Defenders unstoppable?
Bort
No, i haven't read the book, and i am positive that if i did i would
find some answers, but this thought just came to mind and i was
wondering your guys' thoughts. As Busiek put it from Comics
Continuum,
"They include the Sorcerer Supreme of this plane of reality, a wielder
of the Power Cosmic, the monarch of Atlantis who commands the monsters
of the seas and the single mightiest creature ever to walk the face of
the Earth."
Isn't the silver surfer faster than light? Can't he destroy cities
with one blast of the cosmic power? Hasn't it been proven time and
again that the hulk can never be killed and he IS the strongest one
there is? I would say Dr. Strange might be a bit weak, but i recall a
post on this group that had a bunch of people defending how Dr.
Strange may very well be the most powerful member in the Marvel
Universe. So who is powerful enough to give these guys a run for
their money? Apocalypse? Thanos? Onslaught? Oh wait, he's gone,
right? :). Anyway, as i said before, i know if i picked up the book i
am sure i would see how they encounter problems, but humor me for a
bit and let me know what you guys think.
Brett
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> Shouldn't the newest lineup of Defenders theoretically
> be unstoppable?
Not unstoppable, but phenomenally tough, yes.
> Isn't the silver surfer faster than light? Can't he destroy cities
> with one blast of the cosmic power?
Yes, to both.
> Hasn't it been proven time and again that the hulk can never
> be killed and he IS the strongest one there is?
He can be killed, but it's no easy task.
> I would say Dr. Strange might be a bit weak, but i recall a
> post on this group that had a bunch of people defending
> how Dr. Strange may very well be the most powerful
> member in the Marvel Universe.
He stood alone with his talismans against Adam Warlock
at a time when he wielded all six Infinity Gems, and held
him to a standstill. NOT a weakling.
> So who is powerful enough to give these guys a run for
> their money? Apocalypse?
Nope. Smalltimer.
> Thanos?
Yes. Purely by virtue of his cunning alone.
> Onslaught? Oh wait, he's gone, right? :).
Onslaught's tricky, but I don't think he went up
against Doc.
> Anyway, as i said before, i know if i picked up the book
> i am sure i would see how they encounter problems,
> but humor me for a bit and let me know what you guys think.
A stone could possess Doc Strange, and turn him into
the Ruby Rajah and set him upon the Defenders.
Victor von "more trouble than a barrelful of monkeys" Doom
might alone be enough to cause these guys trouble. Yes,
Doom's outmatched on power, but his mind alone could
provide a serious challenge to the four.
And Doc "too kind for his own good" Strange might not
bother with Kyle and Papa Hagg, who are plotting something
against the Core Four's plan ...
Or Galactus could eat Gaea ...
Tons of options. It remains to see which one they'll pick.
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Scott Eiler
>
> Shouldn't the newest lineup of Defenders theoretically be unstoppable?
> No, i haven't read the book, and i am positive that if i did i would
> find some answers, but this thought just came to mind and i was
> wondering your guys' thoughts. As Busiek put it from Comics
> Continuum,
> "They include the Sorcerer Supreme of this plane of reality, a wielder
> of the Power Cosmic, the monarch of Atlantis who commands the monsters
> of the seas and the single mightiest creature ever to walk the face of
> the Earth."
When he puts it that way, he's pretty convincing.
But still, if the Defenders were all *that* powerful, they'd have forced
Mother Earth to do their bidding by now. And they actually tried that
*first*.
> Isn't the silver surfer faster than light? Can't he destroy cities
> with one blast of the cosmic power? Hasn't it been proven time and
> again that the hulk can never be killed and he IS the strongest one
> there is? I would say Dr. Strange might be a bit weak, but i recall a
> post on this group that had a bunch of people defending how Dr.
> Strange may very well be the most powerful member in the Marvel
> Universe. So who is powerful enough to give these guys a run for
> their money? Apocalypse? Thanos? Onslaught? Oh wait, he's gone,
> right? :). Anyway, as i said before, i know if i picked up the book i
> am sure i would see how they encounter problems, but humor me for a
> bit and let me know what you guys think.
