude puts you in an increasingly small minority.
We are going to live our lives as best we can, wherever we see
fit, just like you do.
JAY CROCE
You are not normal honey, you are deeply troubled and in need of
psychiatric assistance. You have some deep fear of homosexuals that must
be triggered by an association with something in yourself or your past.
Whatever your sickness is, please, go get help and leave the rest of us
alone.
Ciao 4 now,
Jay Croce cmt, cnmt
Lasciate ogni speranza voi ch'entrante!
malebody
Courtney Aziz wrote:
>
> I'm sick and tired of see you people walking up and down the streets in
> my town holding hands and kissing. Why can't you people do that shit in
> people get mad and go out 'Gay Bashin' they've just gotten fed up with
> wouldn't ever bother you, in my town we have and area of town set aside
> for your types but you still come into our section and try to pass on
> you gay disease to us and make us one of you. Just stay away from us
> and there won't be any problems and you people will be happy and so will
> the normal people.
always ask this.."WHY DO YOU GET SO EMOTIONALLY INVOLVED IN OTHER
PEOPLES SEXUALITY!". ANY "NORMAl" PERSON WOULD FIGURE YOU MUST TRUELY
BE UNHAPPY IN YOUR OWN LIFE!. WERE YOU MOLESTED AS A CHILD..ABUSED IN
SOME WAY..EMOTIONALLY, PHYSICALLY, MENTALLY?? ...UMMMM I HOPE YOU FIND
TRUE PEACE AND TRUE UNCONDITIONAL LOVE IN YOUR LIFE...I HAVE AND IT'S
NOT MEASURED BY HOW MUCH I'M LOVED OR LIKED BY OTHERS.
SIGN ME... HAPPY BI SEXUAL...(AND YOU KNOW WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT BI'S? WE
CAN ALWAYS GET A DATE ON SAT. NIGHT!)
Ezekiel Krahlin
On Fri, 21 Feb 1997 01:08:10 -0600, malebody <dhu...@why.net> imparted
this delicious tidbit of wisdom:
>Courtney Aziz wrote:
>>
>> I'm sick and tired of see you straights walking up and down the streets in
>> my town holding hands and kissing. Why can't you people do that shit in
>> the privacy of you own home and not do it in public. You wonder why
>> people get mad and go out 'Hetero Bashin' they've just gotten fed up with
>> your crap and are standing up to you. Just stay in the closet and we
>> wouldn't ever bother you, in my town we have and area of town set aside
>> for your types but you still come into our section and try to pass on
>> you hetero disease to us and make us one of you. Just stay away from us
>> and there won't be any problems and you people will be happy and so will
>> the normal gay people.
I think heterosexuals are okay, if they know their place. C'mon, give
'em a little slack there, dude. Just imagine how *you* would feel if
you were a heterosexual, and couldn't be safe wherever you went?
To reach me, remove "_Z" from my e-mail address.
Courtney Pender iv
BEST RESPONSE I'VE EVERY READ. WAY TO GO!!!!!!!!!THANKS.
COURTNEY PENDER
Courtney Pender iv
LICK MY ASS, BITCH!!!
UNLESS YOUR SO-CALLED STRAIGHT TOWNSPEOPLE ARE SECRETLY SUCKING DICKS,
HOW, MAY I ASK, WILL THEY CATCH "OUR DISEASE". yOU REALLY SOUND LIKE AN
IGNORANT, BIGOTTED, ASSHOLE.
I LIVE IN NEW YORK AND, GUESS WHAT? WE STRAIGHT -BASH. THE LAST PERSON
CAUGHT GAY BASHING WAS BEATEN AND GOT A CHANCE TO KNOW WHAT WE QUEERS
LIKE TO DO (IF YOU CATCH MY DRIFT). NO ONE IS SCARED OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU.
