"Don't you discipline my chiyuld!"
Gutterboy
as a whole and say, "Screw it. You say the sproggen are our most important
resource, and you pay us crap. You say the sproggen need guidance, and you
undermine us at every turn. We are outta here, and from now on, every classroom
in this country can be run by one of you breeders. I've had it."
---
From the Boston Globe, 27 Feb 2002:
Mother is accused in class attack
As terrified first-graders watched, an irate mother allegedly smacked and
shoved their teacher yesterday in Jamaica Plain in the same classroom where
another teacher was beaten by a parent last year.
Xochitl Perez, who had replaced the assaulted teacher at Fuller Elementary
School, said she was terrified as Cassandra Price allegedly threatened to beat
her up for disciplining her child the previous day.
Perez said she was trying to dismiss the startled children, and spare them from
watching the ordeal, as Price followed her around the classroom screaming, her
face so close that saliva flew into Perez's face.
''Finally I put some papers in front of my face, and she hits my hand down and
pushes me against the doorway,'' Perez said. ''She screams, `The next time you
discipline my child I'm going to discipline you!'''
After about five minutes of the shouting and threats, two teachers - a male and
a female - grabbed Price's elbows and escorted her out of the building. On her
way out, Perez said Price vowed that she would return today and finish the
argument.
By the time police arrived, Price had left. Perez, meanwhile, sent the children
home, and then began to sob. Another teacher eventually drove her to a South
End medical clinic to be examined by a doctor.
Reached at her home yesterday for comment on the confrontation, Price said, ''I
really don't care about the incident,'' and hung up.
Perez said she intends to press assault and battery charges against Price. She
also said the security guard who typically escorts children across the street
after school was absent yesterday and the principal had left early.
For staffers, the incident sparked memories of last year's beating of Perez's
predecessor, Carla Reveliotty. On Jan. 19, 2001, Reveliotty suffered a
fractured cheekbone and black eye in an attack in the same classroom. Parent
Angela Brinson pleaded guilty to assault charges and was sentenced to one year
of probation and was ordered to take anger management classes.
Reveliotty, a 31-year veteran, did not return to teaching. The attack prompted
calls from teachers and elected officials for tougher school safety measures.
In the wake of the assault on Reveliotty and others teachers, School
Superintendent Thomas W. Payzant and Mayor Thomas M. Menino unveiled a 12-point
safety plan that included better cooperation with police and heavier
enforcement of basic security measures, such as monitoring access to the city's
130 schools.
The alleged assault on Perez prompted withering criticism from Boston Teachers
Union president Edward Doherty.
''I have no more confidence in their safety plans than I have in their
discipline plans for their students,'' Doherty said. ''They don't take either
the safety of teachers or students seriously enough in the school system. They
never have.''
School Department spokesman John Dorsey said the department was investigating
the episode. ''Obviously when something like this happens, it definitely
warrants inquiry,'' Dorsey said.
Perez said yesterday's visit was not Price's first to the classroom to take
issue with the way her daughter is being taught. In December and again last
week, Price swore at Perez, the teacher said, and tried to intimidate her in
front of the students. She said Price has also written notes, delivered by her
daughter to Perez, that included remarks such as, ''Your handwriting is ugly.''
When Price arrived yesterday, Perez's students had just finished crayon
drawings of crocodiles and butterflies on construction paper. Perez said as
soon as Price walked through the door, she became nervous and stood with the
desk blocking her.
Perez said she can't believe another assault happened in Room 104.
''It's a room that's possessed,'' Perez said. ''It's too much of a coincidence
for it to happen again.''
Gutterboy
---
"[C]hildren are always rude and unruly. that is their nature. stay at home and
order pizza, if it really bothers you that much."" -- Breeder on the defense
nokomis
> I have a dream, and that dream is: One day the CF teachers of America rise up
> as a whole and say, "Screw it. You say the sproggen are our most important
> resource, and you pay us crap. You say the sproggen need guidance, and you
> undermine us at every turn. We are outta here, and from now on, every classroom
> in this country can be run by one of you breeders. I've had it."
Ya know, after reading this, and the article about poor school attendance
the other day, I'm starting to think that the whole public education system
is Just Not Working. And every root cause is a parent that shouldn't be
one. Either because they don't give a flyin' fuck about their kids, or
because they don't know when to let go for a minute and let the kid
participate in society like it's supposed to.
