The Fraudulent Health Claims of Bruce Daniel Kettler

[a]

Reposting is LEGAL and ACCEPTABLE, and helps keep newsgroups ON TOPIC.

http://www.ahealthyme.com/article/bellhowell/101142648

Internet Health Fraud

MaxCell BioScience, Inc., also doing business as Oasis Wellness
Network, based in Broomfield, Colorado, has been charged with
making numerous allegedly false and unsubstantiated health claims
for two products, Longevity Signal Formula ("LSF") and Anabolic/
Catabolic Index Test ("ACI Test"). The company claimed their
products could reverse the aging process.

http://www.mlmwatch.org/06FTC/Oasis/oasisftc1.html

MaxCell BioScience, Inc., also doing business as Oasis Wellness
Network, and its president, Stephen A. Cherniske, have signed
a consent agreement under which they must to stop making false
and unsubstantiated health claims for "Longevity Signal Formula"
("LSF") -- a product containing the hormone DHEA; and their
at-home urine test called the "Anabolic/Catabolic Index[tm]
Test ("ACI Test"). The improper claims were made in cassette
and audio and video tapes, as well as on the Oasis Wellness
Network Web site.

http://www.lawpublish.com/s5.html

Also, the settlement would require MaxCell to pay $150,000 for
consumer redress to FTC, and to notify their distributors of
the settlement and warn them of possible termination if they
do not conform their representations to the requirements placed
on MaxCell.

http://www.health4us.org/news/2001_06_14_01.htm

One of the companies cited, Oasis Wellness Network of
Broomfield, Colorado, came under scrutiny for claiming that a
product containing the hormone DHEA can fight aging. The
company was ordered to pay $150,000 in fines to the FTC.

This is the same pyramid scheme Bruce Daniel Kettler advertised on
his web site at http://www.kettlerenterprises.com/os/index.html,
where he wrote:

The system is guaranteed to shift your metabolism to a more
youthful state in 30 days or less. A laboratory proven system
slows the effects of aging and provides you with nutrition for
life's journey while shifting your body's metabolism into a
more anabolic state and decreasing the catatabolic breakdown
metabolism.

http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2001/06/cureall.htm
http://www.ftc.gov/os/2001/06/maxcellconsent.pdf

*****************************************
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
FEDERAL TRADE COMMISSION
)
In the Matter of ) FILE NO. 002 3098
)
MAXCELL BIOSCIENCE, INC., )
a corporation, and ) AGREEMENT CONTAINING
) CONSENT ORDER
STEPHEN CHERNISKE, )
individually and as an officer )
of the corporation. )
)
III.
IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that respondents, directly or through any
corporation, subsidiary, division, or other device, including
franchisees, licensees, or distributors, in connection with the
manufacturing, labeling, advertising, promotion, offering for sale,
sale, or distribution of Longevity Signal Formula or any other food,
drug, device, service, or dietary supplement, in or affecting
commerce, shall not make any representation, in any manner,
expressly or by implication:
A. That such product or service reduces the risk of atherosclerosis,
B. That such product or service cures arthritis,
C. That such product or service lowers blood pressure,
D. That such product or service lowers cholesterol levels in the
bloodstream,
E. That such product or service strengthens bones,
F. That such product or service reduces or eliminates the need for
corrective lenses,
G. That such product or service promotes weight loss or muscle gain
without dieting or exercise,
H. That such product or service increases glucose tolerance,
I. That such product or service increases Growth Hormone levels in
the body, thereby causing positive clinical effects on health,
J. That such product or service improves liver function,
K. That such product or service prevents or reverses aging, or
increases life expectancy, or
L. About the effect of such product or service on any disease, or
about the effect of such product or service on the structure or
function of the human body, or about any other health benefit, or
the safety, of such product or service, unless, at the time it is
made, respondents possess and rely upon competent and reliable
scientific evidence that substantiates the representation.

IV.
IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that respondents shall not provide to any
person or entity means and instrumentalities that contain any claim
about the effect of any product or service on any disease, or about
the effect of any product or service on the structure or function of
the human body, or about any other health benefit, or the safety, of
any product or service, unless such claim is true, and substantiated
by competent and reliable scientific evidence. For purposes of this
Part, \223means and instrumentalities\224 shall mean any information,
including but not necessarily limited to any advertising, labeling
or promotional materials, for use by distributors in their marketing
or sale of the Anabolic/Catabolic Index test or Longevity Signal
Formula or any other product or service covered under this order, in
or affecting commerce.

V.
IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that respondents, directly or through any
corporation, subsidiary, division, or other device, including
franchisees, licensees, or distributors, in connection with the
manufacturing, labeling, advertising, promotion, offering for sale,
sale, or distribution of any food, drug, device, service, or dietary
supplement, in or affecting commerce, shall not misrepresent, in any
manner, expressly or by implication, the existence, contents,
validity, results, conclusions, or interpretations of any test,
study, or research.

--
"I doubt that homeopathic products can get away with claiming to
cure anything." -- John Benneth <38D8C3AB...@cyberhighway.net>

[DanKettler]

First of all, John Benneth who advocated HOMEOPATHY as a positive medical
benefit, attempted to meet Randi's $1 million dollar so-called "challenge"
to bring forth certain evidence specified by Randi.

Randi refused HIS **OWN** CHALLENGE.

Evidence of that is at, and linked from...

http://www.marius.net

The issue of the "challenge" has been debated on USENET again and again.
Copies of such debates are at, or linked from, the above site. It's
all repitition, so I will not continue writing the same and answering
the inanities again.

See GOOGLE archives...

http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search

a wrote:

> Reposting is LEGAL and ACCEPTABLE, and helps keep newsgroups ON TOPIC.
>
> http://www.ahealthyme.com/article/bellhowell/101142648
>
> Internet Health Fraud
>
> MaxCell BioScience, Inc., also doing business as Oasis Wellness
> Network, based in Broomfield, Colorado, has been charged with
> making numerous allegedly false and unsubstantiated health claims
> for two products, Longevity Signal Formula ("LSF") and Anabolic/
> Catabolic Index Test ("ACI Test"). The company claimed their
> products could reverse the aging process.

So, why don't you repost my rebuttals to your claims?

Why will you not reply to the logic and facts of the rebuttals?

Is it because you are a coward?

Why do you continue to repost this nonsense, this expression of
hatred, trying to say I make, or made, fraudulent claims? That
repost was with absolutely no provocation from me. I have not
posted, at all, in weeks. Is it because, like the typical
PSEUDO-SKEPTIC-FANATIC (PSF), you are obsessed?

The obvious actions, and intent, of the typical PSEUDO-SKEPTIC-FANATIC
(PSF) is to attack the messenger, and thereby the message. Most of them
don't have the brains or guts to answer facts. For the most part, they
do this with REPEATED lies, and like cowards, never reply to the
truthful and proven facts about those lies.

The fact is quite clearly evident that the FDA and FTC are
not infallible agencies.

The fact is also quite clear that the company you mention is now
continuing to state what research shows: the products are
anti-aging.

