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Tigger

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1. In scales the ? converts the mechanical force acting on it into an
electrical signal.
2. An A/D converter converts ? .
3. ? are temperature-sensitive resistors that are used for sensing heat.
4. A ? converts the strain of a spring element into an equivalent change in
resistance.
5. The basic principle applied in bar code scanning is that of ? .
6. What is the degree to which a load cell output can promptly return to a
zero load state after an applied load?
7. An oscilloscope displays two cycles of voltage wave form. To display
three cycles, decrease the ? .
8. What is an EEPROM? (what do the letters stand for?)
9. An optical coupler has the advantage of: A)very high speed. B) operating
with voltage, but no current. C) low power requirement. D) very high
isolation resistance.
10. Which of the following operates with reverse voltage but not reverse
current: A) Zener diode. B) Diac. C) Varactor diode. D) Triac.
11. A Wheatstone bridge is usually used for accurate measurement of: A)
resistance. B) current. C) voltage. D) power.
12. You would expect to find a snubber in: A) a triac with resistive load.
B) an SCR circuit with an inductive load. C) direct-coupled bipolar
transistor amplifier. D) a power supply ferroresonant transformer circuit.
13. In an NPN transistor, the base should be: A) positive, with respect to
the collector. B) negative, with respect to the collector. C) both A & B are
correct. D) Neither A or B are correct.
14. To find peak voltage you multiply the R.M.S. value by .7. A) True. B)
False.
15. The base-collector junction of a transistor is normally: A) always some
form of hot carrier. B) reverse biased. C) forward biased. D) always
passivated.
16. To forward bias a semiconductor diode: A) should never be done, it will
damage the diode. B) it’s triode is made positive. C) it’s anode is made
negative, with respect to the cathode. D) it’s anode is made positive, with
respect to the cathode.
17. A demultiplexer: A) converts data from binary to BCD. B) channels
several data lines to a lesser number of outputs C) takes data from only one
source. D) reduces the input voltage level. E) does the same thing as a
flip-flop.
18. An internal , short-term memory in a microprocessor might be called a:
A) a CPU. B) an address. C) a latch. D) a register. E) a decoder.
19. A certain counter is made with five flip-flops. What is the highest
decimal number the counter could display? A) 23. B) 31. C) 15. D) 464. E)
25.
20. Which of the following conducts in either of two directions? A) NPN
transistors. B) triacs. C) SCR’s. D) bipolar transistors.
21. Which of the following is a method of detecting errors? A) matrix code.
B) bit slice. C) parity. D) decoding. E) erdit.
22. When a memory is made so that it is stored in a charged or uncharged
capacitor, it is called: A) static memory. B) dynamic memory. C) both A & B
are correct. D) neither A or B are correct.
23. An advantage of parallel data handling is: A) speed. B) less circuitry
required. C) A & B. D) neither A or B are correct.
24. Whenever the base of a transistor is the same voltage as the emitter,
the transistor is: A) saturated. B) operating normally. C) cut off. D)
free-running.
25. A certain meter is rated 100,000 ohms per volt. This means: A) the
impedance of the meter is 100,000 ohms for each volt being measured. B) the
full scale deflection of the meter movement is 10 microamperes. C) A & B. D)
neither A or B are correct.
26. To measure the emitter to base voltage of a PNP transistor, connect the
positive lead of the voltmeter to the: A) transistor base. B) transistor
emitter. C) transistor collector. D) chassis ground. E) VCC.
27. An oscilloscope shows that the peak-to-peak voltage of a sawtooth
waveform is 10 volts. The R.M.S. value of the voltage: A) is 7.07. B) is
.707. C) is .07. D) cannot be determined from the information given.
28. A meter movement with a full scale deflection reading of 10 microamperes
is used as a voltmeter. The meter has a rating of: A) 10,000 ohms per volt.
B) 20,000 ohms per volt. C) 50,000 ohms per volt. D) 100,000 ohms per volt.
E) undetermined from the information given.
29. What is the BCD 0001 1001 1001 0001 , in decimal?
30. What is the decimal 29, in octal?
31. What is the octal 735, in decimal?
Add the following hexidecimal numbers:
32. 4D3 + 818= ? .
33. 789 + C47= ? .
34. F347 + E006= ? .
Add the following binary numbers:
35. 1101 + 0101 = ? .
36. 0001 + 1000 = ? .
37. 1111 + 1111 = ? .
Subtract the following binary numbers:
38. 1110 – 0101 = ? .
39. 0100 – 0011 = ? .
40. 1001 – 0110 = ? .
41. The schematic symbol for an I.C. tells you: A) all electrical
characteristics of the I.C. B) the general function of the I.C. C) the I.C.’
s physical size. D) how the I.C. is connected internally.
42. Two capacitors in series result in a larger value than the same two
capacitors in parallel. A) True. B) False.
43. Hexidecimal is a number system with a base of ? .
44. What does the term “COMPLIMENT” mean when referring to flip-flops?
45. Is a monostable multivibrator the same as a one shot?
46. What type of waveform does an astable multivibrator output?
47. Does an astable multivibrator need a trigger to operate?
48. A bistable multivibrator requires a positive trigger to set the output
high. What is needed to set the output low?

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Rudolf Ladyzhenskii

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Do I get a cookie for answering that?

Sarlock T.

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What's sad is all the time was taken to type this in rather than to figure
out the answers themselves.

Tigger wrote in message ...

Andy

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I'd like to help.......but if I never did my homework I wouldn't have learned
anything. Don't take the easy way out. If you are genuinely stuck on some of the
questions then post those only (with your attempted answer and how you arrived
at the answer). I'm am sure that by doing this you will get a more favourable
response and maybe even learn something!!

Cheers......Andy VK4KY

Dirk Bruere

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Tigger wrote:
>
> 44. What does the term “COMPLIMENT” mean when referring to flip-flops?

'COMPLEMENT'

These seem pretty easy questions for professional eng and techs. What's
the fuss?

Dirk

Steve

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Dirk Bruere wrote:

>
> Tigger wrote:
> >
> > 44. What does the term “COMPLIMENT” mean when referring to flip-flops?
>
> 'COMPLEMENT'
>
> These seem pretty easy questions for professional eng and techs. What's
> the fuss?
>
> Dirk
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Dirk Bruere

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Steve wrote:
>
> (we don't like people asking us to do their assigned homework, we've
> seen this alot before, complete with glitzy subject line of desperation)

'We'?

Anyway, about the Pentium III that you seem concerned about. Has anyone
considered the possibility that Intel is going for the dictatorship
markets such as Singapore, China etc who would prefer this to the
freedom loving AMD?

Dirk

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Sarlock T. (sarlock@no!spam.twcny.rr.com) wrote:
: What's sad is all the time was taken to type this in rather than to figure
: out the answers themselves.

If he did that then he missed;

49. What does cut and paste mean?

I like;

44. What does the term COMPLIMENT mean when referring to flip-flops?

A) It's a great part?

Stephen


: Tigger wrote in message ...

: >44. What does the term “COMPLIMENT” mean when referring to flip-flops?
: >45. Is a monostable multivibrator the same as a one shot?

: >
: >
: >
: >
: >
: >

Mark Kinsler

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Well, I think I know all of the answers, though I don't know anything much
about the load-cells used in electronic scales--how _do_ they return those
to zero after something is weighed? Must be some sort of dynamic
balancing circuit for a bridge circuit.

That peak-to-peak question has a problem, and I'm rather sorry that
they're emphasizing p-p in this course. 10v p-p is 5v peak, so the rms
value is gonna be something like .707 x 5v, which is something like 3 1/2
volts, which isn't on the list of answers. None of the choices are
correct, including that last "insufficient information" one.

It's an okay test, but certainly not the best I've ever seen. Anyone know
where it came from?

Mark Kinsler

who learned something about ohms/volt vs full-scale meter current whilst
reading it. Forgot about that stuff.
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Gary Tait

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There are other serial numbers in use now you may wish to be concerned
about,such as ethernet MAC addresses ,and your O/S and applications
serial numbers. Hardware serial numbers have been used for years on
the Mac.

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John Woodgate

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inimitably wrote:
>>43. Hexidecimal is a number system with a base of ?
^^^^^^^^^^^
Suxteen?
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Dirk Bruere

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Gary Tait wrote:
>
> There are other serial numbers in use now you may wish to be concerned
> about,such as ethernet MAC addresses ,and your O/S and applications
> serial numbers. Hardware serial numbers have been used for years on
> the Mac.
>

Not to mention Bill's Win98 'bug/feature' that activates when you
(surf?) register at his site.