IF YOU CAN JUSTIFY GAY-BASHING FOR ANY REASON, JUST REMEMBER TO BE SO
UNDERSTANDING WHEN YOUR KIND IS ATTACKED, RAPED, AND, YES, FUCKED UP THE
ASS. YOU SEE, WE CAN ATTACK, TOO.
IT'S UNFORTUNATE WE SHARE THE SAME NAME.
COURTNEY PENDER
Courtney Pender iv
BEST RESPONSE I'VE EVER
Joey Moss
No one's scared of your kind either you dumb bitch. So why don't you
gather your fatass friends and fuck off.
Ezekiel Krahlin
On 23 Feb 1997 21:40:43 GMT, YRL...@prodigy.com (Courtney Pender iv)
imparted this delicious tidbit of wisdom:
>LICK MY ASS, BITCH!!!
>UNLESS YOUR SO-CALLED STRAIGHT TOWNSPEOPLE ARE SECRETLY SUCKING DICKS,
I applaud your honest, angry reply...the gay community is beginning to
boil over in righteous rage...and it's about time!
So please don't be offended when I make one correction: it is
virtually impossible to catch AIDS by sucking dick, even though the
giver be so afflicted.
---
Ezekiel Krahlin
On Mon, 24 Feb 1997 19:32:25 -0800, Joey Moss <dric...@aol.com>
imparted this delicious tidbit of wisdom:
>Courtney Pender iv wrote:
>>
>> LICK MY ASS, BITCH!!!
>> UNLESS YOUR SO-CALLED STRAIGHT TOWNSPEOPLE ARE SECRETLY SUCKING DICKS,
>> HOW, MAY I ASK, WILL THEY CATCH "OUR DISEASE". yOU REALLY SOUND LIKE AN
>> IGNORANT, BIGOTTED, ASSHOLE.
>>
>> I LIVE IN NEW YORK AND, GUESS WHAT? WE STRAIGHT -BASH. THE LAST PERSON
>> CAUGHT GAY BASHING WAS BEATEN AND GOT A CHANCE TO KNOW WHAT WE QUEERS
>> LIKE TO DO (IF YOU CATCH MY DRIFT). NO ONE IS SCARED OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU.
>> IF YOU CAN JUSTIFY GAY-BASHING FOR ANY REASON, JUST REMEMBER TO BE SO
>> UNDERSTANDING WHEN YOUR KIND IS ATTACKED, RAPED, AND, YES, FUCKED UP THE
>> ASS. YOU SEE, WE CAN ATTACK, TOO.
>>
>> IT'S UNFORTUNATE WE SHARE THE SAME NAME.
>>
>> COURTNEY PENDER
>
>No one's scared of your kind either you dumb bitch. So why don't you
>gather your fatass friends and fuck off.
BEAR ARMS, QUEER PATRIOTS
I urge all lesbians, gays, bisexuals, gender changers, their
supporters, and other so-called queer types to bear arms and
take to the streets...and push back the beast of homophobia
that now rears its ugly head in the eyes of the majority, who
prowl this gutted country like ghouls from The Night Of The
Living Dead.
Thracians unite!
Ralph&Paul
ekra...@fog.net_Z,UseNetNews writes:
>So please don't be offended when I make one correction: it is
>virtually impossible to catch AIDS by sucking dick, even though the
>giver be so afflicted.
that's bullshit. it's difficult to contract HIV but not virtually
impossible. there are lots of people who've sero-converted because of
oral sex, and to sat other wise is irresponsible.
Ezekiel Krahlin
On Tue, 25 Feb 1997 09:52:46 GMT, Ralph&Pa...@nycnet.com (Ralph&Paul)
imparted this delicious tidbit of wisdom:
>ekra...@fog.net_Z,UseNetNews writes:
The information is in...I've read it, in newspapers and magazines.
I'm correct on this fact, and you're not. Show me your references,
sources for your information, please...and I'll show you mine.
You prefer the phrase "difficult" over "virtually impossible"...so
you've basically agreed with me, yet come across like you don't.