Let's see who Mother Earth might have as a peer, who might have an
interest in Earth ...
... Thor with his shiny new Odinpower.
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"Bort" <bor...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Shouldn't the newest lineup of Defenders theoretically be unstoppable?
> No, i haven't read the book, and i am positive that if i did i would
> find some answers, but this thought just came to mind and i was
> wondering your guys' thoughts.
I think that the Avengers are the mightiest simply because they have two
gods on their team who can neutralize the strength of either Hulk or Namor.
Thor or Vision can handle whatever the Surfer can throw at them. Dr.
Strange is the primary concern, as he has access to the most powerful
artifacts in all of the known dimensions. Wanda, despite her power-up,
would not stand a chance against him. In fact Dr. Strange doesn't have to
be in the same part of reality to harm them.
As it has stood over the last 10 years Strange has had a powerdown, except
for the power-up with Quinn (remember the clean shaven Doc?). I like the
direction he was going then. With recent writers, we don't really know how
powerful he actually is, he get's his butt kicked so many times.
Prestorjon
No, i haven't read the book, and i am positive that if i did i would
find some answers, but this thought just came to mind and i was
wondering your guys' thoughts. As Busiek put it from Comics
Continuum,>>
I think that's the premise of their bug upcoming storyline.
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We dreamed of doing but could not bring ourselves to do,
The fears of years, like a biting whip,
Had cut deep bloody grooves
Across our backs.
-Etheridge Knight
Mabster
>
>
>I think that the Avengers are the mightiest simply because they have two
>gods on their team who can neutralize the strength of either Hulk or Namor.
>Thor or Vision can handle whatever the Surfer can throw at them.
Eh? Thor, yes - he has successfully tackled the Surfer before; but the idea
that the Vision can take on the Surfer is simply laughable. "Oh! He's
intangible! Curses! Guess I'll just have to rearrange his molecular structure
and turn him into an intangible toaster, then!"
>Dr. Strange is the primary concern, as he has access to the most powerful
>artifacts in all of the known dimensions. Wanda, despite her power-up,
>would not stand a chance against him. In fact Dr. Strange doesn't have to
>be in the same part of reality to harm them.
Granted. Strange at the moment is the most formidable of the four, simply
because he's so damned heartless. Of course, this out-of-character behaviour
probably has a lot to do with The Order's forming, and will no doubt have
something to do with its collapse (if indeed it does collapse!).
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> I would say Dr. Strange might be a bit weak, but i recall a
> post on this group that had a bunch of people defending how Dr.
> Strange may very well be the most powerful member in the Marvel
> Universe.
I am curious, why do you see Dr. Strange as weak?
> So who is powerful enough to give these guys a run for
> their money? Apocalypse? Thanos? Onslaught?
Apocalypse and Onslaught are really rather limited
in the strategy department, and don't offer much of
a challenge to the Order. In fact, power-wise it is
always risky to measure forces against a team that
includes Surfer _and_ Strange.
So I would say that the end of the Order (which will
probably come about) must result from some combination
of strategic situations and character reasons.
Mainly the later. When you get down to it, except
perhaps for the Sub-Mariner, to seize power is a rather
surprising move for the Order, which shows just how
upset they are with the curse.
Come to think of it, despite general appearances,
the Order is embarking more on a "strike" (refusing
to be quiet while being swept around by the curse)
than on a coup per se. It is just that seizing
power _is_ the means of protest they have available.
On a strategic level, there are many possible
challenges to their rule:
- Hulk and Namor, despite their power, are by no means
invencible, much less unstoppable. The Order is
only really viable because of Surfer and Strange.
- Gaea could succesfully ask for help from Agamotto, Vishanti or Eternity
- Thor and Quasar are probably capable of at least containing Surfer
(however, Quasar can't really come close to earth, specially so
when indirectly fighting for Gaea)
- For all his power, Strange is still fairly vulnerable, being an
human being and all.