To see that this is true, one only needs to look at the OASIS WELLNESS
NETWORK web site. They will find, still, mention of anti-aging.

One only needs to look at the many other sites on the WEB, ads
on TV, and in magazines, to see that MANY companies are telling of
anti-aging properties of a number of substances. That shows that
your campaign of censorship (pushing US government agencies)
is FAILING. That shows that the FTC and FDA CANNOT shut them
(or anyone lawfully doing business) down unless they ACTUALLY
break laws.

The world is changing. Laws have changed. The holistic practices
of licensed physicians are now permitted, whereas many more doctors
lost licenses for holistic practices 2 or 3 decades ago.

More about the activities of PSEUDO-SKEPTIC-FANATICS (PSF)
off the net, here...

http://www.psicounsel.com/takstock.html

The fact is, clean pure water is anti-aging. So, also, are
fresh fruits and vegetables. Would you try to ban my mention
of that?

You people, in essence, are bigots, censors, and narrow minded
CONTROL FREAKS.

> http://www.lawpublish.com/s5.html
>
> Also, the settlement would require MaxCell to pay $150,000 for
> consumer redress to FTC, and to notify their distributors of
> the settlement and warn them of possible termination if they
> do not conform their representations to the requirements placed
> on MaxCell.

I asked you before, and again now I will ask, have they paid $150,000 ?

Is the USA still under a constitution?

Can a company require due process in law, rather than
arbitrary rules and fines?

Is appeal possible?

Again, is the FTC and FDA infallible, so that the word "fraudulent"
stated by them is necessarily true?

Have you ever found out when I stopped my WEB reference
to OASIS WELLNESS NETWORK? Do you know? Was it before
or after the (US government agency) declaration that
OASIS was engaged in fraudulent practices?

If you know this, then you should know a date for the change.

You should, also, have some proof.

Do you, really, have any idea why I made a change on
the web site?

You have stated many ideas, but they are just projections
from your "brain." The fact is, I just don't engage in
that type of business, at this time.

<snip>

> This is the same pyramid scheme Bruce Daniel Kettler advertised on

> his web site at http://www.kettlerenterprises.com/os/index.html...

First of all, I asked you to substantiate that it is, or ever was,
a "pyramid scheme." You never did. The marketing plan shown on the
OASIS WELLNESS NETWORK web site shows it is not a pyramid scheme.

Do you even *know* what a pyramid scheme is?

OASIS would have been shut down long ago if they were a pyramid
scheme.

You never answered that. Instead, you continue to state the same
lie over and over.

Most of the PSEUDO-SKEPTIC-FANATICS (PSF) are proven liars.

You are a liar.

Who are "you" anyway -- " a "

<snip>

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The following is at...

http://www.psicounsel.com/sijf.html

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Subject: Alternative Medicine/organized "skepticism"/Psychic
Phenomena/UFOs Posted to USENET newsgroup sci.skeptic and
others during March 2001

© Dan Kettler 2001

This is about the marching soldiers
of the INQUISITION -- the WITCH HUNTERS,
those who, evidently, would destroy
alternative medicine and other freedoms
if only they were strong enough that
they could.

This post is about Volume 25, No. 1, January/February 2001 issue of
SKEPTICAL INQUIRER, a Magazine which the publishers call "The
Magazine for Science and reason." Portions of this issue are
illustrative of the typical WITCH HUNT mentality of psuedo
skeptics. Their spew is not primarily about real science.
Science is about seeking and finding knowledge, not ignorance
and misunderstanding. What these people puke forth to the
public is largely based upon negativity and
irrational fear.

In this issue, the front cover reads:

ISSUES IN ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE

MEDICINE WARS

HERBAL MEDICINE AND DIETARY SUPPLEMENTS

PSYCHOACTIVE HERBAL MEDICINES

CHIROPRACTIC

CSICOP is suppoed to be the COMMITTEE for the SCIENTIFIC INVESTIGATION of
CLAIMS OF THE PARANORMAL. It could, in my opinion, be more accurately
named WITCH HUNTERS OF THE WORLD. When you examine the true definition
of the word "skeptic," and read what some writers of this Magazine spew
you will find that they are hardly "skeptics." More information about
this organization is in links from...

http://www.psicounsel.com/takstock.html

The true meaning of the words "bigotry" and "skepticism" are far apart, yet
some would have us believe that the intolerance of censoring bigots who
pretend to be skeptics, is that of skeptics.

A bigot is "a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her
own opinions and prejudices."

Skepticism is the doctrine that true knowledge, or knowledge in a particular
area, is uncertain." It is "the method of suspended judgment, systematic
doubt, or criticism characteristic of skeptics."

The above two quoted definitions are from...

Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary

I have discussed differences of opinion with rational skeptics about
psychic phenomena and health related issues in a number of newsgroups,
including alt.paranormal. I respect anyone's right to doubt, and to
express that doubt. I feel that claims and research findings in the
area of health and nutrition should be questioned, and verified. However,
witch hunting, censorship, and other forms of persecution are another
matter, altogether.

Censorship on the INTERNET:

http://www.psicounsel.com/discsens.html

Certain of these pseudo-skeptics practice witch hunting with about the
same lack of a rational approach as Senator Joseph McCarthy did with
his persecution of so-called "communists." It was called "McCarthism,"
and commonly associated with the term "witch hunting."

The mentality of such pseudo skeptics seems to be similar to religious
fundamentalists who attack healers, calling them "witches." The beliefs
and exact actions are not the same, but the mentality, or the tendency
to be so far detached from reality, seems to be. The primary source of
their motivation appears to be irrational fear and an unreasonable need
to save or control others.

More about the psychology of similar fanaticism is here...

http://www.psicounsel.com/why.html

During March of 2001 in postings to USENET newsgroups, some misguided
devoted followers who read SKEPTICAL INQUIRER attempted to debunk a
rapidly growing company that produces longevity and other health
related products. Their attempt, as usual, was without science
or reason. All they could come up with was quotes from the company
web site, citing their "feelings" that the claims were not right.
Evidently, they didn't have the intestinal fortitude to write to
the company and express their doubts, asking for evidence, or to
ask their questions about the evidence that had been presented.
Their primary aim seemed to be to contact the Food and Drug
Administration (FDA) to complain about writing they had little
understanding of. Again, that's the mentality of the witch
hunter. It's blind fanaticsm.

To read past postings to USENET, use GOOGLE archives:

http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search

That's the same kind of unscientific approach that the organizations they
follow,
such as the James Randi Educational Foundation (JREF), come up with.

Discrediting of Randi's so-called 1 million + dollar "challenge" to submit
viable evidence for psychic phenomena, and health related evidence, is here...

http://www.psicounsel.com/randicha.shtml

History is filled with the accounts of stupid bigots persecuting people who's
writing and
statements they could not understand. They could not distinguish the difference
between
knowledge that was beyond their ability to understand, and nonsense or heresy.

In February of 2001, someone wrote in a newsgroup about my reposting of Edmond
H. Wollmann's
writing. He said the writing could not be understood by anyone. I explained
the meanings
in a public posting. I pointed out that history shows that the persecutors of
those they
did not understood thought what they were hearing was incomprehensible babble.
The babbling
was what their own minds were mainly occupied with, so they thought it was
coming from outside.

