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Jim

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Apr 1, 2001, 5:19:15 AM4/1/01
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Heterosexuality is dirty, disgusting and vicious

Copulation was necessary. Nowadays it is less necessary. Its necessity does
not prevent it from being dirty, disgusting and vicious. Examples: many
machines are constructed in workshops. The workshops are necessary and this
does not prevent them from being dirty and dangerous. Many products are
manufactured in industries and the industries are often dirty, polluted and
risky. Heterosexuality was necessary but it was dirty, disgusting and
vicious. Heterosexual activity is done more for lust and vice than for
reproduction. Today we have the knowledge to avoid this heterosexual
dirtiness and vice.

Another example, people working in the construction of buildings are often
exposed to dangers. It is necessary for them to do the job. The necessity of
the job does not make it clean and safe. The job is necessary but dangerous
and dirty (dusty) at the same time.

Necessity does not equal cleanliness and safety. On the contrary what is
necessary is often dangerous, dirty and vicious.

Heterosexuality is dirty, disgusting , dangerous and vicious.

Heterosexual activity is no more necessary for reproduction. It is being
replaced by Artificial Insemination which is better, safer and cleaner.


Stan Rothwell

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Apr 7, 2001, 2:20:57 PM4/7/01
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Another bitter, frustrated butt bandit who's angry and
bitter over the fact that the AIDS epidemic hasn't
decimated the straight population in the US...

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Stan Rothwell

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"The Last Church" <mic...@thelastchurch.orgSpam> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 7 Apr 2001 11:20:57 -0700, "Stan Rothwell"
> <roth...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >Another bitter, frustrated butt bandit who's angry and
> >bitter over the fact that the AIDS epidemic hasn't
> >decimated the straight population in the US...
>
> Well do be so angry,,,,,, It will.

No it won't, because the majority of straight non-IV
drug abusers don't engage in certain high-risk activities.
People have been floating this myth for the last 2 decades,
and it ain't gonna happen...

>It is expected to reduce world
> population by at least half.

So we hand out a few more Darwin Awards for
those who insist on engaging in reckless behavior.
Oh well...


Stan Rothwell

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Apr 9, 2001, 12:53:27 AM4/9/01
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"The Last Church" <mic...@thelastchurch.orgSpam> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 8 Apr 2001 00:03:07 -0700, "Stan Rothwell"
> <roth...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> >So we hand out a few more Darwin Awards for
> >those who insist on engaging in reckless behavior.
> >Oh well...
>
> Quite a convenient way to kill those not in your church
> ain't it. I wonder what government originally thought doing it.
>
> The numbers say aids is now equably spread to all class's of
> people regardless of sexual preference.

What numbers? Proof? Didn't think so.

As I have previously stated, AIDS is primarily
spread by passive anal sex and and sharing
of contaminated needles, so the primary groups
affected in the US are druggies and homos.
You can pretend all you want otherwise, but
it's only to your detriment... :Oo


> I guess your idea of god hates them all with equal
> measure?
>
> Never fear God. He hurts no one for any reason. Only people
> do that and mostly to themselves.
> .....I John 4:18-19
> "THERE IS NO FEAR IN LOVE; BUT PERFECT LOVE DRIVES OUT FEAR , because
> fear has punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.
>
>
>
> Michael
>
> .
>
> A preacher is the blind
> leading the blind...
>
> The Last Church
> http://www.thelastchurch.org
> mic...@thelastchurch.org


Stan Rothwell

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Apr 10, 2001, 12:50:47 AM4/10/01
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"The Last Church" <mic...@thelastchurch.orgSpam> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 8 Apr 2001 21:53:27 -0700, "Stan Rothwell"
> <roth...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> >As I have previously stated, AIDS is primarily
> >spread by passive anal sex
>
> Gee that is strange for of the 3 children in my town
> that have aids have never had sex or drugs.

And that the THOUSAND that have AIDS did get
it through sex or drugs, which of course is correct.
As I have stated that it is primarily spread by those
activities (witness NO heterosexual, non-IV drug
using AIDS epidemic), it would stand that my argument
is still correct. :Oo

> And of the remaining
> six adults none of them ever did drugs and none are gay. Yet their
> Christian Church ask them not to come to church anymore.

What do I have to to with any Christian church?

> It is not what goes in to the mouth that defiles a person but
> what comes out. And what has come form your mouth has defiled
> you worse than any sex act. For you wish to stomp on the bodies of
> those less fortunate that you. You do not understand love or
> compassion.

Of course, you can't state that I actually
said anything that was not correct, which
is why you are feigning indignation, right?


Cindy L

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Apr 10, 2001, 9:25:56 PM4/10/01
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Are you for real Stan? AIDS is a result of the fall of creation. People
make stupid choices, get sick THEN in turn make others sick (like their own
babies). Should your church ban them? ABSOLUTELY NOT. As for sexuality,
in the right context it is beautiful and a gift from God. Heterosexual sex
outside of marriage is wrong, lust, rape and adultry are wrong. Homosexual
sex is wrong as well. God calls those who practice it an abomination.

Cindy


Stan Rothwell

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"The Last Church" <mic...@thelastchurch.orgSpam> wrote in message
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> No, bitch that is not my point. The point is they are part of the
> human race. The should not be abused by morons.

Funny, Mike, that with all the effort you spend trying
to flame others merely because they are not biologically
misadjusted like you, you get all huffy when it's tossed
back in your face... Can you say "waah"??? :Oo


Stan Rothwell

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"Cindy L" <tiltos...@home.net> wrote in message
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> Are you for real Stan? AIDS is a result of the fall of creation. People
> make stupid choices, get sick THEN in turn make others sick (like their
own
> babies). Should your church ban them? ABSOLUTELY NOT.

Who says I belong to any church, and that I am banning anyone?

If you're going to miss class, make a point to at least
have somebody takes notes for you... :O(


Cindy L

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Apr 11, 2001, 10:54:20 AM4/11/01
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Have you read your Bible Last Church?

"In the same way men also abandoned natural relations with women and were
inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other
men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion." Rom.
1:27

God comdemns homosexuality.

