Arguments Against Legalizing Prostitution
Chive Mynde
"And so, many of us are saying that prostitution is intrinsically
abusive. Let me be clear. I am talking to you about prostitution per
se, without more violence, without extra violence, without a woman
being hit, without a woman being pushed. Prostitution in and of itself
is an abuse of a woman's body. Those of us who say this are accused of
being simple-minded. But prostitution is very simple. And if you are
not simple-minded, you will never understand it. The more complex you
manage to be, the further away from the reality you will be--the safer
you will be, the happier you will be, the more fun you will have
discussing the issue of prostitution. In prostitution, no woman stays
whole. It is impossible to use a human body in the way women's bodies
are used in prostitution and to have a whole human being at the end of
it, or in the middle of it, or close to the beginning of it. It's
impossible. And no woman gets whole again later, after. Women who have
been abused in prostitution have some choices to make. You have seen
very brave women here make some very important choices: to use what
they know; to try to communicate to you what they know. But nobody gets
whole, because too much is taken away when the invasion is inside you,
when the brutality is inside your skin. We try so hard to communicate,
all of us to each other, the pain. We plead, we make analogies. The
only analogy I can think of concerning prostitution is that it is more
like gang rape than it is like anything else."
Prostitution and Male Supremacy by Andrea Dworkin
Copyright © 1993, 1994 by Andrea Dworkin.
All rights reserved.[Andrea Dworkin delivered this speech at a symposium
entitled "Prostitution: From Academia to Activism," sponsored by the
Michican Journal of Gender and Law at the University of Michigan Law
School, October 31, 1992.]
http://www.igc.org/Womensnet/dworkin/MichLawJournalI.html
2. Prostitution is Rape (90% of prostitutes are survivors of incest or
sexual abuse) - Katherine M. DePasquale
The Council for Prostitution Alternatives has reported that prostituted
women were raped approximately once a week9
9 Susan Kay Hunter, "Prostitution is Cruelty and Abuse to Women and
Children," Michigan Journal of Gender and Law, 1994 (taken
from "Prostitution, Violence, and Posttraumatic Stress Disorder,"
Melissa Farley and Norma Hotaling, Box 16254, San Francisco,
California, 94116).
A Canadian Report on Prostitution and Pornography found that women and
girls in prostitution had a mortality rate 40 times higher than the
national average10
10 Margaret A. Baldwin, "Split at the Root: Prostitution and Feminist
Discourses of Law Reform," Yale Journal of Law and Feminism, 1993
(taken from "Prostitution, Violence, and Posttraumatic Stress
Disorder," Melissa Farley and Norma Hotaling, Box 16254, San Francisco,
California, 94116)(emphasis added).
Women and transgender prostitutes experienced significantly more
violence (rapes and physical assaults) than did male prostitutes; [t]o
be female--or to be perceived as female--is to be more intensely
targeted for violence11
11 Melissa Farley and Norma Hotaling, Box 16254, San Francisco,
California, 94116, "Prostitution, Violence, and Posttraumatic Stress
Disorder," NGO Forum, Fourth World Conference on Women, Beijing, (c)
1995 by Dr. Melissa Farley.
The average age of entry into prostitution is 13 years or 14 years.
These studies are outdated, since the age of entry into prostitution is
decreasing.5
5 "Prostitution: Fact Sheet on Human Rights Violations," 1996, Melissa
Farley, Ph.D., available from melif...@aol.com).
3. Incest is boot camp for prostitution
One psychologist I talked to for this article has found that over 90%
of prostitutes are survivors of incest or sexual abuse. The two women I
talked to for this article both experienced molestation as children.
But let's call it what it really is: rape. And prostitution itself is,
inherently, rape. There are many prostitutes, current and former, who
assert that prostitution is a valid career choice; should even be
legalized, or, at the very least, should not have such stigma attached
to it. I read some of their work for this article, and I've chosen not
to focus on them. But I think it's important that we appreciate the
difference between condemning prostitutes and condemning prostitution
itself. It is possible to withhold judgment and empathize with these
women while simultaneously abhorring what is being done to them, just
as it is possible to simultaneously see these women as victims in some
sense while we acknowledge their agency in surviving. And the issue of
their consent is really non-existent, especially for some women who
enter prostitution as a young girl; can a 14 year-old who "chooses"
prostitution as a means of survival really be said to have made
a "career decision"?
If incest is boot camp for prostitution, it is ludicrous to expect a
young woman to somehow dump all that training and become something she
was never intended to be. And as Dworkin points out, "the training is
specific and it's important: not to have any real boundaries to her own
body; to know that she's valued only for sex; to learn about men what
the offender, the sex offender, is teaching her."3
3 Andrea Dworkin, "Prostitution and Male Supremacy in Life and Death,"
1997, New York: Free Press.
This article is ©1997, Katherine DePasquale and may not be copied,
reprinted, or otherwise used in any form without the express written
permission of the author.
Feminista!, 1850 Union Street #1173, San Francisco CA 94123
http://www.feminista.com/v1n5/depasquale.html
The Effects of Prostitution - by Katherine M. DePasquale
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"A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its
opponents and making them see the light, but rather because
its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up
that is familiar with it." - Max Planck
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Before you buy.
Noinden
<ooochiveo...@my-deja.com> wrote:
AGAIN you post higly suspect and biased info child! Hows about you
think before you quote??? PLUS cut the cross posts to completley
unrelated groups!
Jaqueline
> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 07:36:55 GMT
> From: Chive Mynde <ooochiveo...@my-deja.com>
> Newsgroups: sci.skeptic, alt.religion.wicca, alt.traditional.witchcraft
> Subject: Arguments Against Legalizing Prostitution
<drivel deleted.>
Yes. Keep me safe in my home. Married to a slob who beats me every
evening. You do not have to be concerned about me any longer. You no
longer see me standing all by myself on that, Dangerous Street Corner.
I would rather be facing, "A John With, A PISTOL!!!"
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room sucking on her Medicine Pipe. Sleep for a little while... Fear
nothing.
Chive Mynde
Noinden <sla...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
> In article <8sjjun$94u$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, Chive Mynde
> <ooochiveo...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> AGAIN you post higly suspect and biased info child!
Please demonstrate and elucidate as to which "info" is highly suspect
and biased or retract your claims and admit you are wrong.
Put up or shut up!
- Chive
Chive Mynde
"Jaqueline Auburn WA." <sky...@hemp.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Oct 2000 07:36 -0000, Chive Mynde <ooochiveooomyndeooo@my-
deja.c...:
>
> > Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 07:36:55 GMT
> > From: Chive Mynde <ooochiveo...@my-deja.com>
> > Newsgroups: sci.skeptic, alt.religion.wicca,
alt.traditional.witchcraft
> > Subject: Arguments Against Legalizing Prostitution
>
> <drivel deleted.>
>
> Yes. Keep me safe in my home. Married to a slob who beats me every
> evening. You do not have to be concerned about me any longer. You no
> longer see me standing all by myself on that, Dangerous Street Corner.
>
> I would rather be facing, "A John With, A PISTOL!!!"
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar...is this case, it ain't.
- Chive
Chive Mynde
4. Survivors speak out
STORM/survivors speaking out
An open letter from a woman who was prostituted
Lisa B.
My basic story is that my mother was a druggie and hung out with biker
types when I was 10 or so. About a month before my 11th birthday, I was
gang-raped by some pals of hers, and after that was taken to parties
and left with people, whom I had to be nice to so mom could get her
dope and crank. My brother was 6 years younger and went through some of
the same crap which is probably why we like to blow stuff up so much).
I was basically his mom from the time he was born, which is why he's
screwed up, I guess. but he's a good guy, he just gets dumped on a lot,
and can't deal with being on his own....
Anyways, this went on for about three years, until I came home and
found something happening to my brother when I was fourteen. I nearly
beat my mom to death. She still has crooked teeth from that, and I have
a stab scar on my thigh from where she stabbed me. I stopped just in
time, and grabbed my brother and ran to the neighbors to call an aunt.
I ended up sleeping at friend's houses and at various aunts for the
next three years, and my brother ended up in foster care. Occasionally,
we got to stay with my dad, but he traveled a lot, so it was kind of
hard.
I was very lucky in that I trusted absolutely no-one, because there
were times when I was at parties and guys were scoping out girls (and
boys) to pimp them out. I was way paranoid by this time. My dad was
supportive, although I don't think he really believed everything until
just recently. He knew about her cruelty and physical abuse, though. He
had kidnapped us away from my mom when I was 8, and my brother was 2,
because my mom kept abandoning us and leaving us in various places for
days at a time. I think the worst thing he ever did was take my mom
back in when she came out the next year.
So I managed to get into a good college, because school was the only
constant, and I was too paranoid to actually have much of a life
outside of school. I even got scholarships, because of good grades and
acing my SAT’s. I guess that is a big survival thing, perfectionism. I
like rules. School was the only place where there were rules- you did
the work and you could get away with a lot, skipping classes,
vandalism, fights "but she gets such good grades- she' so just not
challenged enough..." So I got a little obsessive. It was the only
place I ever got told I was good at anything but sex, and I had the
grades to prove it.
I went to a good college for three years, was an activist in the rape
awareness movement, the gay and lesbian thing, and the South Africa
freedom thing, among other things. I worked 30 hours or more a week,
was in a band, and maintained a 3.75 dean's list average. I just never
slept, having developed a sleep disorder. I always thought it was
normal, that sleep was a joke. I thought that everybody just needed
quiet alone time for eight hours or so... when I was with my brother,
we'd watch everybody go to bed and sit up watching old movies and doing
homework and talking all night, then take a nap in the afternoon or
fall asleep in class.
So I was on the way to burn-out city when I got really sick. Because of
the damage done in my pre-pubescent years, I had never had a period,
and I never thought about it and my mom never said any thing about it.
It turned out that my uterus and ovaries had so much scar tissue that
they pretty much atrophied and I found out I had tumors throughout my
urinary and reproductive system. Most were benign, but as few were in
early cancer stage, so I had to go through chemo at 21. I lost my
scholarship because I couldn't keep up with my classes or even attend
after surgery and when the treatments started. I couldn't work and
summer was coming, so my friends were all leaving town. My girlfriend
left because the chemo effects really grossed her out, and her mom had
died of cervical cancer, and she couldn't deal.
So my mom talked to me and said she was sorry that we had fought so
much and would I please come home to rest and get better. She was clean
and sober, she claimed, and this was more important than any silly
disagreements we had. So like an idiot, or rather like a person without
any other options at the time, I went back home.
She kicked me out in about three days, because she had assumed I money
or at least stuff to sell to give her money to buy drugs- what a
surprise. I was in shelters for a few weeks, and was planning to start
up at a local college in the fall, and trying to get on disability or
some kind of assistance to recover and start over.
She invited me over, all apologetic and ending up dragging me to a
party, where this guy came up and starting saying all the right things,
pushing all the buttons of how vulnerable I was. I was paranoid but I
wanted to leave the party. My mom wasn't ready to leave, and it was
past curfew at the hostel I was staying at. This guy offered to drive
me back to my mom's house, and I was tired and sick and so I said OK.
This guy was a buddy of my mom's and he had basically bought me. He
drove me to a hotel where I was kept for about two or three weeks,
until I would have done anything he said to be able to stay alive or
sometimes in the hope that I would be killed quickly. Of course, I
tried to run away at the first opportunity; after he turned me out as a
prostitute,] when he broke my ribs and someone called an ambulance. I
called my mother from the hospital, because I still didn't know she
sold me out, and because she was the only person I knew in the city.
She came, all right, but she stopped by the hotel and picked Bob up .
They made me get in the back seat of a cramped 2-door car , and laughed
in the front about how hard it was to keep me in line and how funny it
was that someone as stupid as me could be so uppity and think I was
worth anything.
I tried and tried to escape several times, but the shelters would take
me because I was not a battered woman, even if I my arm in a cast, or
stitches or broken jaw and cheekbones and nose. I was not a victim or
survivor, I was a prostitute and a riminal and they couldn't give up
precious bed space to criminals. If I had a problem, I should just find
another job....( which is why I now do trainings at area DV shelters,
so other survivors won't face this bullshit and can find a place to
escape to) It does you no good to just ESCAPE, you have to have
somewhere to escape TO! And I didn't. Finally, after nearly two years
of horrifying captivity and terror and abuse (like living in one of
those Nightmare on Elm Street Movies , I just decided to kill the
bastard. I found a knife and hid it and was going to wait until he fell
asleep.
Unfortunately, I fell asleep first and woke up with that knife--
an 'old hickory' butcher knife, 2 inches wide at its widest point, and
8 inches long- stabbed into my vagina. I was nearly killed and another
woman was in the room, I still don't know how she is or what happened
to her later. I think she was going to be my replacement, or maybe she
came down to check on the screaming.. I don't know, except she had long
hair and her name was Kristen. I was in the hospital for a few weeks
because of many stab wounds, and a dislocated shoulder that had never
been set.
But somehow, my father was called and really was in shock that I had
never called. I guess I thought he would hate me for being a whore, so
I was ashamed, or that I had tried to call but could not get in touch
and gave up.
Anyways I was in hiding for a while, which is why I was homeless. I was
found a couple of times and was afraid to get a job, to put my name on
a lease, to get help because that would lead a trail. At least now I
know he's in prison. But my biggest regret in life is that I didn't
kill him when I had the chance, because he got out of jail after
serving only three months of a three year term form what he did to me
and the other girl mostly what he did to the other girl because the DA
did not want me to testify because I had a history of prostitution!!!
And he got out and raped and beat more women, a few months and did it
again and again, and finally broke into the apartment of a college
student whose keys he had stolen in a bar. He raped and beat her and
her room mate, not nearly as bad as he did me or other women he pimped,
but they were good girls, smart, pretty college students, and the new
three strikes law was passed, so he will be in until he rots, I pray
and hope.
But there is always that fear, because I was never notified when he was
released those other times and he always tracked me down:. I had to
change my name twice and my appearance and leave town for a while and
lose any contacts I had with work or family or friends...
SO, I cannot tell you about where I am, what I do for a living, or my
real name. I can tell you that I am an honored professional now, that I
went back to school, and that I speak out on prostitution as violence
against women at every opportunity, albeit anonymously. I can tell you
that 10 years later, I still have health problems, internal and
external scars, and nightmares. I can tell you that I still live in
FEAR: fear of being found by my ex-pimp or his friends; fear of being
identified as a survivor and losing my job; fear of never being able to
trust again...AND fear that somewhere tonite, amother woman will be
living my story and she may not be able to get out before she dies...]
Email: stor...@mindspring.com
http://www.angelfire.com/wa/onestorm1/4.html
Chive Mynde
5. Survivors speak out
STORM/survivors speaking out
Testimony and expression of real life events of a prostituted woman
The Young Breed©
by misha x
© misha x, 1997, all rights reserved.
I go to the cafe on the corner to sit and write. It has been a long day
waiting tables, and I am so tired that if I went home I would just lay
around watching tv until I fell asleep on the couch. It is preety noisy
in here for a Wednesday, so I try to find a space in the back away from
the crowd of street punks waiting for the clubs to open.
I am trying to find the words to write about my life. Sometimes they
just won't come. It is kind of funny, I guess, when I am so familiar
with the subject matter. And I feel that nobody will ever read it
anyways, so what does it matter to get it down right? Who wants to hear
the life story of an old whore? But still I struggle. For me the
process is more important than the product. So I close my eyes and sip
the latte and wait for the memories to flow. I wonder what I am doing
alive after all this time. Did I escape from Hell just to spend my life
as a would-be writer waiting tables? Or is there really a purpose to
all this crap? Sometimes I think I write just so I can prove I am real,
that I do, in fact, exist. Sometimes it is to reassure myself that the
nightmares were real, that my life really did happen the way I
remember. And, sometimes, in the re-telling, the committing of my life
to scribbles on a blank page, I remember just how bad it was. Sometimes
I feel as if writing my stories, all posed as fiction, of course, is
like opening a vein and pouring my life out. It is a slower, more
painful version of suicide than any other method I have tried.
It's no use. Tonight, the words just won't come. I have gotten to a
point in my history, where there are no words, only a blur of pain and
blunted perceptions. SO the tired old girl gets up and goes outside for
a smoke. Maybe I should just call it a night.
I squat on the sidewalk outside the Cafe and watch the night beginning
to unfold. My eyes close as I breathe in the smoke. Just another of my
many ways of killing myself slowly. I am too much of a coward to get it
over with quickly, I guess. And the times I've tried it that way didn't
turn out well at all. I look up. Everything seems to have gotten quiet
all of a sudden. The loud youth are gone, just a few drunks staggering
from tavern to tavern. It is colder and darker than when I first
stepped out.
I give up on writing and head for home. As I am walking I see a girl,
maybe 17, maybe 20. It's hard to tell with the makeup and the worn-out
look on her face. Somehow she looks familiar. Reaching into my pocket
for another match, I come up empty. Damn! There's nothing worse than
having a smoke and needing a smoke and not having anything to light it
with. Almost as bad as getting your ribs cracked again from coming up
short on the money because another trick stiffed you. The girl is
closer now. Frustrated, I ask her if she's got a light. She steps over
and as her face becomes clearer, I notice how red her eyes are, and I
can see the shadow of a bruise along the edge of her mask of overdone
makeup. She looks even more familiar now, like I should know her...
Maybe she has been in my restaurant or something. I am really bad at
names, so I don't even try to guess at hers.
She hands me a silver zippo with a rose engraved on it. I light up,
thank her and hand it back. She nods at me in recognition.
"How are you doing tonight?" I ask, still trying to remember her name
or where I know her from. "pretty cold to be walking around without a
coat..."
"Yeah, well, bad for business." she says with a sad grin. Her dress hem
is torn and her top seems too small for her. Black... all dressed in
black, as if she were heading for a funeral. Her lips part adn she
takes another drag and I see her front left tooth is missing.
Suddenly, I remember where I know her from. She is one of the whores
that wait outside the row of taverns on the next street, the one we
used to call the 'last call mall', where I ended up after I had worked
my way down the ladder into oblivion. I feel a wave of grief and images
to ugly to name flash through my mind.
"Are you busy now? You look cold... As one old working girl to another,
I'd like to buy you some coffee." I don't know what else to say. I want
to take her in my arms, to rush her away to where she will never be
hurt again. She is too young to look so old.
"Yeah," she answers, looking around to see if she is being
watched. "That would be nice. I am really wasted right now and I really
need to get warm before I hafta go back to work."