On page 38 of SI, the term "...new age snake oil peddlers" is used in reference
to herbal and
homeopathic medicines, telling of how "credulous patients with serious illnesses
may forgo
effective medically supervised treatments."

More on HOMEOPATHY and the Randi so-called "challenge" here:

http://www.marius.net

This "snake oil peddlers" and other related words in the article show the same
witch hunt,
frantic mentality of those who's cry has been to promote legislation in the U.S.
that would
ban all vitamins from over-the-counter purchase, giving the authority to
licensed physicians
only. These people are such anal-retentive, control-freaks!

Of course, for every freedom that any nation has, there is subsequent risk of
self-abuse,
or abuse of others. The freedoms we might retain should be rationally weighed
with the risks.
Everyone has the right to make mistakes, and die because of them. Legislators
don't have
the right to act as parents of the adult population of any country. Would you
want ex-President
Clinton as your acting father, deciding upon what presently over-the-counter
vitamins and herbs
you should take without a physician's permission? He couldn't even decide upon
a discreet
location for his under-the-counter sexual activities.

On page 40 of SI they write that it "appears" some herbal medicines are
carcinogenic.
For more information about this magazine, see the CSICOP site:

http://www.csicop.org

In their November/December 2000 issue:

http://www.csicop.org/si/2000-11/beliefs.html

...they write:

"As far as our brain is concerned, there is
absolutely no need for data and belief to agree."

That I agree with. One can show all sorts of evidence about the JREF
"challenge"
to followers of James Randi and they will not feel any need to investigate it,
only a need to repeat what they last heard from their "amazing" Randi.

They write that...

"... the whole survival value of beliefs is based
on their ability to persist in the face
of contradictory evidence. Beliefs are not
supposed to change easily or simply in
response to disconfirming evidence."

For highly aware people who transcend old habits, the beliefs can be changed
because of evidence.

Page 37 of SI:

"Herbal medicines, are, in some ways, like
illicit drugs."

They cite the fact that street dealers of cocaine do not really know what,
exact, ingredients
are in the merchandise. Then they cite the limited information about the herbs,
as if the
herbs (by intimation) could be showing information that's nearly as limited, or
(by intimation) nearly as dangerous as cocaine. This is another example of the
"spin" of these people's writing, evidenced on USENET for years. See the GOOGLE
archives, referenced above, for past posts.

Page 38 of SI:

"So-called natural remedies are touted as safer
and healthier alternatives to synthetic
chemical pills [drugs] dispensed from their local
pharmacy."

They, supposedly, are not safer? I realize that certain herbs can be
detrimental to the human body, but comparing herbs, generally, with
drugs in that way is not good science.

There is a book review on page 60 of SI: PARANORMAL BELIEFS, A SOCIOLOGICAL
INTRODUCTION. "Paranormal" is defined as "events, phenomena, or powers that
** scientists regard as contrary to the laws of nature." "Goode's study
focuses upon... astrology and psychics, creationism, parapsychology, and
the belief that UFOs are real."

My comment: ** "scientists"? It's certainly not
all of them. The common belief of many of these reality
challenged fanatics is that no scientist could believe
in paranormal phenomena, or else they would not be
scientists.

On page 12 of SI, they report that

"Scientists (and others) have observed that
people who believe in the existence of
paranormal phenomena may have trouble
distinguishing fantasy from reality."

Some of the most realistic thinkers I've encountered are very skeptical, well
educated, and rational people. They are also paranormalists, astrologers,
and believe in alternative health methods. The above is just one of many
statements that reveal the bigotry of these fanatics -- not their "skepticism."
There is hardly any skepticism revealed from their group. See the definitions
of "bigot" and "skepticism" in this posting.

Can you believe they write this on page 12 of SI?

"Their beliefs may indicate an absence of critical
thinking skills neccessary not only for informed
decision making in the voting booth and in other
civic venues (for example, jury duty), but also for
making wise choices needed for day-to-day living."

Do you want one of these writers to have something to say about
legislation if you are interested in UFO phenomena, or the paranormal?
Do you want them taking your voting rights away because such bigots
think you are incompetent. I don't think so.

I know this is hardly possible because this organized so-called "skepticism"
is not popular, but if these people could get any collective power at all,
elderly people could be thrown in nursing homes for delving into astrology,
and considered unable to make "wise choices needed for day-to-day living."

This SKEPTICAL INQUIRER is suppoed to be, as stated on their cover, "The
Magazine for Science and Reason." "Reason"?

Go to any large magazine outlet. Skeptic magaines are, in my experience,
often not available. When they are, they come from 2 organizations.
An abundance of New Age, Alternative Medicine, and Psychic/astrology
oriented Magazines are there. You will find the same proportion of
such books in book stores, when compared to books by pseudo-skeptics.

The fact is that such pseudo-skeptic-fanatics are in a small minority in
the world. They are not well funded, and within a few years will probably
only be working part-time out of their houses, giving out pamphlets on
street corners as crusading losers like other religious fanatics. Eventually
their "magazines" will consist of stapled papers from copy machines, handed
out to friends by poor retired folks, since most of the prospering younger
people will no-longer follow the fanaticism of their parents or former
professors.

One realistic bit of information they report is that many people in the world
believe in
psychic Phenomena, Astrology, and UFOs. Whether the numbers they report are
completely
accurate, I do not know.

SI page 13:

"As many as one third [1/3] of Americans believe
in Astrology."

"Nearly half, [1/2] or more, believe
in Extra-Sensory-Perception."

"Between [1/3 and 1/2]... of Americans
believe in Unidentified Flying Objects (UFOs)."

Of course they are quite distressed about all this, thinking it's some detriment
to the
world. Imagine: they think paranormalists "cannot make wise choices needed for
day-to-day living." They blame the media to some extent. See...

http://www.psicounsel.com/takstock.html

...and find out more of their failed media campaign from years back.

The April 2001 Psychology Today Magazine reports:

"The number of Americans using
alternative therapies rose from
60 million in 1990, to 83 million
in 1997."

These numbers, PT Magazine says, are from (JAMA) Journal of the American Medical
Association.

Why do I write of these people, since they are of such a minor influence in the
world?
It is to educate people who find alternative medicine or psychic phenomena
valid, so
they know how to deal with them when legally confronted. Their influence,
though
limited, can be somewhat of a problem if others are not aware of them. Read the
referenced URLs in this post for more information.

Thank god the pseudo-skeptic-fanatics are a passing fad, failing fast in
popularity
and power world wide!

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[Lou Minatti®]

DanKettler wrote:
>
> First of all, John Benneth who advocated HOMEOPATHY as a positive medical
> benefit,

Bruce, I challenge you to cite cases where homeopathic "medicine" has
cured the following:

*Cancer
*Heart disease
*Pneumonia
*Any infectious disease

Legitimate cases. Thanks.