Cindy


Ninure Saunders

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Apr 12, 2001, 9:35:15 AM4/12/01
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In article <we_A6.3771$%o2.2...@news1.sttls1.wa.home.com>, "Cindy L"
<tiltos...@home.net> wrote:

-Have you read your Bible Last Church?
-
-"In the same way men also abandoned natural relations with women and were
-inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other
-men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion." Rom.
-1:27
-
-God comdemns homosexuality.
-
-Cindy

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

So let us put Paul's speech in context, shall we? I refer you to Romans
1:18-24a (sections in [] are
added by me to give clarity)

"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and
wickedness of men who by their wickedness suppress the truth. For what can be
known about God is plain to them [men who by their wickedness suppress the
truth], because God has shown it to them [men who by their wickedness suppress
the truth]. Ever since the creation of the world his invisible nature, namely,
his eternal power and deity, has been clearly perceived in the things that have
been made. So they [men who by their wickedness suppress the truth] are without
excuse; for although they [men who by their wickedness suppress the truth] knew
God they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they [men who by
their wickedness suppress the truth] became futile in their thinking and their
[men who by their wickedness suppress the truth] senseless minds were darkened.
Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal
God for images resembling mortal man or birds or animals or reptiles. Therefore
God gave them [men who by their wickedness suppress the truth] up...."

Now maybe it is just my public education, but it seems to me that the 'they'
whom God gave up refers to the undodliness and wickedness of men who by their
wickedness suppress the truth. That is the last object given before Paul
switches over to the third person plural pronoun, so by the rules of the
English language, that *must* be the "them" he is refering to. And lets see...
"men who by their wickedness suppress the truth", could that also include men
who by their wickedness (fear, hatred, jealously and plain maliciousness)
suppress the truth about God's boundless love for His creation?

And how do we know that they are "men who by their wickedness suppress the
truth"? Very simply: They neither honor God as God or give thanks to him, but
instead are futile in their thinking, who have senseless, darkened minds. They
claim to be wise even though they are fools, and they have exchanged the glory
of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man or birds or animals or
reptiles... or, may I add, flags and "holy" books.

And what else does God do to them? If we read AFTER your favorite quote, we see

"They were filled with all manner of wickedness, evil, covetousness, malice.
Full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malignity, they are gossips, slanderers,
haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to
parents, foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. Though they know God's decree
that those who do such things deserve to die, they not only do them but approve
those who practice them. (Romans 1: 29-32)"

So we can know who are the "men who by their wickedness suppress the truth"
(yes,, we are still using THAT "they") because they are gossips,
slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil,
disobedient to parents, foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless.

That's a later stage of things. The fall of the Gentiles in Romans 1
is a drama in four acts:
(1) When they knew God, they glorified him not as God.
(2) As a result, their minds were darkened, and they exchanged
worship of the Creator for worshipping statues of corruptible
things.
(3) The punishment for that exchange of worship was another
exchange: of natural desires for unnatural lusts. This is
spelled out quite specifically by "for this cause" in verse
26.
(4) The punishment for the original sin (for which there was
less excuse, since it occurred before "their minds were
darkened") comes next and is worse. Verse 28 spells out the
distinct charge against them, and the distinct punishment:
"Even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge"
- the sin of vv. 19-21 - "God gave them over to a reprobate
mind."
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Ninure Saunders aka Rainbow Christian

The Lord is my Shepherd and He knows I'm Gay
http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/Heights/1734
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Terry

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wasn't Noah corked by his own sons while he was in a drunken
stupor?.They were picked by God as the best mankind had to offer.They
then went and insested us in to existence.

Jane

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Heterosexuals like to criticise others when they themselves have many more
faults, defects, vices and perversions.

Heterosexuals are monsters. In 1999, in a few days heterosexuals committed
many monstrous crimes. In Egypt a man stabbed the lover of his wife 300
times and then cut his head. In Israel a man set fire to the house of his
wife, killing his wife and his children. In atlanta, USA a man killed his
wife and children and then killed 9 other people.
Heterosexuals are beasts. Heterosexuality is bestiality.

Some time ago, in belgium, a pastor and his daughter with whom he had
an incestuous relationship killed 10 people. 5 were members of their family.
The two heterosexuals got rid of their victims by dissolving their bodies in
acid. The heterosexual man was a pastor and a theology teacher.

In Gloucester, Great Britain, frederick and rosemary West who were
husband and wife, killed and buried 18 persons. Some were their children.

In the eighties, a heterosexual man in california raped, tortured and
killed more than 15 women. the man took sadistic pleasures in seeing the
women suffered. One of his methods was to cut them with an electric saw. The
man took pleasure in seeing the women shouting in terrible pain.

In France the parents of a 5 year old boy martyrized the little boy
for years. They beated him and imprisoned him in a little cage. They took
pleasure in seeing the little boy suffered.

There are many other cases of heterosexual atrocities.

Every week (sometimes every day) in the media of the world you can read and
hear about heinous crimes committed by heterosexuals.

Heterosexuals say they are not sick. Then for offences and crimes they
must be punished more severely because they have no extenuating
circumstances.

There are only two possibilities for them. Either they are shut in
psychiatric hospitals or they are shut in
prisons.

It is not because many parents are heterosexual that they are perfect. Many
parents and heterosexuals want only to satisfy their vicious desires.
Children are just the result of their vices. It is not that because
something is necessary that it is perfect. Excrement is necessary and it is
not perfect. Heterosexuals are like excrement. They are not perfect, they
are disgusting and wicked.

Heterosexuality is no longer necessary to have children. Artificial
Insemination is replacing it.

Some heterosexuals say that they have to fornicate to ensure the survival
of humankind. Their argument does not convince at all. First we do not need
so many children on this earth. On the contrary it will be better if they
stop copulating and fornicating. There will be less vices and less problems
caused by heterosexuals and overpopulation. If those heterosexuals stop
copulating and do not
have children we will not regret at all. We will rejoice because there will
be less problems and more resources available for people existing on earth.
It is better to have quality than quantity. Secondly to have children,
heterosexuals do not need to have so many copulations. They have thousands
times more copulations than necessary. It is as if an employee is asking
thousands times more money for the real value of a job or a seller is making
people pay thousands times more than the real value of an article.

If those heterosexuals stop copulating the world will be a better place. The
world do not need those type of people. There are people more than necessary
on this earth. There are also enough smart people on this earth. Many
problems (crimes, vices, theft, exploitation, etc) caused by heterosexuals
will disappear. So we say, let them stop copulating and having children.


