Maternal ancestry of Walter the Steward
Suzanne Doig
maternal ancestry of Walter the Steward 1292-1326. Can anyone clarify,
preferably with sources?
Person #1 in all cases is Walter and #2 is his father James the
Steward c1243-1309.
#A3. Cecilia DUNBAR
#A6. Patrick 'Black Beard', 7th Earl of Dunbar c1241-1308
#A7. Marjory COMYN
#A14. Alexander COMYN, 2nd Earl of Buchan -1289
#A15. Elizabeth de QUINCEY -1328
#B3. Cecilia DUNBAR
#B6. Patrick 'Black Beard', 7th Earl of Dunbar c1241-1308
#B7. Christina BRUCE
#B14. Robert VI BRUCE, Lord of Annandale 1210-1295
#B15. Christiana de IREBY -c1305 *or* Isabel de CLARE 1226-1254
[I have seen doubts cast on a line thru Christina Bruce, but with no
reasons given].
#C3. Egidia/Gille de BURGH
#C6. Walter de BURGH, Earl of Ulster c1230-1271
#C7. Egidia/Maude de LACY
#D3. Egidia/Gille de BURGH
#D6. Walter de BURGH, Earl of Ulster c1230-1271
#D7. Aveline FitzJOHN (sister of Richard FitzJOHN) -1274
TIA,
Suzanne
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Richard Borthwick
>I have come across at least four different versions of the immediate
>maternal ancestry of Walter the Steward 1292-1326. Can anyone clarify,
>preferably with sources?
>
>Person #1 in all cases is Walter and #2 is his father James the
>Steward c1243-1309.
>
>#A3. Cecilia DUNBAR
>#A6. Patrick 'Black Beard', 7th Earl of Dunbar c1241-1308
>#A7. Marjory COMYN
>#A14. Alexander COMYN, 2nd Earl of Buchan -1289
>#A15. Elizabeth de QUINCEY -1328
>
>#B3. Cecilia DUNBAR
>#B6. Patrick 'Black Beard', 7th Earl of Dunbar c1241-1308
>#B7. Christina BRUCE
>#B14. Robert VI BRUCE, Lord of Annandale 1210-1295
>#B15. Christiana de IREBY -c1305 *or* Isabel de CLARE 1226-1254
>[I have seen doubts cast on a line thru Christina Bruce, but with no
>reasons given].
>
>#C3. Egidia/Gille de BURGH
>#C6. Walter de BURGH, Earl of Ulster c1230-1271
>#C7. Egidia/Maude de LACY
>
>#D3. Egidia/Gille de BURGH
>#D6. Walter de BURGH, Earl of Ulster c1230-1271
>#D7. Aveline FitzJOHN (sister of Richard FitzJOHN) -1274
>
a mistake in making Isabel fitz Geoffrey the wife of Walter de Burgh when D7
would seem to be correct. Geoffrey (according to CP) did not have a daughter
Isabel. He did have a granddaughter of that name (Aveline's sister) who
married Robert de Vipont. D7 accords with CP. Aveline was the dau. of John
fitz Geoffrey (d.1258) lord of Shere and Isabel le Bigod dau. of Hugh earl
of Norfolk [CP V:437-438].
Lady Valois
Alan FitzFlaald. Nephew of Alan the Red. Walter the 6th Stewart married
Marjorie Bruce. She was the daughter of "The Bruce". Walter the 6th also
fought with Bruce at Bannockburn. There's so many Walter's and James'.
Lady Valois
Suzanne Doig <sm...@csc.canterbury.ac.nz> wrote in article
<35bf1717...@news.canterbury.ac.nz>...
Todd A. Farmerie
>
> Walter FitzAlan the 1st stewart of Scotland (1124-53). His father was
> Alan FitzFlaald. Nephew of Alan the Red. Walter the 6th Stewart married
> Marjorie Bruce. She was the daughter of "The Bruce". Walter the 6th also
> fought with Bruce at Bannockburn. There's so many Walter's and James'.
> Lady Valois
Not sure I follow this exactly, but Walter Fitz Alan's mother was
Avelina de Hesdin. Neither he, not his father Alan Fitz Flaald can be
shown to have been nephew of Alan the Red (and such a connection would
be unlikely).
taf
Lady Valois
this means several of my history books are wrong. I would just like to have
another source to go by.
Thank you,
Lady Valois
Todd A. Farmerie <ta...@po.cwru.edu> wrote in article
<35C5F4...@po.cwru.edu>...
Todd A. Farmerie
Which history books would these be?
Addressing Walter Fitz Alan, the case is clear cut. We know who her
mother is, and her family is well characterized, so there was no
relationship in that direction.
The family of the Stewarts were stewards of Dol, which was a territory
on the northeast of Brittany. Alan the Red was a scion of the ruling
family of Brittany. The social distance between them alone makes one
doubt a connection. Alan the Red easily could have done much better for
a wife (I am sure this is known - perhaps someone could look it up for
us), while I seriously doubt Flaald Fitz Alan (Alan Fitz Flaald's
father) could do that well.
Before we go further, though, I need to know what we are talking about.
Exactly who is supposed to be the nephew of Alan the Red, and what is
the source for this statement.
taf