All in all, the Order's rule seems doomed from the start, but then
again, of the four Namor is the only one who we have any reason
to believe may want to retain that rule... which leads to what
I feel is the probably main concrete cause for the fall of the
Order: Namor is likely to find himself at odds with the goals
of his comrades. We may be about to see the best Hulk/Namor fight
yet...
Jim Cleveland
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> Bort wrote:
> >
> Let's see who Mother Earth might have as a peer, who might have an
> interest in Earth ...
>
> ... Thor with his shiny new Odinpower.
>
But the assumption many make is that Thor will oppose the Defenders. I'm
not sure Kurt's story line will be so predictable. Kurt may decide to have
Thor respect his mother's wishes and take no action against them, especially
now that he's developing wisdom akin to Odin's. Thor may see the Defender's
actions as part of some great "plan", similar to the way Odin often treated
events on Midgard.
Cleve
Scott Eiler
How true. Thor will probably be busy on Asgard, building himself up
into a ruthless leader - and into the *next* threat to the Earth,
according to all this "The Reigning" foreshadowing in his own title.
But even if he *is* inclined to meddle, he may not get the chance.
Doctor Strange may well seal off the Marvel Universe from other
dimensions, just to make sure the Defenders aren't interfered with.
Jim Cleveland
> Jim Cleveland wrote:
>
> But even if he *is* inclined to meddle, he may not get the chance.
> Doctor Strange may well seal off the Marvel Universe from other
> dimensions, just to make sure the Defenders aren't interfered with.
>
I didn't think Strange was that powerful. The only entity I can recall
ever sealing off Asgard from Earth was Ares, only after his power was vastly
increased by wresting control of the Promethean flame from Zeus. Oh, and
Korvac/Michael in a "What If" many years ago.
Cleve
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Sorceror Supreme should usually be shown as the master of sorcerous effects and
subtle uses of magic. For example he once caused Galactus to fall to his knees
by using a spell which allowed Galactus to experience the suffferings of all
the beings he'd devoured. In the same way that technically speaking villains
like Magneto etc. should be able to wipe the floor with Doctor Doom but aren't
Doctor Strange's greatest weapon should be his intellect. Also, this
increasingly ruthless, cold behaviour pattern that we've seen him engaging in
means we don't know just how far he may go. Also, Strange is pretty powerful
all told, something that gets forgotten sometimes.
Marcus
Bort
> bor...@yahoo.com (Bort) wrote in message news:<b68bea10.02020...@posting.google.com>...
> > I would say Dr. Strange might be a bit weak, but i recall a
> > post on this group that had a bunch of people defending how Dr.
> > Strange may very well be the most powerful member in the Marvel
> > Universe.
>
> I am curious, why do you see Dr. Strange as weak?
*snip*
I see him as weak for the exact reason you listed:
> - For all his power, Strange is still fairly vulnerable, being an
> human being and all.
Suppose the punisher sneaks up on him and shoots 50 bullets into him.
Does Strange have time to cast a spell to put up a force field?
Granted, i don't know too much about dr. strange, but whenever there
seems to be a gathering of the "world's most powerful heroes" (e.g.
the secret wars), he seems to be absent.
> - Thor and Quasar are probably capable of at least containing Surfer
> (however, Quasar can't really come close to earth, specially so
> when indirectly fighting for Gaea)
You really think Thor could stop the surfer? If the surfer can move
at the speed of light, he could easily run circles around him and
pummel him with blasts of the power cosmic which, correct me if i'm
wrong, would be hard for even Thor to withstand?
Brett
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> Suppose the punisher sneaks up on him and shoots 50 bullets into him.
> Does Strange have time to cast a spell to put up a force field?
> Granted, i don't know too much about dr. strange, but whenever there
> seems to be a gathering of the "world's most powerful heroes" (e.g.
> the secret wars), he seems to be absent.
Back in the good ole days Doc was a true Wizard, who had protective spells
to keep him from being harmed by suprises and bullets.
