New technical term to be introduced: "TS+"
Caring Person
It is proposed that a new term be used in the Tourettes area for children
having Tourettes PLUS some a certain common sort of additional problem
(thus: "TS+"). This term shall be used to refer to children with
Tourette's who have depression problems or lack of identity and/or
self-esteem and lack of self acceptance *due to* problems with the
parenting they have received. Let me be yet more specific about the
language usage proposed.:
It is thought that Tourettes children can easily and "naturally" have an
image problem, that is surely made more intense and stressful by an
intrusive parent (or parents) or by parent(s) showing neurotic or
complusive or perfectionistic tendencies, esp. in irrational ways (either
with themselves or in dealings with others). It is so likely that this
significantly affects the manifestation and course of the disorder that
special cases of children conforming to the description *and* with parents
conforming to the specific description be designiated Tourettes Syndrome
Plus (or TS+) for short.
It s thought that once this term "TS+" gets into the research literature a
meaningful and important subgroup of children with Tourettes will have
been better identified. I would appreciate all help in carrying this
dialog forward to further the better identification of these children and
in putting more focus on them and what will help this important and
precious subgroup of children. Thank you. It will also lead to better
help for the parents of these children. I would appreciate this idea
being shared with other newsgroups you may know of and mailing lists.
Thank you.
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having other problems. Yes, many parents don't understand TS and in trying
to stop the behavior can cause a lot of emotional problems, but I also see
where TS people have either additional disorders or societal issues can
cause some problems.
My daughter's TS has never been an issue, her behavior is another matter. We
have never punished or threatened her because of Tics, or even her OCD
behavior. She has many issues that are make her act anti-social and cause
her to behave in a manner that does not do well for her. We work with those
issues in a way that helps her learn more productive skills and try to
support her as much as possible. I have been told by many 'professionals'
and family members that I need to be stricter with her, or punish her more,
but I have found that by being supportive and helping her learn that her
actions are cause by her disorder, and though she needs to learn more
appropriate ways to deal with things, she's not a bad kid and that we love
her.
I guess I am tired of being blamed for her actions and emotional problems. I
didn't cause her tics because of the way I parented her, I also didn't cause
her emotional problems. She has them and I am helping her become the best
that she can become.
Jean
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out and came back to your message. What the heck?
cheryl lea
BlessedBy2 <bless...@aol.com> wrote in article
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Aha1818
It sounds like you are doing a GREAT job parenting your daughter..she is lucky
to have you.
In response to the original author...
the term TS+ is already used to mean ts + the associated disorders of add, ocd
and/or ld.
Parents do affect the way children are raised (obviously), but from my
experience, as a person with ts, a parent with a child with ts and a
professional....parents who have children with ts do no better/no worse than
parents who have children without ts...
I would love to know your story...do you have ts?...
Roger D. Freeman, M.D.
Island Chapter of TSA, but as I recall, it referred not to low
self-esteem, etc., but to having one or more additional diagnosed
disorders, such as ADHD, OCD, Major Depression, Anxiety Disorder, etc.
I'm afraid this may cause some confusion. TS+ is already in the
literature, from Leslie, and is being used by some other professionals.
-- Roger D. Freeman, M.D., Medical Advisory Board
Caring Person
clear. I think that is what I shall have to do. Perhaps Leslie Packer
should drop her term since there is no need for it. Multiple diagnoses
are already well-known and NOT a new concept and in need of no special
designation.
Kathryn A Taubert
Caring Person <good...@hotmail.com> wrote in article
<good_brad-140...@ts009d04.min-mn.concentric.net>...
> Perhaps I shall have to call my concept "TS, Plus" to make the
distinction
> clear. I think that is what I shall have to do. Perhaps Leslie Packer
> should drop her term since there is no need for it. Multiple diagnoses
> are already well-known and NOT a new concept and in need of no special
> designation.
>
>
Brad, drop the subject. You're not gonna' get to Leslie through us this way
either.
For all ASTers who are not familiar with this poster, delete this thread.
There's a history here that you really don't care about. Trust us on this
one.
