Was Jesus a forgotten warranty?
E. L.
Re: Was Jesus a forgotten warrior?
Group: alt.alien.research Date: Sun, Jan 20, 2002, 12:32pm (EST+5) From:
chr...@hotmail.com (Amy Lynn)
On Sun, 20 Jan 2002 01:41:08 -0600, Carl Wilson <ca...@kook-watch.net>
wrote:
<snip>
I know that you are a bitter atheist who likes to poke fun at Christians
el: "Atheists are not bitter, atheists are some of the happiest humans,
something you cannot understand since you are mired in your 'guilt.'
Besides, if one cannot poke fun at christians who can you poke fun at?"
and those who are oppresed by *aliens* (malignant spiritual beings as
Koenig was sweet enough to explain), but the truth is this: Just because
you choose not to believe in God does NOT mean that He does not exist,
and it certainly, in NO way, negates His sacrificial death on the cross
for your sins.
el: "Who are we talking about here? God didn't die on the 'cross,'
Jesus is alleged to have and he was the alleged son of god. Get your
bible personalities straight. And, please, show me your evidence of god.
Impossible."
<snippedrestofreligiouscrap>
Amy Lynn
el: "In your spiritual blindness you don't seem aware that god was a
jewish god in a land far away from the rest of the world. What happened
there has no relationship to all of the other humans on the planet. If
you are jewish you might believe in god 'cause that's who the god is.
The Incans, the Mayans, the Africans, etc., didn't have THAT god. They
had their own, just as bad in some cases. So don't use this god
bullshit for the whole world. Keep him in Israel."
Amy Lynn
wrote:
>
>Re: Was Jesus a forgotten warrior?
>
>Group: alt.alien.research Date: Sun, Jan 20, 2002, 12:32pm (EST+5) From:
>chr...@hotmail.com (Amy=A0Lynn)
>On Sun, 20 Jan 2002 01:41:08 -0600, Carl Wilson <ca...@kook-watch.net>
>wrote:
><snip>
>I know that you are a bitter atheist who likes to poke fun at Christians
>
>
>el: "Atheists are not bitter, atheists are some of the happiest humans,
>something you cannot understand since you are mired in your 'guilt.'
>Besides, if one cannot poke fun at christians who can you poke fun at?"
So you have this driving need to poke fun at something...interesting..
>and those who are oppresed by *aliens* (malignant spiritual beings as
>Koenig was sweet enough to explain), but the truth is this: Just because
>you choose not to believe in God does NOT mean that He does not exist,
>and it certainly, in NO way, negates His sacrificial death on the cross
>for your sins.
>
>el: "Who are we talking about here? God didn't die on the 'cross,'
>Jesus is alleged to have and he was the alleged son of god. Get your
>bible personalities straight. And, please, show me your evidence of god.
>Impossible."
God became man in the person of Jesus Christ. His miracles were His
authenticity while His resurrection demonstrated His veracity.
><snippedrestofreligiouscrap>
>Amy Lynn
>
>
>el: "In your spiritual blindness you don't seem aware that god was a
>jewish god in a land far away from the rest of the world. What happened
>there has no relationship to all of the other humans on the planet. If
>you are jewish you might believe in god 'cause that's who the god is.
>The Incans, the Mayans, the Africans, etc., didn't have THAT god. They
>had their own, just as bad in some cases. So don't use this god
>bullshit for the whole world. Keep him in Israel."
>
Wrong..His ministry, death, resurrection and subsequent atonement was
for the Jew as well as the Gentile. He even died for you and loves
you, el!!! He didn't just die for the Israelites, though He did come
in fulfillment of the passover feast. Isn't it interesting how the
rest of human culture celebrates a holiday in the wake of some
event..Take Independance Day, for example. Americans celebrate July
4th in honor and memorial to the day that we became a sovereign
nation. The Jewish people were given their holidays by God and
celebrated the passover years and years before the prefigured event
took place.
Amy Lynn
"Hatred Stirs up strife, But love covers all sins." Prov 10:12
"I know that whatever God does, It shall be forever. Nothing can be added to it, and nothing taken from it." Ecc. 3:14
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life." Jn 3:16
Carl Wilson
>On Tue, 22 Jan 2002 17:50:45 -0500 (EST), nyce...@webtv.net (E. L.)
>wrote:
>
>>
>>Re: Was Jesus a forgotten warrior?
>>
>>Group: alt.alien.research Date: Sun, Jan 20, 2002, 12:32pm (EST+5) From:
>>chr...@hotmail.com (Amy=A0Lynn)
>>On Sun, 20 Jan 2002 01:41:08 -0600, Carl Wilson <ca...@kook-watch.net>
>>wrote:
>><snip>
>>I know that you are a bitter atheist who likes to poke fun at Christians
>>
>>
>>el: "Atheists are not bitter, atheists are some of the happiest humans,
>>something you cannot understand since you are mired in your 'guilt.'
>>Besides, if one cannot poke fun at christians who can you poke fun at?"
>
>So you have this driving need to poke fun at something...interesting..
Well, religious nut cases like yourself don't have any other redeeming
value...
>>and those who are oppresed by *aliens* (malignant spiritual beings as
>>Koenig was sweet enough to explain), but the truth is this: Just because
>>you choose not to believe in God does NOT mean that He does not exist,
>>and it certainly, in NO way, negates His sacrificial death on the cross
>>for your sins.
>>
>>el: "Who are we talking about here? God didn't die on the 'cross,'
>>Jesus is alleged to have and he was the alleged son of god. Get your
>>bible personalities straight. And, please, show me your evidence of god.
>>Impossible."
>
>God became man in the person of Jesus Christ. His miracles were His
>authenticity while His resurrection demonstrated His veracity.
So then God really did have to kill himself to appease himself, so
that he wouldn't have to roast us (his beloved creations) alive
for all eternity, except that he didn't really die?
>><snippedrestofreligiouscrap>
>>Amy Lynn
>>
>>
>>el: "In your spiritual blindness you don't seem aware that god was a
>>jewish god in a land far away from the rest of the world. What happened
>>there has no relationship to all of the other humans on the planet. If
>>you are jewish you might believe in god 'cause that's who the god is.
>>The Incans, the Mayans, the Africans, etc., didn't have THAT god. They
>>had their own, just as bad in some cases. So don't use this god
>>bullshit for the whole world. Keep him in Israel."
>>
>
>Wrong..His ministry, death, resurrection and subsequent atonement was
>for the Jew as well as the Gentile.
Except that most of those Jews alive and present at the time this
supposedly happened didn't get caught up in the cult of Jesus for some
"odd" reason. The cult really didn't seem to catch on except in
places far away from where these events allegedly took place. Rather
odd don't you think?
>He even died for you and loves
>you, el!!! He didn't just die for the Israelites, though He did come
>in fulfillment of the passover feast. Isn't it interesting how the
>rest of human culture celebrates a holiday in the wake of some
>event..Take Independance Day, for example. Americans celebrate July
>4th in honor and memorial to the day that we became a sovereign
>nation. The Jewish people were given their holidays by God and
>celebrated the passover years and years before the prefigured event
>took place.
And Christians celebrate Christmas on the traditional day of an old
Pagan holiday. So what's your point?
Harlow Campbell
Hi Amy.....How ya doin?
Just a couple of quick points.
1) You say god created everything...Correct?
Therefore he created evil and hate...Correct?
2) You stated that you believe everything in the bible...Correct?
Do you believe the story where god told Abraham to kill his son?
You said that you have children....Correct?
If you heard a voice purporting to be from "god" and telling you to
kill one of your children....Would you do it?
