USA TODAY/AVCA Coaches Top 15 Poll
Gavin Markovits
1 Hawai'i (16) 240 9-0 1
2 Long Beach State 216 7-2 2
3 UCLA 210 8-2 4
4 Stanford 188 7-1 5
5 UC Santa Barbara 178 5-3 3
6 Cal State Northridge 160 5-5 6
7 USC 133 4-4 9
8 Pepperdine 123 6-4 7
9 Lewis 109 10-0 11
10 Ball State 90 8-3 8
11 Pacific 80 8-2 14
12 BYU 66 4-4 10
13 Penn State 63 7-4 12
14 UC Irvine 37 6-7 13
15 Ohio State 25 7-2 15
Others Receiving Points: San Diego State, Loyola Marymount
Gavin Markovits
Assistant Director of Sports Information
American Volleyball Coaches Association
719-576-7777 ext. 105
gma...@avca.org
Joshua R. Stephens
>Rank School (First-Place Votes) Total Points 1996 Record Last Week
>1 Hawai'i (16) 240 9-0 1
>2 Long Beach State 216 7-2 2
>3 UCLA 210 8-2 4
>4 Stanford 188 7-1 5
>5 UC Santa Barbara 178 5-3 3
>6 Cal State Northridge 160 5-5 6
>7 USC 133 4-4 9
>8 Pepperdine 123 6-4 7
>9 Lewis 109 10-0 11
Pardon my ignorance, but I don't know a thing about Lewis. I've heard of
them because they've been an MIVA also-ran for quite a while, but in
honor of their recent surge, I have a few questions: where the hell is
it? Whom have they played to got 10-0? and who's on their roster? At any
rate, their obviously a strong team, so I guess they deserve props even
if I haven't really heard of them.
Bruno Wolff III
] Pardon my ignorance, but I don't know a thing about Lewis. I've heard of
] honor of their recent surge, I have a few questions: where the hell is
] it? Whom have they played to got 10-0? and who's on their roster? At any
] rate, their obviously a strong team, so I guess they deserve props even
] if I haven't really heard of them.
They are located a bit south of Chicago, near Joliet.
Wally Hendricks
Lewis is a very small university. They just started their volleyball team a
couple of years ago. The coach was able to sign 3 (or 4) players off a
Canadian junior team that (I believe) won the Ontario championship. These
players are very good. Three are now juniors on the team. Combine them with
some good young players out of the Chicago area and you get a pretty strong
squad. They weren't a lot weaker than Ohio State and Ball State last year.
With two years of experience, I'm not surprised that they are tough this year.
Their setter, in particular, is just below national caliber.
Wally Hendricks (wa...@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu)
University of Illinois
217 333-6028 FAX 217 333-6028
IleneA
weeks ago:
Lewis University is "A Christian Brothers University" located in
Romeoville, IL. Romeoville is a far southwest suburb of Chicago, located
just north of Joliet, IL.
Last year the team finished 13th in the AVCA poll, with wins over Ball
State, Ohio State and San Diego State. The team returned 5 starters for
the 1996 season. Head coach is Dave Deuser, Assistant Coach is Chris
Federico, strength coach is Creig Federico. The roster is:
Troy Hari, Soph, S, 6-1, Frankfort, IL
Doug McBride, Jr, S, 6-4, Scarborough, Ont.
Bart Bachorski, Jr, OH/Opp, 6-6, Warsaw, Poland
Victor Rivera, Fr, MB, 6-5, Naranjito, PR.
Sinisha Dordevic, Sr, OH, 6-1, Kitchener, Ont.
Jeff Sauck, Sr, OH, 6-5, Madison, WI
Steve Ijams, Sr, S, 6-2, Palatine, IL
Scott Mebruer, Jr, OH, 6-4, St. Louis, MO
Chris Borden, Sr, MB, 6-5, Orangeville, Ont.
Mike Prosek, Jr, Opp, 6-4, Oak Lawn, IL
Ryan Schmidt, Soph, OH, 6-3, Flossmoor, IL
Pat Damm, Fr, MB, 6-7, Hanover Park, IL
I don't know who the starters are, since I haven't yet attended a match (I
will, I WILL!), and of course the media coverage of a Top Twenty
undefeated team is non-existant.
