Mathilda de BOULOGNE
SidTelford
other married to Henri I Duke of Brababt. Both are called Mathilda de
Boulogne. Could they be one and the same...? Many thanks..Sid
John Carmi Parsons
that county and wife of King Stephen, bore him a large family, but the only
one of their children to leave issue was Mary, a nun who abandoned her vows to
marry Matthew of Alsace, a younger son of the count of Flanders. Matilda,
wife of Henry I of Brabant, was the elder of Mary's two daughters by Matthew.
As this Matilda inherited the county of Boulogne frm Mary, she is naturally
also known as Matilda of Boulogne.
John Parsons
Leo van de Pas
>Hi...I have come up with two Mathilda's....One, married to King Stephen and the
>other married to Henri I Duke of Brababt. Both are called Mathilda de
>Boulogne. Could they be one and the same...? Many thanks..Sid
>
Lets look at your question, Stephen de Blois, King of England, lived from
circa 1096 till 1154, and married Mathilde, (in her own right) Countess
of Boulogne, she lived from circa 1105 till 1152
Hendrik I, Duke of Brabant, 1165-1235, married Mathilde de Boulogne, ca.1161-
1210. No way is this one and the same person. But there is a link between
them, King Stephen and Mathilde, Countess de Boulogne, had a daughter,
Marie, who married Matthieu who became in his wife's right Count of
Boulogne. And this last couple are the parents of Mathilde, wife of
the Duke of Brabant, and that makes one the grandmother of the other.
Leo van de Pas
Raymond Duquette
of Boulogne:
Ligne ascendante de Catherine Baillon à Charlemagne
1.Catherine Baillon & Jacques Miville dit Deschênes, m 12 novembre 1669
Notre-Dame de Québec
2.Alphonse Baillon, sieur de La Mascotterie, & Louise de Marle, m vers
1630/1640, région de Chevreuse (Yvelines)
3.Renée Maillard & Adam Baillon, seigneur de Valence, m vers 1580
4.Miles Maillard, seigneur du Breuil et de La Boissière & Marie Morant,
cm 25
juin 1555...
5.Bénigne Le Bouteillier, dame de La Boissière & Jacques Maillard,
seigneur de
Champaigne, cm 16 avril 15116 Montivilliers (Seine-Maritime)
6.Jean Le Bouteillier, seigneur de La Bouteillerie, de Roquemont, de
Vaux-sur-Orge et de La Boissière & Marie de Venois, m vers 1480/1490
7.Guy II Le Bouteillier, seigneur de La Boiuteillerie et de La
Roche-Guyon &
Isabeau Morhier, m vers 1450
8.Catherine de Gavre d'Escornaix, dame de Vaux-sur-Orge et de La
Boissière &
Guy I Le Bouteillier, seigneur de La Bouteillerie et de La
Roche-Guyon, m
après avril 1419, vers 1425
9.Isabelle de Ghistelles & Arnould VI de Gavre, baron d'Escornaix, m vers
1380/1390
10.Roger de Ghistelles, seigneur de Dudzeele et de Straten & Marguerite,
dame de
Dudzeele, m en ou peu avant 1357
11.Jean IV, seigneur de Ghistelles & Marie de Haverskerke, dame de
Straten, m
peu après juin 1337.
12.Marguerite de Luxembourg & Jean III, seigneur de Ghistelles, m 1284
avant
juin 1289
13.Mathilde de Clèves & Gérard de Luxembourg, seigneur de Durbury, m 1253
14.Élisabeth de Brabant & Thierry de Clèves, seigneur de Dinslaken, m 19
mars
1233 Louvain
15.Maire de France & Henri I, duc de Brabant, m 8/22 avril 1213 Soissons
16.Philippe II Auguste, roi de France & Agnès d 'Andechs de Méranie, m
juin
1196
17.Louis VII, roi de France & Adèle de Blois de Champagne, m 18 octobre
1160
18.Louis VI, roi de France & Adélaïde de Savoie, m 1115
19.Philippe I, roi de France & Berthe de Hollande, m 1071/1073
20.Henri I, roi de France & Anne de Russie, m 19 mai 1051 Reims
21.Robert II, roi de France & Constance de Provence, m 1003/1005
22.Hugues Capet, roi de France & Ad'laïde N..., m été 968
23.Hugues le Grand, duc de France & Hedwige de Saxe, m 9 mai/14 septembre
938 Mayence ou Ingelheim
24.Béatrice de Vermandois & Robert I, roi de France, m vers 895
25.Héribert I, comte de Vermandois & N...