What went wrong?
-valerie (the all-depressed'n'stuff one)
nok...@tdl.com
Mike Healy
nokomis <nok...@tdl.com> wrote in message
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> the other day, I'm starting to think that the whole public education
system
> is Just Not Working. And every root cause is a parent that shouldn't be
> one. Either because they don't give a flyin' fuck about their kids, or
> because they don't know when to let go for a minute and let the kid
> participate in society like it's supposed to.
>
> What went wrong?
Probably when The Nanny State really started taking hold - sometime after
WW2. Once we began really protecting the dimwits that would've been eaten by
cave bears (so that they could live to breed more of themselves), we were in
trouble. By now I think that we (as a society) are doomed, 'cause they
outnumber the rest of us by a hefty margin. Some evidence: Our esteemed
President - he's got "cave bear food" written all over him.
Now I've got myself depressed again. Thanks!
Mike
Bradley
gutte...@aol.commeilfaut says...
>
>''Finally I put some papers in front of my face, and she hits my hand down and
>pushes me against the doorway,'' Perez said. ''She screams, `The next time you
>discipline my child I'm going to discipline you!'''
Fine. Then home-school your pweshus. Of course, you'll have to miss
your soap operas. Pity.
--
Bradley
"I like children ... roasted!" - W.C Fields
"Eww! Baby spit!" - Bart Simpson
"Listen up, breeders, particularly daddees. It ISN'T a sportscar,
and it wasn't 'raised by sportscars', and it doesn't have the 'soul
of a sportscar'. You FUCKED UP and now you drive a PamperVan. Deal
with it. Quit pretending you are still cool. You aren't. Now you
just smell like sour milk and doodie. And yes, I am laughing at you
at the stoplight." - Jason G., a.s.c
Citizen Ted
>Ya know, after reading this, and the article about poor school attendance
>the other day, I'm starting to think that the whole public education system
>is Just Not Working.
<snip>
>What went wrong?
IMHO, it just doesn't matter what went wrong. Maybe it's the
entitlement breeders, maybe it's the recent idiotic touchy-feely
educational approaches.
Doesn't matter.
I call for the cessation of all public schooling starting with
the 2006 school year. That's enough time for entitlement breeders to
either finance their own community schools or home school. I don't
care which.
Let's face it, folks: it's hyper-expensive, underachieving and
valueless. Remove it like you would a cyst.
Publicly funded schooling: our forefathers didn't want it. We
don't want it, either.
You breed 'em, you read 'em.
- TR
- libertarian malcontent.
BTW: take all your "but the public benefits from an educated
society" arguments and shove them up your ass. Who benefits from an
ineffective program that produces idiots and costs more than 10
NASA's? Not me. Not you. Not society.
Nina Paley
> BTW: take all your "but the public benefits from an educated
> society" arguments and shove them up your ass. Who benefits from an
> ineffective program that produces idiots and costs more than 10
> NASA's? Not me. Not you. Not society.
Even if schools don't teach literacy or thinking skills, they teach
everyone to watch the clock constantly, to be sedentary most of the day,
and do activities they have no interest in. They teach about pecking
orders, that any weakness will be exploited, and that going against the
grain will have very negative consequences. They teach you to wake up
not when your body tells you to, but when the alarm goes off. They teach
you to respond to bells and orders. They teach that displaying any
extraordinary skills or talents will result in persecution.
Most people don't benefit from a society "educated" this way, but
certain key people do. A critically-thinking, educated public would be
very hard to control. A society of passive consumers and docile workers
maintains the status quo.
--Nina
Cassia
> Even if schools don't teach literacy or thinking skills, they teach
> everyone to watch the clock constantly, to be sedentary most of the day,
> and do activities they have no interest in. They teach about pecking
> orders, that any weakness will be exploited, and that going against the
> grain will have very negative consequences. They teach you to wake up
> not when your body tells you to, but when the alarm goes off. They teach
> you to respond to bells and orders. They teach that displaying any
> extraordinary skills or talents will result in persecution.
>
> Most people don't benefit from a society "educated" this way, but
> certain key people do. A critically-thinking, educated public would be
> very hard to control. A society of passive consumers and docile workers
> maintains the status quo.
Very well written.
I agree 100%.
