iDVD no longer available. ^&@$&^%@^&%!!!!
Ernest
found where I could buy iDVD2 for $49.95. Not iMovie, iDVD 2. Today,
all the links that say "Buy iDVD" go to a page to buy the version 2
upgrade CD.
Interestingly, the system requirements for the upgrade do not say it
requires a previous version of iDVD. I find this hard to believe so I
can't say for sure what's going on.
Maybe I'm missing something but if iDVD cannot be purchased, Apple just
cut off all Mac owners from making DVDs except for those who've bought
superdrive equipped systems or buy the $1000 DVD Studio Pro. Of course
PC users can just buy a superdrive and they get everything they need.
Mac users get to buy the drive and buy the $1000 professional package.
Hopefully, this is just a website predictor of a pre-Quicktime-live
announcement that will address the sorry state of DVD production on the
Mac platform.
Did I miss something?
sbt
Ernest <topdow...@mac.com> wrote:
Well, iDVD only works with internal SuperDrive models anyway. Since it
won't work (currently) with external SuperDrives, draw the obvious
conclusion.
--
--Spenser
Beelsebob
Apple expect that you have bought a computer with a superdrive in it,
and hence when you bought your computer you also got a copy of iDVD.
If you don't have a superdrive then iDVD wont burn the disk anyway.
Charles Martin
Ernest <topdow...@mac.com> wrote:
> I swear, within the last two weeks I went to the Apple online store and
> found where I could buy iDVD2 for $49.95.
I think maybe you were hitting the shrooms. I don't recall seeing iDVD
(any version) for sale ever. There was a FREE download of iDVD2 a while
back.
> Interestingly, the system requirements for the upgrade do not say it
> requires a previous version of iDVD.
That's because it doesn't.
> Maybe I'm missing something but if iDVD cannot be purchased, Apple just
> cut off all Mac owners from making DVDs except for those who've bought
> superdrive equipped systems or buy the $1000 DVD Studio Pro.
Given that iDVD only works with systems that have Superdrives, how is this
a problem?
> Of course
> PC users can just buy a superdrive and they get everything they need.
Except the ability to make DVDs as easily or as fast as iDVD or DVD SP
does.
> Mac users get to buy the drive and buy the $1000 professional package.
Or look on ebay for 10 seconds.
> Did I miss something?
I'd say yes.
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macoutosh
recall some people claiming that it was indeed and upgrade requiring a previous
version.
Meanwhile, that iDVD requires an internal superdrive doesn't precluded it from
being used by Mac users who did not purchase a 'superdrive installed G4.
Afterall, it's possible to install a Pioneer drive internally on non superdrive
Macs
Ernest
Charles Martin <rub...@bollocks.org> wrote:
>In article <eIS38.9376$ag5.8...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
> Ernest <topdow...@mac.com> wrote:
>
>> I swear, within the last two weeks I went to the Apple online store and
>> found where I could buy iDVD2 for $49.95.
>
>I think maybe you were hitting the shrooms. I don't recall seeing iDVD
>(any version) for sale ever. There was a FREE download of iDVD2 a while
>back.
Right. That was it. It was a free download. Even better. So it was
free before and now you can't get it at all.
>
>> Interestingly, the system requirements for the upgrade do not say it
>> requires a previous version of iDVD.
>
>That's because it doesn't.
I called Apple and according to them, the installer won't install unless
a prior version is already installed.
>
>> Maybe I'm missing something but if iDVD cannot be purchased, Apple just
>> cut off all Mac owners from making DVDs except for those who've bought
>> superdrive equipped systems or buy the $1000 DVD Studio Pro.
>
>Given that iDVD only works with systems that have Superdrives, how is this
>a problem?
If you are right, then how are all those people on XLR8YOURMAC
installing iDVD (apparently when they got it for free download) on
systems with the OEM version of the Superdrive and ot works just fine.
Therefore, you are wrong.
>
>
>> Of course
>> PC users can just buy a superdrive and they get everything they need.