So far the team has victories over Rutgers, Loyola (IL), IPFW, and Ball
State. The next two weeks will tell the story, as the upcoming schedule
includes away matches at Ohio State (2/24), UC Santa Barbara (3/3), San
Diego State (3/5), and UCLA (3/8).
No charge,
Ilene
Wally Hendricks
>j...@tucson.princeton.edu (Joshua R. Stephens) wrote:
>
>>In article <gmarko-2002...@pc-5.avca.org> gma...@avca.org (Gavin
> Markovits) writes:
>>>Rank School (First-Place Votes) Total Points 1996 Record Last Week
>>>1 Hawai'i (16) 240 9-0 1
>>>2 Long Beach State 216 7-2 2
>>>3 UCLA 210 8-2 4
>>>4 Stanford 188 7-1 5
>>>5 UC Santa Barbara 178 5-3 3
>>>6 Cal State Northridge 160 5-5 6
>>>7 USC 133 4-4 9
>>>8 Pepperdine 123 6-4 7
>>>9 Lewis 109 10-0 11
>> ^^^^^^^
>>them because they've been an MIVA also-ran for quite a while, but in
>>honor of their recent surge, I have a few questions: where the hell is
>>it? Whom have they played to got 10-0? and who's on their roster? At any
>>rate, their obviously a strong team, so I guess they deserve props even
>>if I haven't really heard of them.
>
Wow, Oren, with such great abilities, you should surely join the AVP tour.
That way you could also predict that every team outside the U.S. is horrible.
>I am so sick of many of the midwest and east coast teams getting
>entirely to much credit. I havee played against most of them and with
>the exception of the '93 IPFW team and the National champion Nittany
>Lions, they all suck.
Oren Zaslansky
>In article <gmarko-2002...@pc-5.avca.org> gma...@avca.org (Gavin Markovits) writes:
>>Rank School (First-Place Votes) Total Points 1996 Record Last Week
>>1 Hawai'i (16) 240 9-0 1
>>2 Long Beach State 216 7-2 2
>>3 UCLA 210 8-2 4
>>4 Stanford 188 7-1 5
>>5 UC Santa Barbara 178 5-3 3
>>6 Cal State Northridge 160 5-5 6
>>7 USC 133 4-4 9
>>8 Pepperdine 123 6-4 7
>>9 Lewis 109 10-0 11
> ^^^^^^^
>Pardon my ignorance, but I don't know a thing about Lewis. I've heard of
>them because they've been an MIVA also-ran for quite a while, but in
>honor of their recent surge, I have a few questions: where the hell is
>it? Whom have they played to got 10-0? and who's on their roster? At any
>rate, their obviously a strong team, so I guess they deserve props even
>if I haven't really heard of them.
I'm sorry, but I don't need to see Lewis to know that their horrible.
Joshua R. Stephens
anyone, and, futhermore, you're not even right.
True, there are MANY teams in the east that would get thumped by a CA
high school team, but this isn't to say that there aren't a few eastern
teams that can play on the same court as the top 10. For instance,
Princeton - 5th in the EIVA last year - took Long Beach to a good four
games last year. They didn't win of course, but they were respectable.
Furthermore, Rutgers-Newark w/ Jose-Luis were sweet last year, and
proabably could have knocked off some of the middle-of-the-pack MPSF
teams.
Anyhow, you're right in general even if you do express your views without
a hint of eloquence, but considering the amount of support from East Coast
Athl. depts and the lousy image that people continue to perpetuate about
the East, I think they're doing all right.
Matthew Strange
> I'm sorry, but I don't need to see Lewis to know that their horrible.
> I am so sick of many of the midwest and east coast teams getting
> entirely to much credit.
Is this where that "West Coast Arrogance" I always hear about comes to
light?
