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Gernot Egger

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Dec 13, 2001, 4:47:35 AM12/13/01
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Last night I was in a pub in Vienna (.at) that will accept Euro-cash
starting next Monday (15th of December). They will offer a special
Euro-cocktail for EUR 5,- and at certain times all cocktails for EUR 5,-.
(if you can pay with Euro!)

Do you know any other shops or pubs that will accept Euro-cash next week.

IMHO I think it will be quite common that small shops will accept Euro-cash
starting next Monday.

lg Gernot


Son Gohan

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Dec 13, 2001, 4:45:12 PM12/13/01
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"Gernot Egger" <ger...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message news:<9v9td3$e4u3b$1...@ID-40879.news.dfncis.de>...

Weird. Do they risk to be finned if they do so?

Philip Newton

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Dec 13, 2001, 2:49:10 PM12/13/01
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On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 10:47:35 +0100, "Gernot Egger" <ger...@bigfoot.com>
wrote:

> IMHO I think it will be quite common that small shops will accept Euro-cash
> starting next Monday.

I can well imagine. I've heard that that's forbidden... but I wonder how
they want to punish them. After all, they can accept US$ if they want --
or buttons, for that matter. So why not EUR coins, even if it is before
2002-01-01?

Cheers,
Philip
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Gernot Egger

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Dec 13, 2001, 3:02:39 PM12/13/01
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"Philip Newton" <pne-news...@newton.digitalspace.net> schrieb im
Newsbeitrag news:uush1u8c6s5j1ejkk...@4ax.com...

> On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 10:47:35 +0100, "Gernot Egger" <ger...@bigfoot.com>
> wrote:
>
> > IMHO I think it will be quite common that small shops will accept
Euro-cash
> > starting next Monday.
>
> I can well imagine. I've heard that that's forbidden... but I wonder how
> they want to punish them. After all, they can accept US$ if they want --
> or buttons, for that matter. So why not EUR coins, even if it is before
> 2002-01-01?

Here in .at the fine for using EUR-cash before 1.1.02 is 5 % of the amount
used. So who cares?

The main point in that discussion is IMO that you know that EUR-cash will be
legal tender two weeks later.

BTW: The coins in the starter-kits are not legal tender, so theoretically
you should have to pay 20 % VAT on them in Austria! :-))))))
Again the ministry of finance says that there is just so a small gap to the
1.1.02 that it is dealt as legal tender even now for tax-matters.

lg Gernot


Michel Henri

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Dec 13, 2001, 6:41:25 PM12/13/01
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Gernot Egger <ger...@bigfoot.com> wrote:

> Last night I was in a pub in Vienna (.at) that will accept Euro-cash
> starting next Monday (15th of December). They will offer a special
> Euro-cocktail for EUR 5,- and at certain times all cocktails for EUR 5,-.
> (if you can pay with Euro!)

With the French starter kits, you could afford no more than three
cocktails within the next two weeks :-(. I prefer keeping my coins in
order to start with euros as soon as January 1st.

--
Michel Henri

Thomas Rachel

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Dec 13, 2001, 7:52:58 PM12/13/01
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Michel Henri:

> With the French starter kits, you could afford no more than three
> cocktails within the next two weeks :-(. I prefer keeping my coins in
> order to start with euros as soon as January 1st.

Ack. I don't want to be one of the people standing in the queue in
front of the ATMs waiting to get some money...


Thoma$
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andy roberts

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Dec 15, 2001, 5:05:17 AM12/15/01
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Thomas Rachel <nutz...@glglgl.gnuu.de> <9vbm1o.3...@mid.glglgl.de>
:


>Michel Henri:
>
>> With the French starter kits, you could afford no more than three
>> cocktails within the next two weeks :-(. I prefer keeping my coins in
>> order to start with euros as soon as January 1st.
>
>Ack. I don't want to be one of the people standing in the queue in
>front of the ATMs waiting to get some money...
>
Can you get cash in shops when you use a debit card to pay?

In UK supermarkets you can always get up to £50 that's EUR80 so if you
do that from time to time you don't need to use the ATMs very often.

Andy R [en,fr]
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JL

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Dec 14, 2001, 5:32:46 AM12/14/01
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"andy roberts" <andy.r...@zetnet.co.uk> a écrit dans le message de news:
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> Can you get cash in shops when you use a debit card to pay?