--
Great green globs of greasy grimy gopher guts.
http://www.watchingyou.com

[Number1Fred]

"DanKettler" <WEBSITE@kettlerenterprises_SEESIG.com> wrote in message
news:3CD3F434.DA85C382@kettlerenterprises_SEESIG.com...

>
> First of all, John Benneth who advocated HOMEOPATHY as a positive medical
> benefit, attempted to meet Randi's $1 million dollar so-called "challenge"
> to bring forth certain evidence specified by Randi.
>
> Randi refused HIS **OWN** CHALLENGE.
>

Happy horseshit, Kettler.

You claim to be a certified psychic. What are your psychic powers?

[William Cowper]

The bankruptcy-filing fraud DanKettler wrote:
>
...

> a wrote:
>
> > Reposting is LEGAL and ACCEPTABLE, and helps keep newsgroups ON TOPIC.

YES!

> >
> > http://www.ahealthyme.com/article/bellhowell/101142648
> >
> > Internet Health Fraud
> >
> > MaxCell BioScience, Inc., also doing business as Oasis Wellness
> > Network, based in Broomfield, Colorado, has been charged with
> > making numerous allegedly false and unsubstantiated health claims
> > for two products, Longevity Signal Formula ("LSF") and Anabolic/
> > Catabolic Index Test ("ACI Test"). The company claimed their
> > products could reverse the aging process.

...

>
> Why do you continue to repost this nonsense, this expression of
> hatred,

How is reposting public informations an expression of hatred, kook?

>trying to say I make, or made, fraudulent claims?

Because you did.

>
> Have you ever found out when I stopped my WEB reference
> to OASIS WELLNESS NETWORK? Do you know? Was it before
> or after the (US government agency) declaration that
> OASIS was engaged in fraudulent practices?

After.

>
> If you know this, then you should know a date for the change.

We don't really care about the exact date, so long as you finally took
down your fraudulent advertisements, you fucking fraud.

>
> You should, also, have some proof.
>
> Do you, really, have any idea why I made a change on
> the web site?

Yes. Some people complained, you got a stern letter, and you had to take
it down, you fraudulent piece of shit.

>
> You have stated many ideas, but they are just projections
> from your "brain." The fact is, I just don't engage in
> that type of business, at this time.

Yeah, not anymore, since it's fucking ILLEGAL and your illegal
fraudulence was EXPOSED!

You even admitted you were under investigation, stupid!

>
> <snip>
>
> > This is the same pyramid scheme Bruce Daniel Kettler advertised on
> > his web site at http://www.kettlerenterprises.com/os/index.html...
>
> First of all, I asked you to substantiate that it is, or ever was,
> a "pyramid scheme." You never did.

We asked you to substantiate your psychic poweres.

You never did.

> The marketing plan shown on the
> OASIS WELLNESS NETWORK web site shows it is not a pyramid scheme.

Bullshit.

>
> Do you even *know* what a pyramid scheme is?

Yes. It's what you were trying to promote on your website, fraud.

>
> OASIS would have been shut down long ago if they were a pyramid
> scheme.

They HAVE been shut down, stupid.
>

>
> This is about the marching soldiers
> of the INQUISITION -- the WITCH HUNTERS,

HAHAHAHAH!

Love the paranoia, KOOK!

Just stop being a fraudulent liar and be honest for once.

Tell us all what your spychic powers are and then prove that you use
them for the good of mankind.

[William Cowper]

"Lou MinattiŽ" wrote:
>
> DanKettler wrote:
> >
> > First of all, John Benneth who advocated HOMEOPATHY as a positive medical
> > benefit,
>
> Bruce, I challenge you to cite cases where homeopathic "medicine" has
> cured the following:
>
> *Cancer
> *Heart disease
> *Pneumonia
> *Any infectious disease
>
> Legitimate cases. Thanks.

Doesn't Bruce just use his phenomenal psychic powers to cure those?

[fred & michele]

"Number1Fred" <GypsyDoc...@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
news:1nUA8.203246$nc.26...@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com...

> Happy horseshit, Kettler.
>
> You claim to be a certified psychic. What are your psychic powers?

"Certified" psychic? Who certifies 'em?

Michele

[Dan Pressnell]

"fred & michele" <heal...@concentric.net> wrote in message
news:ab1gpt$i...@dispatch.concentric.net...

Some group that charges $35 for the certification.

Dan

[fred & michele]

"Dan Pressnell" <dan_pr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:h3YA8.31601$tT1.23...@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com...

>
> "fred & michele" <heal...@concentric.net> wrote in message
> news:ab1gpt$i...@dispatch.concentric.net...

> > "Certified" psychic? Who certifies 'em?

>
> Some group that charges $35 for the certification.

And besides 35 bucks, what does this group require for psychic
certification? A specific number of accurate predictions? An exam
administered by other psychics? [I suppose that last requirement would be
rather redundant though, as they would already know who would pass & who
wouldn't, right?]

Michele

[Cujo]

"fred & michele" <heal...@concentric.net> wrote in

news:ab1lgb$g...@dispatch.concentric.net:

> "Dan Pressnell" <dan_pr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:h3YA8.31601$tT1.23...@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com...
>>
>> "fred & michele" <heal...@concentric.net> wrote in message
>> news:ab1gpt$i...@dispatch.concentric.net...
>
>> > "Certified" psychic? Who certifies 'em?
>>
>> Some group that charges $35 for the certification.
>
>
> And besides 35 bucks, what does this group require for psychic
> certification?

A name to put on the certificate and a mailing address.

> A specific number of accurate predictions? An exam
> administered by other psychics? [I suppose that last requirement
> would be rather redundant though, as they would already know who would
> pass & who wouldn't, right?]

Yep. The ones who paid the fee.

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"fred & michele" <heal...@concentric.net> wrote in message

news:ab1lgb$g...@dispatch.concentric.net...

> "Dan Pressnell" <dan_pr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:h3YA8.31601$tT1.23...@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com...
> >
> > "fred & michele" <heal...@concentric.net> wrote in message
> > news:ab1gpt$i...@dispatch.concentric.net...
>
> > > "Certified" psychic? Who certifies 'em?
> >
> > Some group that charges $35 for the certification.
>
>
> And besides 35 bucks, what does this group require for psychic
> certification?

Nobody knows.

Dan

[Wally Anglesea™]

On Sat, 04 May 2002 14:46:29 GMT, DanKettler
<WEBSITE@kettlerenterprises_SEESIG.com> wrote:

>
>First of all, John Benneth who

faked AP press releases claiming amazing paranormal powers,
fraudulently, and ghoulishly making whacked out claims "on the backs"
of thousands who drowned in Africa, who steadfastly refuses to be
tested under scientific conditions, and who claimed that birds were
falling out of the skies of Australia in
flames.................................

need I go on?

<Snip>

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[Wally Anglesea™]

On 04 May 2002 15:12:01 GMT, Lou Minatti® <loumi...@nospam.com>
wrote:

>DanKettler wrote:
>>
>> First of all, John Benneth who advocated HOMEOPATHY as a positive medical
>> benefit,
>
>Bruce, I challenge you to cite cases where homeopathic "medicine" has
>cured the following:
>
>*Cancer
>*Heart disease
>*Pneumonia

Anthrax
I mean, seriously, if we are worried about anthrax, *all* any
government needs to do is to dilute anthrax to non-exisitence and
distribute it in the water supply.

