"The General"
Nate Engle
I believe that Jed & Co must be pulling my leg. The newsletter
describing the conference arrived yesterday with the headline
"Conference '98: Raising an _Army_". The text was liberally
speckled with military metaphors ("We sent out storm troopers
to five area campuses each day", "With the growth of our
military, we need an increase in our supplies", etc). "The
General" is a nickname which Jed's fellow ministers have begun
to use for him. Of course so far none of them look particularly
militaristic - all of their fire is in words, not guns. One of
these days, though, it might not be out of the question to see
Jed show up in fatigues and a Castro-style beard.
It appears that Jed's ministers are susceptable to spring this
year. In addition to Dr Johnston and his wife Elizabeth whose
vows Jed presided over this past winter, Chuck Spingola is also
married now, along with Ken Jones who actually got married in
Nashville while en route to the Conference. All three couples
are either moving or already moved to Newark, OH - good news
for us mid-westerners, not so good for the folks in Georgia,
San Francisco, and Florida where they had previously been
based.
On the home front, a personal note - 2 weeks ago my wife Cathy
filed for divorce from me to bring an end to a marriage in which
she had gradually lost the element of affection as years went
by. Her plans are to return to her lifelong dream of returning
to school, becoming a veterinarian, and maybe finally gaining
some respect from her father the professor.
I suppose Erin will be shocked and disgusted that I'm not putting
up a fight to keep Cathy in the marriage, but I guess that's a
difference between me and her. I don't have to like Cathy's
decision to leave, but if I respect her as a person and believe
she's grown up enough to make up her own mind (which I do) then
I feel like I have to support her decision. Fortunately there
are no kids to complicate matters. She's taking 3 of the cats
(all the cuddly ones), and I'm keeping the other 3 (the ones
with behavior disorders like spraying and "excessive prudence")...
--
Nathan Engle
Shop Steward Electron Juggler's Guild, Local #1
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"Some Assembly Required"
Scott Eiler
In article <3583C4...@indiana.edu>,
Nate Engle <nen...@indiana.edu> wrote:
>I believe that Jed & Co must be pulling my leg. The newsletter
>describing the conference arrived yesterday with the headline
>"Conference '98: Raising an _Army_". The text was liberally
>speckled with military metaphors ("We sent out storm troopers
>to five area campuses each day", "With the growth of our
>military, we need an increase in our supplies", etc).
You don't read a lot of fundamentalist Christian literature other than
Brother Jed's, do you, Nathan? Military metaphors are not terribly
unusual, and have a basis in the Bible (though admittedly farming metaphors
are more common and have more basis). And Bro Jed's organization probably
hasn't considered that it has Taoist supporters. If they knew they had
one, they'd probably be horrified.
>On the home front, a personal note - 2 weeks ago my wife Cathy
>filed for divorce from me to bring an end to a marriage in which
>she had gradually lost the element of affection as years went
>by.
You have my condolences or congratulations, whichever are appropriate.
>I suppose Erin will be shocked and disgusted that I'm not putting
>up a fight to keep Cathy in the marriage, but I guess that's a
>difference between me and her. I don't have to like Cathy's
>decision to leave, but if I respect her as a person and believe
>she's grown up enough to make up her own mind (which I do) then
>I feel like I have to support her decision.
There are rules in the letters of Paul to support letting your mate go if
she wants to.
>Fortunately there are no kids to complicate matters.
Congratulations on the latter. Wanna come hang out in
alt.support.childfree?
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ELSMANLAW
Nate:
You commented on General Jed, etc.
>
>I believe that Jed & Co must be pulling my leg. The newsletter
>describing the conference arrived yesterday with the headline
>"Conference '98: Raising an _Army_". The text was liberally
>speckled with military metaphors ("We sent out storm troopers
>to five area campuses each day", "With the growth of our
First, I will demur re commenting on such military language by Jed, except to
say that Ephesians 6 clearly discusses spiritual Warfare, but Jed was probably
trying to pick a theme for the Newsletter and not give himself a title or
position. To many of us that work with him, he is just an equal before the
Lord, not someone we call "General". I suspect such a moniker will not gain
wide circulation, and that the Students will more readily accept Jed as
"Brother Jed".
Second, I know you did not put your marriage up for a vote, but I suggest it is
Biblical to fight for your wife and your marriage, lest you be complicitous in
evil, i.e. Divorce. Indeed, if you do not fight to keep your woman, it seems
the message to her is that you do not consider her of value nor someone you
love. Fight man! This has eternal consequences, besides the immediate
consequences of failure. Jesus, help him, not matter who he is and what he has
done to YOU. You came to us, Lord. We did not persue YOU. Amen. FIGHT!
Lawyer Jim, checking to find signs of life
on this Group, and finding little., only death.of a marriage.
Erin Glaser
In article, Nate Engle <nen...@indiana.edu> wrote:
>On the home front, a personal note - 2 weeks ago my wife Cathy
>filed for divorce from me to bring an end to a marriage in which
>she had gradually lost the element of affection as years went
>by. Her plans are to return to her lifelong dream of returning
>to school, becoming a veterinarian, and maybe finally gaining
>some respect from her father the professor.
>I suppose Erin will be shocked and disgusted that I'm not putting
>up a fight to keep Cathy in the marriage, but I guess that's a
>difference between me and her.
No, I'm neither shocked nor disgusted. For one thing I have no direct
knowledge of your situation, and therefore it would be irresponsible
and hypocritical of me to pass judgment on it. Besides, if it was
your wife's decision to leave, you have done nothing wrong.