We head back into the cafe, back to my table, which has still not been
cleared. The waitress comes by and reminds me there is a minimum on the
table. "What do you want, honey?" I still can't remember her name, and
I am starting to get embarrassed about it. I know we have talked
before. And I want to remember, so she will trust me, and listen to
what I need so desperately to tell her. What I wish someone had told me
back in my dark ages, when I was out walking around looking for a date
to please my boyfriend and try to make him love me. "Anything you want.
You need something to eat, looks like to me."
She orders a burger and a coke and those really greasy fries I used to
practically live on. When the witress leaves us alone, I try to find
the right words to say. The magic words that will convince her that she
is worth more than this, that she deserves to be free. There is an
awkward silence. "So, how long you been working out here?" I ask.
"I don't know a month or so... I was dancing at Macombo, and then I ...
Well, then I had to leave. My man didn't like me workin' there
anyways, 'cause they took too much out of my tips. Besides," she says
as that odd grin crosses her face again, lips closed to hide her
teeth. " I was getting too old for that place anyways. Time to move on,
I guess." "Look, sweetie, I don't know how else to say this. You know
I've been where you are now, and I wouldn't go back for a million
bucks." I hear my voice start to carack as my eyes fill with
water. "You know what's going to happen if you stay out here. I know
what's going to happen if you stay out here. You don't need to do this
for some junkie who doesn't give a shit about you." There. It's out,
and the flood of words I was looking for earlier flow out of me. I
don't even know if she is hearing me. It has to come out or I will die
alongside her tonite. I remember her 'boyfriend', a stupid user named
JD. He has a habit, well, several habits, actually, but only one that I
had a problem with. I didn't care if he killed himself with dope, but
using others to help him do it was the one I had trouble with. He had a
habit of charming young girls, usually freshmen at the local college,
with the 'glamour' of the free and easy lifestyle of heroin chic. Only
it wasn't 'free' for the girls for long. They usually had a life span
of less than a year before they ended up too beaten up and beaten down
to do much of anything but exist, if they were still alive. I tell her
of the others before her and the ones who will come after she is long
gone.
"You don't know what you are talking about!" She is angry now. I had
gone too far. "This isn't like the rest. We are just doing this until
we get enough to get cleaned up and start over. We are saving to go to
Seattle. One more month and it won't be this way."
I am losing her."You are the one 'doing this', not him. Why doesn't he
go out and turn a trick for you once in a while? One more month and you
could be dead! I know, I've been there and I got out. It's hard but it
can be done. Let me help you, we can go now to a safe place. We can get
you safe and away from this..."
Too late. She is up from the table and out. I probably will never see
her again. I leave 8 bucks on the table for the waitress, who is just
now arriving with the food the girl had ordered. I rush out into the
street, but she is gone already... The night seems to have warmed up a
bit, and it seems lighter. The moon must have come out.
I say a quick prayer for her as I take my silver lighter out, the one
with the rose that I stole from a trick so many years ago. I light up
another smoke for the walk home.
Email: stor...@mindspring.com
http://www.angelfire.com/wa/onestorm1/5.html
Chive Mynde
6. Eradicate Prostitution: Arrest the Johns - Kelly Holsopple
Prostitution
A man named James Green wrote a very inaccurate view of prostitution in
the Raleigh Durham, NC News & Observer in an editorial. His position
was countered by Kelly Holsopple. This is her reply, one which the N &
O chose not to print.
Before James Green got serious about prostitution, he should have
gotten educated about prostitution. The best way to eradicate
prostitution is a comprehensive attack on johns and pimps, the
perpetrators of prostitution. Historically, law enforcement efforts
related to prostitution have focused on the supply side of the
equation. Police officers typically arrest highly visible prostituted
women and children rather than the more mobile and difficult to catch
johns and pimps. Despite the increased efforts to make more arrests of
and to enforce maximum sentences upon the prostituted women,
prostitution has flourished.
Johns create the demand for prostitution and its institutionalization
in the sex industry. Johns maintain the multi-billion dollar sex
industry by using women and children in stripclubs, massage parlors,
brothels, peep shows, live sex shows, pornography, escort services,
mail order brides, cult sex rings, and on the street. Each of these
forms of prostitution provides johns with unlimited sexual access to
women and girls based solely on their ability to pay. Prostitution is
not inevitable. It is a socially sanctioned tactic for male power and
control.
A john is any man who beleives he has the right to purchase women and
children to satisfy his sexaul and violent urges. A john uses his
economic power to make women and children comply with his demands. He
may threaten, rob, rape, beat, kidnap, torture, and even murder them to
enforce his demands. A pimp is any man or woman who induces, promotes,
and profits from the prostitution of women and children. A pimp uses
physical and sexual violence to control where she goes, sell her as a
commodity, force her into unwanted sex, and prevent her from escaping
prostitution. Pimps prey on vulnerable women and children who have
often suffered incest and previous sexual violence. They season they
victims by wearing them down and making them psychologically,
emotionally, chemically and financially dependent.
A pimp can be from any culture, any income level, any social
background. A pimp can be a street hustler, a madam, a strip bar owner,
a drug dealer, a cab driver, a boyfriend, a husband, a parent.
Prostitution is a system that differentially targets females and is a
direct result of women's social, sexual, and economic subordination.
Women and girls are coerced and forced into systems of prostitution.
Others become involved in prostitution as a survival response. Being
used in prostitution is not an all-encompassing definition of who a
woman was, is or will be. The differences that set prostituted women
apart are seldom of choice or morality, they are simply differences of
circumstance. The concept of choice implies existence of at least two
options from which one chooses. The difference between starvation,
abuse, homelessness, loneliness, and death or prostitution can hardly
be called a choice.
Prostituted women and girls live lives of unlimited exposure. They are
exposed to the constant harassment and degradation of verbal assault,
to conditions of weather, to malnutrition, homelessness, disease,
incarceration, sleep deprivation, mental illness, physical and sexual
abuse, torture, and murder. There is no safety or comfort in sleeping
or waking hours. Drug and alcohol abuse provide fleeting moments of
escape, only to become addictions that magnify the horror of the
reality in which they are trapped. Unlimited access and unlimited
exposure, this is the 'lifestyle' called prostitution. The women and
girls who suffer unspeakable violence as a matter of daily life, who
suffer distortions of mind and spirit beyond comprehension are our
friends, our sisters, our mothers, our daughters.
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Vanora
Chive Mynde <ooochiveo...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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Chive Mynde
Apparently, you care. Otherwise, why would you read the post and
reply? Did your pimp force you to read this post and reply? I bet he
did.
- Chive
N0Nthing
good day for me. He also said that if you don't stop preaching against
prostitution he's going to come over and shiff your ass.
Vanora
http://personal.rdu.bellsouth.net/~n0nthing
Chive Mynde <ooochiveo...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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> In article <31eH5.5575$Tl6....@news4.atl>,
> "N0Nthing" <n0nt...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > Chive, shut up already, no one cares.
> >
> > Vanora
>
> Apparently, you care. Otherwise, why would you read the post and
> reply? Did your pimp force you to read this post and reply? I bet he
> did.
>
> - Chive
Oldone
"N0Nthing" <n0nt...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Now now, only today I made 3000 dollars on the street. My pimp said
it was a
> good day for me. He also said that if you don't stop preaching against
> prostitution he's going to come over and shiff your ass.
>
> Vanora
>
Hey! Does yer pimp take resumes?
Oldone
> http://personal.rdu.bellsouth.net/~n0nthing
>
> Chive Mynde <ooochiveo...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> news:8sjrm6$eil$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > In article <31eH5.5575$Tl6....@news4.atl>,
> > "N0Nthing" <n0nt...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > > Chive, shut up already, no one cares.
> > >
> > > Vanora
> >
> > Apparently, you care. Otherwise, why would you read the post and
> > reply? Did your pimp force you to read this post and reply? I bet
he
> > did.
> >
> > - Chive
> > --
> > "A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its
> > opponents and making them see the light, but rather because
> > its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up
> > that is familiar with it." - Max Planck
> >
> >
> > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > Before you buy.
>
>
--
"Chop wood, carry water."
Ancient Tibetan Proverb
Daniel B. Holzman
>
>"And so, many of us are saying that prostitution is intrinsically
>abusive. Let me be clear. I am talking to you about prostitution per
>se, without more violence, without extra violence, without a woman
>being hit, without a woman being pushed. Prostitution in and of itself
>is an abuse of a woman's body. Those of us who say this are accused of
>being simple-minded. But prostitution is very simple. And if you are
>not simple-minded, you will never understand it.
OK, since Andrea Dworkin actually has in fact been a prostitute, she gets
to speak credibly about her experience as a prositute. Unfortunately,
she oversteps herself when she tries to speak about all prostitution
everywhere. She's even overstepping herself if she were to limit this to
be speaking only about the particular form of prositituion she engaged
in: streetwalking. Other streetwalkers and ex-streetwalkers have had a
variety of things to say about streetwalking; other prostitutes have had
other things to say about other forms of prosititution. To see what they
had to say, see the books I've already cited in this forum.
No one's ever managed to give me a convincing reason I should listen to
Dworkin and ignore other women.
>In prostitution, no woman stays
>whole. It is impossible to use a human body in the way women's bodies
>are used in prostitution and to have a whole human being at the end of
>it, or in the middle of it, or close to the beginning of it. It's
>impossible. And no woman gets whole again later, after. Women who have
I know a number of women who have worked as streetwalkers who would take
great exception to this assertion that they're not "whole." While I
accept this was Dworkin's view of herself at the time of writing (and may
or may not persist to the present), that doesn't make it true of all
streetwalkers everywhere, let alone all prostitutes everywhere.
>All rights reserved.[Andrea Dworkin delivered this speech at a symposium
>entitled "Prostitution: From Academia to Activism," sponsored by the
>Michican Journal of Gender and Law at the University of Michigan Law
>School, October 31, 1992.]
>http://www.igc.org/Womensnet/dworkin/MichLawJournalI.html
One is left to wonder if any women who worked as prostitutes but held
differing opinions from Dworkin's was allowed to speak at this
"symposium," or if this was one of those academic pursuits where the
conclusions were determined before the data was examined.
>2. Prostitution is Rape (90% of prostitutes are survivors of incest or
>sexual abuse) - Katherine M. DePasquale
The two statements are non-sequitor. (Incidently, I'd be interested in
seeing DePasquale document that claim. According to the Farley & Barkan
paper you quote below, the rates had been lower in their sampling
group.)
>The Council for Prostitution Alternatives has reported that prostituted
>women were raped approximately once a week9
>9 Susan Kay Hunter, "Prostitution is Cruelty and Abuse to Women and
>Children," Michigan Journal of Gender and Law, 1994 (taken
>from "Prostitution, Violence, and Posttraumatic Stress Disorder,"
>Melissa Farley and Norma Hotaling, Box 16254, San Francisco,
>California, 94116).
I fail to see how this is an argument against legalization of
prositution. With prostitution illegal, prostitutes are rendered a group
who can be raped and abused with impunity because as criminalized people
they do not have recourse to police or courts. Instead, this strikes me
as a resounding argument in favor of legalizing prostitution.
>A Canadian Report on Prostitution and Pornography found that women and
>girls in prostitution had a mortality rate 40 times higher than the
>national average10
>10 Margaret A. Baldwin, "Split at the Root: Prostitution and Feminist
>Discourses of Law Reform," Yale Journal of Law and Feminism, 1993
>(taken from "Prostitution, Violence, and Posttraumatic Stress
>Disorder," Melissa Farley and Norma Hotaling, Box 16254, San Francisco,
>California, 94116)(emphasis added).
Once again, this seems like an argument in favor of legalization instead
of further criminalization. Prostitutes are killed with impunity for the
same reasons they are raped with impunity.
>Women and transgender prostitutes experienced significantly more
>violence (rapes and physical assaults) than did male prostitutes; [t]o
>be female--or to be perceived as female--is to be more intensely
>targeted for violence11
>11 Melissa Farley and Norma Hotaling, Box 16254, San Francisco,
>California, 94116, "Prostitution, Violence, and Posttraumatic Stress
>Disorder," NGO Forum, Fourth World Conference on Women, Beijing, (c)
>1995 by Dr. Melissa Farley.
That those perceived as female are at increased risk of rape isn't
exactly earth-shaking news. Rape is the only violent crime where the
majority of victims are female. If female (or female-perceived)
prostitutes are more likely to be victims of other violent crimes than
male (or male-perceived) prostitutes -- unlike the general population --
that is an interesting finding worth further investigation. Again,
though, this seems like an argument in favor of legalization instead of
against it.
>The average age of entry into prostitution is 13 years or 14 years.
>These studies are outdated, since the age of entry into prostitution is
>decreasing.5
>5 "Prostitution: Fact Sheet on Human Rights Violations," 1996, Melissa
>Farley, Ph.D., available from melif...@aol.com).
It's available online at http://www.prostitutionresearch.com/factsheet.html
It goes on to say "Most of these 13 or 14 year old girls were recruited
or coerced into prostitution. Others were 'traditional wives' without
job skills who escaped from or were abandoned by abusive husbands and
went into prostitution to support themselves and their children." I'm
assuming this a statement about global prostitution, because in the US we
don't have very many 13 or 14 year old "traditional wives." In the case
of those coerced, the fact that prostitution is illegal is a fundamental
part of what allows them to be trapped once coerced -- a prostitute can't
go to the police and say "that pimp over there made me prostitute myself"
without incriminating herself. The things done to coerce adolescents
into prostitution are illegal in and of themselves, and need not be
criminalized specifically as an artifact of prostitution -- i.e. it's
already illegal to hook someone on heroin; it's alreayd illegal to say
"Do this or I'll kill you."
Another argument in favor of legalized prostitution we have here!
As to "traditional wives" entering prostitution to support themselves or
their children, this remains another argument in favor of legalization!
Prostitution's being illegal drives the price up, because of the risks
involved. If prostitution wasn't the highest-paying option for someone
poor, they're less likely to go for it. What's more, this points to a
larger issue: the poor need better options. As long as the illegal
options are the ones which pay best, those are the options someone who's
staring starvating in the eye is going to go for.
>I read some of their work for this article, and I've chosen not
>to focus on them.
Of coruse Dworkin has chosen not to focus on them. She's notorious for
not sharing a stage with a woman who disagrees with her. In her
polemicist role, she relies on beig able to represent herself as speaking
"in the interest of women's liberation," and the fact that other women
don't agree with her about what liberation is detracts from that.
> But I think it's important that we appreciate the
>difference between condemning prostitutes and condemning prostitution
>itself. It is possible to withhold judgment and empathize with these
>women while simultaneously abhorring what is being done to them, just
>as it is possible to simultaneously see these women as victims in some
>sense while we acknowledge their agency in surviving. And the issue of
>their consent is really non-existent, especially for some women who
>enter prostitution as a young girl; can a 14 year-old who "chooses"
>prostitution as a means of survival really be said to have made
>a "career decision"?
Perhaps you can explain how continued criminalization would be consistent
with Dworkin's position that "we" not condemn prostitutes.
The fact is that the criminalization of prostitution is the foundation
on which all the rest of the bad things about prostitution rest. As long
as it's illegal, it will continue to be a trap for the desperate. If you
want that, you *must* work first to legalize it.
--
Daniel B. Holzman
Chive Mynde <ooochiveo...@my-deja.com> wrote:
This article's very important. I want you to read it over and over until
you understand. I'll highlight various crucial points.
>An open letter from a woman who was prostituted
>
>Lisa B.
>
>My basic story is that my mother was a druggie and hung out with biker
>types when I was 10 or so. About a month before my 11th birthday, I was
>gang-raped by some pals of hers, and after that was taken to parties
>and left with people, whom I had to be nice to so mom could get her
>dope and crank.
Rape and child molestation need to be illegal. They are. The illegality
of prostitution does not assist Lisa B. here.
>I was very lucky in that I trusted absolutely no-one, because there
>were times when I was at parties and guys were scoping out girls (and
>boys) to pimp them out. I was way paranoid by this time. My dad was
>supportive, although I don't think he really believed everything until
>just recently. He knew about her cruelty and physical abuse, though. He
Child abuse needs to be illegal. It is. The illegality of prostitution
does not assist Lisa B. here.
>This guy was a buddy of my mom's and he had basically bought me. He
Slavery needs to be illegal. It is. The illegality of prostitution does
not assist Lisa B. here.
>drove me to a hotel where I was kept for about two or three weeks,
>until I would have done anything he said to be able to stay alive or
>sometimes in the hope that I would be killed quickly. Of course, I
>tried to run away at the first opportunity; after he turned me out as a
>prostitute,] when he broke my ribs and someone called an ambulance.
Kidnapping and assault need to be illegal. It is. The illegality of
prostitution does not assist Lisa B. here.
> I called my mother from the hospital, because I still didn't know she
>sold me out, and because she was the only person I knew in the city.
>She came, all right, but she stopped by the hotel and picked Bob up .
>They made me get in the back seat of a cramped 2-door car , and laughed
>in the front about how hard it was to keep me in line and how funny it
>was that someone as stupid as me could be so uppity and think I was
>worth anything.
Kidnapping and slavery need to be illegal. It is. The illegality of
prostitution does not assist Lisa B. here.
>I tried and tried to escape several times, but the shelters would take
>me because I was not a battered woman, even if I my arm in a cast, or
>stitches or broken jaw and cheekbones and nose. I was not a victim or
>survivor, I was a prostitute and a criminal and they couldn't give up
>precious bed space to criminals.
This is the big one. Read it over and over again. Here, let me focus
you in on the important line:
>I WAS A PROSTITUTE AND A CRIMINAL AND THEY COULDN'T GIVE UP
>PRECIOUS BED SPACE TO CRIMINALS.
Read it one more time:
>I WAS A PROSTITUTE AND A CRIMINAL AND THEY COULDN'T GIVE UP
>PRECIOUS BED SPACE TO CRIMINALS.
Not only did the illegality of prostitution not assist Lisa B. here, it
KEPT HER TRAPPED IN IT BECAUSE THE RESOURCES FOR GETTING OUT OF IT WERE
DENIED HER ON THE EXPLICIT BASIS OF HER CRIMINAL STATUS.
Keep reading that over and over. I don't know how it can be made any
plainer. If you support the criminalization of prostitution, you support
keeping women trapped in slavery. It's really that simple.
>But my biggest regret in life is that I didn't
>kill him when I had the chance, because he got out of jail after
>serving only three months of a three year term form what he did to me
>and the other girl mostly what he did to the other girl because the DA
>did not want me to testify because I had a history of prostitution!!!
Read that again.
>THE DA DID NOT WANT ME TO TESTIFY BECAUSE I HAD A HISTORY OF PROSTITUTION!!!