>*Any infectious disease
>Legitimate cases. Thanks.

--

[Lou Minatti®]

BlueAce69 wrote:
>
> In article <3CD3FA...@nospam.com>, Lou says...

> >
> >DanKettler wrote:
> >>
> >> First of all, John Benneth who advocated HOMEOPATHY as a positive medical
> >> benefit,
> >
> >Bruce, I challenge you to cite cases where homeopathic "medicine" has
> >cured the following:
> >
> >*Cancer
> >*Heart disease
> >*Pneumonia
> >*Any infectious disease
> >
> >Legitimate cases. Thanks.
>

> How about baldness?

Or purple liver spots?

[Lou Minatti®]

Wally Anglesea™ wrote:
>
> On Sat, 04 May 2002 14:46:29 GMT, DanKettler
> <WEBSITE@kettlerenterprises_SEESIG.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >First of all, John Benneth who
>
> faked AP press releases claiming amazing paranormal powers,
> fraudulently, and ghoulishly making whacked out claims "on the backs"
> of thousands who drowned in Africa, who steadfastly refuses to be
> tested under scientific conditions, and who claimed that birds were
> falling out of the skies of Australia in
> flames.................................
>
> need I go on?

Oh, you are a mean close-minded skeptic.

[John Griffin]

"fred & michele" <heal...@concentric.net> wrote

It must be the Psecret Psychic Pcertification Psociety. None of those lying
assholes will address the question.

[John Griffin]

"fred & michele" <heal...@concentric.net> wrote in message

news:ab1lgb$g...@dispatch.concentric.net...

Edmond Wollman, P.M.A.F.A (Phony motherfucker and fraudulent asshole) and
other useless assholes like him test the psychics they hire to answer scam
lines. They have to be able to read a list of questions and then go to a
new page depending on the answers, and recite that page. They have to be
able to keep every caller on the line for at least 10 minutes. They have to
be intelligent enough to know when to go relieve themselves. They aren't
allowed to have any thoughts about ethics. They can have all the body odor
they want. They can be fat, ugly, stupid, skinny, moronic, flatulent,
desperate and hungry. The 10 minutes is the only thing that counts.

>
>

[BlueAce69]

In article <51o8du8kiqd2jk7sd...@4ax.com>, Wally says...

>
>On 04 May 2002 15:12:01 GMT, Lou Minatti® <loumi...@nospam.com>
>wrote:
>
>>DanKettler wrote:
>>>
>>> First of all, John Benneth who advocated HOMEOPATHY as a positive medical
>>> benefit,
>>
>>Bruce, I challenge you to cite cases where homeopathic "medicine" has
>>cured the following:
>>
>>*Cancer
>>*Heart disease
>>*Pneumonia
>
>Anthrax
>I mean, seriously, if we are worried about anthrax, *all* any
>government needs to do is to dilute anthrax to non-exisitence and
>distribute it in the water supply.

Has homeopathy addressed Mad Cow Disease? I bet diluted meat dosen't taste very
good.

[DanKettler]

"Lou MinattiŽ" wrote:

> DanKettler wrote:
> >
> > First of all, John Benneth who advocated HOMEOPATHY as a positive medical

> > benefit...

Continuing here with the URL you snipped. What is that about, and
how does that relate to the RANDI so-called "challenge" ? See
links from...

http://www.marius.net

> Bruce, I challenge you to cite cases where homeopathic "medicine" has
> cured the following:
>
> *Cancer
> *Heart disease
> *Pneumonia
> *Any infectious disease
>
> Legitimate cases. Thanks.

Since it was never an issue in my posting, it's
a "red herring" and I have no reply.

Oh, and " a, " one more question. Some months back,
you did answer something I'd written. It was rather
inane, but you did reply to that. You thanked me for
pointing out that OASIS WELLNESS NETWORK had continued
to tell of anti-aging products on their WEB SITE. You
told me you would let THEM know I'd pointed that out.
Then you said you were going to get some federal agency
to make them stop that.

The question: Did you get them to STOP THAT?

Oh, like a little child: MOMMY MAKE HIM STOP THAT!

Control freak!

Aw, does the frustration hurt?

More about PSEUDO-SKEPTIC-FANATIC (PSF) attempts, on and
off the net, to suppress alternative therapy and other
remedies, here...

http://www.psicounsel.com/sijf.html

> --
> Great green globs of greasy grimy gopher guts.
> http://www.watchingyou.com

--

[DanKettler]

Number1Fred

Message-ID: <1nUA8.203246$nc.26...@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>

wrote:

> > First of all, John Benneth who advocated HOMEOPATHY as a positive medical
> > benefit, attempted to meet Randi's $1 million dollar so-called "challenge"
> > to bring forth certain evidence specified by Randi.

> > Randi refused HIS **OWN** CHALLENGE.

> Happy hore*hit, Kettler.

> You claim to be a certified psychic. What are your psychic powers?

And, supposedly my psychic powers have something to
do with the Randi challenge to show certain proofs
regarding HOMEOPATHY.

You snipped the URL that contains links which give documented
evidence about Benneth, Randi, and the so-called "challenge"
to show certain evidence.

http://www.marius.net

My psychic powers have nothing, at all, to do with this
documented evidence, and homeopathy.

They have nothing, at all, to do with what I've written
about the PSEUDO-SKEPTIC-FANATIC (PSF) attempts to suppress
alternative medicine...

http://www.psicounsel.com/sijf.html

You people constantly write irrelevancy. You hardly
ever answer questions, nor will you discuss issues.
Instead you simple-minded people think that if you
attack people with lies, the issues will go away.

What are you running from?

[DanKettler]

***************************************************
The "Randi Challenge"

What is it?

Supposedly, Randi and the JREF will dispense
with 1 million + dollars for certain evidence
regarding HOMEOPATHY, psychic phenomena, etc.

Would they?

You be the judge.
**************************************************

"Wally Anglesea™" wrote:

> >First of all, John Benneth who

<snipped>

> faked AP press releases...

The matter of alleged "faked" AP press releases was dealt
with on USENET, by me. After I dealt with it, none of you
had a reply.

Now, like a parrot you go on repeating yourself.

GOOGLE archives show past posts...

http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search

Then, again, I have pointed out, and proven, that
the credibility of John Benneth is not an issue,
since the documented evidence has to do with others,
including a Nobel Laureate.

Evidence in this matter is at, and linked from...

http://www.marius.net

All most of you people have are ad-hominem attacks.

Are you too stupid, too lazy, or just too dishonest to
deal with issues rather than attack people with lies?
Could it be all of the above?

More on the activities and mentality of PSEUDO-SKEPTIC-FANATICS
(PSF) by typing...

" skeptics what they do and why "

...in nearly any search engine.

> ...claiming amazing paranormal powers...