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myer...@juncol.juniata.edu
> In article <4glsa8$k...@cloner3.netcom.com>, z...@ix.netcom.com (Oren Zaslansky) wrote:
>>
>>>In article <gmarko-2002...@pc-5.avca.org> gma...@avca.org (Gavin
>> Markovits) writes:
>>>>Rank School (First-Place Votes) Total Points 1996 Record Last Week
>>>>1 Hawai'i (16) 240 9-0 1
>>>>2 Long Beach State 216 7-2 2
>>>>3 UCLA 210 8-2 4
>>>>4 Stanford 188 7-1 5
>>>>5 UC Santa Barbara 178 5-3 3
>>>>6 Cal State Northridge 160 5-5 6
>>>>7 USC 133 4-4 9
>>>>8 Pepperdine 123 6-4 7
>>>>9 Lewis 109 10-0 11
>>> ^^^^^^^
>>>Pardon my ignorance, but I don't know a thing about Lewis. I've heard of
>>>them because they've been an MIVA also-ran for quite a while, but in
>>>honor of their recent surge, I have a few questions: where the hell is
>>>it? Whom have they played to got 10-0? and who's on their roster? At any
>>>rate, their obviously a strong team, so I guess they deserve props even
>>>if I haven't really heard of them.
>>
>
>
>>I am so sick of many of the midwest and east coast teams getting
>>the exception of the '93 IPFW team and the National champion Nittany
>>Lions, they all suck.
>>
>
Before you run your mouth again and continue your ongoing display of ignorance,
Oren, I'll help you think this whole thing over.
Lewis is ranked number nine, Oren. Nobody is arguing that Hawaii should be
mapping their championship drive with a stop in Illinois. Nor is anybody
suggesting that the Gauchos, 49ers, Bruins, etc should be counting their
blessings that their place in the MPSF elite is not threatened by Lewis.
The voting coaches, in their New Volleyball World Order effort to give the
East and Midwest "entirely to much credit", are simply saying that the top
teams east of the Mississippi are probably middle-of-the-pack MPSF teams, that
isn't what you would consider a gigantic leap of faith. Unless, of course,
your West-coast superiority trip feels threatened--is that your story Oren?
As for your assumption that, except for the '93 IPFW team and the National
champion Penn State squad, all the teams in these parts suck, I'll remind
you of last year, if you can remember back that far. UCLA, you and I will no
doubt agree, was good, but, trying to see this from your point of view now,
Oren, you would have to skip over the runner-up Nittany Lions and third place
Ball State to start finding non-sucking teams again. So, if you and I are on
the same wavelength now, anywhere below number 1 sucks. In that case who the
hell cares if Lewis is number 9 or number 2? As a moral to this story, Oren,
I don't know whether to tell you to look before you leap, or to remind you that
those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.
For my final thoughts for you, Oren, I'll work under your assumption that
volleyball ability is a function of distance from the Pacific Ocean. Who
cares what any of these East or Midwest teams are ranked. If the number two
team in the west wants to prove they are better than the teams in the east and
midwest, they can do that at the Final 4 (which, if you can't remember all the
way back to the last paragraph, they didn't last year). And finally Oren,
judging from your all-knowing statement about little-old-Lewis, you probably
don't have all that much respect for small schools playing varsity volleyball.
If it weren't for the Lewis', the Vassar's, the Juniata's, and the Ramapo's of
the volleyball world, we'd be arguing here on Rec.Sport.Volleyball if Hawaii
had what it takes to win Club National's this year. Now, if you want more
of these small schools to add teams, and therefore make the sport more stable
for the USC's, Stanford's, and, dare I say, Ohio State's out there, maybe it
isn't all that bad for these teams to get a little respect when they do the job
right.
Ryan Patton
Juniata College/Defender of the East and Midwest
Diane Williams
Diane
Josh
> the volleyball world, we'd be arguing here on Rec.Sport.Volleyball if Hawaii
> had what it takes to win Club National's this year. Now, if you want more
> of these small schools to add teams, and therefore make the sport more stable
> for the USC's, Stanford's, and, dare I say, Ohio State's out there, maybe it
> isn't all that bad for these teams to get a little respect when they do the job
> right.
This is a good point which leads me to ask if if anyone knows if
there are any more schools out there that are considering fielding
varsity squads. Also, what's up with the "provisional" membership
of American U. - Puerto Rico and schools like that? And despite the
theme of the Lewis thread, I think there are still a few West Coast
schools whose inclusion in the varsity ranks would benefit the sport
greatly (Berkeley being the most obvious choice).