One more time, just in case you missed it:
>THE DA DID NOT WANT ME TO TESTIFY BECAUSE I HAD A HISTORY OF PROSTITUTION!!!
In this instance, Lisa B.'s criminalized status PROTECTED HER ENSLAVER,
RAPIST, AND ASSAILANT FROM PUNISHMENT FOR HIS CRIMES.
If you support criminalized prostitution, you support a system which
allows those who engage in the rape, assault, and enslavement of
prostitutes to go virtually unpunished. It's really that simple.
>And he got out and raped and beat more women, a few months and did it
>again and again, and finally broke into the apartment of a college
>student whose keys he had stolen in a bar. He raped and beat her and
>her room mate, not nearly as bad as he did me or other women he pimped,
>but they were good girls, smart, pretty college students, and the new
>three strikes law was passed, so he will be in until he rots, I pray
>and hope.
Take another look at that one: Because of Lisa B.'s criminalized status,
her rapist, assailant, and enslaver was permitted to go on to victimize
more women.
Let's be plain: Anyone with an interest in allowing women to get
themselves out of these situations *must* support the legalization of
prostitution. To criminalize prostitution is to keep women in conditions
of slavery.
--
Marni
mean all well and good that this is possibly how you belive, or not, but why
post this here?
Marni
"Chive Mynde" <ooochiveo...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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OcTavO
need to get out and get some sunshine before you develop radar. If you
are posting from work then you need to be fired.
OcT
In article <8sjpkg$cv1$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, Chive Mynde
<ooochiveo...@my-deja.com> wrote:
<snipped stuff that nobody read>
OcTavO
Amsterdam for instance are there of their own accord because they know
two things. 1) they can make more money there in a month then most
people will make in a year and 2) they are far safer in the legalized
sex industry of holland than they are in the illegal system of other
western European countries where they face persecution from their pimps,
their cliental and the police alike.
I believe that legalizing prostitution would eventually lead to a system
wherein the safety of those women who choose WILLINGLY to enter the as a
career choice could be reinforced. I'm inclined to say that the plight
of abused prostitutes is mostly down to the opinion of people like Chive
here. People who are causing more harm than they realise by fighting to
keep the underworld sex industry open for business.
OcT
In article <8skeis$pvj$1...@gail.ripco.com>, hol...@ripco.com (Daniel B.
Chive Mynde
> Chive Mynde <ooochiveo...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> This article's very important. I want you to read it over and over
until
> you understand.
No, I want *you* to read it over and over until *you* understand. You
seem to have a talent for distorting what people say. Are you a
lawyer, by any chance?
You snipped this paragraph from your dishonest assessment:
"SO, I cannot tell you about where I am, what I do for a living, or my
real name. I can tell you that I am an honored professional now, that I
went back to school, and that I speak out on prostitution as violence
against women at every opportunity, albeit anonymously. I can tell you
that 10 years later, I still have health problems, internal and
external scars, and nightmares. I can tell you that I still live in
FEAR: fear of being found by my ex-pimp or his friends; fear of being
identified as a survivor and losing my job; fear of never being able to
trust again...AND fear that somewhere tonite, amother woman will be
living my story and she may not be able to get out before she dies...]"
- Chive
Daniel B. Holzman
Chive Mynde <ooochiveo...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
>No, I want *you* to read it over and over until *you* understand. You
>seem to have a talent for distorting what people say. Are you a
>lawyer, by any chance?
Systems Administrator, actually. I suppose reading all those manuals led
to my possessing the reading comprehension skills you clearly lack.
I didn't distort a thing she said -- I quoted her. She said, in so
many words, that she was denied a bed in a battered women's shelter
despite having injuries on the grounds that she was a prostitute, and
on the grounds that as a prostitute she is a criminal.
>You snipped this paragraph from your dishonest assessment:
>
>"SO, I cannot tell you about where I am, what I do for a living, or my
>real name. I can tell you that I am an honored professional now, that I
>went back to school, and that I speak out on prostitution as violence
>against women at every opportunity, albeit anonymously. I can tell you
>that 10 years later, I still have health problems, internal and
>external scars, and nightmares. I can tell you that I still live in
>FEAR: fear of being found by my ex-pimp or his friends; fear of being
>identified as a survivor and losing my job; fear of never being able to
>trust again...AND fear that somewhere tonite, amother woman will be
>living my story and she may not be able to get out before she dies...]"
I snipped it because it had relatively little bearing on the question of
whether or not the illegality of prostitution was part of what kept her
trapped, but I suppose it's worth pointing out that if prostitution
weren't illegal, she wouldn't be in fear of losing her job if anyone
finds out that she used to be a prostitute.
I note that you were unable to respond to the bulk of my posting. The
fact remains: the illegality of prostitution serves to keep prostitutes
trapped, and in supporting the illegality of prostitution, you support a
system in which prostitutes are trapped. Lisa B. is afraid to let people
know she used to be a prostitute because the system you want in place
threatens her job if anyone finds out. Lisa B. is afraid that "somewhere
tonite, amother woman will be living my story and she may not be able
to get out before she dies" because that woman will be trapped there by
the system you want in place.
If you want women not to be trapped in prostitution, then those women
need not to be locked out of receviging services on the grounds that
they're criminals.
--
Chive Mynde
> Chive Mynde <ooochiveo...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> The fact remains: the illegality of prostitution serves to keep
prostitutes
> trapped, and in supporting the illegality of prostitution, you
support a
> system in which prostitutes are trapped.
That is not a fact but a distorition of the facts.
The Johns who seek out prostitution should be arrested. In that
manner, prostitution can be targeted by criminalizing those who would
expoit women and not the women themselves.
YOU support prostitution and YOU support keeping women trapped in it.
I, OTOH, do not.
The clinical, medical, and sociological evidence demonstrates how
prostitution harms women and children around the world.
I am against legalizing and legitimizing prostitution based on this
evidence.
Feel free to distort, twist, and manipulate the evidence all you like.
- Chive
Chive Mynde
2. Prostitution is Rape - Katherine M. DePasquale
3. Incest is boot camp for prostitution - Katherine M. DePasquale
4. Survivors Speak Out - Lisa B.
5. Survivors Speak Out - Email: stor...@mindspring.com
6. Eradicate Prostitution: Arrest the Johns - Kelly Holsopple
In article <8sjq30$db3$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
7. Survivors Speak Out
TORM/survivors speaking out
An open letter from a survivor
Hi - I am a survivor childhood sexual abuse, prostitution and
victimization by a sexual offender. My father was a child molester who
victimized about half of the little girls in our neighbourhood. By the
age of about 10 I thought it was my job to try to protect these girls
by catching him in the act and removing them. When I finally told my
mother at a friend's insistence she made excuses for him, said he was a
sick person who couldn't help himself. She had a nervous breakdown
after this and was given drugs by a psychiatrist. After this she
started drinking and eventually died of cirhossis of the liver.
I became very self destructive; used alcohol & drugs for years, had
some bad overdoses and nearly died. I hated myself when I should have
turned my anger toward the offender & his collaborators - I also blame
the school system - a teacher called in some psychologist when I was 10
to do tests, he never asked what was going on in the home (the verdict
was that I was emotionally disturbed but nothing more was done); and at
16 the family dr. put me on addictive drugs as I had a big problem with
anxiety and insomnia. I was then sent to a child psychiatrist who gave
me more drugs & told my parents to keep me in more and have stricter
rules. No one asked me what was going on in the home. After I sobered
up I realized they were the offenders/collaborators and I was blameless
as a kid.
Prostitution was my boyfriend's idea; I started when I was 21 or 22.
Prostitution was a continuum of the sexual abuse I received as a child.
I got out when I was 24 - I went to a good treatment centre for alcohol
& drug addiction in another city 3000 miles away (got away from all my
friends who drank and used drugs and my family also). Luckily my
medical insurance paid for my treatment.
I was 13 years sober before I dealt with the sexual abuse through
counselling. I still have problems (developed as coping skills) from
the sexual abuse. When I was I was unfortunate enough to become
involved with a sexual offender I knew in AA. I knew him for a year and
a half as a friend and thought he was a nice guy. He used this time to
test my boundaries and decide whether I ould be a good victim. I was
also vulnerable at this time as I had just been through a
custody/access battle. Once I became involved with him I found out that
he was sadistic. He started off by telling me things he had supposedly
heard on the news e.g. about a professor who had abducted young girls
and kept them chained in a cottage in the woods and abused them until
they died. After awhile I realized that he was talking about his own
desires. When he tried some of these things on me I realized that I had
to get away from him. The only thing that turned him on was inflicting
pain. I gathered up my courage to tell people what he was like. People
I had known for as long as 10 or 12 yrs. would cut me off with things
like "you know I think he is a nice guy" or "a relationship is
something that should be worked out between two people". The police
said they could lay charges but would never get a conviction. By this
time he & some of his buddies were stalking & harassing me for trying
to spread such "lies" and "gossip" about him. One time he was telling
me about another guy we knew who is known to attack different women - I
said, oh, that's the guy who attacked my friend - he asked me, well did
she charge him - I said no, - so this way he found out that she would
be a good victim too. Later he started stalking her. I feel bad about
it - at the time he was acting outraged as if this other guy should be
stopped; and at the same time he was finding out information about my
friends. She said he sometimes just seems to appear out of nowhere, all
of a sudden standing right beside her. Really creepy. A power trip for
him I am sure.
I went to a sexual assault survivors' group at a woman's organization
and they helped me. They put up posters (with his picture) saying that
he was a sexual offender who was violent with women & to stay away from
him. These women did not even know me & yet they believed me. After he
was exposed he moved (true to type). His friends continued to harass me
& I do not go alot of places I used to go because of this. I felt like
much of this was a repeat of my childhood sexual abuse; if people
believed what I was saying, most blamed me for the abuse. The stalking
& harassment went on for a couple of years.
People who thought I was involved in the postering accused me
of "revenge" or being "vindictive" - my answer was whoever did it was
trying to protect other women. A woman I know was involved with him for
awhile (she lived in the same apt. building he did) and then suddenly
left town. He was also on probation then for threatening a woman at
work with a pair of scissors (he worked with drug addicted
prostitutes). He is a good con artist and convinced people he was the
victim in this case also. Of course the problem was that he just moved
somewhere else to start all over again. Because he presents as a "nice
guy" and is good looking most people are not willing to believe he
could be a sexual offender. Also because he targets women he knows, he
spent a year and a half getting to know me first. Any guy who did these
things to a stranger would receive consequences.
Now I spend most of my time involved in studies and women's groups
trying help change things so other kids (I have two girls myself) will
have a better chance.
© 1997, A Survivor, all rights reserved
site owner: jill leighton
http://www.angelfire.com/wa/onestorm1/2.html
Chive Mynde
Chive Mynde <ooochiveo...@my-deja.com> wrote:
1. Prostitution is intrinsically abusive - Andrea Dworkin.
2. Prostitution is Rape - Katherine M. DePasquale
3. Incest is boot camp for prostitution - Katherine M. DePasquale
4. Survivors Speak Out - Lisa B.
5. Survivors Speak Out - Email: stor...@mindspring.com
6. Eradicate Prostitution: Arrest the Johns - Kelly Holsopple
7. Survivors Speak Out - site owner: jill leighton
8. Prostitution - A Modern Form of Slavery, Dorchen Leidholdt
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domination of men over women, of adults over children, of rich over
poor, of racial and ethnic majorities over racial and ethnic
minorities, and of and so called "First World "over so-called "Third
World" countries.
We believe that all of the practices I have just described are proper
areas of inquiry for the Working Group on Contemporary Forms of
Slavery. We define slavery as the domination and control by an
individual or group over other individuals or groups through violence,
the threat of violence, or a history of violence. Slavers are motivated
by a desire for sexual gratification, economic gain, or power and
domination, or a combination of these factors. We reference the
definition of slavery in the Convention on Slavery, Forced Labor, and
Similar Institutions and Practices: "Slavery is the status or condition
of a person over whom any or all of the powers attaching to the right
of ownership are exercised." All of the practices addressed by the
Coalition emerge from the historical reality of the chattel status of
women and children and represent an attempt to revive and maintain it.
Moreover, as Professor Bales pointed out, unlike traditional forms of
slave ownership in which the person enslaved was regarded as a capital
investment, to be maintained and guarded over a long period of time,
contemporary forms of slavery often reflect a valuation of the enslaved
as a temporary, disposable commodity, to be consumed and discarded.
For example, prostitution, in the vast majority of cases, represents
the ownership of women and children by pimps, brothel owners, and
sometimes even customers for the purpose of financial gain, sexual
gratification, and/or power and domination. Of those women who appear
to work in prostitution voluntarily, many if not most endured
situations of enslavement as children, in thrall to sexually abusive
adults, or as adolescents or young women subjected to the violent
subjugation of abusive husbands or boyfriends. That subjugation is
continued in prostitution, whether over the long term by the pimp, who
controls her every movement and confiscates her earnings, or, for a
shorter duration by the customer, who buys her body for a night or week
and requires total compliance with his sexual demands. Female genital
mutilation, though not a form of slavery in itself, is closely tied to
slavery-like practices: it is a method by which a male dominated
society ensures the subordination of women and girls to their fathers
and husbands; it is a strategy to destroy a woman's experience of her
sexuality and thus the ownership of her body.
The Coalition urges the Working Group on Contemporary Forms of Slavery
to encourage research and study on the way these different practices
work together, albeit differently in different cultures, to perpetuate
the chattel status of women and children. The Coalition also urges the
Working Group to continue to address slavery and slavery-like practices
that affect primarily women and children. The Coalition notes that the
practices of slavery affecting these groups may be characterized by
different forms, dynamics, and motivations from the practices of
slavery directly primarily against men for purposes of forced labor.
Any definition of slavery that excludes those practices directed
against women and children is overly narrow and is a product of gender
bias.
The subject of my remarks concerns the context into which we place and
understand the trafficking of women and girls for the purposes of
sexual exploitation. Over the last five years, many organizations have
addressed the issue of trafficking in women but ignored its
relationship to other practices of sexual violence and exploitation,
specifically sex tourism, military prostitution, sexual exploitation on
the internet, and organized prostitution. Similar distinctions have
been made between adult and child sexual exploitation and between so-
called forced and so-called voluntary prostitution. Although there are
many motivations for making these distinctions, the cumulative effect
is organizing efforts and analyses that address only the most severe
and obvious abuses while ignoring the institutionalized sexual
exploitation and abuse that is the economic foundation of the sex
industry. Although these distinctions are sometimes made in the name of
the victim, in fact they serve to protect the industry and its
customers at the expense of the victim.
The first distinction that is made is that between sex trafficking and
other practices of sexual exploitation, most notably organized
prostitution. This is a distinction that the drafters of the 1949
Convention considered and rejected, uniting in both title and text the
trafficking in persons with the exploitation of the prostitution of
others. The connections between trafficking and organized prostitution,
evident in 1949, are even more pronounced in the global sex industry of
1998. The fact is that organized prostitution is the economic and
structural foundation of sex trafficking. Although it is not often
recognized, many of the women and girls who are trafficked start out
being prostituted to local men by local pimps and brothel owners. Often
when they are deported back to their countries of origin, they are
prostituted again, locally. Coalition representatives have met with
many such women during site visits to the Philippines and Thailand. The
survivor of sex trafficking who testified before the United Nations
General Assembly in 1996 started out in child prostitution in Puerto
Rico before being trafficked through Honduras, only to end up back in
prostitution in the United States. Sex tourism, a form of prostitution
controlled by local or global economic interests, is often the
launching pad for sex trafficking, but is not considered such as it
involves sexual exploitation of local women in their country of origin.
The fact is that sex trafficking and organized prostitution are
inextricably connected and share fundamental characteristics. The
victims who are targeted are the same--poor, minority, or so-called
Third World women and children, frequently with histories of physical
and sexual abuse. The customers are the same-- men with disposable
income who achieve sexual gratification by purchasing and invading the
body of a woman or child. The dynamics of power and control employed by
the sex industry profiteers are the same, whether they take the form of
violence and threats of violence, debt bondage, torture, imprisonment,
and/or brainwashing. The harm to the victims is the same--trauma,
sexually transmitted diseases, drug and alcohol addiction, the physical
toll of repeated beatings by customers and pimps, the psychological and
physical toll of repeated and unwanted sex, and the destruction of the
sense of self, identity, and sexuality. The harm to society is the same-
-the reification of sex- and race-based hierarchies. Whether they
purchase women who are trafficked or those who are otherwise
prostituted, sex industry consumers move from the brothel into the
world, that experience coloring their relations to women and girls in
the rest society. Some American men stationed in South East Asia during
the Vietnam War have talked about how their immersion in military
prostitution profoundly damaged their ability to relate to women and
girls back home. A few former sex industry consumers, who have become
leaders in the movement against sexual exploitation, have discussed
similar effects of participating as customers of the sex trade.
Certainly, the injuries to their sense of self and sexuality are mild
compared to those of the young women who are reduced to sexual
merchandise by the industry. Nevertheless, we must acknowledge that the
sex industry also harms men, impairing their ability to experience
sexual relations that are premised on mutual respect and equality.
The second distinction that is frequently made, to the detriment of
victims and the benefit of the sex industry, is that between the sexual
exploitation of children and of adults. The problem with this position
is that by failing to criticize the sexual exploitation of adults, it
legitimizes it. For example, to decry the prostitution of a fifteen
year old girl but to fail to speak out against the prostitution of her
seventeen year old sister is to tacitly sanction the sexual
exploitation of the older girl. Many organizations have organized to
end the sexual exploitation of children, a laudable goal, but have
failed to see that the sexual exploitation of children is inextricably
connected to that of adults. Studies show that in the West, at least 70
percent of the adults exploited by the sex industry were sexually
abused as children. They also show that the average age of entry into
prostitution is 16 or younger. It is clear that the sexually exploited
children of today are the prostituted adults of tomorrow, and, as the
French abolitionist organization, Le Nid, declares, "In every whore,
there is a little girl murdered. "Although some sex industry consumers
are fixated on sex with young children, many sexually exploit young
girls and young women interchangeably. We will not be able to end the
sexual exploitation of children until we take a stand and develop
strategies against sexual exploitation of all human beings.