Please answer....No fair dodging...
Personally, the Abraham story is a show stopper for me....Any so-called
"god" who would even ASK to have a child killed is nothing more than
a child-abusing freak. I'd eat a fucking bullet before I'd kill one of my kids.
The way I see it, anyone who believes in *that* god, can kiss the
rear end of my ass.
PS- Is it better to do the right thing because of fear of punishment or
just because it *IS* the right thing?
Pete Charest
> wrote:
>The Jewish people were given their holidays by God and
> celebrated the passover years and years before the prefigured event
> took place.
You don't seem to understand the basics, Laymy. The Jews are just as
profoundly stupid and misguided as you Christian fuckheads. They've just
been at it longer.
You have a really gigantic tookus, don't you?
---
Pete Charest
Truth Terrorist©
Risen from the Dead®
If you're stupid, you won't find me funny.
JoeJimOne
God said to Abraham 'Kill me a son"
Abe said "Man you must be putting me on"
God said "No"
Abe said "What"
God said "You can do what you want but,
the next time you see me comming you better run"
Abe said "Where you want this killing done"
God said "Down on highway 61"
.............. Bob Dylan
Always liked that tune, but there is more to the story than voices in
someones
head telling them to kill their son, there Harlow. Issac was promised to Abe
by
messagers, or angels, of God when his wife Sara was old and barren.
If you bothered to read the whole account you would see that in conclusion
the reason for God's request of Abe was so he could understand how god
felt for having to sacrifice his son for mankind.
JJ1
Harlow Campbell
> Always liked that tune, but there is more to the story than voices in
> someones
> head telling them to kill their son, there Harlow. Issac was promised to Abe
> by
> messagers, or angels, of God when his wife Sara was old and barren.
>
> If you bothered to read the whole account you would see that in conclusion
> the reason for God's request of Abe was so he could understand how god
> felt for having to sacrifice his son for mankind.
>
> JJ1
I noticed you evaded my direct question.
This is understandable.
I stand by my assertion........Either the bible is a lie or god is
a child abusing freak.
Amy Lynn
wrote:
>On Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:52:16 GMT, chr...@hotmail.com (Amy Lynn) wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 22 Jan 2002 17:50:45 -0500 (EST), nyce...@webtv.net (E. L.)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Re: Was Jesus a forgotten warrior?
>>>
>>>Group: alt.alien.research Date: Sun, Jan 20, 2002, 12:32pm (EST+5) From:
>>>chr...@hotmail.com (Amy=A0Lynn)
>>>On Sun, 20 Jan 2002 01:41:08 -0600, Carl Wilson <ca...@kook-watch.net>
>>>wrote:
>>><snip>
>>>I know that you are a bitter atheist who likes to poke fun at Christians
>>>
>>>
>>>el: "Atheists are not bitter, atheists are some of the happiest humans,
>>>something you cannot understand since you are mired in your 'guilt.'
>>>Besides, if one cannot poke fun at christians who can you poke fun at?"
>>
>>So you have this driving need to poke fun at something...interesting..
>
>Well, religious nut cases like yourself don't have any other redeeming
>value...
Carl, if I am a nut case in your opinion, then so be it. It is merely
your opinion. That doesn't mean squat to me.
>>>and those who are oppresed by *aliens* (malignant spiritual beings as
>>>Koenig was sweet enough to explain), but the truth is this: Just because
>>>you choose not to believe in God does NOT mean that He does not exist,
>>>and it certainly, in NO way, negates His sacrificial death on the cross
>>>for your sins.
>>>
>>>el: "Who are we talking about here? God didn't die on the 'cross,'
>>>Jesus is alleged to have and he was the alleged son of god. Get your
>>>bible personalities straight. And, please, show me your evidence of god.
>>>Impossible."
>>
>>God became man in the person of Jesus Christ. His miracles were His
>>authenticity while His resurrection demonstrated His veracity.
>
>So then God really did have to kill himself to appease himself, so
>that he wouldn't have to roast us (his beloved creations) alive
> for all eternity, except that he didn't really die?
You are almost right...The only error in your statement is in saying
that He didn't really die. He DID die and was resurrected on the third
day following.
>>><snippedrestofreligiouscrap>
>>>Amy Lynn
>>>
>>>
>>>el: "In your spiritual blindness you don't seem aware that god was a
>>>jewish god in a land far away from the rest of the world. What happened
>>>there has no relationship to all of the other humans on the planet. If
>>>you are jewish you might believe in god 'cause that's who the god is.
>>>The Incans, the Mayans, the Africans, etc., didn't have THAT god. They
>>>had their own, just as bad in some cases. So don't use this god
>>>bullshit for the whole world. Keep him in Israel."
>>>
>>
>>Wrong..His ministry, death, resurrection and subsequent atonement was
>>for the Jew as well as the Gentile.
>
>Except that most of those Jews alive and present at the time this
>supposedly happened didn't get caught up in the cult of Jesus for some
>"odd" reason. The cult really didn't seem to catch on except in
>places far away from where these events allegedly took place. Rather
>odd don't you think?
The Jews of that time (and the orthodox ones of today as well) were
really caught up in the LAW. The "righteous" Jew would not even think
to cook a meal on the sabbath, much less HEAL people of degenerative
diseases and blindness, etc.etc. This is the reason that most Jews did
not join the ranks of Christianity....They were so bound by the Law
that they could not see the actual fulfillment of it.
>>He even died for you and loves
>>you, el!!! He didn't just die for the Israelites, though He did come
>>in fulfillment of the passover feast. Isn't it interesting how the
>>rest of human culture celebrates a holiday in the wake of some
>>event..Take Independance Day, for example. Americans celebrate July
>>4th in honor and memorial to the day that we became a sovereign
>>nation. The Jewish people were given their holidays by God and
>>celebrated the passover years and years before the prefigured event
>>took place.
>
>And Christians celebrate Christmas on the traditional day of an old
>Pagan holiday. So what's your point?
Boy, that point totally flew over your head!!
Ok, try to stay with me this time, Mr. Wilson....
The Jews celebrated holidays that *prefigured* the appearance of their
Messiah and the redemptive work that He would do for their sake.Note
the Passover feast that was first celebrated by Moses and the children
of Israel - The people were required to save a spotless and perfect
lamb and feed it for several days in the home. The night of the
passover they were required to slaughter this lamb and apply the blood
to three spots on the door: above and each side - (This actually
prefigures the sign of the cross on the door) That night the death
angel came through town and killed all of the first born males of the
families that had not honored the sacrifice and blood application.The
next day, the people that had carried through the ritual were free to
go out of Egypt and away from bondage.
Many years later, Christ would appear as that perfect lamb and be
slaughtered, shedding His blood on the cross as sacrifice. On the
third day He rose and all who believe in Him (thus applying His blood
over the door of their heart) are now free and are promised eternal
life! This actually occurred on the Passover, in complete fulfillment.
All other societies/cultures celebrate holidays AFTER the memorable
event takes place.
My statement had nothing to do with Christmas, but since you brought
that up, I will just use that as another example here. We today
celebrate Christmas in memorial to the birth of the Christ child,
years AFTER the fact.
The entire point is that the holidays that God ordained for the Jew
were given to prefigure, rather than to memorialize.
>---
Amy Lynn
Campbell) wrote:
>"Amy Lynn" <chr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3c514514...@nntp.rhtc.net...
>
>Hi Amy.....How ya doin?
>Just a couple of quick points.
>
>1) You say god created everything...Correct?
Correct
>Therefore he created evil and hate...Correct?