Jane

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pathetic

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"Jane" <Ja...@thewholetruth.com> wrote in message
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> Heterosexuals like to criticise others when they themselves have many more
> faults, defects, vices and perversions.
>
> Heterosexuals are monsters. In 1999, in a few days heterosexuals committed
> many monstrous crimes. In Egypt a man stabbed the lover of his wife 300
> times and then cut his head. In Israel a man set fire to the house of his
> wife, killing his wife and his children. In atlanta, USA a man killed his
> wife and children and then killed 9 other people.
> Heterosexuals are beasts. Heterosexuality is bestiality.
>
Monsters are heterosexuals. In 1999, in a short few days some monsters of
the puppet show commited sensless heterosexual acts on live TV during the
weekend broadcastings of Sesamie Street, at the astonishment and outrage of
millions of children and their homosexual activist grandmothers throughout
the world! In Fairyland Miss Piggy got it every conceivable way with a
firehouse and several frogs, and after the terrible series of acts resulting
in multiple orgasms she wrote a letter reminding people of the sensless
cruelty of pigly desires on the local bulletin board.

lo...@home.orgi

Stan Rothwell

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"The Last Church" <mic...@thelastchurch.orgSpam> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:16:37 -0700, "Stan Rothwell"
> <roth...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> > that with all the effort you spend trying
> >to flame
>
> I would hardly call posting facts and truth an attempt to flame though
> I know it sets you on fire.....

You present no facts that are germane to the discussion.

For example, stating that "gays are human" is not an
issue, because nobody here questioned their humanity.
This is a typical non-sequitorial response used by an
individual who wishes to insinuate that others said
something that was never brought up, and we see
right through it.


one called

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I'm no basher, but the bible states that homosexuals are perverting the
natural way of things.

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> On Sun, 15 Apr 2001 12:52:09 -0300, "Jane" <Ja...@thewholetruth.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Heterosexuals like to criticise others when they themselves have many
more
> >faults, defects, vices and perversions.

> .
> >
> > In Gloucester, Great Britain, frederick and rosemary West who were
> >husband and wife, killed and buried 18 persons. Some were their children.
>

> At least we can punctuate.
>
> Joanna


Carl

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"one called" <one-c...@home.com> wrote in message
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> I'm no basher, but the bible states that homosexuals are perverting the
> natural way of things.

The bible is religous nonesense.
Carl


Terry

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Lott had sex with his daughters.,but God turned his wife into a pillar
of salt.You figure it out.

J. Sandoval

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I was reading this group and I am Highly disappointed in what you people had
to say. Let me start off by saying that I am a Homosexual. I have been in
a wonderful relationship for over a year now (which is a long time for a
"Homo")
Second is that society finds it morally wrong that two guys/girls can fall
in love with each other.
What is up with that one?
About getting fuck in the ass by a another guy...Just watch a porno...GIRLS
GET FUCKED UP THE ASS ALSO.
So what I can't understand is why is it so morally wrong for a girl to get
fucked up the ass and not a guy to get fucked up the ass by another guy.

As I call Reading briefly though the "KING JAMES" bible that GOD loves ALL
his children Also I recall somewhere in there it says not to judge against
one another but yet he will be judging you when aramageddon comes to
surpass. This one I have to come down on Cindy For this:
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"AIDS is a result of the fall of creation. People
make stupid choices, get sick THEN in turn make others sick (like their
own

babies). Should your church ban them? ABSOLUTELY NOT. As for
sexuality,
in the right context it is beautiful and a gift from God. Heterosexual
sex
outside of marriage is wrong, lust, rape and adultry are wrong.
Homosexual
sex is wrong as well. God calls those who practice it an

abomination." -Cindy
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> Homosexual
>sex is wrong as well. God calls those who practice it an abomination.
>Cindy

Does that sound judgement? If you were such a big fan on religion you
wouldn't care what other people would do ESPECIALLY in side there own homes.
What would you do if you got to visit a few straight peoples home and was
allowed to put a camera in them. I bet to your suprise that you will find
just as disgusting things as you would in a homosexual home. So what is
the difference in what goes on in a home?

Homosexuals should not be banned in the church because they are a HUMAN
BEING also. OOPS did I say that. Yes we also have feelings, we work and we
mess around JUST LIKE A HETROSEXUAL.
My favorite line in the world is "DON'T DOG IT UNTIL YOU TRIED IT." Once
you get laid by the same sex then don't even bring the subject up. Learn to
understand it and accept it, because we try to understand and accept what
you do, and we don't dog you just because you like the other sex. If you
learn to understand what diversity is then this world would be such a
happier place.

~Justin~


Peter H.M. Brooks

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[ DeepFix ] <dee...@synthetic.spam.org.uk> wrote in message
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> What does the Epic of Gilgamesh have to say on the subject?
>
With a name like that, it clearly goes on for at least three hours and
is deadly dull.


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a star or
don't space cadets know the stars come out at night?


Andy Walton

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In article <9bbkvh$rkl$1...@news.intnet.mu>, "Jane" <Ja...@thewholetruth.com> wrote:

:Heterosexuals like to criticise others when they themselves have many more


:faults, defects, vices and perversions.

Your feeble attempt at satire, in its fiftieth repetition, has grown
tiresome. Please fuck off.
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Cardinal Chunder

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Apr 16, 2001, 8:34:24 AM4/16/01
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one called wrote:

> I'm no basher, but the bible states that homosexuals are perverting the
> natural way of things.
>

It's not about what's natural but what's socially acceptable. Both
paedophilia and necrophilia are found in nature but does that mean that
humans engaged in such practices don't deserve to be locked up?

Personally as long it's between consenting adults it's fine by me.

Sociologist

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The bible is a book full of violence and hatred. It encourages violence and
hatred of minorities and people who have other tastes and beliefs. Parts of
the bible
have been written by heterosexual fanatics and tyrants. These heterosexual
tyrants were homophobes and hungry of women. They were also in favour of
slavery. There are passages in the bible that encourage and/or accept
slavery. These heterosexual tyrants also encourage the submission of women
to heterosexual male authority.

- - - - - - - - - - - -

Heterosexuals are the greatest killers and the greatest perverts

Heterosexuals are the greatest killers. Since the beginning of the world
heterosexuals have killed as many as the increase in population at a
particular period and sometimes much more. For example in 1970 there were 4
billions people. Now there are 6 billions people. In 30 years the population
has increased by 2 billions. In the same period heterosexuals have killed
approximately the same number of people.