Dirk

Doug

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Tigger wrote:
>
> 1. In scales the ? converts the mechanical force acting on it into an
> electrical signal.
> 2. An A/D converter converts ? .
> 3. ? are temperature-sensitive resistors that are used for sensing heat.
> 4. A ? converts the strain of a spring element into an equivalent change in
> resistance.
> 5. The basic principle applied in bar code scanning is that of ? .
> 6. What is the degree to which a load cell output can promptly return to a
> zero load state after an applied load?
> 7. An oscilloscope displays two cycles of voltage wave form. To display
> three cycles, decrease the ? .

< chuckle ... >

AH, the hell with it! I don't know about you all, but
I'm having a hell of a time trying to figure out what
this " ? " thing is that can do all this stuff.

Must be one of them thare new fangled wiz-bang
thing-a-ma-bobs.

It's a mechanical converter, it's an A/D converter,
it slices, it dices, and cuts pipes, too!

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Rich Sulin

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Mark Kinsler wrote:
>
> Well, I think I know all of the answers, though I don't know anything much
> about the load-cells used in electronic scales--how _do_ they return those
> to zero after something is weighed? Must be some sort of dynamic
> balancing circuit for a bridge circuit.

Well, a scale assembly not being overloaded shouldn't be stressed
beyond it's yield point (i.e., It should stay within its plastic
range), so that it returns pretty much to zero when the sample is
removed. And the scale gets re-zeroed during power-on, anyway.

> That peak-to-peak question has a problem, and I'm rather sorry that
> they're emphasizing p-p in this course. 10v p-p is 5v peak, so the rms
> value is gonna be something like .707 x 5v, which is something like 3 1/2
> volts, which isn't on the list of answers. None of the choices are
> correct, including that last "insufficient information" one.

Goes to show even test writers make mistakes... or did he/she? Maybe
it was a set-up, to really test the reader's knowledge!

>
> It's an okay test, but certainly not the best I've ever seen. Anyone know
> where it came from?
>
> Mark Kinsler
>
> who learned something about ohms/volt vs full-scale meter current whilst
> reading it. Forgot about that stuff.
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> See http://www.frognet.net/~kinsler

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Jim Weir

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Doug <d...@not.spam>
shared these priceless pearls of wisdom:

->Tigger wrote:
->>
->> 1. In scales the ? converts the mechanical force acting on it into an
->> electrical signal.

->It's a mechanical converter, it's an A/D converter,
->it slices, it dices, and cuts pipes, too!

But WAIT, folks, there's more..............

You guys didn't dick with Tigger's head enough. A few answers that SOUND
technically right that are out-of-phase wrong but that we all (wink) agreed
on would have given him the grade he deserved.

Jim

Bob Myers

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Jim Weir wrote in message <37034e06...@news.gv.net>...

>You guys didn't dick with Tigger's head enough. A few answers that SOUND
>technically right that are out-of-phase wrong but that we all (wink) agreed
>on would have given him the grade he deserved.
>

No, what we REALLY need here is a test that checks to see if you're
competent to deal with REAL-WORLD design issues. I will humbly
(yeah, right) now offer a few example questions to get us started:

1. Your management has handed you a set of design specifications which
violate all known laws of physics, including several from the "Star Trek"
universe. What should you do?

2. Supplier A offers components which are technically superior and available
at half the cost of supplier B's, but supplier B gives you better T-shirts.
Whose
party do you try to crash at Comdex?

3. Through basically clumsy application of a test probe and an unfortunate
error
regarding which terminal was the 400V supply, you have destroyed a prototype
representing 300 man-months of effort and an R&D budget equal to that of
some
developing nations. Who should you blame this on, and how?

4. List, in descending order of generated volume, the top 5 components in
terms
of producing the most smoke when incorrectly connected.

5. Give at least three examples of politically-incorrect color-code
mnemonics.

6. How many "Dilbert" calendar pages are required to fully cover the walls
of
the average R&D engineer's cubicle?

Bob M.
Bob Myers | Opinions expressed here are
Microdisplay Products Operation | not those of HP, or even
Hewlett-Packard | necessarily those of the
Ft. Collins, CO my...@fc.hp.com | author.


Sarlock T.

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>No, what we REALLY need here is a test that checks to see if you're
>competent to deal with REAL-WORLD design issues. I will humbly
>(yeah, right) now offer a few example questions to get us started:
>
>1. Your management has handed you a set of design specifications which
>violate all known laws of physics, including several from the "Star Trek"
>universe. What should you do?


Lights, lots of blinky lights and special effects, incorporate lasers if
need be, and sound
you need lots of sound(everytime you push a button it beeps) and the power
supply has
got to hum like it's sucking down 5000 amps of power.

>
>2. Supplier A offers components which are technically superior and
available
>at half the cost of supplier B's, but supplier B gives you better T-shirts.
>Whose party do you try to crash at Comdex?

Both of them, because the one with the more expensive parts and T-shirts
will have
better liquor, and the ones with the cheaper parts might have free samples,
maybe some
cheap liquor to get you started ;)

>
>3. Through basically clumsy application of a test probe and an unfortunate
>error
>regarding which terminal was the 400V supply, you have destroyed a
prototype
>representing 300 man-months of effort and an R&D budget equal to that of
>some
>developing nations. Who should you blame this on, and how?


The same people who are conspiring to sell the public short life
lightbulbs.

>
>4. List, in descending order of generated volume, the top 5 components in
>terms
>of producing the most smoke when incorrectly connected.


Oil Filled Capacitors, oil filled transformers, transformers,
electrolytic caps, and hmmm, maybe really big carbon resistors?

>5. Give at least three examples of politically-incorrect color-code
>mnemonics.

Err... yoiks, I guess I flunk the test, I only know one..

>
>6. How many "Dilbert" calendar pages are required to fully cover the walls
>of
>the average R&D engineer's cubicle?

Uknown, I've never met an 'average' engineer :)

Gary Woods

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"Bob Myers" <my...@fc.hp.com> wrote:

>
>No, what we REALLY need here is a test that checks to see if you're
>competent to deal with REAL-WORLD design issues. I will humbly
>(yeah, right) now offer a few example questions to get us started:
>
>1. Your management has handed you a set of design specifications which
>violate all known laws of physics, including several from the "Star Trek"
>universe. What should you do?

I'll get Bob on that right away, sir! He's young, he's eager, he's itching for a challange!

>2. Supplier A offers components which are technically superior and available
>at half the cost of supplier B's, but supplier B gives you better T-shirts.
>Whose
>party do you try to crash at Comdex?

Is there more data? Unless this is a really weird trick question, supplier B gets the order hands
down.

>
>3. Through basically clumsy application of a test probe and an unfortunate
>error
>regarding which terminal was the 400V supply, you have destroyed a prototype
>representing 300 man-months of effort and an R&D budget equal to that of
>some
>developing nations. Who should you blame this on, and how?

Bob said he'd give me a hand with this one..... I don't have any idea why it isn't working now.

>
>4. List, in descending order of generated volume, the top 5 components in
>terms
>of producing the most smoke when incorrectly connected.

Selenium rectifier
Big-ass Al 'Lytic
60Hz transformer
Oil-filled capacitor erroneously used for 810KHz RF service (NOT hypothetical)
"Flame-proof" resistor

>5. Give at least three examples of politically-incorrect color-code
>mnemonics.
>

You'll get more but: "Bad boys rape our young girls but violet gives willingly for silver and gold."

>6. How many "Dilbert" calendar pages are required to fully cover the walls
>of
>the average R&D engineer's cubicle?
>

Dunno. Not allowed. 32.


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Darryl Black

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How about this one,

After several weeks of testing you have isolated the cause of
a major bug, and a quick five minute alteration using a ball
point pen and an exacto knife will fix it, but ISO requires
you to use a new $300 tool that will take six weeks for delivery.
What do you do?


Bob Myers wrote:
>
> Jim Weir wrote in message <37034e06...@news.gv.net>...
>
> >You guys didn't dick with Tigger's head enough. A few answers that SOUND
> >technically right that are out-of-phase wrong but that we all (wink) agreed
> >on would have given him the grade he deserved.
> >
>

> No, what we REALLY need here is a test that checks to see if you're
> competent to deal with REAL-WORLD design issues. I will humbly
> (yeah, right) now offer a few example questions to get us started:
>
> 1. Your management has handed you a set of design specifications which
> violate all known laws of physics, including several from the "Star Trek"
> universe. What should you do?
>

> 2. Supplier A offers components which are technically superior and available
> at half the cost of supplier B's, but supplier B gives you better T-shirts.
> Whose
> party do you try to crash at Comdex?
>

> 3. Through basically clumsy application of a test probe and an unfortunate
> error
> regarding which terminal was the 400V supply, you have destroyed a prototype
> representing 300 man-months of effort and an R&D budget equal to that of
> some
> developing nations. Who should you blame this on, and how?
>

> 4. List, in descending order of generated volume, the top 5 components in
> terms
> of producing the most smoke when incorrectly connected.
>

> 5. Give at least three examples of politically-incorrect color-code
> mnemonics.
>

> 6. How many "Dilbert" calendar pages are required to fully cover the walls
> of
> the average R&D engineer's cubicle?
>

Sam Goldwasser

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In article <37028A...@ocmtech.com> Darryl Black <darryl...@ocmtech.com> writes:

> How about this one,

> After several weeks of testing you have isolated the cause of
> a major bug, and a quick five minute alteration using a ball
> point pen and an exacto knife will fix it, but ISO requires
> you to use a new $300 tool that will take six weeks for delivery.
> What do you do?

