need help correctly expanding EIDE driver for initial NS3.3 INTEL set-up
Matthew Klionsky
set-up
I'm not a newbie, so please have pity. I've been happily driving slabs for
the past 9 years, but my company got frustrated with lack of PowerPoint and
integrated text/spreadsheet documents, and recently bought me a Windows98
laptop.
I reserved a couple of Gigs to load NS3.3 on it, and I already have the
software media. Or at least most of it. Trouble is, the wintel's CD drive
is EIDE/ATAPI, not SCSI, and the drivers that come on the driver floppy from
Apple/NeXT are all SCSI. Shouldn't be a problem, right? After all, the
drivers are available for download at peak.org, and copies are also included
in the Driver folder of the y2k patch2 CD, which I have. But, neither ZIP
nor Alladin utilities (on the wintel box) seem able to fully unpack these
drivers, which are in NeXT's .pkg format. And, I can de-tar them on my
slab, but OPENER recognizes them as intel drivers and will neither install
nor expand them. There isn't any way I've found on either box to make the
EIDE driver (either retrieved from the upgrade CD or downloaded over the
web) share the format of the other drivers on the driver floppy that is
provided for use in installing NS3.3 on Intel hardware.
So I need guidance from one of the many of you who must have already solved
this problem. I have clecked NeXTAnswers and a couple months of the usenet
groups, but haven't found the answer.
Is there any way to get this done without getting a SCSI adaptor for the
laptop? I'm a bit hesitant on that score too, since it seems that the only
SCSI PMCIA card option is the Adaptec SlimScsi 1460x (or its NEC clone), and
the driver floppy doesn't list any option obviously capable of driving that,
either, so even if I got one, I might be right back in the same boat.
Please point me in the right direction on this. It would be really nice to
have NS on the laptop, and then I could stick with NS for most of what I do,
while using the Windows side for the java-capable browser and contemporary
file attachment formats.
Sebastian Niesen
Download the new installation disk images at Apple's ftp site and use
those for booting in the following order:
1st: Installation disk
2st: Core driver update disk
3rd: First Beta driver disk
The EIDE driver you need is on the first beta driver disk.
hth,
Sebastian
H.-R. Oberhage
: subj: need help correctly expanding EIDE driver for initial NS3.3 INTEL
: set-up
: [...]
: in the Driver folder of the y2k patch2 CD, which I have. But, neither ZIP
: nor Alladin utilities (on the wintel box) seem able to fully unpack these
: drivers, which are in NeXT's .pkg format. And, I can de-tar them on my
: slab, but OPENER recognizes them as intel drivers and will neither install
: nor expand them. There isn't any way I've found on either box to make the
: EIDE driver (either retrieved from the upgrade CD or downloaded over the
: web) share the format of the other drivers on the driver floppy that is
: provided for use in installing NS3.3 on Intel hardware.
Your only problem with OPENER is, that NeXT/Apple (probably) used their
own 'tar' format. So use OPENER to get to the .pkg-directoryt, and in
it decompress the .tar.gz. or .tar.Z file, so that a .tar is all that's
left from that file. Then use the program
/NextAdmin/Installer.app/installer_bigtar just like you would with a
"normal 'tar'" and, viola, there are the files (, I hope :-)).
You can then install the driver just like on the 'driver-diskette' or you
can replace the "original" driver on a diskette like the 'additional
driver diskette' found on NeXTanswers, if your driver is newer. You might
even try to put it on (a copy of!) the original driver diskette, but I
don't think it fits (for size reasons).
: Is there any way to get this done without getting a SCSI adaptor for the
: laptop? I'm a bit hesitant on that score too, since it seems that the only
: SCSI PMCIA card option is the Adaptec SlimScsi 1460x (or its NEC clone), and
: the driver floppy doesn't list any option obviously capable of driving that,
: either, so even if I got one, I might be right back in the same boat.
Yes, I once succeede on a Toshiba laptop with such a diskette combination
containing an appropriate EIDE-driver.
Greetings,
Ruediger Oberhage
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Uli Zappe
> subj: need help correctly expanding EIDE driver for initial NS3.3 INTEL
> set-up
I just did the same thing successfully, so a few additions to what others have
already said:
> I reserved a couple of Gigs to load NS3.3 on it, and I already have the
> software media. Or at least most of it. Trouble is, the wintel's CD drive
> is EIDE/ATAPI, not SCSI, and the drivers that come on the driver floppy from
> Apple/NeXT are all SCSI. Shouldn't be a problem, right? After all, the
> drivers are available for download at peak.org, and copies are also included
> in the Driver folder of the y2k patch2 CD, which I have. But, neither ZIP
> nor Alladin utilities (on the wintel box) seem able to fully unpack these
> drivers, which are in NeXT's .pkg format. And, I can de-tar them on my
> slab, but OPENER recognizes them as intel drivers and will neither install
> nor expand them.
As far as I remember, Apple packed the archives with a misleading extension. If
I remember correctly, I removed the ".gz" at the end of the archives, and voila,
Opener opened them. It is definitely no problem to open the archives from Apple
with Opener on Black Hardware once you get the extension right. Of course you
can't install them, but there's no need for that (on the contrary, already
installed drivers won't work on the installation disks!). Just copy them on your
installation diskette.
The new drivers are bigger than the old ones, so I deleted a few drivers on the
drivers diskette I will surely never need (I did this on the original media - I
see no reason not to do this, copying works just fine)
> Is there any way to get this done without getting a SCSI adaptor for the
> laptop? I'm a bit hesitant on that score too, since it seems that the only
> SCSI PMCIA card option is the Adaptec SlimScsi 1460x (or its NEC clone), and
> the driver floppy doesn't list any option obviously capable of driving that,
> either, so even if I got one, I might be right back in the same boat.
You are right, the SCSI solution will NOT work. The necessary drivers ARE on the
drivers disk (well at least on the OPENSTEP drivers disk which I used), but that
won't help, because SCSI drives accessed through a PCMCIA card ahave no DMA
access and therefore are NOT bootable. If you try to use it as root device, this
will work, however then you can't mount the laptop's EIDE disk anymore to copy
the files to it; so you would be stuck either way.
Bye
Uli
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