...which have nothing to do with documented evidence, vouched
for by other prominent scientists (including a Nobel Laureate),
about what took place between BENNETH, RANDI, and others.

Why do you people think "red herrings" make sense?

What is a "red herring" ?

See here...

http://www.psicounsel.com/logic.html

> <snip> who steadfastly refuses to be
> tested under scientific conditions...

Who offered Randi, again and again, to be
tested, and was REFUSED by Randi.

The time element shows REFUSAL. Randi
will, still, not test Benneth. I asked
him about a year ago. He again refused.
See GOOGLE archives for the exchange of
posts.

So, in light of all the evidence of
facts pointed out to you over and
over, you are a liar.

<snip>

[john]

Lou Minatti? <loumi...@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<3CD3FA...@nospam.com>...

> DanKettler wrote:
> >
> > First of all, John Benneth who advocated HOMEOPATHY as a positive medical
> > benefit,
>
> Bruce, I challenge you to cite cases where homeopathic "medicine" has
> cured the following:
>
> *Cancer

It's illegal for a homeopath to treat cancer. The allopaths have that
sown up. The allopaths can't cure cancer, by the way, and kill most
of their patients with chemo.

> *Heart disease

Allopaths can't cure that.

> *Pneumonia
> *Any infectious disease

"Not one case receiving homeopathic care died, while the "old school"
doctors lost twenty percent of their (smallpox) cases."--W. L.
Bonnell, MD http://www.whale.to/v/bonnell.html

john

[Lou Minatti®]

DanKettler wrote:
>
> "Lou MinattiŽ" wrote:

> > Bruce, I challenge you to cite cases where homeopathic "medicine" has
> > cured the following:
> >
> > *Cancer
> > *Heart disease
> > *Pneumonia
> > *Any infectious disease
> >
> > Legitimate cases. Thanks.
>
> Since it was never an issue in my posting, it's
> a "red herring" and I have no reply.

Weaseling out of my challenge noted.

You promote homeopathy, Bruce. Since you cannot cite any valid cases
where homeopathy actually works, why do you believe in it? Is homeopathy
one of your religions?

> Oh, and " a, " one more question. Some months back,
> you did answer something I'd written. It was rather
> inane, but you did reply to that. You thanked me for
> pointing out that OASIS WELLNESS NETWORK had continued
> to tell of anti-aging products on their WEB SITE. You
> told me you would let THEM know I'd pointed that out.
> Then you said you were going to get some federal agency
> to make them stop that.
>
> The question: Did you get them to STOP THAT?

I said this? Message ID please. Or did someone else say this? It's hard
to follow because your writing is so incoherent.

[Lou Minatti®]

DanKettler wrote:

> You people constantly write irrelevancy.

Questions about your "psychic powers" are not irrelevant, Bruce. Why are
you afraid to tell us what your psychic powers are? I think it's pretty
gutless to sell yourself as a "psychic counselor" and then refuse to
tell people what your magic powers really are.

> You hardly
> ever answer questions, nor will you discuss issues.
> Instead you simple-minded people think that if you
> attack people with lies, the issues will go away.
>
> What are you running from?

You're the only one running, Bruce.

[Lou Minatti®]

DanKettler wrote:

> "Wally Anglesea™" wrote:
>
> > >First of all, John Benneth who
>
> <snipped>
>
> > faked AP press releases...
>
> The matter of alleged "faked" AP press releases was dealt
> with on USENET, by me. After I dealt with it, none of you
> had a reply.

Really? Message ID, please. Thanks.

BTW, you claim to have magic psychic powers. So what can you do with
those powers?

[Matt Kriebel]

In article <3CD546...@nospam.com>,
Lou Minatti® <loumi...@nospam.com> wrote:

> DanKettler wrote:
>
> > "Wally Anglesea™" wrote:
> >
> > > >First of all, John Benneth who
> >
> > <snipped>
> >
> > > faked AP press releases...
> >
> > The matter of alleged "faked" AP press releases was dealt
> > with on USENET, by me. After I dealt with it, none of you
> > had a reply.
>
> Really? Message ID, please. Thanks.

Pheh, when Kettler says he "dealt with" something, it just means he
stomped his feet and cried "PSF! PSF!" in the post. Then he convinces
himself that he made a brilliant observation.

Benneth faked AP relseases on USENET to cover his ass.

--
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mkr...@cruzio.com *
*********************************************************************
Now 90% closer to 80% of the world's kooks!

[Number1Fred]

"DanKettler" <WEBSITE@kettlerenterprises_SEESIG.com> wrote in message

news:3CD530D1.9A8AB0A2@kettlerenterprises_SEESIG.com...

> Number1Fred
>
> Message-ID: <1nUA8.203246$nc.26...@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>
>
> wrote:
>
> > > First of all, John Benneth who advocated HOMEOPATHY as a positive
medical
> > > benefit, attempted to meet Randi's $1 million dollar so-called
"challenge"
> > > to bring forth certain evidence specified by Randi.
>
> > > Randi refused HIS **OWN** CHALLENGE.
>
> > Happy hore*hit, Kettler.
>
> > You claim to be a certified psychic. What are your psychic powers?
>
> And, supposedly my psychic powers have something to
> do with the Randi challenge to show certain proofs
> regarding HOMEOPATHY.
>
> You snipped the URL that contains links which give documented
> evidence about Benneth, Randi, and the so-called "challenge"
> to show certain evidence.
>
> http://www.marius.net
>
> My psychic powers have nothing, at all, to do with this
> documented evidence, and homeopathy.
>
> They have nothing, at all, to do with what I've written
> about the PSEUDO-SKEPTIC-FANATIC (PSF) attempts to suppress
> alternative medicine...
>

snip your advertising

> You people constantly write irrelevancy. You hardly
> ever answer questions, nor will you discuss issues.
> Instead you simple-minded people think that if you
> attack people with lies, the issues will go away.
>
> What are you running from?

This has got to be the funniest line you've ever offered Kettler. Why don't
you tellus what your psychic powers are. What are you running from?

As for homeopathy and the Randi challenge, I don't need your lies or that
link o' lies about this case, I was here to wach it all go down, including
Benneth's weaseling meltdown (or was it the birds of Australia than melted
down). Benneth has no credibility anywhere and neither do you.

So what are your psychic powers? Don't run away now, just answer the
question.

[Rich Andrews]

"Number1Fred" <GypsyDoc...@cfl.rr.com> wrote in
news:g2gB8.208315$nc.28...@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com:

Since this thread has mutated into a discussion about psychic power, could
you please not crossspost this on MHA?

TIA

rich

--
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numbered...My life is my own."

"I am not a number. I am a free man."
No. 6

[Wally Anglesea™]

On Sun, 05 May 2002 13:37:12 GMT, DanKettler
<WEBSITE@kettlerenterprises_SEESIG.com> wrote:

>
>***************************************************
>The "Randi Challenge"
>
>What is it?
>
>Supposedly, Randi and the JREF will dispense
>with 1 million + dollars for certain evidence
>regarding HOMEOPATHY, psychic phenomena, etc.
>
>Would they?
>
>You be the judge.
>**************************************************
>
>"Wally Anglesea™" wrote:
>
>> >First of all, John Benneth who
>
><snipped>
>
>> faked AP press releases...
>
>The matter of alleged "faked" AP press releases was dealt
>with on USENET, by me.