The third and most problematic distinction that has recently emerged is
that between so called forced and so called voluntary prostitution. By
limiting the pool of people who can be identified as victims while
simultaneously protecting large segments of the sex industry, this is
the best gift that pimps and traffickers could have received. This
distinction creates a vision of prostitution that is freely chosen; a
vision that can be maintained only by ignoring all of the social
conditions that force women and girls into conditions of sexual
exploitation. The proponents of this distinction are sending the
following message: "Don't pay attention to the poverty, the familial
pressure, the incest she survived, the battering by her boyfriend, the
lack of employment options available to her. Just ask whether there is
a gun pointed at her head or whether she is being overtly deceived. No
gun, no deceit; then no problem; not only is she voluntarily in the sex
industry, she is a 'sex worker.'" Under this analysis, the pimp who
recruited her, the brothel owner who reaps profits by selling her to
sex tourists, and the trafficker who sends her abroad are rehabilitated
as so-called "third-party managers."
What are the consequences of conceptualizing prostitution as free or
forced, and the legitimization of prostitution as "sex work" that
inevitably follows? There are many. First, governments, especially
those of poor countries, realize that they can reduce their
unemployment rate and increase their gross national product by moving
unemployed women and girls into organized prostitution. This is most
likely to happen in countries with strong internal sex industries
fueled by the profits of sex tourists. In Belize, for example, the
government touts prostitution as work for poor women. Not only does it
feel no shame at doing so, but proudly reports on this approach in its
1996 report to CEDAW, stating, "Recognized prostitution in Belize is a
gender-specific form of migrant labor that serves the same economic
function for women as agricultural work offers to men and often for
better pay." When governments recognizes prostitution as sex work for
poor women, organized prostitution, sex tourism and sex trafficking
increase.
Second, when prostitution is accepted by a society as sex work, it
becomes even more difficult for poor women and girls, socialized into
an ethos of self-sacrifice, to resist economic and familial pressures
to enter prostitution. As the numbers of prostituted women and girls
expand, growing numbers become infected with HIV and die of AIDS while
a smaller but still significant percentage are murdered by pimps or
customers. Those women fortunate enough to survive sexual exploitation
emerge, usually in their 30's, when they are no longer marketable
commodities, with no job skills, traumatized from years of enduring
unwanted sex and violence, and physically debilitated from sexually
transmitted diseases and the substance abuse necessary to endure the
sex of prostitution. What is available to these women? Destitution or a
career as a madam or mama san, helping the pimps control the younger
women who are marketable commodities.
Third, when prostitution is recognized as "sex work," legalization
follows; pimps, sex industry cartels, and sex businesses openly
flourish, regulated only by the demands of the marketplace. Fourth,
when prostitution is legitimized as sex work, men and boys are sent the
message that purchasing the body of a woman or girl for sex is no
different from buying a pack of cigarettes. With no social stigma
attached to buying prostitutes, the demand for prostitution escalates.
At the same time, women and girls internalize the message that the
female body is a marketable commodity. Girls begin to see prostitution
as a career option, unaware that sex work is a trap that will deprive
them of control over their lives..Fifth, when prostitution is
legitimized as sex work, the values and dynamics of prostitution spill
over into other areas of society, influencing the valuation and
treatment of women and girls and lowering their status.
Some have argued that since criminal sanctions have clearly not slowed
the growth of the sex industry or lessened the exploitation of victims,
the only recourse is to recognize prostitution as sex work and legalize
the sex industry. Criminal sanctions have not worked it is true, but
that is because in most instances they have been directed against the
victims. Few countries invest law enforcement resources in the
investigation and prosecution of sex industry profiteers and fewer
still address criminal sanctions against the customers, who fuel the
demand side of the industry. And while some countries have conducted
effective and well funded campaigns against domestic violence and rape,
building networks of shelters for victims and offering counseling and
legal services, women and girls in conditions of sexual exploitation
have been deprived of the support systems and advocacy provided other
victims of male violence.
To begin to address the enslavement of women and girls by local and
global sex industries, we must take the following steps:
Recognize that sex trafficking, sex tourism, military prostitution,
sexual exploitation on the internet, and organized prostitution are
interrelated practices of gender-based domination and control that
constitute contemporary forms of slavery.
Commission a preparatory group to address the need for an optional
protocol to strengthen the application of the 1949 Convention and
explore the need for a new Convention Against All Forms of Sexual
Exploitation.
Call for local, national, regional, and international law enforcement
strategies that depenalize the victims of sexual exploitation while
penalizing sex industry profiteers and customers.
Urge countries to expand and develop shelters and counseling services,
medical care providers, and legal services for all victims of male
violence against women, including sex industry victims and survivors.
Author
Dorchen A. Leidholdt is the Director of the Center for Battered Women's
Legal Services at Sanctuary for Families in New York City, USA. The
Center provides legal representation to battered women in family law,
criminal, and immigration matters and advocates for policy and
legislative changes that further the rights of battered women. Ms.
Leidholdt also serves as Co-Executive Director of the Coalition Against
Trafficking in Women. She has been an activist and leader in the
feminist movement against violence against women for over twenty years,
counseling and advocating for rape victims, organizing against
pornography, serving on the legal team for the plaintiff in a precedent-
setting sexual harassment case, and representing hundreds of victims
of domestic violence and prostitution. Ms. Leidholdt teaches law as an
adjunct professor at City University of New York School of Law and
Columbia Law School. Ms. Leidholdt holds a law degree from New York
University School of Law, where she was a Root-Tilden Scholar.
Published by
The Coalition Against Trafficking in Women, February 1999
Donna M. Hughes and Claire M. Roche, Editors
ISBN 0-9670857-0-50
Donna M. Hughes, dhu...@uri.edu
http://www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes
http://www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes/catw/mhvslave.htm
Chive Mynde
OcTavO <octa...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Many of the prostitutes working in
> Amsterdam for instance are there of their own accord because they
know
> two things. 1) they can make more money there in a month then most
> people will make in a year and 2) they are far safer in the legalized
> sex industry of holland than they are in the illegal system of other
> western European countries where they face persecution from their
pimps,
> their cliental and the police alike.
Please post the clinical, medical, and/or criminal and legal evidence
that substantiates your claims.
> I believe that legalizing prostitution would eventually lead to a
system
> wherein the safety of those women who choose WILLINGLY to enter the
as a
> career choice could be reinforced.
Please post the clinical, medical, and/or criminal and legal evidence
that substantiates your claims.
Put up or shut up.
- Chive
Daniel B. Holzman
Chive Mynde <ooochiveo...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
>> The fact remains: the illegality of prostitution serves to keep prostitutes
>> trapped, and in supporting the illegality of prostitution, you support a
>> system in which prostitutes are trapped.
>
>That is not a fact but a distorition of the facts.
It is a fact. Lisa B. wrote about it in so many words. No matter how
much you would like to avoid facing the reality, the fact that Lisa B.
was a prostitute was what kept her from having that bed in that
battered women's shelter. If you don't believe that, then you're calling
Lisa B. a liar.
>The Johns who seek out prostitution should be arrested. In that
>manner, prostitution can be targeted by criminalizing those who would
>expoit women and not the women themselves.
I don't know where you live, but here in Chicago Johns are targeted for
arrest, just as are prostitutes. If you don't want to target the women
for arrest, then you have to make it legal for them to be prostitutes.
As long as it is illegal to be a prostitute, police will target them for
arrest and they will by trapped by their criminal status.
Whether or not we should keep being a John criminal if we decriminize
prostitution is a different question. If you want to make the case for
Johns whose only crime is soliciting a prostitute remaining criminized,
I'll be happy to evaluate your case; but I'll note up front that rape,
assault, battery, murder, and sex with minors are all illegal independant
of whether or not the woman is a prostitute.
>YOU support prostitution and YOU support keeping women trapped in it.
I support women making their own choices. I oppose people committing
the crimes against women that keep them in prostitution against their
will. Unsurprisingly, you didn't see fit to note the places in my post
where I noted that.
>I, OTOH, do not.
Yes, you do, whether you want to cop to it or not.
>The clinical, medical, and sociological evidence demonstrates how
>prostitution harms women and children around the world.
Actually, the data you presented demonstrates how the current industry of
prostitution harms men, women, and children around the world. I'm not
sure why you keep forgetting that lots prostitutes are men. That
industry rests on the criminalized status of the prostitute, whether you
want to cop to it or not.
--
William Edward Woody
> In article <8skoss$2r4$1...@gail.ripco.com>,
> > The fact remains: the illegality of prostitution serves to keep
> > prostitutes trapped, and in supporting the illegality of prostitution,
> > you support a system in which prostitutes are trapped.
>
> That is not a fact but a distorition of the facts.
>
> manner, prostitution can be targeted by criminalizing those who would
> expoit women and not the women themselves.
The problem--and the point which you appear to be missing--is that in a
criminal proceeding someone who engages in criminal activity no longer
enjoys the same degree of protection of the courts afforded someone who
is not a criminal.
This is the legal theory, by the way, which permitted California Indians
to be mistreated all the way up until nearly the 1960's--because as
non-citizens or "squatters", California Indians did not enjoy the same
level of protection as whites because they (well, we) were considered
criminals, and thus as criminals do not enjoy the protection of the
courts.
This is the "clean hands" legal theory--that one can only approach the
courts with "clean hands" if one wants the court's intervention, and is
fundamental to United States common law. Similar legal principles are
applied throughout most of the world.
There are in fact laws which prohibit mistreatment of women. However,
these laws cannot be equally applied to prostitutes, because by the very
fact that they are prostitutes, they do not have the clean hands
necessary to obtain the protection of the courts, and the protection of
our legal system.
> I am against legalizing and legitimizing prostitution based on this
> evidence.
By not legalizing prostitution, our society effectively leaves
prostitutes in a position where they are unable to receive help from the
courts and from various agencies in the United States, because the very
fact that they are prostitutes leaves them with legally unclean hands.
This makes them inelegable for the very assistance that most of them
need.
Now if we could create a "clean hands exception" for prostitutes,
whereby prostitutes are no longer inelegable for legal protection due to
their criminal activities (as prostitutes), then perhaps we can aleviate
both your objections to prostitution and Mr. Holzman's well-argued point
about prostitutes being unable to seek assistance to get themselves out
of the legal hole they are currently in.
--
- William Woody wo...@alumni.caltech.edu
The PandaWave http://www.pandawave.com
In Phase Consulting http://www.pandawave.com/inphase
William Edward Woody
> OcTavO <octa...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > I believe that legalizing prostitution would eventually lead to a
> system
> > wherein the safety of those women who choose WILLINGLY to enter the
> as a
> > career choice could be reinforced.
>
> Please post the clinical, medical, and/or criminal and legal evidence
> that substantiates your claims.
You mean you want OcTavO to provide clinical evidence as to what he
<<believes?>> Personally, I'm willing to take OcTavO's word.
Daniel B. Holzman
Chive Mynde <ooochiveo...@my-deja.com> wrote:
_Whores and Other Feminists_, which I have cited elsewhere in this forum,
provides a wealth of resource material for further study. I highly
recommend that anyone wanting to have an intelligent discussion of
prostitution read this book .
Also available online is
http://users.uniserve.com/~lowman/violence/title.htm, "Violence Against
Persons Who Prostitute: The Experience in British Columbia John Lowman
and Laura Fraser Department of Justice Canada TR1996-14e 1995 Research,
Statistics and Evaluation Directorate Policy Sector," which includes an
extensive discussion of how the illegal or even only quasi-legal status
of prostitutes promotes violence against them.
http://www.bayswan.org/penet.html has far more information than can be
encapsulated here. Check it out.
To read what Prostitutes have to say themselves, see The Whore Activist
Network (http://www.whoreact.net/), and related Webring
(http://nav.webring.yahoo.com/hub?ring=prostright&list)
Prostitution, Feminism and Critical Praxis:profession prostitute?
Dr Maggie O'Neill in The Austrian Journal of Sociology, special edition
on Work and Society, edited by Johanna Hofbauer and Jorg Flecker,
winter 1996.
(http://www.staffs.ac.uk/schools/humanities_and_soc_sciences/sociology/level3/prost3.htm)
Reference: SULLIVAN, B. (1995) "Rethinking Prostitution" in CAINE, B. &
PRINGLE, R. (eds.) (1995) Transitions: New Australian
Feminisms. Allen & Unwin: Sydney. pp.184-197.
(http://www.infoxchange.net.au/wise/HEALTH/Pros2.htm)
If you want more, try going to Yahoo and doing a search on
"prostitution." The above are only some of the links that will come up.
Of course, we all know that Chyve won't bother reading any of this -- his
mind is made up and it's well established by now that he only wants to
see data that supports him... the same epistimology used by Creation
Researchers, as it happens.
--
Chive Mynde
> Chive Mynde <ooochiveo...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> >
> >> The fact remains: the illegality of prostitution serves to keep
prostitutes
> >> trapped, and in supporting the illegality of prostitution, you
support a
> >> system in which prostitutes are trapped.
> >
> >That is not a fact but a distorition of the facts.
>
By now I am fairly sure that you don't understand the definition of the
word "fact".
This, is a fact.
Chive Mynde
William Edward Woody <wo...@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
> Chive Mynde <ooochiveo...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > OcTavO <octa...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > > I believe that legalizing prostitution would eventually lead to a
> > system
> > > wherein the safety of those women who choose WILLINGLY to enter
the
> > as a
> > > career choice could be reinforced.
> >
> > Please post the clinical, medical, and/or criminal and legal
evidence
> > that substantiates your claims.
>
> You mean you want OcTavO to provide clinical evidence as to what he
> <<believes?>>
I want OcTavO to substantiate his claims with evidence.
> Personally, I'm willing to take OcTavO's word.
And that is why you are a pseudoscientist.
- Chive
Lisa
> assert that prostitution is a valid career choice; should even be
> legalized, or, at the very least, should not have such stigma attached
> to it. I read some of their work for this article, and I've chosen not
> to focus on them.
The quoted statement alone invalidates everything she says.
The world is flat! What? Research suggests otherwise? Nah, I'll choose not
to focus on the research.
Chive Mynde
William Edward Woody <wo...@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
[bs and red herrings snipped]
> > I am against legalizing and legitimizing prostitution based on this
> > evidence.
>
> By not legalizing prostitution, our society effectively leaves
> prostitutes in a position where they are unable to receive help from
the
> courts and from various agencies in the United States, because the
very
> fact that they are prostitutes leaves them with legally unclean
hands.
> This makes them inelegable for the very assistance that most of them
> need.
Bullshit.
- Chive
Chive Mynde
"Lisa" <nospa...@theinnersource.com> wrote:
> "Chive Mynde" <ooochiveo...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> news:8sjjun$94u$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > There are many prostitutes, current and former, who
> > assert that prostitution is a valid career choice; should even be
> > legalized, or, at the very least, should not have such stigma
attached
> > to it. I read some of their work for this article, and I've chosen
not
> > to focus on them.
>
> The quoted statement alone invalidates everything she says.
Actually, the complete opposite is true. The quoted statement
demonstrates the intellectaul honesty and integrity of the researcher.
Clearly, she is honest about her research while you are not.
Lisa
> In article <mEoH5.23$bx1...@newsfeed.slurp.net>,
> > > There are many prostitutes, current and former, who
> > > assert that prostitution is a valid career choice; should even be
> > > legalized, or, at the very least, should not have such stigma
> attached
> > > to it. I read some of their work for this article, and I've chosen
> not
> > > to focus on them.
> >
> > The quoted statement alone invalidates everything she says.
>
> Actually, the complete opposite is true. The quoted statement
> demonstrates the intellectaul honesty and integrity of the researcher.
>
> Clearly, she is honest about her research while you are not.
>
> - Chive
Oh. You're one of those. Sorry, I thought we were having an adult
conversation. Never mind.
William Edward Woody
<ooochiveo...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> In article <woody-3FA43A....@news.pacbell.net>,
> William Edward Woody <wo...@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
> > Chive Mynde <ooochiveo...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> >
> > > OcTavO <octa...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > > > I believe that legalizing prostitution would eventually lead to a
> > > system
> > > > wherein the safety of those women who choose WILLINGLY to enter
> the
> > > as a
> > > > career choice could be reinforced.
> > >
> > > Please post the clinical, medical, and/or criminal and legal
> evidence
> > > that substantiates your claims.
> >
> > You mean you want OcTavO to provide clinical evidence as to what he
> > <<believes?>>
>
> I want OcTavO to substantiate his claims with evidence.
You're not reading. You're responding with your gut without thinking.
Go reread what was said: OcTavO said "I believe X", which requires
little more "evidence" than OcTavO's word.
If he believes bullshit is irrelevant--it's the sorry fact that you're
replying to people without taking two seconds to read what they post
first.
- Bill Woody
William Edward Woody
<ooochiveo...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> In article <woody-7B13A0....@news.pacbell.net>,
> William Edward Woody <wo...@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
>
> [bs and red herrings snipped]
>
> > > I am against legalizing and legitimizing prostitution based on this
> > > evidence.
> >
> > By not legalizing prostitution, our society effectively leaves
> > prostitutes in a position where they are unable to receive help from
> the
> > courts and from various agencies in the United States, because the
> very
> > fact that they are prostitutes leaves them with legally unclean
> hands.
> > This makes them inelegable for the very assistance that most of them
> > need.
>
>
> Bullshit.
Gazoontite.
However, you apparently deleted everything I said which backed the above
paragraph, apparently by accident--as obviously a fool and a jackass
would claim "bullshit" without at least commenting coherently on what
was said.
- Bill Woody
William Edward Woody
> In article <8sl3qn$99b$1...@gail.ripco.com>,
> hol...@ripco.com (Daniel B. Holzman) wrote:
> > In article <8skqgo$952$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> > Chive Mynde <ooochiveo...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> The fact remains: the illegality of prostitution serves to keep
> prostitutes
> > >> trapped, and in supporting the illegality of prostitution, you
> support a
> > >> system in which prostitutes are trapped.
> > >
> > >That is not a fact but a distorition of the facts.
> >
> > It is a fact.
>
> By now I am fairly sure that you don't understand the definition of the
> word "fact".
>
> This, is a fact.
Then Lisa B. is in fact a liar, as Mr. Holzman simply echoed her words.
Which begs the question why did you waste our time posting an essay from
someone you seem to admit is a liar?
William Edward Woody
> Actually, the complete opposite is true. The quoted statement
> demonstrates the intellectaul honesty and integrity of the researcher.
I'm not sure how throwing out data makes one intellectually honest, but
the same thing has been applied through the years to prove all sorts of
things from the racial superiority of the Nazis and the racial
inferiority of Blacks to the supremecy of Creationist Science.
Needless to say, such intellectual "honesty" is something to be abhored,
not celebrated.
True
Chive Mynde wrote in message
<snip other ppl's opinions>
Can you voice your opinion rather than someone else's?
darkness, laughter and light,
True
Jaqueline
> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 06:46:27 -0400
> From: N0Nthing <n0nt...@bellsouth.net>
> Newsgroups: sci.skeptic, alt.religion.wicca, alt.traditional.witchcraft
> Subject: Re: Arguments Against Legalizing Prostitution
>
> Now now, only today I made 3000 dollars on the street. My pimp said it was a
> good day for me. He also said that if you don't stop preaching against
> prostitution he's going to come over and shiff your ass.