From 1970 to 1999 an average of 50 millions abortions were perpetrated each
year by heterosexuals (Data from United Nations and World Health
Organization). This means that in 30 yrs, 50x30=1500 millions abortions have
been committed. Heterosexuals are guilty of 1.5 billions abortions in that
period of time. Heterosexuals are guilty of this holocaust and genocide of
children. Heterosexuals are worst than the Nazis.

Heterosexuals committed about 150 crimes per year per million people. From
1970 to 1999 the average world population was 5 billions, that is 5000
millions people. Therefore each year heterosexuals committed 5000x150=750000
crimes. For 30 years they committed 30x750000=22,500,000 crimes.

During that period heterosexuals killed also about 100 millions people in
wars (soldiers and civil population).

During that period heterosexuals also killed about 100 millions people by
various diseases such as syphilis, gonorrhea, herpes, AIDS, tuberculosis,
leprosy, etc. In the world 85% of AIDS are caused and transmitted by
heterosexuals. AIDS is a heterosexual disease. AIDS means heterosexuality.

During that period heterosexuals have killed and maimed about 100 millions
children through wars, molestation, child batterings, ill treatment, lack of
care and abandonment. Heterosexuals had also killed and are still killing
millions of children in the bellies of their mothers by their furious and
savage copulations.

During that period heterosexuals have killed about 1,825 millions people,
that is, 1.825 billions (by abortions+crimes+wars+diseases+child batterings
and lack of care,etc).

Heterosexuals are therefore the greatest killers, the greatest murderers,
the greatest perverts and the greatest monsters.
Heterosexuals are the most dangerous people.

Shame on heterosexuals.

Heterosexuals say they give life to babies but they must remember that for
every person alive, they have killed another person. They give life, but at
what cost. The cost is violence, crimes, vices, perversions, wars,
agressions and sins. The price of their life giving is very high. They must
also remember that most heterosexuals want only to satisfy their sexual and
vicious desires. Children are just the consequences. Heterosexuals have
nothing to be proud about having children. On the contrary they should be
ashamed of themselves for all the negative and catastrophic effects of their
selfish and vicious copulations and fornications.


one called

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God does love people as much as you love the word "fuck".... but he will
judge people for what they do...and your lifestyle is against what God says
is acceptable... you are wrong and will reap what you sow...personally I
don't care what you do. I pay for my own wrongdoing.

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one called

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I'm sure that it is ...To You!

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Peter H.M. Brooks

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> On Mon, 16 Apr 2001 12:06:52 +0200, "Peter H.M. Brooks"
> <pe...@new.co.za> wrote:
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> >[ DeepFix ] <dee...@synthetic.spam.org.uk> wrote in message
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> >> What does the Epic of Gilgamesh have to say on the subject?
> >>
> >With a name like that, it clearly goes on for at least three hours
and
> >is deadly dull.
>
> It's probably written in Old Norse or Icelandic too. So whatever it
> says, you'd need a big dictionary and several weeks stuck on a desert
> island with no Man Friday [or, in your case, Woman].
>
Woman Tuesday, presumably, ones own efforts the rest of the week.

Paul A Storm

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The notion that gays are always the victim of violence and never the
perpetrators is absurd.

There are numerous case of homosexuals being violent. For example the case of
Jeffery Dahmler.

For those that need another example. Here is a link to a recent case of a "gay
couple" that kidnapped, tortured, raped and murdered a boy.
http://more.abcnews.go.com/sections/wnt/worldnewstonight/wnt010410_dirkhising_feature.html

Statistically, homosexuals are twice as likely to be assaulted or beaten by
their "partners" than heterosexuals. Homosexuals are also twice as likely to
be murdered by their homosexual partners.

Collectively, homosexuals are quite capable of acting violently. Consider the
Stonewall(sp?) riots of New York City.

Is violence by heterosexuals against homosexuals a problem? Of course it is.
As is violence against anyone. However, to suggest that heterosexual violence
against homosexuals is a pandemic is a myth.

A recent study of "hate crimes" against homosexuals was released(4/13). A
study done by a gay advocacy group, Community United Against Violence, a San
Francisco anti-violence advocacy group. It reported that attacks resulting in
serious injury due to anti-gay hate throughout the country were down 41
percent, from 363 in 1999 to 215 last year. U.S. murders motivated by anti-gay
hate were down 43 percent, from 28 in 1999 to 16 in 2000. This despite
increased tracking of these crimes.

It is curious that your are so vitriolic. Calling heterosexuals "monsters"
will do little to advance your case. Indeed it shows how much of a "us vs.
them" mentality you have. It also highlights that the real monsters are the
hobgoblins infesting your own mind.

J. Sandoval

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we as people don't in all reality don't know what exactly GOD judges
against. The bible was an interpreation of god's word written by man. In
example is that it was mans perception to what god wanted. Does man really
know what god actually wants from man kind? How do you know for a fact that
your everyday life is not judgemental to what GOD would judge against you.
If you lived as though every step that you took, that you would be judged
you would live you life in fear, because you wouldn't be sure on what was
right or what was wrong.
You are just going to have to live with the fact that there is diversity in
the world and you should not judge against those who are just living like
you are.

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bible@biblestudies.org The Bible

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Sins come from heterosexuals

The Bible says that heterosexuals have perverted the world. Adam and Eve
committed sins and perverted the world. At the time of Noah the population
was heterosexual and perverted. That's why God had drowned them. If
heterosexuals were not perverted there was no need for Jesus to come to save
the world. The bible considers heterosexuals as perverts.

Heterosexuals are responsible of the calamities of the world

Adam and Eve who were heterosexual committed sins and hence cursed mankind.
The first sin of the world was perpetrated by heterosexuals. Their son Cain
inherited the same sinful nature of his parents. He too committed sins and
killed his brother Abel. Cain who was heterosexual and criminal, also cursed
mankind. Their descendants who ressemble them, that is, those who are
heterosexual get the sinful nature of Adam, Eve and Cain. The sinful and
criminal nature of Adam, Eve and Cain has been passed on to their
descendants.
This is the reason why, for centuries, so many calamities have struck
mankind. It is because Adam, Eve and Cain who were heterosexual committed
sins and crimes.
The origin of sins and crimes come from heterosexuals. Heterosexuals
have condemned the world and humanity by a curse. Heterosexuals have
corrupted the world by their sins, vices and perversions. The source of all
evils is heterosexuals and heterosexuality. Heterosexuality is the ugly part
of mankind. Satanists like to engage in heterosexuality because the latter
is inherently evil and therefore suits their mode of living and the evil in
their hearts and minds.