I'm surprised that you are a same-sex couple, if I read you right
(Ralph&Paul).
It is not uncommon for conservative queers to perpetuate homophobic
attitudes...for their own sadistic pleasures. I've met numerous gays
and lesbians into black magic. Don't I know we're a divided
community!
And...knowing how dishonest people are re. their sex lives...I
conclude that--were AIDS spread by oral sex, even from 1% of all
blowjob occassions--AIDS would have infected a much, much, larger
proportion of America than it so far has.
----------signature:
I prefer public dialogue...no personal replies, please
(except on request; will consider pen-pals).
Private, hostile comments will be re-posted in public.
Ralph&Paul
Chief_T...@Athenia.New,UseNetNews writes:
>You prefer the phrase "difficult" over "virtually impossible"...so
>you've basically agreed with me, yet come across like you don't.
>I'm surprised that you are a same-sex couple, if I read you right
>(Ralph&Paul
i don't agree with anyone that would say it's all right to suck dick
with out a condom. if even a few of us get infected it's a few too
many for me. but i guess that a few more deaths from ignorance don't
bother you. better SAFE than SORRY.
Duff
EK>On 23 Feb 1997 21:40:43 GMT, YRL...@prodigy.com (Courtney Pender iv)
EK>imparted this delicious tidbit of wisdom:
EK>>LICK MY ASS, BITCH!!!
EK>>UNLESS YOUR SO-CALLED STRAIGHT TOWNSPEOPLE ARE SECRETLY SUCKING DICKS,
EK>I applaud your honest, angry reply...the gay community is beginning to
EK>boil over in righteous rage...and it's about time!
EK>So please don't be offended when I make one correction: it is
EK>virtually impossible to catch AIDS by sucking dick, even though the
EK>giver be so afflicted.
EK>---
EK>To reach me, remove "_Z" from my e-mail address.
You are very wrong. If the person doing the sucking has any cuts or
bleeding gums in his mouth, he can indeed contract HIV from sucking
dick.
Not only that, but if the person being sucked has any cuts on the penis,
and the sucker is infected, the virus can be passed as well.
No unprotected sexual activity is totally safe, not even cock-sucking.
ciao4now
-duff
mdu...@ggbbs.com
Ezekiel Krahlin
On 26 Feb 1997 15:07:48 PDT, mdu...@ggbbs.com (Duff) imparted this
delicious tidbit of wisdom:
>EK>So please don't be offended when I make one correction: it is
>EK>virtually impossible to catch AIDS by sucking dick, even though the
>EK>giver be so afflicted.
>You are very wrong. If the person doing the sucking has any cuts or
>bleeding gums in his mouth, he can indeed contract HIV from sucking
>dick.
>
>Not only that, but if the person being sucked has any cuts on the penis,
>and the sucker is infected, the virus can be passed as well.
>
>No unprotected sexual activity is totally safe, not even cock-sucking.
Sorry, I thought it went without saying, that I was talking about
consenting adults who have good health habits. I would never consider
messing with someone who has bleeding gums or sores/cuts in his mouth,
on his dick, or anywhere else! To me, that's not gay sex, that's
sleazy, irresponsible sex...of which a portion straights, as well as
gays, participate in.
From all the data I have read--recent and earlier--it takes an extreme
amount of blood exposure to spread HIV through oral sex...hence, it is
next to impossible for two *hygienic* couples to catch or give
AIDS...making oral sex one of the *safest activities.
But I'm old fashioned, and don't go to sex clubs, parks, or alleyways.
I'd rather jackoff than relate to any guy that way. Your warning does
apply to the underbelly of the gay world...which is far more risque
than your average Thracian or Lesbian.