26.Pépin, comte dans la région de Paris & N...
27.Bernard, roi d'Italie & Cunégonde N..., m vers 815
28.Pépin I, roi d'Italie & N..., m vers 795
29.Charles Ier dit Charlemagne, roi des Francs et empereur d'Occident &
Hildegard N..., m 771
Sources: René Jetté, John P. DuLong, Roland-Yves Gagné, and Gail F. Moreau.
1997. "De Catherine Baillon à Charlemagne." Mémoires de la Société géénéalogique
canadienne-française 48 (Autumn): 190-216. Figure 2, pp. 195-196.
Raymond J. Duquette
John Carmi Parsons wrote:
> These two were grandmother and granddaughter. Matilda of Boulogne, heiress to
> that county and wife of King Stephen, bore him a large family, but the only
> one of their children to leave issue was Mary, a nun who abandoned her vows to
> marry Matthew of Alsace, a younger son of the count of Flanders. Matilda,
> wife of Henry I of Brabant, was the elder of Mary's two daughters by Matthew.
> As this Matilda inherited the county of Boulogne frm Mary, she is naturally
> also known as Matilda of Boulogne.
>
> John Parsons
>
Raymond Duquette
http://fp-www.wwnet.net/~dulongj/baillon/figure2.htm
Leo van de Pas
>Note the following pertaining to Henri I, duc de Brabant, m Marie de
France, not Mary
>of Boulogne:
Dear Raymond,
Even your 'subject' says Mathilda (not Mary!!!) de Boulogne, and Marie
de France was the SECOND wife, and Mathilda de Boulogne the FIRST.
I found the line you displayed very interesting---
Best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Leo van de Pas
>King Stephen married to Mathilde de Boulogne (1105-1151)
>Daughter Marie married Matthieu de Lorraine who became Count de Boulogne.
>The second wife of Matthieu was Eleonore Capet (de France). This last couple
>are the parents of Mathilde, first wife of Hendrik I, Duke of Brabant (his
>second wife was Marie Capet ot de France)
Dear M.J.Richard,
Sadly you didn't sign your remark and so I don't know whether I am
addressing the correct person. You are quite correct telling that
Matthieu was married twice, his second wife, however, Eleonore Comtesse
de Vermandois, had no children by him. Matthieu and Marie de Boulogne
had two daughters : Ida, Comtesse de Bouglogne, and Mathilde who married
Hendrik I, Duke of Brabant. And so Mathilde (wife of King Stephen)
is the grandmother of the wife of the Duke of Brabant.
Best wishes,
Leo van de Pas
>SidTelford a écrit dans le message
><199808241059...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
M.J. RICHARD
Daughter Marie married Matthieu de Lorraine who became Count de Boulogne.
The second wife of Matthieu was Eleonore Capet (de France). This last couple
are the parents of Mathilde, first wife of Hendrik I, Duke of Brabant (his
second wife was Marie Capet ot de France)
SidTelford a écrit dans le message
Raymond Duquette
My response was to the original subject posted as 'Mathilda de BOULOGNE' -- so
Marie de France would have been incorrect as the subject of the discussion.
The line enclosed was the work of highly respected researchers worthy of note
on the forum.
Looking forward to your future postings. Surely they'll be as interesting as
those of the past.
All best,
Raymond J. Duquette
U...@aol.com
jpar...@chass.utoronto.ca writes:
> These two were grandmother and granddaughter. Matilda of Boulogne, heiress
> to
> that county and wife of King Stephen, bore him a large family, but the only
> one of their children to leave issue was Mary, a nun who abandoned her vows
> to
> marry Matthew of Alsace, a younger son of the count of Flanders. Matilda,
> wife of Henry I of Brabant, was the elder of Mary's two daughters by
Matthew.