This is not exactly right... He created free will, which has only
allowed for evil, hate, pain, suffering, sickness, death,etc.etc. Note
that He has used evil, hateful men in the past to accomplish His
perfect will.
>
>2) You stated that you believe everything in the bible...Correct?
That is, again, correct.
>Do you believe the story where god told Abraham to kill his son?
Yep...I sure do.
He was testing Abraham ... God Himself was willing to give His Son to
die, so Abraham would be, too, if he truly was after God's heart.
As it turned out, Abraham passed this test and led Isaac to the alter.
The little boy, on their way to Mt. Moriah, asked his father where the
sacrificial animal was, and Abraham responded by saying that God would
provide it.
So Abraham was obediantly doing God's command while at the same time
exercising faith that God would indeed provide the animal for
sacrifice.
If you keep reading you, you will see how Abraham was stopped from his
task by the angel of God who said to him,
"Do not lay your hands on the lad, or do anything to him; for now I
know that you fear God, since you have not withheld you son, your only
son, from Me." (Gen 22:12) Then he was pointed to a ram that had been
caught by its horns in a thicket nearby.
This prefigures how God Himself would offer His only beloved Son to
die a horrible sacrificial death once for all...Even YOU!
>You said that you have children....Correct?
I have two beautiful little girls who are soon to be teenagers.
>If you heard a voice purporting to be from "god" and telling you to
>kill one of your children....Would you do it?
I know God's voice. It is a still, small voice that speaks to my
thoughts. He has never led me in the wrong direction and He never
will.
>Please answer....No fair dodging...
IF that still, small voice of God ever said that to me, I would have
no other choice.....
BUT you must understand that the redemptive work has been done and He
calls us to love one another. He would never tell me anything that
would conflict with His word, the Bible.(Which I believe 100% of,
remember?) My number one, God-ordained mission in this life is to rear
those girls that He gave me, so in reality, if I heard something say
that to me I would instantly know that it was not God who said it.
>Personally, the Abraham story is a show stopper for me....Any so-called
>"god" who would even ASK to have a child killed is nothing more than
>a child-abusing freak. I'd eat a fucking bullet before I'd kill one of my kids.
See above.
>The way I see it, anyone who believes in *that* god, can kiss the
>rear end of my ass.
He probably already has because He loves you so much - enough to die
for you.
Why don't you say a prayer right now and ask to be forgiven of your
sin? Ask that He reveal Himself to you and tell Him that you want a
fresh start in this life. He will forgive you and give you eternal
life because Christ has already paid for the death that is the
consequence of sin.
Even you will never be the same again!!
>PS- Is it better to do the right thing because of fear of punishment or
>just because it *IS* the right thing?
What is this "right thing" that you are referring to? Is it the belief
in Christ? Noone should love Jesus out of fear of punishment. Equally,
noone should love Him out of mere obligation.Neither of these are the
mark of true love. This is not what God is looking for.
Rather the love should stem from your thankfulness in Him for
forgiving you so freely and giving you the hope in Him and the promise
of life eternal.
Amy Lynn
Campbell) wrote:
Why do either of these have to be true?
Both of those statements are utterly false, both in the assertions and
in the presuppositions behind them.
Carl Wilson
>On Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:17:43 -0600, Carl Wilson <ca...@kook-watch.net>
>wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:52:16 GMT, chr...@hotmail.com (Amy Lynn) wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 22 Jan 2002 17:50:45 -0500 (EST), nyce...@webtv.net (E. L.)
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Re: Was Jesus a forgotten warrior?
>>>>
>>>>Group: alt.alien.research Date: Sun, Jan 20, 2002, 12:32pm (EST+5) From:
>>>>chr...@hotmail.com (Amy=A0Lynn)
>>>>On Sun, 20 Jan 2002 01:41:08 -0600, Carl Wilson <ca...@kook-watch.net>
>>>>wrote:
>>>><snip>
>>>>I know that you are a bitter atheist who likes to poke fun at Christians
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>el: "Atheists are not bitter, atheists are some of the happiest humans,
>>>>something you cannot understand since you are mired in your 'guilt.'
>>>>Besides, if one cannot poke fun at christians who can you poke fun at?"
>>>
>>>So you have this driving need to poke fun at something...interesting..
>>
>>Well, religious nut cases like yourself don't have any other redeeming
>>value...
>
>Carl, if I am a nut case in your opinion, then so be it. It is merely
>your opinion. That doesn't mean squat to me.
It's my opinion based on your posts here. At least I have something
real to base my opinions on.
>>>>and those who are oppresed by *aliens* (malignant spiritual beings as
>>>>Koenig was sweet enough to explain), but the truth is this: Just because
>>>>you choose not to believe in God does NOT mean that He does not exist,
>>>>and it certainly, in NO way, negates His sacrificial death on the cross
>>>>for your sins.
>>>>
>>>>el: "Who are we talking about here? God didn't die on the 'cross,'
>>>>Jesus is alleged to have and he was the alleged son of god. Get your
>>>>bible personalities straight. And, please, show me your evidence of god.
>>>>Impossible."
>>>
>>>God became man in the person of Jesus Christ. His miracles were His
>>>authenticity while His resurrection demonstrated His veracity.
>>
>>So then God really did have to kill himself to appease himself, so
>>that he wouldn't have to roast us (his beloved creations) alive
>> for all eternity, except that he didn't really die?
>
>You are almost right...The only error in your statement is in saying
>that He didn't really die. He DID die and was resurrected on the third
>day following.
Some sacrifice. He took a three day nap. Either way, it demonstrates
how silly your religion is. God takes the form of a man and allows
himself to be killed in order to appease himself. Sounds like a silly
old myth to me.
>>>><snippedrestofreligiouscrap>
>>>>Amy Lynn
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>el: "In your spiritual blindness you don't seem aware that god was a
>>>>jewish god in a land far away from the rest of the world. What happened
>>>>there has no relationship to all of the other humans on the planet. If
>>>>you are jewish you might believe in god 'cause that's who the god is.
>>>>The Incans, the Mayans, the Africans, etc., didn't have THAT god. They
>>>>had their own, just as bad in some cases. So don't use this god
>>>>bullshit for the whole world. Keep him in Israel."
>>>>
>>>
>>>Wrong..His ministry, death, resurrection and subsequent atonement was
>>>for the Jew as well as the Gentile.
>>
>>Except that most of those Jews alive and present at the time this
>>supposedly happened didn't get caught up in the cult of Jesus for some
>>"odd" reason. The cult really didn't seem to catch on except in
>>places far away from where these events allegedly took place. Rather
>>odd don't you think?
>
>The Jews of that time (and the orthodox ones of today as well) were
>really caught up in the LAW. The "righteous" Jew would not even think
>to cook a meal on the sabbath, much less HEAL people of degenerative
>diseases and blindness, etc.etc. This is the reason that most Jews did
>not join the ranks of Christianity....They were so bound by the Law
>that they could not see the actual fulfillment of it.
So again, Christianity didn't really take off in the place of it's
supposed origin, but in other places far away from any witnesses of
these supposed events. Rather easy to make claims, especially in
those days, about some guy rising from the dead when the nearest
potential witness is many miles away, isn't it?
>>>He even died for you and loves
>>>you, el!!! He didn't just die for the Israelites, though He did come
>>>in fulfillment of the passover feast. Isn't it interesting how the
>>>rest of human culture celebrates a holiday in the wake of some
>>>event..Take Independance Day, for example. Americans celebrate July
>>>4th in honor and memorial to the day that we became a sovereign
>>>nation. The Jewish people were given their holidays by God and
>>>celebrated the passover years and years before the prefigured event
>>>took place.