Arcane Rose
Nina Paley <die_corpo...@yahoo.omit.this.com> wrote in message news:<3C7D89BC...@yahoo.omit.this.com>...
Michael Walton
> I call for the cessation of all public schooling starting with
> the 2006 school year. That's enough time for entitlement breeders to
> either finance their own community schools or home school. I don't
> care which.
>
There's only one problem with this. You know as well as I do what
most parents would do if left to their own devices when it comes to
their children's education. Absolutely nothing.
I mean, the entitlement attitude of most parents means that the world
revolves around their children and everything and everyone exists to
serve them. God forbid they should deign themselves to actually take
part in the rearing of their kids. That's what public schools and day
care centers are for. Parents expect teachers to teach their kids
everything from the "three Rs" all the way to morals and ethics, but
are quick to complain when a curriculum mentions something that the
parent doesn't like.
Now, do I like the touchy-feely methods of education today. Nope. I
think they're way off base (and I do happen to work in a public school
system). As has been mentioned, public schools are turning out
generations of cattle trained not to think critically, but to keep
their heads down, follow orders, conform to the herd, and be good
little consumers. However, I don't think doing away with the public
school systems would solve anything. Look at it this way, how many
time have you heard parents complain about how hard a job they have?
So hard, in fact, that they don't have the time to take an active part
in their child's education as it is. If they were forced to take an
active role, most would, as I mentioned earlier, do nothing. That
would mean future generations would be as bad as kids are today,
except they would also be unable to read, write, or count. In other
words, they would literally be no better than cattle. Then our tax
dollars would have to go to find a bigger field for them to graze
around in.
I think that there are a certain percentage of people who are critical
thinkers (i.e. they Get It) and would have been critical thinkers no
matter what the circumstances of their upbringing. In other words, a
few people Get It regardless of how they were raised. Each subsequent
generation have about the same percentage of people who Get It.
Everyone else is perfectly content to low around in a nice green
pasture upwind from the smell of their own shit and chew their cud.
Mike Healy
"Nina Paley" <die_corpo...@yahoo.omit.this.com> wrote in message
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>
> everyone to watch the clock constantly, to be sedentary most of the day,
> and do activities they have no interest in. They teach about pecking
> orders, that any weakness will be exploited, and that going against the
> grain will have very negative consequences. They teach you to wake up
> not when your body tells you to, but when the alarm goes off. They teach
> you to respond to bells and orders. They teach that displaying any
> extraordinary skills or talents will result in persecution.
>
> Most people don't benefit from a society "educated" this way, but
> certain key people do. A critically-thinking, educated public would be
> very hard to control. A society of passive consumers and docile workers
> maintains the status quo.
Not gonna snip it - wouldn't be prudent at this juncture. Nicely stated.
This is what I meant to say instead of the drivel that I actually did post
earlier in this thread. We could still use a few cave bears.
Mike
Kristy
<mapma...@interaccess.com> wrote:
> nokomis <nok...@tdl.com> wrote in message
> >
> > What went wrong?
>
> Probably when The Nanny State really started taking hold - sometime after
> WW2. Once we began really protecting the dimwits that would've been eaten
> by cave bears (so that they could live to breed more of themselves), we were
> in trouble. By now I think that we (as a society) are doomed, 'cause they
> outnumber the rest of us by a hefty margin. Some evidence: Our esteemed
> President - he's got "cave bear food" written all over him.
>
> Now I've got myself depressed again.
On the other hand, you've got me giggling over "cave bear food."
-Kristy
Vince Conaway
> Even if schools don't teach literacy or thinking skills, they teach
> everyone to watch the clock constantly, to be sedentary most of the day,
> and do activities they have no interest in.
In other words, a good preparation for the workforce.
> They teach about pecking
> orders, that any weakness will be exploited, and that going against the
> grain will have very negative consequences.
In other words, a good preparation for life.
> They teach you to wake up
> not when your body tells you to, but when the alarm goes off. They teach
> you to respond to bells and orders. They teach that displaying any
> extraordinary skills or talents will result in persecution.
In other words, a good preparation for adulthood.
Sounds like a pretty effective program to me.
-Vince
Mike Healy
"Kristy" <k...@dartmouth.edu> wrote in message
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> > Now I've got myself depressed again.
>
> On the other hand, you've got me giggling over "cave bear food."