Ralph&Paul
Chief_T...@Athenia.New,UseNetNews writes:
>Sorry, I thought it went without saying, that I was talking about
>consenting adults who have good health habits. I would never consider
>messing with someone who has bleeding gums or sores/cuts in his mouth,
>on his dick, or anywhere else! To me, that's not gay sex, that's
>sleazy, irresponsible sex...of which a portion straights, as well as
>gays, participate in.
you can have cuts in your mouth right now and not know they are there.
and while gettinhg your dick sucked one scrape of a tooth can draw
blood. oral sex without a condom isn't safe, you don't need to be able
to see abrasions to have them be there.
Duff
CH>On 26 Feb 1997 15:07:48 PDT, mdu...@ggbbs.com (Duff) imparted this
CH>delicious tidbit of wisdom:
CH>>EK>So please don't be offended when I make one correction: it is
CH>>EK>virtually impossible to catch AIDS by sucking dick, even though the
CH>>EK>giver be so afflicted.
CH>>You are very wrong. If the person doing the sucking has any cuts or
CH>>bleeding gums in his mouth, he can indeed contract HIV from sucking
CH>>dick.
CH>>
CH>>Not only that, but if the person being sucked has any cuts on the penis,
CH>>and the sucker is infected, the virus can be passed as well.
CH>>
CH>>No unprotected sexual activity is totally safe, not even cock-sucking.
CH>But I'm old fashioned, and don't go to sex clubs, parks, or alleyways.
CH>I'd rather jackoff than relate to any guy that way. Your warning does
CH>apply to the underbelly of the gay world...which is far more risque
CH>than your average Thracian or Lesbian.
Not really, you see, gingivitis, even in it's early stages, can cause
bleeding gums, not noticable, but it does represent a risk.
I don't care HOW careful you are, ANY unprotected sex can be dangerous,
even cock-sucking.
You can be the biggest neat-freak in the world, but one sesame seed in
the gums, a MINOR case of gingivitis, which MILLIONS of people suffer
from without even knowing it, or a mistake with a zipper can make you
vulnerable.
Characterizing my warning as the mouthings of the sleazy under-side of
homosexuality was very insulting, tacky, aand misleading.
If you want to complain about facts, do so in a respectable way, not by
attacking my warning as "only affecting the sleezies".
I am an HIV+ male, and I worry about my brothers and sisters. I even
worry about the heterosexual community.
Learn the facts, play safe, stay healthy.
ciao4now
-duff
mdu...@ggbbs.com
Ezekiel Krahlin
On Thu, 27 Feb 1997 14:17:54 GMT, Ralph&Pa...@nycnet.com (Ralph&Paul)
imparted this delicious tidbit of wisdom:
>Chief_T...@Athenia.New,UseNetNews writes:
Oh, gimme a break. Then you must also say that kissing is risky,
too...for the same dynamics that you described in blow jobs, would
apply in oral-oral contact: invisible cuts and scrapes. And if you
are correct, then AIDS would be far, far more prevalent among
*everyone* (include straights), than it is now, has been, or will ever
be...it would become almost as prevalent as the common cold. The only
possibility of contracting AIDS, would be if both parties have ample
open sores or cuts, and the blood flows between and through these
cuts...yech! Blood sports is just not how I care to have sex.
Your point has nothing to do with oral sex...but has everything to do
with sharing blood...from any part of the body. But the sharing of
blood must be abundant, or direct (as in sharing syringes), for the
chance of HIV to spread. The record of those contracting HIV through
oral sex is abysmally low. You must also consider those phonies who
say "I never messed with shooting up, or heavy anal sex...and I still
got AIDS!"...who lie to the public, for the sake of their own false
pride...and skew the statistics.
I must conclude that this talk of oral sex being high risk (or even
moderate risk), is the ranting of a homophobic medical society...and
of those homosexuals who get their rocks off by teasing others with
tales of horror...though they pretend to be so concerned.