You order a Mil-Spec ball point pen. That should be about the right price. :)

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Mark Kinsler

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> Lights, lots of blinky lights and special effects, incorporate lasers if
>need be, and sound you need lots of sound (everytime you push a button it

>beeps) and the power supply has got to hum like it's sucking down 5000
>amps of power.

Ya wanna hear something sad? This is a perfect description of the
electrical exhibit at the Carnegie Science Center in Pittsburgh. They use
lasers of unexplained function across the ceiling and a big Tesla coil
that Carnegie-Mellon University gave them. Since the power supply of the
Tesla coil didn't make enough noise, they added a 60Hz fire alarm buzzer.
No explanations of anything are offered, as is generally the case
throughout the entire museum.

I'm afraid that CSC is quite typical of the average science museum in the
US these days. It's one of the reasons I started How Things Work.

> Both of them, because the one with the more expensive parts and T-shirts
>will have >better liquor, and the ones with the cheaper parts might have
>free samples, maybe some cheap liquor to get you started ;)

Is _anyone_ giving away junk at trade shows anymore? Things are
exceptionally thin in power engineering. I think I got a Reddy Kilowatt
worry squeeze ball, a pinwheel, and a pen at the IEEE Computers in Power
Systems conference.


>>3. Through basically clumsy application of a test probe and an
>unfortunate error regarding which terminal was the 400V supply, you
>have destroyed a prototype representing 300 man-months of effort and an
>R&D budget equal to that of some developing nations. Who should you
>blame this on, and how?

Circumstance. It wasn't me. It was working fine when I last touched it.
My brudder did it--he looks just like me!

>>4. List, in descending order of generated volume, the top 5 components in
>>terms
>>of producing the most smoke when incorrectly connected.

> Oil Filled Capacitors, oil filled transformers, transformers,


>electrolytic caps, and hmmm, maybe really big carbon resistors?

Those will do it. We were experimenting with aspirin tablets
rubber-cemented to 120 ohm 1/2 watt resistors for installation across the
power line in the audio console of a radio station I was at, but I don't
recall how that came out.

An excellent test. Thank you.

M Kinsler

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Or this one;

You are visiting a major customer with your company sales director. The
sales guy promises the customer something technically impossible to be
delivered ASAP. Do you;

A) Tell the customer the truth.

B) Keep quiet.

C) Transfer to sales because it pays more and no-one will point the
finger at you when it doesn't work.

Stephen


Darryl Black (darryl...@ocmtech.com) wrote:
: How about this one,

: After several weeks of testing you have isolated the cause of
: a major bug, and a quick five minute alteration using a ball
: point pen and an exacto knife will fix it, but ISO requires
: you to use a new $300 tool that will take six weeks for delivery.
: What do you do?


: Bob Myers wrote:
: >
: > Jim Weir wrote in message <37034e06...@news.gv.net>...
: >
: > >You guys didn't dick with Tigger's head enough. A few answers that SOUND
: > >technically right that are out-of-phase wrong but that we all (wink) agreed
: > >on would have given him the grade he deserved.
: > >
: >
: > No, what we REALLY need here is a test that checks to see if you're
: > competent to deal with REAL-WORLD design issues. I will humbly
: > (yeah, right) now offer a few example questions to get us started:
: >
: > 1. Your management has handed you a set of design specifications which
: > violate all known laws of physics, including several from the "Star Trek"
: > universe. What should you do?
: >
: > 2. Supplier A offers components which are technically superior and available
: > at half the cost of supplier B's, but supplier B gives you better T-shirts.
: > Whose
: > party do you try to crash at Comdex?

: >
: > 3. Through basically clumsy application of a test probe and an unfortunate


: > error
: > regarding which terminal was the 400V supply, you have destroyed a prototype
: > representing 300 man-months of effort and an R&D budget equal to that of
: > some
: > developing nations. Who should you blame this on, and how?

: >
: > 4. List, in descending order of generated volume, the top 5 components in


: > terms
: > of producing the most smoke when incorrectly connected.

: >
: > 5. Give at least three examples of politically-incorrect color-code

Carl D. Smith

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In article <LnvM2.345$YU1...@newsr2.twcny.rr.com>,
sarlock@no!spam.twcny.rr.com says...

> >6. How many "Dilbert" calendar pages are required to fully cover the walls
> >of
> >the average R&D engineer's cubicle?
>
> Uknown, I've never met an 'average' engineer :)

I don't know, but my boss keeps insisting that I am earning the salary
of an average engineer, so there must be one out there somewhere.

When I asked him how they arrived at that average, he said that HR had
determined the average salary for engineers in this area. He didn't
like it when I asked if that meant that since there aren't many
engineers in this area that they had averaged my two coworkers and I,
and then told us we were earning the average...


Doug

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c.c.t...@TakeXthisX.killspam.us.com wrote:
>
> Or this one;
>
> You are visiting a major customer with your company sales director. The
> sales guy promises the customer something technically impossible to be
> delivered ASAP. Do you;
>
> A) Tell the customer the truth.
>
> B) Keep quiet.
>
> C) Transfer to sales because it pays more and no-one will point the
> finger at you when it doesn't work.

Oh, this one is easy.

Make sure you inform your sales director that you
can't sign for the amount needed on the P.O. and
let the Director sign for it. Then, when the s**t
hits the fan, vaguely remember something about a
PO but that someone would have to be a complete
idiot to sign it. Make sure this happens in an
upper level staff meeting.

John Woodgate

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<37034e06...@news.gv.net>, Jim Weir <j...@rst-engr.com> inimitably
wrote:

>Doug <d...@not.spam>
>shared these priceless pearls of wisdom:
>
>->Tigger wrote:
>->>
>->> 1. In scales the ? converts the mechanical force acting on it into an
>->> electrical signal.
>
>->It's a mechanical converter, it's an A/D converter,
>->it slices, it dices, and cuts pipes, too!
>
>But WAIT, folks, there's more..............
>
>You guys didn't dick with Tigger's head enough. A few answers that SOUND
>technically right that are out-of-phase wrong but that we all (wink) agreed
>on would have given him the grade he deserved.
>
>Jim

We could have agreed that 'doohickey' was the answer to most of the
questions.

Doug White

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Keywords:
In article <37058615....@news2.global2000.net>, gwo...@albany.net (Gary Woods) wrote:
<"Bob Myers" <my...@fc.hp.com> wrote:
<snip>
<>3. Through basically clumsy application of a test probe and an =
<unfortunate
<>error
<>regarding which terminal was the 400V supply, you have destroyed a =

<prototype
<>representing 300 man-months of effort and an R&D budget equal to that of
<>some
<>developing nations. Who should you blame this on, and how?

When I was working as a tech in 1975, I asked my boss how he comes up with
cost estimates for a project. One of the things he factored in was that a
good technician 'can either install or burn out about $75 worth of parts a
day'.

I now work in microwaves, and my first tech blew out $750 work of custom
switches within his first 2 weeks, so I figured he was right on schedule.

Doug White

Jerry Margeson

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Doug wrote in message <7drrjh$ish$1...@news-1.news.gte.net>...

>Tigger wrote:
>>
>> 1. In scales the ? converts the mechanical force acting on it into an
>> electrical signal.
>> 2. An A/D converter converts ? .
>> 3. ? are temperature-sensitive resistors that are used for sensing heat.
>> 4. A ? converts the strain of a spring element into an equivalent change
in
>> resistance.
>> 5. The basic principle applied in bar code scanning is that of ? .
>> 6. What is the degree to which a load cell output can promptly return to
a
>> zero load state after an applied load?
>> 7. An oscilloscope displays two cycles of voltage wave form. To display
>> three cycles, decrease the ? .
>
>< chuckle ... >
>
>AH, the hell with it! I don't know about you all, but
>I'm having a hell of a time trying to figure out what
>this " ? " thing is that can do all this stuff.
>
>Must be one of them thare new fangled wiz-bang
>thing-a-ma-bobs.
>
>It's a mechanical converter, it's an A/D converter,
>it slices, it dices, and cuts pipes, too!