>
>Except the ability to make DVDs as easily or as fast as iDVD or DVD SP
>does.
Except the fact that we can't get iDVD without purchasing a new Mac. So
what does it matter how good it is?
>
>> Mac users get to buy the drive and buy the $1000 professional package.
>
>Or look on ebay for 10 seconds.
I'm a sport. I spent over a minute and did a search on iDVD. Only
thing that comes up are four instructional videos.
>
>> Did I miss something?
>
>I'd say yes.
But then again, doesn't look like you know what your talking about.
Charles Martin
macoutosh <m...@skslsoeruyfhf.hd> wrote:
> Afterall, it's possible to install a Pioneer drive internally on non
> superdrive
> Macs
Yes, provided it is a minimum of 733MHz.
At that point, you will have to buy a copy of iDVD or iDVD2 from ebay,
because at present the only way to get the current version is by
purchasing an Apple machine capable of running it (ie required hardware
and software).
Charles Martin
Ernest <topdow...@mac.com> wrote:
> In article <CR_38.437760$oj3.82...@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>,
> Charles Martin <rub...@bollocks.org> wrote:
>
> >I think maybe you were hitting the shrooms. I don't recall seeing iDVD
> >(any version) for sale ever. There was a FREE download of iDVD2 a while
> >back.
> Right. That was it. It was a free download. Even better. So it was
> free before and now you can't get it at all.
It was free because it was beta, wasn't it?
> >Given that iDVD only works with systems that have Superdrives, how is this
> >a problem?
> If you are right, then how are all those people on XLR8YOURMAC
> installing iDVD (apparently when they got it for free download) on
> systems with the OEM version of the Superdrive and ot works just fine.
> Therefore, you are wrong.
No, I'm not wrong. iDVD requires a Superdrive be present in order to work.
I did *not* say that the Superdrive had to be installed at the factory.
> Except the fact that we can't get iDVD without purchasing a new Mac. So
> what does it matter how good it is?
I think it's pretty obvious that Apple does not intend to support
third-party Superdrive sales (nor should they) by giving away iDVD. If you
want iDVD2, you will need to buy a new G4 or locate someone who has a
legal copy to sell. Otherwise, you need to use third-party software to run
your third-party drive.
Apple may, at some point, decide to sell iDVD2. Maybe they'll let you know
if you ask. You might try emailing Mike Evangelist at Apple with your
question.
> >Or look on ebay for 10 seconds.
> I'm a sport. I spent over a minute and did a search on iDVD. Only
> thing that comes up are four instructional videos.
iDVD has been on there before, and I imagine it will be on there again.
ss
Charles Martin wrote:
> I think it's pretty obvious that Apple does not intend to support
> third-party Superdrive sales (nor should they) by giving away iDVD. If you
> want iDVD2, you will need to buy a new G4 or locate someone who has a
> legal copy to sell. Otherwise, you need to use third-party software to run
> your third-party drive.
>
> Apple may, at some point, decide to sell iDVD2. Maybe they'll let you know
> if you ask. You might try emailing Mike Evangelist at Apple with your
> question.
"Nor should they"????
First no one is saying 'give it away'. They can charge the $20.
But if Apple's attitude is to not support its loyal customers, then maybe they
should advertise their computers with the caveat that they are generally hardware
and software limited by policy), and non-suitable for adding DVD burner and
authoring; and that they couldn't care less about their loyal customers acquiring
DVD authoring capability.
I have a 733mhz G4 and there is no reason that I shouldn't be able to install a DVD
burner - except that Apple won't supply the $20 software it gave free to those who
got a 733 with a DVD burner installed. Being that there is no other such software
avaliable (like iDVD) for the Mac, the public should know they might be better off
buying a PC if they like to add video DVD burner and authoring capability.
visual solutions
$20.
The dealer wa Trimac UK
in Sheffield
UK
England.
I have the full cd 1gb ! in my drawer in my office at work.