Not in France.

> In UK supermarkets you can always get up to £50 that's EUR80 so if you
> do that from time to time you don't need to use the ATMs very often.

The UK is the only country I know where you can do that. I guess it's because
shops don't pay a commission on debit cards, whereas they do in France.

JL.

Pierre Hallet

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Dec 14, 2001, 10:10:03 AM12/14/01
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andy roberts wrote:

> In UK supermarkets you can always get up to Ł50 that's EUR80

Did anyone notice that the pound is to the euro what the mile
is to the kilometer, i.e. 60% larger?

So: if you're from the continent, when in the UK, multiply any
figure you fall upon by 1.6 to know what it "really" means. ;-)

Pierre Hallet

andy roberts

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Dec 15, 2001, 10:30:19 AM12/15/01
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Pierre Hallet <pierre...@skynet.be> <3C1A164B...@skynet.be> :

>andy roberts wrote:
>
>> In UK supermarkets you can always get up to £50 that's EUR80

>
>Did anyone notice that the pound is to the euro what the mile
>is to the kilometer, i.e. 60% larger?
>
>So: if you're from the continent, when in the UK, multiply any
>figure you fall upon by 1.6 to know what it "really" means. ;-)
>
Interesting idea

I'm 5 feet 9 inches tall,
shoe size 9

Thomas Rachel

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Dec 14, 2001, 10:12:54 AM12/14/01
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andy roberts:

> Can you get cash in shops when you use a debit card to pay?

No. In Germany, it is not allowed because of the credit laws. AFAIK a
shop owner is oly allowed to give a credit with the amount of the
things I bought/of the services I used; what's more than that, only a
bank can do so.


Thoma$
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sondern ausufernder. [Michael Bauer in dnq]

JL

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"andy roberts" <andy.r...@zetnet.co.uk> a écrit dans le message de news:
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> I'm 5 feet 9 inches tall,

Easy, that's 9,44 EUR !

JL.

Philippe Bourgon

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Dec 15, 2001, 5:09:23 AM12/15/01
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>
> Can you get cash in shops when you use a debit card to pay?
>
> In UK supermarkets you can always get up to £50 that's EUR80 so if you
> do that from time to time you don't need to use the ATMs very often.
>
That's interresting. I never saw this in France. I even think it is
forbidden 'cause that would be called "illegal banking". Only governement
authorized companys have the right to give you cash in exchange for a check
or credit card bill.
In fact, some huge supermarket chains do have their own ATMs. To do that
legally, they created small subsidiaries (is this the right term ?) declared
as banks. That in turns gives them the opportunity to sell loans...

andy roberts

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Dec 16, 2001, 6:28:26 AM12/16/01
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Thomas Rachel <nutz...@glglgl.gnuu.de> <9vd8e5.3...@mid.glglgl.de>
:


>andy roberts:
>
>> Can you get cash in shops when you use a debit card to pay?
>
>No. In Germany, it is not allowed because of the credit laws. AFAIK a
>shop owner is oly allowed to give a credit with the amount of the
>things I bought/of the services I used; what's more than that, only a
>bank can do so.
>
The supermarkets here found a cunning way around that. As well as being
the grocer, the baker, butcher, candlestick maker, off license, clothes
and hardware shop they have turned themselves into banks as well.

andy roberts

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Dec 16, 2001, 6:31:13 AM12/16/01
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"Philippe Bourgon" <philippe...@club-internet.fr>
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>
>"andy roberts" <andy.r...@zetnet.co.uk> a écrit dans le message de news:
>rn7m1usbkjeg68ldn...@4ax.com...
>>
>> Can you get cash in shops when you use a debit card to pay?
>>
>> In UK supermarkets you can always get up to Ł50 that's EUR80 so if you

>> do that from time to time you don't need to use the ATMs very often.
>>
>That's interresting. I never saw this in France. I even think it is
>forbidden 'cause that would be called "illegal banking". Only governement
>authorized companys have the right to give you cash in exchange for a check
>or credit card bill.
>In fact, some huge supermarket chains do have their own ATMs. To do that
>legally, they created small subsidiaries (is this the right term ?) declared
>as banks. That in turns gives them the opportunity to sell loans...

loans, insurance, pensions, stock portfolios....