But it's not available in any stores...


Dave VanHorn

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>>Tigger wrote:
>>>
>>> 1. In scales the ? converts the mechanical force acting on it into
an
>>> electrical signal.
>>> 2. An A/D converter converts ? .
>>> 3. ? are temperature-sensitive resistors that are used for sensing
heat.
>>> 4. A ? converts the strain of a spring element into an equivalent
change
>in
>>> resistance.
>>> 5. The basic principle applied in bar code scanning is that of ? .
>>> 6. What is the degree to which a load cell output can promptly
return to
>a
>>> zero load state after an applied load?
>>> 7. An oscilloscope displays two cycles of voltage wave form. To
display
>>> three cycles, decrease the ? .

8. In schools, the ? does the homework?

Bill Rowe

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Apr 1, 1999, 3:00:00 AM4/1/99
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Gary Woods wrote:
>
> "Bob Myers" <my...@fc.hp.com> wrote:

> >5. Give at least three examples of politically-incorrect color-code
> >mnemonics.

> You'll get more but: "Bad boys rape our young girls but violet gives willingly for silver and gold."

So close but ... should read

"Bad boys rape our young girls but violet gives willingly. Get some
now."

Paul E. Bennett

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Apr 1, 1999, 3:00:00 AM4/1/99
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In article <37028A...@ocmtech.com>
darryl...@ocmtech.com "Darryl Black" writes:

> How about this one,
>
> After several weeks of testing you have isolated the cause of
> a major bug, and a quick five minute alteration using a ball
> point pen and an exacto knife will fix it, but ISO requires
> you to use a new $300 tool that will take six weeks for delivery.
> What do you do?

Simply rewrite the procedure so that you can use the cheaper tools. This
will of course mean that you send some time walking the new procedure
through the procedures update chain and, may take longer than the delivery
of the new expensive tool.

[%X]


> > 2. Supplier A offers components which are technically superior and available
> > at half the cost of supplier B's, but supplier B gives you better T-shirts.
> > Whose
> > party do you try to crash at Comdex?

The answer is both but in which order. I suggest that the order is do the
cheapo stand first (grabbing free samples in their carrier bag) and going
and use the cheapo (but good) products as a prod to the other company to
give you a pile of T-shirts anyway. Then, away from the show, order the best
VFM product you can lay your hands on (probably from company C, the rep of
which is a drinking buddy of yours).

> > 6. How many "Dilbert" calendar pages are required to fully cover the walls
> > of
> > the average R&D engineer's cubicle?

None. Average engineers don't get cubicles anymore since the financial
cut-backs meant that the screens are no longer affordable for such lowly
personnel. Project Managers are the ones in cubicles now.

--
Paul E. Bennett ................... <p...@tcontec.demon.co.uk>
Forth based HIDECS Consultancy
Tel: +44 (0)7971-620145
Going Forth Safely


Gareth Alun Evans

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Apr 2, 1999, 3:00:00 AM4/2/99
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>In article <37028A...@ocmtech.com>
> darryl...@ocmtech.com "Darryl Black" writes:
> How about this one,
> After several weeks of testing you have isolated the cause of
> a major bug, and a quick five minute alteration using a ball
> point pen and an exacto knife will fix it, but ISO requires
> you to use a new $300 tool that will take six weeks for delivery.
> What do you do?

A bug that has taken several weeks to isolate is an expensive
bug. A quick hack to cure it is inappropriate. The cure must involve
the expense of writing up a report in such a manner that expensive
time is not wasted again. The use of a $300 tool is not a
significant cost.


-----
England v Yugoslavia sanitises IRA v England.
England v Yugoslavia makes a mockery of
the Lockerbie Show Trial.
No war has been declared, the Geneva convention
does not apply. 3 USA soldiers deserve all they get.

Gareth Alun Evans

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Apr 2, 1999, 3:00:00 AM4/2/99
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Bill Rowe wrote in message <3703E2C0...@earthlink.net>...

Not enough close, I was taught.......
"Black Bastards Rape Our Young Girls But Virgins Go Without!"

Mark Kinsler

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Gareth Alun Evans <gar...@cemetery.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>England v Yugoslavia sanitises IRA v England.
>England v Yugoslavia makes a mockery of
>the Lockerbie Show Trial.
>No war has been declared, the Geneva convention
>does not apply. 3 USA soldiers deserve all they get.

Just a note to let you know that this did not pass unnoticed. We're
worried about our guys.

Jane Blam

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Apr 2, 1999, 3:00:00 AM4/2/99
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If Mr. Evans signature line is indicative of the Serbian mindset, then I have
been wrong. It's obvious that sending in ground troops will be necessary.

Robert Blackshaw

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Apr 2, 1999, 3:00:00 AM4/2/99
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Mark Kinsler wrote:
>
> Gareth Alun Evans <gar...@cemetery.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >England v Yugoslavia sanitises IRA v England.
> >England v Yugoslavia makes a mockery of
> >the Lockerbie Show Trial.
> >No war has been declared, the Geneva convention
> >does not apply. 3 USA soldiers deserve all they get.
>
> Just a note to let you know that this did not pass unnoticed. We're
> worried about our guys.
>
Amen, and if the original poster believes murdering women and
children, or sneaking across borders to grab people is legal
then he needs to remove his head and look around.

Bob

--
"Since when was genius found respectable?"
E. B. Browning

Michael Terrell

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Apr 2, 1999, 3:00:00 AM4/2/99
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Maybe someone should use that $300 tool to give you a total frontal
lobotomy, asshole!

Gareth Alun Evans wrote:

> >In article <37028A...@ocmtech.com>
> > darryl...@ocmtech.com "Darryl Black" writes:
> > How about this one,
> > After several weeks of testing you have isolated the cause of
> > a major bug, and a quick five minute alteration using a ball
> > point pen and an exacto knife will fix it, but ISO requires
> > you to use a new $300 tool that will take six weeks for delivery.
> > What do you do?
>
> A bug that has taken several weeks to isolate is an expensive
> bug. A quick hack to cure it is inappropriate. The cure must involve
> the expense of writing up a report in such a manner that expensive
> time is not wasted again. The use of a $300 tool is not a
> significant cost.
>
> -----

John Kirby

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Apr 3, 1999, 3:00:00 AM4/3/99
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"Gareth Alun Evans" <gar...@cemetery.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>Not enough close, I was taught.......
>"Black Bastards Rape Our Young Girls But Virgins Go Without!"

Not surprisingly that one says nothing about tolerance :-)

John


Dirk Bruere

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> > England v Yugoslavia sanitises IRA v England.
> > England v Yugoslavia makes a mockery of
> > the Lockerbie Show Trial.
> > No war has been declared, the Geneva convention
> > does not apply. 3 USA soldiers deserve all they get.

Couldn't agree more.
I think the best way of dealing with the situation is to let Milosevic
get on with it, otherwise these old ethnic feuds run and run. We need a
man like him to provide the final solution to the problem.

On our part, we should seal the borders against these refugees and
'asylum seekers'. I certainly don't want troublemaking scum coming to
England under the pretext of genocide.

Dirk

Mark Kinsler

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Apr 3, 1999, 3:00:00 AM4/3/99
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>On our part, we should seal the borders against these refugees and
>'asylum seekers'. I certainly don't want troublemaking scum coming to
>England under the pretext of genocide.

See if you can do a Web search on a fellow named Neville Chamberlain.

Gareth Alun Evans

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It is indicative of the HUMAN mind set. The actions of the Serbs
are no different from those of the USA and England in Diego Garcia.

Jane Blam wrote in message <3704CF8C...@earthlink.net>...


>If Mr. Evans signature line is indicative of the Serbian mindset, then I
have
>been wrong. It's obvious that sending in ground troops will be necessary.
>
>Mark Kinsler wrote:
>

>> Gareth Alun Evans <gar...@cemetery.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>> >England v Yugoslavia sanitises IRA v England.
>> >England v Yugoslavia makes a mockery of
>> >the Lockerbie Show Trial.
>> >No war has been declared, the Geneva convention
>> >does not apply. 3 USA soldiers deserve all they get.
>>

>> Just a note to let you know that this did not pass unnoticed. We're
>> worried about our guys.
>>

>> M Kinsler
>> --
>>
............................................................................
>> Athens, Ohio, USA. Home of the "How Things Work" educational program.
>> See http://www.frognet.net/~kinsler
>
>
>
>

-----

Gareth Alun Evans

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John Kirby wrote in message <37055...@mercury.nildram.co.uk>...

>"Gareth Alun Evans" <gar...@cemetery.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>Not enough close, I was taught.......
>>"Black Bastards Rape Our Young Girls But Virgins Go Without!"
>Not surprisingly that one says nothing about tolerance :-)


The issue of tolerance, or intolerance, is irrelevant.