So i cant understand your problem.
Mike
Visual Solutions
"ss" <y...@sssiiop.kl> wrote in message news:3C53EE81...@sssiiop.kl...
Charles Martin
> Charles Martin wrote:
>
> > I think it's pretty obvious that Apple does not intend to support
> > third-party Superdrive sales (nor should they) by giving away iDVD. If you
> > want iDVD2, you will need to buy a new G4 or locate someone who has a
> > legal copy to sell. Otherwise, you need to use third-party software to run
> > your third-party drive.
> >
> > Apple may, at some point, decide to sell iDVD2. Maybe they'll let you know
> > if you ask. You might try emailing Mike Evangelist at Apple with your
> > question.
>
> "Nor should they"????
Yes, "nor should they." Why should they support retro-fitting third-party
Superdrives into their machines for the benefit of people using basic,
consumer-level software? It will just cause APPLE to experience a lot of
tech-support calls/issues that aren't their fault.
Apple has, IMHO, hit on the right solution. You want to retrofit a
Superdrive into your G4? Go right ahead. You'll need to buy our PROFITABLE
dvd software, though, if you want to use it.
> But if Apple's attitude is to not support its loyal customers, then maybe
> they
> should advertise their computers with the caveat that they are generally
> hardware
> and software limited by policy), and non-suitable for adding DVD burner and
> authoring; and that they couldn't care less about their loyal customers
> acquiring
> DVD authoring capability.
This is simply ridiculous. I suppose you want to retrofit a sticker on to
every pre-FW iMac that says "WARNING: cannot use Superdrive" as well? How
about PPC's? 68K machines?
Or perhaps you'd be happy to settle for just having Apple warn resellers
that 68K machines cannot play MP3s. It's an outrage, I tell ya!
While we're at it, can we put warnings on all USB-equipped computers that
say "WARNING: burning a CD with a USB burner generally sucks and you'd
really be better off not doing that"? How about "WARNING: If you use
Internet Explorer even ONCE on this machine, it will take over virtually
every setting you have and prove nearly impossible to correct/remove"?
> I have a 733mhz G4 and there is no reason that I shouldn't be able to install
> a DVD
> burner - except that Apple won't supply the $20 software it gave free to
> those who
> got a 733 with a DVD burner installed.
You sound like a spoiled child to me. There *IS* software out there that
will let you burn DVDs on your retrofit third-party Superdrive *right now*
-- you just don't want to pay for it.
Apple *may* at some point sell iDVD as a separate product, but I doubt it
because if they did, whiners like you would complain that it doesn't
support every conceivable third-party DVD-R vendor out there, rendering it
useless.
> Being that there is no other such
> software
> avaliable (like iDVD) for the Mac, the public should know they might be
> better off
> buying a PC if they like to add video DVD burner and authoring capability.
LOL! That's rich.
tony
any, Pioneer does.
What Apple needs to support is their PLATFORM and their CUSTOMERS.
My 733mhz machine is at the same level as the current models. No I take it back, it
is better - because it has a additional cache that was removed form the current 733
machine.
I'm not asking for support for an old outdated Mac, (as you seem to want to
portray) but better than current 733mhz model.
Is it to much to expect as much support and product access as PC users get?
The other software you speak of, IMHO, is way overpriced. The best music
editing/recording software is easily as sophisticated (if not more) as any DV
editing program - and it costs half as much.
Then still, PC users aren't being gouged for DVD editing software, a lot is coming
free with 3rd party burners.
And your (multiple) name calling identifies you and your opinions as puerile and
not worthty of any fruther repsonse.
tony
assuming they still have any).
The other is that I don't see any web site for them.
Tom Cole
Perhaps it's a nitpick, but I don't think the 733mhz limit is real, or at
least absolute. I have a G4 450DP, and was able to install a Superdrive in
it, and use iDVD2 for X with no trouble... and the "upgrade" disc didn't
scan looking for an older copy of iDVD or anything... well worth the $20 to
get the "upgrade".