J. Sandoval

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Where in the bible does it say that god comdemns homsexuality. Does man
say that or are those straight of gods mouth.
(Hint: There is no where in the bible where god does say that he comdemed
Homosexuality)


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J. Sandoval

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The last church.

What you are talking about is just two religions in society. You also have
to remember that there has been thousands religions in this world. Some
religions used gods and others used icons.
Christianity didn't come along until recently. So you have to remember that
we as in a society are currently studying a religion that is fairly new to
us. If it is fairly new how do we know that the Christian religion is to
perfection.
The bible was created by man. Man makes mistakes. Which leads me to
believe that there are mistakes in the thoughout the enitre religion.


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J. Sandoval

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The Last Church.

if there are mistakes in the entire religion then how do you know what is
fact and what is fiction? What to believe and what not to believe?


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> On Tue, 17 Apr 2001 19:16:23 GMT, "J. Sandoval" <jsdu...@home.com>
> wrote:
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> > Which leads me to
> >believe that there are mistakes in the thoughout the enitre religion.
>

> What you believe is true......
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> .
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> A preacher is the blind
> leading the blind...
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> The Last Church
> http://www.thelastchurch.org
> mic...@thelastchurch.org


Ezekiel J. Krahlin

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On Sun, 15 Apr 2001 12:52:09 -0300, "Jane" <Ja...@thewholetruth.com> wrote:
> Heterosexuals like to criticise others when they themselves have many more
> faults, defects, vices and perversions.

Couldn't agree with you more, Jane.

--------------------------------------------------------------
Permission granted by author for anyone to distribute this
writing free of charge (including translation into any
language)...under condition that no profit is made therefrom,
and that it remain intact and complete, including title and
credit to the original author. Ezekiel J. Krahlin
ezek...@my-deja.com http://surf.to/gaybible
-------------------------------------------------------------- I HATE BABIES
or
THE ROOTS OF HOMOPHOBIA (no apologies to Jonathan Swift) Š 1997 by Ezekiel J. Krahlin
(Jehovah's Queer Witness) I hate babies. Pushed in our faces in ever-increasing
numbers up and down the sidewalks of our queer neighborhoods
in cute little pink and blue strollers, they are symbols made
flesh of heterosexist arrogance. These subhuman breeders are
the real perverts, for using their own children as front-line
artillery in this war on same-sex lovers. Their disdain,
hatred and (sometimes) fear is written all over their monkey
faces. Perhaps they will think twice about "strolling" our
neighborhoods, once an outraged queer wrests a pudgy, howling
blob of protoplasm from its stroller and tosses it into a
mailbox for overnight delivery. (Or once a basher is bashed
back and roped to a tree in a queer area of a city park,
entrails spilled onto his lap with a sign on his chest:
"Homophobe".) Don't tell me that you, queer reader, do not
also entertain such thoughts of retribution from time to time.

The historical roots of modern homophobia lie in the
early Hebrews' need to propagate in order to outnumber their
tribal enemies. Thus it became a heinous sin for any male to
"spill seed" outside of a woman's "vessel". Same-sex love was
therefore incorporated by their religious leaders to be an
abomination in the eyes of God. (Christianity's emergence
carried forth this heterosexist supremacy into modern times
with a vengeance so cruel, that it can only be deemed a mass
insanity or psychosis.) Perhaps this extreme measure was a
necessary evil, as a matter of survival to a tribe threatened
with annihilation by enemies on every side. But that was
several thousand years ago, and now we live in a world far too
populated for its own well-being.

Perhaps it is time for God to reverse the ancient law of
homophobia and declare it a sin *not* to waste seed. Perhaps
we should no longer "turn the other cheek" (to use the
fundamentalists' own Christian terminology), but revert to the
ancient Mosaic law of "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth"
(or in this case, a baby for a queer). Perhaps it is time for
a "New Passover"--only this one for queers--sacrificing the
hetero firstborn of every breeder as Yahweh's warning to give
us our freedom. Perhaps the act of "breeding" (without strict
social guidelines) should now be made a crime punishable by
death. Enforced spilling of seed anywhere except in a woman's
vessel may be the "necessary evil" to save us from global
disaster--and will put new meaning in the phrase "turn the
other cheek".

Remember, homophobic swine: you do not *make* a
baby--only genetics (read "God") can do that. Woman is just
the vessel. It is how you raise a child that counts...which
has nothing to do with whether one's parents are "natural" or
not. As a matter of fact, the current rise in child abuse
(and neglect) by heterosexist parents, is so alarming that
even a test tube would provide a safer haven to these hapless
offspring. It takes no brains to insert rod A into slot B,
which is the only reason you illiterate homophobic simians can
breed at all. And the only reason most of you breed your
brains out is to assure each other that you are not
homosexual--with your fleshly offspring as your "Good
Housekeeping Seal Of Approval" to parade before us queers in
our own neighborhoods. Stop screwing, and read a good book
for once in your life.

---finis

Ezekiel J. Krahlin

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On Mon, 16 Apr 2001 02:23:40 GMT, "one called" <one-c...@home.com> wrote:
> I'm no basher, but the bible states that homosexuals are perverting the
> natural way of things.

There is no such claim to be found ANYWHERE, in any Bible. You are a basher, hetero pervert!


Ezekiel J. Krahlin

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On Mon, 16 Apr 2001 13:00:55 -0700, Paul A Storm <paul.a...@lmco.com> wrote:
> The notion that gays are always the victim of violence and never the
> perpetrators is absurd.

No, it is not. It is a stark reality.

> There are numerous case of homosexuals being violent. For example the case of
> Jeffery Dahmler.

"Numerous"? I guess the number 10 boggles your small mind. For every crime committed by a
homosexual, there are at least 50 committed by a hetero. The rate of murder, including serial
murder, is disproportionately higher among heteros than it is among gays. Singling out the few
known homosexual violaters is only to ignore the vastly higher number of hetero violaters. Does
"Charles Manson" ring a bell? How about all the horrible female sex slave rings now endemic on
a global level?