Philip Newton

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Dec 15, 2001, 8:52:36 AM12/15/01
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On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:02:39 +0100, "Gernot Egger" <ger...@bigfoot.com>
wrote:

> Here in .at the fine for using EUR-cash before 1.1.02 is 5 % of the amount
> used. So who cares?

Who is fined -- the customer for tendering the money, or the shopkeeper
for accepting it?

If the former, then that risk can be removed by first asking "do you
accept euros?"; if the second, then: who will punish the shopkeeper? How
will the police (or whoever) even find out that they accepted EUR cash?

And what's the point of having a fine for accepting EUR cash? If the
shop wants to do that, it should be their problem (just like accepting
USD if they want, even though that's not legal tender in .de or .at),
surely?

Gernot Egger

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Dec 15, 2001, 9:26:40 AM12/15/01
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"Philip Newton" <pne-news...@newton.digitalspace.net> schrieb im
Newsbeitrag news:22hm1uguk3qsn218i...@4ax.com...

> On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:02:39 +0100, "Gernot Egger" <ger...@bigfoot.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Here in .at the fine for using EUR-cash before 1.1.02 is 5 % of the
amount
> > used. So who cares?
>
> Who is fined -- the customer for tendering the money, or the shopkeeper
> for accepting it?

The shopkeeper. There is no fine for customers.

Of course you are right. I was talking about the legal aspect.

lg Gernot


Philip Newton

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Dec 15, 2001, 3:57:22 PM12/15/01
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On Sat, 15 Dec 2001 15:26:40 +0100, "Gernot Egger" <ger...@bigfoot.com>
wrote:

> "Philip Newton" <pne-news...@newton.digitalspace.net> schrieb im
> Newsbeitrag news:22hm1uguk3qsn218i...@4ax.com...
> >
> > Who is fined
>
> The shopkeeper.

How idiotic. What's the reason given? Why should they be fined for
choosing to accept little pieces of metal that will start to be legal
tender in another few weeks? Why can't they choose which pieces of metal
to accept?

I really am trying to understand this law against accepting euros.

Pierre Hallet

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Dec 15, 2001, 4:03:11 PM12/15/01
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Philip Newton wrote:

> I really am trying to understand this law against
> accepting euros.

Don't even try: it IS absurd. It is so absurd that I'm
considering it as a plot to push more people to use
euros soon: for the petty pleasure of "cheating" without
any real risk.

This will succeed a far as I am concerned: I'll try to
spend my euros the next week... and I'm pretty sure it
will work. ;-)

Pierre Hallet (Brussels)

Thomas Rachel

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Dec 16, 2001, 6:08:04 AM12/16/01
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Pierre Hallet:

> This will succeed a far as I am concerned: I'll try to
> spend my euros the next week... and I'm pretty sure it
> will work. ;-)

Enough coke and cigarette machines already accept them...


Thoma$
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schein übernehmen: "Sie stehen in dsnu und von dnq kommt ein Rindvieh. Der
Traffic wird von einem Regular aus dang geleitet. Dieser sagt "Plonk". Wer darf
zuerst canceln?"" (Torsten Gallus in de.admin.news.groups)

Erik Evrard

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Dec 16, 2001, 6:23:18 AM12/16/01
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andy roberts <andy.r...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message news:<rn7m1usbkjeg68ldn...@4ax.com>...

> Thomas Rachel <nutz...@glglgl.gnuu.de> <9vbm1o.3...@mid.glglgl.de>
> :
>
> >Michel Henri:
> >
> >> With the French starter kits, you could afford no more than three
> >> cocktails within the next two weeks :-(. I prefer keeping my coins in
> >> order to start with euros as soon as January 1st.
> >
> >Ack. I don't want to be one of the people standing in the queue in
> >front of the ATMs waiting to get some money...
> >
> Can you get cash in shops when you use a debit card to pay?
>
> In UK supermarkets you can always get up to £50 that's EUR80 so if you
> do that from time to time you don't need to use the ATMs very often.
>
> Andy R [en,fr]


It is allowed, encouraged and practised a lot in Belgian supermarkets.
For the supermarkets it means that their cash supply is lowered (less
cash to handle, smaller risk of robbery, etc.).

Erik

Ldp

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Dec 17, 2001, 7:18:54 AM12/17/01
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In article <3c19d54e$0$195$626a...@news.free.fr>, J...@jlamy.com says...

