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Ray Gordon's Six Contributions To ASF Theory

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Win At Betting

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Mar 28, 2002, 4:20:57 AM3/28/02
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Count them, folks, some people with short memories may forget to remind you. I
also have COPYRIGHTS to prove it:

Returning Fox
Reverse Timetable to bust up a shit-test
Pivot (first post: May 23, 1997)
Gimmick as a seduction tool
Minddigger (identifying women with brain fetishes)
One-and-done (sets up for returning fox)

It's easy for people with motives to promote my rivals to forget these major
contributions, but I like to remind people every so often.

This memory problem is also the main reason I haven't released a lot of my NEW
theory. I'd rather see the men here fuck up repeatedly and THEN share it in a
way that shows how stupid and unoriginal most of them are.

Have a wonderful day folks!


Ray Gordon, GENIUS

Odious

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Mar 29, 2002, 3:19:13 AM3/29/02
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Win At Betting wrote:
>
> Count them, folks, some people with short memories may forget to remind you. I
> also have COPYRIGHTS to prove it:
>
> Returning Fox

Is your copyright on this before 1994?

Chapter 16 of Ross Book covers this, and was later expanded on with take
aways and polarity responders... long before you showed up ray.

> Reverse Timetable to bust up a shit-test

Again polarity responder... ideas covered long before you showed up.
Hell time shifting and time frame shifting has been around in NLP before
Ross. Trying to claim you invented this or brought it to ASF shows
everybody how full of shit you are and how little you actually know about
SS and NLP.

> Pivot (first post: May 23, 1997)

That's not what google says...

Your search - pivot group:alt.seduction.fast - did not match any messages
posted between 23 May 1997 and 28 May 1997.

Can you cite the post?

I looked for pivot and found it mentioned in 1996 to reference the party
in the middle of a three way relationship. So you didn't even coin the
term ray... it was being used in ASF before you ever showed up.

From: IAMM...@worldnet.att.net
Subject: Re: boyfriend destroyer
Date: 1996/09/12
Message-ID: <N.091296....@worldnet.worldnet.att.net>
references: <1996091008...@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us>
organization: AT&T WorldNet Services
newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Robert B. Cialdini was writing about social proof in 1993 in his book,
Influence : The Psychology of Persuasion.

So no ray... you didn't bring a god damned thing to ASF on the subject.
You just took something that was already here and slapped a different
name on it.

> Gimmick as a seduction tool

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! THis is just stupid ray.. men have been using pick
up gimmicks for years and years... before any of use were born, or our
fathers or their fathers. You're just pitiful ray. Did you also invent
fucking so people would have something to do before smoking?


> Minddigger (identifying women with brain fetishes)

Yeah because before you called them mind diggers, we just knew them as
chicks who dug smart guys. FOr fucks sake ray... can you at least try to
take credit for something that is not quite as obviously bullshit?


> One-and-done (sets up for returning fox)

Nope, take aways were covered in Ross' material, his book, and
newsletters... all before you showed up. In fact that is also in chapter
16 of ross' 94 book.


> It's easy for people with motives to promote my rivals to forget these major
> contributions, but I like to remind people every so often.
>

Remind us of what, the fact you're a desperate little plagarist with no
clue about seduction... so you don't udnerstand why you sound so lame
trying to take credit for ideas that predate your book, your posts, and
even your own birth.


> This memory problem is also the main reason I haven't released a lot of my NEW
> theory.


If your new theory is anything like your old theory, it is just a
rehashing of ideas we saw 6 years ago... so I doubt we're missing much.


> I'd rather see the men here fuck up repeatedly and THEN share it in a
> way that shows how stupid and unoriginal most of them are.
>

Yet ray, men here are getting laid and finding success because they
ignore you and follow other advice... you're the one who is a fuck up
ray. You're the one who is all alone.

Mirak

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Mar 29, 2002, 5:33:22 AM3/29/02
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> Yet ray, men here are getting laid and finding success because they
> ignore you and follow other advice... you're the one who is a fuck up
> ray. You're the one who is all alone.

Succes ?
It's not a competition.
It's just a question of how you see life.


Win At Betting Warning

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Mar 31, 2002, 4:05:12 AM3/31/02
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In article <20020328042057...@mb-mg.aol.com>


The previous post was made by "Ray Gordon", real name Gordon Roy Parker.

* * *

Some other quotes from "Ray Gordon":

"There was no significant loss of life in those towers... NOT A ONE"
Ray Gordon, real name: Gordon Roy Parker, September 11 2001

"A bunch of *ASSHOLE* New Yorkers died... don't grieve"
Ray Gordon, real name: Gordon Roy Parker, September 11 2001

* * *

Has Ray given you the impression that he runs a successful, profitable business? Or
that he commands expensive fees for his work? Then you may be interested to know
that he can't even afford to pay his taxes. The IRS filed a tax lien of OVER TWELVE
THOUSAND DOLLARS against him and his Mom (whom he lives with) which they STILL
haven't been able to pay off AFTER SIX YEARS. You can view the official document
HERE: (cut and paste the ENTIRE link onto a single line in your browser - will
require two separate pastes to get both lines onto single browser line)

http://dns2.phila.gov:8080/fjd/owa/zk_fjd_public_qry_03.zp_dktrpt_frames?case_id=97
0620114

* * *

New readers are encouraged to familiarize themselves with Ray's posting history and
opinions. Be sure to check out www.Ray-Gordon.com and click the "RayFaq" button on
the top left. The site contains many of his archived posts. The site is NOT
affiliated with "Ray", who's real name is Gordon Roy Parker, and he has made
numerous threats of legal action against it.

* * *

If you believe "Ray Gordon" has made inappropriate posts you may wish to contact
his ISP. For customer verification, Ray's contact information (obtained via the
public Google Usenet Archive)is:

GORDON ROY PARKER
4247 LOCUST ST #806
PHILADELPHIA PA 19104
(215)386-7366


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Odious

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Apr 1, 2002, 2:20:21 AM4/1/02
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I have shown that each of the things ray claims to have contributed,
predate his ever showing up here and some of them predate his birth. And
not surprisingly, he has ignored it and tried to change the subject with
a new round of spam and trolls.

Ray says nobody ever argues his ideas... well that's because ray doesn't
have any ideas of his own, and he knows it.


Just imagine if a bum went through your recycle bin and took 6 empty cans
of your favorite soda, then bound them up with the 6-pack holder... and
tried to sell it back to you as if it was a new 6-pack of soda... even
though any idiot could see the cans were open and empty. That is what
ray does with seduction advice... he reads groups like this, reads
websites, takes ideas that he doesn't even comprehend and slaps a new
name on them and tries to act like he thought the whole thing up.

But anybody, even newbies, can see that he is full of shit.

John C. Randolph

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Apr 1, 2002, 6:26:18 AM4/1/02
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Odious wrote:
>
> I have shown that each of the things ray claims to have contributed,
> predate his ever showing up here and some of them predate his birth. And
> not surprisingly, he has ignored it and tried to change the subject with
> a new round of spam and trolls.

In a related story, the US Patent and Trademark office turned down grp's
application for a patent on the use of heavy breathing, trenchcoats, and
creepy offers to coach underage girls in gymnastics.

-jcr

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