> For those that need another example. Here is a link to a recent case of a "gay
> couple" that kidnapped, tortured, raped and murdered a boy.
>
http://more.abcnews.go.com/sections/wnt/worldnewstonight/wnt010410_dirkhising_feature.htm
l

And if I wanted to bother with it, I could post 100 comparably terrible crimes committed by
HETEROSEXAULS.

> Statistically, homosexuals are twice as likely to be assaulted or beaten by
> their "partners" than heterosexuals. Homosexuals are also twice as likely to
> be murdered by their homosexual partners.

Nope; you are lying through your teeth. Statistically, gay relationships are shown to be far more
stable than straight ones. Now, that's quite an accomplishment amidst all the rampant
homophobia intrinsic to our U.S. culture. These folks deserve a gold medal for their courage and
fidelity!

> Collectively, homosexuals are quite capable of acting violently. Consider the
> Stonewall(sp?) riots of New York City.

Oh, please. They were outraged at the persistant harrassment by the police, and the gov't,
towards innocent citizens. So they finally bashed back. We gays ought to do a lot more bashing
back, until jerks like you learn to show some respect.

> Is violence by heterosexuals against homosexuals a problem? Of course it is.
> As is violence against anyone. However, to suggest that heterosexual violence
> against homosexuals is a pandemic is a myth.

Nope, it's a very real pandemic here in the U.S., and in most of the world: Latin America, the
Middle East, Asia, Eastern Europe, and Africa. That is: those strongly Catholic and Muslim
nations are the worst offenders. Homphobia is a raging pandemic that shrouds more than 3/4 of
the world in fear and ignorance, and violence.

> A recent study of "hate crimes" against homosexuals was released(4/13). A
> study done by a gay advocacy group, Community United Against Violence, a San
> Francisco anti-violence advocacy group. It reported that attacks resulting in
> serious injury due to anti-gay hate throughout the country were down 41
> percent, from 363 in 1999 to 215 last year. U.S. murders motivated by anti-gay
> hate were down 43 percent, from 28 in 1999 to 16 in 2000. This despite
> increased tracking of these crimes.

Nonsense. While murder rates are down, violent attacks are way, way up. You are intentionally
distorting CUAV's findings, which are essentially: Hate crimes against gays have vastly
increased.

> It is curious that your are so vitriolic.

That's not vitriole, that's outrage.

> Calling heterosexuals "monsters" will do little to advance your case.

On the contrary. Stating the truth as it really is, is a first step to taking effective action against
beastly forces...of which heterocentrism is rather horrid.

> It also highlights that the real monsters are the hobgoblins infesting your own mind.

Those hobgoblins are not in anyone's minds...they are running around in the flesh, bashing gays
and other innocent folk. Obviously, you are one of these nasty, little creatures...who should go
back under the rock from which you crawled, hetero pervert.

J. Sandoval

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OK im going off of what Last church said in the last posting and im am going
to ask my question once again.
He said that therre were only two things that christ teached, which was love
and compassion, love is the emotion that we get when we decide to forgive in
advance...and Love generates compassion.
God doesn't condemn homosexuality so what is so wrong with homosexuality
anyways.?


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> On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 09:00:23 GMT, "J. Sandoval" <jsdu...@home.com>
> wrote:
> >if there are mistakes in the entire religion then how do you know what is
> >fact and what is fiction? What to believe and what not to believe?
>

> Simple......
> Christ says teach only two things, love and compassion, nothing more.
> For when a person understands these Christ will teach all the rest one
> on one with each person.
>
> Anything in a bible or religion that is not of these two
> things is not of God.
>
> Christ says in all things you must separate the wheat from the chaff.
> ( the true from the false )
>
> Love is the emotion we get, when we decide to forgive in
> advance, All The mistakes a person is going to make in life.
> God can do no less. Love generates compassion.
>
> In the mind of Christ,
> Michael

Julia

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Heterosexuals hide themselves behind children. Heterosexuals always use
children as pretext. In the past they had 10 to 20 children. If they had
really wanted all those children, they should continue to have 20 children.
But nowadays contraceptives exist and they have only 1 to 3 children. This
is proof that they place the satisfaction of their desires before
everything. Heterosexuals are uncontrollable. If contraceptives do not
exist, they would still have 20 children, with all the disastrous
consequences for the family, society, the country and nature.

Moreover, all those sexual relationships are not necessary. To have 3
children only about 10 copulations are sufficient. But heterosexual couples
have on average 4000 copulations in their lives. This means that the 3990
relationships are not necessary. They use children to justify them. They
hide themselves behind children.

Artificial Insemination must be popularized. And all the companies
manufacturing contraceptives will be converted into Artificial Insemination
clinics. Then the sexual act will be a thing of the past, just as the
washing machine is replacing more and more washing by hand.

Heterosexuals are uncontrollable (compulsive desire - a mental illness).
They are also egoist, irresponsible, vicious and lascivious. They commit
millions of abortions which are premeditated crimes. They are thus
criminals.


> > Heterosexuals like to criticise others when they themselves have many
more
> > faults, defects, vices and perversions.
>
> Couldn't agree with you more, Jane.
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> Permission granted by author for anyone to distribute this
> writing free of charge (including translation into any
> language)...under condition that no profit is made therefrom,
> and that it remain intact and complete, including title and
> credit to the original author. Ezekiel J. Krahlin
> ezek...@my-deja.com http://surf.to/gaybible
> -------------------------------------------------------------- I HATE
BABIES
> or

> THE ROOTS OF HOMOPHOBIA (no apologies to Jonathan Swift) © 1997 by Ezekiel

Julia

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> and hetero vampire, hetero beast ....

Dustin Meineke

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if "God" as they call him is supposed to be loving and compassionate then he
will love all homosexuals and be compasionate for how they feel and
interact.

Given the fact you believe in "God"

I believe in Wicca, which is a pagan religeon. I believe in the goddess.
And the first chronicle of Wicca says that the goddess loves each of her
children and each are her own. And to love someone is to love thyself. To
make love to someone is to bond to them. And love between two of her
children is her blessing. A teacher and a student. A father and a son. A
man and his husband. For the goddess says "Do what thou wilst as long as
thy harm none"

The chronicles of wicca are known to be written by man from her example,
however her maxim of doing anything as long as you don't hurt another
individual are her words. And I believe them. The only way that strict
homophobes are being hurt is because they take it internally. They don't
accept it. And that is fine. Because we don't have to accept some of the
things that straight people do either!