> > In UK supermarkets you can always get up to £50 that's EUR80 so if you
> > do that from time to time you don't need to use the ATMs very often.
> The UK is the only country I know where you can do that.

You can do that at some larger supermarket chains in The Netherlands as
well. I think you can even go as high as NLG300 (EUR136) at some. I have
no idea if any of that is legal, or just condoned.

--
Time is an illusion. Lunchtime's a good example...
Ooops I got GUI all over my screen

Ingo Dierck

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Dec 17, 2001, 8:23:02 AM12/17/01
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Thomas Rachel <nutz...@glglgl.gnuu.de> wrote:

> "Oh ja. Und man könnte auch Frage-Schemata aus dem bundesdeutschen
> Autoführer- schein übernehmen: "Sie stehen in dsnu und von dnq kommt ein
> Rindvieh. Der Traffic wird von einem Regular aus dang geleitet. Dieser
> sagt "Plonk". Wer darf zuerst canceln?"" (Torsten
> Gallus in de.admin.news.groups)

ROTFL!

Mehr davon!

Gruß

Ingo
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mailto:ingo....@addcom.de

Thomas Rachel

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Dec 17, 2001, 8:16:14 PM12/17/01
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Ingo Dierck:

[Sig-Zitat]

> ROTFL!
>
> Mehr davon!

Die stehen alle in einer Datei, aus der die Signaturen zufällig
entnommen werden. Und da sind nioch einige andere Zitate drin...


Thoma$
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Ingo Dierck

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Dec 18, 2001, 11:35:14 AM12/18/01
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Thomas Rachel <nutz...@glglgl.gnuu.de> wrote:

> Die stehen alle in einer Datei, aus der die Signaturen zufällig
> entnommen werden. Und da sind nioch einige andere Zitate drin...

Aber um die Spannung nicht zu zerstören, wirst Du mir wohl nicht die
ganze Sammlung zugänglich machen, wie? ;-)

Übrigens gibt es die Funktion am Mac auch. Da braucht man ebenso eine
Datei und dann noch die Systemerweiterung "Internet Config Random
Signature". Habe ich mir bloß nie installiert.

Philip Newton

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Dec 19, 2001, 1:13:19 AM12/19/01
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On Tue, 18 Dec 2001 17:35:14 +0100, ingo....@addcom.de (Ingo Dierck)
wrote:

> Thomas Rachel <nutz...@glglgl.gnuu.de> wrote:
>
> > Die stehen alle in einer Datei, aus der die Signaturen zufällig
> > entnommen werden. Und da sind nioch einige andere Zitate drin...
>
> Aber um die Spannung nicht zu zerstören, wirst Du mir wohl nicht die
> ganze Sammlung zugänglich machen, wie? ;-)

O ja, bitte bitte :) (Vielleicht uploaden und dann URL posten?)

Gruß,

Christian Feldhaus

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Dec 19, 2001, 8:29:50 AM12/19/01
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Ingo Dierck <ingo....@addcom.de> wrote:

> Aber um die Spannung nicht zu zerstören, wirst Du mir wohl nicht die
> ganze Sammlung zugänglich machen, wie? ;-)

Wenn Du gerade mal nichts Besseres zu tun hast <g>, abonnier doch mal
die Gruppe "de.alt.netdigest". Da finden sich einige solcher Perlen ...

Tschüs,
Christian

Thomas Rachel

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Dec 19, 2001, 2:35:57 PM12/19/01
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Philip Newton:

> [...] ingo....@addcom.de (Ingo Dierck) [...]:


>> Aber um die Spannung nicht zu zerstören, wirst Du mir wohl nicht
>> die ganze Sammlung zugänglich machen, wie? ;-)

Da sind nicht nur Zitate drin, da hab ich alles mögliche.

> O ja, bitte bitte :) (Vielleicht uploaden und dann URL posten?)

Werde ich mir überlegen...


Thoma$
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schön war, dass schwarz gleich weiß ist, und kommt wenig später auf einem
Zebrastreifen ums Leben. [Douglas Adams: Per Anhalter durch die Galaxis]

Ingo Dierck

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Dec 20, 2001, 4:27:36 PM12/20/01
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Christian Feldhaus <cfng...@feldhausnet.de> wrote:

> Wenn Du gerade mal nichts Besseres zu tun hast <g>, abonnier doch mal
> die Gruppe "de.alt.netdigest". Da finden sich einige solcher Perlen

Puh, _noch_ eine Gruppe?