Gareth Alun Evans

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Dirk Bruere wrote in message <37057CB8...@kbnet.co.uk>...

>> > England v Yugoslavia sanitises IRA v England.
>> > England v Yugoslavia makes a mockery of
>> > the Lockerbie Show Trial.
>> > No war has been declared, the Geneva convention
>> > does not apply. 3 USA soldiers deserve all they get.
>
>Couldn't agree more.
>I think the best way of dealing with the situation is to let Milosevic
>get on with it, otherwise these old ethnic feuds run and run.

There is a case for that. In most situations where there has
been war-mongering as an excuse for empire building,
and the colonial power has left, there is usually civil
unrest. The old tribal feuds have remained under the
false notion of a "Pax Romana".

This is true even in what may be the last of the
Britisher's empire building in Ireland.

> We need a
>man like him to provide the final solution to the problem.


I don't agree with that. If what is reported in the Western
World is true (and it ususally isn't) then Mr. Milosevic
has a lot to answer for. However, two wrongs don't
make a right, and the actions by Clinton and Blair lay
them open to a UN-led prosecution for war crimes.
England is no different to Serbia, for we recently had
prima facie evidence of war crimes in the Malvinas/
Falklands campaign, and these were hushed up in a political
furore.

>On our part, we should seal the borders against these refugees and
>'asylum seekers'. I certainly don't want troublemaking scum coming to
>England

I am afraid that you are too late. The murdering scum of the USA
are here already, RIFRAF Fairford being one of the viper's
nests.

Dirk Bruere

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Apr 3, 1999, 3:00:00 AM4/3/99
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Mark Kinsler wrote:
>
> >On our part, we should seal the borders against these refugees and
> >'asylum seekers'. I certainly don't want troublemaking scum coming to
> >England under the pretext of genocide.
>
> See if you can do a Web search on a fellow named Neville Chamberlain.

One of my Heroes!
If he had not been stabbed in the back by Churchill he could have kept
us out of that futile war.

Dirk

Jane Blam

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Apr 3, 1999, 3:00:00 AM4/3/99
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HUMAN mind set? I think not. To advocate the assassination of three soldiers
just to make a political statement. Soldiers who did not make the choice to be
where they are. I don't care what your personal axe to grind is, this smacks of
a Nazi mind set, not a human one.
Neil Blam

Gareth Alun Evans wrote:

> It is indicative of the HUMAN mind set. The actions of the Serbs
> are no different from those of the USA and England in Diego Garcia.
>
> Jane Blam wrote in message <3704CF8C...@earthlink.net>...
> >If Mr. Evans signature line is indicative of the Serbian mindset, then I
> have
> >been wrong. It's obvious that sending in ground troops will be necessary.
> >
> >Mark Kinsler wrote:
> >

> >> Gareth Alun Evans <gar...@cemetery.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> >> >England v Yugoslavia sanitises IRA v England.
> >> >England v Yugoslavia makes a mockery of
> >> >the Lockerbie Show Trial.
> >> >No war has been declared, the Geneva convention
> >> >does not apply. 3 USA soldiers deserve all they get.
> >>

> >> Just a note to let you know that this did not pass unnoticed. We're
> >> worried about our guys.
> >>
> >> M Kinsler
> >> --
> >>
> ............................................................................
> >> Athens, Ohio, USA. Home of the "How Things Work" educational program.
> >> See http://www.frognet.net/~kinsler
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

mel...@my-dejanews.com

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In article <923140549.4610.2...@news.demon.co.uk>,

"Gareth Alun Evans" <gar...@cemetery.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> John Kirby wrote in message <37055...@mercury.nildram.co.uk>...
> >"Gareth Alun Evans" <gar...@cemetery.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >>Not enough close, I was taught.......
> >>"Black Bastards Rape Our Young Girls But Virgins Go Without!"

The rhyme goes:

"Bad Boys Rape Our Young Girls But Virgins Go Without!"

or the Boy Scout Merit Badge Pamphlet Version:

"Better Be Good Or Your Great Big Venture Goes West."

> >Not surprisingly that one says nothing about tolerance :-)
>

Tolerance is more limited. Brown- 1% Red- 2% Gold- 5% Silver- 10% None- 20%

> The issue of tolerance, or intolerance, is irrelevant.
>

Tolerance is very relevant. Otherwise there might as well not be any color
bands at all.

> -----
> England v Yugoslavia sanitises IRA v England.
> England v Yugoslavia makes a mockery of
> the Lockerbie Show Trial.
> No war has been declared, the Geneva convention
> does not apply. 3 USA soldiers deserve all they get.

The Lockerbie Show Trial conceals the fact that the reason the parcel with the
bomb in it wasn't inspected was that the CIA thought it contained the usual
shipment of Heroin.

>
>

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Dave VanHorn

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>> The issue of tolerance, or intolerance, is irrelevant.
>>
>
>Tolerance is very relevant. Otherwise there might as well not be any
color
>bands at all.


Coming soon: PC resistors.. All the bands are the same color.


John Kirby

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"Gareth Alun Evans" <gar...@cemetery.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>John Kirby wrote in message <37055...@mercury.nildram.co.uk>...
>>"Gareth Alun Evans" <gar...@cemetery.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>Not enough close, I was taught.......
>>>"Black Bastards Rape Our Young Girls But Virgins Go Without!"

>>Not surprisingly that one says nothing about tolerance :-)

>The issue of tolerance, or intolerance, is irrelevant.

I was referring to the gold and silver bands in my own way :-)

John

Russell W. Patterson

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Please take this thread to private e-mail or alt.whereitbelongs.somewhere.else
and stop spamming these groups.

russ
rwpat...@tva.gov
http:\\www2.msstate.edu\~rwp1


Mark Kinsler

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Russell W. Patterson <rwpat...@tva.gov> wrote:
>Please take this thread to private e-mail or alt.whereitbelongs.somewhere.else
>and stop spamming these groups.

Whoops. Sorry, Russ (and sys-protection group)

I didn't notice that this was cross-posted to so many groups or I would
have eliminated a few of them. Only noticed the multitude of postings
when I looked in on .sys-protection this morning. I couldn't let the
crack about the captured soldiers, etc. go by without comment, though.

Mark Kinsler

John Coggins

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Will Brits be following this great advice for Ireland?

Dirk Bruere wrote in message <37057CB8...@kbnet.co.uk>...

>> > England v Yugoslavia sanitises IRA v England.
>> > England v Yugoslavia makes a mockery of
>> > the Lockerbie Show Trial.
>> > No war has been declared, the Geneva convention
>> > does not apply. 3 USA soldiers deserve all they get.
>

>Couldn't agree more.
>I think the best way of dealing with the situation is to let Milosevic

>get on with it, otherwise these old ethnic feuds run and run. We need a


>man like him to provide the final solution to the problem.
>

>On our part, we should seal the borders against these refugees and
>'asylum seekers'. I certainly don't want troublemaking scum coming to
>England under the pretext of genocide.
>

>Dirk


Ray Vanlandingham

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Gareth Alun Evans wrote in message
<923051693.8272.3...@news.demon.co.uk>...

>England v Yugoslavia sanitises IRA v England.
>England v Yugoslavia makes a mockery of
>the Lockerbie Show Trial.
>No war has been declared, the Geneva convention
>does not apply. 3 USA soldiers deserve all they get.


Hmm. So if you're visiting someone, and his neighbor walks over and shoots
you for trespassing, it's your fault? According to NATO, they were in
Macedonia.


John Woodgate

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<sNsN2.4991$033....@news.rdc1.il.home.com>, Dave VanHorn

<dvan...@cedar.net> inimitably wrote:
>Coming soon: PC resistors.. All the bands are the same color.

No, the bands are of different colours, but they all have the same
value. Since the value is averaged over all possible colours, it is
infinitesimal, thus conforming to the best PC principles.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
Phone +44 (0)1268 747839 Fax +44 (0)1268 777124.
Did you hear about the hungry genetic engineer who made a pig of himself?

Bruce Nepple

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Dave VanHorn wrote in message ...

>
>
>>> The issue of tolerance, or intolerance, is irrelevant.
>>>
>>
>>Tolerance is very relevant. Otherwise there might as well not be any
>color
>>bands at all.
>
>
>Coming soon: PC resistors.. All the bands are the same color.
>
WRONG! They will still be different colors. The manufacturer just can't
assign values to the colors.


bruce

Dirk Bruere

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Apr 4, 1999, 4:00:00 AM4/4/99
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John Coggins wrote:
>
> Will Brits be following this great advice for Ireland?

The Protestant majority in the North tried it in 69 by burning the
Catholic majority out of their houses while the police stood by and did
nothing. That was the original reason the govt sent in troops - to
protect the Catholic minority.

