Book: Working-Class War

[Ralph McGehee]

[HOLLIS6475]

>From: Ralph McGehee

>
> This in fact is the reality of People's War, ignored by all
>those wishing to see the war as a battle between good and evil,

>Ralph McGehee

This is wishful thinking, Obvious you were not there...............

>he Americans were defeated not
>because they were met by

You may want to rethink that....... The Military was under control of a gov't
that was not interested in a victory (especially a military victory). IN
1969 The VC and NVA was defeated. Our gov't disregarded this, and allowed the
VC and NVA to regroup and re-ingage in the war.

( the anti-bating statement) I am not saying that the NLF were whimps, Even
the women had brass balls. They were committed. I would like to see that
spunk, loyalty, commentment, and vertibrae in our gov't.

[tail3]

Not in any way,shape or form was the Entire U.S.mil. able to put 50,000
combat troops
Make that troops in Combat at it's highest point.Who was to be a life
guard?
At a million dollar swim pool?Who was to empty the slot machines? Who was
to sell the things needed by troops, on the black market?There are those
kind
here now, if you are one, you cost lives, that is the kind that needs to
be hung by the
balls with piano wire.

[Bill Langston]

Nope Ralph, you are the one who is wrong. Just because it has been called 'A People's War', in no way detracts from the fact of the evils of Communism. Just because the villagers were either intimidated or duped into supporting the NLF does not mean they were right to do so. No Ralph, it is you that have been blinded by the light and refuse to admit Of course I could be wrong, after all I am a tool of the running dog lackey imperialist DIA. To please you I will admit that I believe the CIA is guilty of some big mistakes, how about you? Semper Fi, Bill Langston. Ralph McGehee <rmcg...@igc.org> wrote in message news:373EDC30...@igc.org... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > In his book, "Working-Class War: American Combat Soldiers > & Vietnam" Appy, in Chapter Five states: > "The United States was indeed outnumbered in Vietnam, but not by > troops so much as by political opposition of millions of ordinary > Vietnamese civilians. When American forces entered Vietnamese villages > in search of communist guerrillas, the Americans were defeated not > because they were met by overwhelming numbers of enemy forces armed > to the teeth. Rather they were defeated because they were met by > villagers who rarely supported their effort to root out the > guerrillas....But even the South Vietnamese government conceded > (in 1964) that 4 to 5 million people...supported the National > Liberation Front." > This in fact is the reality of People's War, ignored by all > those wishing to see the war as a battle between good and evil, > the good against the International Communist Conspiracy -- later > broken down to the good agaiunst Chinese expansionism, or Russian > hegemonism, or the "civil war," between the North and South. > The evidence is all there but many want to cling to the good > vs evil version of the war for their own ideological reasons or > simply because it is too hard or painful to admit the truth even > to themselves -- I certainly went through this pain and denial. > Some, of course, see it to their career or peace-of-mind advantage, > to deny this reality. > Ralph McGehee > http://come.to/CIABASE

[Abelard21]

>Who was to be a life

>guard?.... you cost lives, that is the kind that needs to

>be hung by the
>balls with piano wire.

Er, well, if said life guard were to have sneaked out to the boonies and joined
a line company, he probably would have just gotten article-15'd, so that
wouldn't work, really. I am just trying to get my mind around the idea that
guys with jobs not directly involved in combat are to be held to such a
standard as you suggest here. I mean, I feel a certain amount of projection is
going on. I do remember a swimming pool built at Qui Nhon for the 173rd
Support Battalion, by the engineers - it was surely only a couple grand - and
it had a plastic liner to hold the water. A boonie rat slashed it with a
bayonet and I never knew if it was repaired or not, but in the 173rd, at the
time, if there had been a life guard, it probably would have been an 11B who
extended his tour, so why the fuck not?

Marshall

[rmcg...@igc.org]

In article <19990516121002...@ng-ca1.aol.com>,
holli...@aol.comUSMC (HOLLIS6475) wrote:
> >From: Ralph McGehee
>

Please see my Web Site: http://come.to/CIABASE for details
of my tour in Vietnam with the CIA and with studies I performed
re "People's War" while still in the Agency. At the web site I also
discuss other experiences and studies re the same subject.

Ralph McGehee

> This in fact is the reality of People's War, ignored by all
> >those wishing to see the war as a battle between good and evil,
>

> >Ralph McGehee
>
> This is wishful thinking, Obvious you were not there...............
>

> >he Americans were defeated not
> >because they were met by
>

> You may want to rethink that....... The Military was under control of a gov't
> that was not interested in a victory (especially a military victory). IN
> 1969 The VC and NVA was defeated. Our gov't disregarded this, and allowed
the
> VC and NVA to regroup and re-ingage in the war.
>
> ( the anti-bating statement) I am not saying that the NLF were whimps, Even
> the women had brass balls. They were committed. I would like to see that
> spunk, loyalty, commentment, and vertibrae in our gov't.
>
>

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[tail3]

Did you ever not have the equipment needed, but saw it for sale at a local
market?
That is what i ment, it pissed me off to no end!
Sort of seening these war movies and 30 rd. clips.
A million men in country, you were never short of men ? Shure

Abelard21 <abel...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19990517034109...@ng21.aol.com>...

[Craig Thompson]

Or some fuck-up.
We had a buck sergeant who couldn't hack it in the field (coward).
They pulled him out and made him liaison NCO at Red Beach (Qui Nhon)

><19990517034109...@ng21.aol.com>...

[pat...@memes.com]

On Mon, 17 May 1999 13:37:14 -0700, "Craig Thompson"
<sdot...@olywa.net> wrote:

>Or some fuck-up.
>We had a buck sergeant who couldn't hack it in the field (coward).
>They pulled him out and made him liaison NCO at Red Beach (Qui Nhon)

Hell, that would have been one of our LP's and Cleared Hot in 65'. No
place to be at all. We lost a lot of people and equipment to mines in
that river that ran up from there. Can't remember the name of it.

[John Tegtmeier]

On 16 May 1999, HOLLIS6475 wrote:

> >From: Ralph McGehee
>
> >
> > This in fact is the reality of People's War, ignored by all
> >those wishing to see the war as a battle between good and evil,
>
> >Ralph McGehee
>
> This is wishful thinking, Obvious you were not there...............

Hollis

Ralph was there - CIA. Check "Deadly Deceits", his memoir. He does have a
particular take on the war that lots of folks don't agree with, but which
was held by some analyist like Sam Adams. Basically the same issue as the
CBS - Westmoreland dispute over the "uncounted enemy",

This theme is also carried by some academics, such as Marilyn Young.

At any rate, McGehee was there, Indeed, he even has an oral history
interview at the LBJ Library.

Regards,
John

[HOLLIS6475]

>From: John Tegtmeier

John,

Thaks for the information.

Hollis

[tail3]

The US was outnumbered in "Fighting Troops", the whole nine yards.
No if's ands or buts.