Obwohl MacSOUP ja alles so schön ergonomisch macht. ;-)

Liest Du eigentlich auch in der dcdm-Hierarchie?

Christian Feldhaus

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Dec 21, 2001, 8:13:27 AM12/21/01
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Ingo Dierck <ingo....@addcom.de> wrote:

> Obwohl MacSOUP ja alles so schön ergonomisch macht. ;-)

Ja, ich häng' auch an diesem Newsreader. Leider sieht sich Stefan Haller
offenbar außerstande, ihn weiter zu entwickeln. Ich benutze zwar Mac OS
X (noch?) nicht; insofern stört es mich nicht, dass MacSOUP "Classic
only" ist.

Die Beschränkung auf den Zeichensatz ISO-8859-1 ist dagegen eine
Antiquität, die mich inzwischen nicht nur in "euro-spezifischen" Gruppen
ärgert. Da Stefan durch seinen "Hauptberuf" wohl voll ausgelastet ist,
glaube ich inzwischen nicht mehr an eine Weiterentwicklung. Aber wenn
ich mir die derzeit verfügbaren Alternativen (Thoth und Netscape können
ISO-8859-15, OE kann Unicode) anschaue ... da bevorzuge ich doch unser
betagtes Schätzchen :-)

> Liest Du eigentlich auch in der dcdm-Hierarchie?

Meinst Du dcsm? Ja, aber nicht regelmäßig. Selbst wenn ich die
OSX-bezogenen Nachrichten weglasse, ist dort (vor allem in .misc) zu
viel los, als dass ich das ständig verfolgen könnte ...

Tschüs,
Christian

Thomas Rachel

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Jan 7, 2002, 6:54:41 PM1/7/02
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Philip Newton:

>> Aber um die Spannung nicht zu zerstören, wirst Du mir wohl nicht
>> die ganze Sammlung zugänglich machen, wie? ;-)
>
> O ja, bitte bitte :) (Vielleicht uploaden und dann URL posten?)

Nun gut, hier ist die URL:

http://www.glglgl.de/200201/sig.txt


Thoma$
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Ingo Dierck

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Jan 8, 2002, 12:06:49 PM1/8/02
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Thomas Rachel <nutz...@glglgl.gnuu.de> wrote:

> http://www.glglgl.de/200201/sig.txt

Besten Dank!

Eric Bustad

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Jan 8, 2002, 11:07:36 PM1/8/02
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Thomas Rachel wrote:
>
> andy roberts:
>
> > Can you get cash in shops when you use a debit card to pay?
>
> No. In Germany, it is not allowed because of the credit laws. AFAIK a
> shop owner is oly allowed to give a credit with the amount of the
> things I bought/of the services I used; what's more than that, only a
> bank can do so.
>
> Thoma$

But it's a *debit* card, nto a *credit* card. So they would not be
giving any credit at all!

= Eric (lurking from the USA)

Eric Bustad

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Jan 8, 2002, 11:08:44 PM1/8/02
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Ldp wrote:
>
> In article <3c19d54e$0$195$626a...@news.free.fr>, J...@jlamy.com says...
>
> > > In UK supermarkets you can always get up to £50 that's EUR80 so if you
> > > do that from time to time you don't need to use the ATMs very often.
> > The UK is the only country I know where you can do that.
>
> You can do that at some larger supermarket chains in The Netherlands as
> well. I think you can even go as high as NLG300 (EUR136) at some. I have
> no idea if any of that is legal, or just condoned.
>
Does the US count as a country? Many stores here will give you cash
back
from either a debit card or personal check.

= Eric (from the US)

Thomas Rachel

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Jan 9, 2002, 12:53:32 AM1/9/02
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Eric Bustad:

> But it's a *debit* card, nto a *credit* card. So they would not
> be giving any credit at all!

The time between I buy the things and my bank pays the money to the
shop, I am given a credit by the shop.


Thoma$
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ausschließlich der Belustigung des Lesers. Sie sind Eigentum des Verfassers.

andy roberts

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Jan 9, 2002, 3:23:47 AM1/9/02
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Eric Bustad <ekbu...@monmouth.com> <3C3BC24C...@monmouth.com> :


>Does the US count as a country?

We're discussing Europe here in europa.union.euro.

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