Of course, had we not done so there would be no ethnic problem today,
would there?

Dirk

Bob Stephens

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Apr 5, 1999, 3:00:00 AM4/5/99
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Love it. The way I have always heard it is:
"Bad boys rape our young girls but Violet gives willingly -
for silver and gold"

Who says engineers aren't tolerant of color?

--
Bob Stephens |"Just machines that make big
7371...@compuserve.com |decisions. Programmed by fellas
|with compassion and vision".
| - D. Fagen

MAT

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Apr 7, 1999, 3:00:00 AM4/7/99
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Bruce Nepple wrote:

Wrong again! With most new designs going SMD, they are numbered, and the
color of the numbers tells you it's 1% OR 1/10% (White on Black, or Yellow
on Green)

By the way, did anyone ever think 1/10% resistors would be common, and cost
less than a US dollar?


Tom MacIntyre

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MAT <ter...@cde.com> wrote:

I think the hidden meaning got lost somewhere here...

Tom

David Milne

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Here's one.

Imagine you are a technician, with what modestly could be called experience
in a particular electronics field. Not academically qualified to be an engineer
but have enough experience to adequately practice as one in your field of
expertise.

An engineer comes into your workplace to improve the workings and efficiency
of a particular high priced piece (eg ~$5000) of equipment that your company
constructs and markets. He subsequently reduces the efficiciency, increases
the component count and cost of the item in question in spite of queries and
demonstrations by you using the equipment, as to the wisdom of his changes.
He also adds components to create circuits that have functions that can be
served by more far more efficient methods.

Management don't appear to be aware, or really care, as long as the new
engineer is appearing to do his job. Management are not electronic engineering
types, they just manage the company. The item in question is not a high quantity

selling item.

How do you overcome your frustrations and try to initiate genuine improvements
when your engineer is hostile to your suggestions (as you are only a technician,
and
are here to support me) and management do not look kindly at bypassing the
chain of command?

Leaving the company is too simplistic as you believe in the equipment's
potential
to be a big hit if improved correctly.

Bob Myers wrote:

> Jim Weir wrote in message <37034e06...@news.gv.net>...
>
> 1. Your management has handed you a set of design specifications which
> violate all known laws of physics, including several from the "Star Trek"
> universe.  What should you do?

"Nay, Captain, ye canna change the laws of physics, the laws of physics,the laws
of physics, Jim. !"

> 2. Supplier A offers components which are technically superior and available
> at half the cost of supplier B's, but supplier B gives you better T-shirts.
> Whose party do you try to crash at Comdex?

The one with the free beer and the girls with the big tits.

> 3. Through basically clumsy application of a test probe and an unfortunate
> error regarding which terminal was the 400V supply, you have destroyed a
> prototype
> representing 300 man-months of effort and an R&D budget equal to that of
> some developing nations.  Who should you blame this on, and how?

Claim you've had an electric shock due to unsafe work area practices andthreaten
to sue the arse off everyone who had anything to do with the
device's development. Show up to work next day with a lawyer from
a firm that specialises in industrial relations litigation.

> 4. List, in descending order of generated volume, the top 5 components in
> terms of producing the most smoke when incorrectly connected.

1. Your boss when he hears about the law suit.2.
3.
4.
5.

> 5. Give at least three examples of politically-incorrect color-code
> mnemonics.

They are pretty obvious, so there's no need to refer to them again.

> 6. How many "Dilbert" calendar pages are required to fully cover the walls
> of the average R&D engineer's cubicle?

Dilbert? Is he the dog or the guy?I'm not a regular peruser of Dilbert comics.

> Bob M.
> Bob Myers                          | Opinions expressed here are
> Microdisplay Products Operation    | not those of HP, or even
> Hewlett-Packard                    | necessarily those of the
> Ft. Collins, CO    my...@fc.hp.com | author.

--
Regards

David Milne
 


Sid Washer

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I'd appreciate it if someone would repost the test (without political
addenda) because it's disappeared already from the NG.
TIA, sid

Lenny

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I worked for an engineer who questioned why I had to use the restroom on
company time. The engineer? First put nails under his tires. Dump sugar
in the gas tank, sand in the crankcase, the usual things. If that doesnt
work, have the son of a bitch killed.

Pat Ford

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Lenny <captain...@hotmail.com> wrote in article
<370CEB...@hotmail.com>...

wow can you say disgruntled

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Keith Wootten

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In article <WWdGIhBi...@jmwa.demon.co.uk>, John Woodgate
<j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk> writes

><sNsN2.4991$033....@news.rdc1.il.home.com>, Dave VanHorn
><dvan...@cedar.net> inimitably wrote:
>>Coming soon: PC resistors.. All the bands are the same color.
>
>No, the bands are of different colours, but they all have the same
>value. Since the value is averaged over all possible colours, it is
>infinitesimal, thus conforming to the best PC principles.

You mean ... 'Resistance is useless'? It's hard to imagine now, but at
one time even *that* joke must have been original.

Cheers
--
Keith Wootten

Gyro Gearloose

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OK, quiz kid, I'll byte. ;->


On Sun, 28 Mar 1999 20:46:17 -0600, "Tigger" <xav...@dtgnet.com>
wrote:

>1. In scales the ? converts the mechanical force acting on it into an
>electrical signal.

strane gayge transcendental deucer


>2. An A/D converter converts ? .

"Adam" to "Dddm", for example.


>3. ? are temperature-sensitive resistors that are used for sensing
heat.

Radio Shack cat. no. 276-110


>4. A ? converts the strain of a spring element into an equivalent
change in
>resistance.

potentiometer hooked to the spring through a rack-and-pinion assy.


>5. The basic principle applied in bar code scanning is that of ? .

very careful data entry and inventory assesment, else it's useless


>6. What is the degree to which a load cell output can promptly return
to a
>zero load state after an applied load?

the degree to which the load is subsequently removed


>7. An oscilloscope displays two cycles of voltage wave form. To
display
>three cycles, decrease the ? .

period of the applied signal


>8. What is an EEPROM? (what do the letters stand for?)

It's like a little tiny battery-backed RAM, but alot slower. EWE
should know that - BYE now.


>9. An optical coupler has the advantage of: A)very high speed. B)
operating
>with voltage, but no current. C) low power requirement. D) very high
>isolation resistance.

If it's one that I Jerry-rigged from an old CDS photocell and PR-2 lamp,
then :

E) none of the above.


>10. Which of the following operates with reverse voltage but not
reverse
>current: A) Zener diode. B) Diac. C) Varactor diode. D) Triac.

This question isn't fair, because C) and D) can pass AC without
breaking down.


>11. A Wheatstone bridge is usually used for accurate measurement of:
A)
>resistance. B) current. C) voltage. D) power.

E) wheat F) barley G) precious metal assay values H) stones
J) both (E) and (H)
so, I'd say: a,b,c, or j .


>12. You would expect to find a snubber in: A) a triac with resistive
load.
>B) an SCR circuit with an inductive load. C) direct-coupled bipolar
>transistor amplifier. D) a power supply ferroresonant transformer
circuit.

E) a washing machine F) a travel agency G) the Pentagon


>13. In an NPN transistor, the base should be: A) positive, with
respect to
>the collector. B) negative, with respect to the collector. C) both A
& B are
>correct. D) Neither A or B are correct.

I usually tie the collector and base together, and use them as zeners
or fuses


>14. To find peak voltage you multiply the R.M.S. value by .7. A)
True. B)
>False.

(B) false. It depends on the waveform. Furthermore, with a sinusoidal
wave, it's the square root of two, not "0.7", "0.707", etc.


>15. The base-collector junction of a transistor is normally: A)
always some
>form of hot carrier. B) reverse biased. C) forward biased. D) always
>passivated.

To what kind of transistor are you referring?
How do you intend to use it?


>16. To forward bias a semiconductor diode: A) should never be done,
it will
>damage the diode. B) it’s triode is made positive. C) it’s anode is
made
>negative, with respect to the cathode. D) it’s anode is made
positive, with
>respect to the cathode.

If the diode is too small, A.
If the diode is soldered in backwards, C.
If the diode is installed correctly and used normally, D.


>17. A demultiplexer: A) converts data from binary to BCD. B) channels
>several data lines to a lesser number of outputs C) takes data from
only one
>source. D) reduces the input voltage level. E) does the same thing as
a
>flip-flop.

It can do a lot of things. I would say the exact opposite of (b), but
not necessarily (c).


>18. An internal , short-term memory in a microprocessor might be
called a:
>A) a CPU. B) an address. C) a latch. D) a register. E) a decoder.

F) a PIC G) a stamp H) who gives a rat's ass?