>
> As this Matilda inherited the county of Boulogne frm Mary, she is naturally
> also known as Matilda of Boulogne.
>
> John Parsons
>
Corrections and additions welcome:
Descendants of Stephen de Blois, King of England\\
Generation No. 1
1. STEPHEN DE BLOIS, KING OF ENGLAND was born Abt. 1096 in Blois, and died
25-Oct-1154 in Dover. He married MATHILDA DE BOULOGNE 1125, daughter of
EUSTACE and MARY.
Notes for STEPHEN DE BLOIS, KING OF ENGLAND:
King of England 1135-1154
Notes for MATHILDA DE BOULOGNE:
Countess of Boulogne and Lens; Queen of England
Children of STEPHEN DE BLOIS and MATHILDA are:
2. i. MARIE DE BLOIS, b. Abt. 1136; d. 1182.
3. ii. EUSTACEI V, COUNT OF BOULOGNE, b. Abt. 1120; d. 1153.
Generation No. 2
2. MARIE DE BLOIS was born Abt. 1136, and died 1182. She married MATHIEU
D'ALSACE Abt. 1160, son of DIETRICH and SIBYLLE.
Notes for MARIE DE BLOIS:
Countess de Boulogne; marriage to Matthieu annulled 1169.
Notes for MATHIEU D'ALSACE:
Count de Boulogne & Driencour, Prince of Flanders
Child of MARIE and MATHIEU is:
4. i. MATHILDE DE BOULOGNE, b. Abt. 1161; d. Abt. 1211, Louvain.
3. EUSTACE IV, COUNT OF BOULOGNE was born Abt. 1120, and died 1153.
Child of EUSTACEI V, COUNT OF BOULOGNE is:
5. i. EUSTACHIE DE CHAMPAGNE.
Generation No. 3
4. MATHILDE DE BOULOGNE was born Abt. 1161, and died Abt. 1211 in Louvain.
She married HENRY I OF BRABANT Bef. 30-Mar-1180, son of GODFRIED and
MARGARETHA.
Notes for HENRY I OF BRABANT:
Duke of Brabant; buried Affigem.
From a net post to Gen-Medieval:
In my pedigree (through the landgraves of Hessen), I have always shown the
mother of Heinrich II of Brabant as Mathilda of Boulogne(sometimes known as
Maud of Flanders). Eur. Stammtafeln, Neue Folge, Band I, Tafel 96: Die
Herzoge von Brabant und die Grafen von Loewen, shows that Heinrich I had no
children by his second wife, Marie of France, daughter of Philippe II.
Augustus.
According to the research my colleagues and I did, Henry I, Duke of Brabant,
and Marie of France did have at least one daughter, Elisabeth de Brabant, wife
of Thierry de Cleves, seigneur de Dinslaken. The proof for this is found in
the chronicle of Hainaut by Baudouin d'Avesnes. For more information see the
following article, pp. 210-211:
Jetti, Reni, John P. DuLong, Roland-Yves Gagni, and Gail F. Moreau. "De
Catherine Baillon ` Charlemagne." Mimoires de la Sociiti ginialogique
canadienne-frangaise 48 (Autumn 1997):190-216.
Children of MATHILDE and HENRY are:
6. i. HENRY II OF BRABANT, d. 1-Feb-1247/48, Louvain.
7. ii. GODFRIED DE LOUVAIN, b. 1209; d. 21-Jan-1252/53.
5. EUSTACHIE DE CHAMPAGNE She married ANSELME CANDAVAINE DE ST. POL.
Child of EUSTACHIE and ANSELME is:
8. i. BEATRICE OF ST. POL, b. Abt. 1160; d. Aft. 1204.
Generation No. 4
6. HENRY II OF BRABANT died 1-Feb-1247/48 in Louvain. He married MARY OF
GERMANY, daughter of PHILIP and IRENE ANGELICA.
Notes for HENRY II OF BRABANT:
Duke of Brabant
Children of HENRY and MARY are:
i. HENRY III DE BRABANT, d. 21-Feb-1260/61; m. ALIX DE BOURGOGNE.