>>
>>And Christians celebrate Christmas on the traditional day of an old
>>Pagan holiday. So what's your point?
>
>Boy, that point totally flew over your head!!
>Ok, try to stay with me this time, Mr. Wilson....
That's because you didn't seem to have a point.
>The Jews celebrated holidays that *prefigured* the appearance of their
>Messiah and the redemptive work that He would do for their sake.Note
>the Passover feast that was first celebrated by Moses and the children
>of Israel -
Actually, there is a good chance Moses is nothing but a myth, and
there is absolutely no evidence that his "exodus" out of Egypt ever
happened, but go on.
> The people were required to save a spotless and perfect
>lamb and feed it for several days in the home. The night of the
>passover they were required to slaughter this lamb
Interesting barbaric ritual...
> and apply the blood
>to three spots on the door: above and each side - (This actually
>prefigures the sign of the cross on the door)
{yawn}
> That night the death
>angel came through town and killed all of the first born males of the
>families that had not honored the sacrifice and blood application.The
>next day, the people that had carried through the ritual were free to
>go out of Egypt and away from bondage.
So the old myth goes...
>Many years later, Christ would appear as that perfect lamb and be
>slaughtered, shedding His blood on the cross as sacrifice.
Your religions beliefs get more silly and barbaric as you go. Now we
go from sacrificing animals to sacrificing people.
> On the
>third day He rose and all who believe in Him (thus applying His blood
>over the door of their heart) are now free and are promised eternal
>life! This actually occurred on the Passover, in complete fulfillment.
Actually, there is no good historical evidence that *ANY* of this ever
happened.
> All other societies/cultures celebrate holidays AFTER the memorable
>event takes place.
>
>My statement had nothing to do with Christmas, but since you brought
>that up, I will just use that as another example here. We today
>celebrate Christmas in memorial to the birth of the Christ child,
>years AFTER the fact.
Years after the myth most likely.... And Christmas is nothing more
than a hijacked pagan holiday.
>The entire point is that the holidays that God ordained for the Jew
>were given to prefigure, rather than to memorialize.
Speculation. Your "arguments" are never based on any verifiable
facts, yet you expect us to believe them anyway?
Carl Wilson
>On 25 Jan 2002 11:01:07 -0800, harlowc...@hotmail.com (Harlow
>Campbell) wrote:
[snip]
>>If you heard a voice purporting to be from "god" and telling you to
>>kill one of your children....Would you do it?
>
>I know God's voice. It is a still, small voice that speaks to my
>thoughts. He has never led me in the wrong direction and He never
>will.
>
>>Please answer....No fair dodging...
>
>IF that still, small voice of God ever said that to me, I would have
>no other choice.....
Yup! That confirms it! You are a religious nut case and a
potentially dangerous one at that!
[...]
Harlow Campbell
> >>If you heard a voice purporting to be from "god" and telling you to
> >>kill one of your children....Would you do it?
> >
> >IF that still, small voice of God ever said that to me, I would have
> >no other choice.....
>
> Yup! That confirms it! You are a religious nut case and a
> potentially dangerous one at that!
You know Carl, there was a story a while back about a woman
in New York who put her 2 yr. old baby in the oven, locked the
oven door and turned it to broil.....
When police questioned her she said that, "God told me to do it".
They say it took 2 weeks to get the smell out of the house.........
Amy Lynn
wrote:
"There is a way that seems right to a man.....but its end is death.."
Proverb
No, in fact, the rapid spread of Christianity during a time when the
Roman Empire had reached the height of its cultural splendor; a time
when most of the world spoke Greek and roads had been constructed
throughout the vast empire...serves only to verify the statement that
"when the fullness of time had passed" God sent His Son. The religious
Jews of the Sanhedrin could not refute the proof of the resurrection
and the Romans could not squelch the great move of the Holy Spirit,
even with all of Nero's efforts! BTW, just out of curiosity, what
*proof* would you accept for Jesus' historical life and subsequent
death and resurrection? My bets are that if the proof stood right in
front of your face and slapped you with its veracity, you would find
some way to refute and deny it.
>>>>He even died for you and loves
>>>>you, el!!! He didn't just die for the Israelites, though He did come
>>>>in fulfillment of the passover feast. Isn't it interesting how the
>>>>rest of human culture celebrates a holiday in the wake of some
>>>>event..Take Independance Day, for example. Americans celebrate July
>>>>4th in honor and memorial to the day that we became a sovereign
>>>>nation. The Jewish people were given their holidays by God and
>>>>celebrated the passover years and years before the prefigured event
>>>>took place.
>>>
>>>And Christians celebrate Christmas on the traditional day of an old
>>>Pagan holiday. So what's your point?
Christmas is a memorial to the birth of the Christ child. The fact
that this memorial was allowed to come in and usurp the pagan holiday
proves that God will have the glory and that He certainly has the
ability to turn something bad into something great!
>>Boy, that point totally flew over your head!!
>>Ok, try to stay with me this time, Mr. Wilson....
>
>That's because you didn't seem to have a point.
I did but you just chose not to follow along.
>>The Jews celebrated holidays that *prefigured* the appearance of their
>>Messiah and the redemptive work that He would do for their sake.Note
>>the Passover feast that was first celebrated by Moses and the children
>>of Israel -
>
>Actually, there is a good chance Moses is nothing but a myth, and
>there is absolutely no evidence that his "exodus" out of Egypt ever
>happened, but go on.
>> The people were required to save a spotless and perfect
>>lamb and feed it for several days in the home. The night of the
>>passover they were required to slaughter this lamb
>
>Interesting barbaric ritual...
It does seem so, doesn't it? But that is the nature of sin...The
consequence of sin is death and so it is SIN that is barbaric.
>> and apply the blood
>>to three spots on the door: above and each side - (This actually
>>prefigures the sign of the cross on the door)
>
>{yawn}
>
>> That night the death
>>angel came through town and killed all of the first born males of the
>>families that had not honored the sacrifice and blood application.The
>>next day, the people that had carried through the ritual were free to
>>go out of Egypt and away from bondage.
>
>So the old myth goes...
>
>>Many years later, Christ would appear as that perfect lamb and be
>>slaughtered, shedding His blood on the cross as sacrifice.
>
>Your religions beliefs get more silly and barbaric as you go. Now we
>go from sacrificing animals to sacrificing people.
As I said above, it is sin that is barbaric. God's love and mercy is
what drove the sacrifice in order to cover for sin, and if that seems
barbaric to you, then that's too bad. It's not my rule, it's God's,
the Creator.
>> On the
>>third day He rose and all who believe in Him (thus applying His blood
>>over the door of their heart) are now free and are promised eternal
>>life! This actually occurred on the Passover, in complete fulfillment.
>
>Actually, there is no good historical evidence that *ANY* of this ever
>happened.
Once more I ask...What would be sufficient *proof* to you?
>> All other societies/cultures celebrate holidays AFTER the memorable
>>event takes place.
>>
>>My statement had nothing to do with Christmas, but since you brought
>>that up, I will just use that as another example here. We today
>>celebrate Christmas in memorial to the birth of the Christ child,
>>years AFTER the fact.
>
>Years after the myth most likely.... And Christmas is nothing more
>than a hijacked pagan holiday.
See above..
>>The entire point is that the holidays that God ordained for the Jew
>>were given to prefigure, rather than to memorialize.
>
>Speculation. Your "arguments" are never based on any verifiable
>facts, yet you expect us to believe them anyway?
>
What do you consider verifiable? If one believes the Bible to be the
true, inerrant, revelation of God and His ultimate plan for the crown
of His creation, then this is where the person would turn for the
verification. However, if one decides that the Bible is not correct,
he must look otherwise for answers... Check the archeological records.