Nothing "alleged" about it, kook. you *know* that the fraud Benneth
did so.

> After I dealt with it, none of you
>had a reply.

Really, stomping you feet and putting your fingers in your ears so you
can't hear it is not "dealing with it", you idiot.

<SNIP>

[Cujo]

DanKettler <WEBSITE@kettlerenterprises_SEESIG.com> wrote in
news:3CD52DBB.DC10A576@kettlerenterprises_SEESIG.com:

> "Lou MinattiŽ" wrote:
>
>> DanKettler wrote:
>> >
>> > First of all, John Benneth who advocated HOMEOPATHY as a positive
>> > medical benefit...
>
> Continuing here with the URL you snipped. What is that about, and
> how does that relate to the RANDI so-called "challenge" ? See
> links from...
>

> http://www.kookiest.net <- De-Kookified!

What are his credentials other that faking news stories, weaseling and
goofy predictions?

>> Bruce, I challenge you to cite cases where homeopathic "medicine" has
>> cured the following:
>>
>> *Cancer
>> *Heart disease
>> *Pneumonia
>> *Any infectious disease
>>
>> Legitimate cases. Thanks.
>
> Since it was never an issue in my posting, it's
> a "red herring" and I have no reply.

Weaseling noted, Brucie.

> Oh, and " a, " one more question. Some months back,
> you did answer something I'd written. It was rather
> inane, but you did reply to that.

Thanks for admitting what you write is inane.

> You thanked me for
> pointing out that OASIS WELLNESS NETWORK had continued
> to tell of anti-aging products on their WEB SITE. You
> told me you would let THEM know I'd pointed that out.
> Then you said you were going to get some federal agency
> to make them stop that.
>
> The question: Did you get them to STOP THAT?

I imagine the government did, dumbfuck.

> Oh, like a little child: MOMMY MAKE HIM STOP THAT!
>
> Control freak!

Nothing like you and your buddy Edmo, Brucie.

> Aw, does the frustration hurt?

Projection noted.

> More about PSEUDO-SKEPTIC-FANATIC (PSF) attempts, on and
> off the net, to suppress alternative therapy and other
> remedies, here...
>

> http://www.psicons.com/kook.html <- De-Kookified!!1!!

"Thank god the pseudo-skeptic-fanatics are a passing fad, failing fast
in popularity and power world wide!" - Brucie Kettler fucking up another
prediction.

[Cujo]

DanKettler <WEBSITE@kettlerenterprises_SEESIG.com> wrote in
news:3CD5357F.CFA93648@kettlerenterprises_SEESIG.com:

>
> ***************************************************
> The "Randi Challenge"
>
> What is it?
>
> Supposedly, Randi and the JREF will dispense
> with 1 million + dollars for certain evidence
> regarding HOMEOPATHY, psychic phenomena, etc.
>
> Would they?
>
> You be the judge.
> **************************************************
>
> "Wally Anglesea™" wrote:
>
>> >First of all, John Benneth who
>
> <snipped>
>
>> faked AP press releases...
>
> The matter of alleged "faked" AP press releases was dealt
> with on USENET, by me. After I dealt with it, none of you
> had a reply.
>

I see. You dealt with them by denying they were fake or that Benneth
faked them? Let's see the message-id for that post.

[Happy Dog]

"DanKettler" <WEBSITE@kettlerenterprises_SEESIG.com> wrote in message

> First of all, John Benneth who advocated HOMEOPATHY as a positive medical

> benefit, attempted to meet Randi's $1 million dollar so-called "challenge"
> to bring forth certain evidence specified by Randi.

Liar. Why doesn't somebody do a definative debunking page on this kook. I
have the letter from Benneth's staunchest supporter, Syd Baumel, who finally
had to admit that Benneth wasn't ever going to play fairly. Most of his
other supporters also agreed.
erf

[Lou Minatti®]

Ilsa Nein wrote:
>
> >"Number1Fred" <GypsyDoc...@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
> >news:1nUA8.203246$nc.26...@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com...
> >

> >> Happy horseshit, Kettler.

> >>
> >> You claim to be a certified psychic. What are your psychic powers?
> >

> >"Certified" psychic? Who certifies 'em?
> >

> >Michele
> >
>
> Don't Psychiatrists & Psychologists certify their ilk?

After rigorous testing, yes. So what rigorous tests do psychics go
through before receiving their psychic diploma?

[John Griffin]

"DanKettler" <WEB...@kettlerSCAMS.com> wrote

>
> ***************************************************
> The "Randi Challenge"
>
> What is it?

Your next-to-worst nightmare (after just being you).

You can swindle gullible old ladies, but you can't demonstrate
any "paranormal powers" because you don't have any.

[digger]

"Happy Dog" <happ...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

You know he's lying, we know, even bDAN knows. But he didn't get
to be Usenet Kook of the Year for 1997 by changing his
robo-screeds when he was corrected, let alone admitting he's ever
wrong.

Sane people might at least blush about being so doggedly wrong.
You have to understand, kooks don't think like that. That's why
they call them kooks.

[William Cowper]

DanKettler wrote:
>
> "Lou MinattiŽ" wrote:
>
> > DanKettler wrote:
> > >
> > > First of all, John Benneth who advocated HOMEOPATHY as a positive medical
> > > benefit...
>
> Continuing here with the URL you snipped.

Well, let's not.

Hey, he asked you a question, and you evaded it in a dishonest, cowardly fashion.

What's up with that?

Here's a question for you:

[William Cowper]

DanKettler wrote:
>
> Number1Fred
>
> Message-ID: <1nUA8.203246$nc.26...@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>
>
> wrote:
>
> > > First of all, John Benneth who advocated HOMEOPATHY as a positive medical
> > > benefit, attempted to meet Randi's $1 million dollar so-called "challenge"
> > > to bring forth certain evidence specified by Randi.
>
> > > Randi refused HIS **OWN** CHALLENGE.
>
> > Happy hore*hit, Kettler.
>
> > You claim to be a certified psychic. What are your psychic powers?
>
> And, supposedly my psychic powers have something to
> do with the Randi challenge to show certain proofs
> regarding HOMEOPATHY.

...

>
> What are you running from?

What are YOU running from, you cowardly fucking asshole?

He asked you a simple question!

Your website boasts of a certification as a psychic!

So what are your powers, dipshit?

[William Cowper]

DanKettler wrote:
>
> ***************************************************
> The "Randi Challenge"
>
> What is it?

Something you don't have the balls to take, you mincing little pansy.

[William Cowper]

"Lou MinattiŽ" wrote:
>
> Ilsa Nein wrote:
> >
> > >"Number1Fred" <GypsyDoc...@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
> > >news:1nUA8.203246$nc.26...@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com...
> > >
> > >> Happy horseshit, Kettler.
> > >>
> > >> You claim to be a certified psychic. What are your psychic powers?
> > >
> > >"Certified" psychic? Who certifies 'em?
> > >
> > >Michele
> > >
> >
> > Don't Psychiatrists & Psychologists certify their ilk?
>
> After rigorous testing, yes. So what rigorous tests do psychics go
> through before receiving their psychic diploma?