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Cardinal Chunder

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Julia wrote:

> Heterosexuals are uncontrollable (compulsive desire - a mental illness).
> They are also egoist, irresponsible, vicious and lascivious. They commit
> millions of abortions which are premeditated crimes. They are thus
> criminals.

I think you have your "compulsive desire" which is to cross-post this
shite at regular intervals.

iciek

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> Heterosexuals hide themselves behind children. Heterosexuals always use
> children as pretext. [snip]

Failed to progress beyond coming to terms with one's sexuality have we ?
What a pity, there's so much more to life.


Nelson

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> The notion that gays are always the victim of violence and never the
> perpetrators is absurd.
>
Heterosexuals are much, much more the perpetrators of violence. Some gays
who have resorted to violence have been the victims of oppression,
repression and heterosexual dictatorship, vulgarity and brutality. They have
just revolted against cruelty. If heterosexuals have been in the same
conditions as gays they would have committed many more acts of violence.

Just as women perpetrate less violence than men, gays commit much less
violence than heterosexual men.


Heterosexuals are more likely to commit aggressions, crimes and rapes.

Many people have shown themselves to be heterosexual because of familial,
social, cultural, legal, religious and mediatic conditioning. They have not
lived according to their true nature. In reality about 20% of people are
really gays and about 20% are really bisexual.

Heterosexual men are much more prone to aggression, crimes, rapes and
violence. About 60% of the male population are heterosexual. Since males
constitute about 50% of the population, about 30% of the population are
heterosexual males. But they commit 90% of aggressions and crimes.
Therefore heterosexual men commit 21 times more crimes and aggressions than
the remaining categories. Heterosexual men are more likely to aggress and
kill people.

99.9% of women are raped by heterosexual men. Thus heterosexual men are
hundreds times more likely to rape women. Most child ill treatments are
committed by heterosexuals and these happen most of the times in families.

98% of domestic violence are caused by heterosexuals, particularly
heterosexual men.

Heterosexuals commit 99.99% of all abortions.

Since heterosexuality has so many negative effects, should it not be
prohibited? Should it not be replaced by artificial insemination for
reproduction?

Even if the other categories are not perfect, heterosexual men are far
worst. They are more criminal, vicious and perverted.

Wm James

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On Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:04:07 GMT, Ezekiel J. Krahlin
<ezek...@runbox.com> wrote:

>> There are numerous case of homosexuals being violent. For example the case of
>> Jeffery Dahmler.
>
>"Numerous"? I guess the number 10 boggles your small mind. For every crime committed by a
>homosexual, there are at least 50 committed by a hetero. The rate of murder, including serial
>murder, is disproportionately higher among heteros than it is among gays. Singling out the few
>known homosexual violaters is only to ignore the vastly higher number of hetero violaters. Does
>"Charles Manson" ring a bell? How about all the horrible female sex slave rings now endemic on
>a global level?


By your logic, you are guily by virtue of the fact that chlidl
molestors are disproportionately homosexual. And before you start
screaming, I did not say "majority homosexual."

William R. James


Wm James

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On Sat, 21 Apr 2001 12:53:24 +1000, "Nelson" <Nel...@good.data.net>
wrote:

>99.9% of women are raped by heterosexual men. Thus heterosexual men are
>hundreds times more likely to rape women. Most child ill treatments are
>committed by heterosexuals and these happen most of the times in families.


Less than 25% of women are ever raped. They are raped by heterosexual
males, almost exclusively. Just under 20% of boys are raped. They
are raped by homosexual males almost exclusively. In childhood the
rapes are nearly 50% male and female. Given that the molesters are
virtually all male, and given the fact that far less than 10% of males
are homosexuals, that means that well over five times as many
homosxual males are child molesters than heterosexual males.

William R. James

Clairo

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Can I just ask statistic givers to keep in mind the homosexual:heterosexual
proportions. While any census claiming to know homosexual and/or
heterosexual numbers is going to have some major flaws, is it unfair to
suggest that the majority of the population is heterosexual?

This discussion would also have much more credit if sources were given for
statistics or claims. While I'm not supporting either side, it is a
fruitless conversation if you just make wild, unsustained accusations.

Ms Carpenter

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Nelson

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> On Sat, 21 Apr 2001 12:53:24 +1000, "Nelson" <Nel...@good.data.net>
> wrote:
>
> >99.9% of women are raped by heterosexual men. Thus heterosexual men are
> >hundreds times more likely to rape women. Most child ill treatments are
> >committed by heterosexuals and these happen most of the times in
families.
>
>
> Less than 25% of women are ever raped. They are raped by heterosexual
> males, almost exclusively. Just under 20% of boys are raped. They
> are raped by homosexual males almost exclusively. In childhood the
> rapes are nearly 50% male and female. Given that the molesters are
> virtually all male, and given the fact that far less than 10% of males
> are homosexuals>
>
You say far less than 10% of males are homosexual. You are judging only by
appearance. You are talking only about the part that has asserted themselves
publicly. There are many people who have not shown their homosexuality or
their bisexuality due to social, religious and legal repression. In fact
about 20 % of the population are really homosexual and as much are bisexual.
If you take the true percentages you see that heterosexual males commit
proportionately many more agressions and crimes and child molestations.
Those homosexuals and bisexuals who are appearing heterosexuals lower the
proportion of crimes committed by heterosexuals.

You also say that in childhood the rapes are nearly 50% male and female.
This is questionable. In fact far more female chidren and teenagers are
raped and this by heterosexuals, men particularly. Plus they raped 25% of
women also. This means that heterosexual men are the greatest rapists. (Men
raped by homosexuals are extremely rare).

You also assume that all boys that are molested sexually are by homosexuals.
In fact boys that are molested in this way are at times molested by
heterosexuals.

Child molestation is not only sexual one. Many children around the world
and throughout history have been hit and brutalized by heterosexual men.
Formerly it was a current practice for parents (heterosexuals) to use
physical violence against their children.

The article reproduced below comes from somebody. It talks about the crimes
committed by heterosexuals against children.


Heterosexuals commit crimes against children and against humanity

Heterosexuals are perverted people. They have perpetrated almost all of the
crimes against children and against humanity. Throughout history they have
committed millions of crimes against children. Today too they commit
thousands of crimes against children. Thousands more go unnoticed since they
are not reported to the police or the press. They have used children only
for their own interests.