No human artifact that has ever been recovered has prooved the Bible
wrong. In fact, more and more the *rocks are crying out*..For
example..It used to be said that there were no historical records for
a King David of Israel, however one diligent archeologist uncovered an
ancient coin in a middle eastern dig that had a reference to such a
king.
Amy Lynn
Campbell) wrote:
Poor deluted woman.
Her God was not my God.
Jack
"Harlow Campbell" <harlowc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:429c4f76.02012...@posting.google.com...
Harlow Campbell
> >> >>If you heard a voice purporting to be from "god" and telling you to
> >> >>kill one of your children....Would you do it?
> >> >>Please answer....No fair dodging...
> >> >
> >> >no other choice.....
> >You know Carl, there was a story a while back about a woman
> >in New York who put her 2 yr. old baby in the oven, locked the
> >oven door and turned it to broil.....
> >When police questioned her she said that, "God told me to do it".
> >
> >They say it took 2 weeks to get the smell out of the house.........
>
> Poor deluted woman.
> Her God was not my God.
> Amy Lynn
Her god was EXACTLY your god....The god of divisiveness and the god of hate.
The god that you worship is false.....Your cherished beliefs are false....
YOU are false....
PS- Ask god for some spelling lessons, stupid.
Michael Davis
> On 26 Jan 2002 10:24:24 -0800, harlowc...@hotmail.com (Harlow
> Campbell) wrote:
>
> >Carl Wilson" <ca...@kook-watch.net> wrote in message news:sqq55u0c5gke926lp...@4ax.com...
> >> >>If you heard a voice purporting to be from "god" and telling you to
> >> >>kill one of your children....Would you do it?
> >> >>Please answer....No fair dodging...
> >> >
> >> >IF that still, small voice of God ever said that to me, I would have
> >> >no other choice.....
> >>
> >> Yup! That confirms it! You are a religious nut case and a
> >> potentially dangerous one at that!
> >
> >You know Carl, there was a story a while back about a woman
> >in New York who put her 2 yr. old baby in the oven, locked the
> >oven door and turned it to broil.....
> >When police questioned her she said that, "God told me to do it".
> >
> >They say it took 2 weeks to get the smell out of the house.........
>
> Poor deluted woman.
> Her God was not my God.
How do you know? You said you would kill your kid if "God" told you to. How would you know if you heard "THE VOICE OF GOD" in you head that you
weren't just going insane? The fact that you would even say you would kill your children if you thought "God" was telling you to makes you insane and
an unfit mother as far as I am concerned.
Can somebody please resolve where Nutty Amy is posting from and notify the child welfare people in her area before she does something horrible? This
broad is bonkers.
--
The Evil Michael Davis™
Ruler For Life of AAR
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"For men become civilized, not in proportion to their willingness to believe, but in proportion to their readiness to doubt." - H. L. Mencken
E. L.
Was Jesus a forgotten warranty?
Group: alt.alien.research Date: Sat, Jan 26, 2002, 2:45am (EST-3) From:
harlowc...@hotmail.com (Harlow Campbell)
el: "Both are correct. But, primarily, Abraham, Sara, Isaac, etc., are
in the very old testament. Nothing to do with the Greek/Aramaic
addition called the new testament. Neither one is truthful and both are
for believing fools. Everyone has to remember that the bible is just a
bunch of books thrown together by a vote and a lot of the other books
were left out 'cause they were not necessarily pro-Jesus as a messiah.
Those were fucked up times and the result is a fucked up book that is
downright stupid to hold up as any kind of authority for anyone except
jews and that's only the old part. In case no one noticed, the jewish
bible does not contain the new testament nor do jews believe in Jesus as
their messiah. Why anyone else would live their lives dictated by a
flawed book that mostly pornographic is beyond me and that's why I do
not have any respect for anyone that lives their lives according to god,
jesus, and/or the bible in general. It downright sucks."
E. L.
Was Jesus a forgotten warranty?
harlowc...@hotmail.com (Harlow Campbell)
el: "Not just that one story but maybe hundreds, thousands, or... Also
keep this in mind: the bible is against homosexuals. Yet, if not the
majority, one hell of a lot of priests are not only gay but (male) child
molesters. These priests are honored, etc., and when you look at the
church's history these priests have no special training to represent god
and many are unequipped to deal with what results from church dogmas.
Religious people are fucked up, this is a fact of life. The church
really has an ugly history, yet they succeed on top of that. It's the
mind."
JoeJimOne
"Harlow Campbell" <harlowc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:429c4f76.02012...@posting.google.com...
Your assertion is built on false logic, must be either black or white,
that is false logic, there are many levels of gray between black and white
that you fail to consider. In answer to the question you put forth to Amy,
that you acuse me of avoiding. Your narrow, linear logic question:
"If you heard a voice purporting to be from "god" and telling you to
kill one of your children....Would you do it?
Please answer....No fair dodging..."
I assume that was the question you are referring to, the answer is:
Any Christian who has reached spiritual maturity knows that Christ has
already
paid the price and the true God would not be asking any man at this time to
sacrifice
their children, any voices one would hear in their head could very well be a
sign of mental
illness, or an attempt of demonic possesion, if said voice(s) asked of them
to offer up their
child as a sacrifice.
Christ died once for all time for all of mankind, the ransom has been paid.
Anyone or thing
asking for another installment, or payment, is not from the true God.
JJ1
Pete Charest
> >> The people were required to save a spotless and perfect
> >>lamb and feed it for several days in the home.
You know Aimly, Twonky and those buggering brits Dr. Piss and PassTurds
still observe a similar tradition. They sometimes substitute a goat for
the lamb and they insist on doing the feeding at its back end. But all
in all, it's a quite similar supplication.
Harlow Campbell
>I noticed you evaded my direct question. This is understandable. I
>stand by my assertion........Either the bible is a lie or god is a child
>abusing freak.
>el: "Both are correct. But, primarily, <<<SNIP>>>
EL....Just shut up and go play with your "rod"
Harlow Campbell
> "If you heard a voice purporting to be from "god" and telling you to
> kill one of your children....Would you do it?
>
> Please answer....No fair dodging..."
>
> I assume that was the question you are referring to, the answer is:
> Anyone or thing
> asking for another installment, or payment, is not from the true God.
> JJ1
Well, it seems we're at an impasse.....JimJoe wouldn't kill his kid...Amy would.
Who's right?
God only knows.......
JoeJimOne
el: "Not just that one story but maybe hundreds, thousands, or... Also
keep this in mind: the bible is against homosexuals. Yet, if not the
majority, one hell of a lot of priests are not only gay but (male) child
molesters. These priests are honored, etc., and when you look at the
church's history these priests have no special training to represent god
and many are unequipped to deal with what results from church dogmas.
Religious people are fucked up, this is a fact of life. The church
really has an ugly history, yet they succeed on top of that. It's the
mind."
Man, with his greed and lust for power, has always perverted
anything pure and wholesome into some twisted, corrupt, version
of the original. Jesus overturned money changers/lenders tables over
in the temple because corruption had already infested the priesthood
in his day.
Jesus warned the early congregation (group of people, not a building)
that something similar would happen to the christian church. Today it is
as it was in Jesus's day. The church,or temple, is more concerned with
making money than the spiritual and physical health of their congregation.
One of the original duties that the temple was supposed to adhere to was to
take care of widows and orphanes. To take care of the congregations physical
as well as spiritual needs. They now take the 10% of the worth of the people
to
suite their own needs, rather than oversee that the needs of the poor, under
their
direction, are taken care of.