Karma, perhaps? On the other hand, at least I've accomplished *some*thing
this week.
:o)
Mike
Nina Paley
It is an effective program. That's my point.
--Nina
Kendall
"Citizen Ted" <enoi...@dumpthisattbi.com> wrote in message
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Kendall
>
>
>
Steve Lamb
<die_corpo...@yahoo.omit.this.com> wrote:
> Even if schools don't teach literacy or thinking skills, they teach
> everyone to watch the clock constantly, to be sedentary most of the day,
> and do activities they have no interest in. They teach about pecking
> orders, that any weakness will be exploited, and that going against the
> grain will have very negative consequences. They teach you to wake up
> not when your body tells you to, but when the alarm goes off. They teach
> you to respond to bells and orders. They teach that displaying any
> extraordinary skills or talents will result in persecution.
We don't need no education!
We don't need no thought control!
No dark sarcasm in the classroom!
Teachers leave them kids alone!
Hey teacher! leave them kids alone!
All in all it's just another brick in the wall!
All in all you're just another brick in the wall!
--
Steve . Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your
ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls.
To email: Don't despair! | -- Lenny Nero, Strange Days
-------------------------------+---------------------------------------------
Joann Evans
(excellent posting snipped)
Hear fucking hear!
Citizen Ted
wrote:
>There's only one problem with this. You know as well as I do what
>most parents would do if left to their own devices when it comes to
>their children's education. Absolutely nothing.
<snip>
>That
>would mean future generations would be as bad as kids are today,
>except they would also be unable to read, write, or count. In other
>words, they would literally be no better than cattle. Then our tax
>dollars would have to go to find a bigger field for them to graze
>around in.
An excellent post. Thank you.
And now, my response:
Tough.
The idea of foisting responsibility back onto the individual
is a vitally important one. No, I'm not an Ayn Randian; I'm not even a
very good Libertarian. But I am an evolutionist.
We like to slap our foreheads in disbelief at how incredibly
stupid breeders are. Simultaneously, we shed tears for the plight of
humanity in the face of exploding populations, diminishing resources
and strangled cultures.
There is a way to solve all these problems: the restoration of
personal responsibility. Imagine, if you will, if the idiot breeders
were responsible for training and teaching their own children. Since
most breeders are complete fucking morons, they will have almost
nothing to teach their children. Their children will grow up to be
filtered into graves and prisons.
Some breeders will endeavor to construct community schools,
which they will finance themselves.
Terrific! The rest of society - local, state and federal -
will be freed from the cost and responsibility of instructing them and
will no longer be held accountable as the "stupefiers" of children.
Chances are, children who attend community schools will do
well enough to enter universities upon adulthood. Barring that, the
private sector will provide vocational training on a for-profit basis
(I am a product of vocational training).
Of course, the children of idiot breeders will become
uneducable criminals. Things will be ugly for several generations.
Maybe even *very* ugly.
But in time, there will be some stasis as The Clue dawns on
the populace and people discover that squirting out brats
indiscriminately is not a Good Idea.
It will be a long, painful adjustment. But the elimination of
public school will go a long way in re-invigorating our society and
making strides towards achieving our true goal: a vibrant
technological civilization.
I don't look at social policies in a "next year" or "next
election" or "next decade" time frame. Social policy should be
engineered with our eyes on the next *century*. Thinking forward and
planning extensively is what smart people do to achieve greatness.
I say we do it!
We'll start with the schools. Then we can pencil in social
justice and equality - drug legalization, total color blindness and
social tolerance, followed up by the attrition of corporate and social
welfare.
In the end, the stories we read about idiot entitlement
breeders will seem like quaint little amusements from the early 21st
century.
- TR
- ready to ascend the throne as King of Earth.
ea_tg
snipped
>
> We'll start with the schools. Then we can pencil in social
> justice and equality - drug legalization, total color blindness and
> social tolerance, followed up by the attrition of corporate and social
> welfare.
snip
Great post, Ted. I think we need to make sure we have no welfare for them to
fall back on, as well. When it hits them that the rest of us aren't going to
sit silently by and pay for them to continue their stupidity, I believe the
Darwinization will go much faster. However, I don't believe most USAians
have the guts for it. I believe that we, as a whole, are too damned worried
about what everyone else in the world thinks of us.