>
> Vanora
Only 3,000 dollars??? Vanora girl. You need better, Clientele.
My retainer fee alone is, 50K.
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If the D.E.A. is looking for Jaqueline, she can be found in her living
room sucking on her Medicine Pipe. Sleep for a little while... Fear
nothing.
Chive Mynde
> <ooochiveo...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <woody-3FA43A....@news.pacbell.net>,
> > >
> > > > OcTavO <octa...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > > > > I believe that legalizing prostitution would eventually lead
to a
> > > > system
> > > > > wherein the safety of those women who choose WILLINGLY to
enter
> > the
> > > > as a
> > > > > career choice could be reinforced.
> > > >
> > > > Please post the clinical, medical, and/or criminal and legal
> > evidence
> > > > that substantiates your claims.
> > >
> > > You mean you want OcTavO to provide clinical evidence as to what
he
> > > <<believes?>>
> >
> > I want OcTavO to substantiate his claims with evidence.
>
> You're not reading.
No, you're not comprehending the argument.
> You're responding with your gut without thinking.
No, you're just constructing another fallacious "Woody" strawman. It's
your specialty.
> Go reread what was said: OcTavO said "I believe X", which requires
> little more "evidence" than OcTavO's word.
Sorry, but in the real world, beliefs are based on evidence and
arguments.
I have asked OcTavO to substantiate his beliefs.
That is a valid request. Of course, OcTavO won't be able to do it,
because like you, you are both making up "facts" as you go along.
Chive Mynde
> <ooochiveo...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <woody-7B13A0....@news.pacbell.net>,
> >
> > > > I am against legalizing and legitimizing prostitution based on
this
> > > > evidence.
> > >
> > > By not legalizing prostitution, our society effectively leaves
> > > prostitutes in a position where they are unable to receive help
from
> > the
> > > courts and from various agencies in the United States, because the
> > very
> > > fact that they are prostitutes leaves them with legally unclean
> > hands.
> > > This makes them inelegable for the very assistance that most of
them
> > > need.
> >
> >
> > Bullshit.
>
> Gazoontite.
>
> However, you apparently deleted everything I said which backed the
above
> paragraph,
Bullshit, again.
You've been caught lying so many times, its pathetic.
Chive Mynde
"Lisa" <nospa...@theinnersource.com> wrote:
> "Chive Mynde" <ooochiveo...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> news:8sl6q3$k6t$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > In article <mEoH5.23$bx1...@newsfeed.slurp.net>,
> > > > There are many prostitutes, current and former, who
> > > > assert that prostitution is a valid career choice; should even
be
> > > > legalized, or, at the very least, should not have such stigma
> > attached
> > > > to it. I read some of their work for this article, and I've
chosen
> > not
> > > > to focus on them.
> > >
> > > The quoted statement alone invalidates everything she says.
> >
> > demonstrates the intellectaul honesty and integrity of the
researcher.
> >
> >
> > - Chive
>
> Oh. You're one of those.
Yes, I am one of those who is honest.
It must come as quite a shock to you.
Chive Mynde
William Edward Woody <wo...@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
> Chive Mynde <ooochiveo...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > Actually, the complete opposite is true. The quoted statement
> > demonstrates the intellectaul honesty and integrity of the
researcher.
>
More fallacies from the Woodster.
The researcher in question didn't throw any data out. She specifically
stated that she was not discussing certain data, and she made a point
of mentioning that so as to focus on other datasets.
By pointint this out, this researcher ws more honest and demonstrated
more integrity than you will ever be able to demonstrate in all your
fallacious strawmen and deliberate distortions combined.
Chive Mynde
"True" <trut...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Chive Mynde wrote in message
>
> <snip other ppl's opinions>
>
> Can you voice your opinion rather than someone else's?
I have voiced my opinion. My opinion is based on documented and
substantiated evidence that demonstrates why prostitution should not be
legalized.
Apparently, you don't understand that a good opinion is based on good
evidence.
N0Nthing
room for advancement but I haven't experienced this yet. You think I should
start looking for a new pimp?
Vanora
http://personal.rdu.bellsouth.net/~n0nthing
Jaqueline <sky...@inwa.net> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.21.001018...@blueberry.inwa.net...
Jaqueline
> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 02:42:56 -0400
> From: N0Nthing <n0nt...@bellsouth.net>
> Newsgroups: sci.skeptic, alt.religion.wicca, alt.traditional.witchcraft
> Subject: Re: Arguments Against Legalizing Prostitution
>
> Well I'm pretty new at this. My pimp told me a year ago that there would be
> room for advancement but I haven't experienced this yet. You think I should
> start looking for a new pimp?
No, Vanora. No Pimp!
Take the Three-thousand dollars that you have earned. Buy yourself _one_
new dress with accessories. Fake diamonds are a must. You can buy real
diamonds later. Crash one of William Jefferson Clinton's parties. I do
this one every_ time that The President Of The United States is in
Seattle, WA. That Secret Service of his. What a bunch of, Dumb_ Asses!!!
*giggle* William knows that I am no threat to him. I just want to know
what his point of view is concerning, Medical Marijuana.
While you are waiting to speak to, William. He is a very busy man...
Socialize with the, Invited Guests.
It should not take you very long. You will be earning, Eight Digits.
True
Chive Mynde wrote in message
> I have voiced my opinion. My opinion is based on documented and
> substantiated evidence that demonstrates why prostitution should not be
> legalized.
>
> Apparently, you don't understand that a good opinion is based on good
> evidence.
Anyone can regurgitate information from other sources. I would like to hear
you write something with your own words.
An opinion is neither bad nor good...it is an opinion. This is not a
research class...it is a NG. Please use your own words when stating ~your~
opinion. I know what the scientific studies have to say, what do you have
to say?
If you are stating your opinion by using other ppl's words all the time then
I believe that is a cop out. Instead of cutting and pasting think a little
and write something yourself.
Daniel B. Holzman
Chive Mynde <ooochiveo...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>
>> It is a fact.
>
>By now I am fairly sure that you don't understand the definition of the
>word "fact".
>
>This, is a fact.
Actually, I understand both the dictionary definition and your personal
definition.
I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that someone with a personal
definition for the word "fiction" also has a personal definition for the
word "fact."
--
Daniel B. Holzman
Chive Mynde <ooochiveo...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>
>> By not legalizing prostitution, our society effectively leaves
>> courts and from various agencies in the United States, because the very
>> fact that they are prostitutes leaves them with legally unclean hands.
>> This makes them inelegable for the very assistance that most of them
>> need.
>
>Bullshit.
Read your own cited sources, Chive, then answer the following question:
Why was Lisa B. refused a bed in a battered women's shelter, when it was
perfectly clear that she was a battered woman?
--
Daniel B. Holzman
Chive Mynde <ooochiveo...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
>The researcher in question didn't throw any data out. She specifically
>stated that she was not discussing certain data, and she made a point
>of mentioning that so as to focus on other datasets.
When the data not being discussed is the data which invalidates the
researcher's premise, the researcher is being dishonest in not
considering it, whether she discloses that she's not considering it or
not.
--
William Edward Woody
> By pointint this out, this researcher ws more honest and demonstrated
> more integrity than you will ever be able to demonstrate in all your
> fallacious strawmen and deliberate distortions combined.
You know, if I made a strawman argument or a deliberate distortion, it
would be helpful if you would quote what I said and refute it, instead
of responding to a hundred line message with the one word response
"Bullshit."
To not do so, and later (out of apparently whole cloth) stating that I
was presenting strawmen arguments when at the time you never pointed
them out either tells me your memory is faulty (and being creatively
edited by your ego), or you're intellectually dishonest yourself.
*shrug*
Of course you'll delete the first paragraph of my response above, keep
the second (which requires the first to be in context), and then respond
"No, YOU'RE the intellectually dishonest one."
See, that's the problem with you, Chive: when pushed against the wall,
your rebuttles are way too predictable.
William Edward Woody
> > Go reread what was said: OcTavO said "I believe X", which requires
> > little more "evidence" than OcTavO's word.
>
> Sorry, but in the real world, beliefs are based on evidence and
> arguments.
Bullshit. Children throughout the world believe in Santa Claus; a
delightful little fiction which makes little children happier around
Christmas time.
> I have asked OcTavO to substantiate his beliefs.
>
> That is a valid request. Of course, OcTavO won't be able to do it,
> because like you, you are both making up "facts" as you go along.
But I have not made up a single fact at all--I've simply responded with
what you posted, pointing out your logical inconsistencies. Logical
inconsistencies, I will add, which you have completely failed to reply
to.
William Edward Woody
> You've been caught lying so many times, its pathetic.
What lies? Where have I lied? Please cite a specific example, or are you
going to commit the same fallacy you claim OcTavO has committed?
OcTavO
of them. Oh wait sorry, I forgot you can't leave your house because
you're afraid of the outside world.
OcT
In article <8skt0f$bjl$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, Chive Mynde
<ooochiveo...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> In article <octavo13-3688D0...@news.earthlink.net>,
> OcTavO <octa...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > Many of the prostitutes working in
> > Amsterdam for instance are there of their own accord because they
> know
> > two things. 1) they can make more money there in a month then most
> > people will make in a year and 2) they are far safer in the legalized
> > sex industry of holland than they are in the illegal system of other
> > western European countries where they face persecution from their
> pimps,
> > their cliental and the police alike.
>
>
> Please post the clinical, medical, and/or criminal and legal evidence
> that substantiates your claims.
>
>
> > I believe that legalizing prostitution would eventually lead to a
> system
> > wherein the safety of those women who choose WILLINGLY to enter the
> as a
> > career choice could be reinforced.
>
>
> Please post the clinical, medical, and/or criminal and legal evidence
> that substantiates your claims.
>
> Put up or shut up.
Chive Mynde
2. Prostitution is Rape - Katherine M. DePasquale
3. Incest is boot camp for prostitution - Katherine M. DePasquale
4. Survivors Speak Out - Lisa B.
5. Survivors Speak Out - Email: stor...@mindspring.com
6. Eradicate Prostitution: Arrest the Johns - Kelly Holsopple
7. Survivors Speak Out - site owner: jill leighton
8. Prostitution - A Modern Form of Slavery, Dorchen Leidholdt
9. Health Effects of Prostitution, Janice G. Raymond
Making the Harm Visible
Global Sexual Exploitation of Women and Girls
Speaking Out and Providing Services
Health Effects of Prostitution, Janice G. Raymond
Selected national and international studies, research projects and
various women’s programs have begun to address the health burden of
violence against women. Such projects have especially focused on the
health consequences to women of battering or domestic violence, rape
and sexual assault, child sexual abuse and incest, and female genital
mutilation (See, for example, World Bank Discussion Papers 255,
Violence Against Women: the Hidden Health Burden). In depicting the
health effects of such forms of violence against women, these projects
attempt to make the violence, harm and human rights violation to women
visible.
When violence against women is considered, prostitution is often
exempted from the category of violence against women. However, a
consideration of the dire health consequences of prostitution
demonstrates that prostitution not only gravely impairs women’s health
but firmly belongs in the category of violence against women.
The health consequences to women from prostitution are the same
injuries and infections suffered by women who are subjected to other
forms of violence against women. The physical health consequences
include: injury (bruises, broken bones, black eyes, concussions). A
1994 study conducted with 68 women in Minneapolis/St.Paul who had been
prostituted for at least six months found that half the women had been
physically assaulted by their purchasers, and a third of these
experienced purchaser assaults at least several times a year. 23% of
those assaulted were beaten severely enough to have suffered broken
bones. Two experienced violence so vicious that they were beaten into a
coma. Furthermore, 90% of the women in this study had experienced
violence in their personal relationships resulting in miscarriage,
stabbing, loss of consciousness, and head injuries (Parriott, Health
Experiences of Twin Cities Women Used in Prostitution).
The sex of prostitution is physically harmful to women in prostitution.
STDs (including HIV/AIDS, chlamydia, gonorrhea, herpes, human papilloma
virus, and syphilis) are alarmingly high among women in prostitution.
Only 15 % of the women in the Minneapolis/St. Paul study had never
contracted one of the STDs, not including AIDS, most injurious to
health (chlamydia, syphilis, gonorrheal, herpes). General gynecological
problems, but in particular chronic pelvic pain and pelvic inflammatory
disease (PID), plague women in prostitution.. The Minneapolis/St. Paul
study reported that 31% of the women interviewed had experienced at
least one episode of PID which accounts for most of the serious illness
associated with STD infection. Among these women, there was also a high
incidence of positive pap smears, several times greater than the
Minnesota Department of Health’s cervical cancer screening program for
low and middle income women. More STD episodes can increase the risk of
cervical cancer.
Another physical effect of prostitution is unwanted pregnancy and
miscarriage. Over two-thirds of the women in the Minneapolis/St. Paul
study had an average of three pregnancies during their time in
prostitution, which they attempted to bring to term. Other health
effects include irritable bowel syndrome, as well as partial and
permanent disability.
The emotional health consequences of prostitution include severe
trauma, stress, depression, anxiety, self-medication through alcohol
and drug abuse; and eating disorders. Almost all the women in the
Minneapolis/St. Paul study categorized themselves as chemically-
addicted. Crack cocaine and alcohol were used most frequently.
Ultimately, women in prostitution are also at special risk for self-
mutilation, suicide and homicide. 46% of the women in the
Minneapolis/St. Paul study had attempted suicide, and 19% had tried to
harm themselves physically in other ways.
More succinctly, women in prostitution suffer the same broken bones,
concussions, STDs, chronic pelvic pain, and extreme stress and trauma
that women who have been battered, raped and sexually abused endure. In
fact, the case can be made that women in prostitution -- because they
are subject to being battered, raped and sexually abused all at the
same time over an extensive period of time -- suffer these health
consequences more intensively and consistently. For example, in another
survey of 55 victims/survivors of prostitution who used the services of
the Council for Prostitution Alternative in Portland, Oregon, 78% were
victims of rape by pimps and male buyers an average of 49 times a year;
84% were the victims of aggravated assault and were thus horribly
beaten, often requiring emergency room attention and hospitalization;
53% were victims of sexual abuse and torture; and 27% were mutilated
(Documentation available from the Council for Prostitution
Alternatives).
In developing countries, it has also been estimated that "70 percent of
female infertility... is caused by sexually transmitted diseases that
can be traced back to their husbands or partners (Jodi L. Jacobson, The
Other Epidemic, p. 10). Among women in rural Africa, female infertility
is widespread from husbands or partners who migrate to urban areas, buy
commercial sex, and bring home infection and sexually transmitted
diseases. Women in prostitution industries have been blamed for this
epidemic of STDs when, in reality, studies confirm that it is men who
buy sex in the process of migration who carry the disease from one
prostituted woman to another and ultimately back to their wives and
girlfriends. In what becomes a vicious cycle, infertility leads to
divorce and, in some cases, the ex-wife who is cast aside herself turns
to prostitution to survive. "The movement of abandoned or
rejected ‘barren’ women to urban prostitution has been documented in
Niger, Uganda, and the Central African Republic. Numerous studies in
Africa and Asia by the World Bank and a number of international
research organizations have found that divorced or separated women
comprise the great majority of prostitutes or ‘semi’ prostitutes’
(Jacobson, p. 13)." Thus, a major health effect of the mass male
consumption of commercial sex and the expansion of sex industries in
developing countries, is not only a rampant increase in sexually
transmitted diseases but an exponential increase in infertility. The
further effects of this vicious cycle insure that a whole new segment
of women who are abandoned by their husbands due to infertility, are
propelled into prostitution for survival.
Anti-AIDS groups have largely focused on negotiating "safe sex" by
promoting condom usage. In both developing and industrialized country
contexts, current campaigns to control the spread of HIV/AIDS by
advocating "safe sex" for women in prostitution fail to address the
blatant inequities between women who are bought for sex and the men who
pay for it. Any AIDS strategy based on negotiating condom use between
the purchaser of sex and the woman who must supply it assumes a
symmetry of power that does not even exist between women and men in
many personal consensual relationships. If AIDS programs are serious
about eradicating AIDS, they must challenge the sex industry.
Women in prostitution are targeted as the problem instead of making the
sex industry problematic and challenging the mass male consumption of
women and children in commercial sex. This is institutionalized when
governments and NGOs argue for the medicalization of prostitution when
they propose laws on prostitution which subject women to periodic
medical check-ups. It is stated that women in the sex industry would be
better protected if they submitted, or were required to submit, to
health and especially STD screening. The way in which sex industries
are responsible for the widespread health problems of women and
children is mystified with proposals to implement health checks of
women in the industry. No proposals have been forthcoming, from those
who would propose both mandatory and voluntary medical surveillance for
women in the sex industry, to medically monitor the men who would
purchase sex.
On the other hand, proposals to medicalize female genital mutilation
have been soundly rejected by women’s groups. Women’s human rights
organizations have refuted arguments that girls and women undergoing
genital cutting would be better protected from its health risks and
physical trauma if it was performed in hospitals under trained medical
supervision. Although policies and programs that medicalize female
genital mutilation may reduce some injury and infection, women’s groups
have stressed that these policies and programs do not address or end
the abuse of women’s human rights represented by the very
institutionalization of this unnecessary and mutilating surgery in a
medical context.
The same is true with current attempts to medicalize prostitution. No
action will stabilize the sex industry more than legitimating
prostitution through the health care system. If medical personnel are
called upon to monitor women in prostitution, as part of "occupational
health safety," we will have no hope of eradicating the industry.
Furthermore, from a health perspective alone, it is inconceivable that
medicalization of women in the industry will reduce infection and
injury without concomitant medicalization of the male buyers. Thus
medicalization, which is rightly viewed as a consumer protection act
for men rather than as a real protection for women, ultimately protects
neither women nor men.
As with other forms of violence against women, eradicating the health
burden of prostitution entails addressing but going beyond its health
effects. To address the health consequences of prostitution, the
international human rights community must understand that prostitution
harms women and that in addition to needing health services, women must
be provided with the economic, social and psychological means to leave
prostitution. Until prostitution is accepted as violence against women
and a violation of women’s human rights, the health consequences of
prostitution cannot be addressed adequately. Conversely, until the
health burden of prostitution is made visible, the violence of
prostitution will remain hidden.