Duff
CH>Your point has nothing to do with oral sex...but has everything to do
CH>with sharing blood...from any part of the body. But the sharing of
CH>blood must be abundant, or direct (as in sharing syringes), for the
CH>chance of HIV to spread. The record of those contracting HIV through
CH>oral sex is abysmally low. You must also consider those phonies who
CH>say "I never messed with shooting up, or heavy anal sex...and I still
CH>got AIDS!"...who lie to the public, for the sake of their own false
CH>pride...and skew the statistics.
CH>I must conclude that this talk of oral sex being high risk (or even
CH>moderate risk), is the ranting of a homophobic medical society...and
CH>of those homosexuals who get their rocks off by teasing others with
CH>tales of horror...though they pretend to be so concerned.
I find your conclusions infantile, if you must know.
There IS documentaton about the levels of HIV in semen and preseminal
fluids, this is NOT an illusion, and what I "Get my rocks off" on as you
so sophomorically put it, is preventing ANYONE else from getting this
virus.
It can take YEARS from the time of infection for the virus to show up in
blood tests.
The AIDS infection rate in this country is dropping, but there are still
new infections occurring ALL THE TIME. If homosexuals are wearing
condoms during penetration (mostly) then where are these NEW infections
coming from?
I am no paranoid homosexual trying to use scare tactics. But damn it,
don't dismiss VALID MEDICAL EVIDENCE AND PROOF as rantings, ravings, and
bad PR.
If you deny the fact that infection can occur WHENEVER bodily fluids are
exchanged, then YOU are living in Wonderland, and not the real world.
I will now address kissing. Kissing is quite possibly the safest
activity around, as it has been proven that the HIV virus doesn't
survive long OR well in saliva. As long as you aren't swapping gobs of
spit, it is quite possibly a nonn-infectious activity.
All-in-all Thracian, I find you to be a bad resource for AIDS info. You
cannot dismiss an activity with proven infections out of hand.
Wear a condom, stay safe, stay sane, stay healthy.
ciao4now
-duff
mdu...@ggbbs.com
Duff
YR>LICK MY ASS, BITCH!!!
YR>UNLESS YOUR SO-CALLED STRAIGHT TOWNSPEOPLE ARE SECRETLY SUCKING DICKS,
YR>HOW, MAY I ASK, WILL THEY CATCH "OUR DISEASE". yOU REALLY SOUND LIKE AN
YR>IGNORANT, BIGOTTED, ASSHOLE.
YR>I LIVE IN NEW YORK AND, GUESS WHAT? WE STRAIGHT -BASH. THE LAST PERSON
YR>CAUGHT GAY BASHING WAS BEATEN AND GOT A CHANCE TO KNOW WHAT WE QUEERS
YR>LIKE TO DO (IF YOU CATCH MY DRIFT). NO ONE IS SCARED OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU.
YR> IF YOU CAN JUSTIFY GAY-BASHING FOR ANY REASON, JUST REMEMBER TO BE SO
YR>UNDERSTANDING WHEN YOUR KIND IS ATTACKED, RAPED, AND, YES, FUCKED UP THE
YR>ASS. YOU SEE, WE CAN ATTACK, TOO.
YR>IT'S UNFORTUNATE WE SHARE THE SAME NAME.
YR>COURTNEY PENDER
1) TURN OFF YOUR CAPS LOCK KEY. It's considered yelling on Usenet, and
bad manners unless making a point.
2) Bashing them because they bash us is no better than gang-warfare,
they bang you, you retaliate, they retaliate, you retaliate, etc...
Grow up. If you see a bashing occuring, gather up and contain the
basher for the police. Press charges. Show up in court as witnesses.