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I disagree with the premise that Strange shouldn't be seen as only super
skilled rather than super powerful. The skilled premise was good back in
the good ole days when he was the Master Of Mystic Arts and got out of
sticky jams by the hair of his chinny chin chin, but he has labored hard to
get to the rank of Sorcerer Supreme. This means not only is he the most
skillful sorcerer but the most powerful also. Despite how many writer
portray him, he should be near impossible to be defeated. There are plenty
of witches and sorcerers on earth to deal with the rogue wizards and cults,
that Strange should have to deal with the godlike beings and ancient
powerful demontypes.
The reason why Strange books never last is because so many writers try to
write him like he still was the Master of Mystic arts and NOT the Sorcerer
Supreme. You may as well write Hulk to the level of Doc Samson or Thor to
the level of Conan (he'd lose everytime to Loki).
IMO.
>
>
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>
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> > Jim Cleveland wrote:
>
> > But even if he *is* inclined to meddle, he may not get the chance.
> > Doctor Strange may well seal off the Marvel Universe from other
> > dimensions, just to make sure the Defenders aren't interfered with.
>
> I didn't think Strange was that powerful. The only entity I can recall
> ever sealing off Asgard from Earth was Ares, only after his power was vastly
> increased by wresting control of the Promethean flame from Zeus. Oh, and
> Korvac/Michael in a "What If" many years ago.
As other posters have said here, Doctor Strange's power levels tend to
fluctuate wildly, depending on what sort of magic he's using, with what
sort of power source. Currently he's able to put wards around Atlantis;
a ward around the Earth is not only possible, it's been foreshadowed.
And what if he has a willing ally to feed his spells the Power Cosmic?
Scott Eiler
>
> lo...@my-deja.com (Luis Dantas) wrote in message news:<7beb6a26.0202...@posting.google.com>...
>
>
> > - For all his power, Strange is still fairly vulnerable, being an
> > human being and all.
>
> Suppose the punisher sneaks up on him and shoots 50 bullets into him.
The "sneak up" part may be difficult, even if Strange is out in the open
without his allies.
> Does Strange have time to cast a spell to put up a force field?
No, but that enchanted cape of his is probably stronger than Kevlar.
> Granted, i don't know too much about dr. strange, but whenever there
> seems to be a gathering of the "world's most powerful heroes" (e.g.
> the secret wars), he seems to be absent.
That's mostly because Doctor Strange doesn't like gatherings. When the
heroes really need him, though, he's there.
> You really think Thor could stop the surfer? If the surfer can move
> at the speed of light, he could easily run circles around him and
> pummel him with blasts of the power cosmic which, correct me if i'm
> wrong, would be hard for even Thor to withstand?
Thor and the Surfer have fought before, in the Surfer's original title.
Thor seemed to be winning.
The Mighty Tim
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> Scott Eiler <sei...@eilertech.com> wrote in message
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> > Jim Cleveland wrote:
>
> >
> > But even if he *is* inclined to meddle, he may not get the chance.
> > Doctor Strange may well seal off the Marvel Universe from other
> > dimensions, just to make sure the Defenders aren't interfered with.
> >
>
> I didn't think Strange was that powerful.
Not the way he is currently portrayed. But, he should be much more
powerful. I'm waiting for this guy to get a good writing, along the lines
of Gaiman. He needs to be returned to his mystical roots and his story has
always held so much potential...in the right hands.
Citizen-Y
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On the other hand, in Thor's book, the Surfer was doing better in battle
against Durokk the Demolisher than Thor did. In fact, the Surfer saved
Thor's life and defeated Durokk.
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Of course all of that is as irrelevant as when SS was Norin Radd. Thor now
has the Odin Power, his birth right. Thor is now Galactus to the SS.
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>
>
> Of course all of that is as irrelevant as when SS was Norin Radd. Thor
now
> has the Odin Power, his birth right. Thor is now Galactus to the SS.
>
>
I don't have much faith that Jurgens can portray the Odin Power correctly or
with any awe or grandeur. After all, he wrote a supposedly "omnipotent"
Odin being smothered by a pillow.
Cleve
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Then Strange is dead. That's just going to piss him off.
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KRothst402
>> seems to be a gathering of the "world's most powerful heroes" (e.g.