REFERENCES
Parriott, Ruth. Health Experiences of Twin Cities Women Used in
Prostitution: Survey Findings and Recommendations. Unpublished, May
1994. Available from Breaking Free, 1821 University Ave., Suite 312,
South, St. Paul, Minnesota 55104; also available from the Coalition
Against Trafficking in Women.
Hunter, Susan Kay quoting oral testimony collected by the Council for
Prostitution Alternatives. Prostitution is Cruelty and Abuse to Women
and Children." Feminist Broadcast Quarterly, Spring 1993. Available
from the Council for Prostitution Alternatives, 519 Southwest Park
Avenue, Suite 208, Portland, Oregon 97205; also available from the
Coalition Against Trafficking in Women.
Jacobson, Jodi L. "The Other Epidemic." World Watch. May-June 1992, pp.
10-17.
Author
Janice G. Raymond is Co-Executive Director of the Coalition Against
Trafficking in Women and Professor of Women's Studies and Medical
Ethics at the University of Massachusetts, USA. She is the author of
many books and articles including A Passion for Friends: A Philosophy
of Female Affection and Women as Wombs: Reproductive Technologies and
the Battle over Women's Freedom.
Published by
The Coalition Against Trafficking in Women, February 1999
Donna M. Hughes and Claire M. Roche, Editors
Donna M. Hughes, dhu...@uri.edu
http://www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes
http://www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes/catw/mhvhealt.htm
Chive Mynde
02. Prostitution is Rape - Katherine M. DePasquale
03. Incest is boot camp for prostitution - Katherine M. DePasquale
04. Survivors Speak Out - Lisa B.
05. Survivors Speak Out - Email: stor...@mindspring.com
06. Eradicate Prostitution: Arrest the Johns - Kelly Holsopple
07. Survivors Speak Out - site owner: jill leighton
08. Prostitution - A Modern Form of Slavery, Dorchen Leidholdt
09. Health Effects of Prostitution, Janice G. Raymond
10. Legalizing Prostitution Will Not Stop the Harm, Donna M. Hughes
Making the Harm Visible
Global Sexual Exploitation of Women and Girls
Speaking Out and Providing Services
Legalizing Prostitution Will Not Stop the Harm, Donna M. Hughes
Prostitution is consuming thousands of girls and women and reaping
enormous profits for organized crime in post-communist countries. In
addition, each year, several hundred thousand women are trafficked from
Eastern European countries for prostitution in sex industry centers all
over the world. The practices are extremely oppressive and incompatible
with universal standards of human rights. The sex trade is a form of
contemporary slavery and all indications predict its growth and
expansion into the 21st century.
Approximately three-fourths of the women who are recruited and
trafficked are unaware that they are destined for strip clubs,
brothels, or the street, where they are sold to eager male buyers. Most
of the women are seeking to escape poverty, violence and lack of
opportunities, but once they are under control of pimps or traffickers,
they are "seasoned" into prostitution by physical and sexual violence
and economic coercion. With no recourse, the women submit in the hope
of eventually earning enough money to buy their way out of debt bondage
or finding a way to escape. Women's compliance to multiple unwanted
sexual acts results in trauma to the mind and body. Survivors of
prostitution often report that each act of prostitution felt like a
rape. In order to endure the multiple invasions of the body women use
drugs and alcohol to numb the assaults to their dignity and bodily
integrity. Eventually, the woman's physical and emotional health is
destroyed.
Above all, state bodies and non-governmental organizations should
understand that prostitution is a demand market created by men who buy
and sell women's sexuality for their own profit and pleasure. Legal
reforms should therefore create remedies that assist victims and
prosecute perpetrators.
Most existing laws concerning prostitution were formulated on the
assumption that prostitution is immoral activity, with women being the
most immoral participants. Therefore, laws that ban prostitution
usually criminalize the women. By listening to women's experiences of
prostitution and moving beyond moralistic analyses, women's rights
groups have defined prostitution to be sexual exploitation and a form
of violence against women. All legal reforms should be based on this
understanding. Therefore, states should decriminalize prostitution for
women-that is, stop punishing women for being prostituted. Considering
the documented harm to women who are trafficked and prostituted, it is
only logical that women should not be criminalized for being the victim
of those abuses. Decriminalization also means that women will not fear
arrest if they seek assistance and may be more likely to testify
against pimps and traffickers.
But there absolutely should be no decriminalization for pimps,
traffickers, brothel owners, or the men who buy women in prostitution.
All legal reforms should aim to stop these perpetrators and profiteers.
Prostitution should not be legalized. Legalization means that the state
imposes regulations under which women can be prostituted. In effect,
regulation means that under certain conditions it is permissible to
exploit and abuse women. In several Eastern European states "tolerance
zones" are being considered; in other states there are proposals for
legalization. Most arguments in favor of legalization are based on
trying to distinguish between "free" and "forced" prostitution and
trafficking. Considering the extreme conditions of exploitation in the
sex industry, those distinctions are nothing but abstractions that make
for good academic debates. They are, however, meaningless to women
under the control of pimps or traffickers. Certainly, the sex industry
doesn't differentiate between "free" and "forced," and my research
reveals that men who buy women and children in prostitution don't
differentiate either. Legalization and regulation aim to redefine
prostitution as a form of work, indicated by the use of the term "sex
work." The renaming may clean up the image of prostitution, but it
doesn't end the violence and exploitation. It only allows criminals and
members of organized crime rings to become legitimate businessmen and
work hand-in-hand with the state in marketing women's bodies. In the
Netherlands, where two-thirds of the women in prostitution are
immigrants and one-half of them are trafficked illegal immigrants,
legalization has, in fact, increased prostitution and trafficking.
Prostitution is an extreme form of gender discrimination. Legalization
of this violence to women restricts women's freedom and citizenship
rights. If women are allowed to become a legitimate commodity, they are
consigned to a second-class citizenship. Democracy is subverted.
Women's bodies and emotions must belong to them alone. They must not be
traded or sold. The sex industry targets and consumes young women,
usually under age 25, often girls in their teens. If a state permits
prostitution to flourish, a certain portion of each generation of young
women will be lost. Prostitution causes extreme harm to the body and
the mind. Women who survive the beatings, rapes, sexually transmitted
diseases, drugs, alcohol, and emotional abuse, emerge from prostitution
ill, traumatized, and often, as poor as when they entered.
The enormity of the sex trade throughout the world is overwhelming, but
the only way to proceed is to acknowledge the violence and exploitation
for what it is and create remedies accordingly. Legalization will only
benefit traffickers and pimps and compromise individual women and the
status of women in the long run. In the words of one survivor of
prostitution: "Legalization will not end abuse; it will make abuse
legal."
Author
Donna M. Hughes has been an activist in the feminist anti-sexual
violence and exploitation movement since the early-1980s. She holds the
Eleanor M. and Oscar M. Carlson Endowed Chair in Women's Studies, and
is the Director of Women's Studies at the University of Rhode Island,
USA.
Published by
The Coalition Against Trafficking in Women, February 1999
Donna M. Hughes and Claire M. Roche, Editors
Donna M. Hughes, dhu...@uri.edu
http://www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes
http://www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes/catw/mhvlegal.htm
Chive Mynde
02. Prostitution is Rape - Katherine M. DePasquale
03. Incest is boot camp for prostitution - Katherine M. DePasquale
04. Survivors Speak Out - Lisa B.
05. Survivors Speak Out - Email: stor...@mindspring.com
06. Eradicate Prostitution: Arrest the Johns - Kelly Holsopple
07. Survivors Speak Out - site owner: jill leighton
08. Prostitution - A Modern Form of Slavery, Dorchen Leidholdt
09. Health Effects of Prostitution, Janice G. Raymond
10. Legalizing Prostitution Will Not Stop the Harm, Donna M. Hughes
11. Trafficking of Children in Cambodia, Vietnam, and Cuba
August 22, 2000: an official of World Vision International accused a
number of officials of the Cambodia government to be actively
engaging in organizing, promoting and profiting from child prostitution
to international tourists. Mr. Laurence Gray disclosed that a survey
conducted in conjunction with Cambodia’s Tourism Ministry had found
about 75% of prostitutes to be under 18 years old. The investigation
by World Vision International discovered that many efforts by
independent charity organizations to stamp out child prostitution were
obstructed by officials at various levels of the government.
Independent surveys by US NGO officials working in conjunction with
the UN also found Vietnam to have an alarming growth of the trafficking
of children into the prostitution trade in Vietnam, Cambodia and other
prosperous countries. Various investigations have accused Vietnam as
the leading exporter of prostitutes into the world, and that the
prostitution industry in Vietnam is primarily organized and protected
by top Communist Party officials and their families.
84. Sept. 3, 2000: The Coalition of Cuban American Women in Florida
released a harrowing report, including testimonies by children in
Cuba, disclosing daily physical and sexual abuses and other human
rights violations of children, committed by Communist officials. The
report identified Cuban Communist government officials to be the main
culprits in the trafficking, organization and protection of child
prostitution.
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PRESS RELEASE
Summary of Human Rights Violations in Vietnam Jan through Sept, 2000
(cont'd)
Dave
Chive Mynde <ooochiveo...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> Yes, I am one of those who is honest.
>
> It must come as quite a shock to you.
>
> - Chive
Actually, Chive here sounds to me like he protesteth too loudly.
I can't envision anyone posting such volumes of opionion of one subject,
then rebutting each and every comment with such, uh, vigor, unless
that person has a very personal and significant involvement with
the subject.
Chive, what is your personal experience with prostitution?
- Svo
ThePsyko
wrote:
>In article <8slpmb$3ds$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> Chive Mynde <ooochiveo...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes, I am one of those who is honest.
>>
>> It must come as quite a shock to you.
>>
>> - Chive
>
>Actually, Chive here sounds to me like he protesteth too loudly.
>I can't envision anyone posting such volumes of opionion of one subject,
>then rebutting each and every comment with such, uh, vigor, unless
>that person has a very personal and significant involvement with
>the subject.
>
>Chive, what is your personal experience with prostitution?
>
>- Svo
>
he's BUY-sexual
ThePysko
Public Enemy #7
"God told me to skin you alive"
Cruise
Chive Mynde <ooochiveo...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> You
> seem to have a talent for distorting what people say.
LOL
Talking to yerself again, Chivie?
Charles Fiterman
How does anyone benefit by giving a monopoly over prostitution to criminals?
Anyone but the criminals being given the monopoly that is.
How does anyone benefit by prostitutes being placed in a position where
serial killers have an easy time targeting them? Anyone but the serial
killers that is.
Where prostitution is legal and licensed child prostitution vanishes, where
it is illegal child prostitution thrives. How does anyone benefit from
encouraging child prostitution? Anyone but child molesters that is.
I notice those who favor prostitution laws always have other motives. Most
often they come from a profession known for child molesters, the ministry.
Or they come from an organization known for its connections to organized
crime, the Republican party.
So what are you, a pimp, a serial killer, or a child molester?
Because even if everything you said was true you haven't given or even
suggested a single argument for continuing the current laws.
Otter Author
business.
Jaqueline
> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 22:00:11 GMT
> From: Otter Author <ott...@hotmail.com>
> Newsgroups: sci.skeptic, alt.religion.wicca, alt.traditional.witchcraft
> Subject: Re: Arguments for Legalizing Prostitution
>
> What consenting adults do in private should be nobody else's goddamn
> business.
Yes, You inform the Police of this, When they RAM, Your Door!!!
'Their' excuse. "Probable Cause."
N0Nthing
Vanora
Jaqueline <sky...@inwa.net> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.21.00102...@blueberry.inwa.net...
Ben Dover
Jaqueline wrote in message ...
>On Fri, 20 Oct 2000 22:00 -0000, Otter Author <ott...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 22:00:11 GMT
>> From: Otter Author <ott...@hotmail.com>
>> Newsgroups: sci.skeptic, alt.religion.wicca, alt.traditional.witchcraft
>> Subject: Re: Arguments for Legalizing Prostitution
>>
>> What consenting adults do in private should be nobody else's goddamn
>> business.
>
>Yes, You inform the Police of this, When they RAM, Your Door!!!
>
>'Their' excuse. "Probable Cause."
>
>
Yer goddam right.
claudia
Dave <dave_s...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:8snuml$ro4$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> >
> > It must come as quite a shock to you.
> >
> > - Chive
>
> I can't envision anyone posting such volumes of opionion of one subject,
> then rebutting each and every comment with such, uh, vigor, unless
> that person has a very personal and significant involvement with
> the subject.
>
> Chive, what is your personal experience with prostitution?
>
> - Svo
>
You REALLY want to hear about Chive's pathetic sex encounters in the bus
stations?
-- Claudia
Fudge_Salad
Live and let live / Live and let die.
Whatever you choose to do, live and let.
Neil Trigger
http://www.magic2k.co.uk
em...@magic2k.co.uk
Chive Mynde
02. Prostitution is Rape - Katherine M. DePasquale
03. Incest is boot camp for prostitution - Katherine M. DePasquale
04. Survivors Speak Out - Lisa B.
05. Survivors Speak Out - Email: stor...@mindspring.com
06. Eradicate Prostitution: Arrest the Johns - Kelly Holsopple
07. Survivors Speak Out - site owner: jill leighton
08. Prostitution - A Modern Form of Slavery, Dorchen Leidholdt
09. Health Effects of Prostitution, Janice G. Raymond
10. Legalizing Prostitution Will Not Stop the Harm, Donna M. Hughes
11. Trafficking of Children in Cambodia, Vietnam, and Cuba
12. 29 Important Facts about Prostitution
1. The higher percentages (80%-90%) of reports of incest and childhood
sexual assaults of prostitutes come from anecdotal reports and from
clinicians working with prostitutes (interviews with Nevada
psychologists cited by Patricia Murphy, Making the Connections: women,
work, and abuse, 1993, Paul M. Deutsch Press, Orlando, Florida; see
also Rita Belton, "Prostitution as Traumatic Reenactment," 1992,
International Society for Traumatic Stress Annual Meeting, Los Angeles,
CA)
2. Estimates of the prevalence of incest among prostitutes range from
65% to 85%. The Council for Prostitution Alternatives, Portland, Oregon
Annual Report in 1991 stated that: 85% of prostitute/clients reported
history of sexual abuse in childhood; 70% reported incest.
3. 68% of 130 San Francisco prostitutes reported having been raped in
prostitution.
88% of 130 San Francisco prostitutes reported having experienced
physical threat in prostitution.
82% of 130 San Francisco prostitutes reported having experienced
physical assault in prostitution.
(Melissa Farley and Norma Hotaling, 1996, in press, "Prostitution,
violence, and posttraumatic stress disorder").
4. "About 80% of women in prostitution have been the victim of a rape.
It's hard to talk about this because..the experience of prostitution is
just like rape. Prostitutes are raped, on the average, eight to ten
times per year. They are the most raped class of women in the history
of our planet. " (Susan Kay Hunter and K.C. Reed, July, 1990 "Taking
the side of bought and sold rape," speech at National Coalition against
Sexual Assault, Washington, D.C. )
5. 70% of San Francisco prostitutes reported being raped by customers an
average of 31 times. (Mimi Silbert, "Compounding factors in the rape of
street prostitutes," 1988, in A.W. Burgess (ed.) Rape and Sexual
Assault II, New York, Garland Publishing.
6. 78% of 55 women who sought help from the Council for Prostitution
Alternatives in 1991 reported being raped an average of 16 times a year
by pimps, and were raped 33 times a year by johns.
(Susan Kay Hunter, Council for Prostitution Alternatives Annual Report,
1991, Portland, Oregon)
7. The average age of entry into prostitution is 13 years (M.H.
Silbert and A.M. Pines, 1982, "Victimization of street prostitutes,
Victimology: An International Journal, 7: 122-133) or 14 years (D.Kelly
Weisberg, 1985, Children of the Night: A Study of Adolescent
Prostitution, Lexington, Mass, Toronto). These studies are outdated,
since the age of entry into prostitution is decreasing. For example,
how do we even conceptualize "juvenile" prostitution, when the age of
consent is lowered to 12 years, as has happened in 1995 in Australia
and Netherlands?
8. 65% of prostitutes reported sexual abuse in childhood (M.H. Silbert
and A.M. Pines, 1982, "Victimization of street
prostitutes, "Victimology: An International Journal, 7: 122-133)
9. 80% of prostitution-survivors at the WHISPER Oral History Project
reported that their customers showed them pornography to illustrate the
kinds of sexual activities in which they wanted to engage. 52% of the
women stated that pornography played a significant role in teaching
them what was expected of them as prostitutes. 30% reported that their
pimps regularly exposed them to pornography in order to indoctrinate
them into an acceptance of the practices depicted. (A facilitator's
guide to Prostitution: a matter of violence against women, 1990,
WHISPER - Women Hurt in Systems of Prostitution Engaged in Revolt -
Lake St. Station, POB 8719, Minneapolis, MN 55408)
10. 32% of 130 prostitutes interviewed in San Francisco reported that
they had been upset by attempts by customers to coerce them into acts
seen in pornography. (Melissa Farley and Norma Hotaling, 1996, in
press, "Prostitution, violence, and posttraumatic stress disorder).
11. 48% of 110 prostitutes interviewed in Thailand reported that they
had been upset by attempts by customers to coerce them into acts seen
in pornography. (Melissa Farley, 1996, unpublished data, POB 16254, San
Francisco CA 94116)
12. In prostitution, "men buy not a self but a body that performs as a
self, and it is a self that conforms to the most harmful, damaging,
racist and sexist concepts of women..." (Kathleen Barry, The
Prostitution of Sexuality, 1995, New York, New York University Press)
13. The prostitution market is driven by customer demand for sexual
service. During WW II, the Japanese military forced from 100,000 to
200,000 Korean women into prostitution to service their military.
(Kathleen Barry, The Prostitution of Sexuality, 1995, New York, New
York University Press)
14. In 1974, police estimated that there were 400,000 prostitutes in
Thailand, procured primarily for the U.S. military on R & R from the
Vietnam War. As of 1993, an unofficial estimate is that there are 2
million prostitutes in Thailand, whose national economy is dependent on
tourism. Prostitution is the largest commodity for the 450,000 Thai men
who purchase prostitutes daily and for a large percentage of the 5.4
million tourists a year who arrive in Thailand for "sex tours."
(Kathleen Barry, The Prostitution of Sexuality, 1995, New York, New
York University Press)
15. 90% of prostituted women interviewed by WHISPER had pimps while in
prostitution (Evelina Giobbe, 1987, WHISPER Oral History Project,
Minneapolis, Minnesota).