If you want it to stop, make examples of the offenders, don't perpetuate
the problem.
ciao4now
-duff
mdu...@ggbbs.com
Ralph...@nycnet.com
In article <33165c77...@news.wco.com>,
Chief_T...@Athenia.New (Ezekiel Krahlin) wrote:
>
> On Thu, 27 Feb 1997 14:17:54 GMT, Ralph&Pa...@nycnet.com (Ralph&Paul)
> imparted this delicious tidbit of wisdom:
>
> >Chief_T...@Athenia.New,UseNetNews writes:
> >>Sorry, I thought it went without saying, that I was talking about
> >>consenting adults who have good health habits. I would never consider
> >>messing with someone who has bleeding gums or sores/cuts in his mouth,
> >>on his dick, or anywhere else! To me, that's not gay sex, that's
> >>sleazy, irresponsible sex...of which a portion straights, as well as
> >>gays, participate in.
> >
> >you can have cuts in your mouth right now and not know they are there.
> >and while gettinhg your dick sucked one scrape of a tooth can draw
> >blood. oral sex without a condom isn't safe, you don't need to be able
> >to see abrasions to have them be there.
>
> Oh, gimme a break. Then you must also say that kissing is risky,
> too...for the same dynamics that you described in blow jobs, would
> apply in oral-oral contact: invisible cuts and scrapes. And if you
> are correct, then AIDS would be far, far more prevalent among
> *everyone* (include straights), than it is now, has been, or will ever
> be...it would become almost as prevalent as the common cold. The only
> possibility of contracting AIDS, would be if both parties have ample
> open sores or cuts, and the blood flows between and through these
> cuts...yech!
>
>
ok guy believe what you will. i hope that you got really good health
insurance cause the doctors and medications to control HIV are expensive.
As for kissing,the risk is almost non-existant (no known transmissions),
but kissing is less invasive than oral sex, and your tongue has a much
more durable coating. i've also never meet a man who's tongue leaks
pre-cum.
regarding the rest of your post. this shpeil that you do about everyone
who disagrees with you is a homophobe, is tired. your views are as
narrow as the fundies, and your facts as lame. So don't come out here on
the groups and state your beliefs as facts, especially with regard to
HIV. your irresponsible rantings jepordize the health of our community
and as a proud fag living with AIDS i will respond to your misguided
drivel about HIV every time i see it.
the FACTS
HIGH RISK BEHAVIORS:
RECEPTIVE ANAL SEX WITHOUT A CONDOM
SHARING NEEDLES
MODERATE RISK BEHAVIORS:
INSERTIVE ANAL SEX WITHOUT A CONDOM
RECEPTIVE ORAL SEX WITHOUT A CONDOM
RIMMING WITHOUT A BARRIER
LOW RISK BEHAVIORS
INSERTIVE ORAL SEX WITHOUT A CONDOM
ANAL SEX WITH A CONDOM
RECEPTIVE ORAL SEX WITH A CONDOM
FISTING
FLOGGING, WHIPPING AND OTHER ACTIVITIES THAT MAY DRAW BLOOD
CONSIDERED NO RISK
KISSING
FROTTAGE
MUTUAL MASTERBATION
i get my FACTS from the cdc and canadian health guidelines. you make
yours up and then try to prove them with ancedotal evidence.
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In article <857146...@bbs.ggbbs.com>,
mdu...@ggbbs.com (Duff) writes:
[ debate about the risk of HIV transmission through oral sex ]
I think anyone who considers oral sex risk-free, or even low-risk,
should stop and ask themselves one simple question:
Would I suck a guy's dick if I knew he was HIV-positive?
--
Conrad Sabatier http://www.neosoft.com/~conrads
RainBear
Ezekiel Krahlin wrote:
>
> On 26 Feb 1997 15:07:48 PDT, mdu...@ggbbs.com (Duff) imparted this
> delicious tidbit of wisdom:
>
>
> >
> >Not only that, but if the person being sucked has any cuts on the penis,
> >
>
> consenting adults who have good health habits. I would never consider
> messing with someone who has bleeding gums or sores/cuts in his mouth,
> on his dick, or anywhere else! To me, that's not gay sex, that's
> sleazy, irresponsible sex...of which a portion straights, as well as
> gays, participate in.
So you mean to tell us that you do a thorough check up on the
person....open his mouth and look in (like you'd do a horse)....pull his
dick out and check it over.....etc...before having sex with him?
