@Home
Eric Payne
involved, I'm making a little headway in determining if @Home is
censoring gay-related material.
I'm very sorry to say that, yes, it appears they are.
This morning, I had four pieces of mail in my in-box. Two of those were
"bounced message notices" from two of my gay-related Yahoo groups. They
both read:
Subject: File - BOUNCING NOTICE
Date: 1 Sep 2001 03:02:58 -0000
From: nude-celebrities-male-moderated-archive Moderator
<nude-celebrities-male-...@yahoogroups.com>
To: jeric...@home.com
*** IMPORTANT NOTICE TO THE THOUSANDS OF BOUNCING SUBSCRIBERS ***
Dear user,
Your mail is currently bouncing or is at "bouncing statis":
1. Your mail has been bouncing because your mailbox is/was
too full to accept any mail.
- OR -
2. You have set your mailbox that does not accept any mail,
including the mail from Yahoo Groups.
- OR -
3. Mail cannot be delivered because the account has been
disabled or discontinued.
=====================================================================
None of the three mentioned reasons holds true, yet the mail for my
groups - all clearly identified as being "male" groups - is being
bounced.
Yet the three groups to which I subscribed two days ago - both clearly
identified as being female - are getting their messages through.
Odd coincidence, that, dontcha think?
As for this group, which is also clearly identified as being gay - for
several days, I was unable to post messages, either through the
newsgroup or my e-mail. I wrote several postings - they simply vanished.
It was only after I e-mailed Roger directly that my next post (header:
?????) got through; in that post I questioned why my postings had not
appeared; Roger responded there had been no posts from me since three
days prior.... even though I had been involved in an exchange with
someone, and had responded to their posts, they simply vanished.
Then, immediately after the email to Roger, the "?????" message appeared
in the group; I've had no problems posting since. This is also after
online chat with a customer support person.
Even though one regular poster here tried to make me think my inability
to post was somehow his doing - he responded to my "Why haven't I been
able to post" message with the message of "Well, duh!" - intellectually,
the only possible explanation is @Home censoring newsgroup and e-mails.
And since @Home admits to having instituted UseNET censoring, beginning
August 13th....
Eric Payne
Livermore, CA
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Chief Thracian
wrote:
>After investigating, and getting the moderators to some of the groups
>involved, I'm making a little headway in determining if @Home is
>censoring gay-related material.
>
>I'm very sorry to say that, yes, it appears they are.
I'm glad you've done a thorough job of looking into this matter, Eric.
Sadly, too many gays keep granting the benefit of the doubt to such
organizations that surreptitiously censor gay material. I guess that's
because many gays value capitalisitc institutions more than civil
rights. IMO, the problem with Amerikan Gays is that they are Amerikan.
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This is message #290.
Cheopys
After investigating, and getting the moderators to some of the groups
involved, I'm making a little headway in determining if @Home is
censoring gay-related material.
I'm very sorry to say that, yes, it appears they are.
Eric Payne
Cheopys wrote:
Cheopys, I know what's going on here. I copied/pasted the message I've
been receiving from the Yahoo groups to which I subscribe.
Only @Home can bounce a message back by refusing to accept it. My email
is pulled every half-hour by Netscape, since the computer is always
online.
None of the nine Yahoo groups to which I belong that are identified as
being gay in their title are getting through - they are getting "bounced
mail" messages, when my mailbox is empty. The groups which are
identified as straight, or as non-sexual, are getting through. Those
groups are not receiving a "bounced mail" indicator. Only @Home can make
that differentiation on incoming mail, prior to that mail hitting the
@Home server. As those groups ask for permission, in the electronic
"handshake" which allows for the message to get to your mailbox, the
straight and non-sexual identified groups are being given permission to
send their message to me; the groups identified as being gay are getting
the "bounced... email full" message..
I'd suggest you call @Home technical support, or chat with a technical
support person on the website (att.broadband.com), and simply ask if
they're currently censoring any materials in either Usenet or e-mail.
They are; they admit to it, but claim it's "usenet only." It went into
effect August 13th.
Eric Payne
Livermore, CA
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This is message #299.
ferris
Eric Payne wrote:
> Cheopys, I know what's going on here. I copied/pasted the message I've
> been receiving from the Yahoo groups to which I subscribe.
Doesn't that mean you received a message from a supposedly blocked group?
> Only @Home can bounce a message back by refusing to accept it. My email
> is pulled every half-hour by Netscape, since the computer is always
> online.
>
> None of the nine Yahoo groups to which I belong that are identified as
> being gay in their title are getting through - they are getting "bounced
> mail" messages, when my mailbox is empty.
Have you checked your Yahoo groups settings to see if the problem is
at that end? If those accounts got a bounced message, they may have
suspended your subscriptions. You may have to reinstate them.
Patrick
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che...@home.com
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This is message #318.
ferris
Why does the My Groups page say my account is "bouncing"?
If group messages sent to your email address are returned to Yahoo!
Groups as undeliverable ("bouncing"), your Yahoo! Groups account may be
temporarily disabled.
Messages can be returned for several reasons:
Your mailbox may be full -- try deleting messages from your
Inbox.
Your ISP may have a backlog of email to process -- contact
your ISP.
Your ISP may be blocking email from Yahoo! Groups --
contact your ISP.
In many cases, Yahoo! Groups can automatically reactivate your
account once the delivery problem is solved. However, in some cases you
will need to manually reactivate your account:
1.Visit your My Groups page.
2.Look for a bounce alert near the top of the page.
3.Click the Alert link to reactivate your account.
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This is message #332.
Dana S. Leslie
another. I have heard conflicting stories as to whether the problem was at
@home's end or YahooGroups'. But, in either case, messages from *ANY*
YahooGroup were being consistently bounced back from *ANY* @home address.
After a certain number of bounces in a single day (a number that could
quickly be reached on any high volume list), the @home account would be
automatically suspended from the list in question *until* the account holder
would *manually* reset her account. This had *NOTHING* to do with sexual
content, Queer or Straight, pornographic or vanilla. I first encountered the
problem on the highest volume list on the internet, JFW Lite, a support list
for blind computer users. I later encountered it on a list for RI area Pagan
networking.
It seems to me most likely that there has been a more recent local
recurrence of the same or similar problem.
Blessed Be,
Dana
D. S. Leslie, née C. R. Guttman
dsle...@alumni.princeton.edu
dsle...@home.com
dsle...@yahoo.com
dsle...@hotmail.com
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