Separation and civil divorce are not necessarily bad things in certain
circumstances. It's just that I believe they do nothing to change
your spiritually married state.
> I don't have to like Cathy's
>decision to leave, but if I respect her as a person and believe
>she's grown up enough to make up her own mind (which I do) then
>I feel like I have to support her decision.
The only decision you have to support is a decision which you think is
right, or at least not wrong.
I hope all works out for each of you.
Erin \----------------------------------------------------/
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Joshua Weiner
Hehe... I'm in New York now. Oh dear this isn't a bit like Ohio which is
GOOD. (appoligies to anyone who actually likes where they are in ohio,
sorry but I haven't had a decient taco in the state so I don't have too
much respect for it).
ELSMANLAW (elsm...@aol.com) wrote:
: First, I will demur re commenting on such military language by Jed, except to
: say that Ephesians 6 clearly discusses spiritual Warfare, but Jed was probably
: trying to pick a theme for the Newsletter and not give himself a title or
: position. To many of us that work with him, he is just an equal before the
: Lord, not someone we call "General". I suspect such a moniker will not gain
: wide circulation, and that the Students will more readily accept Jed as
: "Brother Jed".
I think it has very little to do with the bible and more to do with this
whole idea of taking charge of things. Things like the government and
american life and society. Little things like that. Also the whole idea
of regimentation and the militaristic lifestyle and its appeal to those
who find strict order refreshing in the face of our chaotic society
probably provides an important boost. The sort of ideas that promote the
image of little professional punks like myself deported to a far away land
(please make it the Netherlands, the coffee and chocolate are excellent
there) do have a certain special appeal to the fundie camp.
As far as the divorice. I hope you two can eventually sort things out.
Sometimes done is done and that's just how it is. People change and
sometimes they don't change together. I just had to let go of a close
friend for an unspecified length of time before she knits her silly little
psyche back together. Bonds between people have nothing to do with the
law or customs but have to do with the feelings between the people.
Trying to hold onto something that isn't there is just abuse towards both
parties.
--
Strangelove*|*jwe...@physics.oberlin.edu*|*Joshua Weiner
Pope of the Church of the Invisible Pink Unicorn
http://www.physics.oberlin.edu/students/jweiner
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BeYontRy
<Comments interspersed>
Nathan posts, in part:
>
>I believe that Jed & Co must be pulling my leg. The newsletter
>describing the conference arrived yesterday with the headline
>"Conference '98: Raising an _Army_". The text was liberally
>speckled with military metaphors ("We sent out storm troopers
>to five area campuses each day", "With the growth of our
>military, we need an increase in our supplies", etc). "The
>General" is a nickname which Jed's fellow ministers have begun
>to use for him.
>
A lot of God salesmen (new and used) like military metaphors. It conjures up
noble, inspiring images of them fighting the good fight, bravely standing
against impossible odds, etc. "Onward, Xian soldiers . . ."
Some even call for violent acts. Interesting combination.
>
>On the home front, a personal note - 2 weeks ago my wife Cathy
>filed for divorce from me to bring an end to a marriage in which
>she had gradually lost the element of affection as years went
>by. . . . I don't have to like Cathy's
>decision to leave, but if I respect her as a person and believe
>she's grown up enough to make up her own mind (which I do) then
>I feel like I have to support her decision.
>
Too bad; I hope that you can get through this with a minimum of trauma and
pain. It's good that the respect is still there, though.
>
>Fortunately there
>are no kids to complicate matters. She's taking 3 of the cats
>(all the cuddly ones), and I'm keeping the other 3 (the ones
>with behavior disorders like spraying and "excessive prudence")...
>
Fortunate indeed. The welfare of children is too often ignored in the rush to
use them as a club on the other side. BTW, I was raised by cats, but I've
never seen anything remotely like "prudence" in one. How can you tell?
The Beyonder
BeYontRy
I tried to encode "Signs of Life" to post here, but the wav file was just too
big. I recommend "Terminal Frost" from teh same album, though.
;-)
The Beyonder
Jim posts, in part:
BeYontRy
And won't a LOT of Christians be surprised to find themselves listed amoung us
heathen "them?"
The Beyonder
Joshua posts, in part:
<On militaristic language and imagery in some Xian propoganda>
sei...@ma.ultranet.com
In article <199806170058...@ladder03.news.aol.com>,
beyo...@aol.com (BeYontRy) wrote:
>
> I tried to encode "Signs of Life" to post here, but the wav file was just too
> big. I recommend "Terminal Frost" from teh same album, though.
> ;-)
Oh, I get it. Ha. Ha. B{P>
But it is nice to see that everyone's done with final exams.
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sei...@ma.ultranet.com
In article <199806170104...@ladder03.news.aol.com>,
beyo...@aol.com (BeYontRy) wrote:
>
> And won't a LOT of Christians be surprised to find themselves listed amoung us
> heathen "them?"
Yes they will. And a lot of you heathen will be surprised to find yourselves
listed among us faithful. Jesus promised as much, in the parable of the sheep
and the goats.
Melindalfa
How did you get a newletter from him? Ken Jones infiltrated our church 6
months ago, and married one of my friends, a very sweet, but very niave 19
year old. I wonder does she have any idea what's in store for her? Please
help - how can I get more info on Jed & Co ?
sei...@ma.ultranet.com
In article <199806250027...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
Our newsgroup FAQ is at http://www.ultranet.com/~seiler/jedfaq.htm .
Jed & Co's own page is http://www.brojed.org/ .