Reminds me of the old line:
"Gee......he didn't _look_ like he had aids Doc"
Ezekiel Krahlin
On Tue, 04 Mar 1997 00:22:10 -0800, RainBear <NO....@The.Newsgroups>
said:
>Ezekiel Krahlin wrote:
>> Sorry, I thought it went without saying, that I was talking about
>> consenting adults who have good health habits. I would never consider
>> messing with someone who has bleeding gums or sores/cuts in his mouth,
>> on his dick, or anywhere else! To me, that's not gay sex, that's
>> sleazy, irresponsible sex...of which a portion straights, as well as
>> gays, participate in.
>
>So you mean to tell us that you do a thorough check up on the
>person....open his mouth and look in (like you'd do a horse)....pull his
>dick out and check it over.....etc...before having sex with him?
>Reminds me of the old line:
>"Gee......he didn't _look_ like he had aids Doc"
You're talking to someone who is not part of the current mainstream of
sexual activity...it turns me off. What I call casual sex for me, is
what another would call old-fashioned. I meet a guy, hang out with
him a few hours here, a few hours there...then maybe have sex a little
later down the line. It's pretty easy to tell if a guy keeps his body
clean, after spending time like that.
Yeah, I check out his mouth, his appearance in general, his behavior,
body language. Yes, I check him out when we undress...and it is at
that time that I might, unfortunately, say, "Uh, sorry, but I suddenly
have a bad headache." I just don't believe that oral/genital sex
causes any danger of HIV infection, when neither partner has messed up
gums or crotch. I think it is feeding into the hysteria of a
homophobic society...and I'm sure the majority of our "good" doctors
are quite the gay-haters...so I don't believe everything the AMA tells
us. But I have also been practicing what is now termed "safe sex"
long before the phrase ever existed.
The idea of catching the clap grossed me out, among other possible
venereal diseases. Also, when fist-fucking started to be the "in"
thing...I kept meeting guys who wanted to shove their whole hand up my
asshole. Forget it. If they couldn't find another way to enjoy
getting laid, then get away from me, dude! So the popular mechanics
of sex as it is known in the gay urban culture for over a decade now,
pretty much excludes guys like me. And I am glad of that. No
leather, piercings, blood, shooting up, fist-fucking...and in general
treating another like a piece of shit.
I think all those crude behaviors have turned me off of sex, more than
even AIDS! I find these "sexual outlaws" absolutely boring...they
strut around like they possess all the arcane secrets of the sexual
intrigue...some sort of black magic wizardry that possesses your
spirit, to enter incredible realms of unimaginable ecstasy. Hah!
They don't fool me for one minute. They can twist and screw their
nipples, dicks, twots, and whatever else...they can sew up their
penises all they want...they can pierce and hit each other till the
cows come home...they are not part of my world, and will never be.
They are, as I see it, the classic jaded, urban gay scene...which I
hope will not last much longer. I anticipate a new emergence of gay
activism coming from rural and small-town America...where some solid
ethics can be injected into the burnt-out metropolis queers.
The greatest realm of ecstasy for me, is to have a good buddy by my
side, through thick or thin. No bullshit, just solid friendship,
honesty, and sharing adventures. And I have known several of them,
all great guys.
I mean, if I had my way, I would've convinced many people--long before
AIDS--to use condoms all the time. To prevent hepatitis, gonorrhea,
syphillis...(and pregnancy for you heteros). I never went to sex
clubs or bath houses, as that is not how I like to meet guys. I'm a
coffee-house cruiser. I also believed in being somewhat prudish about
sex...in a time when everyone else was going at it like there's no
tomorrow. I was always keeping myself for a good buddy to hang with,
not to dive into every bed on the block. So those folks told me to
loosen up, go to the sex clubs and mess around. They'd make fun of
me, insult me for not following the herd. Now, those same people
constantly lecture me to "play it safe"...as if I just got off the
boat yesterday. I love such concerned advice coming from the same
dorks who criticized me in the past for not being loose! Those same
people who went to bathhouses and sex clubs every night...then
hypocritically voted to shut them down...While I who never went to
those places, voted to keep them open (because I saw the potential for
homophobes to use the closing to exacerbate gay hatred).