KAT in CT
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concept and, by itself, is not a needed distinction. Your concept, now
termed "TS, Plus", is (in contrast) a useful concept and refers to a common
phenomenon that needs identifying expressly and a label. The "TS, Plus"
concept is sure to catch on. -- Joe
In article <good_brad-140...@ts009d04.min-mn.concentric.net>,
good...@hotmail.com (Caring Person) wrote:
> Perhaps I shall have to call my concept "TS, Plus" to make the distinction
> clear. I think that is what I shall have to do. Perhaps Leslie Packer
> should drop her term since there is no need for it. Multiple diagnoses
> are already well-known and NOT a new concept and in need of no special
> designation.
>
> In article <35AAFA00...@home.com>, roger_...@usa.net wrote:
>
> > This term, "TS+" was invented by Leslie Packer, Ph.D., of the Long
> > Island Chapter of TSA, but as I recall, it referred not to low
> > self-esteem, etc., but to having one or more additional diagnosed
> > disorders, such as ADHD, OCD, Major Depression, Anxiety Disorder, etc.
> > I'm afraid this may cause some confusion. TS+ is already in the
> > literature, from Leslie, and is being used by some other professionals.
> > -- Roger D. Freeman, M.D., Medical Advisory Board
> >
dru...@my-dejanews.com
js...@my-dejanews.com is Brad, posting to himself by using another account.
Ignore him and all posts in this thread. He doesn't know anything about TS.
Brad: Stop this or some of us will start writing to your providers.
-- Drumset
In article <6og39g$51v$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
Caring Person
In article <01bdaf35$567cf840$253a9cd1@default>, "Kathryn A Taubert"
<KATA...@prodigy.net> wrote:
> Caring Person <good...@hotmail.com> wrote in article
> <good_brad-140...@ts009d04.min-mn.concentric.net>...
> > Perhaps I shall have to call my concept "TS, Plus" to make the
> distinction
> > clear. I think that is what I shall have to do. Perhaps Leslie Packer
> > should drop her term since there is no need for it. Multiple diagnoses
> > are already well-known and NOT a new concept and in need of no special
> > designation.
> >
> >
Larry C. Lyons
known net.look who infects the sci.psychology newsgroups. A typical tactic of Mr.
Jesness is to set up alias and then agree with his own posts, or make it appear that
more than one person has the same ideas.
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In article <6og39g$51v$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
js...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> I could not agree more, good_brad. Multiple diagnoses is an old and
familiar
> concept and, by itself, is not a needed distinction. Your concept,
now
> termed "TS, Plus", is (in contrast) a useful concept and refers to a
common
> phenomenon that needs identifying expressly and a label. The "TS,
Plus"
> concept is sure to catch on. -- Joe
Hi Bradnee. How many is that now?
Hoping to break 500 before the end of the year eh?
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>
> Fair warning people. This is another of Brad Jesness's sock puppets. He's a well
> known net.look who infects the sci.psychology newsgroups. A typical tactic of Mr.
> Jesness is to set up alias and then agree with his own posts, or make it appear that
> more than one person has the same ideas.
Is there a web page listing all of Brad's known aliases?
Someone tried this in comp.lang.cobol recently. First he falsely
accused someone of using multiple email addresses to bolster a position,
then magically four messages appeared from previously unknown souls
supporting
his rant.
I believe Brad is properly called a net.kook not net.look.
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>Is there a web page listing all of Brad's known aliases?
Yes. Go to http://www.wharton.demon.co.uk and click on the link to
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It also describes some of his past behavior in ast.
>
>Someone tried this in comp.lang.cobol recently. First he falsely
>accused someone of using multiple email addresses to bolster a position,
>then magically four messages appeared from previously unknown souls
>supporting
>his rant.
>
>I believe Brad is properly called a net.kook not net.look.
Uh oh. Randall... if you're going to start making typing corrections
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Hea Randall, are you pickin' on my handle ? <g>
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In article <6ommqn$d...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>, Bart...@usa.spam.net wrote:
> Larry C. Lyons wrote:
> >
> > Fair warning people. This is another of Brad Jesness's sock puppets.
He's a well
> > known net.look who infects the sci.psychology newsgroups. A typical
tactic of Mr.
> > Jesness is to set up alias and then agree with his own posts, or make
it appear that
> > more than one person has the same ideas.
>
> Is there a web page listing all of Brad's known aliases?
>
> Someone tried this in comp.lang.cobol recently. First he falsely
> accused someone of using multiple email addresses to bolster a position,
> then magically four messages appeared from previously unknown souls
> supporting
> his rant.
>
> I believe Brad is properly called a net.kook not net.look.
>
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