Joshua R. Stephens
apparently):
- [ From: Zaslansky, Oren * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --
Have you ever even played volleyball? Please don't tell me you play for
Princeton. That would mean that you would not even be good enough to play
for Lewis. When you have any kind of game, get back to me, although that
won't be anytime soon.
________________________________________
Well, to answer Oren's question, I play club for Princeton, not varsity,
and, no, I'm probably not good enough to play for Lewis. If Oren can
enlighten us as to why playing ability has any bearing on one's ability
to evaluate the quality of a team and/or player, I'd be very interested
to hear what he has to say.
If he can come up with a coherant argument, it would be pretty momentous.
We could all stop wasting our time on the group, since by his logic, none
of us (maybe John Kessell excepted) would be worthy of posting.
Working on my jump serve,
Josh
Joshua R. Stephens
>So, Josh, are you happy today??? ;-)
>
>Diane
>
Princeton had a career-high 34 kills in P'ton's romp over George Mason.
John Kessel
>> If it weren't for the Lewis', the Vassar's, the Juniata's, and the Ramapo's of
>> the volleyball world, we'd be arguing here on Rec.Sport.Volleyball if Hawaii
>> had what it takes to win Club National's this year. Now, if you want more
>> of these small schools to add teams, and therefore make the sport more stable
>> for the USC's, Stanford's, and, dare I say, Ohio State's out there, maybe it
>> isn't all that bad for these teams to get a little respect when they do the job
>> right.
>This is a good point which leads me to ask if if anyone knows if
>there are any more schools out there that are considering fielding
>varsity squads. Also, what's up with the "provisional" membership
>of American U. - Puerto Rico and schools like that? And despite the
>theme of the Lewis thread, I think there are still a few West Coast
>schools whose inclusion in the varsity ranks would benefit the sport
>greatly (Berkeley being the most obvious choice).
There are 4 new ones from the 70 we hit in total this past year, but their
names are not in my brain right now. The SGMA gave us 3 new grants of $6,000
each at the Super show Volleyball Council meeting, and others are applying. I
spent part of Sunday night with Doug Beal and Jim Coleman on the topic after
the USA Cuba match in Albuquerque. It is part of the USAV/NVL long term need
to have more NCAA programs. When the program of collegiate grants started, we
were down to about 52 teams, and in danger of losing the national
championship. The NCAA has since put a moratorium on those sports that
are in the Olympics and in the below 7% range that is required by bylaws to
have a national championship. The two most threatened sports are men's
gymnastics with about 35 total NCAA varsity programs and men's water polo.
With 70 we are very safelky above that 7% figure.
The ability of a Div I program to add men's volleyball at this juncture will
only really be possible if they do not have football. Those 90+ scholarships
really put things out of balance for men/women's equal opportunities. And no,
the percentage of NCAA football programs that make money has not really
changed from the 10% it is currently, with the rest losing money.
regards
John Kessel <>< <>< <>< <><
USA Volleyball Director of Programs
FIVB Technical Commission Secretary
1 Olympic Plaza / Colorado Springs, CO 80909
FAX (719) 597-6307 Ph (719) 637-8300
email: jkessel @usa-volleyball.org
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JOHN CAPLE
Kessel) writes:
>
>The ability of a Div I program to add men's volleyball at this juncture will
>only really be possible if they do not have football. Those 90+ scholarships
>really put things out of balance for men/women's equal opportunities. And no,
>the percentage of NCAA football programs that make money has not really
>changed from the 10% it is currently, with the rest losing money.
First off, mens football has an 85 scholarship cap.
Blaming football is simply not the way to increase the number of volleyball
programs. Can anyone explain to me the accounting that goes into the estimate
that only 10% of football programs make money? Does this include money donated
to the football program? Does this include money donated to the
athletics department in general? Does this include money donated to
the university as a whole?
Lets face it, having a winning football program has a number of
benefits for a university both in terms of publicity and alumni
donations. If mens volleyball wants to expand, they should spend their
effort fighting against Title IX rather than the football programs at
their schools.
In my mind it is blatantly sexist to give 12 scholarships to women's
volleyball and 4? to mens. Women also get more hoop scholarships.
John