Children fed and clothed, roof over their head, jobs made available to those
in need,
things of that nature. You look after your own.
Most all of your modern flavors of Christianity
do not make an attempt to serve the function for which they were originally
designed.
It is no supprize.
Powers of corruption have long seen organized religion as a means of
controling
masses of population. Organized religion gives God a bad rap. Organized
Religion
is the whore that rides the back of the beast. The harlot that is drunk on
the blood
of the prophets. The whore that has relations with all the kings of the
earth.
The whore that the beast will one day devour.
Won't you dance that day, E.L.
JJ1
Carl Wilson
>On Sat, 26 Jan 2002 11:41:40 -0600, Carl Wilson <ca...@kook-watch.net>
>wrote:
[snip]
>>>You are almost right...The only error in your statement is in saying
>>>that He didn't really die. He DID die and was resurrected on the third
>>>day following.
>>
>>Some sacrifice. He took a three day nap. Either way, it demonstrates
>>how silly your religion is. God takes the form of a man and allows
>>himself to be killed in order to appease himself. Sounds like a silly
>>old myth to me.
>
>"There is a way that seems right to a man.....but its end is death.."
>Proverb
Which does nothing to change the fact that your cult is based on some
god sacrificing himself to himself. But hey, you haven't really
addressed any issues so far, so why should I expect you to start now?
Read your history Amy. Christianity really didn't begin to gain
widespread acceptance until the late 3rd century and early 4th
century. Until then is was just another minor mystery cult. Also you
again fail to address the point that it never really took off in the
*very place* where it all supposedly happened. It only seemed to take
root and eventually flourish in places far away from those claimed
events and witnesses. Exactly what you'd expect if it never really
happened and was just another myth that became the basis of a
religion..
> a time
>when most of the world spoke Greek and roads had been constructed
>throughout the vast empire...serves only to verify the statement that
>"when the fullness of time had passed" God sent His Son.
See above. Rome was well in decline by the time Christianity became a
popular religion.
> The religious
>Jews of the Sanhedrin could not refute the proof of the resurrection
>and the Romans could not squelch the great move of the Holy Spirit,
>even with all of Nero's efforts!
Christianity was hardly a major threat to the Roman Empire during the
time of Nero. They were a very small minority at the time which is
why he singled them out as scapegoats for the great fire that burned
down much of Rome. They were such a small minority that they didn't
have enough political influence to worry about.
> BTW, just out of curiosity, what
>*proof* would you accept for Jesus' historical life and subsequent
>death and resurrection?
The accounts of Jesus are hardly historical anymore than Egyptian
stories about their gods are historical. Perhaps if we had some
references from contemporary sources with no vested interests then
there might be some reason to think that he really existed. After
all, some guy supposedly performing all those miracles in front of so
many witnesses and then rising from the dead should have created quite
a stir, shouldn't it? Not to mention all those zombies wondering
around Jerusalem right after the crucifixion! (Matt 27:52-53) You'd
think someone not already a "believer" would have noticed, wouldn't
you?
But the historians of the day make no mention of these supposed
events. Of course later Christians sometimes tried to fix this little
problem by inserting obvious forgeries like the one inserted in
"Antiquities" (written by Josephus) most likely by the "early church
father" Eusebius.
> My bets are that if the proof stood right in
>front of your face and slapped you with its veracity, you would find
>some way to refute and deny it.
The problem is that you don't have *any* real evidence let alone proof
Amy. Therefore any speculation about the level of proof I'd require is
moot. First come up with *any*real evidence and then we'll see.
>>>>>He even died for you and loves
>>>>>you, el!!! He didn't just die for the Israelites, though He did come
>>>>>in fulfillment of the passover feast. Isn't it interesting how the
>>>>>rest of human culture celebrates a holiday in the wake of some
>>>>>event..Take Independance Day, for example. Americans celebrate July
>>>>>4th in honor and memorial to the day that we became a sovereign
>>>>>nation. The Jewish people were given their holidays by God and
>>>>>celebrated the passover years and years before the prefigured event
>>>>>took place.
>>>>
>>>>And Christians celebrate Christmas on the traditional day of an old
>>>>Pagan holiday. So what's your point?
>
>Christmas is a memorial to the birth of the Christ child. The fact
>that this memorial was allowed to come in and usurp the pagan holiday
>proves that God will have the glory and that He certainly has the
>ability to turn something bad into something great!
No, the fact that Christmas replaced the pagan holiday is evidence
that Christianity seeks to wipe out other belief systems. What you
can't destroy outright, you Christianize and claim as your own.
>>>Boy, that point totally flew over your head!!
>>>Ok, try to stay with me this time, Mr. Wilson....
>>
>>That's because you didn't seem to have a point.
>
>I did but you just chose not to follow along.
So far your "arguments" have been woefully short of anything but
assertions.
>>>The Jews celebrated holidays that *prefigured* the appearance of their
>>>Messiah and the redemptive work that He would do for their sake.Note
>>>the Passover feast that was first celebrated by Moses and the children
>>>of Israel -
>>
>>Actually, there is a good chance Moses is nothing but a myth, and
>>there is absolutely no evidence that his "exodus" out of Egypt ever
>>happened, but go on.
>
>>> The people were required to save a spotless and perfect
>>>lamb and feed it for several days in the home. The night of the
>>>passover they were required to slaughter this lamb
>>
>>Interesting barbaric ritual...
>
>It does seem so, doesn't it? But that is the nature of sin...The
>consequence of sin is death and so it is SIN that is barbaric.
So the answer to barbaric sin is equally barbaric rituals?
>>> and apply the blood
>>>to three spots on the door: above and each side - (This actually
>>>prefigures the sign of the cross on the door)
>>
>>{yawn}
>>
>>> That night the death
>>>angel came through town and killed all of the first born males of the
>>>families that had not honored the sacrifice and blood application.The
>>>next day, the people that had carried through the ritual were free to
>>>go out of Egypt and away from bondage.
>>
>>So the old myth goes...
>>
>>>Many years later, Christ would appear as that perfect lamb and be
>>>slaughtered, shedding His blood on the cross as sacrifice.
>>
>>Your religions beliefs get more silly and barbaric as you go. Now we
>>go from sacrificing animals to sacrificing people.
>
>As I said above, it is sin that is barbaric.
And as I said above, your answer to "barbaric sin" seems to be equally
barbaric rituals.
> God's love and mercy is
>what drove the sacrifice in order to cover for sin, and if that seems
>barbaric to you, then that's too bad. It's not my rule, it's God's,
>the Creator.
Your "arguments" are going from silly to really lame here Amy.
"So what if my God is barbaric?! Nyah!"
>>> On the
>>>third day He rose and all who believe in Him (thus applying His blood
>>>over the door of their heart) are now free and are promised eternal
>>>life! This actually occurred on the Passover, in complete fulfillment.
>>
>>Actually, there is no good historical evidence that *ANY* of this ever
>>happened.
>
>Once more I ask...What would be sufficient *proof* to you?
How about some real evidence for starters?
>>> All other societies/cultures celebrate holidays AFTER the memorable
>>>event takes place.
>>>
>>>My statement had nothing to do with Christmas, but since you brought
>>>that up, I will just use that as another example here. We today
>>>celebrate Christmas in memorial to the birth of the Christ child,
>>>years AFTER the fact.
>>
>>Years after the myth most likely.... And Christmas is nothing more
>>than a hijacked pagan holiday.
>
>See above..
Yes, see above. Especially the parts where I ask for real evidence to
back up your assertions.
>>>The entire point is that the holidays that God ordained for the Jew
>>>were given to prefigure, rather than to memorialize.