>19. A certain counter is made with five flip-flops. What is the
highest
>decimal number the counter could display? A) 23. B) 31. C) 15. D)
464. E)
>25.

how many flavors was Baskin-Robbins famous for in the '70s in the USA?


>20. Which of the following conducts in either of two directions? A)
NPN
>transistors. B) triacs. C) SCR’s. D) bipolar transistors.

All of them, if the voltage is high enough.


>21. Which of the following is a method of detecting errors? A) matrix
code.
>B) bit slice. C) parity. D) decoding. E) erdit.

F) purity G) any of the above could be used

purity is simply a protocol, which monks and nuns are supposed to use.


>22. When a memory is made so that it is stored in a charged or
uncharged
>capacitor, it is called: A) static memory. B) dynamic memory. C) both
A & B
>are correct. D) neither A or B are correct.

duh, don't capacitors store static electricity?


>23. An advantage of parallel data handling is: A) speed. B) less
circuitry
>required. C) A & B. D) neither A or B are correct.

If parallel is so damn fast, then why are printers and CD-Rs so
fucking slow?


>24. Whenever the base of a transistor is the same voltage as the
emitter,
>the transistor is: A) saturated. B) operating normally. C) cut off.
D)
>free-running.

E) out of the circuit


>25. A certain meter is rated 100,000 ohms per volt. This means: A)
the
>impedance of the meter is 100,000 ohms for each volt being measured.
B) the
>full scale deflection of the meter movement is 10 microamperes. C) A
& B. D)
>neither A or B are correct.

I wish my Simpson or Triplett could match that. On the other hand,
active meters, such as DVMs and VTVMs simply have a flat input
impedance, usually.
Radio Shack sells kick-ass meters thet rival Fluke, SD, and Beckman,
at a fraction of the cost. You really should give them a try sometime.


>26. To measure the emitter to base voltage of a PNP transistor,
connect the
>positive lead of the voltmeter to the: A) transistor base. B)
transistor
>emitter. C) transistor collector. D) chassis ground. E) VCC.

either A or B, unless you're using that damn Simpson 260 mentioned
above,
then B only, provided it's not in one of my circuits, in which case A,
because it's probably being used as a zener.


>27. An oscilloscope shows that the peak-to-peak voltage of a sawtooth
>waveform is 10 volts. The R.M.S. value of the voltage: A) is 7.07. B)
is
>.707. C) is .07. D) cannot be determined from the information given.

Get down the ramp, tramp!


>28. A meter movement with a full scale deflection reading of 10
microamperes
>is used as a voltmeter. The meter has a rating of: A) 10,000 ohms per
volt.
>B) 20,000 ohms per volt. C) 50,000 ohms per volt. D) 100,000 ohms per
volt.
>E) undetermined from the information given.

Eeeeeeeee, I'll have to think about that one.


>29. What is the BCD 0001 1001 1001 0001 , in decimal?

BCD is what you might get from the military with questions like that,
especially if you took this test in 1991.


>30. What is the decimal 29, in octal?

What do Christmas and Halloween have in common?
Why could computer programmers conceivably confuse the two dates?

Hint: OCT 31 = DEC 25

Go away. You bug me with your silly questions.


>31. What is the octal 735, in decimal?

Here we go again. Get a clue.


>Add the following hexidecimal numbers:
>32. 4D3 + 818= ? .
>33. 789 + C47= ? .
>34. F347 + E006= ? .

Ok. I did it. Now what?


>Add the following binary numbers:
>35. 1101 + 0101 = ? .
>36. 0001 + 1000 = ? .
>37. 1111 + 1111 = ? .

Ok. Now what?

>Subtract the following binary numbers:
>38. 1110 – 0101 = ? .
>39. 0100 – 0011 = ? .
>40. 1001 – 0110 = ? .

Ok. Now what?


>41. The schematic symbol for an I.C. tells you: A) all electrical
>characteristics of the I.C. B) the general function of the I.C. C)
the I.C.’
>s physical size. D) how the I.C. is connected internally.

It depends on the connotation of "symbol".


>42. Two capacitors in series result in a larger value than the same
two
>capacitors in parallel. A) True. B) False.

For impedance or reactance, A.

For capacitance, B.


>43. Hexidecimal is a number system with a base of ? .

Hex.


>44. What does the term “COMPLIMENT” mean when referring to
flip-flops?

A complimentary flip-flop is one that is included free with you order
from "Hoo-chi-mung Electronics".


>45. Is a monostable multivibrator the same as a one shot?

No. It can be used over and over again. I have an old circuit with a
74121 that is still going strong after 26 years!
A fuse, on the other hand, well, that's a different story!


>46. What type of waveform does an astable multivibrator output?

one that is not necessarily stable


>47. Does an astable multivibrator need a trigger to operate?

That's a loaded question! If it's a horizontal oscillator, try to
watch TV without the trigger!


>48. A bistable multivibrator requires a positive trigger to set the
output
>high. What is needed to set the output low?

um, a positive trigger to the opposite input?


>
>


Is there anything else I can help you with?
- --
-John


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Ray Vanlandingham

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On Thu, 08 Apr 1999 12:25:55 -0700, Sid Washer <sw...@is4.nyu.edu>
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>I'd appreciate it if someone would repost the test (without political
>addenda) because it's disappeared already from the NG.

Search www.dejanews.com for <rQBL2.9933$jD1....@newsfeed.slurp.net>.

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Ray Vanlandingham

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The Sex life of an Electron
by Eddie Currents

One night when his charge was pretty high, Micro-Farad decided to seek
out a cute little coil to help him discharge.

He picked up Milli-Amp and took her for a ride in his Megacycle. They
rode across the Wheatstone Bridge and stopped by a Magnetic field with
flowing currents and frolicked in the sine waves.

Micro-Farad, attracted by Millie-Amp's characteristic curves soon had
her fully charged and proceeded to excite her resistance to a minimum.
He gently laid her at ground potential, raised her frequency and
lowered her reluctance.

With a quick arc, he pulled out his high voltage probe and inserted it
in her socket, connecting them in parallel. He slowly began short
circuiting her resistance shunt while quickly raising her thermal
conductance level to mill-spec. Fully excited, Milli- Amp mumbled
"MHO...MHO...MHO"

With his tube operating well into class C, and her field vibrating
with his current flow, a corona formed which instantly caused her
shunt to overheat just at the point when Micro-Farad rapidly
discharged and drained off every electron into her grid.

They fluxed all night trying various connectors and sockets until his
magnet had a soft core and lost all of its field strength.

Afterwards, Milli-Amp tried self-induction and damaged her solenoids
and with his battery fully discharged, Micro-Farad was unable to
excite his field. Not ready to be quiescent, they spent the rest of
the evening reversing polarity and blowing each others fuses.

BUT WAIT!!! There's M O R E !


===============================

Micro was a real-time operator and dedicated multi-user. His
broad-band protocol made it easy for him to interface with numerous
input/output devices, even if it meant time-sharing.

One evening he arrived home just as the sun was crashing, and had
parked his Motorola 68000 in the main drive (he had missed the S100
bus that morning), when he noticed an elegant piece of liveware
admiring the daisy wheels in his garden. He thought to himself, "She
looks user-friendly. I'll see if she'd like an update tonight."

Mini was her name. She was delightfully engineered with eyes like
COBOL and a Prime mainframe architecture that set Micro's peripherals
networking all over the place.

He browsed over to her casually, admiring the power of her twin,
32-bit floating point processors and enquired, "How are you,
Honeywell?" "Yes, I am well," she responded, batting her optical
fibers engagingly and smoothing her console over her curvilinear
functions.

Micro settled for a straight line approximation. "I'm stand-alone
tonight," he said. "How about computing a vector to my base address?
I'll output a byte to eat, and maybe we could get offset later on."
Mini ran a priority process for 2.6 milliseconds then transmitted 8K.
"I've been dumped myself recently, and a new page is just what I need
to refresh my disks. I'll park my machine cycle in your background and
meet you inside." She walked off, leaving Micro admiring her solenoids
and thinking, "Wow, what a global variable. I wonder if she'd like my
firmware?"

They sat down at the process table to a top of form feed of fiche and
chips and a bucket of Baudot. Mini was in conversational mode and
expanded on ambiguous arguments while Micro gave occasional
acknowledgments, although in reality he was analyzing the shortest and
least critical path to her entry point. He finally settled on the
old,'Would you like to see my benchmark routine?' but Mini was again
one step ahead.

Suddenly she was up and stripping off her parity bits to reveal the
full functionality of her operating system software. "Let's get BASIC,
you RAM," she said. Micro was loaded by this stage, but his hardware
policing module had a processor of its own and was in danger of
overflowing its output buffer, a hangup that Micro had consulted his
analyst about. "Core," was all he could say, as she prepared to log
him off.