>> the secret wars), he seems to be absent.
>
>That's mostly because Doctor Strange doesn't like gatherings. When the
>heroes really need him, though, he's there.
I think it has more to do with the fact he is so powerful. To include him in
many of these stories would make almost any plot solvable in a jiffy, and
almost every character pointless.
I believe if you look at all those INIFINTY comics, you'll see that the writer
immediately finds a way to get a few characters out of the way. Reed Richards
is another character who can make all hangers on pointless. Normally you need
the heroes to be confused and planless in the early stages. With Reed around,
that is hard to do.
So anyway, I'd say that if Reed Richards was given half a chance, he would find
a way to stop the Defenders. However, if I were out to take over the Marvel
earth, I would make sure that The FF were taken out first just to make sure
Reed doesn't come up with that gizmo that will save the day.
The Invisible Woman was once written as being powerful enough to take out a
celestial. I don't think that comic should be referenced again because it is
ridiculous, but perhaps she has some ability that might help. Also, if
properly annoyed, Franklin Richards could wipe out the Defenders in a
heartbeat.
And there you go, Sue turns herself, Reed, and Franklin Invisible, Reed creates
a gizmo to awaken Franklin's powers, and Franklin kicks butt. To keep everyone
busy, Thor and the others throw themselves at the Defenders to buy the FF time.
Scott Eiler
>
> >> Granted, i don't know too much about dr. strange, but whenever there
> >> seems to be a gathering of the "world's most powerful heroes" (e.g.
> >> the secret wars), he seems to be absent.
> >
> >That's mostly because Doctor Strange doesn't like gatherings. When the
> >heroes really need him, though, he's there.
>
> I think it has more to do with the fact he is so powerful. To include him in
> many of these stories would make almost any plot solvable in a jiffy, and
> almost every character pointless.
That, in turn, depends on how well Dr. Strange is written. At his
worst, he waves his hands and throws around omni-powers like he was
Green Lantern or something. At his best, he runs into limitations in
dealing with non-mystical forces, and gets someone to help him.
> So anyway, I'd say that if Reed Richards was given half a chance, he would find
> a way to stop the Defenders. However, if I were out to take over the Marvel
> earth, I would make sure that The FF were taken out first just to make sure
> Reed doesn't come up with that gizmo that will save the day.
Namor would certainly be smart enough to think of taking out the FF
first too.
> And there you go, Sue turns herself, Reed, and Franklin Invisible, Reed creates
> a gizmo to awaken Franklin's powers, and Franklin kicks butt. To keep everyone
> busy, Thor and the others throw themselves at the Defenders to buy the FF time.
I don't care what the threat to Earth is, Reed is not going to casually
turn his son back into God Almighty. If it happens for some other
reason, Reed *might* close his eyes while Franklin taps into the
Franklinpower and saves the day... but Reed is not going to be the one
who causes this to happen. And if the Defenders are smart, they won't
cause that either.
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> KRothst402 wrote:
> >
> > >> Granted, i don't know too much about dr. strange, but whenever there
> > >> seems to be a gathering of the "world's most powerful heroes" (e.g.
> > >> the secret wars), he seems to be absent.
> > >
> > >That's mostly because Doctor Strange doesn't like gatherings. When the
> > >heroes really need him, though, he's there.
> >
> > I think it has more to do with the fact he is so powerful. To include
him in
> > many of these stories would make almost any plot solvable in a jiffy,
and
> > almost every character pointless.
>
> That, in turn, depends on how well Dr. Strange is written. At his
> worst, he waves his hands and throws around omni-powers like he was
> Green Lantern or something.
I would think that being the most powerful sorcerer in our reality it is his
character to have nigh omnipotent powers, far greater than that of a Green
Lantern.
> At his best, he runs into limitations in
> dealing with non-mystical forces, and gets someone to help him.
Exactly my point on badly written stories. The universe's greatest sorcerer
doesn't need help with earth based/non magical crap. He would leave such
mundane things to earth's lesser powerful sorcerers or superheroes. Keep
Doc fighting off great mystical entites and cosmic types in other
dimensions, not on earth occupied with some cult of Dormmamu or whatever.