The children have not asked to be born. Therefore the parents have more
responsibility and duty towards the children than the children towards their
parents. The parents say they do things for the children. The children too
do things for their parents. They give meaning to their lives, they
strengthen the relationships of the parents and they give the parents a
justification to indulge in sex. Often too the children look after the
parents when they get old.

In spite of this, heterosexuals have beaten and ill-treated children for
centuries. They are also responsible of child labour. Many heterosexuals
want only to satisfy their sexual desires without caring about the
consequences. They have caused 300 millions children to be born in miserable
and dangerous conditions. They have put these children to slavery. The
figures in million on child labour by United Nations are thus:

Brazil : 45 millions Colombia : 3 M
Mexico : 10 M Pakistan : 3 M
United States : 1 M Philippines : 3.5 M
Italy : 0.5 M India : 50 M
Thailand : 3 M

and many millions in other countries also.

Battered children most of the times happen in families and are caused by
heterosexuals. The parents are not punished sufficiently. Here is a heart
breaking case among thousands others:

Police detective breaks down in child abuse case

A couple tied their son to a door for two years because he was not born a
girl, a court heard.
Police found the four year old boy and his two year old brother with
extensive injuries in a house in suburban Sydney, police woman Lola Scott
told the court.
The parents, Donald Cappeti, 39, and his wife Robyn, 38, face eight
charges of grievous bodily harm. The prosecution said they were the worst
child abusers Australia had seen.
Scott wept as she told a preliminary hearing how David Capetti, who
sufferered from gangrene in one foot, was tied to a door for two years as
punishment for not being born a girl. He weighed only 25 lbs and had severe
rope burns on his body, she said.
David and his brother Darren had not been bathed for two months and were
fed only occasionally. The younger child had extensive burns, Scott added.
The parents will appear in court again in September 12. Magistrate John
Hiatt refused bail, saying the offences were "too horrific".

In some countries children are recruited by heterosexual men as soldiers and
many die or are wounded in battle.


Paul A Storm

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Wm James wrote:

> On Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:04:07 GMT, Ezekiel J. Krahlin
> <ezek...@runbox.com> wrote:
>
> >> There are numerous case of homosexuals being violent. For example the case of
> >> Jeffery Dahmler.
> >
> >"Numerous"? I guess the number 10 boggles your small mind. For every crime committed by a
> >homosexual, there are at least 50 committed by a hetero. The rate of murder, including serial
> >murder, is disproportionately higher among heteros than it is among gays. Singling out the few
> >known homosexual violaters is only to ignore the vastly higher number of hetero violaters. Does
> >"Charles Manson" ring a bell? How about all the horrible female sex slave rings now endemic on
> >a global level?
>

Homosexuals make up 2-3% of the population. No, they do not make up the 10% number bandied about
by some. This means they make up about 1/50 of the population. So a proportion of 50 to 1 would
be expected. If that were in fact the case. Something I do not concede. I think the ratio of
homosexually motivated and heterosexually motivated murders is not 50 to 1 as you stated. If can
provide evidence, do so. Otherwise state that you can not.

Charles Manson did not kill people himself. Furthermore he did not choose victims based on sex.
This is a red herring. Furthermore, what makes you so sure that Charles Manson is not a homosexual?

Female sex slavery is abhorrent. It has little to do with a discussion of homosexual murder. More
prescient would be the child sex slave industry. In particular the homosexual exploitation of boys
in third world countries such as Thailand. Where there are active homosexual and heterosexual
child sex tours. If you would like to discuss these I suggest starting another thread.

Wm James

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On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:56:22 +1000, "Nelson" <Nel...@good.data.net>
wrote:

>
>"Wm James" <wrj...@kudzucountry.com> wrote in message
>news:91t9etsasflhu25qm...@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 21 Apr 2001 12:53:24 +1000, "Nelson" <Nel...@good.data.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >99.9% of women are raped by heterosexual men. Thus heterosexual men are
>> >hundreds times more likely to rape women. Most child ill treatments are
>> >committed by heterosexuals and these happen most of the times in
>families.
>>
>>
>> Less than 25% of women are ever raped. They are raped by heterosexual
>> males, almost exclusively. Just under 20% of boys are raped. They
>> are raped by homosexual males almost exclusively. In childhood the
>> rapes are nearly 50% male and female. Given that the molesters are
>> virtually all male, and given the fact that far less than 10% of males
>> are homosexuals>
>>
>You say far less than 10% of males are homosexual. You are judging only by
>appearance. You are talking only about the part that has asserted themselves
>publicly. There are many people who have not shown their homosexuality or
>their bisexuality due to social, religious and legal repression. In fact
>about 20 % of the population are really homosexual and as much are bisexual.
>If you take the true percentages you see that heterosexual males commit
>proportionately many more agressions and crimes and child molestations.
>Those homosexuals and bisexuals who are appearing heterosexuals lower the
>proportion of crimes committed by heterosexuals.

Unsupported and unsupportable psychobable. Perhaps as much as 5% at
most of the population is homosexual, including bisexuals. I keep
seeing activists attempting to paint the number higher but they have
to make up data to support it.

>You also say that in childhood the rapes are nearly 50% male and female.
>This is questionable. In fact far more female chidren and teenagers are
>raped and this by heterosexuals, men particularly. Plus they raped 25% of
>women also. This means that heterosexual men are the greatest rapists. (Men
>raped by homosexuals are extremely rare).

You include teenagers. That includes adults.It also includes post
puberty minors which is a social issue, not a biological issue. A 17
year old female is a physical adult and so a rapist of a 17 year old
female (although a sleezebag criminal attacker) is not a child
molester.

>You also assume that all boys that are molested sexually are by homosexuals.
>In fact boys that are molested in this way are at times molested by
>heterosexuals.

A male desiring a sex act with a male is a homosexual. Try all you
want to deny that, but it's a fact.

>Child molestation is not only sexual one. Many children around the world
>and throughout history have been hit and brutalized by heterosexual men.
>Formerly it was a current practice for parents (heterosexuals) to use
>physical violence against their children.

True. My point was that a tiny portion of the population (homosexuals)
accounts for about half of the molestors.

>The article reproduced below comes from somebody. It talks about the crimes
>committed by heterosexuals against children.

More psychobable intended to divert from the facts.

William R. James


Jaime

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Hey sweetie I'm a father of nine children, five grandchildren and my wife
and I are both what you might call "bi-sexual" we get the best of both
worlds-dead theory as far as I am concerned about gays not reproducing.

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