Micro soon recovered, however, when Mini went down on the DEC and
opened her divide files to reveal her data set ready. He accessed his
fully packed root device and was just about to start pushing into her
CPU stack, when she attempted an escape sequence.

"No, no!" she cried. "You're not shielded!"
"Reset, baby," he replied, "I've been debugged."
"But I haven't got my current loop enabled, and I can't support child
processes," she protested.
"Don't run away," he said, "I'll generate an interrupt."
"No, that's too error prone, and I can't abort because of my design
philosophy."

Micro was locked in by this stage, though, and could not be turned
off. But Mini soon stopped his thrashing by introducing a voltage
spike into his main supply, whereupon he fell over with a head crash
and went to sleep. "Computers!" she thought as she compiled herself.
"All they ever think about is hex."


----- T H E E N D -----

sawfilter

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magic smoke

magic smoke /n./ A substance trapped inside IC packages that enables
them to function (also called `blue smoke'; this is similar to the
archaic `phlogiston' hypothesis about combustion).
Its existence is demonstrated by what happens when a chip burns up --
the magic smoke gets let out, so it doesn't work any more. See smoke
test, let the smoke out.

Usenetter Jay Maynard tells the following story: "Once, while hacking
on a dedicated Z80 system, I was testing code by blowing EPROMs and
plugging them in the system, then seeing
what happened. One time, I plugged one in backwards. I only discovered
that *after* I realized that Intel didn't put power-on lights under
the quartz windows on the tops of their
EPROMs -- the die was glowing white-hot. Amazingly, the EPROM worked
fine after I erased it, filled it full of zeros, then erased it again.
For all I know, it's still in service. Of course,
this is because the magic smoke didn't get let out." Compare the
original phrasing of Murphy's Law.

Gary Levell

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Ray Vanlandingham wrote in message <7epu2u$qj4$1...@autumn.news.rcn.net>...

>The Sex life of an Electron
>by Eddie Currents

<snip>

On a similar theme

The Tail of Polly Nomial

Once upon a time (1/T) pretty little Polly Nomial was strolling across a
field of vectors when she came to the boundary of a singularly large matrix.
Now Polly Nomial was convergent, and her mother had made it an absolute
condition that she must never enter such an array without her brackets on.

Polly, however, who had changed her variables that morning and was
feeling particularly badly behaved, ignored this condition on the basis
that it was insufficient and made her way amongst the complex elements.

Rows and columns closed in on her from all sides. Tangents approached
her surface. She became tensor and tensor. Quite suddenly, two branches
of a hyperbola touched at a single point. She oscillated violently, lost all
sense of directorix, and went completely divergent. As she reached a
turning point, she tripped over a square root that was protruding from
the erf and plunged headlong down a steep gradient. When she rounded
off once more, she found herself inverted apparently alone in a
non-Euclidean space.

She was being watched, however, by that smooth operator, Curly Pi,
who was lurking inner product. As his eyes devoured her curvilinear
coordinates, a singular expression crossed his face. He wondered,
was she still convergent? He decided to integrate improperly at
once. Hearing a common fraction behind her, Polly rotated and
saw Curly Pi approaching with his power series extrapolated.

She could see at once by his degenerate conic and his dissipative
terms that he was set for no good.

"Arcsinh!" she gasped.

"Ho, ho," he said. "What a symmetric little asymptote you have; I
can see that your angles have lots of secs."

"Oh, sir," she protested, "keep away from me. I haven't got my brackets on."

"Calm yourself, my dear," said our suave operator, "Your fears are purely
imaginery."

"I, I," she thought, "Perhaps he's not normal, but homologous."

"What order are you?" the brute demanded.

"Seventeen," replied Polly.

Curly leered. "I suppose you've never been operated on?"

"Of course not," Polly replied quite properly, "I am absolutely convergent."

"Come, come," said Curly Pi. Let's go off to a decimal place I know and I'll
take
you to the limit."

"Never," gasped Polly.

"Abscissa!" he swore, using the vilest oath he knew. His patience was gone.
Coshing her over the coefficient with a log until she was powerless, Curly
removed her discontinuities. He stared at her significant places and began
soothing her points of inflection. Poor Polly! The algorithmic method was
now her only hope. She felt his hand tending to her asymtotic limit. Her
convergence would soon be gone forever.

There was no mercy, for Curly was a heavyside operator. Curly's radius
squared itself; Polly's loci quivered. He integrated by parts. He integrated
by partial fractions. After he cofactor, he performed Runge-Kutta on her.
The complex beast even went all the way around and did a contour
integration.
What an indignity to be multiply connected on her first integration. Curly
went
on operating until he had satisified his hypothesis, then he exponentiated
and became completely orthogonal.

When Polly got home that night, her mother noticed that she was no longer
piece-wise continuous but had been truncated in several places. But it was
too late to differentiate now. As the months went by, Polly's denominator
increased monotonically. Finally she went to the hospital and generated a
small but pathological function which left surds all over the place and
drove
Polly to seek analysis.

~~~ END ~~~

wonder_...@yahoo.com

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In article <923140550.4610.3...@news.demon.co.uk>,

"Gareth Alun Evans" <gar...@cemetery.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Dirk Bruere wrote in message <37057CB8...@kbnet.co.uk>...

> >> > England v Yugoslavia sanitises IRA v England.
> >> > England v Yugoslavia makes a mockery of
> >> > the Lockerbie Show Trial.
> >> > No war has been declared, the Geneva convention
> >> > does not apply. 3 USA soldiers deserve all they get.
> >
> >Couldn't agree more.
> >I think the best way of dealing with the situation is to let Milosevic
> >get on with it, otherwise these old ethnic feuds run and run.
>
> There is a case for that. In most situations where there has
> been war-mongering as an excuse for empire building,
> and the colonial power has left, there is usually civil
> unrest. The old tribal feuds have remained under the
> false notion of a "Pax Romana".
>
> This is true even in what may be the last of the
> Britisher's empire building in Ireland.

>
> > We need a
> >man like him to provide the final solution to the problem.
>
> I don't agree with that. If what is reported in the Western
> World is true (and it ususally isn't) then Mr. Milosevic
> has a lot to answer for. However, two wrongs don't
> make a right, and the actions by Clinton and Blair lay
> them open to a UN-led prosecution for war crimes.
> England is no different to Serbia, for we recently had
> prima facie evidence of war crimes in the Malvinas/
> Falklands campaign, and these were hushed up in a political
> furore.

>
> >On our part, we should seal the borders against these refugees and
> >'asylum seekers'. I certainly don't want troublemaking scum coming to
> >England
>
> I am afraid that you are too late. The murdering scum of the USA
> are here already, RIFRAF Fairford being one of the viper's
> nests.

Really? How much jimson weed do you have to smoke to really believe that, or
do you have to lick toads, too? (Fuckhead brit...)


>
> -----


> England v Yugoslavia sanitises IRA v England.
> England v Yugoslavia makes a mockery of
> the Lockerbie Show Trial.
> No war has been declared, the Geneva convention
> does not apply. 3 USA soldiers deserve all they get.
>
>

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Ken Williams

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> magic smoke
>
> magic smoke /n./ A substance trapped inside IC packages that enables
> them to function (also called `blue smoke'; this is similar to the
> archaic `phlogiston' hypothesis about combustion).
> Its existence is demonstrated by what happens when a chip burns up --
> the magic smoke gets let out, so it doesn't work any more. See smoke
> test, let the smoke out.

This is the renowned "Smoke Theory of electronics."

Theory:

Hypothesis: All Electrical components are MFGd with smoke inside them.

Supporting Evidence. Component failure is usually preceded be a release of
smoke by that object. NOTE: sometimes that smoke is not visible or observed]

Synthesis: It's the smoke that allows them to have Electrical Function.

Conclusion: If you let all the smoke out of an electrical component, if will
cease to operate.

Jordin Kare

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In article <7f4vlb$8bi$1...@ultranews.duc.auburn.edu>, "Ken Williams"
<k...@shieldprod.org> wrote:

> sawfilter <sawf...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:37114cad.98905037@news-server...

> > magic smoke
> >
> > magic smoke /n./ A substance trapped inside IC packages that enables
> > them to function (also called `blue smoke'; this is similar to the
> > archaic `phlogiston' hypothesis about combustion).
> > Its existence is demonstrated by what happens when a chip burns up --
> > the magic smoke gets let out, so it doesn't work any more. See smoke
> > test, let the smoke out.
>

> This is the renowned "Smoke Theory of electronics."

Reminds me of a comment in a book on do-it-yourself computer maintenance:

"If there's white smoke coming out of your disk drive, you probably have a
hardware problem. Unless, of course, your disk drive has just been
elected Pope."

Jordin Kare

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