>>
>>Speculation. Your "arguments" are never based on any verifiable
>>facts, yet you expect us to believe them anyway?
>>
>What do you consider verifiable? If one believes the Bible to be the
>true, inerrant, revelation of God and His ultimate plan for the crown
>of His creation, then this is where the person would turn for the
>verification.
"The Bible is true because it says the Bible is true!"
> However, if one decides that the Bible is not correct,
>he must look otherwise for answers... Check the archeological records.
I have.
>No human artifact that has ever been recovered has prooved the Bible
>wrong.
Except for the fact that Jericho was destroyed long before the
Israelites supposedly destroyed it. Except for the fact that no one
has found any Hebrew artifacts in the Sinai despite the claim that
about 600,000 Hebrews wandered around there for 40 years, etc.
>In fact, more and more the *rocks are crying out*..For
>example..It used to be said that there were no historical records for
>a King David of Israel, however one diligent archeologist uncovered an
>ancient coin in a middle eastern dig that had a reference to such a
>king.
If you're talking about what I think you're talking about, then it was
a clay artifact that mentioned something about "House of David".
Hardly surprising since the Hebrews have long believed that such a man
existed. This is no more surprising than finding an ancient Greek
artifact mentioning Zeus....
But if you are talking about something else, then please provide a
reference URL.
Harlow Campbell
> >Therefore he created evil and hate...Correct?
>
> allowed for evil, hate, pain, suffering, sickness, death,etc.etc. Note
> that He has used evil, hateful men in the past to accomplish His
> perfect will.
Nice dodge of the truth. I believe that YOU have just committed a sin, Amy.
If god created EVERYTHING then he created evil.
As I said....No fair dodging.
> >Do you believe the story where god told Abraham to kill his son?
>
> Yep...I sure do.
> He was testing Abraham ... God Himself was willing to give His Son to die
How heroic....Why not take the hit himself?
Your god is an infanticidal pussy.
> If you keep reading you, you will see how Abraham was stopped from his
> task by the angel of God who said to him,
> "Do not lay your hands on the lad, or do anything to him
Sounds like ol Abe was getting ready to bugger the "lad"
Maybe he was the precursor of a priest?
> I have two beautiful little girls who are soon to be teenagers.
I bet they'll rebel, and turn out to be real sluts.....Where do you live?
> >If you heard a voice purporting to be from "god" and telling you to
> >kill one of your children....Would you do it?
> >Please answer....No fair dodging...
>
> IF that still, small voice of God ever said that to me, I would have
> no other choice.....
>
> BUT you must understand that the redemptive work has been done and He
> calls us to love one another. He would never tell me anything that
> would conflict with His word, the Bible.(Which I believe 100% of,
> remember?) My number one, God-ordained mission in this life is to rear
> those girls that He gave me, so in reality, if I heard something say
> that to me I would instantly know that it was not God who said it.
I see now that you are backpedaling away from your previous statement
like a circus clown on a unicycle. Don't you have the courage of your
convictions?
> >Personally, the Abraham story is a show stopper for me....Any so-called
> >"god" who would even ASK to have a child killed is nothing more than
> >a child-abusing freak. I'd eat a fucking bullet before I'd kill one of my kids.
>
> See above.
Do you know what the opposite of "above me" is ?
> >The way I see it, anyone who believes in *that* god, can kiss the
> >rear end of my ass.
>
> He probably already has because He loves you so much - enough to die
> for you.
No he didn't. According to YOU he sent in the boy to take the pain.
What a great father....A shining example to all good christians...Don't
sacrifice yourself....Kill the kids instead....Sick bastard, god.
> Why don't you say a prayer right now and ask to be forgiven of your
> sin? Ask that He reveal Himself to you and tell Him that you want a
> fresh start in this life. He will forgive you and give you eternal
> life
Sorry Amy...I made my peace a few years ago. I am happy every
day of my life now.....Really happy....Not the false happiness that
fakes like you wear on your sleeve.
As far as eternal life? Well, I have 5 kids and in some way I guess
that I garner eternal life through them...My genetic code will be
passed on
> Even you will never be the same again!!
"Even me"?....Don't forget the sin of pride, Amy.
> >PS- Is it better to do the right thing because of fear of punishment or
> >just because it *IS* the right thing?
>
> What is this "right thing" that you are referring to? Is it the belief
> in Christ? Noone should love Jesus out of fear of punishment. Equally,
> noone should love Him out of mere obligation.Neither of these are the
> mark of true love. This is not what God is looking for.
Hmmmm....Now you purport to know the mind of god?
The sin of pride, Amy....The sin of PRIDE
Harlow Campbell
> GOD does not tell people to do those stupid thing. satan tells them
> to do these stupid things,I hope they put her in the oven and did
> her the same way the Bitch. Emma Tucker
And satan was created by......??
Pete Charest
> >If you heard a voice purporting to be from "god" and telling you to
> >kill one of your children....Would you do it?
>
> I know God's voice. It is a still, small voice that speaks to my
> thoughts. He has never led me in the wrong direction and He never
> will.
Oh, Amie, you duplicitous fraud. Your stinking god would *test* Abraham,
but he wouldn't dare test you? You're a fucking idiot.
> >Please answer....No fair dodging...
>
> IF that still, small voice of God ever said that to me, I would have
> no other choice.....
>
> BUT you must understand that the redemptive work has been done and He
> calls us to love one another. He would never tell me anything that
> would conflict with His word, the Bible.(Which I believe 100% of,
> remember?) My number one, God-ordained mission in this life is to rear
> those girls that He gave me, so in reality, if I heard something say
> that to me I would instantly know that it was not God who said it.
You don't instantly know shit, Aimee. You are a profoundly stupid
person.
Harlow Campbell
> Satan was an angel to start
Who created Satan?
>, but he became vain and got to be evil.
Who created evil?.....Who created vanity?
>He was the most beautiful ever created
By whom?
>and it went ot his head. I shant
> tell you the entire story here [its long] but you can look it
> up some time when you are bored.
I've heard the lies in the bible before....Ad naseum.
> I aint no preacher fellows I just have my faith and beliefs
Your faith is false....Your beliefs, bogus...
> so stop trolling me I laugh too much to type
> and make typos too much, then you have say something about that, just
> go away. Emma
Blow me.
Amy Lynn
Campbell) wrote:
*snip*
>
>Blow me.
Wow..the sexual frustration must be catchy..First Pete, now you
Carl Wilson
>On or about Sun, 27 Jan 2002 00:47:56 -0600, Carl Wilson
><ca...@kook-watch.net> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:07:15 GMT, chr...@hotmail.com (Amy Lynn) wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 26 Jan 2002 11:41:40 -0600, Carl Wilson <ca...@kook-watch.net>
>>>wrote:
>>[snip]
>>
><brevity snip>
>
>>> BTW, just out of curiosity, what
>>>*proof* would you accept for Jesus' historical life and subsequent
>>>death and resurrection?
>>
>>The accounts of Jesus are hardly historical anymore than Egyptian
>>stories about their gods are historical. Perhaps if we had some
>>references from contemporary sources with no vested interests then
>>there might be some reason to think that he really existed. After
>>all, some guy supposedly performing all those miracles in front of so
>>many witnesses and then rising from the dead should have created quite
>>a stir, shouldn't it? Not to mention all those zombies wondering
>>around Jerusalem right after the crucifixion! (Matt 27:52-53) You'd
>>think someone not already a "believer" would have noticed, wouldn't
>>you?
>
>Even if all of that (miracles/resurection) happened live, today, in
>front of the entire world, it would not be proof of a god.