The $20, $10, and $5 dollar bills offered up for the certification are
all snapped crisply and held up to a light to make sure they are real.

If they fail any of these rigorous tests, new ones are requested until
they DO pass.

It really is a foolproof system!

[Number1Fred]

"Rich Andrews" <nos...@charter.net> wrote in message
news:Xns92059ECACDD3E...@209.249.90.101...

You asking the wrong person. Ask Kettler why he crossposts. It's a common
tactic of his.

[Peter Bowditch]

digger <b...@example.com> wrote:

Benneth resurfaced the other day to congratulate me for writing about
him. He said:

>Hey, just read your review of me and wanted to thank you for the free
>press. Guys like you make guys like me look good. Benneth

The "review" he is talking about is at
http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/benneth.htm

So I can only agree with the comment distinguishing sane people from
kooks.

--
Peter Bowditch pet...@ratbags.com
Mad - Quintessence of the Loon http://www.ratbags.com/loon
Bad - The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
Sad - Full Canvas Jacket http://www.ratbags.com/ranters

[Lawrence Silverstein]

Peter Bowditch <pet...@ratbags.com> wrote in message news:<2uihdusvbo672nkfs...@4ax.com>...

What unfortunate Mr. Bowditch fails to graps is that his web site
reads more like an annex to his medical chart or an exhibit from a
civil action for libel and defamation. Perhaps, once the Serzone kicks
in and his liver shuts down, he might realize what fucking imbecile he
is. If not, surely his deary wife, Virginia, and his "fail-to-thrive"
daugther, Belinda, will be thankful the good man is no more.

[Wally Anglesea™]

On 8 May 2002 17:09:51 -0700, silverstei...@hotmail.com
(Lawrence Silverstein) wrote:

awwwww,, you must have gotten bitchslapped on his site huh?

[Wally Anglesea™]

Oh, yeah,

it's here:

http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/onews/index.html

do a search for Sliverstein, and have a good laugh at his crazy
antics.

[Kevin Holman]

I condense:
>This post is about ... SKEPTICAL INQUIRER, a
>Magazine which the publishers call "The
>Magazine for Science and reason." ...
>illustrative of the typical WITCH HUNT
>mentality of psuedo skeptics.

But the "witch hunt" analogy doesn't really apply to skeptics, does it?

The "witch hunters" of Salem (and, for that matter, those of the
McCarthy era) were credulous, irrational people that brought pain and
suffering to the innocent by acting on crazy beliefs. That sort of
person is the *enemy* of skeptics.

Kev

[Peter Bowditch]

Wally Anglesea™ <wang...@spbigpondam.net.au> wrote:

>On Thu, 09 May 2002 01:54:44 GMT, Wally Anglesea™
><wang...@spbigpondam.net.au> wrote:
>
>>On 8 May 2002 17:09:51 -0700, silverstei...@hotmail.com
>>(Lawrence Silverstein) wrote:

<snip stuff we've all read twice before>

>>>
>>>What unfortunate Mr. Bowditch fails to graps is that his web site
>>>reads more like an annex to his medical chart or an exhibit from a
>>>civil action for libel and defamation. Perhaps, once the Serzone kicks
>>>in and his liver shuts down, he might realize what fucking imbecile he
>>>is. If not, surely his deary wife, Virginia, and his "fail-to-thrive"
>>>daugther, Belinda, will be thankful the good man is no more.
>>
>>
>>awwwww,, you must have gotten bitchslapped on his site huh?
>
>
>Oh, yeah,
>
>it's here:
>
>http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/onews/index.html
>
>do a search for Sliverstein, and have a good laugh at his crazy
>antics.

I suppose I should nominate Mr O'Neill for Kook of the Something. The
last time I ran him through the Kook Appraisal Index he scored an
amazing 96! (No, not factorial 96. Even I would not tangle with such a
person.)

[digger]

Peter Bowditch <pet...@ratbags.com> wrote:

Cool. I hate to tell you this, but the individual who created
Benneth's marius.com pages was Bruce Kettler. I'm sure you'll see
a similarity.

I'm especially intrigued by the claim that Benneth stated he had
already won the Randi challenge. The late, great Curley said the
same thing. Can you tell us the circumstances in which JB said
that?

[Wally Anglesea™]

On Thu, 09 May 2002 02:15:44 GMT, Peter Bowditch <pet...@ratbags.com>
wrote:

>Wally Anglesea™ <wang...@spbigpondam.net.au> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 09 May 2002 01:54:44 GMT, Wally Anglesea™
>><wang...@spbigpondam.net.au> wrote:
>>
>>>On 8 May 2002 17:09:51 -0700, silverstei...@hotmail.com
>>>(Lawrence Silverstein) wrote:
>
><snip stuff we've all read twice before>
>
>>>>
>>>>What unfortunate Mr. Bowditch fails to graps is that his web site
>>>>reads more like an annex to his medical chart or an exhibit from a
>>>>civil action for libel and defamation. Perhaps, once the Serzone kicks
>>>>in and his liver shuts down, he might realize what fucking imbecile he
>>>>is. If not, surely his deary wife, Virginia, and his "fail-to-thrive"
>>>>daugther, Belinda, will be thankful the good man is no more.
>>>
>>>
>>>awwwww,, you must have gotten bitchslapped on his site huh?
>>
>>
>>Oh, yeah,
>>
>>it's here:
>>
>>http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/onews/index.html
>>
>>do a search for Sliverstein, and have a good laugh at his crazy
>>antics.
>
>I suppose I should nominate Mr O'Neill for Kook of the Something. The
>last time I ran him through the Kook Appraisal Index he scored an
>amazing 96! (No, not factorial 96. Even I would not tangle with such a
>person.)

If KOTM wa still operational, he'd be a shoe-in. He has *all* of the
hallmarks. I wonder if he's been channeling Earl? I mean, he uses a
lot of the same phrases....

[Cujo]

Wally Anglesea™ <wang...@spbigpondam.net.au> wrote in
news:49akdu4fmelnph74j...@4ax.com:

http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/onews/index.html
Between Twacky and this loon, there's no more compelling argument in
getting the awards started back up. Do it, please.

[Alex Brady]

Cujo <cu...@petitmorte.net> wrote in
news:Xns920946AF7166As...@209.249.90.101:

> Wally Anglesea™ <wang...@spbigpondam.net.au> wrote in
> news:49akdu4fmelnph74j...@4ax.com:
>

>> If KOTM wa still operational, he'd be a shoe-in. He has *all* of
>> the hallmarks. I wonder if he's been channeling Earl? I mean, he
>> uses a lot of the same phrases....
>
> http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/onews/index.html
> Between Twacky and this loon, there's no more compelling argument
> in getting the awards started back up. Do it, please.

Yeah, and give Wollmann the awards he's been due retrospectively.