>
>
> > So anyway, I'd say that if Reed Richards was given half a chance, he
would find
> > a way to stop the Defenders. However, if I were out to take over the
Marvel
> > earth, I would make sure that The FF were taken out first just to make
sure
> > Reed doesn't come up with that gizmo that will save the day.
>
> Namor would certainly be smart enough to think of taking out the FF
> first too.
>
>
> > And there you go, Sue turns herself, Reed, and Franklin Invisible, Reed
creates
> > a gizmo to awaken Franklin's powers, and Franklin kicks butt. To keep
everyone
> > busy, Thor and the others throw themselves at the Defenders to buy the
FF time.
>
> I don't care what the threat to Earth is, Reed is not going to casually
> turn his son back into God Almighty. If it happens for some other
> reason, Reed *might* close his eyes while Franklin taps into the
> Franklinpower and saves the day... but Reed is not going to be the one
> who causes this to happen. And if the Defenders are smart, they won't
> cause that either.
Franklin will never have the "franklinpower" every again. I thought it was
pretty dumb for them to even give this power to him to begin with. Worse
story was comparing his power to that of the celestials, in Heroes Reborn.
Jeesh! I applaud marvel for stripping franklin, and yet recreating Galactus
was another mockery. Galactus is a being whose time has come and gone in
comics.
DDB
> Bort wrote:
> > No, but that enchanted cape of his is probably stronger than Kevlar.
> >
> > at the speed of light, he could easily run circles around him and
> > pummel him with blasts of the power cosmic which, correct me if i'm
> > wrong, would be hard for even Thor to withstand?
>
> Thor and the Surfer have fought before, in the Surfer's original title.
> Thor seemed to be winning.
It was more like a stalemate; Surfer was so impressed with Thor's
nobility never able to bring himself to truly unleash his full force
against him.
And vice-versa. (FTNITK* it was all a Loki trick of course)
DDB
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AKieswetter
> No, i haven't read the book, and i am positive that if i did i would
> find some answers, but this thought just came to mind and i was
> wondering your guys' thoughts. As Busiek put it from Comics
> Continuum,
> of the Power Cosmic, the monarch of Atlantis who commands the monsters
> of the seas and the single mightiest creature ever to walk the face of
> the Earth."
>
> with one blast of the cosmic power? Hasn't it been proven time and
> again that the hulk can never be killed and he IS the strongest one
> post on this group that had a bunch of people defending how Dr.
> Strange may very well be the most powerful member in the Marvel
> their money? Apocalypse? Thanos? Onslaught? Oh wait, he's gone,
> right? :). Anyway, as i said before, i know if i picked up the book i
> am sure i would see how they encounter problems, but humor me for a
> bit and let me know what you guys think.
>
The Avengers;fully assembled,they are the most powerful superhero team
in the MU. It would be fun to see the Defenders battle an Avengers
line-up consisted
of Thor,Hercules,Captain America,the Scarlet Witch,Iron Man and
Photon.
'Nuff said.
Andrew Kieswetter
Mabster
I dunno Andrew. I'll admit you've listed a formidable team, but the fact is
that while the Surfer, Subbie and the Hulk are keeping the Avengers occupied
(and those three could definitely "occupy" the team you list) Doctor Strange
could weave a spell in such a way that the Avengers never existed.
It's all in the tactics, I guess - and the Avengers do have Cap, which is a
definite advantage, but Namor is no slouch, and Grey Hulk has to be an
advantage in the brains trust.
Johnny
>line-up consisted
>of Thor,Hercules,Captain America,the Scarlet Witch,Iron Man and
>Photon.
Just to delurk for a moment, this battle has happened already. Don't think Thor
was there (substitute Wonderman), but just about all the rest and more were
battling _just the hulk_ and he was kicking their butts. Around the 320's or so
of Hulk (V1).
So if they can barely hold their own against just one member of the Defenders,
what chance do they have against the whole group? Just 2 cents.
Johnny