Prokofiev piano concertos?
John Thomas
Frank J. <fra...@rsystemsnet.eur> wrote:
> What are the recommended recordings of the Prokofiev piano concertos?
> Which of the 5 concertos are essential listening?
> Thank you.
Whichever ones Richter and Argerich recorded.
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| What are the recommended recordings of the Prokofiev piano concertos?
| Which of the 5 concertos are essential listening?
| Thank you.
They are all pretty essential to Prokofiev lovers, but my real favourite is
the 5th, although the 3rd comes next (perhaps even the most essential if
couched in those terms). Richter's 5th is a classic, conducted by Rowicki.
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Martin Paton
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>What are the recommended recordings of the Prokofiev piano concertos?
>Which of the 5 concertos are essential listening?
>Thank you.
I would say the 2nd, the 3rd, and the 5th - the concerto for the left
hand is strange.
Of those recordings the Argerich/Abbado/Berlin Phil for the 3rd is by
far and away the best, and it comes with the Ravel G major and Gaspard
De La Nuit.
I like Ashkenazy's interpretation of the 2nd, and as people have
suggested, Sviatoslav Richter is masterful with the 5th.
(look out for my Prok 3 coming in 2005!) - mp3.com (if it's still
going)
Sol L. Siegel
>What are the recommended recordings of the Prokofiev piano
>concertos?
>Which of the 5 concertos are essential listening?
1 (a single-movement romp) and 3 are basic repertory. 2, a
stunner in which Russian romanticism and Russian modernism
meet on approximately equal terms, is getting close. I'm fond
of 4, but that and 5 are more or less on the fringes of the
repertory.
Recordings?
1- Argerich, and the old Mindru Katz which I'm told has turned up
on a private label somewhere (big help, I know).
2- Gutierrez, at least until BMG reissues one or more of the
superb RCA recordings (I've heard Henroit-Schweitzer/Munch,
Frager/Leibowitz and Browning/Leinsdorf).
3- Either Argerich, or going back, either Kapell, or the composer's
own on Naxos. Some like Cliburn's attempt at a more lyric
approach more than I do. (The Gutierrez that comes with his 2nd
is a disappointment).
4- I like Rudolf Serkin - long and far OOP, of course.
5- Richter, of course, preferably with Rowicki.
The Beroff/Masur cycle isn't bad.
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Kalman Rubinson
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>I like Ashkenazy's interpretation of the 2nd, and as people have
>suggested, Sviatoslav Richter is masterful with the 5th.
I prefer Frager or Beroff in #2; a little more ferocity where needed.
Kal
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Frager told me that his was recorded with one rehearsal and one take.
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this recording, and when I dusted it off and listened to it recently I
found it thrilling.
Mark Melson
On Tue, 26 Mar 2002 00:32:30 +0100, Frank J. <fra...@rsystemsnet.eur>
wrote:
>What are the recommended recordings of the Prokofiev piano concertos?
>Which of the 5 concertos are essential listening?
>Thank you.
>
>Frank J.
Matthew B. Tepper
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> Don't overlook Graffman/Szell on Sony for 1 and 3. I had forgotten
> this recording, and when I dusted it off and listened to it recently I
> found it thrilling.
It certainly is. #1 is the "filler" on the Japanese Sony CD with the
Barber Piano Concerto (Browning) and Schuman's "Song of Orpheus" (Rose).
If Sony ever rusticated Peter Gelb to lead their Uzbekistan office and
asked me which new reissue should head the list, it would be this one.
Thomas Muething
>What are the recommended recordings of the Prokofiev piano concertos?
>
Ashkenazy/Previn on Decca, a classic. I also like Gutierrez in the 2nd
an 3rd on Chandos.
>Which of the 5 concertos are essential listening?
>
The first for being such a fine curtain raiser, but mainly the 2nd and
the 3rd.
Thomas
RX-01
> Frank J. wrote:
>
> >What are the recommended recordings of the Prokofiev piano concertos?
As I've commented in a previous thread, there is a very cheap
recording on Naxos, highly praised by some critics and Penguin. Wit
conducts the Polish National Symphony Orchestra and Kun Woo Paik is
the soloist. I've also listened to Ashkenazy's cycle but I find Kun
Woo Paik's playing more confident and the Naxos digital recording much
better than the Decca one.