Notes for HENRY III DE BRABANT:
Duke of Brabant
ii. MATILDA OF BRABANT, d. 29-Sep-1288; m. ROBERT I OF ARTOIS.
7. GODFRIED DE LOUVAIN was born 1209, and died 21-Jan-1252/53. He married
MARIE VAN OUDENAARDE Bef. 7-Aug-1243, daughter of ARNOLD and ALIX.
Notes for GODFRIED DE LOUVAIN:
Lord of Baucignies, Leeuwe & Gaesbeek; buried Affigem.
Notes for MARIE VAN OUDENAARDE:
Heiress of Herve, Baucignies & Gaesbeek
Child of GODFRIED and MARIE is:
i. HENDRIK DE LOUVAIN, d. 1285; m. ISABELLE DE BEVEREN.
Notes for HENDRIK DE LOUVAIN:
Lord of Gaesbeek & Herstal
8. BEATRICE OF ST. POL was born Abt. 1160, and died Aft. 1204. She married
JEAN I DE PONTHIEU, son of GUI and IDA.
Notes for JEAN I DE PONTHIEU:
Count of Ponthieu. Died on the 3rd Crusade.
Child of BEATRICE and JEAN is:
i. WILLIAM III TALVAS DE PONTHIEU, b. 1179; d. 6-Oct-1221; m. ALICE OF
FRANCE.
Notes for WILLIAM III TALVAS DE PONTHIEU:
Count of Ponthieu
Always optimistic--Dave
Todd A. Farmerie
>
> Corrections and additions welcome:
>
> Descendants of Stephen de Blois, King of England\\
[much snippage]
> Generation No. 1
>
> 1. STEPHEN DE BLOIS, KING OF ENGLAND was born Abt. 1096 in Blois, and died
> 25-Oct-1154 in Dover. He married MATHILDA DE BOULOGNE 1125, daughter of
> EUSTACE and MARY.
>
> Children of STEPHEN DE BLOIS and MATHILDA are:
> 2. i. MARIE DE BLOIS, b. Abt. 1136; d. 1182.
> 3. ii. EUSTACEI V, COUNT OF BOULOGNE, b. Abt. 1120; d. 1153.
>
> Generation No. 2
> 3. EUSTACE IV, COUNT OF BOULOGNE was born Abt. 1120, and died 1153.
>
> Child of EUSTACEI V, COUNT OF BOULOGNE is:
> 5. i. EUSTACHIE DE CHAMPAGNE.
>
> Generation No. 3
>
> 5. EUSTACHIE DE CHAMPAGNE She married ANSELME CANDAVAINE DE ST. POL.
>
> Child of EUSTACHIE and ANSELME is:
> 8. i. BEATRICE OF ST. POL, b. Abt. 1160; d. Aft. 1204.
First, briefly, at first I thought there was a numbering problem here,
but now I see it is simply a misplaced space. In case anyone else was
confused, he was Eustace IV (not intended as a spelling flame, just a
clariication for those not looking closely). I think Hugh IV de St. Pol
was also son of Anselm and Eustachie.
More importantly, as to Eustachie, I do not know that she really belongs
here. This was proposed by Evans in the Genealogists Magazine, based on
three items of information: her given name, her toponym, and her
documented relationship to Henry II. Since the marriage of Stephen of
Champagne to Matilda of Boulogne brought the name Eustace (of which
Eustachie is the female equivalent) into the Champagne family (with the
known kinship between Stephen and Henry II), this seems a perhaps unique
confluence of these factors. However, in addition to the problem that
Eustace, tapped as father by Evans, had no known children, I have looked
a little (admittedly not all that hard) and failed to find a
contemporary reference to her being "of Champagne". In the recent
Family Trees and the Roots of Politics, Kathleen Thompson presents an
alternative placement, without discussing it an any detail, and without
mentioning the Evans theory at all. She places her as daughter of
William III of Gouet, whose mother was named Eustachie, and whose wife
was Mabel, bastard of Henry I (making her first cousin of Henry II). In
light of this, I think this issue requires more study.
taf