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Ernest
>> > I think it's pretty obvious that Apple does not intend to support
>> > third-party Superdrive sales (nor should they) by giving away iDVD. If you
>> > want iDVD2, you will need to buy a new G4 or locate someone who has a
>> > legal copy to sell. Otherwise, you need to use third-party software to run
>> > your third-party drive.
Well contrary to what you say, Apple does support "third-party" drives.
iDVD 2 on a Sawtooth with the Pioneer A03 works fine. See
www.xlr8yourmac.com
>> > Apple may, at some point, decide to sell iDVD2. Maybe they'll let you know
>> > if you ask. You might try emailing Mike Evangelist at Apple with your
>> > question.
Actually, I called Apple myself and they told be their iDVD 2 CD
required a prior installion of iDVD. But, they were wrong. I ordered
the $20 CD and it installed and ran without a DVD burner installed.
>Why should they support retro-fitting third-party
>Superdrives into their machines for the benefit of people using basic,
>consumer-level software? It will just cause APPLE to experience a lot of
>tech-support calls/issues that aren't their fault.
Apparently, Apple disagrees. They do support the drive if you define
"support" by the code works. iDVD 2 now launches even without a drive
installed.
Ernest
the "Upgrade CD" against Apple's assertion that it required a prior
version to be installed. It installes just fine and it runs without a
Pioneer A03 in the box. Although it does make it difficult to burn a
DVD. :-)
In article <3C50C38A...@skslsoeruyfhf.hd>,
macoutosh <m...@skslsoeruyfhf.hd> wrote:
DVD Evangelist
> > >(any version) for sale ever. There was a FREE download of iDVD2 a
> > >while back.
iDVD2 was never available for download. It's almost a gigabyte, so it
would be very inconvenient for most people to download it. That's why we
decided to put it on a DVD and offer it for $20.
As some have already mentioned, it's not a secret that anyone can order
the disc. And it will install even on systems without a SuperDrive.
However, iDVD checks for the presence of an internal SuperDrive on
launch, and won't function without one.
> Apple may, at some point, decide to sell iDVD2. Maybe they'll let you
> know if you ask. You might try emailing Mike Evangelist at Apple with your
> question.
I'm here. It's nice to know people are so passionate about iDVD.
Unfortunately, as I'm sure you know, I can't talk about future product
plans.
But we're listening. And I'm always happy to have more input on our
products. My real email is my last name at Apple dot com, or idvd at the
same domain.
Sincerely,
--
Mike Evangelist
Apple Computer
Director of Product Marketing (and DVD guy)
Yves Dufour
Ernest à topdow...@mac.com a écrit le 30/01/02 4:21 :
> Apparently, Apple disagrees. They do support the drive if you define
> "support" by the code works. iDVD 2 now launches even without a drive
> installed.
iDVD2 first message is :
"can't open because the necessary hardware is not there.."
(don't know the right English version of this msg.. I've a French OS.. but
it should be equivalent..)
Charles Martin
"Tom Cole" <tom....@sas.com> wrote:
> Perhaps it's a nitpick, but I don't think the 733mhz limit is real, or at
> least absolute. I have a G4 450DP, and was able to install a Superdrive in
> it, and use iDVD2 for X with no trouble... and the "upgrade" disc didn't
> scan looking for an older copy of iDVD or anything... well worth the $20 to
> get the "upgrade".
You're right. The speed of your encoding and burn, however, IS affected by
the processor speed.
Charles Martin
DVD Evangelist <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
Thank you, Mike, for clarifying. I hope people here will take the
opportunity to give you their feedback.
You guys do a great job and iDVD is one of the apps that really get PC
people thinking about switching.
Steven Kan
>
> >> > I think it's pretty obvious that Apple does not intend to support
> >> > third-party Superdrive sales (nor should they) by giving away iDVD. If you
> >> > want iDVD2, you will need to buy a new G4 or locate someone who has a
> >> > legal copy to sell. Otherwise, you need to use third-party software to run
> >> > your third-party drive.