---
(Hail, Athenia...brave new nation!)
Please keep our dialogues public; private mail by request only.
Hostile private replies will be re-posted in the public arena.
RainBear
Boy.....you sure can catch a rant and ride it can't you?
Ezekiel Krahlin
On Fri, 07 Mar 1997 06:29:24 -0800, RainBear <NO....@The.Newsgroups>
said:
>Ezekiel Krahlin wrote:
>> Yeah, I check out his mouth, his appearance in general, his behavior,
>> body language. Yes, I check him out when we undress...and it is at
>> that time that I might, unfortunately, say, "Uh, sorry, but I suddenly
>> have a bad headache."
><SNIP>
>
>Boy.....you sure can catch a rant and ride it can't you?
:o))))))
I have invested very dearly into the Les/Gay Rights movement for many
years, so I do have strong emotions regarding some issues. Also,
ranting and raving is how I get my way...sometimes.
Donald Riley
In article <331BDB...@The.Newsgroups>, RainBear
<NO....@The.Newsgroups> writes
>Ezekiel Krahlin wrote:
>>
>> On 26 Feb 1997 15:07:48 PDT, mdu...@ggbbs.com (Duff) imparted this
>> delicious tidbit of wisdom:
>>
>> >EK>So please don't be offended when I make one correction: it is
>> >EK>virtually impossible to catch AIDS by sucking dick, even though the
>> >EK>giver be so afflicted.
>>
>> >Yo
wearing condom, getting cum in your mouth is part of the fun
--
Thanks from Donald Riley
donr...@oriley.demon.co.uk
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Ralph&Paul
donr...@oriley.demon.co.uk,UseNetNews writes:
>>Ezekiel Krahlin wrote
>>>
>>> >EK>So please don't be offended when I make one correction: it is
>>> >EK>virtually impossible to catch AIDS by sucking dick, even though
>the
>>> >EK>giver be so afflicted.
>>>
>>> >Yo
>sorry but cant see how a sucker (like me) could enjoy it with man
>wearing condom, getting cum in your mouth is part of the fun
>--
>Thanks from Donald Riley
> donr...@oriley.demon.co.uk
donald
hope you got really good health care in the uk, cause sooner or later
you're gonna need it, and the medications are really expensive. BTW
they make flavored condoms, and you can still feel a guy cum when he's
wearing one.
Greg Parkinson
In article <331e8a7b...@news.wco.com>, Proud_T...@Are.You
(Ezekiel Krahlin) wrote:
> So the popular mechanics
> of sex as it is known in the gay urban culture for over a decade now,
> pretty much excludes guys like me. And I am glad of that. No
> leather, piercings, blood, shooting up, fist-fucking...and in general
> treating another like a piece of shit.
I'm sorry, but you've just disqualified yourself for
the role of lead ProudQueerWarrior.
[.....]
It's wonderful that there's some good gays out there
who are not afraid to clearly define themselves as better
than those nasty perverted homos that straight people are
rightfully worried about.
Is it indicated here to suspect private voices?
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mac...@delphi.com
well it is possible to catch aids from orla sex if the person permorming orla
sex has a cold sore or an open wound in thier mouth. This is a proven fact.
and its being taught in schools around the country so i'm pretty sure that its
a safe bet not to do it if you have an open cut in you mouth.
John Sanger
You do need to get your terms correct.... AIDS is a syndrom and cannot
be passed from anyone to anyone else....
You also left out the most important thing in your little bit of
ignorance.... the person having the oral sex performed upon them needs
to be infected with HIV....