Not really. It would just mean that something happened that we didn't
understand. But the point I was trying to make that Amy doesn't even
have that much evidence of a God.
>>But the historians of the day make no mention of these supposed
>>events. Of course later Christians sometimes tried to fix this little
>>problem by inserting obvious forgeries like the one inserted in
>>"Antiquities" (written by Josephus) most likely by the "early church
>>father" Eusebius.
>>
>>> My bets are that if the proof stood right in
>>>front of your face and slapped you with its veracity, you would find
>>>some way to refute and deny it.
>
>My bet is that it is impossible to prove, Amy, unless you are a god
>yourself.
>
><snip>
>
>>>>>>And Christians celebrate Christmas on the traditional day of an old
>>>>>>Pagan holiday. So what's your point?
>>>
>>>Christmas is a memorial to the birth of the Christ child. The fact
>>>that this memorial was allowed to come in and usurp the pagan holiday
>>>proves that God will have the glory and that He certainly has the
>>>ability to turn something bad into something great!
>
>He didn't quite have that kinda luck with Satan. And I'm sure drowning
>all life on the planet (except fish, the dumbass!) was REALLY great.
Actually the Bible says that *everything* not on the Ark died. So I
guess ol' Noah had to haul fish and other sea creatures.
>Especially since the ass-munch could allegedly heal the entire world
>with the snap of his fingers. but..he'd rather toast ppl for an
>eternity...go figure.
And if God is really an "all-knowing" and perfect God, then he created
the world knowing full well how it would turn out and that he would
destroy it. Sounds more like Satan than God.
>>No, the fact that Christmas replaced the pagan holiday is evidence
>>that Christianity seeks to wipe out other belief systems. What you
>>can't destroy outright, you Christianize and claim as your own.
>
>Amen.
>>>>>Boy, that point totally flew over your head!!
>>>>>Ok, try to stay with me this time, Mr. Wilson....
>>>>
>>>>That's because you didn't seem to have a point.
>>>
>>>I did but you just chose not to follow along.
>>
>>So far your "arguments" have been woefully short of anything but
>>assertions.
>>
>>>>>The Jews celebrated holidays that *prefigured* the appearance of their
>>>>>Messiah and the redemptive work that He would do for their sake.Note
>>>>>the Passover feast that was first celebrated by Moses and the children
>>>>>of Israel -
>>>>
>>>>Actually, there is a good chance Moses is nothing but a myth, and
>>>>there is absolutely no evidence that his "exodus" out of Egypt ever
>>>>happened, but go on.
>>>
>>>>> The people were required to save a spotless and perfect
>>>>>lamb and feed it for several days in the home. The night of the
>>>>>passover they were required to slaughter this lamb
>>>>
>>>>Interesting barbaric ritual...
>>>
>>>It does seem so, doesn't it? But that is the nature of sin...The
>>>consequence of sin is death and so it is SIN that is barbaric.
>
>Who created sin, btw? Oh, nevermind...it was "god",
Amy will now entertain us as she dances the Fundie Shuffle around the
issue.
>>So the answer to barbaric sin is equally barbaric rituals?
>>
>>>>> and apply the blood
>>>>>to three spots on the door: above and each side - (This actually
>>>>>prefigures the sign of the cross on the door)
>>>>
>>>>{yawn}
>>>>
>>>>> That night the death
>>>>>angel came through town and killed all of the first born males of the
>>>>>families that had not honored the sacrifice and blood application.
>
>That was soooo sweet of them! I'm sure it was the fault of the first
>born, right?
God has a thing about killing kids. The Old Testament is full of
examples. Even Amy said that she'd kill her children "IF that still,
small voice of God" ever told her to. Personally, I think she's a
danger to her children.
>>The
>>>>>next day, the people that had carried through the ritual were free to
>>>>>go out of Egypt and away from bondage.
>
>And thousands of innocent children lay dead. *that is sooo touching*
"The Bible is full of interest. It has noble poetry in it; and some
clever fables; and some blood-drenched history; and some good morals;
and a wealth of obscenity; and upwards of a thousand lies." - Mark
Twain
>>>>
>>>>So the old myth goes...
>>>>
>>>>>Many years later, Christ would appear as that perfect lamb and be
>>>>>slaughtered, shedding His blood on the cross as sacrifice.
>
>Knowingly smiling all the while, as he new his dad was omnipotent and
>could easily bring him back to life. not much of a sacrifice in my
>opinion. If i could bring my kid back from the dead, I'd rent him out
>for target practice.
Christians consistently fail to see this. If the story is true, then
Jesus basically took a long nap. He was then brought back to life and
went to live in a paradise. Not much of a sacrifice.
>>>>Your religions beliefs get more silly and barbaric as you go. Now we
>>>>go from sacrificing animals to sacrificing people.
>>>
>>>As I said above, it is sin that is barbaric.
>
>And god is the creator of sin, so, he is barbaric...
Amen! ;-)
>>And as I said above, your answer to "barbaric sin" seems to be equally
>>barbaric rituals.
>>
>>> God's love and mercy is
>>>what drove the sacrifice in order to cover for sin, and if that seems
>>>barbaric to you, then that's too bad. It's not my rule, it's God's,
>>>the Creator.
>
>God could have whisked satan off to hell, when he rebelled. instead, he
>stuck him down here with ppl, and WE pay the price. what an asshole!
>
><snipping the rest of amy's infuriating poison>
God could have just miracled Satan's ass right out of existence. But
God choose to let him cause pain and suffering. God must be a sadist.
Carl Wilson
Then I guess that means Amy isn't a "Real True Christian"(tm) since
she doesn't rule out the possibility that God might demand this.
Either that or Amy is the "Real True Christian" here and you're not.
It's so hard to tell when dealing with something as slippery as
Christianity.....
Carl Wilson
Campbell) wrote:
Well, I hope Amy doesn't hear any voices telling her to kill her
children. But if it happened I wouldn't be the least surprised.
Carl Wilson
>On 26 Jan 2002 10:24:24 -0800, harlowc...@hotmail.com (Harlow
>Campbell) wrote:
>
>>Carl Wilson" <ca...@kook-watch.net> wrote in message news:sqq55u0c5gke926lp...@4ax.com...
>>> >>If you heard a voice purporting to be from "god" and telling you to
>>> >>kill one of your children....Would you do it?
>>> >>Please answer....No fair dodging...
>>> >
>>> >IF that still, small voice of God ever said that to me, I would have
>>> >no other choice.....
>>>
>>> Yup! That confirms it! You are a religious nut case and a
>>> potentially dangerous one at that!
>>
>>You know Carl, there was a story a while back about a woman
>>in New York who put her 2 yr. old baby in the oven, locked the
>>oven door and turned it to broil.....
>>When police questioned her she said that, "God told me to do it".
>>
>>They say it took 2 weeks to get the smell out of the house.........
>
>Poor deluted woman.
>Her God was not my God.
How do you know? After all, you said that if God told you to kill
your children that you would.
Ugly Bob
"Harlow Campbell" <harlowc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:429c4f76.02012...@posting.google.com...
news:3c52ba70...@nntp.rhtc.net...
<snip>
> > I have two beautiful little girls who are soon to be teenagers.
>
> I bet they'll rebel, and turn out to be real sluts.....Where do you live?
Well, lets take a look, shall we? Here's the header from
the last message:
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From: chr...@hotmail.com (Amy Lynn)
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Now lets see the whois info:
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Well, whatdiya know, _We the People_ get to pay for this
religious nonsense being spewed all over the net. Don't that
beat all, folks?
-Ugly Bob