16. Pimps target girls or women who seem naive, lonely, homeless, and
rebellious. At first, the attention and feigned affection from the pimp
convinces her to "be his woman." Pimps ultimately keep prostituted
women in virtual captivity by verbal abuse - making a woman feel that
she is utterly worthless: a toilet, a piece of trash; and by physical
coercion - beatings and the threat of torture. 80% to 95% of all
prostitution is pimp-controlled. (Kathleen Barry, The Prostitution of
Sexuality, 1995, New York, New York University Press)
17. The answer to the question "why do prostitutes stay with their
pimps" is the same as the answer to the question "why do battered women
stay with their batterers." Humans bond emotionally to their abusers as
a psychological strategy to survive under conditions of captivity. This
has been described as the Stockholm syndrome (see Dee Graham with
Rawlings and Rigsby, Loving to Survive: Sexual Terror, Men's Violence,
and Women's Lives, 1994, New York University Press, New York.)
18. In 1994, women in the sex industry were identified as one of three
populations most in need of specialized services, primarily as a result
of the violence inflicted upon them as a result of their work. (City of
Seattle Dept of Housing and Human Service, Domestic Violence Community
Advocacy Program Expansion, Feb. 1994)
19. Men call up the image of the whore when they are abusing their
partners. The accusations in between the kicks and slaps: "You
slut....whore...." Historically, the words mean "subhuman," "having no
rights," "invisible," and "wicked." As recently as 1991, police in a
southern California community closed all rape reports made by
prostitutes and addicts, placing them in a file stamped "NHI." The
letters stand for the words "No Human Involved." (Linda Fairstein,
Sexual Violence: Our War Against Rape, 1993, New York, William Morrow.)
20. We usually don't see prostitution as domestic violence because it
is just too painful: "...the carnage: the scale of it, the dailiness of
it, the seeming inevitability of it; the torture, the rapes, the
murders, the beatings, the despair, the hollowing out of the
personality, the near extinguishment of hope commonly suffered by women
in prostitution." (Margaret A. Baldwin "Split at the Root: Prostitution
and Feminist Discourses of Law Reform" in Yale Journal of Law and
Feminism, 1992, Vol 5: 47-120)
21. "Furthermore, 90% of the women in this study had experienced
violence in their personal relationships resulting in miscarriage,
stabbing, loss of consciousness, and head injuries" (Parriott, Ruth.
Health Experiences of Twin Cities Women Used in Prostitution: Survey
Findings and Recommendations. Unpublished, May 1994. Available from
Breaking Free, 1821 University Ave., Suite 312, South, St. Paul,
Minnesota 55104; also available from the Coalition Against Trafficking
in Women.)
22. A Canadian Report on Prostitution and Pornography concluded that
girls and women in prostitution have a mortality rate 40 times higher
than the national average. ( Margaret A. Baldwin, 1992, "Split at the
Root: Prostitution and Feminist Discourses of Law Reform" in Yale
Journal of Law and Feminism, Vol 5: 47-120)
22. In one study, 75% of women in escort prostitution had attempted
suicide. Prostituted women comprised 15% of all completed suicides
reported by hospitals. (Letter from Susan Kay Hunter, Council for
Prostitution Alternatives, Jan 6, 1993, cited by Phyllis Chesler in "A
Woman's Right to Self-Defense: the case of Aileen Carol Wuornos," in
Patriarchy: Notes of an Expert Witness, 1994, Common Courage Press,
Monroe, Maine.
23. In 1993, 42% of women arrested in Seattle on prostitution-related
charges were convicted.
In 1993, 8% of men arrested in Seattle on prostitution-related
charges were convicted. (Seattle Women's Commission, 1995, "Project to
Address the Legal, Political, and Service Barriers Facing Women in the
Sex Industry" Seattle, Washington.
24. Like combat veterans, prostitutes suffer from posttraumatic stress
disorder (PTSD), a psychological reaction to extreme physical and
emotional trauma. Symptoms are acute anxiety, depression, insomnia,
irritability, flashbacks, emotional numbing, and being in a state of
emotional hyperalertness. 130 prostitutes from San Francisco, and 110
prostitutes from Thailand had higher PTSD scores than 123 Vietnam
veterans requesting treatment and 1006 Persian Gulf War veterans.
(Melissa Farley, "Posttraumatic stress disorder among prostitutes -
preliminary data from California and Thailand," October, 1995,
Study Group on Disability, American Public Health Association Annual
Meeting, San Diego, CA)
25. "In addition to the physical and sexual violence clients
perpetrate against women in prostitution, there is also the
psychological and spiritual violence of this invisibility, of listening
to all these details about 'real' sex with 'real" human beings, wives
and girlfriends, and then being expected to fulfill the needs and
fantasies that these non-prostitutes cannot or will not submit to (or
don't know about). It is a violence that spreads, with the john as the
vector of violence, like venereal disease from the bed of one woman to
the bed of another, from the woman in prostitution to the steady
partner. It is invisibility on one end and deception on the other. It
is a tapestry of lies undermining every woman's humanity." (Jane
Anthony, 1996)
26. "[In the past, we had a women's] movement which understood that
the choice to be beaten by one man for economic survival was not a real
choice, despite the appearance of consent a marriage contract might
provide. ...Yet now we are supposed to believe, in the name of
feminism, that the choice to be fucked by hundreds of men for economic
survival must be affirmed as a real choice, and if the woman signs a
model release there is no coercion there." (Catharine A.
MacKinnon, "Liberalism and the Death of Feminism," in Dorchen
Leidholdt and Janice Raymond (eds), The Sexual Liberals and the Attack
on Feminism, 1990, Teachers College Press, New York.)
27. In 1994, women in the sex industry were identified as one of three
populations most in need of specialized services, primarily as a result
of the violence inflicted upon them as a result of their work. (City of
Seattle Dept of Housing and Human Service, Domestic Violence Community
Advocacy Program Expansion, Feb. 1994)
28. 88% of 130 San Francisco prostitutes stated that they wanted to
get out of prostitution (Melissa Farley and Norma Hotaling, 1996, in
press, "Prostitution, violence, and posttraumatic stress disorder). 94%
of 110 Thai prostitutes, and a similar percentage of 108 prostitutes
from Zambia stated that they wanted to get out of prostitution (Melissa
Farley, unpublished data, 1996)
29. There are few if any programs which address the needs of children
of prostitutes. In a recent study of 1,963 prostitutes, more than two-
thirds had at least one child. The average number of children was 2.
40% of the children lived with their grandmothers, but 20% lived with a
mother working as a prostitute. 9% of the children were in foster care.
5% of the working prostitutes were pregnant when interviewed. (Adele
Weiner, "Understanding the Social Needs of Streetwalking Prostitutes,"
1996, Social Work, 41: 97-106.)
Joker and Harley
<c...@geodesic.com> wrote:
>Or they come from an organization known for its connections to organized
>crime, the Republican party.
Proof please!
It is not as simple as that.
You present a good arguments for legalization but then you lose it by
bringing in allegations that are not verified or even believable.
BTW, but didn't "Ol' Blue Eyes" himself have a friends in the
"family" help get JFK elected. Or do you call his daughter a liar.
I support legalization of prosecution as the best way to help the
women doing it. With rules, restrictions and taxes, it will become
ordinary and people won't get excited over it.
Scarlett
the spam fighting cat from California
claudia
More bullshit from Chive, who can't formulate a response unless he lifts it
from some of his dubious (at best) sources.
He must not have time to reply for himself...late for his appointment at the
All-Stud Massage Parlor and Muffler Repair Shop.
Brigantia
> 7. The average age of entry into prostitution is 13 years (M.H.
> Silbert and A.M. Pines, 1982, "Victimization of street prostitutes,
> Victimology: An International Journal, 7: 122-133) or 14 years (D.Kelly
> Weisberg, 1985, Children of the Night: A Study of Adolescent
> Prostitution, Lexington, Mass, Toronto). These studies are outdated,
> since the age of entry into prostitution is decreasing. For example,
> how do we even conceptualize "juvenile" prostitution, when the age of
> consent is lowered to 12 years, as has happened in 1995 in Australia
> and Netherlands?
>
Just a small note (I don't wish to jump in on the debate, I haven't been
watching) - The age of consent in Australia for heterosexuals is 16 years,
not 12. I live in Australia, so I know this to be a fact. I believe it is
the same in the Netherlands.
Misconception is a dangerous thing.
Brigantia
)O(
Cindy Bishop
may have been pointed out before - If so, I do apologize - but if
prostitution is legalized - that is a separate issue from the possibility of
a 13 year old entering into the business - that would be child molestation.
Regarding consenting adults - either legalize it or prosecute the customers.
"Brigantia" <calli...@one.net.au> wrote in message
news:39f3...@pink.one.net.au...
>
> > 7. The average age of entry into prostitution is 13 years (M.H.
> > Silbert and A.M. Pines, 1982, "Victimization of street prostitutes,
> > Victimology: An International Journal, 7: 122-133) or 14 years (D.Kelly
> > Weisberg, 1985, Children of the Night: A Study of Adolescent
> > Prostitution, Lexington, Mass, Toronto). These studies are outdated,
> > since the age of entry into prostitution is decreasing. For example,
> > how do we even conceptualize "juvenile" prostitution, when the age of
> > consent is lowered to 12 years, as has happened in 1995 in Australia
> > and Netherlands?
> >
>
Terry Smith
> > and Netherlands?
> >
>
> watching) - The age of consent in Australia for heterosexuals is 16 years,
> not 12. I live in Australia, so I know this to be a fact. I believe it is
Australia is a very big place. The age of consent is 17 in South Australia,
with the proviso that no offence occurs when the age difference between the
parties is less than 1 year, above a certain (14?) age. It's the best
compromise between ignoring behaviour with possible dangerous consequences
without *informed* consent, and penalising childhood experimentation that
I've seen.
Chive Mynde
"Brigantia" <calli...@one.net.au> wrote:
>
> > 7. The average age of entry into prostitution is 13 years (M.H.
> > Silbert and A.M. Pines, 1982, "Victimization of street prostitutes,
> > Victimology: An International Journal, 7: 122-133) or 14 years
(D.Kelly
> > Weisberg, 1985, Children of the Night: A Study of Adolescent
> > Prostitution, Lexington, Mass, Toronto). These studies are outdated,
> > since the age of entry into prostitution is decreasing. For example,
> > how do we even conceptualize "juvenile" prostitution, when the age
of
> > consent is lowered to 12 years, as has happened in 1995 in Australia
> > and Netherlands?
> >
>
been
> watching) - The age of consent in Australia for heterosexuals is 16
years,
> not 12. I live in Australia, so I know this to be a fact. I believe
it is
>
> Misconception is a dangerous thing.
>
> Brigantia
> )O(
Here are some links I found during a search:
Netherlands
" Sex between an adult and a young person between the ages of 12 and 16
is permitted by law, as long as the young person consents. It may only
be prosecuted by complaint from the young person or the young person’s
parents. The question remains whether the public prosecutions
department would proceed to prosecute if the young person himself had
consented and his parents filed the complaint". (Martin Moerings -
"Socio-legal Control of Homosexuality")
http://www.ilga.org/Information/legal_survey/Europe/netherlands.htm#*Law
s
Australia
Child/Young Person
"According the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child,
child refers to a person under 18 years of age unless otherwise
specified by the law of the country. In relation to sexual activity
there is a great diversity between legislation in different countries
with ages of consent ranging from 12 to 18 years of age. In Australia
there are differences in the laws between states and territories,
different ages for heterosexual and homosexual consensual sex, and
differences between the age of consent and the age to engage in
prostitution/sex work. ECPAT Australia uses the term child/young person
to refer to all people under the age of 18 years in relation to
commercial sexual activities, recognising the age of consensual sexual
relations is a different issue."
http://www.ecpat.org/general.html
In the netherlands sex between an adult and a 12 year-old are legal as
long as the young person consents.
It appears that Australia may have tried to lower the age of consent,
but it appears that unless this was successful in an unknown state or
territory, I cannot confirm these numbers as of yet.
However, it has been confirmed that 12 years of age is legal in the
Netherlands.
I stand by my original post.
- Chive
claudia
> In article <39f3...@pink.one.net.au>,
>
>
> Here are some links I found during a search:
> Netherlands
> " Sex between an adult and a young person between the ages of 12 and 16
> is permitted by law, as long as the young person consents.
Chive just likes his 'ho young so he doesn't have to pay her the minimum
wage.
He's probably buying his ticket to the Netherlands as we speak.
It's difficult for him, since he changes eye color so often and has to
renew his passport.
David Schwartz
Chive Mynde wrote:
> I have asked OcTavO to substantiate his beliefs.
The repeal of prohibition in the United States and subsequent fading of
the climate prohibition created.
DS
Cruise
Too true, on both counts.
Chive needs to come to terms with the fact that he worships academia.
Cruise
claudia <SP...@rulez.com> wrote in message
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>
> Chive Mynde <ooochiveo...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
Cruise
> I stand by my original post.
Carry on, soldier
*giggle
Chive Mynde
Chive Mynde
Chive Mynde
02. Prostitution is Rape - Katherine M. DePasquale
03. Incest is boot camp for prostitution - Katherine M. DePasquale
04. Survivors Speak Out - Lisa B.
05. Survivors Speak Out - Email: stor...@mindspring.com
06. Eradicate Prostitution: Arrest the Johns - Kelly Holsopple
07. Survivors Speak Out - site owner: jill leighton
08. Prostitution - A Modern Form of Slavery, Dorchen Leidholdt
09. Health Effects of Prostitution, Janice G. Raymond
10. Legalizing Prostitution Will Not Stop the Harm, Donna M. Hughes
11. Trafficking of Children in Cambodia, Vietnam, and Cuba
12. 29 Important Facts about Prostitution
13. The Times of India: Taiwanese-Cambodian forced prostitution ring
14. The Times of India: Iranian human trafficking/forced prostitution
15. The Times of India: 30% of Old Delhi sex workers have STDs
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13. The Times of India: Taiwanese-Cambodian prostitution ring
Taiwanese-Cambodian prostitution ring unearthed
PHNOM PENH: Two Taiwanese men and six Cambodian women have been charged
with luring local women into false marriages and then selling them into
prostitution in Taiwan, court officials said here on Friday.
Police raided a hotel in downtown Phnom Penh mid-week, rescuing 20
Cambodian women in their late teens and early 20s, and detaining five
Taiwanese, three of whom were later released.
"The court has charged the two Taiwanese men and six Cambodian women
with human trafficking and exploitation of human beings," said Chea
Vannak, the clerk of Phnom Penh's municipality court.
The two Taiwanese men, Lu Fa Chai, 30, and Li Ching Song, 37, were
identified as the masterminds of the scam. The six women were said to
be bride scouts who combed the countryside looking for attractive young
women from poor families.
The court clerk said the charges were laid late on Thursday night. If
found guilty the men face between 10 and 20 years behind bars.
Tourism police chief Major Rean Vichet said earlier the group had
organised the marriage of Cambodian women to Taiwanese men so they
could be brought to Taiwan. Then, after a few months the women were
sold into prostitution.
Other girls were promised jobs as domestic helpers, but suffered the
same fate.
He said the Cambodian brokers were believed to be paying poor families
800-1,300 dollars to allow their daughters to marry Taiwanese men. The
Taiwanese men paid as much as 6,000 dollars to the brokers.
The girls were usually taken to neighbouring Vietnam from Cambodia
where they were given false marriage certificates and Taiwanese visas.
Hundreds of women may have been trafficked to Taiwan this way,
according to police.
On December 12, 1997, Phnom Penh municipal authorities issued a
directive banning city and religious officials from marrying Taiwanese
men to Khmer women, after a string of complaints from families.
"We have warned these people many times, but they don't learn their
lesson. This time we have to imprison them to make them learn their
lesson," city governor Chea Sophara said.
The hotel raid follows a major crackdown on Taiwanese organised
criminal gangs in recent weeks.
A Romanian woman was charged with human trafficking earlier this month
after police and United Nations officials raided a hotel rescuing seven
Eastern Europeans said to have been forced into prostitution to serve
top government officials. (AFP)
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14. Iran fighting 'unprecedented' human trafficking
Iran fighting 'unprecedented' human trafficking
TEHRAN: Iran has arrested 21 smugglers since the beginning of the
Iranian year in March as regional trafficking in human beings has risen
sharply, the head of Iran's Interpol bureau said.
"This figure is unprecedented in the past 20 years," said Arsalan
Monaem, quoted by the state IRNA news agency late Thursday. "This has
become one of the most profitable professions."
Monaem added that eight people belonging to a smuggling ring "from a
neighbouring country" were recently arrested in the southern city of
Shiraz and were deported to their nation of origin. He did not name the
country.
The Jame-Jam newspaper last month reported it had uncovered a smuggling
network based in Turkey that it said was providing women, many of them
underage, with fake passports and transporting them to European and
Gulf countries, where they were often forced into prostitution.
The conservative paper said its reporter had discovered at least one 16-
year-old girl who had no visa to leave the country but had been
smuggled to Turkey and sold to a 58-year-old European national for
$20,000. AFP
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15. 30% of Old Delhi sex workers afflicted by STDs
Nafisa lights lamp of hope on GB Road
Staff Reporter
NEW DELHI: Razia knew little about the woman who spent over two hours
at her workplace on Saturday. But from the warmth in the visitor's
voice, she had little doubts that the woman was a well-wisher.
AIDS activist and actress Nafisa Ali won several admirers, like Razia,
in a brief interaction with sex workers at the G B Road red-light area
in Old Delhi.
The sex workers were, expectedly, excited about having a celebrity
visit them. Some even took out their personal cameras to click Ali.
Some prepared to welcome her with flowers.
Sharing the sex worker's concerns over delay in issue of ration cards
and lack of facilities for educating their children, Ali assured all
possible help.
Reiterating the need for taking precautions against AIDS, she said:
``Sex workers and NGOs have to join hands to fight AIDS.'' Later she
handed over a box of condoms to sex workers at brothel number 50.
Ali also announced plans to launch a drive, in association with the All-
India Shakti Vahini Foundation, for vaccinating sex workers against
Hepatitis-B.
Describing some of the sex workers' problems as the creation of men,
she said: ``We must educate the women to reduce their
vulnerability...so that they can find other means of earning a
livelihood and bringing up their children in a good environment.''
Later, Ali kicked of Shakti Vahini's scheme for issuing I-cards to over
2,500 sex workers, who are permanent residents of the red-light area.
Shakti Vahini's executive director Ravi Kant said the NGO planned to
intensify the STD/HIV intervention project. Besides promoting use of
condoms, the NGO offers free medical check-ups to sex workers who have
joined the organisation.
There are over 4,000 sex workers operating in the G B Road area.