>
> Well contrary to what you say, Apple does support "third-party" drives.
> iDVD 2 on a Sawtooth with the Pioneer A03 works fine. See
> www.xlr8yourmac.com
Here's the specific link:
http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/feedback/idvd2patch.html
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Ernest
contrary, iDVD launches on my system without an internal Pioneer A03
installed. I did the tutorial and everything. I have a G4 500DP with
DVD-RAM drive. Pioneer burner was sitting in a FIrewire case powered
OFF. When I got to the Burn step I went ahead and it spit out a CD that
was in the DVD-RAM drive tray.
I am concluding that the DVD-RAM drive is tricking the launching code
into thinking there is a burner. Mind you I don't see that this matters
a whit. I can't do much with iDVD unless I actually burn DVDs.
In article <B87D6C16.404B%yves....@noos.fr>,
tony
a burner) makes sense.
So at this point, I believe, we can conclude that iDVD2 is available and
useable to everyone who installs an 'internal' Pioneer A03 and is running
OS10.
visual solutions
I am a hardcore PC user
I have a video editing turnkey solution at home running win2k and a pioneer
ao3 with a matrox g400 capture system and 2x 80 gb hard disks.
At work I have a G4 superdrive system with 20" cinema and 2x 15" lcds.
Running osx 1.2 and idvd2 + fcp2
We capture using a Formac DV Bridge.
I love the g4 and its editing capabilities.So easy to get good results!!!
Its so much easier than the pc at home.
Im really convinced and use the mac for all my editing and dvd creation.
I just use the pc for post production edits, eg my spinning logos and
showreel intro creation.
I have boris red and hollywoodfx on the pc so thats done at that stage.
I am currently buying a new imac with superdrive at home for the home
business.
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Charles Martin
"visual solutions" <MJE...@visualfx.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> I am one of those turned people.!!
> I am a hardcore PC user
> I have a video editing turnkey solution at home running win2k and a pioneer
> ao3 with a matrox g400 capture system and 2x 80 gb hard disks.
>
> At work I have a G4 superdrive system with 20" cinema and 2x 15" lcds.
> Running osx 1.2 and idvd2 + fcp2
> We capture using a Formac DV Bridge.
> I love the g4 and its editing capabilities.So easy to get good results!!!
Congratulations! I hope you enjoy it!
Steven Kan
Well I took a $20 gamble and ordered the iDVD 2 CD from Apple, just to
try and play with it on my burner-lacking G4/450DP, running 10.1.2.
It fails to launch with a "could not find the required hardware."
I downloaded the aforementioned patch and tried to run all four
versions. All failed with an error that the data read was not what was
expected, and the patch had failed. I tried this on the just-installed
iDVD2, and on the iDVD.app after I had applied the 2.0.5 update from
Apple.
Does anyone know of anything I can try next?
Thanks!
poldy
wrote:
>
> Well I took a $20 gamble and ordered the iDVD 2 CD from Apple, just to
> try and play with it on my burner-lacking G4/450DP, running 10.1.2.
>
> It fails to launch with a "could not find the required hardware."
>
> I downloaded the aforementioned patch and tried to run all four
> versions. All failed with an error that the data read was not what was
> expected, and the patch had failed. I tried this on the just-installed
> iDVD2, and on the iDVD.app after I had applied the 2.0.5 update from
> Apple.
>
> Does anyone know of anything I can try next?
If you want to use it with a third-party DVD-RW drive, it probably won't
work. It's probably checking for mechanisms with special Apple
firmware, like their hard drives. Drive Setup and its predecessors only
formatted Apple drives, IIRC.
Only thing different about Apple drives and third-party drives is
probably the firmware, since obviously Apple and 3rd-party peripheral
makers get the mechanisms from the same sources.
Robert H. Hedges
the exact right Pioneer (I believe- see MacWorld Feb 02) unit inside.
RH
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