> >Which of the 5 concertos are essential listening?
I prefer the 2nd (mainly for the massive cadenza at the end of the 1st
movement) and the 3rd, 1st, 5th (in that order). I find the 4th (for
left hand) a rather strange piece, but this is just my personal
opinion.
RX-01
Martin Paton
wrote:
>Frank J. fra...@rsystemsnet.eur writes:
>
>>What are the recommended recordings of the Prokofiev piano
>>concertos?
>>Which of the 5 concertos are essential listening?
>
>
>1 (a single-movement romp) and 3 are basic repertory.
I wouldn't say basic in the sense of difficulty ;) I'd easily rate
Prokofiev 2 and 3 above Rach 3 in terms of difficulty. The playing is
far more exposed.
Matthew B. Tepper
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> I prefer the 2nd (mainly for the massive cadenza at the end of the 1st
> movement) and the 3rd, 1st, 5th (in that order). I find the 4th (for
> left hand) a rather strange piece, but this is just my personal
> opinion.
I find the 4th a very strange piece indeed, which is exactly why I like it
so much. A rondo for a first movement, ha!
John Putnam
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> Thomas Muething <tmue...@t-online.de> wrote in message
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> > Frank J. wrote:
> >
> > >What are the recommended recordings of the Prokofiev piano concertos?
>
>
> I prefer the 2nd (mainly for the massive cadenza at the end of the 1st
> movement) and the 3rd, 1st, 5th (in that order). I find the 4th (for
> left hand) a rather strange piece, but this is just my personal
> opinion.
> RX-01
I cut my teeth on the second with Henriot- Schweitzer/Munch/BSO and haven't
heard any other to better it, IMO. I agree with Martin that Argerich is
superb in the third. Still one to consider --- and it's realy quite
different (actually ferocious in attack and tempi) is the Weissenberg/Ozawa
in #3. This may be OOP. I'd be interested in hearing any of our keyboard
posters opinion on this #3. Regards, JPH
P.S. Just picked up the wonderful 1974 Cinderella disc from BRO
w/Rozdestvensky. Highly recommended.
Serge Fourcade
<john...@softcom.net> écrivait:
>P.S. Just picked up the wonderful 1974 Cinderella disc from BRO
>w/Rozdestvensky. Highly recommended.
Isn't 1965 ? In any case, I concur with you and it's surprisingly well
recorded, by Melodiya standards .
For Prokofiev piano concertos, my favorite is the 1st (Richter/Ancerl
on Supraphon) ...
Argerich/Abbado (DG) is indeed great in the 3rd .
A excellent (and not often recommanded) version of the 3rd and the 5th
is by Samson François (EMI) .
Serge
John Putnam
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The booklet with the disc states recorded in 1974 Melodiya, and reissued by
BMG in 1996. Might there be an earlier performance? It's a shame this
work is not more appreciated. Perhaps no R&J but very special IMO. My
first ballet with Plisetskaya/Bolshoi, 1960?
BTW, the Francois discs are quite fine.
John
Andre Yew
especially for 2. The playing is angular, with less emphasis on
the lyrical. Sound is OK, if a bit recessed.
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Alan Cooper
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> A excellent (and not often recommanded) version of the 3rd and the 5th
> is by Samson François (EMI) .
These are superb. Are they available singly, or only in the big
Introuvables box?
Of course Richter in #1, but I also like Gavrilov very much. On LP, his
recording was coupled with a fabulous performance of the Ravel Left-Hand
Concerto.
For #2, I'm still waiting for Joselson and/or Browning to be reissued (or
have they been?).
AC
Simon Roberts
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>> A excellent (and not often recommanded) version of the 3rd and the 5th
>> is by Samson François (EMI) .
>
>These are superb. Are they available singly, or only in the big
>Introuvables box?
They're available both in the Introuvables box and a two disc set of
concertos (all played by Francois; I forget what all the others are, but
it includes the Schumann). The latter may be available in the U.S. only
as an import.
Simon
Lawrence Chalmers
the Naxos recordings and stopped there w/
satisfaction. I have a Mitrpoulos 3rd (playing/
conducting) which is a novelty. I'll have to
explore other recommendations listed. I
can see why perhaps Argerich is recommended; sometimes it sounds like
she's playing the piano with anvils for hands...(ouch!
don't hit me, other posters - just MY opinion of
her playing.)