Medical experts associated with Shakti Vahini said at any given point
of time, at least 30 per cent of the sex workers are afflicted by
sexually transmitted diseases.
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C.V. Compton Shaw
provide services. Sexual freedom is the most intimate of personal
freedoms and sexual wants and needs are some of the most fundamental
needs which without the fulfillment of the same can significantly harm a
persons mental and physical health. Thus, laws against prostitution
violate a persons right to contract, his or he personal freedom to have
sex when and under what circumstances he or she wants, and have a
significantly deleterious affect on the indiviudals physical and mental
health and well being.Such laws demean the individual as being
subservient to the state and not having individual rights and freedoms
thus violating the the purpose of the state, to further the rights and
freedoms of the individual. Thus laws against prostitution promote and
institute baseness and servility amongst those whom it operates. Is it
now wonder that those states which promulgate the most oppressive laws
and customs regulating sexual conduct are often totalitarian states? If
you value human freedom, ethical conduct, and fundamental human rights,
you should understand that prostitution should be legal because of the
above.
Chive Mynde
mis...@swbell.net wrote:
> Prostitution is based upon the right of consenting adults to contract
to
> provide services.
The facts, statistics, clinical case studies, and judicial cases that
document "white slavery" and international human trafficking of
nonconsensual women and children are at odds with your erroneous
assessment.
You sir, are full of shit, and the facts demonstrate that you are a
liar.
Good day,
- Chive
Logical Pike
Chive Mynde <ooochiveo...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> In article <39F8F7...@swbell.net>,
> mis...@swbell.net wrote:
> > Prostitution is based upon the right of consenting adults to
contract
> to
> > provide services.
>
> The facts, statistics, clinical case studies, and judicial cases that
> document "white slavery" and international human trafficking of
> nonconsensual women and children are at odds with your erroneous
> assessment.
>
about it before you launch more ad hominem attacks at him or me.
> You sir, are full of shit, and the facts demonstrate that you are a
> liar.
>
He's a liar? That's strong language. Do you have a shred of
evidence that he is lying? He might be incorrect without lying. My
question to you is how do you arrive at the conclusion that using the
government is the strongest policy to use? How did you decide that
making prostitution illegal is the best alternative?
Logical Pike
OcTavO <octa...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> If you are posting this inconcievable amount of material from home,
you
> need to get out and get some sunshine before you develop radar. If
you
> are posting from work then you need to be fired.
>
Oh, that's a great point!
> OcT
>
> In article <8sjpkg$cv1$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, Chive Mynde
> <ooochiveo...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> <snipped stuff that nobody read>
Chive Mynde
Logical Pike <logic...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> In article <8tavjl$pji$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> Chive Mynde <ooochiveo...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > In article <39F8F7...@swbell.net>,
> > mis...@swbell.net wrote:
> > > Prostitution is based upon the right of consenting adults to
> contract
> > to
> > > provide services.
> >
> > The facts, statistics, clinical case studies, and judicial cases
that
> > document "white slavery" and international human trafficking of
> > nonconsensual women and children are at odds with your erroneous
> > assessment.
> >
> The point that he made went so far over your head. Too bad! think
> about it before you launch more ad hominem attacks at him or me.
No ad hominem can be found in the above statement.
You sir, are a liar, too.
Chive Mynde
> My question to you is how do you arrive at the conclusion that using
> the government is the strongest policy to use? How did you decide that
> making prostitution illegal is the best alternative?
My dear halfwit; prostitution is not only illegal (unless otherwise
regulated by regional and state authorities) but it has been
conclusively demonstrated with facts and substantiated statistics to
boot, to harm women and children.
Please take your support for human slavery somewhere else.
Logical Pike
talk-a-ramas?
Logical Pike
Chive Mynde <ooochiveo...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> In article <8tb71j$uov$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> Logical Pike <logic...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > In article <8tavjl$pji$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> > Chive Mynde <ooochiveo...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > > In article <39F8F7...@swbell.net>,
> > > mis...@swbell.net wrote:
> > > > Prostitution is based upon the right of consenting adults to
> > contract
> > > to
> > > > provide services.
> > >
> > > The facts, statistics, clinical case studies, and judicial cases
> that
> > > document "white slavery" and international human trafficking of
> > > nonconsensual women and children are at odds with your erroneous
> > > assessment.
> > >
> > The point that he made went so far over your head. Too bad!
think
> > about it before you launch more ad hominem attacks at him or me.
>
> No ad hominem can be found in the above statement.
>
damn thing. You have called him a liar and now me. What is your
evidential basis for this very strong (and false) claim?
> You sir, are a liar, too.
>
the rest of my previous post?
Chive Mynde
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Noinden
<logic...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > No ad hominem can be found in the above statement.
> >
> Then, I would suggest that you get a book on logic and peruse the
> damn thing. You have called him a liar and now me. What is your
> evidential basis for this very strong (and false) claim?
> > You sir, are a liar, too.
> >
> Have you had your prozac today? Are you unwilling to respond to
> the rest of my previous post?
Remeber some prozac takers have psycotic effects ... especially IF they
are misdiagnosed ....
Chive hates to be exposed .. normally he just cuts an argument that he
can not argue against ..
Chive Mynde
Logical Pike <logic...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> In article <8tb77f$v2e$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> Chive Mynde <ooochiveo...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > In article <8tb71j$uov$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> > Logical Pike <logic...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > > In article <8tavjl$pji$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> > > Chive Mynde <ooochiveo...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > > > In article <39F8F7...@swbell.net>,
> > > > mis...@swbell.net wrote:
> > > > > Prostitution is based upon the right of consenting adults to
> > > contract
> > > > to
> > > > > provide services.
> > > >
> > > > The facts, statistics, clinical case studies, and judicial cases
> > that
> > > > document "white slavery" and international human trafficking of
> > > > nonconsensual women and children are at odds with your erroneous
> > > > assessment.
> > > >
> > > The point that he made went so far over your head. Too bad!
> think
> > > about it before you launch more ad hominem attacks at him or me.
> >
> > No ad hominem can be found in the above statement.
> >
> Then, I would suggest that you get a book on logic and peruse the
> damn thing.
There is no ad hominem in the above statement.
I suggest you learn to read before you buy a book on logic.
Chive Mynde
David Schwartz <dav...@webmaster.com> wrote:
>
> Chive Mynde wrote:
>
> > I have asked OcTavO to substantiate his beliefs.
And he is still, unable to do so.
Chive Mynde
02. Prostitution is Rape - Katherine M. DePasquale
03. Incest is boot camp for prostitution - Katherine M. DePasquale
04. Survivors Speak Out - Lisa B.
05. Survivors Speak Out - Email: stor...@mindspring.com
06. Eradicate Prostitution: Arrest the Johns - Kelly Holsopple
07. Survivors Speak Out - site owner: jill leighton
08. Prostitution - A Modern Form of Slavery, Dorchen Leidholdt
09. Health Effects of Prostitution, Janice G. Raymond
10. Legalizing Prostitution Will Not Stop the Harm, Donna M. Hughes
11. Trafficking of Children in Cambodia, Vietnam, and Cuba
12. 29 Important Facts about Prostitution
13. The Times of India: Taiwanese-Cambodian forced prostitution ring
14. The Times of India: Iranian human trafficking/forced prostitution
15. The Times of India: 30% of Old Delhi sex workers have STDs
16. Jane's Security: UK Rise in Human Trafficking
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16. Jane's Security: UK Rise in Human Trafficking
Jane's Security/Police Review
15/06/00
Skin Trade
Most forces are not addressing a rise in human trafficking for
prostitution, argues a Home Office survey. Tina Orr-Munro reports on
its findings and how one force is tackling the issue.
More than 1,000 women a year could be illegally brought into the UK for
prostitution, a report published by the Home Office has revealed. The
report argues, however, that the 36 police forces that took part in the
research were only able to identify 71 women who they believed had been
trafficked for prostitution in 1998.
Although the study admits that trying to produce an exact figure
was 'problematic' and accurate measures were 'still illusive', it says
the findings do show that not only do most forces have little
appreciation of the extent of the trafficking problem in their area,
they are doing little to combat it.
One of the reasons for this, the report suggests, is because most
forces have failed to recognise that they may have a 'hidden problem'.
The report, which is titled Stopping Traffic: Exploring the extent of,
and responses to, trafficking in women for sexual exploitation in the
UK, was written by Liz Kelly and Linda Regan.
It says trafficking is closely linked to 'off-street prostitution',
which is an area, the authors believe, has been neglected by forces. As
a result, forces have given the impression that there is 'a tacit
toleration policy for off-street prostitution' - and this, says the
report, creates a 'climate of toleration for trafficking'. The
traffickers, says the report, will not be 'slow to notice' an
environment that is more favourable to their activities.
The report also reveals that even when forces do identify a problem,
because they do not consider this form of crime to be a priority, it is
often inadequately dealt with.
The report cites the case of a Thai woman who was found locked in a
room by health and safety officials inspecting a business premises.
After the police received reports that women at these premises were
being coerced into giving sexual services, a raid was planned in 1994.
However, due to manpower restrictions and budget constraints no action
was taken. It was not until November 1998 that the raid went ahead,
after concerns were raised that the brothels might also be linked to
trafficking drugs.
The fact that it took four years and a connection being made to drugs
for any action to be taken is, says the study, 'both disturbing and
revealing'.
Although no direct criticism of the officers is made, the case is a
demonstration of 'attitudes and priorities of the time', says the
report. 'It also reflects the lack of knowledge of the nature and
extent of the problem.'
Tim Brain, ACPO spokesman on prostitution and deputy chief constable of
Gloucestershire, welcomes the report and agrees that this is a 'growing
sector'. He says the figures are 'very much an estimation' and that the
problem needs to be seen in context.
'It should be remembered that the rise in trafficking is a problem of
the last few years, and it is primarily a London problem,' says Mr
Brain.
He believes the reality is not as bleak as the picture painted by the
report. 'It is not a uniquely bad picture across the whole country,' he
says. 'Police forces are gathering their own intelligence to decide on
the scale of the problem.'
The increase in human trafficking, he says, is not just because of a
poor police response; it is also because of the complex nature of the
crime which requires a multi-agency approach. 'It is not a single
agency initiative or a single force issue, but one that involves the HM
immigration service, Customs and NCIS,' he says.
Mr Brain also believes the current legislation often hampers police
investigations. He says: 'The problem is if you are not working on the
streets or in a group but from a flat on your own, you are not
committing any offence.'
Mr Brain says the problem is also accentuated when 'pimps', or those
who benefit from this trade, often receive light sentences after they
are apprehended and convicted. This view is shared by Ch Supt Martin
Jauch, head of the Met's clubs and vice unit.
'We do need stiffer sentences,' he says. 'Even if offenders are found
guilty and the maximum penalty is seven years, the most we have ever
got is three.'< As a result, says Ch Supt Jauch, trafficking is
considered 'low risk' by criminals, which only adds to its
attractiveness.
Mr Brain believes that other problems in investigating this type of
crime are related to the victims themselves. 'It is very difficult for
victims to come forward,' he says. 'There may be a language barrier.
They may also be worried about being deported because they fear
reprisals in their own country or because they may be stigmatised.'
Ch Supt Jauch agrees: 'In four years, only a couple of victims have
ever come forward. If you've got no victim, you've got no crime. So we
have to approach it in a different way.'
Based at Charing Cross, Ch Supt Jauch heads a dedicated vice unit that
has now developed what it believes to be a successful approach to the
problem of trafficking. He says human trafficking is a problem that no
force can afford to ignore - even if it is considered to be a 'low
volume' crime.
'We don't deal with many cases, but the size of the problem is not
small; it extends right across the country,' says Ch Supt Jauch. 'It is
not any different in Manchester or Birmingham.'
He also believes that if trafficking continues to rise unchecked, it
could get out of control. 'At the moment everyone is happy because
everyone is making money,' says Ch Supt Jauch. '[But] once the market
reaches saturation point, turf wars will happen just as they have in
parts of Europe.'
The work that has been carried out by the Met's vice unit was praised
by the report. It commends the unit for 'developing considerable
insight into the position of trafficked women and the use of a
practical human rights-based approach in seeking to support women in
situations where they have limited support'.
The vice unit has a three-pronged response to dealing with trafficking
that includes reactive, disruptive and proactive intervention. However,
the report's authors were particularly impressed by the methods used by
the unit to find ways of prosecuting traffickers without relying on the
victim's testimony, which is often not forthcoming.
'We start on the assumption of no victims,' says Ch Supt Jauch. 'We
gather our evidence by using other techniques such as surveillance and
undercover techniques.'
Another area of good practice identified by the report is the use of
specialist financial officers to track the money that is made from
trafficking. Ch Supt Jauch says these officers are a 'major plank of
our investigative effort - particularly when the estimated total
criminal benefit from these cases is in the region of £10 million.'
The unit's approach to collecting local intelligence on the sex trade
is another area of strength, says the report, which criticised other
forces for having little knowledge of their local trade.
Ch Supt Jauch says gathering this type of intelligence is an important
part of the process and relatively easy to do. 'Traffickers view women
as a product for profit,' he says. 'In order to maximise their return
it is necessary to market their product, thus monitoring the market
place is a key component in gathering initial intelligence.
'You don't have to delve too deeply to find evidence of trafficking.'
The work conducted by the unit has now been recognised as best practice
across Europe. However, as Mr Brain says, it is 'unusual' to have a
large dedicated unit such as this, headed by a chief superintendent.
Most police resources, he says, will not stretch to this.
'Police forces consistently have to balance the problems they have
against a background of limited resources,' he says. 'But most forces
do have good local specialists that deal with vice matters.'
While he questions some elements of the report, Mr Brain says the
findings are welcomed because they will raise awareness of the
problem. 'We are taking trafficking seriously,' he says, 'and we will
work to find a way through this problem.'
To ensure trafficking does not become a 'bigger concern' in Britain,
ACPO will launch a guide in the coming weeks which will enable forces
to tackle the issue. The guide is based on the good practice carried
out by the Met's vice unit and it is hoped that it will allow forces to
address the issues raised in the report.
http://www.janes.com/security/law_enforcement/news/pr/pr000619_n_2.shtml
Chive Mynde
02. Prostitution is Rape - Katherine M. DePasquale
03. Incest is boot camp for prostitution - Katherine M. DePasquale
04. Survivors Speak Out - Lisa B.
05. Survivors Speak Out - Email: stor...@mindspring.com
06. Eradicate Prostitution: Arrest the Johns - Kelly Holsopple
07. Survivors Speak Out - site owner: jill leighton
08. Prostitution - A Modern Form of Slavery, Dorchen Leidholdt
09. Health Effects of Prostitution, Janice G. Raymond
10. Legalizing Prostitution Will Not Stop the Harm, Donna M. Hughes
11. Trafficking of Children in Cambodia, Vietnam, and Cuba
12. 29 Important Facts about Prostitution
13. The Times of India: Taiwanese-Cambodian forced prostitution ring
14. The Times of India: Iranian human trafficking/forced prostitution
15. The Times of India: 30% of Old Delhi sex workers have STDs
16. Jane's Security: UK Rise in Human Trafficking
17. USAIBB: Sexual Slavery a Serious Problem in Kosovo/South Asia
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04/27/2000
EDITORIAL NUMBER=0-08747
HUMAN TRAFFICKING IN KOSOVO
In Eastern Europe, trafficking in women has become one of the major
criminal enterprises of the post-Communist era. This slave-trade has
now developed into a serious problem in the Serbian province of Kosovo,
which has yet to recover from the ethnic conflicts stoked by Yugoslav
President Slobodan Milosevic.
In the past six months, United Nations police have rescued fifty women –
Moldovan, Ukrainian, Bulgarian, and Romanian – from brothels
throughout Kosovo. According to police and aid workers, hundreds more,
lured away from their homelands, may also be living in sexual servitude.
Some of the women, as young as fifteen, had been transported from their
homes in Eastern Europe to Macedonia. There they were held in motels
and sold at auction to pimps. The women were held in unheated rooms
where they were forced to engage in unprotected sex. International
organizations have set up a safe house for women who have escaped or
been rescued until they can return home.
Unfortunately, Kosovo is not unique in this regard. Trafficking in
women is rampant in Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union. And the
problem is bigger even that that. Worldwide, it is estimated that over
one-million women are forced into servitude each year that includes
prostitution, bonded sweatshop labor, or domestic slavery. The problem
is particularly serious in the South Asian countries of India,
Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Nepal. Girls from poverty-stricken families
are often sold to traffickers by parents or relatives who are under
economic pressure. Many become infected with H-I-V, the virus that
causes AIDS. While criminal laws against such trafficking exist, they
are often not enforced.
Under U-N auspices, most countries are now negotiating a transnational
organized crime convention. Signatories would be required to pass laws
criminalizing trafficking in women and other persons. Victims would be
given legal protection and returned to their homes, where they could
receive rehabilitation.
It is critical that such trafficking not only be made illegal in every
country but also be vigorously prosecuted. Otherwise, this scourge will
continue to grow.
USA: International Broadcasting Bureau
http://www.ibb.gov/editorials/08747.htm
Cap'n Twill
So, would you say he's an academia nut?
That's right, shoot me now.
Chive Mynde
Noinden <sla...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
> Chive hates to be exposed ..
More projections from "nooneinthere".
Expose for the shadows, develop for the highlights.
Daniel B. Holzman
> mis...@swbell.net wrote:
>> Prostitution is based upon the right of consenting adults to contract
>to
>
Just as a side note, it's amusing that when someone's story doesn't
support your point it's "fictional" to cite it, and when you think it
does support your point it's a "clinical case study." If there was an
award for conjugating nouns, you would be this month's recipient.
>document "white slavery" and international human trafficking of
>nonconsensual women and children are at odds with your erroneous
>assessment.
Slavery ("white" or otherwise) and trafficking of nonconsenting women and
children are illegal.
If prostitution were legalized, slavery ("white" or otherwise) would
remain illegal.
If prostitution were legalized, trafficking in nonconseting women and
children would remain illegal.
If you want to combat slavers and traffickers in nonconsenting women and
children, the way to do it is to enforce laws against slaving and
trafficking in nonconsenting women and children. Enforcing laws against
prostitution only harms prostitutes, and those laws are one of the tools
that the slavers and traffickers in nonconsenting women and children use
in controlling those against whom they commit their crimes.
--
Daniel B. Holzman
>evidence that he is lying? He might be incorrect without lying.
No doubt Chive gets his definition of the word "liar" from the same
dictionary he got the word "fictional."
Has anyone nominated Chive for KotM yet?
--
officianalis@a.open.by Pimenta dioica
2.59a ought to be enough for anybody. - Vince Gates