Martha & Russ Oppenheim
"Matthew B. Tepper" wrote:
>
>
> I find the 4th a very strange piece indeed, which is exactly why I like it
> so much. A rondo for a first movement, ha!
>
And just a tiny reminiscence of the 1st movement for a last movement.
I love the piece.
Serge Fourcade
écrivait:
>They're available both in the Introuvables box and a two disc set of
>concertos (all played by Francois; I forget what all the others are, but
>it includes the Schumann). The latter may be available in the U.S. only
>as an import.
IIRC, this twofer (in the "Rouge et Noir" collection) has also the
Liszt concertos (with Silvestri) ...
These recordings are all very good (especially the Schumann which is
one of my favorite recording of the work ...)
But the 3rd concerto in the twofer is not the same recording as the
one in the box :
The former is with Rowicki, recorded in 1963 like the 5th (I suspect
they were released together on the same LP ...), and the latter was
recorded with Cluytens in 1953 ...
I haven't heard his second version but, judging by his 5th with the
same conductor, I suspect it would be very good as well ...
>Simon
Serge
Matthew B. Tepper
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Indeed I love that about it too. Silly Twitgenstein didn't understand!
Raphael K
You can download a free Prok 3 from here!
Soloist is Dimitris Sgouros, with Radio Symphony Orchestra of
Bavaria/Lorin Maazel, 1989 Frankfurt
Charles Milton Ling
On the same page. I am utterly dumbfounded. I have not heard anything
like this since Cziffra.
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Sonarrat Citalis
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> Raphael K wrote:
I'm with you. What energy!
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Gerrie Collins
I listened and yes, he IS a terrific pianist. I had the pleasure of
hearing him in a recital in 1982 when he was 12-13 years old and he
absolutely 'blew my mind' with his artistry and unbelievable technical
command (Schumann Symphonic Etudes, Scarlatti Sonatas, Liszt Mephisto
#1, and more). I also have his Rach 3 recorded when he was 12 with
the National Symphony (and reputedly learned in TWO WEEKS!!!).
AMAZING!! I can't understand why Sgouros has not 'caught on' more
than he has. I think one reason might be is that he was such a
fabulous child prodigy that it is hard for him to surpass his early
monumental prowess now as an adult. So far as "not hearing anything
like this since Cziffra," have you heard one or more of Argerich's
terrific, exciting versions?
Gerrie
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Cziffra - who was not only an admirable pianist but also a great musician.
Henk
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> Sgouros a Cziffra? His interpretations remind me of Tzimon Barto, not of
> Cziffra - who was not only an admirable pianist but also a great musician.
Sgouros reminded me more than a little bit of Argerich as far as his Prok 3rd
went, but it has more energy than either of the Argerichs I have heard. It's
free, lighthearted.
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Josh Meier
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> > Raphael K wrote:
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> > >>>What are the recommended recordings of the Prokofiev piano concertos?
> > > You can download a free Prok 3 from here!
> > >
> > > http://www.sgourosmp3.com
> > >
> > > Soloist is Dimitris Sgouros, with Radio Symphony Orchestra of
> > > Bavaria/Lorin Maazel, 1989 Frankfurt
Great performance, but I have to make a correction : it was with the
RSO Frankfurt probably under Eliahu Inbal. At the bottom of that very
same page, you can have access to some pictures taken during that
concert : that guy with the baton is obviously not Maazel.
Josh.
Charles Milton Ling
Ah, I never said he was a Cziffra; there will never be another. I
compared the excitement his "Norma" afforded me to some Liszt
transcriptions played by Cziffra it has been my great pleasure to hear,
no more, but no less, either.
Charley
Andy Evans
absoluitely astonishing performance/recording unlike anything else, and
Richter/Rowicki in 5. there are other good recordings - the composer's 3 for
instance, the Katchen etc. I'd put all of these above Argerich, who I find
rather tiring after a few listens (I'm really not a fan - I've got rid of all
her Chopin). The Ashkenazy 3rd is in my opinion impossible to listen to - it
almost literally falls apart in the middle.
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